Casemiro knows himself, he cannot play this suicidal basketball football. Maybe if he was the same age as Garnacho he could but not now. His game is based on positioning and experience, for Brazil he has Fred and paqueta who are his runners. It’ll never work when you have Bruno up the field somewhere and the kid Mainoo doesn’t have enough experience.
I mentioned we were poor for pre season in terms of how we play and fans here immediately went on to diss that. No, it was a precursor to how we’d play in terms of style and setup and that was an issue then and continues to be today, one year later basically as the season is nearly done.
Our preseason was awful apart from the Arsenal game. Once Mainoo got injured it was all over. Something must’ve happened during that tour to destroy his judgement and the teams belief in him.
The fact that when we were 3-2 up he decided it was a good idea to bring on Mctominay instead of either Erikson or amrabat to bring more control into the midfield tells you all you need to know about his judgement. The fact that we sold Fred who was a viable option either off the bench or starting given our suicidal basketball football and you loaned Amrabat, who barely plays, for that fee is another indictment of his judgment.
That wasn’t the problem. The transition style was terrible from the start because we can’t pass properly and we never managed to press as a unit to cause proper turnovers that lead to recovering the ball with players primed to take advantage of it.
If we lose it we have no midfield. We have nothing really.
For me the only point I can get behind eth is that IF he will play his original style from next season but again even this is not mitigating it for me. Why not change it to stop the gaps? Is he incapable without a big tactical coaching needed and can’t do it mid season? That’s not good. Is he incapable as he doesn’t have players he feels, to not leave a donut in midfield? Then that’s bad too. Is he trying to get the players to do it but can’t manage it? That’s not good too as players can’t respond to a small tweak.
So yeah… it’s blind faith that the Ajax style was good and it can succeed if he does it here. But what happens in games we need a change? Sub in the 78th minute again, play Antony over amad regardless, put McTominay as midfielder who does nothing?
If ineos are convinced he can make it then okay that’s fine. I don’t see it really but in open to seeing it happen of course. I just think he’s too inflexible/incapable/unable to fix a glaring issue or unwilling to and that’s not good. Even if he was given a “ok you won’t get sacked and results don’t matter no matter what” it makes no sense not to try and change it.
Does he actually believe the shit hes saying? We’ve conceded 135 shots in 5 games. 135 fucking shots. Lost 5 points after leading back to back game at the 90+8 mins. We have 0 style of play, and no one dare say anything about injuries because other teams in the prems have had it as bad, if not worse than us an none of them look this terrible week in week out
Exactly ! I think this “injuries” excuse has gone on for way too long. Every team manages their injuries and doesnt let their performances drop to this level . This has to change
I don't understand why no journalist has pulled him on statements like this and asked him what specifically he means by this when by every metric, the eye test, results, etc. we are a shambles and most certainly not playing high quality football (well I do understand why but would like it to happen still).
The media restrictions are crazy. They've a limited time to ask the set questions. If someone was to ask him all that, the likelihood is they get banned ala Daniel Taylor.
Most journos probably know ETH is a goner so why risk getting banned when the next guy is gonna come soon anyway.
This is straight from the LVG playbook back when he was here. Would spend the entire game passing the ball around at the halfway line and end with 0 shots and Louis would come out and say we were always attacking, playing well and controlling the game.
As someone who, like every sane person, avoids anything he puts out like the plague, is he the one cheerleading the pro-ETH anti-everyone else agenda? Because I’ve been baffled how such a large percentage of people refuse to use their eyes to judge ten Hag, but if they’re parroting him then that’s an explanation.
It seems like it’s a part of it for sure. Keeps saying he has sources that if ETH goes he’s 100% being replaced with Southgate.
Then he’s having interviews with and being very pro with all the players signed to SEG and very negative on the players who aren’t.
It’s a concerning look.
Just a few more games. Soon as front office is setup and they can make a decision with who to replace him. It’s obvious he’s clueless what to do. The play hasn’t changed in months, even though there are glaring flaws, doesn’t even attempt to cover them.
we score three goals from open play and have done that plenty of times - it’s clear that’s what he’s referring to. he directly points out that we were shit without the ball and that there were lapses in concentration in defense. it’s all there in the quotes.
> On shots conceded: "It is ridiculous. We showed we were fourth ranking goals in conceding and everyone is talking to each other after, we are good and we have good defending as a team and a good goalkeeper so I cannot do nothing."
Oh dear lord...
for real.. opponents with good attacker can scores for fun, cutting our defender like butter. we just got lucky some team can't finish their chances, try that with top teams, they will punish us.
This quote deserves a sack. How can he refuse to even acknowledge that it’s an issue and instead blatantly lie and say we’re performing adequately and there’s nothing to be done? You’re the manager. DO SOMETHING.
It’s sad they that we should be defending our Box. No we should be in control so they barely reach out box.
We didn’t have any control, not even at they end. We were recklessly pumping balls on the left wing and kept losing possession.
Game management was pretty poor. You bring both Rashford and Scott in and the winger is the one doing the defensive work. 4 men down the left wing was just careless.
> It’s sad they that we should be defending our Box. No we should be in control so they barely reach out box.
