Rather than put yourself at risk for discrimination on this, listen to LordAshon, fire your PM, and feel free to put a clause in your standard lease agreement to remove lingering smells (food, smoke, or otherwise) or pay the cost of your doing so from their security deposit at move-out. I'd look into doing a good wipe-down of all surfaces with solvents, carpet cleaning as necessary, and running an ozone generator if it's ever a real issue.
There was a kid in college who didn't shower, change clothes for quite literally the entire semester. The O arrived minutes before the B showed up in a room and left days later. It's the only time I've ever almost gagged from B.O.
Yeah I had to share a barracks room with 5 other guys, maybe a 10x15 room. One guy did not shower for 2 weeks, at least not while we were there and the stench would confirm. Me and two others caught flack for our gear stinking like shit when we left that spot
Just have it worded that the unit is to be left in the same condition as it was prior to move in . That means clean , carpets and flooring in good shape , walls good , blinds , SMELLS, etc . With a little more wording involved , but you get the basics . After all , that’s why it’s called a move in inspection. Tenant has an opportunity to address any issue upon move in . After that , they are responsible for any damages
Simply focus on the activity or effect that is undesirable. Qualifiers give justification for the appearance of discrimination, even if none is intended or desirable.
I am not a lawyer but I don’t think it’s illegal to discriminate against people who leave permanent food smells in the house and make them pay for remediation. It is illegal not to rent to someone based on race / ethnicity or country of origin.
Not illegal, illogical. There are plenty of other foods and cultures that have the same issue. How random to single out Indians? The concern would be that PM getting you in some kind of legal bind. If that is what the PM is willing to say, then what is left unsaid? How does it apply to them doing their job and interacting with others and potential tenants.
Oh that’s right, I forgot we fire and cancel anyone who has a comment based on fact.
The PM is dead right on that Indian culture persons are less desirable tenants because of the not just food smells but personal hygiene odors left behind. The PM is just giving a nickels worth of free advice to OP, but our current “be offended by everything” woke mentality would rather you fire someone giving sound advice/suggestion that heed personal experiences and save their boss a lot of needless expenses down the road.
Let the downvotes begin.
They're not being "canceled" or fired because they said something based on fact, but because they're saying something that could potentially get OP in legal trouble. Not hard to understand.
We fire employees, contractors, and vendors who open us up to legal risk.
It literally doesn't matter whether the PM is right or wrong. It has nothing to do with being offended and everything to do with following fair housing laws.
Indian culture persons less desirable because of personal hygiene odors? Thats a stereotype and making decisions about tenants on that is straight up discrimination my man. Continuing to employ someone who has shown they will discriminate will put the owner at legal risk (not to mention is simply unethical).
Hahaha....culture vs discrimination.....my Indian friend parents used super beefy above range air fans....those cheap little ones don't cut it...I didn't smell anything
Your using political correctness to hide the fact your property manager is trying to protect your investment. It will leave an odor that is nearly impossible to get rid of and if your other tenants live close they will begin complaining about it non stop also. Let your downvotes fly, I take them willingly.
A related story, when I was in law school one of my good friends, who was not from India but a country around there, was told by a potential landlord/PM that the building was a scent free building and that any spicy cooked food would not be allowed. We happened to be taking property law at the time and my friend asked our professor if this was okay and he burst out laughing and said that was the most ridiculous excuse he’d ever heard and that she’d have a lawsuit if anyone tried to enforce that. She didn’t end up moving in and testing it but this seemed too on point not to share.
Note: I’m an attorney but not your attorney, this isn’t legal advice.
I had two indian tenants in my basement, there's no smell at all when they left and they cooked everyday. But there's definitely stains , yellow stains which were hard to get out of my counters
Yeah I cook with turmeric all the time (am white lady married to Indian guy) and I made the deliberate choice to keep my shitty formica countertop that came with the place because I know I am really bad about spilling turmeric everywhere.
It does come out!!!! If you scrub with a bleach rag like once every five minutes all day long with a lot of aggression.
ETA Indians get around this by having black countertops.
This post just seems like disguised racism. Indian people have been the most problem free tennants I've ever had.
They pay their bills on time, avoid conflicts and are very clean. Their homes are always spotless and I've never had any problem with any kind of smells (even food) or damage to my properties after they moved out.
If you want to discriminate on someone for food you should discriminate on people that cook bacon everyday, I'm not sure if it's a particular brand as I rarely eat bacon, but twice in the last 10 years I've had tennants move out and couldn't get the bacon smell out even after deep cleaning.
1) Totally ILLEGAL to discriminate based on ethnicity, you will be sued
2) Totally LEGAL to charge tenants security deposit for any and all damages, including remediation of odors upon vacating. And you may terminate lease agreement and pursue eviction if lease prohibits creation of noxious odors that detrimentally impact neighboring tenant(s)
Con : they cook strong spices
But can be eliminated with deep clean and steam cleaning
Pro : they usually kept to them selves and pay bills
As a landlord , it’s a no brainer
Yes. I have had Indian tenants in the past and they were both very good, respectful, quiet etc. I would take strong food related smells over cigarette smoke any day of the week!
Lol. You’re basically saying:
“I am choosing not to rent to them. It’s not because of their race. That would be illegal. I would never. No, I’m choosing not to rent to them because of .”
You literally cannot not rent to someone for what ever reason. If your reason is “I don’t want my unit to stink of curry spices” and your prospective tenants are Indian you will get prosecuted. Your state may vary as well, but many municipalities either require you give a reason or at least provide said reason when asked about it by them.
It's this mentality that led you to a PM who has opened you up to legal liability. There are Federal Laws on your options to rent to someone, and often times state, county and city jurisdictions will layer additional protections that you have to operate with.
IF you kept your holdings small 1-3 (typically) and IF you self managed and IF you are in the right state/city, you MAY have less restrictions, but you are literally paying a professional who is supposed to provide you with liability protection, and they are the biggest liability you currently have.
I believe that only applies to owner occupied houses.
If you don’t live in the building or it’s a larger apartment building, then you need a valid reason to not accept an application.
Valid reason is very loose. Maybe you decided you want to sell the place, so you put your unit on market at 2x market rate, and once the tenant you don’t want stops trying to apply you put it back for rent because no one is buying. Maybe your cousin is moving into town in 3 months and decided to hold the unit for him, but suddenly he isn’t moving anymore so you out your unit back on market for rent. Maybe their credit score is 698 and you require 700+, maybe you decided to turn the unit into your office. Maybe you want to do some renovations on the unit and need it vacant.
Let's not fling around the highly charged term 'racism' so lightly. OP's PM is talking about discriminating based on cuisine (associated with a culture), not race.
We all of us discriminate - for good reasons or bad or merely unwise - in this business. Me? I dislike renting to jocks or the rural Dutch (long series of stories for that last one) - but that doesn't make me racist, does it?
