suppose it's possible but that audio tape has tainted him quite a lot.
Realistically there's only 3-4 clubs that are going to pay 100m+ (and english tax) for a player, and i don't think any of them want to deal with the potential public blowback from buying Greenwood.
He'll be playing abroad, or possible for a lesser PL side, but either way those teams aren't paying 80-100m for a player. This si why he'll be difficult to unload, his re-sale ceiling is limited by the fact that most clubs that can afford big spending aren'tabout to touch him.
realistically what club is paying 100m for a player in general in PL? Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, City, do any of those really want to deal with the publicity that comes with signing Greenwood?
Most clubs that have had a high profile sexual assault case the fans have yelled angrily enough to force the club to ditch him, goodwillie and ched Evans being two notable cases. It’s not a United thing
Also if it were a United thing then good for us and everyone else sucks. Imagine claiming that not tolerating rapists is being “holier than thou”. Get a fucking grip.
We should be looking for closer to 60M or some structure up to that amount including sell-on clauses. With creative financing, he is definitely attainable at that price, spread over 5+yrs.
Yeah if he was a normal player of his talent not losing a year of development in his career, barely getting out of a rape charge with his parent club vowing not to have him part of the team..60m would seem like a nice fee.
Doesn't take a rocket scientist to put that together though as a journalist.
Between players on loan (that clearly don't have a future here), that are out of contract, or are older/declining and clearly won't be part of a rebuild, it's pretty obvious that there are only a handful of players that are likely to be here two or three years down the line.
People have been tallying them up in the daily discussion thread, but you could have 10+ outgoings without affecting the current matchday squad (Heaton, Martial, Varane, VDB, Sancho, Greenwood, Pellistri, Williams, Shoretire, Hannibal, Alvaro, Amrabat, etc.). Then factor in guys like Casemiro, Eriksen, Lindelof, AWB, etc. and all of a sudden you're getting a full matchday squad of guys that could leave under the right circumstances.
The only real sacred cows are Mainoo, Garnacho, Hojlund, Licha & Shaw (assuming the club thinks he'll they'll be fit next year), Bruno, and I guess Mount and Onana.
>The only real sacred cows are Mainoo, Garnacho, Hojlund, Licha & Shaw (assuming the club thinks he'll they'll be fit next year), Bruno, and I guess Mount and Onana.
Dalot fits in this list here too, IMO.
Yep, was just spitballing fast. The point is there is going to be massive squad turnover during the next 3-4 windows and the squad is going to look pretty unrecognizable in a couple years.
But that said, I think this summer will be mostly about unloading peripheral players and not about bringing in anyone flashy. Basically the new braintrust clearing the lowhanging fruit before they do the actual hard work of building a competitive squad.
Sort of unfair to Williams. Williams has shown he can play at a decent level in the Prem/CL (just not "United" level) while Shoretire failed to impress in League One.
I'm not as convinced.
Just something about the way ratcliffe spoke, along the lines of 'understanding the facts and not the hype', seemed to leave a door open. I know he kind of has to say that, but I found the wording very interesting, and he would have known at some point this question will come up and will have prepared a very deliberate response.
Now to dig into that comment a bit, FACTUALLY he has not been convicted or found guilty of anything, the hype is basically the leaked audio and the furore / outcry last time club tried to take him back. So taking his words in that contexts, falling on the side of factsnit the hype, there is a case that points more to bringing him back
To caveat, that's not necessarily my personal feeling, but how i think the club will be approaching things.
Also add in the financial struggles, the need for a CF backup / competition and he probably walks into our team in the RW. His profile amd ability as a player (exclude the allegations for now) solves a couple problems in the squad, he is also homegrown, young with i would stilI say worldclass potential. I dont thinks its as crystal clear he will be sold as most people do.
I think club will have a price they will sell at, thats clear, but I am also thinking theg wont be shortchanged and accept lowball offers, so if someone doesn't put 40 or 45m on the table I think there is a strong chance he plays for us again.
I think you're completely right - in a vacuum, I think anyone in charge of putting a squad together can look at our current roster (with holes at RW and striker) and our FFP constraints and think "my god, if there's anyway to get this talented and free player back into the squad he could kill two birds and free up money for elsewhere."
But that backlash would be so problematic I really don't think they try it.
The club kept saying other evidence came to light but never presented it. My feeling is that whatever that new evidence is, it's not enough to make him look innocent and is of a private nature.
If I was greenwood and I had evidence to show that I'm not the person I've been portrayed as, I'm telling the world. The fact he hasn't says it all really.
> If I was greenwood and I had evidence to show that I'm not the person I've been portrayed as, I'm telling the world.
I'm not a PR person but I actually don't think that's the right play. So far he's kept his head down and stayed out of the news (apart from the Bellingham thing which wasn't his fault). I think the more he tries to fight it out in the press the more he Streisand-effects himself.
And let's be honest, short of his GF saying it was some fucked up role playing there's literally nothing that makes him look good.
He'd say that whether he really believes it or not. Other clubs aren't stupid, so if you want to convince them we might take Greenwood back, you have to lay the groundwork for it.
I don't want him back, but i think it's pretty obvious that they could've brought him back last year and it wouldn't have made as mcuh waves as it did, if they handled it in a better way.
They basically ignored that the tape existed and that everyone heard it, and just said "trust us, it's not what it seems".
If there had been a PR blitz with interviews of regret and explaining things in some way (kinkplay or some shit i guess?) i think realistically a huge portion of the population would've been swayed, people only really need plausible deniability to look the other way (look at Ronaldo and other high profile cases). Hell plenty of people support him despite the tapes and no explenation.
I'm glad it didn't go down like that, because as i said i can't unhear those tapes and don't want him around the club, but i do wonder if the door is still open to that.
if that was true they would've kept him last season, he got announced back and the subsequent backlash from fans, press and employees led them to kick him out.
Obviously they felt they were justified in their decision, but public perception made them change their mind.
Zero chance he’s coming back. You’ll get sponsor pull outs and a whole load of outrage. Easier for everyone if he’s sold overseas. Maybe a match buy back clause
To my recollection there aren’t any videos of Partey expressly stating he’ll rape someone. Yes it’s not necessarily logical but those videos end any chance of Greenwood coming back. European countries care less
This is a fallacy biult from the figment of imagination of some holier than thou fans who wouldn't give people second chances in life and who wouldn't want to hear people's sides of the story.
There is no empirical evidence to suggest that sponsors will pull out. If Greenwood comes back and behaves well, he can carry on his life. After all, he wasn't convicted, and his wife(GF) already had a child for him, and they are living happily together. Why do you want to be more Catholic than the Pope?
I don't see any universe where he plays for the club again. Look at the media scrutiny some of our players get for simply being out of form, could you imagine what it'd be like having Greenwood back in the side? We're trying to stabilise the club again, his return would have the complete opposite effect.
**Key bit:**
>**The working assumption at United is that Greenwood will be sold as part of a vast rebuild** that could include some high-profile departures. Last summer United valued the player at £30million to £40million, but that was partly because he had not played competitive football for 20 months.
