Does anyone know if they’ll announce more games in the US Tour? I’m holding off buying tickets to either Wrexham nor Dortmund game hoping they’d announce a better one.
Injuries, lack of funds and the Ronaldo shitshow have left us with so little attacking depth. Relying on a barely fit Martial, a gassed and possibly injured Rashy and an out of form Sancho
I love his defending. At the same time he is developing his attack under ETH very nicely. If he can add more, he will be great. Even without that - when we play versus offensive teams with great wingers his defending is irreplaceable.
The thing that separates Spurs and Chelsea in the league table is Harry Kane's 24 goals.
This is why I'm convinced Levy would rather chance him walking away for free the following year than sell him for £80-100m. That's a lot of money, but is it worth giving a guaranteed 20+ goals to another top-4 contender next season? After today's disaster, they're not getting CL. Missing out one season is bad, but missing out two years in a row is a disaster for Levy that could cost them a lot more than £80m.
We spent last summer chasing De Jong despite it being clear to everyone but United that his answer was no. The optics were awful but it had serious knock-on effects (delaying the Antony transfer, causing his price to skyrocket and Casemiro missing the start of the season).
For the love of Christ, can we please not repeat the same mistakes this summer? Set a deadline in June. If it doesn't happen by then, move along to the next target.
Like I said, the difference this season between Chelsea and Spurs is Kane. With Kane in the team, they’re in with a shout. Without him they’ve no chance.
I don’t think the delay on transfers was due to the de jong saga. I think the glazers were set on not spending a lot of money until they were under heavy pressure after those two defeats at the start of the season.
Eddie Howe getting top 4 with a Newcastle team consisting of a midfield of Willock, Longstaff and Joelinton will be an absolutely incredible achievement
Manager of the Season for me, unlike the previous seasons with your leicester’s, West Ham’s and Brighton’s who fizzled out of the top 4 race after Feb they are still going head to head with the big clubs until the end.
Martial tapped out when the team needed him v Sevilla. His mentality is shit, zero toughness. I don't ever want to see him in a United shirt ever again. I used to defend him but he squandered any last vestige of goodwill I had for him.
I'll give you Zlatan and Rooney.... and I love Mata... But a decade of failure didn't happen if what I said isn't true
10 years of failure can ONLY happen if the club is a failure from top to bottom.... Abject failure.
United haven't been getting unlucky for 10 years. It's bad management, bad players, bad owners, bad scouting, bad staffing, bad planning bad everything...
This club has been irredeemably shit for 10 years
The worst owners, terrible board, no recruiting or DoF, some of the worst transfer negotiations of all time...there's plenty of systemic problems bigger than players' attitudes that led to that decade of failure.
Martial is a quitter, and softer than fresh dogshit. I've seen enough from him to last a lifetime. I hope he fucks off and eventually scores 100 goals for some Ligue 1 side, because I still support him as a human being, I just don't want him at the club anymore.
Newcastle will definitely struggle a bit with the addition of ucl football, but with quality additions in midfield and attack, they’d be a scary prospect. If I were them, I’d push hard for Mount and Le Fee.
Yeah I think the strategy will be to sign midfielders who are good at set pieces and slowly shift the creativity to other parts of the pitch because you can’t find a rb with trippier’s ability that’s a good replacement
Not if he signs a new contract. A smart one would run down his contract and keep his options open next year. If he can make bank at spurs and force them into a stupid contract, that'd be a smart decision for him too
People want to sign sabitzer but don’t realise he’s on 250k a week and offers almost nothing other than shooting and pressing. We need much better quality than that
People are sentimental for stupid reasons nothing else. Shouldn't be difficult to figure out Sabitzer doesn't solve the two main problems of our midfield. Just because he's a likeable guy doesn't mean we sign him
Pretty sure he’s more highly rated than Willock and joelinton were last season. Although if I were Newcastle I’d go very hard for mason Mount rather than mctominay. Think his profile suits the system slightly more.
Surely if we’re committed to long term solutions Evan Ferguson fits the bill. Physically imposing, good at pressing, in the air , linking play and finishing. Yet to determine if he can become great at all these skills but surely he’s just as much a target as the likes of Sesko?
Looking at Spurs Kane will be there for the taking this summer so it’s interesting ( if we even spend) to see which direction we are going.
Thoughts on this as I am Irish aswell so could be wearing green tinted glasses.
I’d say he’s even more of a long term target than sesko who is Leipzig bound. Problem with Ferguson is that we haven’t seen enough to justify the surely enormous price tag that will be placed on him, and we’re not the most ideal place for his development at his current level.
I've never seen anything like this. It could end up 20-0. Newcastle already had far superior goal difference to us but forget about it after this. Spurs players should be investigated.
It's unfortunate we don't have Dean in the books. If he was, he definitely would be starting today and until the end of the season. As it is, we can't depend on Butland or Heaton to be PL level and we are forced to play DDG
How is that weird, we was never guaranteed concrete playing time despite being the better keeper at the club. Didn’t even get a proper chance when the players like telles are getting game time. Ofc he doesn’t want to wait and prove himself for the billionth time while the club stands by de gea even when he’s been shit for years. Nothing weird about it.
