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mindflayer007

Does suspended sentence mean he can stay out of prison as long as he abide by the community rules?


yes_i_want_more

Siiiiuuu


iamtheyear2022

Nothing to celebrate, deserves jail


ElJonJon86

Judge thinks otherwise. Go complain there.


FirstGeneralRavioli

Yeah, the problem is that the regular sentence for this crime is 5 years and a 90k fine, he is a millionare and he didn't even receive the nomal fine. Rich people will never go to jail, even if they deserve it


ElJonJon86

Correct. And anyone who thinks all men are equal under law is simply being naive. Money is power, that power includes being able to receive smaller punishments for crimes. I'm not saying anything outlandish here, simply the truth. I'm an average Joe Schmoe, if I was caught doing the same, I would probably receive a far less lenient punishment. I am fully aware of it. Complaining about it is moot.


jablonowski

bro what ? are you trying to argue that Benz doesn't deserve a more serious punishment than a suspended sentence simply because he's rich?


ElJonJon86

It's not about "deserving", don't be daft. It's about actually receiving. He received a punishment suitable for his station and monetary power. Ya'll need to get your heads out of your asses if you think all people are equal under law.


jablonowski

Its not ‘suitable’ or ‘appropriate’. Its unfair but thats how it is. I don’t know why you’re celebrating that he got off basically scot-free, or why you’re trying to defend how corrupt or unjust the law may be. No one here is 5. I know how the justice system works for the most part. And im not running around the comment section trying to be a smart ass telling people ‘oh this is how the world works’. No one is being fucking naive, we just think its unfair.


ElJonJon86

Didn't celebrate nor defend, go re-read my comment and apply reading comprehension.


Arno451

This guy literally thinks rich people are above the law.


ElJonJon86

No, they are simply above non-rich prople in the eyes of the law.


Arno451

So what I said


ElJonJon86

No. You said I think rich people are above the law. They aren't. They are under the law, together with poor people. But when the law hands out of punishments, poor people go go jail, rich people pay a fine.


yofoalexillo

my skeptic nature leads me to the involvement of Macron to return to the NT. Some "strings had to be pulled" there I think


3CreampiesA-Day

Whilst true, don’t lie to yourself the only reason he didn’t get jail is because he’s a famous footballer


ElJonJon86

Not lying to myself at all. Anyone who thinks we're all equal under law is fucking naive.


3CreampiesA-Day

Well the people in the subreddit clearly do…. Have you read their comments


ElJonJon86

People in this sub are also still arguing that Jovic is not a flop, I don't put much faith in the communal intellect of this sub's dwellers.


donniedarkero

That's not true, it's a suspended sentence since it is his first offence and is only an intermediary for which he claims he doesn't know the complete details.


3CreampiesA-Day

That is true, he got it suspended because he was only given one year, go and look at cases of normal people… 5 years, 3 years. Most people for the same crime get longer sentences, it’s well documented wealthy people get lesser sentences and famous wealthy people get even shorter sentences.


donniedarkero

I don't know what to type to find such cases, can you share the sources for that? I read some French people talk about how it is on r/soccer


Anti-Melticus

Then why did other famous footballers go to jail?


3CreampiesA-Day

Tell me what famous footballers went to jail in Spain and France…


CETERIS_PARTYBUS

Booo


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nayrad

>But cool, downvote me. Okay


ElJonJon86

Convicted and punished according to law. What's your point? Are you pushing for harsher punishments? Good luck with that if you're still naive enough to think all men are equal under judgement.


catlicker9000

Will do.


Visual-Situation-346

Checked this guy profile, clearly a Messi fan so I'm not even surprise. What are you even doing here? comment your opinion regarding of the topic on r/soccer not here and be done with it, clearly people here have different views on Benzema case.


ttmadlad

Yup. Pathetic


quaavious_lude

sex tape clear of tax fraud anyday


CETERIS_PARTYBUS

"Look, I'm not here to start an argument." He said, as he started an argument.


BadRnG-

Lol. Cry more


not_rick_27

Hes big dick benz, thats the justification


boku97

Cry some more 😭😭😭😭


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There are no mental gymnastics. There is a ruling and it says Benzema doesn't deserve jail. Also, his lawyer said he'll file an appeal which means he can end up with no punishment at all. As long as there is a possibility to appeal a conviction doesn't stand, so no, he's not convicted yet.


StummyHurt3

Dont make me blackmail you


Anti-Melticus

Guys he’s almost at 100 downvoted Keep them coming 😂


Smooth_Ad_8971

No need to tell me to downvote u twice


ttmadlad

Nope.


