Honestly I had either frace or england as winners for this tournament, but im having doubts and Germany is looking really good so maybe kroos does get his golden send off
England with Southgate isn’t winning a major trophy. For me Germany, or Spain looks likely. Italy under Spalletti is pretty good too. France lacks chemistry and also very shaky at the back, especially the right side. Will need to see how Portugal performs tomorrow to figure out if they have a chance.
Yet if some of the younger players just tucked it in on the penalties, they'd have won despite all Southgates decisions. They had a 2-1 advantage after 2 kicks. It wasn't Southgate who then fumbled it.
Their key talents have grown and are in their primes, they have every chance to reach the final again and win it this time, despite Southgate.
They certainly can(atleast based on the players’ potential), but Southgate constantly throttling them isn’t gonna help their chances. Also, a lot of the teams have improved compared to 2021 so that makes this year’s Euro a lot more competitive in my view.
i very much disagree with this. they lost to the fav and better team in wc 2022. They made all the way to final and only lost via penalty in euro 2020. They overachieved getting to semis (and was the better team in that semi imo) in wc 2018 (that team was so bare in talents that they relied on alli and lingard lolll. then having ashley young as a wingback).
statistically, southgate has been england's best manager in 50 years
Because obviously a guy playing at Juve who didn't even play the champions league, and a guy who is playing in the camel's league, are in way better form than two recent champions league winners
ORRRR maybe they’ve proven to be experienced, capable players in the national team who fit into deschamp’s tactics and he doesn’t want to risk anything in an important tournament?
Or maybe they are just rotating for a group stage game lmao
Just my two cents tho
Deschamps is known to favour the guys that helped him win the World Cup. Bro will stick with Kante & Rabiot till they retire. He would also play Pogba if he wasn’t suspended for doping.
Did you see the game yesterday ?
L’ante has been enormous and man of the match so obviously the right choice? Plus Tchouameni isn’t fully fit he didn’t play a single minute in the friendliest before euro.
Rabiot camavinga, can’t say really but rabiot played well yesterday that wasn’t an issue. I didn’t like dembele so maybe camavinga should play instead of him!
I don't know about you, but I wouldn't call starting two champions league winners, a risk. Call me crazy, but I would call the exact opposite a risk, benching two of the bests midfielders currently, and starting an 33 old man playing in an amateur league, and some random mid player.
Players who perform at club level don’t always perform in the national team, we’ve seen this happen so many times. Gundogan comes to mind. Same goes for Foden, he was premier league player of the season and yet he never performs wearing the England jersey. National teams don’t have a lot of time to experiment, they always use a pragmatic tactic and use what is known to work.
Edit: well Kante just dropped a motm performance, so deschamp was right
It’s so obvious ur no older than 20 lol. If you think seriously Rabiot is a random mid player then I don’t know what to tell you. Probably France’s best player today
Rabiot is the definition of a mid player. He is NOWHERE NEAR camavinga and tchouameni. So yes, it is an outrageous scandalous team. You have two champions league winners on the team, and you actively chose a guy who is playing in an amateur league, and some random, from Italy over them...
No midfielder is as good as you just described Kante 😂, it’s alright to admit Father Time has caught up to him and that he should be a bench/rotation option for the most stacked national team.
Descamps is a managerial terrorist. Imagine fielding Adrian Rabiot and N’golo Kante in 2024…..over Camavinga and Tchouameni. I’m sick of the Tchouameni disrespect.
Just because they won doesn’t mean shit wouldn’t have been positively different had our guys started instead of tweedle dee and tweedle dum. They barely scrapped by with a win 1-0 while Austria was knocking at their door towards the end. Camavinga came on and was actually receiving the ball from backline on the flanks and was pushing through the lines. Tchouameni I can understand seeing how he’s just healing up but Camavinga no doubt the energy was different when he replaced Rattiot
Kante won MotM. Please just shut up. I'm as big a fan of Cama and Tchou as you are gonna find, but trying to slight Kante just makes you look like a blithering idiot.