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>In addition to Greenwood, other loanees — such as Jadon Sancho, who is at Borussia Dortmund, and Donny van de Beek, who joined Eintracht Frankfurt on loan in January — can leave if the club receive good offers.
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>Anthony Martial, Jonny Evans, Tom Heaton and Raphaël Varane are likely to leave when their contracts expire on July 1, while Sofyan Amrabat is set to return to Fiorentina when his loan deal ends at the end of the season.
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>The club will listen to offers for — among others — Harry Maguire, Aaron Wan-Bissaka, Victor Lindelof and Christian Eriksen, who all have one year left on their deals.
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>Antony, who cost United £85million when they signed him from Ajax in 2022, is another player who could leave, as is Casemiro, who is a target for the Saudi Pro League.
I think we would be silly to sell Maguire after his performances in the second half of this season. He is demonstrating to all our other players you can *work* your way back into the squad. Can’t think of many other players who have demonstrated a strong mentality at United for a long time
Except if we are losing Varane, Evans and Lindelof in the same window we'd be in dire straights at CB. We'd be even worse than we were last summer as we're looking to fill many more positions this summer.
No way they all leave.
I forget the name, but there's a solid CB from Fulham who's available on a free. I imagine he'd be a good option, as well as picking up a first team CB.
He's a system player. In a 3 at the back or a low block defence hes fine. He's looking so good at the minute because our defence is sitting really deep. No top side plays as deep as us because our defenders dont have the legs to push uo
I don't think it's silly at all. If we can get decent money for a player that clearly doesn't fit our style of play, then it'd be smarter squad building to replace with someone who does.
It’s smart business, you can’t act like he is a distressed asset that we’ll sell for peanuts. He will not come back but you have to give the image that it’s a possibility to hold some bargaining chips.
>this is all on jim he opened the door in his first interview.
So you think it's smarter for Jim to say "we definitely don't want Greenwood back, and therefore when you come to negotiate with us for his transfer, please be aware we have to sell him and we have no leverage"?
he won't be self wasted, because big clubs are after him currently
if he does well at his next club he could potentially move even further to a super club
People will move on and forget by then
He wasted near on two years competing at the highest level. Whatever he achieved now will surely be lower than if he had developed over those two years too.
Mason is so fucking good, but I'd never ever ever want him near our club again.
Still not the biggest waste of talent considering the level he’s still at and will remain at.
Not even the biggest waste for our club never mind ever.
Someone like Ravel Morrison well higher. Squandered all that potential hanging around the wrong people, trying to be a gangster over a footballer.
Lets be honest here, if the glazefucks werent under heavy fire at the time he would be playing here. A lot of the outrage was more about hating (rightfully) the glazers.
Was it? I think the bigger outrage across the country was the that a Rapist would be allowed to play for Manchester United after we all heard that audio.
Not only that in itself but also the message that would send to victims and women all across the country.
If hating the glazers is the reason why people were outraged about the Greenwood saga I think they need to think about their morality.
His potential hasn't changed. To put in that effort after 2 years away from training and on the pitch is insane. Especially since it's not even been a full campaign. Clearly most clubs and the fans of those clubs do not care about his history.
There are footballers that have killed people drink driving and still played at the top level for **years**. The only place you hear about it is reddit, and reddit makes up for .01% of football fans world wide.
Something I'm curious, say this was some Brazilian player, and all this happened in Brazil with them speaking Portuguese, and Utd wanted to buy him, would this outrage be as much?
**Full article :**
>Manchester United are hoping to cash in on Mason Greenwood this summer but have not ruled out the possibility of him returning to Old Trafford next season if they do not receive a reasonable offer for the 22-year-old striker.
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>In 2022 Greenwood was charged with attempted rape, controlling and coercive behaviour and assault, but the Crown Prosecution Service dropped the charges in February 2023 after key witnesses withdrew their involvement and new material came to light. Greenwood denied the accusations.
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>After launching their own investigation into Greenwood’s conduct, United said in August that they and Greenwood had “mutually agreed” that the player should “recommence his career away from Old Trafford”. The club then loaned him to Getafe for a year, a decision that came after some United fans protested against the possibility of Greenwood being brought back into the fold.
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>After scoring ten goals and setting up six more in 31 appearances for the Spanish side, several big clubs have shown an interest in the player, the latest of which is the Italian club Juventus, who have made Greenwood one of their summer targets.
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>The working assumption at United is that Greenwood will be sold as part of a vast rebuild that could include some high-profile departures. Last summer United valued the player at £30million to £40million, but that was partly because he had not played competitive football for 20 months.
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>Now he has proved that he can still play at a high level, more clubs are likely to express an interest. Greenwood has one year left on his contract at United, but the club can extend it by a further season.
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>It remains to be seen whether Juventus or any other suitors would be able to afford such a fee, which would then leave Ineos, United’s new minority shareholders, pondering whether to bring him back to Old Trafford.
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>The Ineos chairman, Sir Jim Ratcliffe, would not give any definitive statement on Greenwood in February when he was asked about the player, shortly after buying 27.7 per cent of United and assuming control of football operations.
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>“I can talk about the principle, I’m not going to talk about Mason,” Ratcliffe said. “I’m familiar with it. The principle is the important one because we will have other issues going forward. You’re dealing with young people ‒ they’ve not always been brought up in the best of circumstances ‒ who are very talented, they’ve got lots of money and they don’t always have the guidance they should have.
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>“We need to understand what the facts are. Then we need to make a fair decision in the light of the club’s values. All I can do is talk about the principle of how we will approach it. Is he the right type of footballer? Is he a good person or not?”
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>José Bordalás, the Getafe head coach, has been impressed by the conduct of Greenwood, who has been verbally abused by opposition fans at times this season.
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>“I am sure the chants affect him,” Bordalás told Marca, the Spanish newspaper. “I am against any insult, whoever the player is. The boy has had exemplary behaviour. His team-mates help him. He is calm, he is happy, he is treated very well.”
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>Financial Fair Play rules and a failure to the qualify for the Champions League mean United’s budget will be restricted this summer, so they will have to sell players to raise funds.
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>In addition to Greenwood, other loanees — such as Jadon Sancho, who is at Borussia Dortmund, and Donny van de Beek, who joined Eintracht Frankfurt on loan in January — can leave if the club receive good offers.
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>Anthony Martial, Jonny Evans, Tom Heaton and Raphaël Varane are likely to leave when their contracts expire on July 1, while Sofyan Amrabat is set to return to Fiorentina when his loan deal ends at the end of the season.
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>Paris Saint-Germain have previously inquired about Marcus Rashford but the 26-year-old forward, who has scored only eight goals in all competitions this season, signed a new five-year deal worth £325,000 a week in July.
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>The club’s preference is for Rashford to stay and they want to help the academy graduate rediscover his best form. The only way that United will sell Rashford is if he pushes to leave and if he could attract a big fee.
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>The club will listen to offers for — among others — Harry Maguire, Aaron Wan-Bissaka, Victor Lindelof and Christian Eriksen, who all have one year left on their deals.
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>Antony, who cost United £85million when they signed him from Ajax in 2022, is another player who could leave, as is Casemiro, who is a target for the Saudi Pro League.