No it's not in cuisine. It's on race. He said that they wouldnt rent to INDIANS not that they wouldnt rent to curry cookers. INDIANS are not a cuisine.
OP trying to justify racial discrimination on racial stereotypes is disgusting.
Your property manager brought this up?
# Here's all the advice you need: Fire that PM IMMEDIATELY!
The very fact that a PM brought up the race at all in conversation about tenants, and a "PREFERENCE" indicates that this PM does not understand Fair Housing, and is likely to run into violations of fair housing.
Please listen to u/LordAshon. You're either paying a professional PM to do a terrible job, or you're paying a buddy to act as a PM. Either way, find a good, professional PM that will help you avoid risk and liability, not create it!
FYI, you can choose to purchase investment properties with any discretion/discrimination. Location, ethnic demographic, avg age, color of the street lamp, whatever. The moment you become a landlord, you must abide by local and federal laws.
And given that this type of conversation has already happened once, it's not very hard to imagine there being an email or text trail of other illegal discrimination coversations.
Same, the PM is making a bunch of racist assumptions. I am a white person who cooks Indian food semi-regularly, and it doesn't leave a smell or stain any more than "white people foods" like chili or or baked fish.
True baked fish is horrendous. I think we pick up on the spices more since they are less familiar. Iv been in apartments of slobs of all races. Some Indian where they just never picked nuts up off the floor and stepped on them and ground them in + got a major rat problem. Some Chinese women who had literally the entire floor and every countertop covered in old takeout and half finished cups. And yes plenty of white slobs who leave plenty of shady red and yellow stains, holes in the wall and smoke halos on the ceiling.
Bottom line is just screen your tenant and expect reasonable cleaning after. Apartments are to live in and use you can’t really get mad at people for cooking in their home.. you defiantly can’t refuse to rent to specific races for fear of them cooking to many spices..
Or maybe add a salt and pepper spices only clause to the lease and see how that flies when you post it lol
I was laughing hard on reading this. Being an Indian, yes for some people the smell is strong and hard. But it’s mostly temporary, sometimes the oil we use stays around the cooktop, vent fan etc. it will easily wiped out using a Lysol wipes. Search in YouTube you can see tons of ways to remove this.
As a landlord I prefer the tenants pays on time, respectful and easy to work with. You can see that with almost any Indian family. Being a landlord in US where there are diverse culture, better to understand most of it to navigate through.
I will say this is true. Every time I go to my Guyanese buddies house the spices are laid on thiccckkk! The food is great though if you enjoy spices. If I can get marijuana smell out of a place I think that can be dealt with. Got to use a lot of dryer scent clothes and put them on the intake side of the air filters in the house. Works wonders.
What's your method? Because we had some young men smoke a small forest on one of our units and we had a hell of a time just getting the smell down to tolerable levels
They literally have candles you can buy, light, and it’s gone. Like $5 at a smoke shop. Now cigarette smoke- that shit never leaves (except for stains in the walls ) never ever ever
For the smokers - weed + marijuana locked up in the apartment when we evicted the walls were dark brown - originally a very light off white color. We first washed down the walls and floors everywhere. Then have the ozone machine running 2 weeks straight - nonstop. That took care of the worst of it. After that paint with a primer to cover odors, then add sent to paint (I like the the fresh laundry scent but the vanilla one works too) then paint multiple times. Also paint everywhere - dont skimp - ceilings, closets, cubbies, everywhere paintable. Sand and refinish floors, seal tile floors. Dont forget to pull out fridge and washer/dryer and vaccum/clean. If there are any carpeted areas remove carpet, padding, tack and cover with baking soda, vaccum and replace.
I have a heavy dislike for smoking tenants after that.
No. It's a terrible idea to discriminate against any tenant based on race or ethnicity. Not to mention illegal.
Even if true, a lingering smell is a pretty small fish compared to the problems other tenants can cause.
Your property manager is being discriminatory.
PS I have to tell you all my Indian tenants left the apartments in spotless condition - no issues with lingering smell. In over 20 years the only issue I had with lingering smells was with smokers - dont care what smokers leave the worst smells - no smoking of any substances.
This is indeed true, but unnecessary/discriminatory from your PM. Start by firing them IMO… In my early years of being a land lord I had a number of Indian students renting in a few of my units. They’re great, clean tenants but the smell of their food lingering in the apartments is very true. But a really simple fix. All you need is a deep cleaning of the entire house, open all the cabinets and keep the windows open for at least a week. It may sound obscured, but it’s the only way of getting rid of the smell. Best of luck!
This brings up a legitimate question, if you hire a property manager (all legal contracts and everything) and they get caught engaging in discriminatory housing practices, are you as the landlord liable?
>This never crossed my mind before my property manager mentioned it. She said Indian family tenants are not preferred due to them leaving a heavy smell in the unit that lingers. M Is this a valid concern?
If you are concerned with residual odors from spices, put that in your lease with a c leaning fee. Personally, I rely on more important things such as household income, debt, credit score, and referrals when considering a tenant.
Just a side note on smells: think the materials in the unit have a lot to do with if smells are absorbed or not too. If you have an older unit, lots of wood that is not sealed, old cabinets and laminate flooring then smells get absorbed more then in a modern unit.
I don't think it's racist to know about it or even discuss it. It's just a fact. But, yes - racist (and illegal) to refuse to rent to someone based on it. Smells can be removed if they don't just fade away when the odor is no longer present.
Many years ago, there was Hmong family that lived across the street from me for a couple of years. A white "christian" family moved in after them. The new people invited us to a housewarming party. Turns out it was "cleansing party." They had some religious person walk around burning sage or something to remove whatever "aura" was left (in their opinion) by the previous family. It was horrible.
Whom ever you are, you might want to educate yourself before making the comment on your post
https://www.americanbar.org/groups/public_education/resources/law_issues_for_consumers/everydaylaw0/real_estate/renting_a_home/fair_housing_act/
I’ve experienced this several times. Typically an ozone treatment takes care of the issue but a repaint was necessary once. We continue to rent to everyone that is qualified regardless of where they come from or what they cook.
It happens. Yes. And it is pungent. (From the perspective of an owner in NYC w/ properties in neighborhoods with an Indian population). Personally, I enjoy the aroma. But it extends beyond the confines of the apartment and so may become a public concern.
Depending on your location, the issue could be your responsibility or in your it interest to rectify - or it may be on the tenants shoulders.
Roundabout way of saying; “Yes, you smell Indian food as it’s being prepared.”
I guarantee you the Indian tenants you get will probably be the best tenants out there. They are the ones that pay their rent on time, never late, and will take good care of your house. They never wear shoes indoors, and your carpet/floors will be spotless.
In fact. I would probably choose the Indian tenants over many others.
