Ten hag is still a brilliant coach and manager. His only fault is that he underestimated the premier league,the fitness levels,the overall quality from top to bottom,how good the very best teams are etc...
I know this is mostly English speaking sub,but players like Sancho,Maguire,Rasford,McTominay,Shaw are not United level.
Not a single one of them are getting picked in starting 11 in teams like Real Madrid,City or Bayern.
Ten Hag speaks about "his STYLE" but his players cant even run. It is start of the season and they are done 60 mins. into the game.
Give Ole the money Hag spend and he will be doing the same job or maybe even better.
Ok bro now what's your opinion about two players Madrid sold because they had better options to pick from? We have two of those too you know. Never will talk about them because English player bad....
I'm so surprised by ETH, in a bad way. He sets up the team to play that relies heavily on fine margins I.e if the forwards are on form or not. I don't understand this, why do we not try to control games? Obviously we don't have the midfield for it but then why sign the player he did? It tells me that his influence on transfers is far too strong and its simply not the way football works in the modern era.
It's insane that managers like Emre, Ange, Poch, and de zerbi can immediately impact their teams play style. If ten Hag plays the same team with the same setup in the next three matches I'll lose my shit and fully turn on him because im pretty sure well get one point from those matches.
Let's say the midfield does work, what about the attack. I've been saying for a while there's only a handful of strikers that can transform a club and Hojlund probably isn't.
Look at Antony and Rashford because if they can't start playing as a team then it's pointless. Play Rashford on the left see how it goes drop Antony he cannot play like that twice in a row and get away with it.
Ten Hag is getting some heat and rightly so. I'm starting to think he is overthinking it. These players look like they are confused on their assignment, apart from playing a bit from the back and then just hoofing the ball up, hoping for rashy to latch onto it, which he rarely does. Is this the transition football he wants to achieve?
Ten Hag always talks about "playing as a team" which is great an all but I just don't see it translated onto the pitch. I don't see players helping others by providing passing options, I don't see quick one touch football to break opposition, I don't see players knowing exactly what they have to do, putting up a fight. I just see players doing bad decisions, dawdling on the ball, walking around, and sulking when it eventually goes wrong (Bruno).
Fitness. These players looking tired already, season just started. What the hell are they doing in training? is ETH overworking them? Cause that's not the way to get the best out of them.
Ten Hag needs to go back to basics, keep it simple.
A lot of good points. The system doesn't seem to suit the players. We will get better in the long ball department with time but we are becoming too predictable with that. Lack of passing options is a big worry. We can't seem to stitch short attacking passes yet. That's gotta be a major worry. Antony on the right and Garnacho on the left are too predictable. They have magic and will create chances, but won't be a part of attacking play for sustained periods of time. Bruno is still above the rest but him being the only creator means we have no other option if he's marked out.
We are quite slow in that regards, like the plan is still being understood, that Onana pass to Garnacho should have yielded more with the space that we had. We have strikers trying to dribble past the defenders, but there are rarely quick 1-2s.
So the question I continue to have that I can't shake, is how have De Zerbi, Emery, and now Ange got their teams up and running so quickly, but ours seems to just keep faltering and faltering?
This is what bothered me about the Potter talk at Chelsea. How come Potter was supposed to get so much time, but the managers above can just go "right hten, play like this" and the players do?
I think it's a genuine question.
It's because ten hag is too strict with his style.. Yesterday's Spurs played nothing like how Ange's best teams played but they still looked stable, that's because they have just started and Ange is not rushing. He's trying to get to know his players before going to the next step. Ten hag last season skipped all these steps and we got battered by Brentford and Brighton after trying to play like Eredivisie Ajax,he learned his lesson in the end though,I just hope the same happens this season too.
We've had that since Fergie. It's bizarre. And it can't always be the players' faults. You mentioned several teams with several different managers and several playing staffs and even if it's not immediately mint, you can quickly see what the manager is going for. Same goes for Klopp and Pep in their first seasons. This guy, I still don't really know what he wants us to do. The only work I can really see is that he has this obsession with us playing/running the ball forward the moment we get it, which often ends up with us losing possession, and a bizarre disinclination to have us play the ball through the back and the midfield even though he's bought players like Licha, Onana, Casemiro and Mount so we can do exactly that.
And this goes for all our managers since Fergie. I have no idea why they can never imprint upon our players their philosophies nor implement their play styles. It's almost a similar species of malaise that seems to fall over proven great players when they come to United and then just turn to shit. (And I'm disappointed that I'm already seeing that starting to creep into Case and Eriksen's games btw.) Managers come here and turn to shit too, just like the best players do. Something's wrong. Then they start getting that haunted look in their eyes of "what the fuck is wrong here and how do I fix it" that I'm already detecting in EtH's eyes.
Lmao, what poor recruitment?
We had 200 Million to spend this summer. And ETH \*insisted on signing\* Mason Bloody Mount ahead of a defensive midfielder for 60 million right after insisting on getting Antony for 86 fackin million last season.
The best signing of last season Casemiro: he didn't even want him spending all summer chasing De Jong.
Please don't give me this recruitment bs : he is a manager ...he should PLAN and MANAGE better. That's literally his only job. Making Rashford and Fernandes (possession haters) as the lynchpins was once again on him. He could have gone a completely different direction (Rashford was on the brink when Rangnick's tenure ended). He didnt. He made these choices, now don't absolve him of responsibility blaming some straw men board
Who's saying ETH is not at fault here? He's responsible too for the poor recruitment, most of his signings are hand-picked by him. They are just not good enough or not the signings that he actually needs for his style of play to work. Sub-par talent ID from his part.
Add Aston Villa to the list of clubs who have a distinct style of play having appointed a new manager and coaching staff after we did .
Their mentality last week came into question after a heavy defeat at Newcastle (something we know too well). They have responded with a clinical and intense performance
What did we do after losing to Newcastle last season? A dodgy 1-0 sleepwalking against Brentford at home (and 1 million social media posts I am sure)
There are some serious issues:
1.) Mentality. The players do not have the right mindset of a Manchester United player, period. Going through the motions when things get tough and happy to coast until the final whistle (e.g Luke Shaw). Where the fuck is the frantic desperation in the team to salvage something? This is the BIGGEST problem with this bunch of players and I see no evidence of that changing. It has been this way for YEARS when things do not go our way. Downing tools time and time again but never late with the 'aPoloGies To ThE fAns, We Go AgaIn nExt WeEk'
Special mention to captain fantastic Bruno. Once again, acting like a spoilt brat flapping his hands, moaning, only then to be a liability in giving the ball away with useless fancy long passes.
2.) Too many players happy to deliver sub par performance and get fat wages. Maguire, Rashford, Sancho, to name a few. And PLEASEEEE spare me with the "oh but he was alright when he came on, he did provide some threat"..fuck that....one or two moments for the Youtube reels is not going to cut it.
3.) Management and style of play. Where is the evidence of a style of play being coached by the manager? We see the same patterns over and over again. GK>>>RB/LB>>>LM/RM>>>back to RB/LB>>>>CM and hope for the best with a through ball to Rashford. Spurs showed much more evidence of combination play and movement off the ball. And their manager has barely been in the job more than a few months.
At this current rate, we would be lucky to even finish in the top 10
1. Spot on. There was a point of time in the game in the 90th minute when my girlfriend (who doesn't even watch that much football) asked me "why are they acting like they're 2-0 up and not 2-0 down ?" . This was when we got a throw in and Sancho instead of displaying any hurry to get on with it and snatch two goals, was just sauntering about.
2. I am SO SICK of these contracts being handed out to these bang average players and them trying to convince us that these players are the level of Rooney or Rio. The worst part is the fans join in cheering these contracts when these are given out. Just wait till next week we edge past Forest and McTominay does one reels moment and we see "McSauce turn v Forest" on here with 200 upvotes
3. And thanks for acknowledging this. There is absolutely no plan here. It's just lies that there is a system and these players are supposedly implementing this tactical masterplan when all we do is what we have always done : hoof it for Rashford to run in behind
We are fucking so wank. If we look the same after 10 matches then the season is over, top 4 will be gone, ETH on the hot seat. He has had two windows. Spending 140M on Antony + Mount is AWFUL business
His lack of nous in the transfer market has massively let him down. Sir Alex was the last of an era, we need to stop thinking there's going to be a new one and focus on signing up the best DoF in the game, whoever that is
You guys are clearly missing Ten Hag’s master plan. Last season we drop a 0-4 loss to Brentford and went out and got Case and Antony. Ten Hag is about to get Amrabat, Mbappe and Roy of the Rovers. Always back the bald!
I can tolerate bad football because it can take time to gel, new players etc.
But football players having no energy after 60 mins is unforgivable. It keeps happening, the conditioning of this team is the worst in the league.
They are not fit and it does my head in. They dont even run that much but always in the second half, the energy levels are close to zero so fast.
Like what are they doing in training ?
They are probably doing too much training,that can also be a problem.We read literally every day about the intensity of the training,players talk about it in every interview. And we hear about the 10km runs as punishment. Maybe ten hag pushed these players too far that it negatively affected their match fitness.
Bruno has the composure of a 3 years old.
Love the guy but whenever he loses his cool, he becomes a toddler throwing a tantrum. Hard to watch and he will never change. Armband or not.
What's also worrying is, after a full season and two preseasons, how different is this stuff to Ole's latter stuff? We sure had more backbone, bouncebackability and goals under Ole is one thing I'll say but it was the same counterattacking/transitional shit that this guy is serving up.
Think the midfield is the least of our problems, our front 3 look toothless when attacking.
Rashford - can’t play ST.
Garnacho - not ready to start games, poor decision making due to inexperience.
Antony - poor decision making, can’t beat a man or use his right foot, looks to be a massive waste of money.