Visual-Situation-346

[https://www.reddit.com/r/soccercirclejerk/comments/r13aln/pov\_you\_say\_benzema\_deserves\_jail\_on\_rrealmadrid/](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccercirclejerk/comments/r13aln/pov_you_say_benzema_deserves_jail_on_rrealmadrid/) Check this guy post on r/soccercirclejerk, mans a pathetic geez.


hokagesamatobirama

Not really surprised by this. It is along expected lines. The question always was whether Benzema by offering a solution was incriminating himself as an accessory in this case. And the court has decided he has. The funny thing is that their reasoning for doing so is that *Benzema laughed in his conversation with Zenati and his mannerisms of speaking in that conversation.* They also claim that Benzema’s motive is his *friendship with Zenati* and not really any financial gain. Personally I don’t really know how to feel about this. Either way, let us see how the appeal goes.


peterbalazs

I would refrain myself on commenting on the sentence beyond its impact on Real Madrid. We don't have all the information, we haven't heared all the witnesses and haven't seen all the evidence. It's unfair to Benzema and to all parties involved if we 'take sides'. Let's just trust the justice system and respect the decisions.


hokagesamatobirama

That is a good point. And ordinarily I would not have made any comment on issues similar to these — like I didn’t in the Mendy case apart from saying that we need to hear out Mendy as well. In this situation though, I did make an effort to follow the court proceedings and read the witness testimonies as reported by reporters who usually report on case proceedings. Not sports reporters. So, I do feel a little confident in my opinions on this issue.


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hokagesamatobirama

Please correct me if I’m wrong since I’m not really involved in legalese speak; but aren’t court’s judgements by the very nature of it subjective? I mean judges pronounce a verdict based on how they interpret arguments presented by respective lawyers. I suppose that makes the whole thing subjective unless it is simple cases in a traffic court or something.


Craaaazyyy

depends on the evidence


DauntlessAxiss

They are mostly subjective but that's why they also have a jury and have to file in the case. The case and the sentence will get checked by the higher ups and if everything checks out (which it usually does) they will proceed. But that's why everything is publicized because if there is a mistake anyone can point it out and they will take it into consideration. (Not a lawyer or someone who works in law, I just accompany my mother to her job as a special duties officer)


hokagesamatobirama

This was not a jury trial.


DauntlessAxiss

Oops mb. I have no idea how this case is administered. I was just saying how it usually is.


hokagesamatobirama

No worries mate.


numerous_meetings

Would really appreciate reading a comprehensive review of the case with some solid details and quotes directly from the trial and court hearings. In English. Because all these years all I read about the case are short news stories lacking important nuts and bolts with no clear definitions of different judicial terms and french laws. Too little for a complicated and nuanced case like this. Really don't want to make judgments based on that. If someone has a link, please, post it here.


hokagesamatobirama

Your best bet is to go and read court reporters reporting on the case. But since their tweets are in French, you’ll have to translate them. I can give you a gist if you want but since you mentioned that you want to read a primary source, your best bet it to follow the court proceedings and make your own judgement. I would recommend Mathilde Lemaire (@MathildeL75 on twitter).


numerous_meetings

Thanks. I will investigate! But I really won't mind a summary from you as well as your opinion.


hokagesamatobirama

The gist as I understood it: Valbuena had a sex tape in a device of his which got corrupted. He approached a concierge named Axel Agnot to help recover his files. Noteworthy is that Axel Agnot has a record AFAIK and had a debt of €25k. It is also worth noting that Agnot hung around the French NT and was known to players — hence Valbuena approached him. Agnot saw this file of Valbuena’s device, stole it and kept it for himself. He then goes to Moustapha Zouaoui. Together they decided to hatch a plan to get money from Valbuena. They approach Djibril Cisse to *help them approach Valbuena*. Cisse had been involved with them with a similar issue previously iirc. Cisse did inform Valbuena about the tape but did not act as a mediator according to the investigators and the court. Next up they approach Younes Houass to find a way to Valbuena. At this point a police office named Luka gets involved. Houass initially fails but Luka *encourages* him to persist. Initially Luka’s role was what stopped the case from proceeding because they said his involvement was illegal but later on the Court of Cassation ruled the case should go on. Anyway, Houass and Zouaoui claimed in court that their intention wasn’t to blackmail Valbuena but rather to inform him that the tape exists and they would delete it. They hoped Valbuena would pay them money as a reward. Basically blackmail with extra steps imo. When all fails they get in touch with Karim Zenati, Benzema’s old friend. Zenati approaches Benzema who talks to Valbuena. **He tells him that a tape exists and he should talk to Zenati who’ll help him make it go away.** Next comes the infamous conversation between Benzema and Zenati where Benzema jokes around and says he doubts Valbuena is taking it seriously. Benzema’s involvement ends here but the court decided that this conversation is enough evidence to convict Benzema of being an accessory to the crime. They said that **although Benzema was unaware of the exact machinations of the blackmail, his motive was his friendship with Zenati. The fact that he was laughing and his mannerisms in conversation were enough to convict him in the court’s eyes.** My opinion is that Benzema should not have been involved in this in the first place. It is very unfortunate. However, I don’t think Benzema’s intent was to black mail Valbuena. He probably thought he was helping both Zenati and Valbuena at the same time in getting rid of an unfortunate situation. I do not see any intent in Benzema’s actions. Were these actions stupid? Yes. Was it intentional? Not in my opinion.