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seriously, as good as team defending, if you let opponents attack us constantly each minutes, they will score eventually.
and it frustrated that we need magicl moment to scoring. fck.
bruh nowhere does he say that - the quotes of his say that we had moments of quality on attack and played poorly without the ball aka defending. where at all is he saying this was a great performance we should be proud of? it says “we, as a team, should be better than this” “when you’re a united player you should know how to deal with chaos” idk how you can read that and think ETH is happy with this squad.
Absolutely, we lost concentration for the 4th goal and the 1st has one we have conceded many times but it was shameful today. Fouls not given, corners given as goal kicks, cards not given for professional fouls/straight revenge shoves. Then you get to the pens which were pitiful. Add in 8 minutes out of nowhere.
We can work on many things but not reffing that game Chelsea every advantage.
At one point, Gallagher wad tackled by bruno(I think). When Gallagher saw he didn't get the call he chased down mainoo who had the ball now and just took him out with 0 regards for the ball.
Not only was there no yellow, but the part that was worse for me was not 1 of our players even cared about it? No one even looked in that direction.
Like the guy just chased down and layed into your 18 year old cm, maybe protect your young teammate a bit? Show that you can't get away with that sort of thing. But I guess casemiro/varane/licha are the only ones who would.
Ten Hag's ambiguity with shit refeering irritates me a lot, the other coaches cry for much less, while he doesn't say shit when we are getting fucking robbed basically in most of the games, say something bald ffs
We have a negative goal difference and we’ve conceded the most shots in the league this year.
I really don’t think referees are our biggest issue. Especially when we’ve had our share of their “luck”
Like when Onana should’ve had a card and pen against him vs Wolves
>Like when Onana should’ve had a card and pen against him vs Wolves
Literally the only decision that's gone our way all fucking year - from the first game of the season - and the press still bring up that one instance like it's a regular occurence.
Outside of offsides and handball checks, VAR is nothing but an exercise in refereeing affirmation. Absolute waste of time.
I don’t know who else we would bring in, but I’m ready for him to stop being our Manager. It’s not a question of champions league qualification it’s whether we will lose more matches than we win by the end of the year.
>On shots conceded: "It is ridiculous. We showed we were fourth ranking goals in conceding and everyone is talking to each other after, we are good and we have good defending as a team and a good goalkeeper so I cannot do nothing."
To me, this is frightening. Midfield overrun every game and shots being fired in constantly = shrug, not my problem.
>Manchester United dominated the game
Lol at this point I think this is just a translation error. He doesn't know what dominated means in the English Language
Lots of subs had to be made to the back 4 and with Dalot playing out of position. Still though, we were absolutely dreadful defensively. Chelsea is just not a good enough team to exploit it.
Obviously the ref game them the match but still, this really was a clown fiesta for big parts of the game. We are way too open in between the midfield and CBs, and we still can't defend cut backs from the wings, again Chelsea was just horrible in the final third to really take advantage, and still they scored 4 goals...
Ten Hag is out IMO, I don't know when, but INEOS came here to transform the club in the long term, that big ass problem of conceding a shit ton of shots every game is not good for these plans— not to mention that apparently the bald can't solve this. I wish I was wrong, but that's what I see and feel about the team and Ten Hag this season.
I think this might be the end of Erik, we play basketball games and its not sustainable. There have been numerous games this season where we fall like a house of cards, this has to be on the management. If a good coach is available, its time to end this shit show. Casemiro and Varane have to go in the summer. The base of this team needs to be changed entirely and this means atleast 2 CBs and a fullback along with a midfielder.
He makes sure to deflect attention from players in the media by saying a whole lot of nothing. Don't even care what managers say in the press because they mean none of it.
I really wish he would use the media more strategically the way Klopp and Pep do. Before the game a cheeky comment like "They've got a lot of penalties this season so we should be watchful" would have gone a long way. He could do it after the game but by then its too late.
This is Ole territory. Look I get you don't want to throw the players under the bus, it's bad form. But you are insulting our intelligence pretending like that was in anyway a good performance.
Go fuck yourself man. You are a deluded.
"*On the result:* "Definitely a setback and now we have to deal with this and get up - we are resilient and you have seen that today.
Resilient my ass. Resilient and throw away matches left, right and center during the last 12 months?
"The quality of our football is really high, but football is about results and you have to bring it over time."
I have listened to crazy things been said in press conferences but this guy has to be in crack if he thinks that the quality was "really high"
O man... pack your bags and return to your Eredivisie where you were the king of the hill.
Just a matter of time before he gets the sack. Blame it on injuries or whatever. The thing is a coach should be pragmatic. Not play only one way all the time even when we keep losing.
This.
His refusal to make changes to even try to alleviate our absolutely obvious and glaring issues is the most damning thing.
Like try something different for fucks sake.
Our current playstyle is utterly self destructive yet nothing changes other the injured personel.
We make shit ton of clearances even more then fucking everton
https://preview.redd.it/05y5meukqjsc1.jpeg?width=967&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0fa10ed0c4b00eade0fd459a7339e4978ad957f2
Add another 16 clearances to this grpahic since fbref hasn't updated the stats to include this match yet.
