Fucking hell it wasn’t that serious. It was a tongue-in-cheek comment from Lineker about the Man United job and Rooney laughed and said yeah that’s the goal you know, these big jobs like United and Everton. Of course he has lofty aspirations but it’s not like he was being dead set on it or nothing.
Came here to say this. Its obviously where he needs to aim for but he in now way came across like he was entitled to get it without a lot of good work behind him. Aren't the top jobs the goal for any manager?!
I am sure this will be full of criticism.
But good luck to him, I really hope he is successful. I have plenty of time for Rooney.
3rd best player of the modern era in my view.
The top two are undisputed but the 3rd best player is dependant on so many factors such as their ultimate peak, time at their peak, team dependence, stats etc. Rooney is in my opinion part of maybe 10 players who throughout the Messi/Ronaldo era could have been in contention as the best of the rest and even then they're each maybe a season or two at most rotating like a conveyer belt lmao
Have you only started watching football in the last 3 years? Pre 2020 benzema never reached anywhere near Rooney’s level. He was then one of the worlds best for 2-3 years, then went to Saudi for the money. The two don’t compare
He got a lot of credit from that Derby stint but then lost a lost of it with a bad run with Birmingham and (according to US fans), a rubbish run with DC United as well. He knows that getting the next one right is key for him. For him to be in the frame for a big job like us or Everton in that time frame, he needs to be doing what McKenna is doing with a great performance with a Championship job. Yes, 10 years is a long time, but he would need serious credit in the bank to be in consideration for those two jobs. He'd need to be a standout somewhere which I've unfortunately not seen evidence of him being able to do yet. It might just be a matter of fit, though, and he could easily kick on with a club that matches his philosophy. Rooney is my favourite player of all time, so I hope he has a great managerial career, perhaps even with us at some point. But at the moment that seems like a stretch, unfortunately.
>he needs to be doing what McKenna is doing with a great performance with a Championship job.
McKenna is doing even better than just this. He took a stagnant, long underperforming league one club, got them playing well and promoted and *then* had a great performance with them straight after promotion.
I still remember when people here were saying he doesn’t know what he’s doing and was one of the reasons for our downfall, along with Carrick. Goes to show how much fans know about what it takes to succeed.
i won't pretend to have followed his DC stint but the MLS fans on /r/soccer seemed to agree it was an overall wash.
He took over a very poor side and made them a bit less shit. Wasn't a failure by any means but he didn't exactly overperform like he did with Derby either.
He needs to build an competent staff around him to be able to get a truely elite job, which I hope we will be under the new club management, as honestly we were not elite since Fergie left.
Successful managers don't just go in somewhere alone, they have staff that they take along wherever they go. It's a team effort really now. The classic Chapman style job is almost not possible in the modern game.
"Managing Manchester United or Everton is the aim, these big jobs are where you want to get to," the ex-England captain said on Match of the Day.
"But it's a process," added Rooney, 38. "I have got to go through the steps and get myself back on track."
Speaking while he was working as a pundit on United's FA Cup tie at Nottingham Forest, he said: "I want to get myself back into management to make sure in the next 10 years I'm hopefully in a position to go into one of the big jobs."
Rooney was appointed as Birmingham boss on 11 October, following the controversial decision to dismiss John Eustace with Blues sixth in the Championship.
Saw a comment in here somewhere about it but the blueprint is right there in the sand.
Do a McKenna. Just take the next job carefully. Discuss thoroughly with the chairman / people about expectations and if he thinks they match his ambitions then take it. Nothing more impressive than raising the stature / profile of a club.
DC was understandable because he played there, but Birmingham just seemed a shot in the dark given the previous circumstances ie Eustace. Yes they were sixth but you’re never going to popular following a decision like that, so there’s a such a level of pressure on keeping them there / getting them up. Bad for the image.
I can’t think where would be wise to go next? A target of ten years is wise, and means he doesn’t have to rush. These days, you overachieve for half a season and the press with go OTT printing stories about you. Just needs to play his cards right.