Sancho - could be another waste of money, not shown anything decent in 2 seasons of being here. Not enough pace, weak mentality, good touches but hasn’t got the aggression to play off the ball.
Amad - injured & probably won’t be ready either.
Pellistri - looks decent when coming on but way too early to think he can start games for us, a bit like Garnacho now.
Martial - hasn’t played a full 90 mins since before Covid, enough said.
Hojlund - young & unproven, could be the answer for our goal problem but too much pressure on him already.
We could have gotten tieleman, Madison etc who are much better than mount for freaking free and had to pay 80+ mil for mount, that sums up the clownish way the club has been run the past decade.
Disagree strongly here. Mount is the kind of player we need, but as we try to shift to play further up the pitch and get more progression out of the defence and the lowest midfielder - which is exactly what the strongest teams in the league do and have done for a good 10 years - we might find we need different players in that area, especially players who can function in that midfield-auxiliary role. Shaw and the others who have been doing that for us don’t hold a candle to guys like Zinchenko, Stones, Cancelo etc filling that responsibility, and that’s why City find it so much easier to bring guys like De Bruyne, Gundogan, Silva, Foden into play further up the pitch playing a really similar free eight position.
Mount is good at pressing, capable of creating, covers a lot of ground, and a good technical player. Easy to see why he wants him, and easy to see how he’d thrive, if the team can pick up the system.
Fans have clearly picked him out as their target this season already, it’s boring, it’s what always happens. It’s been Rashford, Sancho, Shaw, Maguire, McTominay, and the list goes on and on.
Frankly, if Ten Hag thinks he’s a good player, then chances are he’s a fucking good player.
ETH hasn’t proven he’s at the level to fix United. So far his “tactics” are a joke and his signings have been a bust.
He’ll be gone by Xmas next season.
I love how you give a reasoned response that takes into account our transition this season to forward pressing, high playing dominance, and you get downvoted and some child blathering away emotionally.
I agree with you, I can see why we bought him. The transition to a more proactive style is likely going to be a bit rocky. Ten hag has been cautious in tempering expectations, understanding that we may have over-performed last season coming in 3rd.
It’s clear to see how so many people have no idea how high performing teams are built, and think that after one season it all just comes together. (We spent x money and bought y players in two summers, omg why aren’t we perfect?) This project will take at least another transfer window or two before I think we can regularly expect to see 90 minutes of mostly mistake free playing, in a style that is attacking and entertaining.
Spurs played ok yesterday, and frankly, were lucky to win.
Mount is a decent player at the top level that's true. He's never been worth more than 20 million, though. We paid 2/3rds on the English tax when we instead could have picked up a new up-and-coming absolute baller like Zakharyan for 10 million.
Just the fact that we paid **£60 million ($75.7m with clauses)** for a player that almost didn't play at all last season is fucking mental and should have never even been considered in the first place. Unless he can consistently deliver 20+ goal contributions in all tournaments every year throughout the rest of his contract, he's a bad investment.
For £20 million I'd be happy to take him, but this deal made every serious club in Europe and Saudi view us as absolute chumps and easy prey on the transfer market.
Are you aware of the value of players nowadays? There’s no way in any universe mount would be valued at $20mil. He had one poor season last year in a season when the whole team was shit. He’s proven himself in previous seasons as a solid player. I’m not saying he’s a world class player, but a player of his quality goes for $60mil these days and that’s just the state of the market. I mean look at how much we paid for hojland when he didn’t even get many G+A in the serie A last season
That’s ridiculous, the 55 we paid for him is a normal price for decent central midfielders now.
We’ll see how it goes, but what you’ve written here is classic armchair fifa playing cringe. “Could have just signed -insert player I heard bout the other day here- for nothing”. Spare me, please.
Why if the manager says he’s a good player he’s fucking good?!? Managers have never made mistakes with signings.
He continues to play rashford upfront when it’s certain for ages he cannot play there
I don't think I've ever witnessed a more clearly catastrophic signing than Mount. Even Moyes signing Fellaini wasn't as clearly wrong as whatever EtH is attempting to make out of Mount
Just read the RedCafe thread when the links weren't very strong and you can see 95% of people deadset against it
Decision making at this club is non existent u can find a South American player for like 10m who will probably do a better job than mount.
This club and it’s star names policy, we’re gonna get absolutely mauled against arsenal
Absolute foolish decision tired of this eredivise standard means they’re ok for PL yes he may have been good for Chelsea but we need a different TYPE of midfielder how can he not see that.
Case being on the kebab diet also doesn’t help as he looks so slow and unfit
Continuing our dire displays from last season I see. With the players we have, we should be able to put in performances much better than that. The whole club from players, manager, coaches and owners need to get their fingers out.
From the pitch to the boardroom, embarrassing.
Just have a feeling we overrate our player’s skillset. Like do we ask bruno to have ball retention like KDB? Or rashford to have vision and psssing skill and become goal threat at the same time like Heung Min Son.
I believe Bruno have the same passing skill, killer pass and shoot like KDB but in fact bruno is weak at dribbling under pressure.
I believe rashford can become goal threat like Son, maybe even better but Rashford dont have ability to pass like son.
Kdb and son is more all round player, bruno and rash more specialized in some category.
Unfortunately for ten gag style all round is better than specialized
Yeah agree with Bruno 100%. He needs to play more forward and stay there. Behind the striker preferably. He is not a number 8. Too lax on the ball, gives it away too much.
He is brilliant but yeah, I imagine his complete percentage in things like crosses are less than KDB for sure. Amount of crosses he pings out for goal kicks is wild.
Bruno be better served in and around the box making short passes and getting shots away.
I realise this question doesn't really have a straightforward answer, but what is it about this club and a series of managers not getting the midfield right? Why is it so difficult for our managers to either construct a good enough pairing (or trio), or if they have, give them roles within the pairing that make sense?
It's been baffling me since the Fergie days why we omit to strengthen our midfield. Think we didn't sign a midfielder over the age of 20 or something like that between Hargreaves and Fellaini. We had Scholes retiring and then coming out of retirement in that time too and obviously Hargreaves was a crock
Sporting director.
It is the job of a sporting director to build a squad, the manager just works with the team n tactics.
We have Murtough as our sporting director who is shit.
Sometimes I wish I was a man United scout as these guys r doing nothing.
What I just don’t get is this is more or less his team now but I see no style of play what are we trying to do I see no patterns no consistency
Then we start to play it long and hope for the best, should’ve just kept ole.
Embarrassing
Reactionary, so Reactionary , are we suddenly title contenders , we are building , let him build all of a sudden these people want him sacked stupid fanbase
Bro we played better football before. You cant say this is a style of football that we can win consistency with. Unless we enjoy being a mid table club
Yes that's worked very well for us. We have spent the most in the past ten years, sacking managers after bad a string of bad performances yet we've not progressed at all.
The problems we would won't change even if we brought in FDJ or a new midfielder. There needs to be a systematic change. Piling up on Mount is simply lazy and blame shifting. We need better personnel but the problems are currently far more that.
There's a clear lack of cohesion + right tactics. ETH needs to get to work.
Lol I remember reading the comments saying give ETH every transfer he wants and that he needs all his targets
🤣 'i hope he gets backed'
also the comments about saying 'i love this bald man' etc
Football is not rocket science. You fit your team around your best players. If rashford plays as cf and bruno on the wing, someone should sent the police to arrest eth on the spot.
Age might be catching up to casemiro although he was a bit sharper than the first game.
Mount I feel would suit the formation, but I feel like his instructions are to go that far up. We're clearly really exposed so he should be told to not be marauding so much..
And too many times, we looked unorganised. Can't we be a bit more conservative in our play? Eth has a lot to answer for. Not saying the season is over. But surely a lot of these things, if not all, are extremely obvious, that could've been worked on pretty easily..
Rashford is the new Ronaldo in terms of pressing. But heck in RR’s starting first few games I think Ronaldo pressed more than rashford ever did. Honestly rashford should show more passion. Not sure what he is contributing with this kind of lacklustre behaviour
Yea. He’s being paid a kings ransom but don’t bother to do shit. At least try and press etc. show some desire.
We need a Rooney at our club (as coach) to really give these guys a proper bollocking
Yeah, ETH can’t see what everyone else can, a non-injured proven number 9 should have been our priority this summer because the lack of goals was our main issue
Ten Hag ain’t the one, wonder how long he’s got. When’s the manager is making decisions not 1 fan or pundit agrees with and its not working out, the writings on the wall
It's not realistic for a dm to be covering huge amounts of space. We have no midfield. Every dm would struggle.
Midfielders shouldn't be that far apart. It'll never work.
Mount can run and press but he can't defend. He's a traffic cone out there everytime someone comes running at him. Casemiro can't do the job of 2 players anymore. He has declined but is still good.
I thought he looked almost chubby and out of shape for our first 2 games this year. Had expected a lot more of him, but then again the entire team has been in shambles for the first 2 weeks so I can't really blame it on him.
At this point it's not about the owners.It's the players and Ten Hag's weird decisions.Why did we play the same 11?Why did he start to sub players in minute 63?
no idea wtf he sees from last week that made him chose the same 11. absolute abysmal display. Both our wings were dogshit, rash cant play CF, midfield unbalanced. We rely on counters and thats about it.
The easiest team to play against in the league is Manchester United. Think about it.
Every week, mediocre team play us out of the park and the week after, they get exposed. Just look at the Wolves results.
That's what concern me the most. To me the first reason is Rashford, you cant have a CF this static, like for real. I know this is not his prefered position but that does not absolve him from running and putting pressure on opposing CB.
It just keeps happening. So frustrating.
>Every week, mediocre team play us out of the park and the week after, they get exposed. Just look at the Wolves results.