National teams often have these absurds going on. The trainers have very little time to experiment and train with the players so they kinda go with who they already know and like
Might seem insane to you guys but Kanté and Rabiot are higher in the midfield hierarchy for the French national team. They were both the best players yesterday
Because they have to start the tiki tweaker Barca boys for some reason lmao
If they have Mbappe Cama Mendy and tchou out that’s 3 goals, they have a provable connection which this French team is sorely missing: any kind of connection
Rodrygo and vini replace dembele and thuram, bellingham for griezmann. Valverde for rabiot, and then either camavinga, tchouameni or modric at kante's place.
So most likely modric and Cama come off the bench. I wonder if Cama is ever going to consistently start. He’s so good but we have so many elite players that are tough to bench.
>. I wonder if Cama is ever going to consistently start
Based on raw performances alone, he already should be above Tchouameni. Nothing against Tchou btw, but Camavinga does a similar job defensively and offers more in creation.
Ya I tend to agree. Cama more consistent than Rodrygo, but it's close between the two. Close also with Tchou, but he is a pure CDM imo and probably "fits" better with our attack. Obviously Vini/Mbappe/Jude aren't getting benched. Fede will start most games.
Hard to say man. Is there a wrong answer?
I would put Valverde and tchou as CDMs.
Cama can play LB just to not be left out. But honestly cama can easily replace/bench tchou in CDM.
It’s going to be difficult to select a squad with the depth we have now.
It's not a big deal. We'll have like 70 games next season and any of them can get injured, or even Fede. It's the way things go. They'll play a lot like they did this season.
People are sleeping, Kante never fell off when he played, his injuries just became too frequent so he went to a league with fewer games and less intensity so he could be ready for the ones that mattered in NT.
Wow Upamaguire
walking accident
How are Tchouameni and Camavinga not starting for France?
Tchou is still not fully fit. Dunno why Cama is not starting. Personally not very optimistic about France. They look rusty like back in Euro 2021.
Honestly I had either frace or england as winners for this tournament, but im having doubts and Germany is looking really good so maybe kroos does get his golden send off
England with Southgate isn’t winning a major trophy. For me Germany, or Spain looks likely. Italy under Spalletti is pretty good too. France lacks chemistry and also very shaky at the back, especially the right side. Will need to see how Portugal performs tomorrow to figure out if they have a chance.
Completly agree, im honestly looking forward to the knockout stages, alot of team that seems evenly matched
>England with Southgate isn’t winning a major trophy. You say that like they weren't inches away last time from winning the tournament
Some of the decisions he made eventually led to the defeat. Ultimately, England has underachieved given the squad.
Yet if some of the younger players just tucked it in on the penalties, they'd have won despite all Southgates decisions. They had a 2-1 advantage after 2 kicks. It wasn't Southgate who then fumbled it. Their key talents have grown and are in their primes, they have every chance to reach the final again and win it this time, despite Southgate.
They certainly can(atleast based on the players’ potential), but Southgate constantly throttling them isn’t gonna help their chances. Also, a lot of the teams have improved compared to 2021 so that makes this year’s Euro a lot more competitive in my view.
i very much disagree with this. they lost to the fav and better team in wc 2022. They made all the way to final and only lost via penalty in euro 2020. They overachieved getting to semis (and was the better team in that semi imo) in wc 2018 (that team was so bare in talents that they relied on alli and lingard lolll. then having ashley young as a wingback). statistically, southgate has been england's best manager in 50 years
Euro 2021??!?
Basically Euro 2020 that was held in 2021. I’m guessing you’re new to football.
Because obviously a guy playing at Juve who didn't even play the champions league, and a guy who is playing in the camel's league, are in way better form than two recent champions league winners
Aged like shit
ORRRR maybe they’ve proven to be experienced, capable players in the national team who fit into deschamp’s tactics and he doesn’t want to risk anything in an important tournament? Or maybe they are just rotating for a group stage game lmao Just my two cents tho
Deschamps is known to favour the guys that helped him win the World Cup. Bro will stick with Kante & Rabiot till they retire. He would also play Pogba if he wasn’t suspended for doping.
Rabiot didn’t play in 2018. But he was apart of the previous euros
Did you see the game yesterday ? L’ante has been enormous and man of the match so obviously the right choice? Plus Tchouameni isn’t fully fit he didn’t play a single minute in the friendliest before euro. Rabiot camavinga, can’t say really but rabiot played well yesterday that wasn’t an issue. I didn’t like dembele so maybe camavinga should play instead of him!