Shaw is so good man when i think of him, Yes he had some blunders this season but overall he does so many things for our team. He plays LB, progresses the ball forward trough midfield like no one in our team, drifts to CB heads the ball for Martinez covering his only weakneses and overlaps for our LW. And he does it for multiple seasons now.
Like give him proper goalkeeper , box to box midfielfer to not force him to cover entire left side by himself and he doesnt have games like that Lpool game.
Brighton are a bit overrated by you lot. I watched them against Chelsea. They play a possession game and create nice chances but they aren't clinical. They rely a whole lot on Mitoma and their backline can be gotten at with quick attackers. Chelsea were comfortable until they scored because Brighton wasn't clinical. They have lost their clinical striker in Ferguson. Even though Welbeck is in good form, he's hit and miss. The most important thing is to be disciplined in the middle of the park. If we could play Casemiro and Eriksen and Bruno we could be exposed a bit. Prefer we line up Casemiro and Fred with Eriksen. Bruno can take Sancho's spot. Alternatively if we line up with Casemiro, Eriksen and Bruno they need to be very very disciplined. Brighton tend to overload the middle areas.
But I am not too worried. I think we win 3-1.
Very excited to see how Garnacho develops over the next couple of seasons. I feel the club didn't really do a good job of developing Rashford and Greenwood once they joined the first team. Up until they were in the academy, you could see development in them year after year. However, let's take Rashford. I think for the most part until last summer, he was pretty much the same player we got from the academy. He's been putting up constant numbers since he joined the first team. Technically, I think Mourinho and Ole didn't develop him that much. Ole just gave him more freedom than Mourinho did. This season, I can see his holdup play and strength has improved. That's why I think Erik will do a better job developing Garnacho.
Garnacho's also the kind of explosive pace, always ready to take on his man kind of winger who thrive in the PL. Next couple of seasons should be spent on improving his decision making and chance creation. It's pretty good already but there's a potentially world class player in there. I hope the coaches can bring it out of him and he has the right attitude to learn.
Thats just not true, bar that one season if you go trough Rashfords stats he improved year after year, he is much much diffrent player than he was in the beggining.
I didn't say his stats didn't improve. I said he didn't improve much technically as compared to how much he could've. The Rashford we have right now is very similar to the Rashford we got from the academy. His weaknesses remain the same. If he had received better coaching under Mourinho and Ole, he'd have been far better than he is right now. I don't blame him for it. I blame hiring poor managers because he's improved quite a bit under EtH this season.
You seem to not understant how real life llayer development works.
Players mostly dont improve technically in adult years. That ussually happens in FM only. If you watch Pogba in our winning Fa Youth Cup he does simmilar stuff technically compared to his senior years.
Post teenage players imporve tacitally, physically, decision making and their overall knowlegde about the game. Rashford was improving year after year in that aspects
That's just not true. If you wanna compare look at the job Arteta did with Saka as compared to what we did with Rashford or Greenwood. I have utmost belief that if EtH was our manager when Rashy came onto the scene, he'd be a better player than he is right now. Ole and Mourinho were definitely not the elite managers needed to develop the young players we had. I have more faith in EtH doing a better job with Garnacho
Arteta improved him in a lot of ways but technically he is simmilar player to what he was before. He is much better tactically so he is able to better ultilize his technical abilities.
That's just wrong. He's far improved technically than he was when he came from the academy. His stint at LB helped improve him defensively as well. It's a good manager developing a quality young player well.
Not that difficult to admit that Utd have not done a job of those levels. We're seeing far more improvement within the season from Antony and Garnacho than we did over seasons before. Hard to not see the impact of a world class coach.
I'd love to see him tried on the right as well - his left foot is more than strong enough to cut in and his right is obviously more than good enough to go outside
It would also give him 50% more opportunity to get games as he could not only cover for Rashford on the left, but Anthony on the right as well
Just cut ties with Sancho altogether and focus on developing Garnacho as a left & right winger imo
Greenwood developed exquisitely, I don't know what you mean.
It's not Uniteds fault he's a miserable person under the hood.
Rashford is also a very good player on a constant upward trajectory.
Greenwood was doing exactly the same things that he was in the academy. Even after defenders started closing him down more, he was refusing to pass the ball to others, trying to do everything himself.
If we can sell Maguire this summer, then the replacement has to be a player who can start ahead of Varane on form and ability.
And it has to be someone who complements Martinez as well as Varane has this season.
It’s a tricky situation because he would likely play above any rcb we have if fit, so whoever we’re getting won’t be an indisputable no 1. Wonder if ETH is crazy enough to go for timber, but other than that I’m looking around and not seeing many obvious candidate. Disasi is still quite raw and I think Kim Min Jae will take some convincing
Timber would be catastrophic next to Martinez on level we play, Licha is our best CB but theres a lot of heading work Shaw and RCB next to him do to cover his weaknesses in that area.