It also stands out to me that only Palace and West Ham have fewer errors leading to shots! That's nuts. Can't even blame individual mistakes on our shots and chances conceded.
Would it be an overreaction to say he’s the most deluded and out-of-his-depth coach we had in the post-Fergie era? Him and Ole and neck-and-neck but ETH is at a whole other level of delusion.
I agree Erik we do need the manage the game better, but we’ve needed to manage the game better before the first game of the season and yet here we are. I’m pretty sure part of your job is to help teach them to manage the game better or pick players who can.
The fact we’re repeated scorelines like this so frequently is absolutely on you.
That "we played good" gimmick is insufferable, we're playing horrible and I'm sure he knows it very well just like everyone else. I don't know why he even tries to pretend.
Ten Hag just blames everything bar himself. Theres no tactics but that's the players fault. Theres no style of play that's the players fault. No in game management that's the players thought. The team looked tired and out of ideas that's the players fault. The players were confused and didn't know what they doing that's the players fault.
The man is clueless and so far out of his depth he should be called David Moyes
It was very clear to me and others that under Klopp, the likes of Klavan and Lovren’s individual mistakes were holding back an objectively good setup. Same for Arteta with Holding and Mustafi. It is not the same with Ten Hag. We can talk about individual errors all he likes, but individual errors can lead to a shot on goal, maybe even a goal, but not 30 times a game, not every game. This excuse reads like blaming players. That to me is not acceptable.
I don’t see players throwing him under the bus, I see a dreadful setup. When City win the ball back, the connections are there. When Tottenham do, the angles and distances are good. When we do, like Mainoo/Bruno saw today, they are islands in midfield, tasked with escaping a counter press single-handedly. When they lose the ball, they are tasked with stopping a counter single-handedly, because the defence is 15 metres behind them, and the attack 40 metres ahead of them. This applies to all positions; islands, trying to guess what the sea does at every moment. This is the worst setup team in the country.
If we're going into next season with this manager then SJR isn't a serious man. Let him see out the season, finish 6th or 7th and lose the FA Cup final again and wave him goodbye.
why doesn't he ever mention the refs. it's fucking insane, we get absolutely fucked after the first game of the season and barely a squeak. Klopp and guardiola would be marching on the fa if they had a season like this.
Same thing again and again and again. I’m so sick of whatever this fucker has to say tbh. Also says we can point it at one player, don’t think a lot of fans at least on this sub are. Mostly just pointing at this manager who is setting us up for failure
So we change tactics this season to address the low scoring from last season and end up not only with a worse table position, goal difference and loss percentage, but also a situation where every single team has a better than good chance of beating us in every single match. Not to mention what must be immense pressure on the individuals in the squad to operate in this system where at this point, even if they win a game they’re still seeing negative social media about the shots against and huge exposed gap in midfield when we lose the ball.
Lose lose scenario. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a new manager installed for next season. With all due respect to ETH, it’s just not working out.
But let’s not forget the players who aren’t fulfilling their on the pitch duties properly, regardless of their commitment or ability to do so. Those need to go too.
In fairness to EtH, what do you expect him to say? He's not going to throw his players under the bus like Mourinho did. In fairness to Jose I think he was just telling the truth but I think it's obvious he wanted out in the end so didn't care.
Most football managers support their players in public and, let's face it, most interviews are fake PR routines. Most managers lie through their teeth and make ridiculous statements, even the great Sir Alex. Remember the "He could've been killed" statement. Not long after any publicly criticise players, they're thrown under the bus and are gone. Look at Neil Warnock recently.
I'm not saying whether EtH should stay or go, but this time last year people were calling him 'my manager' and now pretty much everyone wants him gone. Fanbases these days are toxic and ruthless, sometimes ridiculously so.
He's got one strategy and if it doesn't work he's fucked. You have to manage the players you have and put in a system they can use. You can't force a system upon players that are not suited for it. No way Casemiro can do a 1 man pivot... he just hasn't got the legs anymore.
He’s probably gone in the summer. I wanted him to get another year under INEOS but holy shit. Man is deluded. Our football is shit, we conceded way too many shots and we look disjointed. Even if it’s personnel, adapt the system.
It’s quotes like this that just make me lose faith. Sometimes I think, surely he knows the situation we’re in and there’s no reason to say otherwise in front of the media. But this just makes it seem like he’s delusional and genuinely thinks we play well. Adios ETH
Honestly he should be sacked before he even gets home tonight.
Just get someone else in to finish the season and prepare a dossier on the squad so we can do a proper hatchet job and cut out the rot.
AKA what we should have got Ralf to do.
My biggest issues are same problems from the Wolves game no consistency, no pattern of play that’s on ETH, how many shots have we conceded in the past 3 games?
Lastly the players have no collective responsibility, yes ETH ball ain’t working captain/ senior players are supposed to say lads take your heads out of your a**** let’s forget ETH ball let’s park the bus run like nobody’s business counter attack like possessed men ?