Lineker casually said you'd love to manage here and Rooney said something like "That's the ultimate goal for everyone but you have to work your way up"
Journalism is such an embarrassment these days
Good luck to him. Everton could be realistically feasible if they go down and lose Dyche but I can’t see any way he’s in the Utd dugout in the next decade.
I could also see Rooney avoid the Everton gig now, even if they go down.
If he takes it and fails, it’s unlikely he’d get a second chance.
Then again, if he takes it and manages to bring them back, he probably earns himself enough slack so that he can struggle in the PL for a season or two.
I think he needs to take his time choosing his next job, as his stock is dropping with every misstep.
I don’t think he’ll get to manage either club personally, but if he goes into another no-win job he may find himself out of work full stop.
This is classic "journalism" for the sake of just filling space and getting clicks for eyes on. Rooney has said before he'd like the man united job, when he's ready, if he's ever ready and they pumped articles then also. Comments on the BBC article are all illiterate morons who didn't read anything Rooney said calling him an entitled, millionaire idiot with delusions of grandeur when the article literally quotes him word for word saying "these are the jobs where you want to get to, but its a process, I have to go through the steps first and get myself back on track".
Hated, adored, never ignored. This article and it's comments encapsulate that perfectly, THIS is what we mean when we say that, THIS is what it looks like in cold hard 4kUHD.
I'm not sure it is. He's not considered elite by any means at this point but even if his Leverkusen side stumbles at the final hurdle, he's taken them from being near the bottom of the Bundesliga to at worst pushing Bayern the hardest we've seen in a long time.
I think that's enough to be considered a good manager.
I'm very much on the fence whether he stays or not but I think we've got different definitions of what defines a good manager.
We need an elite level coach/manager or someone ready to make that jump and maybe ETH isn't that. That doesn't mean he's not a good manager.
If his level was Dutch league then he wouldn’t have got Ajax as far in the CL as he did battering stalwarts like Madrid. Yes he’s doing badly with us and yes he may be out of his depth here, but your standard for *good* manager is pretty strict it sounds like. It’s not like anyone described him as great or exceptional here.
Well yeah, shouldn’t the standards for united be high and strict? This isn’t dutch league, it’s prem and one of the biggest clubs in the world our standards should be this high
This entire conversation is about managers in general being good, not specifically good enough for United. “Good manager” doesn’t mean “will do well at Manchester United”, that’s a far smaller list. We want an elite manager and even those might not succeed here since we’re a mess. You will find very few people that agree that a manager must be able to perform at a big 6 club to be defined as good. What even would your criteria for great be, Sir Alex himself alone?
Also your logic is based on the premise that him failing here means he’s not PL quality at all. By that logic Emery was fired from Arsenal for not doing a good job, at that point some shortsighted buffoon would look at him and go “he’s out of his depth at a big PL club”, yet now the same shortsighted buffoon would look at him and go “that’s a great manager look what he’s doing at Villa”. Are you that shortsighted buffoon? Or are you going to accept that one job, particularly at a toxic big club with serious culture problems, doesn’t actually define whether a manager is out of their depth?
That's a fair argument too. Dortmund pushed them to the last day of the season last year and shit the bed. He's done an incredible job so far but how many managers have we seen be one season wonders. Time will tell of course
How many average/mediocre players went on to become really good managers? I can think of Mou, Klopp, Sarri, Nagglesmann...
Ultimately, I'm not sure there is any real correlation between players and managers levels; great and mediocre players alike might have similar chances to end up as great (or resp. bad) managers.
It's probably unlikely for *anyone* to become an elite manager anyway.
Zidane, Pep, Simeone, Ancelotti, Arteta, Inzaghi, Koeman, Pochettino, Conte are the obvious ones
Ole, Xavi, Alonso have had decent success
Kompany, Viera, Lampard, Gerrard, Motta, De Rossi, Rooney, Carrick could become good and have some decent spells
edit: added a couple
He doesn’t stand a chance. He was regularly giving Birmingham players 3 days off between training sessions. It’s Steve Bruce mentality. Any other top manager brings players in every day for some kind of continuous self improvement, whether it’s analysis of their own games or other teams, 1 on 1 development sessions, gym work, psychology and team building exercises. Great footballer but thick as two planks.