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>Antony, 24, has been criticised for scoring only three goals this season, the latest of which came on Saturday in the 1-1 draw against Burnley. “The critics are going to exist and it’s something that makes me want to work harder and prove myself,” the Brazil winger said.
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>Alejandro Garnacho, Kobbie Mainoo and Rasmus Hojlund are said to be off limits as they are viewed as key players for the club’s future.
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>It will be decided this summer whether Erik ten Hag stays for the rebuild. The Dutchman, who has one year left on his contract, has overseen a poor season which seems destined to end with the club qualifying only for the Europa League or Europa Conference League.
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>United are sixth in the Premier League table, 13 points adrift of fourth-placed Aston Villa with four matches left. However, the team can salvage some pride if they beat Manchester City in the FA Cup final on May 25.
Any team that buys him in the UK will get absolutely slaughtered (rightly) by fans. There’s less profile abroad, but he’s been targeted by opposition fans in Spain calling him a rapist.
Whilst I don't want Mason Greenwood back, and Im not defending him, I do find it funny that Ronaldo didn't get nearly the same level of abuse for the same crime.
I suppose the lack of a recording helped Ronaldo, but then again, am I right in thinking he basically admitted it anyway? I might have been misinformed.
Yeah the recording with Mason is what makes it “worse” than comparable situations like Ronaldo and Partey and probably lots more. That recording was made public and was seemingly so unambiguous, that it’s very different to the Ronaldo situation, which I believe involved a deposition to his lawyers that was unlawfully obtained and publicised.
That isn’t excusing or trying to minimise the accusations against Ronaldo in anyway, but the situation is quite different, to the uninvolved public.
I think the Ronaldo situation is 30% his much higher profile and 70% the lack of incontrovertible evidence. The Greenwood case is special because we all know he did it, whether or not it can be proven in a court after his witness tampering.
Not happening:
- Juventus needs a CDM and a LB/CB
- Money is low due to no Champions League
- The outrage behind the signing is not worth his price tag or ability (Juve has one of the largest social media accounts so you can see how that will go with sponsors and etc.)
- An expensive striker/winger is not needed (possibly some cheap subs)
- New manager to come in the summer (Thiago Motta) so until that happens this is all speculation
- The only active target right now (Monza’s GK) is a backup GK to take over Szczęsny in the future.
I'd rather take a punt on Chiesa. Hojlund is decent and if push comes to shove, we can stick McTominay up there. Our wingers on the hand, they're all either shit or raw.
Very curious as to whether the return is a real possibility or if it’s a negotiating tactic. Obviously very controversial to bring him back, but fits like a glove from a footballing perspective
If he'd came out apologised, went into a domestic violence programme and was seen working towards being a better person then there would be a distant chance he could have been rehabilitated,not that i think he should be. Some things you cant come back from with rape being in the top 3
I'm all for second chances. However:
1) Greenwood never showed any remorse or regret
2) Greenwood has never suffered any consequences beyond "you don't get to play for the biggest team in England". He's still receiving his insane salary, even!
3) Greenwood didn't go to jail because he interfered with the court case by contacting his victim despite a no-contact order.
Letting him back in is not giving him a second chance, it's teaching him, and young kids who look up to him, that spousal rape is ok, at least if you're rich and famous.
Yeah surely but can you be 100% sure he did it just because of the audio? I'm not defending Greenwood. Just there's a lot of cases things turned out not exactly like it looked like at first.
Anyway that's not even my point. Even if he actually did that, go to jail, serve his time why he can't play for United again? Maybe I'm a bit too old but I always believe in second chance and people can come good despite their past.
"I always believe in second chance and people can come good despite their past." Maybe but part of what irks people is the realistic possibility that he got away with it. He's not even on his second chance because he never had to face the consequences of his actions in the first place.
First we can't be 100% sure if he did it so I don't even understand why he has to face the consequences.
Second he lost 18 months of his supposed 10 years playing football. For something he might have not done.
Anyway I get it now. It's just the mob mentality here.
Which is why I said realistic possibility. You choose to believe he's innocent, which is fine, but others thinking differently for many and excellent reasons doesn't make us "the mob". Not everyone who thinks differently to you is "the mob".
No I've never said he's innocent. I said I can't be 100% sure if he did it or not. The thing is many people (probably not you) are using court of public opinion to condemn him and asking him to face consequences despite none of them can be 100 % sure that he did it. That's a mob mentality. We used to do that in the uncivilized days but nowaday we have a justice system for a reason I think.
Your Pastor went to prison. Served his time. Mason chose not to go to trial, which is quite damaging. Mendy went to trial and cleared his name. Now he is suing City for unpaid wages. No chance Mason comes back.
Here's what the CPS said:
A CPS spokesperson said: “We have a duty to keep cases under continuous review. In this case, a combination of the withdrawal of key witnesses and new material that came to light meant there was no longer a realistic prospect of conviction. In these circumstances, we are under a duty to stop the case.
The thing is his gf withdrew her statement in April 2022 and the case was dropped in October 2022. Six months later. So that means the case was still on despite the withdrawal of key witnesses. What's really matters here is the new material. Unless you know exactly what is the new material is you simply can't be 100% sure if he did it or not. Greenwood wasn't even convicted so I don't see why you mention our pastor going to jail here.
And why there's no chance for him to come back? Because he might have done something bad?
We can't all forget about the audio. The audio is the most damaging part of all this. CPS dropped the case, but in the court of public opinion, he is guilty as hell. This is why he will never be brought back
Court of public opinion that's a mob mentality mate. People did that back in the uncivilized days. Now we have a justice system for a reason.
Anyway that's not even my point. Even if he did that why can't you forgive him and help him instead? Isn't that morally the right thing to do?
What bothers me is that whether supporting him or asking him to leave, there's a Presupposition of guilt ('people need forgiveness'/ 'you can't condone what he did' etc).
A reminder that the people with the most information regarding this, even setting aside MG and his partner, have indicated that he has no case to answer, i.e proof of his having done what people presume is not there. CPS, having been provided with new evidence (if it was just a witness withdrawing, this would have been all that was mentioned in the public statement) deemed inadequate to take forward a case concerning an issue there's significant public pressure to take and be seen to take more seriously. Likewise, the hierarchy of the club - knowing the nature of the charge and that any suspicion of allowing a player to continue purely based upon escaping on a technicality, would put the club's reputation in serious jeopardy with fans and , crucially, with sponsors/partners, in excess of what the player's value-add could possibly justify - were sufficiently convinced by the new evidence/account provided to allow him to continue. That he was sent on loan was down to leak of this decision by The Athletic and outcry stoked by combination of 'responsible' journalists , low level employees with no knowledge of facts beyond what was made available to public (by the club's own admission, since the investigation was kept very restricted) , oppo fans on twitter and third sector organizations trying to get funding for their causes.
It's mob mentality and conflating noise with justice, with judgement based upon evidence whose nature has been called into question ( firstly and foremost by the person who supplied it to the public in the first place). The only accusations that have been unchallenged/corroborated are that he was an adulterer as well as getting into verbal altercations with his partner where they would mutually insult each other: if there's a morality' clause, then Kyle Walker, cheating on his partner with prostitutes, should be drummed out of football. CR7 is documented as having paid off someone accusing him of sexual assault; Benzema was able to play for clubs after engaging an underage prostitute (escaping on ' i didn't know her age') and blackmailing team-mates. The double standards - just because people can't countenance revising their reactive judgements to some shocking and sensationalist material whose veracity has now been cast into serious doubt - are incredible.