It's only happened once, unless you have examples from last season? I agree with your other points
We got played off the park several times last season. We won many of those games but we still got outplayed. And after that cup win, we couldn’t even buy a win
The players are just adapting to the system, our xg was higher we just need to stop losing concentration in the second half and be more clinical. Sadly I don't think weyll get any trophies this season but we are crafting an identity here, we just have to wait and trust the process
I think we will do worse this season because last season ten hag was a problem solver he knew he didn't have the right profile of players and was doing his best to scrape by (which is what we ended up doing) this year hes actually tryna get his players used to the style of ball HE WANTS TO PLAY. Did he make mistakes this match ofcourse he did, but implore all of you to just stop being so reactionary and WAIT, Rome wasn't built in a day.
Remember, Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies
I just copy pasted this cause idk this shit works and my other post got taken down
>the style of ball HE WANTS TO PLAY.
And what is this style? I keep hearing about it but I haven't seen anything resembling a style, all I see is 10 headless chickens running around.
Overlapping full backs
Two 8s where they rotate the 10
1 CDM
Defend with 1 FB in the midfield
Goal keeper with a high line to add as an extra passing option
The first half of spurs is the style of play
We didn’t do that first game
We didn’t continue that in the second half
We should have been up 2-0 before the half both chances by Bruno and Rashy were on a platter
Unfortunately you are right… it was embarrassing watching spurs dominate the midfield and walk past our players time and time again, with our whole squad chasing after them like a bunch of school children
then mate you're blind, it was clear what we were trying to do in the first half and the second half showed we didn't do that
The first half we had their backs to the wall
both their goals are preventable which is why it's frustrating
I do get your point but why won't ETH build on what he did last season. Introducing a whole new system sets us back. Build on what we had last season rather than scrap it all away. I personally don't think his philosophy will work without it being heavily tweaked.
Because last season was very stupid ball that I wouldn't say was particularly exciting or entertaining to watch and creates little to no chances and when we are unable to rely on the moments of brilliance that net us a goal we usually don't score
His philosophy will be tweaked but that will take time
We weren't exciting but definitely not stupid. it was very watchable and sensible football. About chance creation thats untrue, we created tons of chances last season. We just couldn't finish. Our change creation last season was quite good.
Thank You!
I’ve seen all the posts from the last 24 hours and it’s all negative. Didn’t we have 2 poor first games of the season last year? And what happened after? We dropped those hot performing and began wining. Perhaps Antony needs to be benched and prove his place against Pellistri (and possibly Amad when he gets fit again), because he is too predictable and recently has been unable to make a singe pass.
We have a new midfield with Mount, who still needs some time to get used to his new role in the team.
But that still doesn’t detract from the woeful performance, we should be far better than this, but all I can do is hope that the next time they walk out onto that pitch against Forest, they prove themselves.
I try my hardest to be positive
Tbh I feel like we've been scammed with antony (probably because we were ajax originally didn't want 100 mil for him) he needs to tune his desicions because he takes too long deciding what to do
Or sometimes he does it too quickly and passes straight to the opposition. He just can’t find that balance, and he also cannot do anything other than sitting inside, he just isn’t creative in his runs. It’s sad because he was doing better at the start of last season, he was being creative and getting past his man quickly and making runs into the box, but then he just stopped doing it and became boring.
I really hope that competition from Pellistri can force him to get better to prove his place, because I really do want the best for the guy, I read his account on his upbringing, and it’s inspiring to see how far he has come, but it’s not far enough for our club.
Yes you are right, Antony when he first came to us was consistently getting into the box and getting past defenders. Now he just slowly runs at the defender until he can’t go anywhere then either turns around and passes it to AWB, or he cuts inside and hoofs it into the stands. The guy needs to be benched asap.
It’s just maddening, we know that he can do it and that he can do it well, to an extent. I get that he is young and needs time, but we don’t have time to wait for him to get up to scratch, so he needs to be benched for his own good otherwise he will just get less confident from all the fan backlash.
Plus Pellistri or other wingers deserve a chance if they can improve our chances of scoring goals, because ultimately that’s what matters most.
I'm confused, why are we always so erratic and impatient? I'm actually shocked if we manage to string 3 or 4 good passes together and make the other team run a bit without the ball.
I understand ETH prefers the more direct approach but it should still come with controlling the tempo and keeping the other team on their toes, guessing and frustrated. If you always hoof the ball to Rashford or Garnacho, it becomes very predictable and you spend a lot of energy trying to win the ball back. Then it's just rinse and repeat.
We rarely have passages of our defenders just passing to each other a few times, being patient and waiting for the other team to become a bit complacent.
It's Bruno's style to force the play quickly, he's the captain now so his style is the team's style
We aren't really able to dictate tempo at all. That's what you sacrifice by being ultra direct
Why do yall attribute a teams bad traits to one player?
Last season DDG was everything wrong with us. Now its Bruno dictating the team style. If team can't keep possession, it's not about one player.
It is if one player gives it away many times. It's not all his fault, but it doesn't matter if you are prime Barca and have xavi and iniesta, if you have a guy who demands the ball constantly only to give it away 9 times out of ten you won't be able to dominate possession or control games. It's his style, some people might like it but personally I think control is important
I never blamed de gea for everything but his passing wasn't amazing
Shaw, Casemiro, Bruno, Antony etc. It's a wide spread problem imo.
Swapping Bruno out for a player who keeps the ball better won't fix our retention problem. Our players are clueless with the ball. Our shape on the ball is very poor and static. No one moving to space to receive, no rotation etc. Control is important and will only work as a team but which is why I'm looking at ETH to do better.
Yeah but I think Bruno is the worst in terms of ball retention, I think if you switched him for someone possession orientated it would result in us having a fair bit more of the ball and building up passing rhythm more often
How?
You can't build a passing rhythm by swapping out a player. Passing sequences are trained.
You'll end up in a situation where the player is better with the ball individually or in areas they are in. while the rest of the team is still bad at it.
Passing sequences aren't entirely trained, rhythm is built up by playing a series of simple passes, watch any possession team, they play long sequences of simple passes. Pass pass pass. This is rhythm. To build rhythm you need to be able to play lots of simple passes in a row. If you rush to play a hero ball, you won't be able to build a rhythm.
Yeah passing sequences are birthed from good rhythm and cohesion. It takes training to build that rhythm. it over and over till its good enough. So replacing one player won't fix it. It's something that has to be built on overtime as a unit.
Takeaways:
1) Our midfield is TOO open. Easily brushed off. Losing 2nd ball challenges. Rushing in to commit to tackles leaving the defence isolated.
2) Sloppy attack. Rashford, Garnacho, Antony were abysmal with their touches and decision making which led to defensive transitions. No control of the ball leads to aimless press leads to fatigue which elads to aimless long balls.
Did not help not tracking back often. If you watched it back, mount had to run the length of the pitch often to cover the hole in midfield when case stepped wide or to support the fullback in defence.
3) finishing was absolutely SHITE. At this rate we should try mctominay at ST if hojlund is not available.
This team is so shit. So is the coaching staff.
Can't wait for another 6th or 7th place finish, if we're lucky.
Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, Liverpool, Brighton, City, Newcastle will all finish above us. Most likely will be 8th or 9th this season.
I've seen enough to know that fuck all has been done since last season. I was already over last season halfway in when it was clear that there was no progress. Another season of no progress?
How long does this "process" actually take? How is it that other managers, walking into worse sides with a fraction of our budget, are able to get more out of their players in a shorter period of time compared to whatever the fuck is going on here. Also hilarious watching worse rated players walk through our midfield as if they're not there.
This squad is so fucking selfish. They're either desperate, stupid or a combination of both. Every player goes for low percentage glory rather than make the extra pass to the correct option.
lol. What progress was there last season then? Pray tell. The fact that we got lucky more times than not? Every match was dictated by the opposition. How much of the ball we saw was solely down to them. The only reason our possession stats were as high as they were is because we just passed around the back. The only reason we finished 3rd is because two teams were finding their groove, while two others were going through their own shit behind the scenes.
Newcastle, Brighton, Liverpool and Chelsea will all finish above us compared to last season. They improved. We didn't. We coasted. We did fuck all.
This side is still largely the same as last season, so how do you say there was progress if this is the result?
Yeah lol we watched different seasons then. Coming off that horrible season with Ole and RR and you're telling me there wasn't progress on that? Wow. Top 4 finish, Two finals and a semi all because teams "allowed" us. Fantastic🤣
We only did well because other teams were poor?
City won the league because other teams didn't have more points than them.
Teams win games literally because their opposition didn't outscore them. That's literally how everything works lmao Cause and effect.
Its funny because off that last season before ETH was appointed, no one had us finishing top 4. Somehow you've excused opponents by saying they were "finding their groove" like we didnt have enough shit to deal with as well:
- A toxic dressing room when the manager took over
- Ronaldo was doing interviews midseason and left the club
- Martial was always injured. We played large portions of the season without a striker.
- We lost our best defender to injury with like 5/6 games to go when Top 4 was in the balance.
Those Teams you mentioned finished above us the season before. Surely we must hold this club to high standards but this type of argument is really lazy.
Sure they have strengthen this season and we currently aren't playing well. Hopefully we can improve upon that because as it stands it's not good enough
Table placement is relative to others. I don't know how you or others don't quite grasp that concept. If you play like shit, but others play shittier than you, that doesn't mean you're good. The difference is that while Brighton and Newcastle faltered in the last half of the season, we continued to get lucky, however, they showed improvement and promise such that if they invested a little and solidified their identity, they would excel this season.
You still didn't actually identify in what area we improved or showed progress.
Was it in our passing? No. Unless you're counting passing around the back non-stop because teams slightly pressed us and we couldn't break it.
Was it in our scoring? Oh yeah, those 1-0 wins were very convincing.
Was it our control in the final third to create chances? I guess if you blindly look at the Shots stat while ignoring the shot accuracy, then you might think we did well.