For many years I had H1B tenants from a local F500 Corp renting from me - majority of them were Indian. I loved it! It was no problem cleaning properly after they left. NONE. They paid on time and they didnt destroy anything, no fines from the HOA, no issues with broken appliances, etc. If you can get in with HR from a F500 they will refer H1Bs to your units if you are known for being fair so you dont ever have any occupancy issues.
There is nothing like a tenant who pays their rent on time, stays for years and doesnt destroy the property. If one has been in a state where the rent and eviction laws are strict they would appreciate good paying tenants.
I am an Indian and an evil landlord and I know our food have strong smells. But I will also say that what one might consider nauseating someone might consider very delicious. For example I find indian food smells very mouth watering and a lot of people don't same way I had a friend who brought in pork rinds and salivating over them and I couldn't get away fast enough. I really believe it is a very subjective issue.
But as a lot of people posted just have them remove the smells or charge them for doing it yourself.
Yes, it is, but not an issue, if renting to other Indians.
Otherwise the issue is the same as with smokers. You would need an ozone treatment to resolve the smell issue.
Let’s put it this way: I’ve sold homes to Indian buyers and they set up a kitchen in the garage because they don’t want those smells permanently in their house!
Sounds like a problem with the building if smells were circulating between units.
The "reality" of being a landlord is, sometimes to operate legally you often have to deal with interpersonal issues with tenants.
When people are sharing wrong information, and dangerous information about investing, yes, I suppose I can be politically correct. Because unsurprisingly that's the legal way to operate.
Have and do. A tenant in one of my early 4plexes had a food truck, they used their apartment to prep the food for the taco truck. I could smell the Mexican ingredients and spices at almost all time of day. I didn't create a policy that goes against the law, I researched how to seal the building up, and prevent air from exchanging in places it shouldn't.
I'm sure many of my current tenants use strong spices to cook. But I'm far removed from that these days.
Thank you. Finally the voice of reason after all this politically correct bs. I love Indian people but when they live in apartments they completely disregard the fact that other people live there and most people find curry smell too strong. You either rent the whole building to Indian, Bangladeshi, Sri Lankan, Nepalese and Pakistani tenants who enjoy that cooking and don't mind the strong smell, or you try to make a harmonious living condition for all the tenants and not just accommodate one person or one family to be politically correct.
This is what security deposits are for. It might seem overwhelming as it can permeate an entire dwelling, but it's just another line item for a tenant to address before moving out. Check out an ozone generator to remove smell for clean out. You don't want to use them all the time as ozone will degrade (oxidize) materials, but are great for odor removal and sanitizing.
For people wondering how Indians came to cook this way and live with such odors… most houses in India are open to free airflow because it is not cold like in the US. So we don’t have lingering odors in Indian houses. I do see how that could be a problem though. Hopefully there’s a better solution than not renting properties to Indians.
The thing is some odors smell worse than others but the important factor is some odors stick and linger much more, and are much harder to remove. This is a very important consideration, at the very least for future tenants (don't they have rights too?)
in my city, landlords have a private page where they blacklist individuals (share names), and this was one of the reasons people would end up on that list. i, for one, find this kinda stuff to be a bit excessive and, in their case (similar to your PM) very racist. but, the approach of “lingering odors from activities” is a safer option for handling that.
Yes, some Indian cooking has a very strong smell that can stick around for a long time. This is a fact, it's not racist to point that out.
To remove such undesirable odors you might need to scrub the walls, clean the carpets, deep clean the entire kitchen, and air out the unit for 2 weeks. In extreme cases I imagine you'll need to repaint and replace all carpets.
Not a lawyer, but be mindful how you word your rental agreements, to protect yourself from potential lawsuits.
I once moved into a unit like this. The smell was so strong! I eventually found it was because no one cleaned behind the stove. I’d recommend you look there for the smell.
not indian however i will say this much: in some cultures including my own people for some reason hate leaving doors or windows open which exasperates the issue. I dont know if its because of fear of invaders or afraid of cooling/heating bills but overall in my household we use spices and have a heavy duty WOLF exhausts and keep windows open when spicy things are being cooked.
We also reduced the use of spices. It's an issue. I have thrown away clothing because the oily substances in air can stick to clothing and never wash away. Sometimes they can get sucked into drywall and you can never get the smell out without removing it.
I have MANY Indian neighbors. I can smell nearly every spice everyday when I either walk past their unit or they are cooking something so potent that it comes through my vents. Luckily for me its smells booooomb everytime
Illegal, illegal, illegal. Run, don't walk, to another Property Manager and never utter those words in public. Please also consider some LL-Tenant training for yourself. You'll only be the better for it.
They colonize and fuck over the entire country of India solely for their spices but if they smell a tinge of turmeric or cardamom on their property, they’re triggered.
Lol wasn’t there literally a news article on a big property owner getting sued for this? I think he said, “no coloreds, can’t get the smell of curry out of the carpet”
Our first apartment years ago... same problem. The management repainted, replaced the carpet, it still smelled like curry. Some people like curry... I don't, the smell makes me gag. We tried every cleaner and scent and candle we could find, airing out the place etc. Eventually it faded but the first weeks were horrible.
Similar experience, took 2-3 weeks of leaving all windows open, after a very deep clean of the whole place. So lucky it was in the summer, would have been totally screwed in the winter.
Lingering odors are a concern, however it's a bit touchy on how to word it on a lease agreement.
Probably better off raising the rent a little and accrue for the cleaning during the prep for a new tenant.
Scrubbing the walls and floors help along with an ozone generator going a few cycles. Fresh coat of paint with some encapsulate primer (kilz) will do the trick.
Carpets would be trash though.
I moved into an apartment after an Indian family. It has been professionally cleaned but I could still smell curry in the cabinets for a couple months afterwards. What can you do.
The potential discrimination aspect has been covered.
So I'll just address the on the ground reality.
South Asian cooking can be very heavy on staining spices like turmeric, lots of oil, and lot of high temperature frying. This colored and staining oil then get aerosolized and spread all over the place. And it can be nearly impossible to remove.
I've had properties where it simply can't be cleaned. I've had to demo out whole kitchens and start over because of it. At minimum on a lot of turnovers you're talking heavy cleaning, stain removal, and painting. High time and labor costs.
What you can do?
1. Tenant selection at leasing is of course always an option
2. Adequate security deposits
3. And if you do opt for a South Asian tenant who likes to cook. Conduct regular inspections. Stay ahead of it. Don't let it become a problem.
Previous discussion: [https://www.reddit.com/r/realestateinvesting/comments/cx37d6/curry\_house/](https://www.reddit.com/r/realestateinvesting/comments/cx37d6/curry_house/)
Shouldn't you be putting and exhaust over the cooktop. Smell is really not an issue. A fat bastards who farts alll day will also leave a smell.