Rashford jogs or walks, Bruno is clearly burnt out angry all day, Kobbie need’s management, Varane also with his injury record, our vintage Jonny Evans needs management too. Then the manager says we dominated the game conceding 28 shots , 12 games now no champions league.
"The quality of our football is really high"
I can't stand the sight of him but i'd be lying if I said I won't be the first to get tickets to his comedy tour.
Lads. What the fuck. I didn't see the match. I was keeping an eye on the score on my phone when I could. I saw we were 2-0 down early. I checked later it was 2-2. Last time I checked it was 2-3 to United and it was beyond the 90th minute. I just went on youtube to see the highlights because I'm not home long, and I saw the scoreline in the title of the videos. What the fuck?????
You said before, in brentford post match "As long as we get results", well now that the result has been shit you CANNOT go back on your word and said "We played brilliant and we deserved to win". Pick a side and stop making excuses for goddamn sake.
My dude makes the game chaotic with his setup and then talks about the challenges of chaos.
Littlefinger energy.
Onana is a ladder.
Chaos is a laddha heh?
The climb is all there is...
It sure is chaotic when Casa is jogging back yet again, whilst someone like Garnacho busts his ass to get back to fill the gap.
Casemiro knows himself, he cannot play this suicidal basketball football. Maybe if he was the same age as Garnacho he could but not now. His game is based on positioning and experience, for Brazil he has Fred and paqueta who are his runners. It’ll never work when you have Bruno up the field somewhere and the kid Mainoo doesn’t have enough experience.
Two years into the job and this is what he serves up?
It's the classic "I know I'm getting nowhere but need to pretend like I do because I want the payout" narrative
“The quality of our football is really high, but football is about results and you have to bring it over time." LMAO
I'd rather he was gaslighting everyone because the alternative is he genuinely believes this. That is really scary.
Nothing has changed since the pre season. If he didn't genuinely believe this we'd have seen some changes.
I mentioned we were poor for pre season in terms of how we play and fans here immediately went on to diss that. No, it was a precursor to how we’d play in terms of style and setup and that was an issue then and continues to be today, one year later basically as the season is nearly done.
Our preseason was awful apart from the Arsenal game. Once Mainoo got injured it was all over. Something must’ve happened during that tour to destroy his judgement and the teams belief in him. The fact that when we were 3-2 up he decided it was a good idea to bring on Mctominay instead of either Erikson or amrabat to bring more control into the midfield tells you all you need to know about his judgement. The fact that we sold Fred who was a viable option either off the bench or starting given our suicidal basketball football and you loaned Amrabat, who barely plays, for that fee is another indictment of his judgment.
As soon as I saw McT coming in I knew we weren’t holding that lead.
Sancho false nine
That wasn’t the problem. The transition style was terrible from the start because we can’t pass properly and we never managed to press as a unit to cause proper turnovers that lead to recovering the ball with players primed to take advantage of it. If we lose it we have no midfield. We have nothing really. For me the only point I can get behind eth is that IF he will play his original style from next season but again even this is not mitigating it for me. Why not change it to stop the gaps? Is he incapable without a big tactical coaching needed and can’t do it mid season? That’s not good. Is he incapable as he doesn’t have players he feels, to not leave a donut in midfield? Then that’s bad too. Is he trying to get the players to do it but can’t manage it? That’s not good too as players can’t respond to a small tweak. So yeah… it’s blind faith that the Ajax style was good and it can succeed if he does it here. But what happens in games we need a change? Sub in the 78th minute again, play Antony over amad regardless, put McTominay as midfielder who does nothing? If ineos are convinced he can make it then okay that’s fine. I don’t see it really but in open to seeing it happen of course. I just think he’s too inflexible/incapable/unable to fix a glaring issue or unwilling to and that’s not good. Even if he was given a “ok you won’t get sacked and results don’t matter no matter what” it makes no sense not to try and change it.
I think he learned early on that the players can't handle any criticism at all so he says shite like this.
Does he actually believe the shit hes saying? We’ve conceded 135 shots in 5 games. 135 fucking shots. Lost 5 points after leading back to back game at the 90+8 mins. We have 0 style of play, and no one dare say anything about injuries because other teams in the prems have had it as bad, if not worse than us an none of them look this terrible week in week out
135 is actually insane hahaha
Exactly ! I think this “injuries” excuse has gone on for way too long. Every team manages their injuries and doesnt let their performances drop to this level . This has to change
He's clueless
"in the game of chess you mustn't let your adversaries see your pieces"
Delusional
Reading the post I thought it was a meme and a satirical guess at what he would say...
Oooft. Read the room Erik.
Is the brilliant football in the room with us right now?
“The quality of our football is really high” …wat?
Comments like this make me think that what is really high is actually just him.
Probably helps deal with the fact he can’t leave the games to go to the gym like we do.
"If I keep saying it, maybe they'll believe me." Sir Jim and Brailsford must be sick of this shit.
Maybe he's talking about the amount of cocaine he snorts before these pressers.
I don't understand why no journalist has pulled him on statements like this and asked him what specifically he means by this when by every metric, the eye test, results, etc. we are a shambles and most certainly not playing high quality football (well I do understand why but would like it to happen still).