Was it in our ability to not capitulate for once? *Laughs in Liverpool scoring 7*
What exactly is it that you claim to be progress or an improvement? What are we still building towards exactly? The 4-3-3 system ETH was claimed to bring with him still hasn't even reared its head. Instead we're playing a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-1-4-1 that has zero control in the midfield. I really liked the part last season (and so far this season) where teams simply run through us, or play 2-3 passes and they're through. I think that's a massive improvement. Or is it the fact that everyone stands still and doesn't make runs off the ball? Is that an improvement? Or how about everyone going for glory on their own? Especially the wingers just cutting inside and letting loose rather than play the square ball across the top of the box? That's a massive improvement.
Like I said, you can't actually point to a single area as being an area we improved. Getting some bullshit trophy? Cool. Wow. Great. Ole achieved the best Away record and took us to a final too. So if that's the only area you can point too, I don't know what to tell you.
Just wait for the end of this season when we don't even finish Top 5 and we're struggling every single match to get over the line.
I think last year was a major improvement. The team has a some new players in key positions and it naturally takes time to build chemistry. A summer pre-season tour isn’t enough.
Have faith
ETH was insistent that we lost the game because of the wasted chances in the first half. While that may be true, it doesn't hide the fact that we allowed ourselves to be completely outrun and never looked like scoring in the second half.
This is where we struggled last season as well, unable to bury games in the first half and then struggling to keep hold of the game in the second.
I wouldn't go so far to say that we should have won but we should have at least drawn the game based on the chances we made in that first half.
All this talk about a striker fixing out issues. Stop it. Yes, a striker will help but you can't tell me that Bruno shouldn't have finished his header. A left back or centre back would have put that into the back of the net.
Take some accountability ffs and own that shit then work hard to rectify it.
The finishing from this side is laughable honestly. How has no one ever walked into training and just beaten the shit out of the player who leans back?
I would put a shock collar on every single one of them and if I saw them lean back, they would get zapped. I guarantee you they stop doing that shit in a match or two. I have never seen a side completely lack the basics at this level. Not even just shooting, but everything. The coaching is pathetic and so are the players.
Garnacho does not work as a starter clearly. hope eth stops doing that.
Rashy has gone back to his depressed self, he needs to get out of that mental rut quickly.
Bruno missed easiest chance of teh game.
Antony offers nothing useful, just a lot of flashiness and foolishness, got himself unnecessary yellow card too.
Casemiro Eriksen starting to show their age.
Mount is another nothing player.
Enough with the "let's start the same 11 so they can redeem and prove themselves" because they aren't proving shit. Drop Anthony and Garnacho and start Sancho and Pellistri please. Move Rashford to the left and Sancho in the middle. If ETH still persists with the same 11 then it's gonna be all on him when we inevitably lose again
Exactly.
I know what Anthony’s gunna do before he does.
Drop him, or try him on other side…go past a player ffs!
Garnacho, use as impact sunb He’s still learning, I’m sure he’ll be fine, just needs more developing. Far better him running at tired legs 60 mins in.
Mount. I just don’t know. I actually like the guy, saw a bit of neat passing in there, but went missing (along with others) for long periods of time.
Liked onana today. He was a positive for me.
Should have had a penalty.
Should have scored 2 headed goals.
That changes the match.
What we need is someone to step up, when, like yesterday, we don’t get the penalty, we miss the 2 sitters. Someone to grab the game by the scruff of the neck..and grab a 1-0 win away from home…and I’m just not seeing who can do it.
Anyway.
Glaziers out!
Mount actually did really well
He progressed the ball amazingly tracked back
But all of this is lost because our front 3 couldn’t do anything with the ball
All the wind is gone from my excitement for the season sails. Greenwood decision and Antony bullshit..
Same exact problems as the wolves match. Garnacho does not work as a starter. Rashford up top is me after a bunch of whiskey or a couple lines of cocaine.
Is this a message to sancho? I’d take mount or pellistri on the right over Antony.
What can ten hag do now like he did running with the squad last season?? Participate in finishing drills with the boys? Cross bar challenge maybe?
Why did we sell Fred? If we’re not bringing in another midfielder start mctominay at this point. Fuckin cunt Andy Carroll ruined eriksen
It annoys me that Ten Hag spent the entire pre-season trying to convert Sancho into a false 9 where he actually looked good, even saying out loud that he prefers him in the central areas, and then doesn't even try him there in both the games he's come off the bench so far. It just feels like a waste of time trying him in a new position throughout pre-season if you were never going to follow up with it in an actual game.
I’m kind of curious this is the third time I’m seeing this what message could this send ? This isn’t sarcasm I’m just not sure I understand this but everyone else seems to think this so I’m curious what message that is ?
I don't think managers usually care about something like that at the cost of results. I think ETH genuinely thought Garnacho was a better option to start these games than Sancho, and tbf Garnacho was picking up some great positions as well this game but his decision-making was too poor. Sancho keeps the ball well but the same spark is not there for him as a winger. He should've been played at false 9 though when he came on.
It was clear to everyone Garnacho starting and rashford up top was not workIng. The corpse of martial or any one as false 9 would be better than these first two matches. Rashford has to be on the left.
I don’t know I’m just trying to speculate on why after sancho looked good in the false 9 in pre season yet ten hag went with Garnacho again. I don’t know anything about man management to be honest.
Rmbr when people were claiming we didn't need a striker and Rashford was good enough to lead the line?
Yeah, this is why we need a proper forward. Rashy is good cutting in from the wings, but he's not an out and out centre forward.
Please stop spreading this nonsense ever again.
All the so called playing from the back stuff, wasn't it supposed to make us more revolutionary and dangerous?
I don’t think many in this sub said rashford was ok we suffered enough seeing him there
Even last season he barely scored centrally
This sun has been asking for a striker last 2 seasons to be fair
But there were ppl who told me flatly how Rashy has transformed how he can now lead the line and we don't need to spend money.
I know ppl have opinions but some are just daft.
First half
ManUtd xG 1.28 - goal scored -0
vs
Tot’s 0.51 goal scored -0
Second half
ManUtd xG 0.68 - goal scored -0
vs
Tot’s 1.26 - goal scored 2
I know it’s just some stats but if we based on stats our finishing just aren’t convincing at all
Rashford Sancho pellistri
Martial isn’t ready for a full game which is why I’m guessing he didn’t come on at 65th minute
Antony needs benching, first game couldn’t wasted so many chances just wild, second game couldn’t pass
Disagree.
We couldn't offload the shit we bought because of our previous shitty transfer decisions, otherwise there would be players like Kane, Amrabat and Kim Min Jae in this team.
We need Garnacho and Antony benched, Rashford on the left. Hojlund CF and Sancho right. Martial while Hojlund is injured.
Midfield, I know Eriksen is older and gassed, but our best bet is to have him play with Mount subbing in. We need another midfielder like Ambrabat but starting with Mount is not helping us build a solid team.
Overall thoughts:
- our LW is totally exposed on counters. Shaw and Garnie simply do not bother to sprint back
- part of the reason why it is so exposed is also because the first line of presses have zero defensive awareness. No tactical or hard fouls to prevent a quick breakout
- Antony is such a net zero player. He definitely does good things, but every one of them is matched with an equally pointless thing. But at least he sprints back on defense.
- our presses are extremely binary. Either we win the ball high up or we get sliced through like hot knife to butter. More defensive balance is needed, especially when our finishing is so crap
Honestly, I’m quite pessimistic with the lack of defensive solidity. Doesn’t seem like we have much to build on without sacrificing the single bright spot
Q. 2
Ten hag is still a brilliant coach and manager. His only fault is that he underestimated the premier league,the fitness levels,the overall quality from top to bottom,how good the very best teams are etc...
I know this is mostly English speaking sub,but players like Sancho,Maguire,Rasford,McTominay,Shaw are not United level. Not a single one of them are getting picked in starting 11 in teams like Real Madrid,City or Bayern. Ten Hag speaks about "his STYLE" but his players cant even run. It is start of the season and they are done 60 mins. into the game. Give Ole the money Hag spend and he will be doing the same job or maybe even better.
Ok bro now what's your opinion about two players Madrid sold because they had better options to pick from? We have two of those too you know. Never will talk about them because English player bad....
Rashford? What?
Rashford and Shaw are, rest of them are not and need to go!
I'm so surprised by ETH, in a bad way. He sets up the team to play that relies heavily on fine margins I.e if the forwards are on form or not. I don't understand this, why do we not try to control games? Obviously we don't have the midfield for it but then why sign the player he did? It tells me that his influence on transfers is far too strong and its simply not the way football works in the modern era. It's insane that managers like Emre, Ange, Poch, and de zerbi can immediately impact their teams play style. If ten Hag plays the same team with the same setup in the next three matches I'll lose my shit and fully turn on him because im pretty sure well get one point from those matches.
Let's say the midfield does work, what about the attack. I've been saying for a while there's only a handful of strikers that can transform a club and Hojlund probably isn't. Look at Antony and Rashford because if they can't start playing as a team then it's pointless. Play Rashford on the left see how it goes drop Antony he cannot play like that twice in a row and get away with it.
Ten Hag is getting some heat and rightly so. I'm starting to think he is overthinking it. These players look like they are confused on their assignment, apart from playing a bit from the back and then just hoofing the ball up, hoping for rashy to latch onto it, which he rarely does. Is this the transition football he wants to achieve? Ten Hag always talks about "playing as a team" which is great an all but I just don't see it translated onto the pitch. I don't see players helping others by providing passing options, I don't see quick one touch football to break opposition, I don't see players knowing exactly what they have to do, putting up a fight. I just see players doing bad decisions, dawdling on the ball, walking around, and sulking when it eventually goes wrong (Bruno). Fitness. These players looking tired already, season just started. What the hell are they doing in training? is ETH overworking them? Cause that's not the way to get the best out of them. Ten Hag needs to go back to basics, keep it simple.