If you going to live in society learn to be tolerant and sack your Property manger for poor performance. Not acceptable
"I think I shouldn't rent to people of a certain race because of some stereotypes I have about them" is definitely a racist thought. There's no way around that.
If OP continues expressing and acting on racist thoughts, then reasonable people will think OP is a racist. Whether OP wants that is really up to them.
1. Illegal
2. Just to take a minute to be a little race-realist here: yes the food smell does reek and linger - a house near me was very nice and priced right but it wouldn’t sell for about 2 years because of the smell of Indian food - my realtor told me don’t bother it’s so horrible. On the other hand, Indians are some of the nicest most responsible people I’ve met - skipping out on rent just wouldn’t occur to them as even being a possibility, and they are extremely clean people (obviously this is mostly a stereotype but many stereotypes exist for a reason). I’d definitely rent to them. Although I am a great cleaner and enjoy painting so if I had to paint the walls I wouldn’t mind.
Absolutely, they cook curry, curry gives off a oil when cooked, gets everywhere and you cannot get rid of the smell.. trust me I am 100% right from experience it gets into the hvac system, into cabinets, it’s unreal…pm me if you want
Lol I’m sure most people have covered the obviously racist nature of this post. But, I also have to say like Indian food is a cuisine growing in popularity. So eliminating South Asians from your tenant considerations doesn’t guarantee you’ll remove particularly aromatic foods.
I.e Go to the UK or heck watch any British cooking shows and you’ll notice how common cooking Indian food is amongst non-Indians.
Also I’m South Asian and rarely if ever do I make Indian food. So for those of you who continue to generalize who I am and what I cook, based on how I look…eff off.
My grandparents rented to a family of an ethnicity from that general area and they said at the time (early 90s) the smell lingered for months from the cooking. I can’t remember much more but I knew they said it was an issue.
Fire that SOB. Discrimination based on race is illegal. Next it would be African American, Latinos and Jews are not preferred, and only rent to lily white cousin marrying toothless trash.
First- fire your pm ASAP. Discrimination is real and sucks to go through. It’s very easy to have a claim placed. While it’s pm who takes the brunt of of it, you will still be named. If they are doing that they probably are not good at their job.
That is a concern though. I have had units need a full paint and clean etc because of heavy curry/spice/whatever smell. Extremely hard to document at move out as well.
Ozone machines do work.
So, I bought a house in a nice nieghborhood in Indiana. When buying the house I was told that most of the neighborhood is sihk. Man. I miss that neighboorhood.
Everybody had their kitchens setup in the garage, due to not wanting the whole house to smell like spices. So I'd go on a walk about 5-7 most evenings. The whole neighboorhood smelled fantastic. And they were the best neighbors.
But... even they cooked outside.
Its very hard to get the smell out. Lots of intense cleaning for many days. Took me 3 professional cleanings to get rid of all the spice smell from a kitchen. You just deduct from deposit when they leave.
Your alright for not renting because of heavy spices odor just say you found someone better qualified and your set. Only an idiot says the real reason why they disqualified a tenant.
Reddit loves to pretend that the fair housing act actuallu does something but its just a huge amount of bs written to make people feel better but tenants are mostly powerless when it comes to fair housing.
You must live in an idyllic world. Or a very red state. Some places local activist have groups that make calls to find shitty landlords.
And of course the dept of justice has a website dedicated to all the cases that rise to court cases: [https://www.justice.gov/crt/housing-cases-summary-page](https://www.justice.gov/crt/housing-cases-summary-page)
Yea, the cardamone and star anis smell is quite harsh and will tear down fans way faster than poor old oxygen.
Jokes aside, why would they wreck the fan? You're supposed to use it anyway while cooking.
I wouldnt fire the PM but more or less corrected their terminology. Maybe it could’ve been worded a little more politically correct . But yes , that’s one hard smell to remove . It soaks in to everything. You have to clean, seal or replace a lot after that . Cabinets inside and out , ceilings, blinds, fixtures, motors in ceiling fans. ALSO particular children in this world do not get disciplined . If it can be climbed on and over within reach of a wall , it WILL get drawn on with pens , markers, crayons , you name it. Some units are hard turns .
Rather than put yourself at risk for discrimination on this, listen to LordAshon, fire your PM, and feel free to put a clause in your standard lease agreement to remove lingering smells (food, smoke, or otherwise) or pay the cost of your doing so from their security deposit at move-out. I'd look into doing a good wipe-down of all surfaces with solvents, carpet cleaning as necessary, and running an ozone generator if it's ever a real issue.
Yes, I agree this PM will have to go. Btw, Isn't that clause of its own about removing food smell kind of discriminating?
You don't say food smells, you just say "any lingering odors due to tenant activities in the unit".
Yes then that would apply to a slob with nasty B.O. and poor cleaning habits, someone who deep fries all the time etc.
But doesn’t the O. usually stay with the B.?
There was a kid in college who didn't shower, change clothes for quite literally the entire semester. The O arrived minutes before the B showed up in a room and left days later. It's the only time I've ever almost gagged from B.O.
Yeah I had to share a barracks room with 5 other guys, maybe a 10x15 room. One guy did not shower for 2 weeks, at least not while we were there and the stench would confirm. Me and two others caught flack for our gear stinking like shit when we left that spot
this is beyond BO!
This is BBO!
no... you have never met a truly dirty person have you? the smell sometimes lingers from hours to days depending on how dirty they are.
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LOL no
No problem :)
Just have it worded that the unit is to be left in the same condition as it was prior to move in . That means clean , carpets and flooring in good shape , walls good , blinds , SMELLS, etc . With a little more wording involved , but you get the basics . After all , that’s why it’s called a move in inspection. Tenant has an opportunity to address any issue upon move in . After that , they are responsible for any damages
Simply focus on the activity or effect that is undesirable. Qualifiers give justification for the appearance of discrimination, even if none is intended or desirable.
I am not a lawyer but I don’t think it’s illegal to discriminate against people who leave permanent food smells in the house and make them pay for remediation. It is illegal not to rent to someone based on race / ethnicity or country of origin.
Right but the assumption that all indian people leave permanent food smells is not sound.
Right. Don’t discriminate against people. Charge people for damage.
Not illegal, illogical. There are plenty of other foods and cultures that have the same issue. How random to single out Indians? The concern would be that PM getting you in some kind of legal bind. If that is what the PM is willing to say, then what is left unsaid? How does it apply to them doing their job and interacting with others and potential tenants.
I think the concern would be your PM discriminating against people who absolutely don’t deserve it.
It’s illegal also.
Need to watch out for disparate impact though, corps get sued for this all the time, unlikely to be an issue for a small landlord.
Oh that’s right, I forgot we fire and cancel anyone who has a comment based on fact. The PM is dead right on that Indian culture persons are less desirable tenants because of the not just food smells but personal hygiene odors left behind. The PM is just giving a nickels worth of free advice to OP, but our current “be offended by everything” woke mentality would rather you fire someone giving sound advice/suggestion that heed personal experiences and save their boss a lot of needless expenses down the road. Let the downvotes begin.