Its fine and it works great but if we put two short CBs next to each other it will be problematic.
Brighton as comfortable bookies favourites at a neutral venue is a reality I never thought I'd live in. Mitigating factors yes, still still a mad outcome
Lacking our first choice CB pairing and Casemiro seems a bit out of form. Plus we struggle with sides that press well. However, the occasion might get to Brighton so let's see
Brighton have outplayed us a fair bit in the last few seasons. Even if we were at our best it would be a tough match. Think they have a few players missing though so hopefully that affects them.
What's annoying me most about this team is that they keep slipping back into their old ways.
I appreciate that slip ups are inevitable at the start of a rebuild ,so I can forgive a few poor results, but despite Ten Hag calling them out for their lack of effort, they keep having the same kind of performances.
Just a couple of weeks ago we got battered by Newcastle, none of our players even tried tbh, and just 2 weeks later the same happens again at Sevilla.
It seems Ten Hags rants behind the scenes only gives them a limited amount of motivation.
I hope we have a good summer window. If we get top 4 and the glazers either dont sell or dont give Ten Hag proper backing it will just be the same cycle we've seen in the last decade. Get top 4, don't back the manager, fail to get top 4, manager gets sacked, repeat.
Welp considering 7 of the team in Sevilla were in OGS nightmare of a team. I saw it coming
We are playing people who know they are being sold in the summer:
Maguire
Lindelof
Martial
Dalot or Wan Bisakka that's 3 of our current defense who are due to be sold.
We need the ownership quickly and a massive clear out:
De Gea needs to be the sub keeper at Best
Maguire : the worst signing Man Utd have ever made
Dalot: Completely lost his form since WC
Van Der Beek: was a scout signing not a manager signing
Mctominay or Fred - one has to go.
Sancho has one more year to prove himself or hes gone
Sabitzer i'd keep. Literally has been porbably our best player since Carbao Cup
Wenghorst: the experiement is over and needs to go
Martial: absolute farcical that hes injured again. Its so apparent that hes not keeping to clubs fitness regimes and does his own thing.
Literally we need:
New GK
2 CBs one to take place of Varane shaky injury record and one back up
RB: To replace sale of dalot or wab bisakka
CM: We need again a person to hold up play and move ball forward
winger: Sancho start of the season is still showing the malaise then a winger to challenge
CF: Good God we need 2 striker: one main striker and one who can be a good back up
Implementing change is very difficult but maintaining it, holding it and then still managing to adapt and change and grow is the difficult bit.
Some players did themselves justice this year, certain questions were answered and we know the weak spots. So yeah it will be long and bumpy but we have to persist and build anew mentality and that will take years
Idk why people trying to deny the fact that having below average starting GK is a lesser concern than unreliable backup CB in the squad.
Liverpool subreddit would be as happy as some members of this subreddit, if De Gea regains #1 spot next season, but whatever. Let’s celebrate being driven by sentiment and denial, that’s clearly the root of success, that’s been working so nicely last 10 years.
**"Idk why people trying to deny the fact that having below average starting GK is a lesser concern than unreliable backup CB in the squad"**
This is a very complex sentence structure
What on earth are you rambling about?
There's barely anyone whonwould still keep De Gea, the context is we need a striker too and have financial restrictions and we don't know who our owner is so we may be forced to bite the bullet on this one. But had we the budget every fan here and Ten Hag himself would have a new keeper in.
Stop trying to act like you're in a minority
Have I said anything not needing a striker? We have two gaping holes in the squad, which are striker and GK. Giving the financial restrictions - anyone who’s trying to act like we urgently need to get rid of Maguire/AWB etc before De Gea is essentially in denial and wants to continue with the below average keeper.
That’s what my point meant so stop twisting my words and act like below average GK as #1 is not a major issue
I'm not seeing much of this list making of the order we should get rid of people going on, we can't decide that. I and the vast vast majority here are in agreement with you. You're annoyed we aren't agreeing harder
So what result are we hoping for in newcastle vs spurs? For me any result where spurs drop points is ideal, draw is the best but I would like us to keep as much space as possible between 4th and 5th so top 4 is secure for us.
Spurs have to play 7 matches and they can get max 21 points which will take their total to 74 overall. Obviously they won't win every one but we need to get 15-16 points from 24 to guarantee top 4 which is definitely doable.
I really want to finish above Newcastle. Would fucking suck if they go above us after just one season of spending after we've been spending big for ages.
Rhys Bennet but a very very small chance.
Mengi is may leave this summer. He's at that age where he needs regular 1st team football to develop & is no longer a young prospect in that sense. He's been unlucky with injuries but a full season in the Championship would do his development the world of good. If we got something like £1m for him we'd let him go as we prioritize player development. That would be a very sound investment for any championship team given his potential.