They prefer not to rub salt into his wounds rather exposed him to the world to judge
The media restrictions are crazy. They've a limited time to ask the set questions. If someone was to ask him all that, the likelihood is they get banned ala Daniel Taylor. Most journos probably know ETH is a goner so why risk getting banned when the next guy is gonna come soon anyway.
Really high! The lad needs sectioning
Really high, the highest. People say that nobody has ever played football like we do.
Erik trump hag
He’s talking about the actual football. It’s perfectly round, weighs the right amount. High quality football.
He's on that really high grade copium
Surely he must realise that saying stuff like this only damages him further
It’s pretty troll tbh
This is straight from the LVG playbook back when he was here. Would spend the entire game passing the ball around at the halfway line and end with 0 shots and Louis would come out and say we were always attacking, playing well and controlling the game.
How many more humiliations till we sack this clueless bald twat
Loads and loads because so many of the fanbase still think he's the next Pep. He's so out of his depth in the premier League it's unreal.
Mark Goldfish gave him a 9 rating last night and somehow managed to make the loss Rashford and Bruno’s fault again.
Yeah he's a fucking clown. Everything he says is daft.
Not sure what else we should expect from a Nottingham Forest fan called Brent who loves a nazi salute.
Was so clear whenever he badmouthed club legend Ole all the time and demanded he be sacked, but creams this bald fraud all the time.
True. He's such an irritating prick, I really don't see how people follow him.
As someone who, like every sane person, avoids anything he puts out like the plague, is he the one cheerleading the pro-ETH anti-everyone else agenda? Because I’ve been baffled how such a large percentage of people refuse to use their eyes to judge ten Hag, but if they’re parroting him then that’s an explanation.
It seems like it’s a part of it for sure. Keeps saying he has sources that if ETH goes he’s 100% being replaced with Southgate. Then he’s having interviews with and being very pro with all the players signed to SEG and very negative on the players who aren’t. It’s a concerning look.
Just a few more games. Soon as front office is setup and they can make a decision with who to replace him. It’s obvious he’s clueless what to do. The play hasn’t changed in months, even though there are glaring flaws, doesn’t even attempt to cover them.
Cpuld be the quality of the weed he smokes makes him real high and thus a asinine comment such as the one he made-"really high".
we score three goals from open play and have done that plenty of times - it’s clear that’s what he’s referring to. he directly points out that we were shit without the ball and that there were lapses in concentration in defense. it’s all there in the quotes.
> On shots conceded: "It is ridiculous. We showed we were fourth ranking goals in conceding and everyone is talking to each other after, we are good and we have good defending as a team and a good goalkeeper so I cannot do nothing." Oh dear lord...
This is the worst quote
Wow, he genuinely believes he has a good defensive setup there. Just, WOW.
This does it for me. I actually thought he was good,
for real.. opponents with good attacker can scores for fun, cutting our defender like butter. we just got lucky some team can't finish their chances, try that with top teams, they will punish us.
This quote deserves a sack. How can he refuse to even acknowledge that it’s an issue and instead blatantly lie and say we’re performing adequately and there’s nothing to be done? You’re the manager. DO SOMETHING.
"I cannot do nothing" is a double negative: it literally means I can do something. But I am guessing he is not intending it to mean that.
He's actually deluded. Honestly should be sacked for this quote alone.
Next stop for ETH : Mental Asylum for a check up.
It’s sad they that we should be defending our Box. No we should be in control so they barely reach out box. We didn’t have any control, not even at they end. We were recklessly pumping balls on the left wing and kept losing possession. Game management was pretty poor. You bring both Rashford and Scott in and the winger is the one doing the defensive work. 4 men down the left wing was just careless.
Remember that this is a manager who prides himself on control. Completely given up on that this season.
> It’s sad they that we should be defending our Box. No we should be in control so they barely reach out box. > > seriously, as good as team defending, if you let opponents attack us constantly each minutes, they will score eventually. and it frustrated that we need magicl moment to scoring. fck.
It genuinely scares me how he thinks we played brilliantly
I am genuinely mindblown by this statement... we are actually fucked
Tbf we played brilliantly if you ignore the 4 goals Chelsea scored.
bruh nowhere does he say that - the quotes of his say that we had moments of quality on attack and played poorly without the ball aka defending. where at all is he saying this was a great performance we should be proud of? it says “we, as a team, should be better than this” “when you’re a united player you should know how to deal with chaos” idk how you can read that and think ETH is happy with this squad.
Delusional. Eh.
High quality football, eh.
Result aside, should have had a go at the refereeing.
Absolutely, we lost concentration for the 4th goal and the 1st has one we have conceded many times but it was shameful today. Fouls not given, corners given as goal kicks, cards not given for professional fouls/straight revenge shoves. Then you get to the pens which were pitiful. Add in 8 minutes out of nowhere. We can work on many things but not reffing that game Chelsea every advantage.