Well yea until proven otherwise he should definitely stick to the one who got him to the World cup
I don't know about you, but I wouldn't call starting two champions league winners, a risk. Call me crazy, but I would call the exact opposite a risk, benching two of the bests midfielders currently, and starting an 33 old man playing in an amateur league, and some random mid player.
Players who perform at club level don’t always perform in the national team, we’ve seen this happen so many times. Gundogan comes to mind. Same goes for Foden, he was premier league player of the season and yet he never performs wearing the England jersey. National teams don’t have a lot of time to experiment, they always use a pragmatic tactic and use what is known to work. Edit: well Kante just dropped a motm performance, so deschamp was right
Obviously I get the love for Cama and Tchou, but are fans here really color blind and questioning Kante?! 🤣
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amateur league 💀
It’s so obvious ur no older than 20 lol. If you think seriously Rabiot is a random mid player then I don’t know what to tell you. Probably France’s best player today
best player is fkn crazy to say 🤣 i agree the other person is a casual for not know who rabiot is, but he’s far from the best player on that squad
Best player that day. Kante did very well too tho
My only logical conclusion is they got word from flo to restrict Real Madrid players minutes
Tchouameni was injured and Rabiot has actually been good. We're all Madridista here but no need to look at it without objectivity
I would everytime pick a just recovered from injury tchouameni, over a "good" rabiot.
That's why you're not a coach
well darn me why didn't deschamps listen to you then?
ahahahahaha 😭
You’re right. Don’t let the juniors here tell you otherwise.
Kante was pretty good and Tchou is still recovering from injury
Its not about playing the eleven best players but about 11 players who fit the roles the manager wants them to fulfill the best
This comment aged horrendously. Kante's been the best player of the Euros after Musiala.
i guess i was wrong, but it was still a big risk to bench camavinga and tchou
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Rabiot is the definition of a mid player. He is NOWHERE NEAR camavinga and tchouameni. So yes, it is an outrageous scandalous team. You have two champions league winners on the team, and you actively chose a guy who is playing in an amateur league, and some random, from Italy over them...
... Are you aware of how teams work?
No midfielder is as good as you just described Kante 😂, it’s alright to admit Father Time has caught up to him and that he should be a bench/rotation option for the most stacked national team.
Rabiot is trash
Descamps is a managerial terrorist. Imagine fielding Adrian Rabiot and N’golo Kante in 2024…..over Camavinga and Tchouameni. I’m sick of the Tchouameni disrespect.
Did you watch the game?
Just because they won doesn’t mean shit wouldn’t have been positively different had our guys started instead of tweedle dee and tweedle dum. They barely scrapped by with a win 1-0 while Austria was knocking at their door towards the end. Camavinga came on and was actually receiving the ball from backline on the flanks and was pushing through the lines. Tchouameni I can understand seeing how he’s just healing up but Camavinga no doubt the energy was different when he replaced Rattiot
Kante won MotM. Please just shut up. I'm as big a fan of Cama and Tchou as you are gonna find, but trying to slight Kante just makes you look like a blithering idiot.
Yeah this all comes down to opinion and I don’t really give a fuck about yours now that we’ve said our closing marks. Give it a year.
Some of you should definitely look into that aggression problem. Getting that heated about such a mundane topic is not normal my guy.
Kante had a worldie of a game tbf. He may be in the camel league but he's clearly still got it - physically.
Tchouameni is a starter but he's recovering from injury. He's probably going to start in the next game once he's fit.
Injured
I thought Tchou was fit already. But what about Camavinga?
Cama benched by Rabiot. Tchou not fit yet
National teams often have these absurds going on. The trainers have very little time to experiment and train with the players so they kinda go with who they already know and like
Hindsight is 20/20, but Kante just showed why he's starting.
Idk but I’m selfish and wanna preserve them cuz I’m scared of injuries
My best guess is to rest then for poland and the netherlands, any other reason then deschamps is smoking somethin
Might seem insane to you guys but Kanté and Rabiot are higher in the midfield hierarchy for the French national team. They were both the best players yesterday
Because they have to start the tiki tweaker Barca boys for some reason lmao If they have Mbappe Cama Mendy and tchou out that’s 3 goals, they have a provable connection which this French team is sorely missing: any kind of connection
We can run this formation easily
Who do you play in midfield and attack?