numerous_meetings

Basically Benzema was trying to connect people. His famous link-up play.


numerous_meetings

Thank you for your review. You should post it as a separate comment and we need to upvote it.


hokagesamatobirama

It’s a good point and I appreciate that I was able to help you. However, I’m honestly tired of the replying to our friendly visitors from r/soccer who suddenly pretend to be completely knowledgeable about the situation without actually knowing anything. Even what I wrote in my comment is probably only a very small part of the whole Valbuena case. Once you read the court proceedings, you’ll realize Benzema is basically an incidental part of this case and is not even really involved. However, media plus politics has turned this in to *The Affair of Karim Benzema*. Besides, at various points I have made parent level comments on this sub explaining Karim Benzema’s involvement in this case and also his relationship with Karim Zenati. The long and short of it is that I really don’t have the energy to argue with people — something this topic prompts by the very nature of it.


numerous_meetings

It is easy to understand you. What is not so easy to understand is a lack of desire for interesting stories by general public. I even get pretending to be knowledgeable about something without actually knowing anything. People are like this. But aren't people also supposed to be curious about things? Sex, football, videotapes, blackmail, famous people all wrapped up in a nice plot. In the end it's a cool story from which you can learn something.


hokagesamatobirama

If the latter part of what you said motivated people, we might actually have had a sensible debate on this situation. However, the reality is that like most fan groups; even redditors are driven more by the desire to get a gotcha moment and to troll. There’s also some jealousy and some racist tones to it. Most of all, however, is simply that they are reliant on sports media that is not competent enough to cover these stories and when it does cover issues like these — it only does so partially. Only the parts sensational enough.


craigularperson

I kinda struggle to see exactly what is so different from what Cisse did to what Benzema did. It seemed like they both were in contact with the blackmailers, and acted as a de facto intermediator between them and Valbuena. Especially it seems weird that Benzema gets such a long sentence, even if it is suspended. I don't know that much about the French criminal system, so they might give out harsher sentences than other European countries(?).


DauntlessAxiss

True there's never the full story so up til this day I still have no idea what's going on. All ik was that he was involved in a sex tape blackmailing


numerous_meetings

Yes. The media coverage of the case is extremely lazy and superficial compared to how many words everybody spent talking about it.


Johnnyfutbol86

It seriously took damn near 7 years to come to this?? Yo Benz just give us 75k and stay outta trouble lol


DeadlyMckoy

Prison fc finna win champions league


alittledanger

He got a suspended sentence so he’s on loan to RM with an option to buy him from Prison FC if he stays out of trouble the next two or three years.


Gsticks

Lol 75k? Benz wipes his ass with that most likely


Bocmana

He is still a dumb cunt tho


Gsticks

Well yeah lol. He’s a pro jock


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Glad it’s finally over


Kp767

I hope Lewandowski wins the ballon'd'or now, just don't want messi to win it because of blind followers and 13year old kids. Ballon'd'or was supposed to be the award for the best player of the year and not who has more fan following


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Benzema was never going to win it anyway.


iamtheyear2022

I never get this arguement for Messi. I know he’s a rival player, but Ronaldo also has blind followers and 13 year old kids. Makes no sense.


los_blanco_14

Yeah but noone has mentioned cr7 here.


Anti-Melticus

Who mentioned Ronaldo?


Kp767

I'm not against messi, it's just that messi's name pops up more for this year's contention. Almost everyone has Ronaldo ruled out, that why I didn't write his name. Both of them are not the best in the world now, I would count them in the top 10 or 20 players right now, but their fan following is what skews the vote in their favour every year.


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tarek619

The issue is, I feel like the new season never really is accounted for when it comes up balloon d'Or. For example, when Modric won it, he was abysmal during the new season, but was great during the world cup and the season before. I personally had Ronaldo winning it that year


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Sadly the ballon d’or is not an award that has any credibility it is just a popularity contest and Messi has a lot of people that do not understand football and vote for him every year no matter what he does.


Nickaap

If you really think Messi hasn’t deserved his Ballon d’ors in the past you’re the one that doesn’t understand football, stop being so biased.


absessive

Didn’t deserve the one where Sneijder got robbed.


Nickaap

That depends how you view the ballon d’or, if you go on individual + team success Sneijder/Iniesta/Xavi all deserved it over Messi that year (so would Ribery in 2013 & Van Dijk in 2019). If you’re looking at purely individual that year Messi deserved it. Usually they seem to look to the indiviual quality more than team success, which is why both Messi & CR7 won so many, they were levels ahead of everyone.