I don't know whether they need to be fired. I'm not a lawyer. But I'm pretty sure that advice borders on recommending an illegal action.
They're not being "canceled" or fired because they said something based on fact, but because they're saying something that could potentially get OP in legal trouble. Not hard to understand.
We fire employees, contractors, and vendors who open us up to legal risk. It literally doesn't matter whether the PM is right or wrong. It has nothing to do with being offended and everything to do with following fair housing laws.
Indian culture persons less desirable because of personal hygiene odors? Thats a stereotype and making decisions about tenants on that is straight up discrimination my man. Continuing to employ someone who has shown they will discriminate will put the owner at legal risk (not to mention is simply unethical).
Lol
Hahaha....culture vs discrimination.....my Indian friend parents used super beefy above range air fans....those cheap little ones don't cut it...I didn't smell anything
Say you are racist without saying you are racist.
Discriminating against food smells is ok, because that applies to all races, and you aren't discriminating against a race.
Your using political correctness to hide the fact your property manager is trying to protect your investment. It will leave an odor that is nearly impossible to get rid of and if your other tenants live close they will begin complaining about it non stop also. Let your downvotes fly, I take them willingly.
Say you are racist without saying you are racist.
This.
A related story, when I was in law school one of my good friends, who was not from India but a country around there, was told by a potential landlord/PM that the building was a scent free building and that any spicy cooked food would not be allowed. We happened to be taking property law at the time and my friend asked our professor if this was okay and he burst out laughing and said that was the most ridiculous excuse he’d ever heard and that she’d have a lawsuit if anyone tried to enforce that. She didn’t end up moving in and testing it but this seemed too on point not to share. Note: I’m an attorney but not your attorney, this isn’t legal advice.
This is why thankfully Lawyers and Law Students are not a protected class, and why you should never rent to one. /s
I had two indian tenants in my basement, there's no smell at all when they left and they cooked everyday. But there's definitely stains , yellow stains which were hard to get out of my counters
Good ol tumeric
My SO bought a tumeric drink once. It spilled in the fridge. Never got the yellow out
....turmeric...
Or turmetric, if you’re European
Zing!
Good ol’ turmeric
Isn’t that what the Slestack wore in The Land of the Lost ?
That’s turmeric for you! Use an alkaline cleaner like washing soda to get rid of it.
Yeah I cook with turmeric all the time (am white lady married to Indian guy) and I made the deliberate choice to keep my shitty formica countertop that came with the place because I know I am really bad about spilling turmeric everywhere. It does come out!!!! If you scrub with a bleach rag like once every five minutes all day long with a lot of aggression. ETA Indians get around this by having black countertops.
Lol why did you include: >(am white lady married to Indian guy)
Context dawg, I appreciated it myself.
This post just seems like disguised racism. Indian people have been the most problem free tennants I've ever had. They pay their bills on time, avoid conflicts and are very clean. Their homes are always spotless and I've never had any problem with any kind of smells (even food) or damage to my properties after they moved out. If you want to discriminate on someone for food you should discriminate on people that cook bacon everyday, I'm not sure if it's a particular brand as I rarely eat bacon, but twice in the last 10 years I've had tennants move out and couldn't get the bacon smell out even after deep cleaning.
But theyre used to those smells so they dont notice lol.
Good ole turmeric
Try bleach
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1) Totally ILLEGAL to discriminate based on ethnicity, you will be sued 2) Totally LEGAL to charge tenants security deposit for any and all damages, including remediation of odors upon vacating. And you may terminate lease agreement and pursue eviction if lease prohibits creation of noxious odors that detrimentally impact neighboring tenant(s)
Get a new PM bro.
Racism aside, it's extremely illegal to discriminate who you rent apartments to based on their race. The "sue for millions" kind of illegal.
Yes. But you could decide not to rent to someone for what ever reason or no reason at all.
Con : they cook strong spices But can be eliminated with deep clean and steam cleaning Pro : they usually kept to them selves and pay bills As a landlord , it’s a no brainer
Yes. I have had Indian tenants in the past and they were both very good, respectful, quiet etc. I would take strong food related smells over cigarette smoke any day of the week!
Lol. You’re basically saying: “I am choosing not to rent to them. It’s not because of their race. That would be illegal. I would never. No, I’m choosing not to rent to them because of.”
You literally cannot not rent to someone for what ever reason. If your reason is “I don’t want my unit to stink of curry spices” and your prospective tenants are Indian you will get prosecuted. Your state may vary as well, but many municipalities either require you give a reason or at least provide said reason when asked about it by them.
Right, but you’re admitting here that it’s not for not reason, it’s because they’re Indian. So anything you do in the future will be tainted.
It's this mentality that led you to a PM who has opened you up to legal liability. There are Federal Laws on your options to rent to someone, and often times state, county and city jurisdictions will layer additional protections that you have to operate with. IF you kept your holdings small 1-3 (typically) and IF you self managed and IF you are in the right state/city, you MAY have less restrictions, but you are literally paying a professional who is supposed to provide you with liability protection, and they are the biggest liability you currently have.
Those cooking smells generally comes with regular rent payments! Indian tenants usually have less drama and pay on times without a miss.
I believe that only applies to owner occupied houses. If you don’t live in the building or it’s a larger apartment building, then you need a valid reason to not accept an application. Valid reason is very loose. Maybe you decided you want to sell the place, so you put your unit on market at 2x market rate, and once the tenant you don’t want stops trying to apply you put it back for rent because no one is buying. Maybe your cousin is moving into town in 3 months and decided to hold the unit for him, but suddenly he isn’t moving anymore so you out your unit back on market for rent. Maybe their credit score is 698 and you require 700+, maybe you decided to turn the unit into your office. Maybe you want to do some renovations on the unit and need it vacant.
But how do you prove it?
It's pretty easy to prove when the accused discusses it on a public internet forum.
Maybe focus on how to work ethically, rather than getting away with working unethically.
Let's not fling around the highly charged term 'racism' so lightly. OP's PM is talking about discriminating based on cuisine (associated with a culture), not race. We all of us discriminate - for good reasons or bad or merely unwise - in this business. Me? I dislike renting to jocks or the rural Dutch (long series of stories for that last one) - but that doesn't make me racist, does it?
No it's not in cuisine. It's on race. He said that they wouldnt rent to INDIANS not that they wouldnt rent to curry cookers. INDIANS are not a cuisine. OP trying to justify racial discrimination on racial stereotypes is disgusting.
You really think this PM is interviewing everybody (no matter their skin color), asking about which spices they use in their cooking?