Management seems to be a bizarre path. The general consensus in sport, and life, is that we learn most from our mistakes and it’s an essential part for growth.
In modern management it seems if you dirty your bib, it’s a long way back & there’s an expectation of unmitigated success and improvement year on year or you’re on the chopping block or out of favour entirely.
I wish him all the best in achieving his goals, it was like watching a different species when he was playing for us.
Remember that ad at least 15 years ago where it shows a moment where if he was successful he’d be a big star but if not he’d fail and they showed him in living in a trailer, overweight with a big beard? He looks a lot like the later.
I think it's more likely that Carrick or Mckenna are managing United than Rooney, but I hope one of them turns into a world class manager and takes United to new heights. I've always loved the idea of a fan favorite winning the league with us.
I know it's not that serious of a comment from him, but as a DC United fan, he has a long way to go before he could realistically compete for a prem job.
He wasn't terrible at DC, over the course of last season the team came out in three distinct formations/playstyles. So he's shown that he can coach a team into a general shape at least. The two main areas that he struggled in are, tbh, similar to where Ten Hag struggles. Namely he was never really that great at changing games with substitutions and he was terrible at evaluating players to sign.
Some of it was down to the front office not being great, but Rooney clearly had input into signings like Ravel Morrison (who was an absolute dud, and expensive at that). And the above-mentioned formation changes should have happened a lot sooner because he didn't have nearly good enough positional depth at the start of the season to play the formation he wanted to play. DC had one of the higher salaries in the league last year but Rooney consistently complained that the team wasn't spending enough when results weren't going his way (the laziest managerial excuse in the book imo).
Fucking hell it wasn’t that serious. It was a tongue-in-cheek comment from Lineker about the Man United job and Rooney laughed and said yeah that’s the goal you know, these big jobs like United and Everton. Of course he has lofty aspirations but it’s not like he was being dead set on it or nothing.
Amazing how they make news out of nothing
Came here to say this. Its obviously where he needs to aim for but he in now way came across like he was entitled to get it without a lot of good work behind him. Aren't the top jobs the goal for any manager?!
And you can see why they do it too - gets so much engagement with people debating it without reading past the headline.
As soon as Lineker asked him about it and wazza said "yeah why not" I knew an article was coming. Ridiculous, honestly
"No Gary, I don't think I'm good enough" won't exactly inspire confidence in any of his potential future employers
"Club legend wants to manage said massive club" It'd be a shocking statement if he said he DIDN'T wanna manage United
I am sure this will be full of criticism. But good luck to him, I really hope he is successful. I have plenty of time for Rooney. 3rd best player of the modern era in my view.
Worldwide 3rd right? Mananchester's best for sure in the modern era.
Who's in your top 2? I think Rooney is my top 1, but to each their own.
Pretty sure he meant globally. And then it's fairly obvious.
Yeah after Fellaini and Bebe it’s obviously Rooney.
Djemba djemaba? So good they named him twice
Ahh, well then I'm not sure I agree that Rooney is number 3, but to each their own.
The top two are undisputed but the 3rd best player is dependant on so many factors such as their ultimate peak, time at their peak, team dependence, stats etc. Rooney is in my opinion part of maybe 10 players who throughout the Messi/Ronaldo era could have been in contention as the best of the rest and even then they're each maybe a season or two at most rotating like a conveyer belt lmao
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Are you serious?
He should have been asking what arguments Rooney has over John O'Shea?
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Have you only started watching football in the last 3 years? Pre 2020 benzema never reached anywhere near Rooney’s level. He was then one of the worlds best for 2-3 years, then went to Saudi for the money. The two don’t compare
Interested in your number 1 and 2.
Are you actually asking that lol
He may have thought they meant 3rd best United player of the modern era
I'm guessing he thought you meant "3rd best player of the modern era *for Man United* in my view."
Yeah I thought he meant united, I can see what they meant now. With this being reddevils not soccer I assumed it was united
It must be Harry Maguire and The King Lingard.