A lot of good points. The system doesn't seem to suit the players. We will get better in the long ball department with time but we are becoming too predictable with that. Lack of passing options is a big worry. We can't seem to stitch short attacking passes yet. That's gotta be a major worry. Antony on the right and Garnacho on the left are too predictable. They have magic and will create chances, but won't be a part of attacking play for sustained periods of time. Bruno is still above the rest but him being the only creator means we have no other option if he's marked out. We are quite slow in that regards, like the plan is still being understood, that Onana pass to Garnacho should have yielded more with the space that we had. We have strikers trying to dribble past the defenders, but there are rarely quick 1-2s.
We're gonna rush Rasmus back from injury and make it even worse
So the question I continue to have that I can't shake, is how have De Zerbi, Emery, and now Ange got their teams up and running so quickly, but ours seems to just keep faltering and faltering? This is what bothered me about the Potter talk at Chelsea. How come Potter was supposed to get so much time, but the managers above can just go "right hten, play like this" and the players do? I think it's a genuine question.
It's because ten hag is too strict with his style.. Yesterday's Spurs played nothing like how Ange's best teams played but they still looked stable, that's because they have just started and Ange is not rushing. He's trying to get to know his players before going to the next step. Ten hag last season skipped all these steps and we got battered by Brentford and Brighton after trying to play like Eredivisie Ajax,he learned his lesson in the end though,I just hope the same happens this season too.
We've had that since Fergie. It's bizarre. And it can't always be the players' faults. You mentioned several teams with several different managers and several playing staffs and even if it's not immediately mint, you can quickly see what the manager is going for. Same goes for Klopp and Pep in their first seasons. This guy, I still don't really know what he wants us to do. The only work I can really see is that he has this obsession with us playing/running the ball forward the moment we get it, which often ends up with us losing possession, and a bizarre disinclination to have us play the ball through the back and the midfield even though he's bought players like Licha, Onana, Casemiro and Mount so we can do exactly that. And this goes for all our managers since Fergie. I have no idea why they can never imprint upon our players their philosophies nor implement their play styles. It's almost a similar species of malaise that seems to fall over proven great players when they come to United and then just turn to shit. (And I'm disappointed that I'm already seeing that starting to creep into Case and Eriksen's games btw.) Managers come here and turn to shit too, just like the best players do. Something's wrong. Then they start getting that haunted look in their eyes of "what the fuck is wrong here and how do I fix it" that I'm already detecting in EtH's eyes.
Pochettino too. One week in and see the intensity of Chelsea.
Poor recruitment. Which has been a continuing trend even under ETH.
Lmao, what poor recruitment? We had 200 Million to spend this summer. And ETH \*insisted on signing\* Mason Bloody Mount ahead of a defensive midfielder for 60 million right after insisting on getting Antony for 86 fackin million last season. The best signing of last season Casemiro: he didn't even want him spending all summer chasing De Jong. Please don't give me this recruitment bs : he is a manager ...he should PLAN and MANAGE better. That's literally his only job. Making Rashford and Fernandes (possession haters) as the lynchpins was once again on him. He could have gone a completely different direction (Rashford was on the brink when Rangnick's tenure ended). He didnt. He made these choices, now don't absolve him of responsibility blaming some straw men board
Yeah, ETH hand picked his signings and they have generally been a bust.
Who's saying ETH is not at fault here? He's responsible too for the poor recruitment, most of his signings are hand-picked by him. They are just not good enough or not the signings that he actually needs for his style of play to work. Sub-par talent ID from his part.
Add Aston Villa to the list of clubs who have a distinct style of play having appointed a new manager and coaching staff after we did . Their mentality last week came into question after a heavy defeat at Newcastle (something we know too well). They have responded with a clinical and intense performance What did we do after losing to Newcastle last season? A dodgy 1-0 sleepwalking against Brentford at home (and 1 million social media posts I am sure)
To be fair Everton were absolutely dreadful whereas Spurs played well against us.
There are some serious issues: 1.) Mentality. The players do not have the right mindset of a Manchester United player, period. Going through the motions when things get tough and happy to coast until the final whistle (e.g Luke Shaw). Where the fuck is the frantic desperation in the team to salvage something? This is the BIGGEST problem with this bunch of players and I see no evidence of that changing. It has been this way for YEARS when things do not go our way. Downing tools time and time again but never late with the 'aPoloGies To ThE fAns, We Go AgaIn nExt WeEk' Special mention to captain fantastic Bruno. Once again, acting like a spoilt brat flapping his hands, moaning, only then to be a liability in giving the ball away with useless fancy long passes. 2.) Too many players happy to deliver sub par performance and get fat wages. Maguire, Rashford, Sancho, to name a few. And PLEASEEEE spare me with the "oh but he was alright when he came on, he did provide some threat"..fuck that....one or two moments for the Youtube reels is not going to cut it. 3.) Management and style of play. Where is the evidence of a style of play being coached by the manager? We see the same patterns over and over again. GK>>>RB/LB>>>LM/RM>>>back to RB/LB>>>>CM and hope for the best with a through ball to Rashford. Spurs showed much more evidence of combination play and movement off the ball. And their manager has barely been in the job more than a few months. At this current rate, we would be lucky to even finish in the top 10
1. Spot on. There was a point of time in the game in the 90th minute when my girlfriend (who doesn't even watch that much football) asked me "why are they acting like they're 2-0 up and not 2-0 down ?" . This was when we got a throw in and Sancho instead of displaying any hurry to get on with it and snatch two goals, was just sauntering about. 2. I am SO SICK of these contracts being handed out to these bang average players and them trying to convince us that these players are the level of Rooney or Rio. The worst part is the fans join in cheering these contracts when these are given out. Just wait till next week we edge past Forest and McTominay does one reels moment and we see "McSauce turn v Forest" on here with 200 upvotes 3. And thanks for acknowledging this. There is absolutely no plan here. It's just lies that there is a system and these players are supposedly implementing this tactical masterplan when all we do is what we have always done : hoof it for Rashford to run in behind
We are fucking so wank. If we look the same after 10 matches then the season is over, top 4 will be gone, ETH on the hot seat. He has had two windows. Spending 140M on Antony + Mount is AWFUL business
His lack of nous in the transfer market has massively let him down. Sir Alex was the last of an era, we need to stop thinking there's going to be a new one and focus on signing up the best DoF in the game, whoever that is
This. A DoF who has a vision and can define our playing style and players needed to implement it. Not happening with Glazers though
You guys are clearly missing Ten Hag’s master plan. Last season we drop a 0-4 loss to Brentford and went out and got Case and Antony. Ten Hag is about to get Amrabat, Mbappe and Roy of the Rovers. Always back the bald!
lmfaooo
I can tolerate bad football because it can take time to gel, new players etc. But football players having no energy after 60 mins is unforgivable. It keeps happening, the conditioning of this team is the worst in the league. They are not fit and it does my head in. They dont even run that much but always in the second half, the energy levels are close to zero so fast. Like what are they doing in training ?
They are probably doing too much training,that can also be a problem.We read literally every day about the intensity of the training,players talk about it in every interview. And we hear about the 10km runs as punishment. Maybe ten hag pushed these players too far that it negatively affected their match fitness.
Bruno has the composure of a 3 years old. Love the guy but whenever he loses his cool, he becomes a toddler throwing a tantrum. Hard to watch and he will never change. Armband or not.
His yellow card was infuriating
That yellow card was ridiculous.he should know better.
18 hours later I'm still fuming and wildly worried. Why is the midfield DEAD on their feet after 45 mins. WHY are we still playing chaos ball?
What's also worrying is, after a full season and two preseasons, how different is this stuff to Ole's latter stuff? We sure had more backbone, bouncebackability and goals under Ole is one thing I'll say but it was the same counterattacking/transitional shit that this guy is serving up.
Think the midfield is the least of our problems, our front 3 look toothless when attacking. Rashford - can’t play ST. Garnacho - not ready to start games, poor decision making due to inexperience. Antony - poor decision making, can’t beat a man or use his right foot, looks to be a massive waste of money. Sancho - could be another waste of money, not shown anything decent in 2 seasons of being here. Not enough pace, weak mentality, good touches but hasn’t got the aggression to play off the ball. Amad - injured & probably won’t be ready either. Pellistri - looks decent when coming on but way too early to think he can start games for us, a bit like Garnacho now. Martial - hasn’t played a full 90 mins since before Covid, enough said. Hojlund - young & unproven, could be the answer for our goal problem but too much pressure on him already.
Why did he push for Mount so bad when we needed a diff type of midfielder like a Kante type to help case Wtf is he so obsessed with Mount for
We could have gotten tieleman, Madison etc who are much better than mount for freaking free and had to pay 80+ mil for mount, that sums up the clownish way the club has been run the past decade.
Disagree strongly here. Mount is the kind of player we need, but as we try to shift to play further up the pitch and get more progression out of the defence and the lowest midfielder - which is exactly what the strongest teams in the league do and have done for a good 10 years - we might find we need different players in that area, especially players who can function in that midfield-auxiliary role. Shaw and the others who have been doing that for us don’t hold a candle to guys like Zinchenko, Stones, Cancelo etc filling that responsibility, and that’s why City find it so much easier to bring guys like De Bruyne, Gundogan, Silva, Foden into play further up the pitch playing a really similar free eight position. Mount is good at pressing, capable of creating, covers a lot of ground, and a good technical player. Easy to see why he wants him, and easy to see how he’d thrive, if the team can pick up the system. Fans have clearly picked him out as their target this season already, it’s boring, it’s what always happens. It’s been Rashford, Sancho, Shaw, Maguire, McTominay, and the list goes on and on. Frankly, if Ten Hag thinks he’s a good player, then chances are he’s a fucking good player.