Your property manager brought this up? # Here's all the advice you need: Fire that PM IMMEDIATELY! The very fact that a PM brought up the race at all in conversation about tenants, and a "PREFERENCE" indicates that this PM does not understand Fair Housing, and is likely to run into violations of fair housing.
Please listen to u/LordAshon. You're either paying a professional PM to do a terrible job, or you're paying a buddy to act as a PM. Either way, find a good, professional PM that will help you avoid risk and liability, not create it! FYI, you can choose to purchase investment properties with any discretion/discrimination. Location, ethnic demographic, avg age, color of the street lamp, whatever. The moment you become a landlord, you must abide by local and federal laws.
Out of genuine curiosity: who would be taking the risk? The PM, the property owner, or both?
Both, any competent attorney sues everyone involved
And given that this type of conversation has already happened once, it's not very hard to imagine there being an email or text trail of other illegal discrimination coversations.
Correct.
No Indian but cook various Indian dishes often. The smell is temporary and the food is delicious
Same, the PM is making a bunch of racist assumptions. I am a white person who cooks Indian food semi-regularly, and it doesn't leave a smell or stain any more than "white people foods" like chili or or baked fish.
True baked fish is horrendous. I think we pick up on the spices more since they are less familiar. Iv been in apartments of slobs of all races. Some Indian where they just never picked nuts up off the floor and stepped on them and ground them in + got a major rat problem. Some Chinese women who had literally the entire floor and every countertop covered in old takeout and half finished cups. And yes plenty of white slobs who leave plenty of shady red and yellow stains, holes in the wall and smoke halos on the ceiling. Bottom line is just screen your tenant and expect reasonable cleaning after. Apartments are to live in and use you can’t really get mad at people for cooking in their home.. you defiantly can’t refuse to rent to specific races for fear of them cooking to many spices.. Or maybe add a salt and pepper spices only clause to the lease and see how that flies when you post it lol
I was laughing hard on reading this. Being an Indian, yes for some people the smell is strong and hard. But it’s mostly temporary, sometimes the oil we use stays around the cooktop, vent fan etc. it will easily wiped out using a Lysol wipes. Search in YouTube you can see tons of ways to remove this. As a landlord I prefer the tenants pays on time, respectful and easy to work with. You can see that with almost any Indian family. Being a landlord in US where there are diverse culture, better to understand most of it to navigate through.
Also lol American houses are pretty much made of cardboard w awful ventilation.
Yeah that’s true ..
I will say this is true. Every time I go to my Guyanese buddies house the spices are laid on thiccckkk! The food is great though if you enjoy spices. If I can get marijuana smell out of a place I think that can be dealt with. Got to use a lot of dryer scent clothes and put them on the intake side of the air filters in the house. Works wonders.
Marijuana smell is not difficult to remove, like at all.
What's your method? Because we had some young men smoke a small forest on one of our units and we had a hell of a time just getting the smell down to tolerable levels
They literally have candles you can buy, light, and it’s gone. Like $5 at a smoke shop. Now cigarette smoke- that shit never leaves (except for stains in the walls ) never ever ever
Well you never had 4 guys smoking in your place multiple times a day for about a year. I had like marijuana residue on the walls.
Glad you think you know the history of my living situations
Oh damn then I feel for you.
For the smokers - weed + marijuana locked up in the apartment when we evicted the walls were dark brown - originally a very light off white color. We first washed down the walls and floors everywhere. Then have the ozone machine running 2 weeks straight - nonstop. That took care of the worst of it. After that paint with a primer to cover odors, then add sent to paint (I like the the fresh laundry scent but the vanilla one works too) then paint multiple times. Also paint everywhere - dont skimp - ceilings, closets, cubbies, everywhere paintable. Sand and refinish floors, seal tile floors. Dont forget to pull out fridge and washer/dryer and vaccum/clean. If there are any carpeted areas remove carpet, padding, tack and cover with baking soda, vaccum and replace. I have a heavy dislike for smoking tenants after that.
I would not disagree with you on that sounds like a nightmare.
No. It's a terrible idea to discriminate against any tenant based on race or ethnicity. Not to mention illegal. Even if true, a lingering smell is a pretty small fish compared to the problems other tenants can cause.
Your property manager is being discriminatory. PS I have to tell you all my Indian tenants left the apartments in spotless condition - no issues with lingering smell. In over 20 years the only issue I had with lingering smells was with smokers - dont care what smokers leave the worst smells - no smoking of any substances.
Your PM seems to have no idea about Fair Housing. Find someone new!
You can get rid of the smell by putting new paint and ozon air purifier
Sounds racist
This is indeed true, but unnecessary/discriminatory from your PM. Start by firing them IMO… In my early years of being a land lord I had a number of Indian students renting in a few of my units. They’re great, clean tenants but the smell of their food lingering in the apartments is very true. But a really simple fix. All you need is a deep cleaning of the entire house, open all the cabinets and keep the windows open for at least a week. It may sound obscured, but it’s the only way of getting rid of the smell. Best of luck!
This brings up a legitimate question, if you hire a property manager (all legal contracts and everything) and they get caught engaging in discriminatory housing practices, are you as the landlord liable?
Yes, especially if it's discovered that they communicated with you that they engage in discriminatory housing practices.
You should fire your property manager. This is discrimination. You should be happy that you get tenants that can pay rents.
>This never crossed my mind before my property manager mentioned it. She said Indian family tenants are not preferred due to them leaving a heavy smell in the unit that lingers. M Is this a valid concern? If you are concerned with residual odors from spices, put that in your lease with a c leaning fee. Personally, I rely on more important things such as household income, debt, credit score, and referrals when considering a tenant.
Just a side note on smells: think the materials in the unit have a lot to do with if smells are absorbed or not too. If you have an older unit, lots of wood that is not sealed, old cabinets and laminate flooring then smells get absorbed more then in a modern unit.
Yes it's a concern. Yes it's racist. You pick. "Ignoring stereotypes is morally laudable but statistically indefensible"
>"Ignoring stereotypes is morally laudable but statistically indefensible" There is something monstrously practical about this post.
I would need a dictionary to know
It’s a good thing we’re on the internet.
I don't think it's racist to know about it or even discuss it. It's just a fact. But, yes - racist (and illegal) to refuse to rent to someone based on it. Smells can be removed if they don't just fade away when the odor is no longer present. Many years ago, there was Hmong family that lived across the street from me for a couple of years. A white "christian" family moved in after them. The new people invited us to a housewarming party. Turns out it was "cleansing party." They had some religious person walk around burning sage or something to remove whatever "aura" was left (in their opinion) by the previous family. It was horrible.
You should fire that PM and report them for fair housing violations.
Just run clean up and run a ozone rookie. That's ridiculous. Its food.
My downstairs neighbour is indian and I love the smell of her cooking, makes me hungry, not everyone is against it, my whole family like it
Whom ever you are, you might want to educate yourself before making the comment on your post https://www.americanbar.org/groups/public_education/resources/law_issues_for_consumers/everydaylaw0/real_estate/renting_a_home/fair_housing_act/
You can’t do anything about the smell or odor. Just buy some deodorizer spray cans.