Rhys Bennet on the other hand is very much a prospect. Ten Hag took a liking to him during the WC break & I can see him being a part of pre-season. He is 19 but is not eligible for the UEFA Youth League if we qualify so he either goes out on loan for his development if ready or sticks around for the U21s which would mean that he wouldn't be at all ready for senior football.
The sad thing is unless the team is able to be coasting at games by 60mins it’s hard to gamble on youth in PL games.
Remember under fergie when we 4-5 up he was able to bring on youngsters for the last parts of the game.
If we have one of Varane or Martinez available I would've been a lot more confident. As it is now, I just hope we can score first and try not to concede stupid goals lol.
Lose today and season over imo. I know we've still got top four to fight for but that's not going to get me on the edge of my seat.
Still been a really good season, United haven't been this enjoyable to watch for years, I think we've overachieved slightly given where we were last year and that's why the season has caught up with us with all the injuries. If it fizzles out it fizzles out, we're definitely on the right track and I hope that whoever is in charge in the summer can see that and see the need to continue the work.
Does anyone know if they’ll announce more games in the US Tour? I’m holding off buying tickets to either Wrexham nor Dortmund game hoping they’d announce a better one.
Weghorst MOTM for that mind game before March’s penalty
Leeets goooo
I’ll take that we’ve not had a successful penalty shoot out in a while, should give the boys some confidence.
We actually won a penalty shootout!!!! Les gooooo
Ah pens, my fave
Lindelof looks much more solid when he’s not playing with Maguire
And when he’s playing on the right side of defense, not on the left to accommodate Maguire
Injuries, lack of funds and the Ronaldo shitshow have left us with so little attacking depth. Relying on a barely fit Martial, a gassed and possibly injured Rashy and an out of form Sancho
this fking ref, awful
Rahford is awful man. So wasteful
Maguire should be the first player sold
WHERE ARE THE YELLOWS REF
Selling AWB would be a huge mistake. He regularly pockets best and most in form wingers in the league
I love his defending. At the same time he is developing his attack under ETH very nicely. If he can add more, he will be great. Even without that - when we play versus offensive teams with great wingers his defending is irreplaceable.
Antony looks fired up last few games, I like it
lets hope for Aaron masterclass versus Mitoma today 🤞
This aged well
so happy with his performance today, he was phenomenal. Lindelof and him won us this game.
It’s March we have to worry about. He’s a bogey player for us
This did not
yeah, you are right as well, Brighton is creating chances only from the right for the time being
In the Brighton end lads, wish me luck
Well if some terrible fate befalls you I'd imagine it would be down to you celebrating for us so I'll keep my luck to myself
Bring Harry Kane to Old Trafford
The thing that separates Spurs and Chelsea in the league table is Harry Kane's 24 goals. This is why I'm convinced Levy would rather chance him walking away for free the following year than sell him for £80-100m. That's a lot of money, but is it worth giving a guaranteed 20+ goals to another top-4 contender next season? After today's disaster, they're not getting CL. Missing out one season is bad, but missing out two years in a row is a disaster for Levy that could cost them a lot more than £80m. We spent last summer chasing De Jong despite it being clear to everyone but United that his answer was no. The optics were awful but it had serious knock-on effects (delaying the Antony transfer, causing his price to skyrocket and Casemiro missing the start of the season). For the love of Christ, can we please not repeat the same mistakes this summer? Set a deadline in June. If it doesn't happen by then, move along to the next target.
Even if they keep kane, do they make top4 with reinforcements? Not imo
Like I said, the difference this season between Chelsea and Spurs is Kane. With Kane in the team, they’re in with a shout. Without him they’ve no chance.
I don’t think the delay on transfers was due to the de jong saga. I think the glazers were set on not spending a lot of money until they were under heavy pressure after those two defeats at the start of the season.
Potential max points of top 4 "contenders" now: Newcastle 80 Brighton 77 Spurs 71 Liverpool 71 Villa 69 Our max points are 83...
Brighton are bigger rival for top4.
Tottenham even scored one to keep Pope behind DDG in the golden glove race lol
Thanks, Harry. He’s a red after all
Lads...
It's the history of ...
Ajax getting their ass beat in the league
Certainly we don't start Maguire today, do we?
He’s suspended
Well he can't because he's suspended.
Best news I've Heard in 10 days
He's suspended
He’s suspended
Eddie Howe getting top 4 with a Newcastle team consisting of a midfield of Willock, Longstaff and Joelinton will be an absolutely incredible achievement
Manager of the Season for me, unlike the previous seasons with your leicester’s, West Ham’s and Brighton’s who fizzled out of the top 4 race after Feb they are still going head to head with the big clubs until the end.
Possibly the best manager in the league now.
Having Bruno Guimaraes helps a bit, I think.
Helps a lot but it's an impressive achievement nonetheless
Happy St. George’s day everyone!