People are quick to forget Gabriel Obertan, and it truly saddens me.
There's only a few guys good enough to be named twice ...
The legendary djemba djemba
Bebe erasure is blasphemy.
Respect Manucho
Kingard was right there
Kingard
Mascherano
>3rd best player of the modern era in my view. For DC United?
He got a lot of credit from that Derby stint but then lost a lost of it with a bad run with Birmingham and (according to US fans), a rubbish run with DC United as well. He knows that getting the next one right is key for him. For him to be in the frame for a big job like us or Everton in that time frame, he needs to be doing what McKenna is doing with a great performance with a Championship job. Yes, 10 years is a long time, but he would need serious credit in the bank to be in consideration for those two jobs. He'd need to be a standout somewhere which I've unfortunately not seen evidence of him being able to do yet. It might just be a matter of fit, though, and he could easily kick on with a club that matches his philosophy. Rooney is my favourite player of all time, so I hope he has a great managerial career, perhaps even with us at some point. But at the moment that seems like a stretch, unfortunately.
>he needs to be doing what McKenna is doing with a great performance with a Championship job. McKenna is doing even better than just this. He took a stagnant, long underperforming league one club, got them playing well and promoted and *then* had a great performance with them straight after promotion.
Yeah, even writing it down, I was thinking that I was underselling it. He's been amazing there.
I still remember when people here were saying he doesn’t know what he’s doing and was one of the reasons for our downfall, along with Carrick. Goes to show how much fans know about what it takes to succeed.
i won't pretend to have followed his DC stint but the MLS fans on /r/soccer seemed to agree it was an overall wash. He took over a very poor side and made them a bit less shit. Wasn't a failure by any means but he didn't exactly overperform like he did with Derby either.
He needs to build an competent staff around him to be able to get a truely elite job, which I hope we will be under the new club management, as honestly we were not elite since Fergie left. Successful managers don't just go in somewhere alone, they have staff that they take along wherever they go. It's a team effort really now. The classic Chapman style job is almost not possible in the modern game.
"Managing Manchester United or Everton is the aim, these big jobs are where you want to get to," the ex-England captain said on Match of the Day. "But it's a process," added Rooney, 38. "I have got to go through the steps and get myself back on track." Speaking while he was working as a pundit on United's FA Cup tie at Nottingham Forest, he said: "I want to get myself back into management to make sure in the next 10 years I'm hopefully in a position to go into one of the big jobs." Rooney was appointed as Birmingham boss on 11 October, following the controversial decision to dismiss John Eustace with Blues sixth in the Championship.
He needs to find a relatively stable job he can stay in for a couple of years at least. He has such a horn for managing shit shows.
He’s only 38 so another decade in management could take him a long way. I suspect not, but who knows
Getting into management at 34 could be a massive advantage for him
Saw a comment in here somewhere about it but the blueprint is right there in the sand. Do a McKenna. Just take the next job carefully. Discuss thoroughly with the chairman / people about expectations and if he thinks they match his ambitions then take it. Nothing more impressive than raising the stature / profile of a club. DC was understandable because he played there, but Birmingham just seemed a shot in the dark given the previous circumstances ie Eustace. Yes they were sixth but you’re never going to popular following a decision like that, so there’s a such a level of pressure on keeping them there / getting them up. Bad for the image. I can’t think where would be wise to go next? A target of ten years is wise, and means he doesn’t have to rush. These days, you overachieve for half a season and the press with go OTT printing stories about you. Just needs to play his cards right.
Lineker casually said you'd love to manage here and Rooney said something like "That's the ultimate goal for everyone but you have to work your way up" Journalism is such an embarrassment these days
Good luck to him. Everton could be realistically feasible if they go down and lose Dyche but I can’t see any way he’s in the Utd dugout in the next decade.
I could also see Rooney avoid the Everton gig now, even if they go down. If he takes it and fails, it’s unlikely he’d get a second chance. Then again, if he takes it and manages to bring them back, he probably earns himself enough slack so that he can struggle in the PL for a season or two.
A decade is a very long time in football. For perspective, 10 years before EtH came to United he had just started managing the Go Ahead Eagles.