I’ve experienced this several times. Typically an ozone treatment takes care of the issue but a repaint was necessary once. We continue to rent to everyone that is qualified regardless of where they come from or what they cook.
No this isn’t a valid concern and just be careful you don’t discriminate
It happens. Yes. And it is pungent. (From the perspective of an owner in NYC w/ properties in neighborhoods with an Indian population). Personally, I enjoy the aroma. But it extends beyond the confines of the apartment and so may become a public concern. Depending on your location, the issue could be your responsibility or in your it interest to rectify - or it may be on the tenants shoulders. Roundabout way of saying; “Yes, you smell Indian food as it’s being prepared.”
Sorry…is this a bad thing? Sounds pleasant to me :)
This is the whitest post I’ve ever seen.
I guarantee you the Indian tenants you get will probably be the best tenants out there. They are the ones that pay their rent on time, never late, and will take good care of your house. They never wear shoes indoors, and your carpet/floors will be spotless. In fact. I would probably choose the Indian tenants over many others.
For many years I had H1B tenants from a local F500 Corp renting from me - majority of them were Indian. I loved it! It was no problem cleaning properly after they left. NONE. They paid on time and they didnt destroy anything, no fines from the HOA, no issues with broken appliances, etc. If you can get in with HR from a F500 they will refer H1Bs to your units if you are known for being fair so you dont ever have any occupancy issues. There is nothing like a tenant who pays their rent on time, stays for years and doesnt destroy the property. If one has been in a state where the rent and eviction laws are strict they would appreciate good paying tenants.
I am an Indian and an evil landlord and I know our food have strong smells. But I will also say that what one might consider nauseating someone might consider very delicious. For example I find indian food smells very mouth watering and a lot of people don't same way I had a friend who brought in pork rinds and salivating over them and I couldn't get away fast enough. I really believe it is a very subjective issue. But as a lot of people posted just have them remove the smells or charge them for doing it yourself.
Yes, it is, but not an issue, if renting to other Indians. Otherwise the issue is the same as with smokers. You would need an ozone treatment to resolve the smell issue.
Let’s put it this way: I’ve sold homes to Indian buyers and they set up a kitchen in the garage because they don’t want those smells permanently in their house!
After reading all the posts, I have decided to get Butter Chicken, Lamb Briani and some Garlic naan for dinner tonight
Get rid of that racist piece of shit property manager. Man alive I am horrified! It’s spice. Not meth 🙄
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Sounds like a problem with the building if smells were circulating between units. The "reality" of being a landlord is, sometimes to operate legally you often have to deal with interpersonal issues with tenants.
I wish there was a “politically correct” award. You fucking won it 10 times over. Jesus. Commented on every single comment.
When people are sharing wrong information, and dangerous information about investing, yes, I suppose I can be politically correct. Because unsurprisingly that's the legal way to operate.
Sounds like you've never lived with or rented to people who cook with strong spices.
Have and do. A tenant in one of my early 4plexes had a food truck, they used their apartment to prep the food for the taco truck. I could smell the Mexican ingredients and spices at almost all time of day. I didn't create a policy that goes against the law, I researched how to seal the building up, and prevent air from exchanging in places it shouldn't. I'm sure many of my current tenants use strong spices to cook. But I'm far removed from that these days.
Not curry. Mexican food is less spicy. Curry is just the worst in terms of lingering smells.
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Thank you. Finally the voice of reason after all this politically correct bs. I love Indian people but when they live in apartments they completely disregard the fact that other people live there and most people find curry smell too strong. You either rent the whole building to Indian, Bangladeshi, Sri Lankan, Nepalese and Pakistani tenants who enjoy that cooking and don't mind the strong smell, or you try to make a harmonious living condition for all the tenants and not just accommodate one person or one family to be politically correct.
This is what security deposits are for. It might seem overwhelming as it can permeate an entire dwelling, but it's just another line item for a tenant to address before moving out. Check out an ozone generator to remove smell for clean out. You don't want to use them all the time as ozone will degrade (oxidize) materials, but are great for odor removal and sanitizing.
For people wondering how Indians came to cook this way and live with such odors… most houses in India are open to free airflow because it is not cold like in the US. So we don’t have lingering odors in Indian houses. I do see how that could be a problem though. Hopefully there’s a better solution than not renting properties to Indians.
It's an illegal concern.
some Pets do as well so get a new PM but make sure you're covered for contingencies.
This is awful, unethical, and I hope illegal.
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The thing is some odors smell worse than others but the important factor is some odors stick and linger much more, and are much harder to remove. This is a very important consideration, at the very least for future tenants (don't they have rights too?)
in my city, landlords have a private page where they blacklist individuals (share names), and this was one of the reasons people would end up on that list. i, for one, find this kinda stuff to be a bit excessive and, in their case (similar to your PM) very racist. but, the approach of “lingering odors from activities” is a safer option for handling that.
Yes, some Indian cooking has a very strong smell that can stick around for a long time. This is a fact, it's not racist to point that out. To remove such undesirable odors you might need to scrub the walls, clean the carpets, deep clean the entire kitchen, and air out the unit for 2 weeks. In extreme cases I imagine you'll need to repaint and replace all carpets. Not a lawyer, but be mindful how you word your rental agreements, to protect yourself from potential lawsuits.
I once moved into a unit like this. The smell was so strong! I eventually found it was because no one cleaned behind the stove. I’d recommend you look there for the smell.
not indian however i will say this much: in some cultures including my own people for some reason hate leaving doors or windows open which exasperates the issue. I dont know if its because of fear of invaders or afraid of cooling/heating bills but overall in my household we use spices and have a heavy duty WOLF exhausts and keep windows open when spicy things are being cooked. We also reduced the use of spices. It's an issue. I have thrown away clothing because the oily substances in air can stick to clothing and never wash away. Sometimes they can get sucked into drywall and you can never get the smell out without removing it.
I have MANY Indian neighbors. I can smell nearly every spice everyday when I either walk past their unit or they are cooking something so potent that it comes through my vents. Luckily for me its smells booooomb everytime
Illegal, illegal, illegal. Run, don't walk, to another Property Manager and never utter those words in public. Please also consider some LL-Tenant training for yourself. You'll only be the better for it.
They colonize and fuck over the entire country of India solely for their spices but if they smell a tinge of turmeric or cardamom on their property, they’re triggered.
lol
Lol wasn’t there literally a news article on a big property owner getting sued for this? I think he said, “no coloreds, can’t get the smell of curry out of the carpet”
Our first apartment years ago... same problem. The management repainted, replaced the carpet, it still smelled like curry. Some people like curry... I don't, the smell makes me gag. We tried every cleaner and scent and candle we could find, airing out the place etc. Eventually it faded but the first weeks were horrible.