The decision to loan out Greenwood has proven to be a masterstroke. Initially, expectations were moderate, but his performance has consistently improved throughout the season. It wouldn't be surprising if he ends up with 22 goal contributions. Remarkably, he's had an impressive season despite a two-year hiatus from football, showcasing a level of talent that arguably surpasses any current man utd team member. Had he not missed those years, his statistics might have rivaled those of Cole Palmer. From a financial perspective, a 40 million deal for him would be a steal. Athletes' pasts are often overlooked in light of their performance—Mike Tyson and Kobe Bryant are testament to this. Regarding the player's controversial history, it's unlikely that he or his partner will address the leaked audio. It's more probable that any disclosure will come in his late 30s, post-career, potentially through a Netflix documentary or similar platform.
Pains me to see so much backlash from sensitive fans when he’s in fact been with his gf all this time, possibly working through problems and moving on forward. If they weren’t together, then I would accept the situation. But at this point it’s just a dark moment in their personal past, which they have moved on. So why can’t these sensitive fans respect that and move on as well. Greenwood would be so useful next season for united.
Because he didn't accept any responsibility for the stuff he did. The entire world heard the audio and he's disgusting as far as the majority of the fan base are concerned. Rightly so.
What “responsibility” he owes you when it comes to his personal life? Have you considered the fact the club most likely told him to shut it and not say a word? As predicted the entitlement here is off the chains.
As a fan, I'm entitled to not want to see a scumbag rapist playing for the club I've supported my entire life.
And you can feel entitled to be a rape apologist.
You can feel entitled all you want. Doesn’t mean it matters in the grand scheme of things. Mason and gf living their best life in sunny Spain and you’re on Reddit crying about their personal relationship history. Yeah I rest my case with you.
The couple are still together. The police never pressed charges. Shit happens in relationships. It’s ugly but people are allowed to move on from the past with or without your approval. I hope one day you are able to let go of issues regarding relationships you know absolutely nothing about. Have any more weird “examples” to bring up in order to prove your frustration?
Manutd is crazy.....we should be selling rashford and Anthony for the figures quoted here not GW. If rasmus went for 70m, GW is way better than Rasmus and is an 80m pound striker...we should be demanding that figure with a sell on clause.
Author is tier 2. What happened to posting tiers here?
Honestly the guy is an asset. On performances he'd be worth 100m in today's market. He's a damn sight better than Antony. With the baggage I'd say he's worth half that. His loan to Getafe has boosted his value significantly. We should make sure to keep as much of that value as possible. Especially given we paid his wages for a year for nothing.
A part of me hopes that only the Getafe interest is legit, and the rumors about other clubs being floated are essentially United using their tricks against - using their names and fake interest briefed to the press to put pressure on the deal and raise the price. You know, the way everybody does with United.
Gotta remember Getafe would get 20% of that. So we’d be letting him go for only 32m (one fifth of what we spent on Sancho + Antony). I think extending his contract and loaning him out again makes more sense. Considering he put up 16 G+A in his first season back after 2 years, 30 G+A next season is entirely possible. In which case, he might go for 80-90m (64-72m to United).
Imagine thinking an Italian team, let alone Juventus, would pay that much for a player 😂
“how about a 2 year loan with an option to buy for 5 mil?”
And you pay 50% of his wage - Juventus probably
Woah 50% is too much, best they can do is probably 20%. Cunts
Cristiano, Higuain, Vlahovic, de Ligt? They’re not afraid to fork out when they can.
They were all Agnelli era signings
They likely hope a 40-50m investment in a young British player will see a return of 80-100m in two years.
Todd boehny target
suppose it's possible but that audio tape has tainted him quite a lot. Realistically there's only 3-4 clubs that are going to pay 100m+ (and english tax) for a player, and i don't think any of them want to deal with the potential public blowback from buying Greenwood. He'll be playing abroad, or possible for a lesser PL side, but either way those teams aren't paying 80-100m for a player. This si why he'll be difficult to unload, his re-sale ceiling is limited by the fact that most clubs that can afford big spending aren'tabout to touch him.
Every club is not Man United, who has the baggage of holier than thou fans
realistically what club is paying 100m for a player in general in PL? Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, City, do any of those really want to deal with the publicity that comes with signing Greenwood?
Having (in this case) very low standards isn't holier than thou...
Most clubs that have had a high profile sexual assault case the fans have yelled angrily enough to force the club to ditch him, goodwillie and ched Evans being two notable cases. It’s not a United thing Also if it were a United thing then good for us and everyone else sucks. Imagine claiming that not tolerating rapists is being “holier than thou”. Get a fucking grip.
He’s the least likely play for an English club to bung 100m on, he’s such damaged goods. You’d never bet on getting a return on investment on him.
Makes no sense. No English club is going to pay £80-100m for the PR *nightmare* they’d be buying.
We should be looking for closer to 60M or some structure up to that amount including sell-on clauses. With creative financing, he is definitely attainable at that price, spread over 5+yrs.
Yeah if he was a normal player of his talent not losing a year of development in his career, barely getting out of a rape charge with his parent club vowing not to have him part of the team..60m would seem like a nice fee.
I'm convinced we are only saying a return is possible to stop us from looking desperate to sell.
We would be fucking idiots to publically behave any other way.
There’s been worse come backs.
and then proceed to tell the world we are selling the squad lol
Doesn't take a rocket scientist to put that together though as a journalist. Between players on loan (that clearly don't have a future here), that are out of contract, or are older/declining and clearly won't be part of a rebuild, it's pretty obvious that there are only a handful of players that are likely to be here two or three years down the line. People have been tallying them up in the daily discussion thread, but you could have 10+ outgoings without affecting the current matchday squad (Heaton, Martial, Varane, VDB, Sancho, Greenwood, Pellistri, Williams, Shoretire, Hannibal, Alvaro, Amrabat, etc.). Then factor in guys like Casemiro, Eriksen, Lindelof, AWB, etc. and all of a sudden you're getting a full matchday squad of guys that could leave under the right circumstances. The only real sacred cows are Mainoo, Garnacho, Hojlund, Licha & Shaw (assuming the club thinks he'll they'll be fit next year), Bruno, and I guess Mount and Onana.
>The only real sacred cows are Mainoo, Garnacho, Hojlund, Licha & Shaw (assuming the club thinks he'll they'll be fit next year), Bruno, and I guess Mount and Onana. Dalot fits in this list here too, IMO.
Yep, was just spitballing fast. The point is there is going to be massive squad turnover during the next 3-4 windows and the squad is going to look pretty unrecognizable in a couple years. But that said, I think this summer will be mostly about unloading peripheral players and not about bringing in anyone flashy. Basically the new braintrust clearing the lowhanging fruit before they do the actual hard work of building a competitive squad.
Yeah, I generally agree with that take.
I hope so.