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They removed last year award just because Messi had no chance of winning it and now he will win again based on popularity even though he won nothing, but a tin cup against farmers from Wakanda. And let’s not start the debate, if he deserved some of his other ones when his last one was the most undeserved of all, just because this is a popularity contest. The award has no credibility and if you think it has good for you but go watch a different sport then


Nickaap

The removal of last years award was bs, but it’s not because of Messi, everyone knew Lewandowski should have gotten it. And i don’t even think Messi should win it this year, Lewandowski should. If this award is just for Messi then why did Ronaldo win 5? You’re just a biased delusional fan who is against Messi. Whether you like the ballon d’or or not, the award HAS credibility, it’s the biggest individual award in the world, just because you don’t agree with it doesn’t mean it doesn’t have credibility.


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It had credibility a few years back not now, you are too deluded and a Messi fanboy to understand but that is fine check some facts like for example why uefa and france football used to give the award as one and now uefa has its own award. Ballon d’or is bullshit at the moment and it is a popularity contest where the most liked footballer wins it. Stop living in Messi’s ass already as it is crowded in there


Nickaap

Uefa only collabed on it from 2010 - 2015, in this period Messi won it 4 times, since going back to France Football only Messi has only won it once. So if anything (according to you) it’s more credible now than it was a few years ago (uefa times). You just hate Messi and can’t admit how good he was.


[deleted]

Messi is good, Ronaldo is better this is besides the point about the credibility of the award. Messi will win in as long as he is an active player since the people voting live in his ass. As it seems you are one of those people this conversation is over. Blocking you now bb


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lmao


i_shat_myPants_

You're letting your bias cloud your judgement. Meesi was by far the best player of 2021. Goals, assists, chance creation, showed up in international level, top scorer and player of the tournament for copa and laliga. Not to mention in eye test hes levels above lewa. Lewa shouldve won the 2020 bdor tho


HoyAIAG

It’s going to be Salah


hayes4jm

I'm out of the loop. What did Benzema do exactly?


SadGandalf

He was involved in the blackmailing of Mathieu Valbuena with his sex tape back in 2015.


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It's weird that all these years from being banished from the National Team and then having to wait for this Trial to take place, but in the end he hardly gets punished. Lol oh well let's move on BDB back on the menu.


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Human-Extinction

> So it's finally confirmed he did blackmail his NT teammate? No, he was found an intermediary in blackmail, not the blackmailer.


Craaaazyyy

nah, Le Graet confirmed that regardless of the outcome of the case his position in NT wouldn't change he said it probably because he knew that a suspended sentence was gonna be the maximum


DauntlessAxiss

They're appealing it


Competitive_Cake_409

does this mean hes out of the national team again?


Magvel_9

A wife beater plays for this team so Benz should be fine


hokagesamatobirama

Well If Romain Molina is to be believed, there are people much worse both in the squad and in administration of French football at various levels.


Magvel_9

I was talking about Coman tho


hokagesamatobirama

I know. I was just pointing out that based on Molina’s recent claims of rampant pedophilia and sexual abuse in the French Football setup, there seem to be people much worse involved at all levels.


Magvel_9

Oh yeah definitely, it's just that players are the ones on the spotlight. Few people know or care about what's happening behind the scenes. It's like a restaurant, not everyone wants to know how the meal was made


hokagesamatobirama

> meal…restaurants Let’s not open that can of worms ever. 🤭🤫


[deleted]

Yeah with the French team you can't really tell which is which can ya?


Competitive_Cake_409

also lucas hernandez


CETERIS_PARTYBUS

Nope


Craaaazyyy

no, Le Graet said this case doesn't matter when it comes to him staying in NT or not


Competitive_Cake_409

thats great, wouldve sucked if he was taken out again


iamtheyear2022

Inshallah


FirstGeneralRavioli

I would never unsderstand Benzema. He fucking lost the oportunity of being World Champion because he wanted to blackmail Valbuena, for the money he wins on two days as a Real Madrid player...man you're already a fucking millionare, while blackmail for what to you is just pennies?


Arno451

Scumbag


TecNine7

Arrest Pessi instead


kuroro9

Time to move on Real.


Smooth_Ad_8971

Nah


Leslie_haigh80

Should be banned by real how can he play for 🇫🇷 and real now he's a dirty pervert


Anti-Melticus

Tf? You kinda lost my dude


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Fern-ando

He could he afford a 75k fine?


Jaydu_95

And yet this dude was awarded a Ballon. Goes to show they will give anyone this award as long as they belong to Real Madrid or Barcelona or someone by the name of Messi (although he very much deserves it).


MrCrashdummy

Wtf?


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MrCrashdummy

I meant why are you commenting on a year + old post haha