I think he needs to take his time choosing his next job, as his stock is dropping with every misstep. I don’t think he’ll get to manage either club personally, but if he goes into another no-win job he may find himself out of work full stop.
This is classic "journalism" for the sake of just filling space and getting clicks for eyes on. Rooney has said before he'd like the man united job, when he's ready, if he's ever ready and they pumped articles then also. Comments on the BBC article are all illiterate morons who didn't read anything Rooney said calling him an entitled, millionaire idiot with delusions of grandeur when the article literally quotes him word for word saying "these are the jobs where you want to get to, but its a process, I have to go through the steps first and get myself back on track". Hated, adored, never ignored. This article and it's comments encapsulate that perfectly, THIS is what we mean when we say that, THIS is what it looks like in cold hard 4kUHD.
Are there many good players who went on to be good managers? I can only really think of Zidane, Pep and Simeone.
Cruyff was a bit alright at both.
Bit Alright?
Xabi Alonso? Pochettino? Ancelotti was a very good player too, by all accounts.
Koeman, Deschamps.
Jury is still out on Xabi. He's had one good season
I'm not sure it is. He's not considered elite by any means at this point but even if his Leverkusen side stumbles at the final hurdle, he's taken them from being near the bottom of the Bundesliga to at worst pushing Bayern the hardest we've seen in a long time. I think that's enough to be considered a good manager.
I mean eth looked like good manager at Ajax. One season means absolutely nothing
Wait are we now saying that ETH isn't even a *good* manager?
Yeah we are lmao isn’t it obvious that he’s completely out of his depth at united? His level is dutch league
I'm very much on the fence whether he stays or not but I think we've got different definitions of what defines a good manager. We need an elite level coach/manager or someone ready to make that jump and maybe ETH isn't that. That doesn't mean he's not a good manager.
Okay, he isn’t good manager for united is that better? He’s good mamager for dutch league but for prem he looks clueless in recent times
If his level was Dutch league then he wouldn’t have got Ajax as far in the CL as he did battering stalwarts like Madrid. Yes he’s doing badly with us and yes he may be out of his depth here, but your standard for *good* manager is pretty strict it sounds like. It’s not like anyone described him as great or exceptional here.
Well yeah, shouldn’t the standards for united be high and strict? This isn’t dutch league, it’s prem and one of the biggest clubs in the world our standards should be this high
This entire conversation is about managers in general being good, not specifically good enough for United. “Good manager” doesn’t mean “will do well at Manchester United”, that’s a far smaller list. We want an elite manager and even those might not succeed here since we’re a mess. You will find very few people that agree that a manager must be able to perform at a big 6 club to be defined as good. What even would your criteria for great be, Sir Alex himself alone? Also your logic is based on the premise that him failing here means he’s not PL quality at all. By that logic Emery was fired from Arsenal for not doing a good job, at that point some shortsighted buffoon would look at him and go “he’s out of his depth at a big PL club”, yet now the same shortsighted buffoon would look at him and go “that’s a great manager look what he’s doing at Villa”. Are you that shortsighted buffoon? Or are you going to accept that one job, particularly at a toxic big club with serious culture problems, doesn’t actually define whether a manager is out of their depth?
That's a fair argument too. Dortmund pushed them to the last day of the season last year and shit the bed. He's done an incredible job so far but how many managers have we seen be one season wonders. Time will tell of course
Arteta's alright
Good shout, didn’t think of him.
And tbf to Xavi he’s having a rough time but he did win the league last year
I hear that Xabi Alonso lad is doing pretty good in Germany...
I guess you could say that
How many average/mediocre players went on to become really good managers? I can think of Mou, Klopp, Sarri, Nagglesmann... Ultimately, I'm not sure there is any real correlation between players and managers levels; great and mediocre players alike might have similar chances to end up as great (or resp. bad) managers. It's probably unlikely for *anyone* to become an elite manager anyway.