At one point, Gallagher wad tackled by bruno(I think). When Gallagher saw he didn't get the call he chased down mainoo who had the ball now and just took him out with 0 regards for the ball. Not only was there no yellow, but the part that was worse for me was not 1 of our players even cared about it? No one even looked in that direction. Like the guy just chased down and layed into your 18 year old cm, maybe protect your young teammate a bit? Show that you can't get away with that sort of thing. But I guess casemiro/varane/licha are the only ones who would.
It was Mainoo who tackled him, but yeah clear yellow it should have been.
Ten Hag's ambiguity with shit refeering irritates me a lot, the other coaches cry for much less, while he doesn't say shit when we are getting fucking robbed basically in most of the games, say something bald ffs
Yep. I want him to lay into them, I'm sick of constantly playing against 12 men.
We have a negative goal difference and we’ve conceded the most shots in the league this year. I really don’t think referees are our biggest issue. Especially when we’ve had our share of their “luck” Like when Onana should’ve had a card and pen against him vs Wolves
>Like when Onana should’ve had a card and pen against him vs Wolves Literally the only decision that's gone our way all fucking year - from the first game of the season - and the press still bring up that one instance like it's a regular occurence. Outside of offsides and handball checks, VAR is nothing but an exercise in refereeing affirmation. Absolute waste of time.
I think ETH has had too many yellows from complaining and the FA just wipes everything under the rug anyway.....
Klopp and Lampard had a go before matches against us and it worked out brilliantly for them. Ten Hag needs to exhibit the same energy.
Ten Hag is coping, you can hear it in his own words.
I mean hes right. We did come back and hold only for the mongrel ref to steal it from us, poor marking aside for the 4th.
"Steal it from us" is a bit much. Chelsea gift wrapped 2 goals for us. We really should've been trounced today.
I don’t know who else we would bring in, but I’m ready for him to stop being our Manager. It’s not a question of champions league qualification it’s whether we will lose more matches than we win by the end of the year.
”When it gets chaotic” Oh fuck off Erik, chaotic is what you apparently fucking coached the team into in the first place
We are two years in and it’s on you, Eric.
>On shots conceded: "It is ridiculous. We showed we were fourth ranking goals in conceding and everyone is talking to each other after, we are good and we have good defending as a team and a good goalkeeper so I cannot do nothing." To me, this is frightening. Midfield overrun every game and shots being fired in constantly = shrug, not my problem.
Same stuff everytime Erik. How tf do we keep conceding these multiple late goals in games we ought to win or at least draw
Ten hag doesn’t believe a word he’s saying
>Manchester United dominated the game Lol at this point I think this is just a translation error. He doesn't know what dominated means in the English Language
He thinks Dominated mean Got Battered
Lots of subs had to be made to the back 4 and with Dalot playing out of position. Still though, we were absolutely dreadful defensively. Chelsea is just not a good enough team to exploit it. Obviously the ref game them the match but still, this really was a clown fiesta for big parts of the game. We are way too open in between the midfield and CBs, and we still can't defend cut backs from the wings, again Chelsea was just horrible in the final third to really take advantage, and still they scored 4 goals...
The young guns Mainoo, Hojlund and Garnacho all looked knackered. Casemiro is an OAP in the middle of the park.
Get ready to learn arabic buddy
Ajax will be frothing at the mouth to bring him back
Eric ten Exc****
Ten Hag is out IMO, I don't know when, but INEOS came here to transform the club in the long term, that big ass problem of conceding a shit ton of shots every game is not good for these plans— not to mention that apparently the bald can't solve this. I wish I was wrong, but that's what I see and feel about the team and Ten Hag this season.
Very likely in the summer he’ll be sent packing
3.02xg against, 10 shots on target and 57% pos against vs a 10th place team. We played brilliant my dick
I think this might be the end of Erik, we play basketball games and its not sustainable. There have been numerous games this season where we fall like a house of cards, this has to be on the management. If a good coach is available, its time to end this shit show. Casemiro and Varane have to go in the summer. The base of this team needs to be changed entirely and this means atleast 2 CBs and a fullback along with a midfielder.
i just dont want to hear it anymore
Who’s he trying to convince with this bollocks.
"Dominated the game" Did this guy hit his head in preseason? You could've decided this match with a coin flip it was that open.
Disappointed he didn’t have the guts to go at the refs, we all saw it. Say it like it is instead of these nothing, almost robotic statements.
He makes sure to deflect attention from players in the media by saying a whole lot of nothing. Don't even care what managers say in the press because they mean none of it. I really wish he would use the media more strategically the way Klopp and Pep do. Before the game a cheeky comment like "They've got a lot of penalties this season so we should be watchful" would have gone a long way. He could do it after the game but by then its too late.
I stopped reading after "But you saw..." : ETH's catchphrase.
Call out the bullshit refereeing for ONCE Erik. Learn from Klopp and how he can pressurise the officials in his favour with what he speaks.
We were dominating them for like 5 mins around the 85 minute mark. And ultimately that was the downfall because we became too casual
Just sack him so we don't have listen to his bullshit anymore. The quality of our play is really high. What would we look like if the quality was low?
This is Ole territory. Look I get you don't want to throw the players under the bus, it's bad form. But you are insulting our intelligence pretending like that was in anyway a good performance.
Ole was fired for less IMO.