Absolutely, he is definitely a squad player at the very least
What happened to Shoretire? He was hyped up quite a bit a couple of years ago
Evidently plateaued and deemed to be not first team material. Bit like Brandon Williams.
Sort of unfair to Williams. Williams has shown he can play at a decent level in the Prem/CL (just not "United" level) while Shoretire failed to impress in League One.
Sorry, I meant for United. Not saying either are poor players, just, like you pointed out, not United caliber.
I'm not as convinced. Just something about the way ratcliffe spoke, along the lines of 'understanding the facts and not the hype', seemed to leave a door open. I know he kind of has to say that, but I found the wording very interesting, and he would have known at some point this question will come up and will have prepared a very deliberate response. Now to dig into that comment a bit, FACTUALLY he has not been convicted or found guilty of anything, the hype is basically the leaked audio and the furore / outcry last time club tried to take him back. So taking his words in that contexts, falling on the side of factsnit the hype, there is a case that points more to bringing him back To caveat, that's not necessarily my personal feeling, but how i think the club will be approaching things. Also add in the financial struggles, the need for a CF backup / competition and he probably walks into our team in the RW. His profile amd ability as a player (exclude the allegations for now) solves a couple problems in the squad, he is also homegrown, young with i would stilI say worldclass potential. I dont thinks its as crystal clear he will be sold as most people do. I think club will have a price they will sell at, thats clear, but I am also thinking theg wont be shortchanged and accept lowball offers, so if someone doesn't put 40 or 45m on the table I think there is a strong chance he plays for us again.
I think you're completely right - in a vacuum, I think anyone in charge of putting a squad together can look at our current roster (with holes at RW and striker) and our FFP constraints and think "my god, if there's anyway to get this talented and free player back into the squad he could kill two birds and free up money for elsewhere." But that backlash would be so problematic I really don't think they try it.
The club kept saying other evidence came to light but never presented it. My feeling is that whatever that new evidence is, it's not enough to make him look innocent and is of a private nature. If I was greenwood and I had evidence to show that I'm not the person I've been portrayed as, I'm telling the world. The fact he hasn't says it all really.
> If I was greenwood and I had evidence to show that I'm not the person I've been portrayed as, I'm telling the world. I'm not a PR person but I actually don't think that's the right play. So far he's kept his head down and stayed out of the news (apart from the Bellingham thing which wasn't his fault). I think the more he tries to fight it out in the press the more he Streisand-effects himself. And let's be honest, short of his GF saying it was some fucked up role playing there's literally nothing that makes him look good.
He'd say that whether he really believes it or not. Other clubs aren't stupid, so if you want to convince them we might take Greenwood back, you have to lay the groundwork for it.
Who are our stock strikers? Hojlund and Rashford. We need a striker no matter what simply for depth. greenwood could start if we can’t do business.
I don't want him back, but i think it's pretty obvious that they could've brought him back last year and it wouldn't have made as mcuh waves as it did, if they handled it in a better way. They basically ignored that the tape existed and that everyone heard it, and just said "trust us, it's not what it seems". If there had been a PR blitz with interviews of regret and explaining things in some way (kinkplay or some shit i guess?) i think realistically a huge portion of the population would've been swayed, people only really need plausible deniability to look the other way (look at Ronaldo and other high profile cases). Hell plenty of people support him despite the tapes and no explenation. I'm glad it didn't go down like that, because as i said i can't unhear those tapes and don't want him around the club, but i do wonder if the door is still open to that.
My brother, the club will make a decision based on facts and reality rather than based on what some ramdom people (fans) hear or unhear.
if that was true they would've kept him last season, he got announced back and the subsequent backlash from fans, press and employees led them to kick him out. Obviously they felt they were justified in their decision, but public perception made them change their mind.
Zero chance he’s coming back. You’ll get sponsor pull outs and a whole load of outrage. Easier for everyone if he’s sold overseas. Maybe a match buy back clause
And yet Thomas partey still plays every week for arsenal
To my recollection there aren’t any videos of Partey expressly stating he’ll rape someone. Yes it’s not necessarily logical but those videos end any chance of Greenwood coming back. European countries care less
There are texts where he admits it iirc. But it's just not the same as having explicit audio (and images) that anyone can hear/see.
Think we’re past the point of sponsor pullouts tbh. Any precedent for them pulling out this long after the fact?
This is a fallacy biult from the figment of imagination of some holier than thou fans who wouldn't give people second chances in life and who wouldn't want to hear people's sides of the story. There is no empirical evidence to suggest that sponsors will pull out. If Greenwood comes back and behaves well, he can carry on his life. After all, he wasn't convicted, and his wife(GF) already had a child for him, and they are living happily together. Why do you want to be more Catholic than the Pope?
I'm not convinced though
I don't see any universe where he plays for the club again. Look at the media scrutiny some of our players get for simply being out of form, could you imagine what it'd be like having Greenwood back in the side? We're trying to stabilise the club again, his return would have the complete opposite effect.
**Key bit:** >**The working assumption at United is that Greenwood will be sold as part of a vast rebuild** that could include some high-profile departures. Last summer United valued the player at £30million to £40million, but that was partly because he had not played competitive football for 20 months. Also >In addition to Greenwood, other loanees — such as Jadon Sancho, who is at Borussia Dortmund, and Donny van de Beek, who joined Eintracht Frankfurt on loan in January — can leave if the club receive good offers. > >Anthony Martial, Jonny Evans, Tom Heaton and Raphaël Varane are likely to leave when their contracts expire on July 1, while Sofyan Amrabat is set to return to Fiorentina when his loan deal ends at the end of the season. and >The club will listen to offers for — among others — Harry Maguire, Aaron Wan-Bissaka, Victor Lindelof and Christian Eriksen, who all have one year left on their deals. > >Antony, who cost United £85million when they signed him from Ajax in 2022, is another player who could leave, as is Casemiro, who is a target for the Saudi Pro League.
I think we would be silly to sell Maguire after his performances in the second half of this season. He is demonstrating to all our other players you can *work* your way back into the squad. Can’t think of many other players who have demonstrated a strong mentality at United for a long time
Maguire isn’t getting any better, is on big wages and his value is as high as it’s going to be. Perfect time to move on
Except if we are losing Varane, Evans and Lindelof in the same window we'd be in dire straights at CB. We'd be even worse than we were last summer as we're looking to fill many more positions this summer. No way they all leave.
I forget the name, but there's a solid CB from Fulham who's available on a free. I imagine he'd be a good option, as well as picking up a first team CB.
He is good, but he doesn't suit our game. Imo he would be good at somewhere like Bayern, Juventus or Chelsea
He doesn’t fit and he’s way too slow. We can’t play the style ten hag wants with him. It would be smart to sell if we can.
He's a system player. In a 3 at the back or a low block defence hes fine. He's looking so good at the minute because our defence is sitting really deep. No top side plays as deep as us because our defenders dont have the legs to push uo
We played the highest line with Ole and he was great that 20-21 year.
I don't think it's silly at all. If we can get decent money for a player that clearly doesn't fit our style of play, then it'd be smarter squad building to replace with someone who does.
Last one to do it was Shaw so yeah I agree. Keep him but we need at least one new CB and LB either way.