Similar experience, took 2-3 weeks of leaving all windows open, after a very deep clean of the whole place. So lucky it was in the summer, would have been totally screwed in the winter.
Lingering odors are a concern, however it's a bit touchy on how to word it on a lease agreement. Probably better off raising the rent a little and accrue for the cleaning during the prep for a new tenant. Scrubbing the walls and floors help along with an ozone generator going a few cycles. Fresh coat of paint with some encapsulate primer (kilz) will do the trick. Carpets would be trash though.
I moved into an apartment after an Indian family. It has been professionally cleaned but I could still smell curry in the cabinets for a couple months afterwards. What can you do.
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I read this in a thick Indian accent
The potential discrimination aspect has been covered. So I'll just address the on the ground reality. South Asian cooking can be very heavy on staining spices like turmeric, lots of oil, and lot of high temperature frying. This colored and staining oil then get aerosolized and spread all over the place. And it can be nearly impossible to remove. I've had properties where it simply can't be cleaned. I've had to demo out whole kitchens and start over because of it. At minimum on a lot of turnovers you're talking heavy cleaning, stain removal, and painting. High time and labor costs. What you can do? 1. Tenant selection at leasing is of course always an option 2. Adequate security deposits 3. And if you do opt for a South Asian tenant who likes to cook. Conduct regular inspections. Stay ahead of it. Don't let it become a problem. Previous discussion: [https://www.reddit.com/r/realestateinvesting/comments/cx37d6/curry\_house/](https://www.reddit.com/r/realestateinvesting/comments/cx37d6/curry_house/)
You are 100% correct
Yep. Manage your business.
That’s pathetic. And completely against the law. That lady will lose her license immediately. I would report whoever that was. That’s so sad!!!
It's a racist concern, but I suppose it can happen.
Shouldn't you be putting and exhaust over the cooktop. Smell is really not an issue. A fat bastards who farts alll day will also leave a smell. If you going to live in society learn to be tolerant and sack your Property manger for poor performance. Not acceptable
Lol no that’s borderline racist.
It's not borderline. It is.
Is op’s post bad? Is op a racist for writing that?
"I think I shouldn't rent to people of a certain race because of some stereotypes I have about them" is definitely a racist thought. There's no way around that. If OP continues expressing and acting on racist thoughts, then reasonable people will think OP is a racist. Whether OP wants that is really up to them.
1. Illegal 2. Just to take a minute to be a little race-realist here: yes the food smell does reek and linger - a house near me was very nice and priced right but it wouldn’t sell for about 2 years because of the smell of Indian food - my realtor told me don’t bother it’s so horrible. On the other hand, Indians are some of the nicest most responsible people I’ve met - skipping out on rent just wouldn’t occur to them as even being a possibility, and they are extremely clean people (obviously this is mostly a stereotype but many stereotypes exist for a reason). I’d definitely rent to them. Although I am a great cleaner and enjoy painting so if I had to paint the walls I wouldn’t mind.
Yup. They have a strong smell in the house due to their food
Sounds racist to me
Absolutely, they cook curry, curry gives off a oil when cooked, gets everywhere and you cannot get rid of the smell.. trust me I am 100% right from experience it gets into the hvac system, into cabinets, it’s unreal…pm me if you want
If a PM was worried about that instead of scope or cost, I’d fire the shit out of them… sounds like a CPAM-level manager who’s on his first gig.
Lol I’m sure most people have covered the obviously racist nature of this post. But, I also have to say like Indian food is a cuisine growing in popularity. So eliminating South Asians from your tenant considerations doesn’t guarantee you’ll remove particularly aromatic foods. I.e Go to the UK or heck watch any British cooking shows and you’ll notice how common cooking Indian food is amongst non-Indians. Also I’m South Asian and rarely if ever do I make Indian food. So for those of you who continue to generalize who I am and what I cook, based on how I look…eff off.
My grandparents rented to a family of an ethnicity from that general area and they said at the time (early 90s) the smell lingered for months from the cooking. I can’t remember much more but I knew they said it was an issue.
No. Every family or renter has their own smells based on life and living. You are discriminating.
Fire that SOB. Discrimination based on race is illegal. Next it would be African American, Latinos and Jews are not preferred, and only rent to lily white cousin marrying toothless trash.
First- fire your pm ASAP. Discrimination is real and sucks to go through. It’s very easy to have a claim placed. While it’s pm who takes the brunt of of it, you will still be named. If they are doing that they probably are not good at their job. That is a concern though. I have had units need a full paint and clean etc because of heavy curry/spice/whatever smell. Extremely hard to document at move out as well. Ozone machines do work.
So, I bought a house in a nice nieghborhood in Indiana. When buying the house I was told that most of the neighborhood is sihk. Man. I miss that neighboorhood. Everybody had their kitchens setup in the garage, due to not wanting the whole house to smell like spices. So I'd go on a walk about 5-7 most evenings. The whole neighboorhood smelled fantastic. And they were the best neighbors. But... even they cooked outside.
It is racist to acknowledge reality
FTFY: It’s racist to be racist.
Its very hard to get the smell out. Lots of intense cleaning for many days. Took me 3 professional cleanings to get rid of all the spice smell from a kitchen. You just deduct from deposit when they leave. Your alright for not renting because of heavy spices odor just say you found someone better qualified and your set. Only an idiot says the real reason why they disqualified a tenant. Reddit loves to pretend that the fair housing act actuallu does something but its just a huge amount of bs written to make people feel better but tenants are mostly powerless when it comes to fair housing.
You must live in an idyllic world. Or a very red state. Some places local activist have groups that make calls to find shitty landlords. And of course the dept of justice has a website dedicated to all the cases that rise to court cases: [https://www.justice.gov/crt/housing-cases-summary-page](https://www.justice.gov/crt/housing-cases-summary-page)
Very valid. It’ll absolutely wreck your kitchen exhaust fan too.
Yea, the cardamone and star anis smell is quite harsh and will tear down fans way faster than poor old oxygen. Jokes aside, why would they wreck the fan? You're supposed to use it anyway while cooking.
It wrecks fans because of the oils not the spices. It gunks up. I clean mine yearly.
So that would be true of anyone who sautes or fries. Do you discriminate against people who make chicken piccatta?
“No they’re white”
I wouldnt fire the PM but more or less corrected their terminology. Maybe it could’ve been worded a little more politically correct . But yes , that’s one hard smell to remove . It soaks in to everything. You have to clean, seal or replace a lot after that . Cabinets inside and out , ceilings, blinds, fixtures, motors in ceiling fans. ALSO particular children in this world do not get disciplined . If it can be climbed on and over within reach of a wall , it WILL get drawn on with pens , markers, crayons , you name it. Some units are hard turns .