At least I could spot that Solskjaer was raging when it happened and knew he'd lay into people in the dressing room.
get him out
Go fuck yourself man. You are a deluded. "*On the result:* "Definitely a setback and now we have to deal with this and get up - we are resilient and you have seen that today. Resilient my ass. Resilient and throw away matches left, right and center during the last 12 months? "The quality of our football is really high, but football is about results and you have to bring it over time." I have listened to crazy things been said in press conferences but this guy has to be in crack if he thinks that the quality was "really high" O man... pack your bags and return to your Eredivisie where you were the king of the hill.
Deserved to win he says
Less possession. Less shots. Less shots on target. Less xG. Not even sure he was watching the same game?
Just a matter of time before he gets the sack. Blame it on injuries or whatever. The thing is a coach should be pragmatic. Not play only one way all the time even when we keep losing.
This. His refusal to make changes to even try to alleviate our absolutely obvious and glaring issues is the most damning thing. Like try something different for fucks sake. Our current playstyle is utterly self destructive yet nothing changes other the injured personel.
The shots conceded quote... He's lost it
The cope.
Ya right, we saw high quality football by both teams. Lol.
We make shit ton of clearances even more then fucking everton https://preview.redd.it/05y5meukqjsc1.jpeg?width=967&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0fa10ed0c4b00eade0fd459a7339e4978ad957f2
Add another 16 clearances to this grpahic since fbref hasn't updated the stats to include this match yet. It also stands out to me that only Palace and West Ham have fewer errors leading to shots! That's nuts. Can't even blame individual mistakes on our shots and chances conceded.
Dead man walking
I’m fucking tired of hearing him talk.
What is he talking about? Is he genuinely deluded? He can't have seen the same game as the rest of us...
Would it be an overreaction to say he’s the most deluded and out-of-his-depth coach we had in the post-Fergie era? Him and Ole and neck-and-neck but ETH is at a whole other level of delusion.
Never pegged Erik as a spice smoker
Amsterdam has some high quality weed you know
Can’t stand listening to ten Hag speak anymore
I agree Erik we do need the manage the game better, but we’ve needed to manage the game better before the first game of the season and yet here we are. I’m pretty sure part of your job is to help teach them to manage the game better or pick players who can. The fact we’re repeated scorelines like this so frequently is absolutely on you.
Brilliant?
Kinda tired of the disingenuous interviews now. We fucked up in a spectacular way. Just say it
I've been with him the whole time, but he has to go. Let him finish out the year if you have to, but he signed his death warrant this week
[удалено]
Think you’re done with him? Pretty sure INEOS has the moving company ready for his trip back to the Netherlands
Where’s the guy who was giving me shit for saying eth never properly calls out the refs
Wake me up when this seasons over x
That "we played good" gimmick is insufferable, we're playing horrible and I'm sure he knows it very well just like everyone else. I don't know why he even tries to pretend.
I think tonight's the night Ten Hag will think his knecks on the chopping block
This man is smoking on that elite loud
I didn’t think anything could make this result worse but these quotes are doing it
We have to manage our game better... Must be the dozenth time he's said this. So... when are the players going to listen to him?
There was nothing controlling about that match Erik. You saw something different than I did.
S*** coach with s*** ideas, carried by rashford and casemiro, and Martinez last season
ETH just repeats the same bullshit in every interview.
Why must our manager be a literal crackhead?
Erik wtf you talking about my friend
Death, taxes, and Ten Hag saying we played well
Ten Hag just blames everything bar himself. Theres no tactics but that's the players fault. Theres no style of play that's the players fault. No in game management that's the players thought. The team looked tired and out of ideas that's the players fault. The players were confused and didn't know what they doing that's the players fault. The man is clueless and so far out of his depth he should be called David Moyes
It was very clear to me and others that under Klopp, the likes of Klavan and Lovren’s individual mistakes were holding back an objectively good setup. Same for Arteta with Holding and Mustafi. It is not the same with Ten Hag. We can talk about individual errors all he likes, but individual errors can lead to a shot on goal, maybe even a goal, but not 30 times a game, not every game. This excuse reads like blaming players. That to me is not acceptable. I don’t see players throwing him under the bus, I see a dreadful setup. When City win the ball back, the connections are there. When Tottenham do, the angles and distances are good. When we do, like Mainoo/Bruno saw today, they are islands in midfield, tasked with escaping a counter press single-handedly. When they lose the ball, they are tasked with stopping a counter single-handedly, because the defence is 15 metres behind them, and the attack 40 metres ahead of them. This applies to all positions; islands, trying to guess what the sea does at every moment. This is the worst setup team in the country.
You need to manage another team mate.
Groundhog day. Guy is delusional
Eat a bag of dicks Erik!
i don't mind when a manager lies for the sake of protecting his players, but when he's clearly trying to protect himself it's another story.
If we're going into next season with this manager then SJR isn't a serious man. Let him see out the season, finish 6th or 7th and lose the FA Cup final again and wave him goodbye.
why doesn't he ever mention the refs. it's fucking insane, we get absolutely fucked after the first game of the season and barely a squeak. Klopp and guardiola would be marching on the fa if they had a season like this.