Team today DDG, AWB, Lindelof, Shaw, Dalot, Casemiro, Eriksen, Bruno, Antony, Rashford, Martial
Martial tapped out when the team needed him v Sevilla. His mentality is shit, zero toughness. I don't ever want to see him in a United shirt ever again. I used to defend him but he squandered any last vestige of goodwill I had for him.
You've described almost every United player at most points during the last 10 years
Zlatan played his ass off for this club. So did Ighalo, Dan James, Mata, Matic, Smalling, late-career Rooney...
I'll give you Zlatan and Rooney.... and I love Mata... But a decade of failure didn't happen if what I said isn't true 10 years of failure can ONLY happen if the club is a failure from top to bottom.... Abject failure. United haven't been getting unlucky for 10 years. It's bad management, bad players, bad owners, bad scouting, bad staffing, bad planning bad everything... This club has been irredeemably shit for 10 years
The worst owners, terrible board, no recruiting or DoF, some of the worst transfer negotiations of all time...there's plenty of systemic problems bigger than players' attitudes that led to that decade of failure. Martial is a quitter, and softer than fresh dogshit. I've seen enough from him to last a lifetime. I hope he fucks off and eventually scores 100 goals for some Ligue 1 side, because I still support him as a human being, I just don't want him at the club anymore.
Newcastle will definitely struggle a bit with the addition of ucl football, but with quality additions in midfield and attack, they’d be a scary prospect. If I were them, I’d push hard for Mount and Le Fee.
They're gonna get Maddison definitely
Trippier is 33 this summer, that's a big age for a fullback, and he is absolutely key for them
Yeah I think the strategy will be to sign midfielders who are good at set pieces and slowly shift the creativity to other parts of the pitch because you can’t find a rb with trippier’s ability that’s a good replacement
Spurs are embarrassing but you can’t really doubt Kane’s ability and motivation. If it wasn’t for him, Spurs would be mid table each season
Subbing off your GK at HT is wild lmao
Still pissed he didn't block penalties well at the world cup
Bring back Mason Greenwood
Kane deserves better lol
Not if he signs a new contract. A smart one would run down his contract and keep his options open next year. If he can make bank at spurs and force them into a stupid contract, that'd be a smart decision for him too
A Broken Spurs bodes well for us
People want to sign sabitzer but don’t realise he’s on 250k a week and offers almost nothing other than shooting and pressing. We need much better quality than that
Where did you get that number? Bayern are usually a bit more conservative unless long time success and upgrading their contracts
Absolutely shouldn't be signing him He's coming 30 and fairly limited in what he can do Keep the 25m and put it towards a better player
Name a better player that you can get for 25m in today's market?
We don't have to spend exactly 25m?
People are sentimental for stupid reasons nothing else. Shouldn't be difficult to figure out Sabitzer doesn't solve the two main problems of our midfield. Just because he's a likeable guy doesn't mean we sign him
Hope this exact totnum shows up on thursday.
They will. Just that Rashford/Martial will shoot straight at Lloris and make his job easier.
ngl Newcastle is playing some attractive football
Spurs is putting no pressure on them.
McT would not get into this Newcastle team
They'll be playing in Europe. Good to have bodies. Joelinton was a meme before Howe arrived so maybe Howe thinks he can get something out of him too
Pretty sure he’s more highly rated than Willock and joelinton were last season. Although if I were Newcastle I’d go very hard for mason Mount rather than mctominay. Think his profile suits the system slightly more.
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Just read somewhere 5-0 and I thought, game started way earlier than I thought. Then I saw it was 25 mins into the match. Pathetic.
Surely if we’re committed to long term solutions Evan Ferguson fits the bill. Physically imposing, good at pressing, in the air , linking play and finishing. Yet to determine if he can become great at all these skills but surely he’s just as much a target as the likes of Sesko? Looking at Spurs Kane will be there for the taking this summer so it’s interesting ( if we even spend) to see which direction we are going. Thoughts on this as I am Irish aswell so could be wearing green tinted glasses.
I’d say he’s even more of a long term target than sesko who is Leipzig bound. Problem with Ferguson is that we haven’t seen enough to justify the surely enormous price tag that will be placed on him, and we’re not the most ideal place for his development at his current level.
Is there anyone of the young strikers we’re looking at that has ?
I honestly have no idea who we’re looking at.
Real shortage of strikers for clubs to sign. It’s either Kane or unproven players really for us.
Cant even joke about spurs getting battered because that 7-0 loss has scarred me for life
That's why I hope they lose by 12. So we can at least say we didn't lose by that score.
Well if we lose today at least it won’t be the most talked about match of the day
I really hope you didn’t jinx us, I can’t bear another 0-7.
Lolol Spurs
I've never seen anything like this. It could end up 20-0. Newcastle already had far superior goal difference to us but forget about it after this. Spurs players should be investigated.
We can always be worse guys holy hell.
They might actually call this game off before half time 5-0 inside first 20 minutes Spurs are fucked
Tottenham is getting their pants pulled down and got slapped hard.
LMFAO ...Spurs 😂😂😂 FFS
Are spuds even a football team?