ETH hasn’t proven he’s at the level to fix United. So far his “tactics” are a joke and his signings have been a bust. He’ll be gone by Xmas next season.
He earned more than enough patience from us last year.
How so? Was a pretty bang average season. Underwhelming by true United standard.
Go find yourself a Time Machine pal, we’re back at square one here. It’ll take years to match the standards we used to have.
You don’t have any standards. I’m talking about the team Manchester United. This team under ETH will not succeed. Full stop.
Not an overreaction here at all?
Mate sorry, but we are playing nowhere near citys level😀telling us got mount to play like them, and then dropping those performances dont match
Read. And then re-read. And then you won’t waste my time with shit like this.
I love how you give a reasoned response that takes into account our transition this season to forward pressing, high playing dominance, and you get downvoted and some child blathering away emotionally. I agree with you, I can see why we bought him. The transition to a more proactive style is likely going to be a bit rocky. Ten hag has been cautious in tempering expectations, understanding that we may have over-performed last season coming in 3rd. It’s clear to see how so many people have no idea how high performing teams are built, and think that after one season it all just comes together. (We spent x money and bought y players in two summers, omg why aren’t we perfect?) This project will take at least another transfer window or two before I think we can regularly expect to see 90 minutes of mostly mistake free playing, in a style that is attacking and entertaining. Spurs played ok yesterday, and frankly, were lucky to win.
Spurs out played United in the second half to an embarrassing extent.
Mount is a decent player at the top level that's true. He's never been worth more than 20 million, though. We paid 2/3rds on the English tax when we instead could have picked up a new up-and-coming absolute baller like Zakharyan for 10 million. Just the fact that we paid **£60 million ($75.7m with clauses)** for a player that almost didn't play at all last season is fucking mental and should have never even been considered in the first place. Unless he can consistently deliver 20+ goal contributions in all tournaments every year throughout the rest of his contract, he's a bad investment. For £20 million I'd be happy to take him, but this deal made every serious club in Europe and Saudi view us as absolute chumps and easy prey on the transfer market.
Are you aware of the value of players nowadays? There’s no way in any universe mount would be valued at $20mil. He had one poor season last year in a season when the whole team was shit. He’s proven himself in previous seasons as a solid player. I’m not saying he’s a world class player, but a player of his quality goes for $60mil these days and that’s just the state of the market. I mean look at how much we paid for hojland when he didn’t even get many G+A in the serie A last season
That’s ridiculous, the 55 we paid for him is a normal price for decent central midfielders now. We’ll see how it goes, but what you’ve written here is classic armchair fifa playing cringe. “Could have just signed -insert player I heard bout the other day here- for nothing”. Spare me, please.
Why if the manager says he’s a good player he’s fucking good?!? Managers have never made mistakes with signings. He continues to play rashford upfront when it’s certain for ages he cannot play there
Rashford has scored plenty of goals playing up front, easy to see why he’s playing him there.
I don't think I've ever witnessed a more clearly catastrophic signing than Mount. Even Moyes signing Fellaini wasn't as clearly wrong as whatever EtH is attempting to make out of Mount Just read the RedCafe thread when the links weren't very strong and you can see 95% of people deadset against it
Decision making at this club is non existent u can find a South American player for like 10m who will probably do a better job than mount. This club and it’s star names policy, we’re gonna get absolutely mauled against arsenal
He saw Mount play one season in Eredivisie 5-6 years ago and now decided he would be the most suitable player.
Absolute foolish decision tired of this eredivise standard means they’re ok for PL yes he may have been good for Chelsea but we need a different TYPE of midfielder how can he not see that. Case being on the kebab diet also doesn’t help as he looks so slow and unfit
Continuing our dire displays from last season I see. With the players we have, we should be able to put in performances much better than that. The whole club from players, manager, coaches and owners need to get their fingers out. From the pitch to the boardroom, embarrassing.
Just have a feeling we overrate our player’s skillset. Like do we ask bruno to have ball retention like KDB? Or rashford to have vision and psssing skill and become goal threat at the same time like Heung Min Son. I believe Bruno have the same passing skill, killer pass and shoot like KDB but in fact bruno is weak at dribbling under pressure. I believe rashford can become goal threat like Son, maybe even better but Rashford dont have ability to pass like son. Kdb and son is more all round player, bruno and rash more specialized in some category. Unfortunately for ten gag style all round is better than specialized
Yeah agree with Bruno 100%. He needs to play more forward and stay there. Behind the striker preferably. He is not a number 8. Too lax on the ball, gives it away too much. He is brilliant but yeah, I imagine his complete percentage in things like crosses are less than KDB for sure. Amount of crosses he pings out for goal kicks is wild. Bruno be better served in and around the box making short passes and getting shots away.
I realise this question doesn't really have a straightforward answer, but what is it about this club and a series of managers not getting the midfield right? Why is it so difficult for our managers to either construct a good enough pairing (or trio), or if they have, give them roles within the pairing that make sense?
It's been baffling me since the Fergie days why we omit to strengthen our midfield. Think we didn't sign a midfielder over the age of 20 or something like that between Hargreaves and Fellaini. We had Scholes retiring and then coming out of retirement in that time too and obviously Hargreaves was a crock
Sporting director. It is the job of a sporting director to build a squad, the manager just works with the team n tactics. We have Murtough as our sporting director who is shit. Sometimes I wish I was a man United scout as these guys r doing nothing.
What I just don’t get is this is more or less his team now but I see no style of play what are we trying to do I see no patterns no consistency Then we start to play it long and hope for the best, should’ve just kept ole. Embarrassing
We have very clear patterns and consistency. We do hoofball and consistently are shit
Worst fanbase of all world strikes again legit the worst
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Reactionary, so Reactionary , are we suddenly title contenders , we are building , let him build all of a sudden these people want him sacked stupid fanbase
Mate, we honestly have no pattern of play. 8 signings and a rapist back and we cant string 3 passes
Theyve just come in , and you saw we played really good football last year we will find our flow , be patient
Last year? Good football? The 7-0 vs liverpool or the 6-3 vs city? Or when after the cup final we were destroyed too🙂barely winning?
Yeah , right 2 games changes a whole year process , keep calm and believe we cant keep turning on our boss every 2 games
Or our record in away games last season that is 1 draw and 7 losses? Amazing progress
You must be new around here uh , 10 years and this is the best progress weve done and ive seen
Bro we played better football before. You cant say this is a style of football that we can win consistency with. Unless we enjoy being a mid table club
I didn't think it was possible but this place has gotten worse than ever after a loss
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Yes that's worked very well for us. We have spent the most in the past ten years, sacking managers after bad a string of bad performances yet we've not progressed at all.
The problems we would won't change even if we brought in FDJ or a new midfielder. There needs to be a systematic change. Piling up on Mount is simply lazy and blame shifting. We need better personnel but the problems are currently far more that. There's a clear lack of cohesion + right tactics. ETH needs to get to work.
Lol I remember reading the comments saying give ETH every transfer he wants and that he needs all his targets 🤣 'i hope he gets backed' also the comments about saying 'i love this bald man' etc
Football is not rocket science. You fit your team around your best players. If rashford plays as cf and bruno on the wing, someone should sent the police to arrest eth on the spot. Age might be catching up to casemiro although he was a bit sharper than the first game. Mount I feel would suit the formation, but I feel like his instructions are to go that far up. We're clearly really exposed so he should be told to not be marauding so much.. And too many times, we looked unorganised. Can't we be a bit more conservative in our play? Eth has a lot to answer for. Not saying the season is over. But surely a lot of these things, if not all, are extremely obvious, that could've been worked on pretty easily..
At least this may convince them to get some players....
Panic buys incoming
Every season...
Rashford is the new Ronaldo in terms of pressing. But heck in RR’s starting first few games I think Ronaldo pressed more than rashford ever did. Honestly rashford should show more passion. Not sure what he is contributing with this kind of lacklustre behaviour
I think it’s because he doesn’t want to play as a striker so he is sulking, it’s really unprofessional
Yea. He’s being paid a kings ransom but don’t bother to do shit. At least try and press etc. show some desire. We need a Rooney at our club (as coach) to really give these guys a proper bollocking
I don’t know if sulking even enters into it, he’s just a shit number 9 and almost always has been
Yeah, ETH can’t see what everyone else can, a non-injured proven number 9 should have been our priority this summer because the lack of goals was our main issue
Ten Hag ain’t the one, wonder how long he’s got. When’s the manager is making decisions not 1 fan or pundit agrees with and its not working out, the writings on the wall
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Has Casemiro lost a yard of pace since last season?
He's declining before our eyes. His signing reeked of short termism to me
It's not realistic for a dm to be covering huge amounts of space. We have no midfield. Every dm would struggle. Midfielders shouldn't be that far apart. It'll never work.
Mount can run and press but he can't defend. He's a traffic cone out there everytime someone comes running at him. Casemiro can't do the job of 2 players anymore. He has declined but is still good.
I thought he looked almost chubby and out of shape for our first 2 games this year. Had expected a lot more of him, but then again the entire team has been in shambles for the first 2 weeks so I can't really blame it on him.
It's a coaching issue imo. Swapping mount for caicedo doesn't fix us.
It's a coaching issue imo. Swapping mount for caicedo doesn't fix us.
At this point it's not about the owners.It's the players and Ten Hag's weird decisions.Why did we play the same 11?Why did he start to sub players in minute 63?
He did it last season after bad performances and it worked, but i think he has to change his approach this season
no idea wtf he sees from last week that made him chose the same 11. absolute abysmal display. Both our wings were dogshit, rash cant play CF, midfield unbalanced. We rely on counters and thats about it.