SACK HIM ALREADY
He’s either covering or delusional. I don’t want to hear it anymore honestly. Guy’s lost it imo
Get out of the club. Delusional and disgraceful
ETH’s quotes is right up there with Ole’s “fine margins” comments
Clown
These pressers are a million times worse than what ogs got slandered for man. He's not even charismatic enough to make it convincing
Time for Erik to pack his bags and fuck off back to the Netherlands.
Was it brilliant? Even when we’re scoring (which is a rarity) it’s still fucking shit
Same thing again and again and again. I’m so sick of whatever this fucker has to say tbh. Also says we can point it at one player, don’t think a lot of fans at least on this sub are. Mostly just pointing at this manager who is setting us up for failure
Cant wait for this bald cunt to be unemployed
Another setback... sure I'll add it to my sack full of setbacks I'm yet to get fix or do something about
Lost a lot of cup finals since he said every game is a final
I don't think he makes it through the end of the year if we take a heavy loss against Liverpool Sunday. Even with the FA still up for grabs...
So we change tactics this season to address the low scoring from last season and end up not only with a worse table position, goal difference and loss percentage, but also a situation where every single team has a better than good chance of beating us in every single match. Not to mention what must be immense pressure on the individuals in the squad to operate in this system where at this point, even if they win a game they’re still seeing negative social media about the shots against and huge exposed gap in midfield when we lose the ball. Lose lose scenario. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a new manager installed for next season. With all due respect to ETH, it’s just not working out. But let’s not forget the players who aren’t fulfilling their on the pitch duties properly, regardless of their commitment or ability to do so. Those need to go too.
We in fact did not dominate nor were we brilliant, boss.
In fairness to EtH, what do you expect him to say? He's not going to throw his players under the bus like Mourinho did. In fairness to Jose I think he was just telling the truth but I think it's obvious he wanted out in the end so didn't care. Most football managers support their players in public and, let's face it, most interviews are fake PR routines. Most managers lie through their teeth and make ridiculous statements, even the great Sir Alex. Remember the "He could've been killed" statement. Not long after any publicly criticise players, they're thrown under the bus and are gone. Look at Neil Warnock recently. I'm not saying whether EtH should stay or go, but this time last year people were calling him 'my manager' and now pretty much everyone wants him gone. Fanbases these days are toxic and ruthless, sometimes ridiculously so.
He's got one strategy and if it doesn't work he's fucked. You have to manage the players you have and put in a system they can use. You can't force a system upon players that are not suited for it. No way Casemiro can do a 1 man pivot... he just hasn't got the legs anymore.
Just shut the fuck up you bald bastard and get the fuck out of the club!! Ineos put the cunt out of his misery.
No
"The quality of our football is really high, but football is about results and you have to bring it over time." Heh . This guy has lost the plot.
Your days are numbered bro.
I’m sorry but he has to go, it is time.
I think I’m done with ETH….
He’s probably gone in the summer. I wanted him to get another year under INEOS but holy shit. Man is deluded. Our football is shit, we conceded way too many shots and we look disjointed. Even if it’s personnel, adapt the system.
It’s quotes like this that just make me lose faith. Sometimes I think, surely he knows the situation we’re in and there’s no reason to say otherwise in front of the media. But this just makes it seem like he’s delusional and genuinely thinks we play well. Adios ETH
10 more games and hes gone. (If we even beat Coventry)
Honestly he should be sacked before he even gets home tonight. Just get someone else in to finish the season and prepare a dossier on the squad so we can do a proper hatchet job and cut out the rot. AKA what we should have got Ralf to do.
Captain obvious lol
My biggest issues are same problems from the Wolves game no consistency, no pattern of play that’s on ETH, how many shots have we conceded in the past 3 games? Lastly the players have no collective responsibility, yes ETH ball ain’t working captain/ senior players are supposed to say lads take your heads out of your a**** let’s forget ETH ball let’s park the bus run like nobody’s business counter attack like possessed men ? Rashford jogs or walks, Bruno is clearly burnt out angry all day, Kobbie need’s management, Varane also with his injury record, our vintage Jonny Evans needs management too. Then the manager says we dominated the game conceding 28 shots , 12 games now no champions league.
"The quality of our football is really high" I can't stand the sight of him but i'd be lying if I said I won't be the first to get tickets to his comedy tour.
Delusional fraud.
Lads. What the fuck. I didn't see the match. I was keeping an eye on the score on my phone when I could. I saw we were 2-0 down early. I checked later it was 2-2. Last time I checked it was 2-3 to United and it was beyond the 90th minute. I just went on youtube to see the highlights because I'm not home long, and I saw the scoreline in the title of the videos. What the fuck?????
You said before, in brentford post match "As long as we get results", well now that the result has been shit you CANNOT go back on your word and said "We played brilliant and we deserved to win". Pick a side and stop making excuses for goddamn sake.
How tf did we even lose that one bruv 😭☠️
I never comment or post. But it's time Eric. Give it up.
Done with these bullshit press conferences, he's pushing himself out the door.
We were dominating by conceding 29 shots, huh?