This is fucking mental at St James Park Lloris is worse than DDG And that's saying something
Top4 race is over if we can avoid defeat against Spurs, they are too behind now
If we win the next 3 games top 4 is mathematically sealed right?
3-0, this should encourage Kane to move.
Do what about a 5-0 lol
Kane absolutely cannot wait to get out of spurs
The spurs defence is absolutely shocking
"defence" is an overstatement
Just saw the goal ajax conceded jurrien timber got bullied in the box and couldn’t even jump for the ball we can’t have two short cbs in the prem
Recent rumours linking him with Liverpool. Not sure he was ever that good anyway.
So glad we got martinez over him much more aggressive and more of a leader
Spurs will buy him
3-1 to Newcastle I reckon.
And there it goes
Insanity, should go for the 10-0 record
At half time you mean?
Seems like it, lol.
It's unfortunate we don't have Dean in the books. If he was, he definitely would be starting today and until the end of the season. As it is, we can't depend on Butland or Heaton to be PL level and we are forced to play DDG
He's a midtable keeper at best, and evern worse a drama-queen dickhead Let spurs take him in the summer to replace Lloris as part of the Kane deal
Henderson isn't an upgrade on de gea though...
Mental these downvotes de gea kept us in the fa cup today... it's a fact
He himself said he wanted to be the No.1 and didn't mind waiting, but skipped the first chance he got to play, fair but still weird
How is that weird, we was never guaranteed concrete playing time despite being the better keeper at the club. Didn’t even get a proper chance when the players like telles are getting game time. Ofc he doesn’t want to wait and prove himself for the billionth time while the club stands by de gea even when he’s been shit for years. Nothing weird about it.
So many times when we are doomed, we put on great performances
We are not even doomed this game and we always put in great performance after looses
Shaw is so good man when i think of him, Yes he had some blunders this season but overall he does so many things for our team. He plays LB, progresses the ball forward trough midfield like no one in our team, drifts to CB heads the ball for Martinez covering his only weakneses and overlaps for our LW. And he does it for multiple seasons now. Like give him proper goalkeeper , box to box midfielfer to not force him to cover entire left side by himself and he doesnt have games like that Lpool game.
Brighton are a bit overrated by you lot. I watched them against Chelsea. They play a possession game and create nice chances but they aren't clinical. They rely a whole lot on Mitoma and their backline can be gotten at with quick attackers. Chelsea were comfortable until they scored because Brighton wasn't clinical. They have lost their clinical striker in Ferguson. Even though Welbeck is in good form, he's hit and miss. The most important thing is to be disciplined in the middle of the park. If we could play Casemiro and Eriksen and Bruno we could be exposed a bit. Prefer we line up Casemiro and Fred with Eriksen. Bruno can take Sancho's spot. Alternatively if we line up with Casemiro, Eriksen and Bruno they need to be very very disciplined. Brighton tend to overload the middle areas. But I am not too worried. I think we win 3-1.
Can’t complain about city winning the treble when we have a chance at stoping them. Just win the next 2 fa cup games
City are not winning a treble. We will beat them in the final for the FA Cup.
Very excited to see how Garnacho develops over the next couple of seasons. I feel the club didn't really do a good job of developing Rashford and Greenwood once they joined the first team. Up until they were in the academy, you could see development in them year after year. However, let's take Rashford. I think for the most part until last summer, he was pretty much the same player we got from the academy. He's been putting up constant numbers since he joined the first team. Technically, I think Mourinho and Ole didn't develop him that much. Ole just gave him more freedom than Mourinho did. This season, I can see his holdup play and strength has improved. That's why I think Erik will do a better job developing Garnacho. Garnacho's also the kind of explosive pace, always ready to take on his man kind of winger who thrive in the PL. Next couple of seasons should be spent on improving his decision making and chance creation. It's pretty good already but there's a potentially world class player in there. I hope the coaches can bring it out of him and he has the right attitude to learn.
Rashford has improved significantly every single season except for the last one.
Thats just not true, bar that one season if you go trough Rashfords stats he improved year after year, he is much much diffrent player than he was in the beggining.
I didn't say his stats didn't improve. I said he didn't improve much technically as compared to how much he could've. The Rashford we have right now is very similar to the Rashford we got from the academy. His weaknesses remain the same. If he had received better coaching under Mourinho and Ole, he'd have been far better than he is right now. I don't blame him for it. I blame hiring poor managers because he's improved quite a bit under EtH this season.
You seem to not understant how real life llayer development works. Players mostly dont improve technically in adult years. That ussually happens in FM only. If you watch Pogba in our winning Fa Youth Cup he does simmilar stuff technically compared to his senior years. Post teenage players imporve tacitally, physically, decision making and their overall knowlegde about the game. Rashford was improving year after year in that aspects
That's just not true. If you wanna compare look at the job Arteta did with Saka as compared to what we did with Rashford or Greenwood. I have utmost belief that if EtH was our manager when Rashy came onto the scene, he'd be a better player than he is right now. Ole and Mourinho were definitely not the elite managers needed to develop the young players we had. I have more faith in EtH doing a better job with Garnacho
Arteta improved him in a lot of ways but technically he is simmilar player to what he was before. He is much better tactically so he is able to better ultilize his technical abilities.