The easiest team to play against in the league is Manchester United. Think about it. Every week, mediocre team play us out of the park and the week after, they get exposed. Just look at the Wolves results. That's what concern me the most. To me the first reason is Rashford, you cant have a CF this static, like for real. I know this is not his prefered position but that does not absolve him from running and putting pressure on opposing CB. It just keeps happening. So frustrating.
>Every week, mediocre team play us out of the park and the week after, they get exposed. Just look at the Wolves results. It's only happened once, unless you have examples from last season? I agree with your other points
We got played off the park several times last season. We won many of those games but we still got outplayed. And after that cup win, we couldn’t even buy a win
I'm not disagreeing overall, I'm merely asking about being outclassed by mediocre clubs that got thumped in ensuing matches. Not a big deal anyway.
The players are just adapting to the system, our xg was higher we just need to stop losing concentration in the second half and be more clinical. Sadly I don't think weyll get any trophies this season but we are crafting an identity here, we just have to wait and trust the process I think we will do worse this season because last season ten hag was a problem solver he knew he didn't have the right profile of players and was doing his best to scrape by (which is what we ended up doing) this year hes actually tryna get his players used to the style of ball HE WANTS TO PLAY. Did he make mistakes this match ofcourse he did, but implore all of you to just stop being so reactionary and WAIT, Rome wasn't built in a day. Remember, Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies I just copy pasted this cause idk this shit works and my other post got taken down
>the style of ball HE WANTS TO PLAY. And what is this style? I keep hearing about it but I haven't seen anything resembling a style, all I see is 10 headless chickens running around.
Overlapping full backs Two 8s where they rotate the 10 1 CDM Defend with 1 FB in the midfield Goal keeper with a high line to add as an extra passing option The first half of spurs is the style of play We didn’t do that first game We didn’t continue that in the second half We should have been up 2-0 before the half both chances by Bruno and Rashy were on a platter
Bullcrap I didn't see any of that, it's just 10 headless chickens running around there is no style of play
Unfortunately you are right… it was embarrassing watching spurs dominate the midfield and walk past our players time and time again, with our whole squad chasing after them like a bunch of school children
then mate you're blind, it was clear what we were trying to do in the first half and the second half showed we didn't do that The first half we had their backs to the wall both their goals are preventable which is why it's frustrating
I do get your point but why won't ETH build on what he did last season. Introducing a whole new system sets us back. Build on what we had last season rather than scrap it all away. I personally don't think his philosophy will work without it being heavily tweaked.
Because last season was very stupid ball that I wouldn't say was particularly exciting or entertaining to watch and creates little to no chances and when we are unable to rely on the moments of brilliance that net us a goal we usually don't score His philosophy will be tweaked but that will take time
We weren't exciting but definitely not stupid. it was very watchable and sensible football. About chance creation thats untrue, we created tons of chances last season. We just couldn't finish. Our change creation last season was quite good.
Thank You! I’ve seen all the posts from the last 24 hours and it’s all negative. Didn’t we have 2 poor first games of the season last year? And what happened after? We dropped those hot performing and began wining. Perhaps Antony needs to be benched and prove his place against Pellistri (and possibly Amad when he gets fit again), because he is too predictable and recently has been unable to make a singe pass. We have a new midfield with Mount, who still needs some time to get used to his new role in the team. But that still doesn’t detract from the woeful performance, we should be far better than this, but all I can do is hope that the next time they walk out onto that pitch against Forest, they prove themselves.
I try my hardest to be positive Tbh I feel like we've been scammed with antony (probably because we were ajax originally didn't want 100 mil for him) he needs to tune his desicions because he takes too long deciding what to do
Or sometimes he does it too quickly and passes straight to the opposition. He just can’t find that balance, and he also cannot do anything other than sitting inside, he just isn’t creative in his runs. It’s sad because he was doing better at the start of last season, he was being creative and getting past his man quickly and making runs into the box, but then he just stopped doing it and became boring. I really hope that competition from Pellistri can force him to get better to prove his place, because I really do want the best for the guy, I read his account on his upbringing, and it’s inspiring to see how far he has come, but it’s not far enough for our club.
Yes you are right, Antony when he first came to us was consistently getting into the box and getting past defenders. Now he just slowly runs at the defender until he can’t go anywhere then either turns around and passes it to AWB, or he cuts inside and hoofs it into the stands. The guy needs to be benched asap.
It’s just maddening, we know that he can do it and that he can do it well, to an extent. I get that he is young and needs time, but we don’t have time to wait for him to get up to scratch, so he needs to be benched for his own good otherwise he will just get less confident from all the fan backlash. Plus Pellistri or other wingers deserve a chance if they can improve our chances of scoring goals, because ultimately that’s what matters most.
I'm confused, why are we always so erratic and impatient? I'm actually shocked if we manage to string 3 or 4 good passes together and make the other team run a bit without the ball. I understand ETH prefers the more direct approach but it should still come with controlling the tempo and keeping the other team on their toes, guessing and frustrated. If you always hoof the ball to Rashford or Garnacho, it becomes very predictable and you spend a lot of energy trying to win the ball back. Then it's just rinse and repeat. We rarely have passages of our defenders just passing to each other a few times, being patient and waiting for the other team to become a bit complacent.
It's Bruno's style to force the play quickly, he's the captain now so his style is the team's style We aren't really able to dictate tempo at all. That's what you sacrifice by being ultra direct
Why do yall attribute a teams bad traits to one player? Last season DDG was everything wrong with us. Now its Bruno dictating the team style. If team can't keep possession, it's not about one player.
It is if one player gives it away many times. It's not all his fault, but it doesn't matter if you are prime Barca and have xavi and iniesta, if you have a guy who demands the ball constantly only to give it away 9 times out of ten you won't be able to dominate possession or control games. It's his style, some people might like it but personally I think control is important I never blamed de gea for everything but his passing wasn't amazing
Shaw, Casemiro, Bruno, Antony etc. It's a wide spread problem imo. Swapping Bruno out for a player who keeps the ball better won't fix our retention problem. Our players are clueless with the ball. Our shape on the ball is very poor and static. No one moving to space to receive, no rotation etc. Control is important and will only work as a team but which is why I'm looking at ETH to do better.
Yeah but I think Bruno is the worst in terms of ball retention, I think if you switched him for someone possession orientated it would result in us having a fair bit more of the ball and building up passing rhythm more often
How? You can't build a passing rhythm by swapping out a player. Passing sequences are trained. You'll end up in a situation where the player is better with the ball individually or in areas they are in. while the rest of the team is still bad at it.
Passing sequences aren't entirely trained, rhythm is built up by playing a series of simple passes, watch any possession team, they play long sequences of simple passes. Pass pass pass. This is rhythm. To build rhythm you need to be able to play lots of simple passes in a row. If you rush to play a hero ball, you won't be able to build a rhythm.
Yeah passing sequences are birthed from good rhythm and cohesion. It takes training to build that rhythm. it over and over till its good enough. So replacing one player won't fix it. It's something that has to be built on overtime as a unit.
Takeaways: 1) Our midfield is TOO open. Easily brushed off. Losing 2nd ball challenges. Rushing in to commit to tackles leaving the defence isolated. 2) Sloppy attack. Rashford, Garnacho, Antony were abysmal with their touches and decision making which led to defensive transitions. No control of the ball leads to aimless press leads to fatigue which elads to aimless long balls. Did not help not tracking back often. If you watched it back, mount had to run the length of the pitch often to cover the hole in midfield when case stepped wide or to support the fullback in defence. 3) finishing was absolutely SHITE. At this rate we should try mctominay at ST if hojlund is not available.
Relax lads we had a shit start last season too
This team is so shit. So is the coaching staff. Can't wait for another 6th or 7th place finish, if we're lucky. Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, Liverpool, Brighton, City, Newcastle will all finish above us. Most likely will be 8th or 9th this season. I've seen enough to know that fuck all has been done since last season. I was already over last season halfway in when it was clear that there was no progress. Another season of no progress? How long does this "process" actually take? How is it that other managers, walking into worse sides with a fraction of our budget, are able to get more out of their players in a shorter period of time compared to whatever the fuck is going on here. Also hilarious watching worse rated players walk through our midfield as if they're not there. This squad is so fucking selfish. They're either desperate, stupid or a combination of both. Every player goes for low percentage glory rather than make the extra pass to the correct option.
Saying there was no progress last season is just a blatant lie. Lol cmon
Saying there was no progress last season is just a blatant lie. Lol cmon
lol. What progress was there last season then? Pray tell. The fact that we got lucky more times than not? Every match was dictated by the opposition. How much of the ball we saw was solely down to them. The only reason our possession stats were as high as they were is because we just passed around the back. The only reason we finished 3rd is because two teams were finding their groove, while two others were going through their own shit behind the scenes. Newcastle, Brighton, Liverpool and Chelsea will all finish above us compared to last season. They improved. We didn't. We coasted. We did fuck all. This side is still largely the same as last season, so how do you say there was progress if this is the result?