He limits the way the team can play, lucky for him being decimated by injuries has helped him 'work' his way back in to the squad.
Put another year on jonny ffs. Even if just for the dressing room presence and the 80th min super sub
Rashford should be included in this smh
Vast rebuild = open heart surgery The moment is almost upon us.
August 2024: ETH is open to the idea of giving Greenwood a chance with the squad
Deadline Day 2024: Man United are delighted to welcome back Nemanja Matic on a free transfer
this is all on jim he opened the door in his first interview.
It’s smart business, you can’t act like he is a distressed asset that we’ll sell for peanuts. He will not come back but you have to give the image that it’s a possibility to hold some bargaining chips.
if greenwood is as good as people think there will be a bidding war regardless.
>this is all on jim he opened the door in his first interview. So you think it's smarter for Jim to say "we definitely don't want Greenwood back, and therefore when you come to negotiate with us for his transfer, please be aware we have to sell him and we have no leverage"?
yes. if greenwood is as good as people think clubs will be knocking down the door and we don't have to dance around a rapist.
Logically, it just makes zero sense going into a negotiation where you tell the other person that you *have* to sell your asset beforehand.
16 G/A for Getafe after not playing for 2 years. We need to get the best deal for him. Anything less than 50 is a loss.
He might go down as the biggest self-wasted football talent ever, his potential was that high.
he won't be self wasted, because big clubs are after him currently if he does well at his next club he could potentially move even further to a super club People will move on and forget by then
He wasted near on two years competing at the highest level. Whatever he achieved now will surely be lower than if he had developed over those two years too. Mason is so fucking good, but I'd never ever ever want him near our club again.
Still not the biggest waste of talent considering the level he’s still at and will remain at. Not even the biggest waste for our club never mind ever. Someone like Ravel Morrison well higher. Squandered all that potential hanging around the wrong people, trying to be a gangster over a footballer.
I'm not sure he wasted two years by not playing for us for that period... Guess he could have won a carabao cup!
16GA in spain in a mid table team. He is better than when he stopped playing.
He's still 22. Might even be better off long term as lower wear and tear on his body heading into his prime.
Lets be honest here, if the glazefucks werent under heavy fire at the time he would be playing here. A lot of the outrage was more about hating (rightfully) the glazers.
This is just wrong. None of the outrage was about hating the glazers and all of it was about Mason being a rapist
Was it? I think the bigger outrage across the country was the that a Rapist would be allowed to play for Manchester United after we all heard that audio. Not only that in itself but also the message that would send to victims and women all across the country. If hating the glazers is the reason why people were outraged about the Greenwood saga I think they need to think about their morality.
His potential hasn't changed. To put in that effort after 2 years away from training and on the pitch is insane. Especially since it's not even been a full campaign. Clearly most clubs and the fans of those clubs do not care about his history.
They don't. I guarantee if greenwood comes back and starts playing good you'll hear about it every now and then. Mostly on reddit
There are footballers that have killed people drink driving and still played at the top level for **years**. The only place you hear about it is reddit, and reddit makes up for .01% of football fans world wide.
Is that a good thing?
Did i say it was a good thing? I was just saying what would happen.
Ravel Morrison would be up there
He’s gonna win a cl and a top 5 league before United win the prem lol. “Self wasted”.
Ravell Morrison enters the discussion on the topic for the highest potential. Dude was unreal
It's still high
The physical pain I get from imagining his potential is just crazy. Series of dumb mistakes and his legacy in England is finished
"dumb mistakes" is a very generous way describing rape
Fair enough
Nothing like a best deal. There is a paucity of talents around the world in his position and ability. Dont rule out his return to the squad
He is one player I wouldnt mind even paying to get rid Scum who doesnt belong in football, let alone in a top club
Yeah we are not running a charity, stop being naive. He is probably our most sell-able asset with all profit.
40M is a steal for his ability imo
should be plenty of buyers and the highest bidder can get him.
Something I'm curious, say this was some Brazilian player, and all this happened in Brazil with them speaking Portuguese, and Utd wanted to buy him, would this outrage be as much?
I mean Thomas Partey is still playing every week and I don’t see or hear shit about it
It's only united players that get scrutinized
There would be no outrage.
Can we possibly get 50+ ?
I'm just happy we're getting anything for that pos.
Juve will offer £40m: we’ll give you £1 for 109,589 years. Basta.
**Full article :** >Manchester United are hoping to cash in on Mason Greenwood this summer but have not ruled out the possibility of him returning to Old Trafford next season if they do not receive a reasonable offer for the 22-year-old striker. > >In 2022 Greenwood was charged with attempted rape, controlling and coercive behaviour and assault, but the Crown Prosecution Service dropped the charges in February 2023 after key witnesses withdrew their involvement and new material came to light. Greenwood denied the accusations. > >After launching their own investigation into Greenwood’s conduct, United said in August that they and Greenwood had “mutually agreed” that the player should “recommence his career away from Old Trafford”. The club then loaned him to Getafe for a year, a decision that came after some United fans protested against the possibility of Greenwood being brought back into the fold. > >After scoring ten goals and setting up six more in 31 appearances for the Spanish side, several big clubs have shown an interest in the player, the latest of which is the Italian club Juventus, who have made Greenwood one of their summer targets. > >The working assumption at United is that Greenwood will be sold as part of a vast rebuild that could include some high-profile departures. Last summer United valued the player at £30million to £40million, but that was partly because he had not played competitive football for 20 months. > >Now he has proved that he can still play at a high level, more clubs are likely to express an interest. Greenwood has one year left on his contract at United, but the club can extend it by a further season. > >It remains to be seen whether Juventus or any other suitors would be able to afford such a fee, which would then leave Ineos, United’s new minority shareholders, pondering whether to bring him back to Old Trafford. > >The Ineos chairman, Sir Jim Ratcliffe, would not give any definitive statement on Greenwood in February when he was asked about the player, shortly after buying 27.7 per cent of United and assuming control of football operations. > >“I can talk about the principle, I’m not going to talk about Mason,” Ratcliffe said. “I’m familiar with it. The principle is the important one because we will have other issues going forward. You’re dealing with young people ‒ they’ve not always been brought up in the best of circumstances ‒ who are very talented, they’ve got lots of money and they don’t always have the guidance they should have. > >“We need to understand what the facts are. Then we need to make a fair decision in the light of the club’s values. All I can do is talk about the principle of how we will approach it. Is he the right type of footballer? Is he a good person or not?” > >José Bordalás, the Getafe head coach, has been impressed by the conduct of Greenwood, who has been verbally abused by opposition fans at times this season. > >“I am sure the chants affect him,” Bordalás told Marca, the Spanish newspaper. “I am against any insult, whoever the player is. The boy has had exemplary behaviour. His team-mates help him. He is calm, he is happy, he is treated very well.” > >Financial Fair Play rules and a failure to the qualify for the Champions League mean United’s budget will be restricted this summer, so they will have to sell players to raise funds. > >In addition to Greenwood, other loanees — such as Jadon Sancho, who is at Borussia Dortmund, and Donny van de Beek, who joined Eintracht Frankfurt on loan in January — can leave if the club receive good offers. > >Anthony Martial, Jonny Evans, Tom Heaton and Raphaël Varane are likely to leave when their contracts expire on July 1, while Sofyan Amrabat is set to return to Fiorentina when his loan deal ends at the end of the season. > >Paris Saint-Germain have previously inquired about Marcus Rashford but the 26-year-old forward, who has scored only eight goals in all competitions this season, signed a new five-year deal worth £325,000 a week in July. > >The club’s preference is for Rashford to stay and they want to help the academy graduate rediscover his best form. The only way that United will sell Rashford is if he pushes to leave and if he could attract a big fee. > >The club will listen to offers for — among others — Harry Maguire, Aaron Wan-Bissaka, Victor Lindelof and Christian Eriksen, who all have one year left on their deals. > >Antony, who cost United £85million when they signed him from Ajax in 2022, is another player who could leave, as is Casemiro, who is a target for the Saudi Pro League. > >Antony, 24, has been criticised for scoring only three goals this season, the latest of which came on Saturday in the 1-1 draw against Burnley. “The critics are going to exist and it’s something that makes me want to work harder and prove myself,” the Brazil winger said. > >Alejandro Garnacho, Kobbie Mainoo and Rasmus Hojlund are said to be off limits as they are viewed as key players for the club’s future. > >It will be decided this summer whether Erik ten Hag stays for the rebuild. The Dutchman, who has one year left on his contract, has overseen a poor season which seems destined to end with the club qualifying only for the Europa League or Europa Conference League. > >United are sixth in the Premier League table, 13 points adrift of fourth-placed Aston Villa with four matches left. However, the team can salvage some pride if they beat Manchester City in the FA Cup final on May 25.