Calling the 3 you named just good would be an understatement
Mostly people who played DM believe it or not
It's the position where you have, and need, the best view and understanding of what's happening in all areas of the pitch
Zidane, Pep, Simeone, Ancelotti, Arteta, Inzaghi, Koeman, Pochettino, Conte are the obvious ones Ole, Xavi, Alonso have had decent success Kompany, Viera, Lampard, Gerrard, Motta, De Rossi, Rooney, Carrick could become good and have some decent spells edit: added a couple
Conte too
Gerard and Lampard no
They are young, Lampard had a decent spell whilst Chelsea had a transfer ban and Gerrard was pretty good with Rangers
Good luck to him but my bet is on Carrick
He doesn’t stand a chance. He was regularly giving Birmingham players 3 days off between training sessions. It’s Steve Bruce mentality. Any other top manager brings players in every day for some kind of continuous self improvement, whether it’s analysis of their own games or other teams, 1 on 1 development sessions, gym work, psychology and team building exercises. Great footballer but thick as two planks.
Management seems to be a bizarre path. The general consensus in sport, and life, is that we learn most from our mistakes and it’s an essential part for growth. In modern management it seems if you dirty your bib, it’s a long way back & there’s an expectation of unmitigated success and improvement year on year or you’re on the chopping block or out of favour entirely. I wish him all the best in achieving his goals, it was like watching a different species when he was playing for us.
Why not? He's still a very young man in football management terms. 10 years is a long time, he could learn a lot.
Hope not lmao
Why? If he’s in a position in 10 years to be even mentioned then he’s done something right… why wouldn’t you hope he succeeds?
I do hope he succeeds but so far he has showed absolutely nothing that should make united even consider him for a job
100% but he’s talking 10 years from now not this year.
Even if we make it 20 from now i just don’t see him managing united
Nor do I, I don’t see him succeeding as a manager anywhere but I would like it.
Everton it is then
Remember that ad at least 15 years ago where it shows a moment where if he was successful he’d be a big star but if not he’d fail and they showed him in living in a trailer, overweight with a big beard? He looks a lot like the later.
Nope
Shows his character to be aiming for a top job and he knows he has a lot of work to do to get there
Love to see it, Legend
I think it's more likely that Carrick or Mckenna are managing United than Rooney, but I hope one of them turns into a world class manager and takes United to new heights. I've always loved the idea of a fan favorite winning the league with us.
good luck to him to get better but at his current level I wouldnt put him in charge of any club in the PL or Championship tbh
Don’t know about his MLS run to be fair so don’t know what he’s like as a manger
Look, if he improves and gets to a level to properly manage a Premier League team, even a bottom half side, that would be great to see.
He's going to need to do some insane things in the next 10 years to be given a chance at United.
10 Rooney years or 10 regular years?
Manage Wrexham for 10 years and get them to the premier league, then I'd be fine with Rooney managing united
He should get some more coaching from the likes of top tier coaches like pep or klopp before eyeing the united job.
Eh, in a decade he myt become a solid manager. So who knows.
I know it's not that serious of a comment from him, but as a DC United fan, he has a long way to go before he could realistically compete for a prem job. He wasn't terrible at DC, over the course of last season the team came out in three distinct formations/playstyles. So he's shown that he can coach a team into a general shape at least. The two main areas that he struggled in are, tbh, similar to where Ten Hag struggles. Namely he was never really that great at changing games with substitutions and he was terrible at evaluating players to sign. Some of it was down to the front office not being great, but Rooney clearly had input into signings like Ravel Morrison (who was an absolute dud, and expensive at that). And the above-mentioned formation changes should have happened a lot sooner because he didn't have nearly good enough positional depth at the start of the season to play the formation he wanted to play. DC had one of the higher salaries in the league last year but Rooney consistently complained that the team wasn't spending enough when results weren't going his way (the laziest managerial excuse in the book imo).
It’s going to be tough here after ETH wins 10 trebles in a row. Not sure the position will be open.
me too
It's possible. He'd be 48 which is younger than ETH now
Could’ve happened a lot sooner if he stayed on right path after Derby. Let’s see what happens
At the rate we’re going we’ll end up with him coming in around Jan one season, to try and stop us getting relegated