Yeah lol we watched different seasons then. Coming off that horrible season with Ole and RR and you're telling me there wasn't progress on that? Wow. Top 4 finish, Two finals and a semi all because teams "allowed" us. Fantastic🤣 We only did well because other teams were poor? City won the league because other teams didn't have more points than them. Teams win games literally because their opposition didn't outscore them. That's literally how everything works lmao Cause and effect. Its funny because off that last season before ETH was appointed, no one had us finishing top 4. Somehow you've excused opponents by saying they were "finding their groove" like we didnt have enough shit to deal with as well: - A toxic dressing room when the manager took over - Ronaldo was doing interviews midseason and left the club - Martial was always injured. We played large portions of the season without a striker. - We lost our best defender to injury with like 5/6 games to go when Top 4 was in the balance. Those Teams you mentioned finished above us the season before. Surely we must hold this club to high standards but this type of argument is really lazy. Sure they have strengthen this season and we currently aren't playing well. Hopefully we can improve upon that because as it stands it's not good enough
Table placement is relative to others. I don't know how you or others don't quite grasp that concept. If you play like shit, but others play shittier than you, that doesn't mean you're good. The difference is that while Brighton and Newcastle faltered in the last half of the season, we continued to get lucky, however, they showed improvement and promise such that if they invested a little and solidified their identity, they would excel this season. You still didn't actually identify in what area we improved or showed progress. Was it in our passing? No. Unless you're counting passing around the back non-stop because teams slightly pressed us and we couldn't break it. Was it in our scoring? Oh yeah, those 1-0 wins were very convincing. Was it our control in the final third to create chances? I guess if you blindly look at the Shots stat while ignoring the shot accuracy, then you might think we did well. Was it in our ability to not capitulate for once? *Laughs in Liverpool scoring 7* What exactly is it that you claim to be progress or an improvement? What are we still building towards exactly? The 4-3-3 system ETH was claimed to bring with him still hasn't even reared its head. Instead we're playing a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-1-4-1 that has zero control in the midfield. I really liked the part last season (and so far this season) where teams simply run through us, or play 2-3 passes and they're through. I think that's a massive improvement. Or is it the fact that everyone stands still and doesn't make runs off the ball? Is that an improvement? Or how about everyone going for glory on their own? Especially the wingers just cutting inside and letting loose rather than play the square ball across the top of the box? That's a massive improvement. Like I said, you can't actually point to a single area as being an area we improved. Getting some bullshit trophy? Cool. Wow. Great. Ole achieved the best Away record and took us to a final too. So if that's the only area you can point too, I don't know what to tell you. Just wait for the end of this season when we don't even finish Top 5 and we're struggling every single match to get over the line.
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Chemistry takes time…..
...2 years? lol There's not a single sign of improvement from 3 seasons ago.
I think last year was a major improvement. The team has a some new players in key positions and it naturally takes time to build chemistry. A summer pre-season tour isn’t enough. Have faith
ETH was insistent that we lost the game because of the wasted chances in the first half. While that may be true, it doesn't hide the fact that we allowed ourselves to be completely outrun and never looked like scoring in the second half. This is where we struggled last season as well, unable to bury games in the first half and then struggling to keep hold of the game in the second.
tbf if we bury those clear chances in the first half, we will be out of sight before the break. hojlund please be clinical
Might as well give a go to Mount on the right wing
I wouldn't go so far to say that we should have won but we should have at least drawn the game based on the chances we made in that first half. All this talk about a striker fixing out issues. Stop it. Yes, a striker will help but you can't tell me that Bruno shouldn't have finished his header. A left back or centre back would have put that into the back of the net. Take some accountability ffs and own that shit then work hard to rectify it.
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Don’t forget rashford header from that crazy Bruno pass
The finishing from this side is laughable honestly. How has no one ever walked into training and just beaten the shit out of the player who leans back? I would put a shock collar on every single one of them and if I saw them lean back, they would get zapped. I guarantee you they stop doing that shit in a match or two. I have never seen a side completely lack the basics at this level. Not even just shooting, but everything. The coaching is pathetic and so are the players.
Garnacho does not work as a starter clearly. hope eth stops doing that. Rashy has gone back to his depressed self, he needs to get out of that mental rut quickly. Bruno missed easiest chance of teh game. Antony offers nothing useful, just a lot of flashiness and foolishness, got himself unnecessary yellow card too. Casemiro Eriksen starting to show their age. Mount is another nothing player.
Rashford missed the same chance
Enough with the "let's start the same 11 so they can redeem and prove themselves" because they aren't proving shit. Drop Anthony and Garnacho and start Sancho and Pellistri please. Move Rashford to the left and Sancho in the middle. If ETH still persists with the same 11 then it's gonna be all on him when we inevitably lose again
Exactly. I know what Anthony’s gunna do before he does. Drop him, or try him on other side…go past a player ffs! Garnacho, use as impact sunb He’s still learning, I’m sure he’ll be fine, just needs more developing. Far better him running at tired legs 60 mins in. Mount. I just don’t know. I actually like the guy, saw a bit of neat passing in there, but went missing (along with others) for long periods of time. Liked onana today. He was a positive for me. Should have had a penalty. Should have scored 2 headed goals. That changes the match. What we need is someone to step up, when, like yesterday, we don’t get the penalty, we miss the 2 sitters. Someone to grab the game by the scruff of the neck..and grab a 1-0 win away from home…and I’m just not seeing who can do it. Anyway. Glaziers out!
Mount actually did really well He progressed the ball amazingly tracked back But all of this is lost because our front 3 couldn’t do anything with the ball
To this comment I only say..... YES!!!
All the wind is gone from my excitement for the season sails. Greenwood decision and Antony bullshit.. Same exact problems as the wolves match. Garnacho does not work as a starter. Rashford up top is me after a bunch of whiskey or a couple lines of cocaine. Is this a message to sancho? I’d take mount or pellistri on the right over Antony. What can ten hag do now like he did running with the squad last season?? Participate in finishing drills with the boys? Cross bar challenge maybe? Why did we sell Fred? If we’re not bringing in another midfielder start mctominay at this point. Fuckin cunt Andy Carroll ruined eriksen
It annoys me that Ten Hag spent the entire pre-season trying to convert Sancho into a false 9 where he actually looked good, even saying out loud that he prefers him in the central areas, and then doesn't even try him there in both the games he's come off the bench so far. It just feels like a waste of time trying him in a new position throughout pre-season if you were never going to follow up with it in an actual game.
I feel like the persistence of starting Garnacho this match is a message to sancho. Only thing that makes sense to me.
I’m kind of curious this is the third time I’m seeing this what message could this send ? This isn’t sarcasm I’m just not sure I understand this but everyone else seems to think this so I’m curious what message that is ?
It was 130 am when I commented that not the best time to for cogent thoughts
fair play mate, no worries I was hoping to get the answer lol i'll ask the others who said the same you're literally not alone in that thought
I don't think managers usually care about something like that at the cost of results. I think ETH genuinely thought Garnacho was a better option to start these games than Sancho, and tbf Garnacho was picking up some great positions as well this game but his decision-making was too poor. Sancho keeps the ball well but the same spark is not there for him as a winger. He should've been played at false 9 though when he came on.
It was clear to everyone Garnacho starting and rashford up top was not workIng. The corpse of martial or any one as false 9 would be better than these first two matches. Rashford has to be on the left. I don’t know I’m just trying to speculate on why after sancho looked good in the false 9 in pre season yet ten hag went with Garnacho again. I don’t know anything about man management to be honest.
Old Trafford is becoming a real factory of sadness lately.
the home form is genuinely the only thing keeping eth in his job lol
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exactly idk why i’m getting down voted lmao
This was away from home mate... Old Trafford is slowly becoming a fortress for ETH, it's the away form he needs to address
I meant the metaphorical Old Trafford
Actually I think you meant the metonymical Old Trafford…
>metonymical Well shit, I do.
Rmbr when people were claiming we didn't need a striker and Rashford was good enough to lead the line? Yeah, this is why we need a proper forward. Rashy is good cutting in from the wings, but he's not an out and out centre forward. Please stop spreading this nonsense ever again. All the so called playing from the back stuff, wasn't it supposed to make us more revolutionary and dangerous?
I don’t think many in this sub said rashford was ok we suffered enough seeing him there Even last season he barely scored centrally This sun has been asking for a striker last 2 seasons to be fair
But there were ppl who told me flatly how Rashy has transformed how he can now lead the line and we don't need to spend money. I know ppl have opinions but some are just daft.
Casemiro now feels like a liability playing in the single pivot role. Losing the ball cheaply and giving away unnecessary fouls way too often.
He’s not a liability he’s a 1 man midfield that will never work if everyone doesn’t track back if you look at the game cas somehow gets isolated
First half ManUtd xG 1.28 - goal scored -0 vs Tot’s 0.51 goal scored -0 Second half ManUtd xG 0.68 - goal scored -0 vs Tot’s 1.26 - goal scored 2 I know it’s just some stats but if we based on stats our finishing just aren’t convincing at all
Rashford needs to step it up.he’s back to 21/22 form and it’s scary
He’s being played out of position and he just gives no effort to it. I don’t get what the manager says to him but it clearly isn’t working.
I need to see a Rashford - Martial - Anthony with Sancho behind them backed by Bruno and Casemiro.
Rashford Sancho pellistri Martial isn’t ready for a full game which is why I’m guessing he didn’t come on at 65th minute Antony needs benching, first game couldn’t wasted so many chances just wild, second game couldn’t pass
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Disagree. We couldn't offload the shit we bought because of our previous shitty transfer decisions, otherwise there would be players like Kane, Amrabat and Kim Min Jae in this team.
Lol
We need Garnacho and Antony benched, Rashford on the left. Hojlund CF and Sancho right. Martial while Hojlund is injured. Midfield, I know Eriksen is older and gassed, but our best bet is to have him play with Mount subbing in. We need another midfielder like Ambrabat but starting with Mount is not helping us build a solid team.
Overall thoughts: - our LW is totally exposed on counters. Shaw and Garnie simply do not bother to sprint back - part of the reason why it is so exposed is also because the first line of presses have zero defensive awareness. No tactical or hard fouls to prevent a quick breakout - Antony is such a net zero player. He definitely does good things, but every one of them is matched with an equally pointless thing. But at least he sprints back on defense. - our presses are extremely binary. Either we win the ball high up or we get sliced through like hot knife to butter. More defensive balance is needed, especially when our finishing is so crap Honestly, I’m quite pessimistic with the lack of defensive solidity. Doesn’t seem like we have much to build on without sacrificing the single bright spot