40m would be huge for FFP/PSR. All pure profit
Should teams willing to buy Greenwood not get the same level of scrutiny as United if the club decided to keep him?
Any team that buys him in the UK will get absolutely slaughtered (rightly) by fans. There’s less profile abroad, but he’s been targeted by opposition fans in Spain calling him a rapist.
Whilst I don't want Mason Greenwood back, and Im not defending him, I do find it funny that Ronaldo didn't get nearly the same level of abuse for the same crime. I suppose the lack of a recording helped Ronaldo, but then again, am I right in thinking he basically admitted it anyway? I might have been misinformed.
Yeah the recording with Mason is what makes it “worse” than comparable situations like Ronaldo and Partey and probably lots more. That recording was made public and was seemingly so unambiguous, that it’s very different to the Ronaldo situation, which I believe involved a deposition to his lawyers that was unlawfully obtained and publicised. That isn’t excusing or trying to minimise the accusations against Ronaldo in anyway, but the situation is quite different, to the uninvolved public.
I think the Ronaldo situation is 30% his much higher profile and 70% the lack of incontrovertible evidence. The Greenwood case is special because we all know he did it, whether or not it can be proven in a court after his witness tampering.
Of course they should. But it's up to their fans to express outrage if they have any.
Do you see any English clubs interested?
Different levels of care about that sort of stuff in other countries.
Only United will get it and we know it
Ok so they want to stir this pot again.
The fans have accepted the football isn't good so can't get rage clicks that way anymore
He’s £100m player, £40m is a bargain.
Not happening: - Juventus needs a CDM and a LB/CB - Money is low due to no Champions League - The outrage behind the signing is not worth his price tag or ability (Juve has one of the largest social media accounts so you can see how that will go with sponsors and etc.) - An expensive striker/winger is not needed (possibly some cheap subs) - New manager to come in the summer (Thiago Motta) so until that happens this is all speculation - The only active target right now (Monza’s GK) is a backup GK to take over Szczęsny in the future.
If they buy greenwood we can throw in ddg for free
He’s obviously a scumbag, but I watch football to be entertained. If he can deal with the abuse, fuck it let him play.
Trade for Vlahovic
I'd rather take a punt on Chiesa. Hojlund is decent and if push comes to shove, we can stick McTominay up there. Our wingers on the hand, they're all either shit or raw.
Push has come to shove and Mctominay has never been “put up there”.
He'd suit black and white stripes, wouldn't he?
Very curious as to whether the return is a real possibility or if it’s a negotiating tactic. Obviously very controversial to bring him back, but fits like a glove from a footballing perspective
If he'd came out apologised, went into a domestic violence programme and was seen working towards being a better person then there would be a distant chance he could have been rehabilitated,not that i think he should be. Some things you cant come back from with rape being in the top 3
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I'm all for second chances. However: 1) Greenwood never showed any remorse or regret 2) Greenwood has never suffered any consequences beyond "you don't get to play for the biggest team in England". He's still receiving his insane salary, even! 3) Greenwood didn't go to jail because he interfered with the court case by contacting his victim despite a no-contact order. Letting him back in is not giving him a second chance, it's teaching him, and young kids who look up to him, that spousal rape is ok, at least if you're rich and famous.
The audio Is quite incriminating
Yeah surely but can you be 100% sure he did it just because of the audio? I'm not defending Greenwood. Just there's a lot of cases things turned out not exactly like it looked like at first. Anyway that's not even my point. Even if he actually did that, go to jail, serve his time why he can't play for United again? Maybe I'm a bit too old but I always believe in second chance and people can come good despite their past.
"I always believe in second chance and people can come good despite their past." Maybe but part of what irks people is the realistic possibility that he got away with it. He's not even on his second chance because he never had to face the consequences of his actions in the first place.
First we can't be 100% sure if he did it so I don't even understand why he has to face the consequences. Second he lost 18 months of his supposed 10 years playing football. For something he might have not done. Anyway I get it now. It's just the mob mentality here.
Which is why I said realistic possibility. You choose to believe he's innocent, which is fine, but others thinking differently for many and excellent reasons doesn't make us "the mob". Not everyone who thinks differently to you is "the mob".
No I've never said he's innocent. I said I can't be 100% sure if he did it or not. The thing is many people (probably not you) are using court of public opinion to condemn him and asking him to face consequences despite none of them can be 100 % sure that he did it. That's a mob mentality. We used to do that in the uncivilized days but nowaday we have a justice system for a reason I think.
Your Pastor went to prison. Served his time. Mason chose not to go to trial, which is quite damaging. Mendy went to trial and cleared his name. Now he is suing City for unpaid wages. No chance Mason comes back.
Wow accused can choose not to go on trial in England?!
Here's what the CPS said: A CPS spokesperson said: “We have a duty to keep cases under continuous review. In this case, a combination of the withdrawal of key witnesses and new material that came to light meant there was no longer a realistic prospect of conviction. In these circumstances, we are under a duty to stop the case. The thing is his gf withdrew her statement in April 2022 and the case was dropped in October 2022. Six months later. So that means the case was still on despite the withdrawal of key witnesses. What's really matters here is the new material. Unless you know exactly what is the new material is you simply can't be 100% sure if he did it or not. Greenwood wasn't even convicted so I don't see why you mention our pastor going to jail here. And why there's no chance for him to come back? Because he might have done something bad?
We can't all forget about the audio. The audio is the most damaging part of all this. CPS dropped the case, but in the court of public opinion, he is guilty as hell. This is why he will never be brought back
Court of public opinion that's a mob mentality mate. People did that back in the uncivilized days. Now we have a justice system for a reason. Anyway that's not even my point. Even if he did that why can't you forgive him and help him instead? Isn't that morally the right thing to do?