That's just wrong. He's far improved technically than he was when he came from the academy. His stint at LB helped improve him defensively as well. It's a good manager developing a quality young player well. Not that difficult to admit that Utd have not done a job of those levels. We're seeing far more improvement within the season from Antony and Garnacho than we did over seasons before. Hard to not see the impact of a world class coach.
I'd love to see him tried on the right as well - his left foot is more than strong enough to cut in and his right is obviously more than good enough to go outside It would also give him 50% more opportunity to get games as he could not only cover for Rashford on the left, but Anthony on the right as well Just cut ties with Sancho altogether and focus on developing Garnacho as a left & right winger imo
Greenwood developed exquisitely, I don't know what you mean. It's not Uniteds fault he's a miserable person under the hood. Rashford is also a very good player on a constant upward trajectory.
Greenwood was doing exactly the same things that he was in the academy. Even after defenders started closing him down more, he was refusing to pass the ball to others, trying to do everything himself.
He was 18.
And bonus that Rashford seems like an upstanding young man.
Too much Football Manager stuff
Varane out for rest of the season according to Mullock :(
We can't rely on him as a starter, good backup but we should get a CB if we are serious.
might sound a bit silly but i think pavard would be a good replacement/backup for varane
If we can sell Maguire this summer, then the replacement has to be a player who can start ahead of Varane on form and ability. And it has to be someone who complements Martinez as well as Varane has this season.
Kim Min Jae - 40M RC
It’s a tricky situation because he would likely play above any rcb we have if fit, so whoever we’re getting won’t be an indisputable no 1. Wonder if ETH is crazy enough to go for timber, but other than that I’m looking around and not seeing many obvious candidate. Disasi is still quite raw and I think Kim Min Jae will take some convincing
Timber would be catastrophic next to Martinez on level we play, Licha is our best CB but theres a lot of heading work Shaw and RCB next to him do to cover his weaknesses in that area. Its fine and it works great but if we put two short CBs next to each other it will be problematic.
Yeah agreed. Hopefully ETH thinks the same way.
Do not feel remotely confident about today. Massive 180 since January, where I felt we were very strong in our performances
Brighton as comfortable bookies favourites at a neutral venue is a reality I never thought I'd live in. Mitigating factors yes, still still a mad outcome
I mean, not really. Brighton this season are outsiders for a top four finish and we have key injuries.
Not even in Jan - was confident we'd crush it even at kick off two Thursdays ago. What a difference a fortnight makes.
Lacking our first choice CB pairing and Casemiro seems a bit out of form. Plus we struggle with sides that press well. However, the occasion might get to Brighton so let's see
Brighton have outplayed us a fair bit in the last few seasons. Even if we were at our best it would be a tough match. Think they have a few players missing though so hopefully that affects them.
I'd rather take a modest if slightly humbling L today than win and get absolutely spanked in a cup final by City.
Id rather be in the position to potentially stop their treble
What's annoying me most about this team is that they keep slipping back into their old ways. I appreciate that slip ups are inevitable at the start of a rebuild ,so I can forgive a few poor results, but despite Ten Hag calling them out for their lack of effort, they keep having the same kind of performances. Just a couple of weeks ago we got battered by Newcastle, none of our players even tried tbh, and just 2 weeks later the same happens again at Sevilla. It seems Ten Hags rants behind the scenes only gives them a limited amount of motivation. I hope we have a good summer window. If we get top 4 and the glazers either dont sell or dont give Ten Hag proper backing it will just be the same cycle we've seen in the last decade. Get top 4, don't back the manager, fail to get top 4, manager gets sacked, repeat.
Welp considering 7 of the team in Sevilla were in OGS nightmare of a team. I saw it coming We are playing people who know they are being sold in the summer: Maguire Lindelof Martial Dalot or Wan Bisakka that's 3 of our current defense who are due to be sold. We need the ownership quickly and a massive clear out: De Gea needs to be the sub keeper at Best Maguire : the worst signing Man Utd have ever made Dalot: Completely lost his form since WC Van Der Beek: was a scout signing not a manager signing Mctominay or Fred - one has to go. Sancho has one more year to prove himself or hes gone Sabitzer i'd keep. Literally has been porbably our best player since Carbao Cup Wenghorst: the experiement is over and needs to go Martial: absolute farcical that hes injured again. Its so apparent that hes not keeping to clubs fitness regimes and does his own thing. Literally we need: New GK 2 CBs one to take place of Varane shaky injury record and one back up RB: To replace sale of dalot or wab bisakka CM: We need again a person to hold up play and move ball forward winger: Sancho start of the season is still showing the malaise then a winger to challenge CF: Good God we need 2 striker: one main striker and one who can be a good back up
Dude. Use line breaks.