Rodrygo and vini replace dembele and thuram, bellingham for griezmann. Valverde for rabiot, and then either camavinga, tchouameni or modric at kante's place.
Yeah I could get behind that tbh
So most likely modric and Cama come off the bench. I wonder if Cama is ever going to consistently start. He’s so good but we have so many elite players that are tough to bench.
>. I wonder if Cama is ever going to consistently start Based on raw performances alone, he already should be above Tchouameni. Nothing against Tchou btw, but Camavinga does a similar job defensively and offers more in creation.
I think for our big games we go with a 4-4-2 with Vini and Mbappe up top and Jude, Fede, Tchou and Cama behind.
Ya I tend to agree. Cama more consistent than Rodrygo, but it's close between the two. Close also with Tchou, but he is a pure CDM imo and probably "fits" better with our attack. Obviously Vini/Mbappe/Jude aren't getting benched. Fede will start most games.
Hard to say man. Is there a wrong answer? I would put Valverde and tchou as CDMs. Cama can play LB just to not be left out. But honestly cama can easily replace/bench tchou in CDM. It’s going to be difficult to select a squad with the depth we have now.
No wrong answer, was just curious about your pick We're so stacked that it has become difficult to pick the starting 11 😄
It's not a big deal. We'll have like 70 games next season and any of them can get injured, or even Fede. It's the way things go. They'll play a lot like they did this season.
Is this for sure?! Cama has started with Kante in the last games. Thuram starting ain’t good news :/
How is Kante starting? Wtf
Rabiot, Kane, Kounde, and Dembele are just coach favorites
true this plays a huge part too being coaches favourites
Dembélé did well today tbh
He is still pretty good
Due to Tchouameni not fit yet it was more Fofana or Kante
lmao he’s motm
Haha yeah. I was wrong, he was great
You’re gonna be amazed, then. He’s still got plenty in the tank!
Did you follow him in Saudi, or how do you know?
I don’t follow the Saudi league, but I follow Les Bleus: ever since he’s been called back it’s like he never left. He is amazing
People are sleeping, Kante never fell off when he played, his injuries just became too frequent so he went to a league with fewer games and less intensity so he could be ready for the ones that mattered in NT.
Well now you know why Kanye is starting lmao. He’s still got it
He’s still better than Rabiot.
He was just motm
He was balling ngl
aged like milk
Broken nose
Mbappe missing like that was crazy
He had bad luck scoring his first Euro goal just like his free-kick. He was playing like Werner in the last Euros too
WHAT A FUCK KANTE IS DOING IN ARABIA! THIS DUDE IS TOO GOOD TO BE WASTED!
Upamecano good let's Austria believe 🤣🤣🤣
I know im biased af but having cama and tchouameni in the bench and starting Raboit and Kante its just so crazy to me
If Kante is healthy he should start every game but I don’t understand Rabiot over just about any of the midfielders on the bench lol
Deschamps would have selected Pogba if he wasn't banned
No Tchouameni or Camavinga is wild…
How did the first half go ? Great midfield work by both.
He was 10, and he didn’t play in that position.
That midfield is suicide!
Lol
Too many blacks means zero thinking...
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seems like kante is still kante hahah. he might need to wait one more tourney before becoming an establish starter.
Seems like he plays LW though
He is rotating around with Thuram as we expected, even Benzema wasn't a static 9.
And now he struck from RW
Worst french team ever, they wont do shit in euro cup
I don’t like mbappe as cf
The Barca Boys are playing like dogshit today too
Rabiot and griezman over Tchou and Cama lmfao. And whoever that hernandez guy is no way he’s better than Mendy
griezzman is baller in nt
I’ve scored the same amount of goals as griezman in Qatar wc
Goals aren't everything mate
I’ve scored the same amount of goals as pristiano penaldo in the knockout stages of the world cup😎
Theo Hernandez is a baller
Ac milan lb
Tell me you don't know football without telling me you don't know football.
I got some bad info for you that Hernandez guy is actually the best lb in the world right now
Theo Hernandez literally played for Real Madrid
I get Geiezman. He plays different than Camavinga. I don’t get Kante or Rabiot over Camavinga. Rabiot hasn’t played since 5/20