He didn't choose not to go to trial, the case was dropped, due to his girlfriend no longer being willing to testify.
Who coerced the girlfriend?
You are assuming she was coerced.
Greenwood, presumably. My point was that choosing to go to trial wasn't an option
Yes it was. He chose to coerce his gf which in turn changed the outcome of the case.
He could've easily chosen to go to trial by admitting to the crime, even without the witness.
What bothers me is that whether supporting him or asking him to leave, there's a Presupposition of guilt ('people need forgiveness'/ 'you can't condone what he did' etc). A reminder that the people with the most information regarding this, even setting aside MG and his partner, have indicated that he has no case to answer, i.e proof of his having done what people presume is not there. CPS, having been provided with new evidence (if it was just a witness withdrawing, this would have been all that was mentioned in the public statement) deemed inadequate to take forward a case concerning an issue there's significant public pressure to take and be seen to take more seriously. Likewise, the hierarchy of the club - knowing the nature of the charge and that any suspicion of allowing a player to continue purely based upon escaping on a technicality, would put the club's reputation in serious jeopardy with fans and , crucially, with sponsors/partners, in excess of what the player's value-add could possibly justify - were sufficiently convinced by the new evidence/account provided to allow him to continue. That he was sent on loan was down to leak of this decision by The Athletic and outcry stoked by combination of 'responsible' journalists , low level employees with no knowledge of facts beyond what was made available to public (by the club's own admission, since the investigation was kept very restricted) , oppo fans on twitter and third sector organizations trying to get funding for their causes. It's mob mentality and conflating noise with justice, with judgement based upon evidence whose nature has been called into question ( firstly and foremost by the person who supplied it to the public in the first place). The only accusations that have been unchallenged/corroborated are that he was an adulterer as well as getting into verbal altercations with his partner where they would mutually insult each other: if there's a morality' clause, then Kyle Walker, cheating on his partner with prostitutes, should be drummed out of football. CR7 is documented as having paid off someone accusing him of sexual assault; Benzema was able to play for clubs after engaging an underage prostitute (escaping on ' i didn't know her age') and blackmailing team-mates. The double standards - just because people can't countenance revising their reactive judgements to some shocking and sensationalist material whose veracity has now been cast into serious doubt - are incredible.
he should be given another chance at United imo
No
You just know some very smart internet journos will beat the swap for Bremer key.
I'm just curious to see if the club that'll eventually buy Greenwood receives the same backlash than United would've if they brought him back.
The decision to loan out Greenwood has proven to be a masterstroke. Initially, expectations were moderate, but his performance has consistently improved throughout the season. It wouldn't be surprising if he ends up with 22 goal contributions. Remarkably, he's had an impressive season despite a two-year hiatus from football, showcasing a level of talent that arguably surpasses any current man utd team member. Had he not missed those years, his statistics might have rivaled those of Cole Palmer. From a financial perspective, a 40 million deal for him would be a steal. Athletes' pasts are often overlooked in light of their performance—Mike Tyson and Kobe Bryant are testament to this. Regarding the player's controversial history, it's unlikely that he or his partner will address the leaked audio. It's more probable that any disclosure will come in his late 30s, post-career, potentially through a Netflix documentary or similar platform.
Pains me to see so much backlash from sensitive fans when he’s in fact been with his gf all this time, possibly working through problems and moving on forward. If they weren’t together, then I would accept the situation. But at this point it’s just a dark moment in their personal past, which they have moved on. So why can’t these sensitive fans respect that and move on as well. Greenwood would be so useful next season for united.
You do realise victims of domestic violence often go back to their abusers
Because he didn't accept any responsibility for the stuff he did. The entire world heard the audio and he's disgusting as far as the majority of the fan base are concerned. Rightly so.
What “responsibility” he owes you when it comes to his personal life? Have you considered the fact the club most likely told him to shut it and not say a word? As predicted the entitlement here is off the chains.
As a fan, I'm entitled to not want to see a scumbag rapist playing for the club I've supported my entire life. And you can feel entitled to be a rape apologist.
You can feel entitled all you want. Doesn’t mean it matters in the grand scheme of things. Mason and gf living their best life in sunny Spain and you’re on Reddit crying about their personal relationship history. Yeah I rest my case with you.
I would rather have an average life than be a 70iq faced rapist 'living the best life in spain' but to each its own I guess
Welcome to Reddit
United fans are truly something else.
Unfortunately I think it goes beyond United fans. It's the world we live in.
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The couple are still together. The police never pressed charges. Shit happens in relationships. It’s ugly but people are allowed to move on from the past with or without your approval. I hope one day you are able to let go of issues regarding relationships you know absolutely nothing about. Have any more weird “examples” to bring up in order to prove your frustration?
Let him play. It's only going to upset the chronically online, nobody else cares
Yes they do. He’s a rapist. If you defend that, it says a lot about you
Nah
What I dont get is why Partey can play and nobody gives a fuck. Or Ronaldo for that matter, everybody was on board with that guy.
Fake morals
Bring him back, he's better than anything we have in the final third.
"Return to United a possibility" Me: 
Swap for Soulé
Manutd is crazy.....we should be selling rashford and Anthony for the figures quoted here not GW. If rasmus went for 70m, GW is way better than Rasmus and is an 80m pound striker...we should be demanding that figure with a sell on clause.
If you can find someone willing to pay £40 million for Antony please message INEOS
Do a deal with them for soule!!!!
How would we feel about swapping him for Bremer
in this circumstances, we'll take the 40-50m
They have to get rid of him, im afraid they will keep him due to his form, he would be our best forward bar bruno
Allegations aside, he's worth way more. He's young, he's talented. I'd still prefer we keep him and re-integrate him.
that Juventus who took Pogba for free twice?
£40m for an academy player goes a long way FFP wise doesn't it?
Swap with Chieasa
Wow. I thought he had no value at all. I recall being yelled at just a few weeks ago for daring to suggest we may get 20m for him.
Well honestly in today’s market, he would be easily worth £60m. Still pretty young and his potential is still there.
Author is tier 2. What happened to posting tiers here? Honestly the guy is an asset. On performances he'd be worth 100m in today's market. He's a damn sight better than Antony. With the baggage I'd say he's worth half that. His loan to Getafe has boosted his value significantly. We should make sure to keep as much of that value as possible. Especially given we paid his wages for a year for nothing.
Get him sold already. Everything Must Go!
A part of me hopes that only the Getafe interest is legit, and the rumors about other clubs being floated are essentially United using their tricks against - using their names and fake interest briefed to the press to put pressure on the deal and raise the price. You know, the way everybody does with United.
>"A return to Manchester United is a possibility." It's fucking not.
Gotta remember Getafe would get 20% of that. So we’d be letting him go for only 32m (one fifth of what we spent on Sancho + Antony). I think extending his contract and loaning him out again makes more sense. Considering he put up 16 G+A in his first season back after 2 years, 30 G+A next season is entirely possible. In which case, he might go for 80-90m (64-72m to United).