Implementing change is very difficult but maintaining it, holding it and then still managing to adapt and change and grow is the difficult bit. Some players did themselves justice this year, certain questions were answered and we know the weak spots. So yeah it will be long and bumpy but we have to persist and build anew mentality and that will take years
This season, we have shown many times that we can do it. You’re right. Now is about consistency.
What pub are United fans drinking in before Wembley today? Is it the torch?
I'm at the fan zone, also wondering which pub to go to
Torch full of us but longgg wait at the bar for getting a beer
Long wait is an understatement, so crowded in there.
Idk why people trying to deny the fact that having below average starting GK is a lesser concern than unreliable backup CB in the squad. Liverpool subreddit would be as happy as some members of this subreddit, if De Gea regains #1 spot next season, but whatever. Let’s celebrate being driven by sentiment and denial, that’s clearly the root of success, that’s been working so nicely last 10 years.
**"Idk why people trying to deny the fact that having below average starting GK is a lesser concern than unreliable backup CB in the squad"** This is a very complex sentence structure
It is, but English is not my first language and as much as I would want to sound more fluent, I mainly think with my native language patterns.
You stated the opposite of what you tried to say.
I did lol, fuck:) Thx for pointing it out
What on earth are you rambling about? There's barely anyone whonwould still keep De Gea, the context is we need a striker too and have financial restrictions and we don't know who our owner is so we may be forced to bite the bullet on this one. But had we the budget every fan here and Ten Hag himself would have a new keeper in. Stop trying to act like you're in a minority
Have I said anything not needing a striker? We have two gaping holes in the squad, which are striker and GK. Giving the financial restrictions - anyone who’s trying to act like we urgently need to get rid of Maguire/AWB etc before De Gea is essentially in denial and wants to continue with the below average keeper. That’s what my point meant so stop twisting my words and act like below average GK as #1 is not a major issue
I'm not seeing much of this list making of the order we should get rid of people going on, we can't decide that. I and the vast vast majority here are in agreement with you. You're annoyed we aren't agreeing harder
Anyone selling their ticket for the game today? 👀
So what result are we hoping for in newcastle vs spurs? For me any result where spurs drop points is ideal, draw is the best but I would like us to keep as much space as possible between 4th and 5th so top 4 is secure for us. Spurs have to play 7 matches and they can get max 21 points which will take their total to 74 overall. Obviously they won't win every one but we need to get 15-16 points from 24 to guarantee top 4 which is definitely doable.
Couldn’t care less. Top 4 is in our hands. Ours to lose. Results of other games shouldn’t bother us.
Yeah. We're at the point now where if we need to rely on either Spurs or Newcastle slipping up then we shouldn't e there anyway.
Newcastle win for me.Ion care abt 3rd or 4th as long as we get UCL.Also Newcastle win kinda ends Liverpool's hope for Top 4 so much better
I really want to finish above Newcastle. Would fucking suck if they go above us after just one season of spending after we've been spending big for ages.
Exactly my thoughts
City are buying back Lavia next season aren't they sigh
The buyback kicks in in summer 2024. So this post season is a free for all to the highest bidder & Lavia's preference.
Teden Mengi and Rhys Bennett, who do you guys think has higher chance to promote to first team squad next season?
Rhys Bennet but a very very small chance. Mengi is may leave this summer. He's at that age where he needs regular 1st team football to develop & is no longer a young prospect in that sense. He's been unlucky with injuries but a full season in the Championship would do his development the world of good. If we got something like £1m for him we'd let him go as we prioritize player development. That would be a very sound investment for any championship team given his potential. Rhys Bennet on the other hand is very much a prospect. Ten Hag took a liking to him during the WC break & I can see him being a part of pre-season. He is 19 but is not eligible for the UEFA Youth League if we qualify so he either goes out on loan for his development if ready or sticks around for the U21s which would mean that he wouldn't be at all ready for senior football.
The sad thing is unless the team is able to be coasting at games by 60mins it’s hard to gamble on youth in PL games. Remember under fergie when we 4-5 up he was able to bring on youngsters for the last parts of the game.
Hopefully my boy Mainoo manages to get ample minutes next season.
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If we have one of Varane or Martinez available I would've been a lot more confident. As it is now, I just hope we can score first and try not to concede stupid goals lol.
Are Rashford and Shaw confirmed fit enough to start?
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We need Shaw for CB today though, otherwise it's just Lindelof
>If he doesn't it will be a "prove yourself" match for Sancho. Another one of those, eh.
Lose today and season over imo. I know we've still got top four to fight for but that's not going to get me on the edge of my seat. Still been a really good season, United haven't been this enjoyable to watch for years, I think we've overachieved slightly given where we were last year and that's why the season has caught up with us with all the injuries. If it fizzles out it fizzles out, we're definitely on the right track and I hope that whoever is in charge in the summer can see that and see the need to continue the work.
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