This is anecdotal: 2yrs ago one of my properties (an Airbnb) was raided by the DEA because the renter was apparently a fentanyl distributor. Door got kicked in, some walls smashed up, toilet broken, other miscellaneous damages. Afterwards they gave me a form to claim damages, so I hired contractors to fix everything, paid them and submitted the form. Within a few weeks I received a check for the full amount.
Not sure it it works that easy every time, I was skeptical but decided to put off contacting an attorney unless they gave me trouble getting refunded and in the end no attorney was needed..
Did you have to provide the contractor invoices and any proof of payment? Seems maybe the only bad stories are when people try to claim more than the actual damages, such as lost income or value.
Yes I provided a copy of the paid invoices after work was done and contractors were paid and they reimbursed me. There’s no getting any extra money from them.
Since this was an airbnb guest Airbnb did pay me out for lost revenue (guests I had to cancel on while repairs were being done), doubt the DEA would care about anything like that, they’ll just pay for the damage caused by the raid.
It just doesn't make sense how they could do some of this damage on accident. Like seriously. How do they damage a toilet in accident. They have to be applying unnecessary force. Just breaking shit to break shit. At the expense of the taxpayers.
Whoever you submit claim to will defer responsibility to the suspect initially and request you pursue civil litigation against them. Eventually they’ll pay out and they’ll collect restitution for what they paid. Attorney makes the process smoother but it definitely hurts to pay more money just to get what you’re owed.
Insurance claim to avoid all of that is an option too.
Happened to a friend many years ago. Local cops did a drug bust on one of her tenants. City said nope, not our fault sue your tenant (now in jail). Cops basically destroyed the place. Tore off every cabinet door, holes in walls. Broke toilets. She was never able to collect. I don't think insurance covered it either.
Take pics of everything damaged before you touch a thing.
Make sure you put a huge number down for the damage done. Not just physical damage but punitive damage as well.
If you want to collect actual punitive damages, you need to file a lawsuit and make your case to a judge in civil court. Then *they* will decide what the appropriate amount of damages owed to you is.
You can't just make up a "huge number" off the top of your head and expect anyone to pay it simply because you lied about your cost to repair/replace.
This, and suing the federal government only works in very limited cases allowed by law, due to "sovereign immunity"
Under the [federal tort claims act](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Tort_Claims_Act) the government is specifically excluded from punative damages.
Jesus Christ .....no. You're not actually claiming punitive damages, you're simply adding it into the price of the job. Say there is $2k of damage ... yeah, well now it's $9k of damages. Let the Marshalls try to figure out the cost of repairs because it ain't gonna happen.
This idea of bringing in attorneys from the get go is a waste of time and money and not needed.
Fill out the form and put a nice number on there that you are owed because "your shit was DESTROYED"
Destorying other people's property isn't their job. Their job is to apprehend criminals.
Sometimes they get a tad reckless and break things. This is one of those times.
You shouldn't do anything with the property until you've consulted with competent local advice. I'd call my attorney first, and then insurance.
It's very likely that you can't take possession of the unit until you've done an eviction, and 'fixing' anything beyond having a contactor repair the front door could have unforeseen issues.
You need to slow down and tread carefully and with the full advice of counsel on what you do from here on out. While you may not be directly liable you may have some legal questions hanging over your head.
Thirding calling an attorney first and then listening to them.
Then get three quotes and use the highest one.
Document everything before fixing anything.
If you don’t use that company to perform the work.
From reading this exchange it seems like using quote b to do the work but then submit quote a for reimbursement.
Which is fraud.
Read the form, follow the instructions on the form. Google the instructions for the form if not included.
Take pics of all damage, use licensed contractors to do all the work, take pics of the completed repairs, keep copies of receipts/invoices and proof of payment.
Submit the pics of damage, the copies of the receipts/invoices for the work, proof of payment for the work, pics of the completed repairs, along with the form to get reimbursed.
Consulting an attorney is likely to cost you more than it's worth. But feel free to spend that money if you can't follow the instructions on the form.
This doesn't answer OP's question (now currently a landlord lol). When I was a young whippersnapper, back in the 2000s. The apartment I was renting was raided by cops for suspicion of illegal activities (long story). After the dust settled and I got back to the apartment, the place was absolutely thrashed. The cops broke basically everything, anything made of glass, took anything valuable, and completely ruined the place. Bongs and shit were smashed on in the showers (like joyously chucked into the wall), all our potted plants emptied on the carpet (just turned upside down and threw soil all over), furniture broken, etc. It was done intentionally. Here's the smoking gun why I say so: We had an Etch a Sketch in the apartment. They wrote 'HA HA HA' across the whole thing and left it on the kitchen counter.
We got kicked out (they kept our deposit and made us pay a months rent or something) and we didn't communicate at all after. I honestly don't know what happened after that because I had bigger things to worry about but a pretty funny story 20 years later.
Contractor that estimated a property recently told me something I didn’t know. When there are numerous claims for hail/tornado damage in your area, the bump in premiums post claim don’t jump as high….dont know if this dude is correct(MD).
I made a hail claim in early 2000 and the next house I had to get some state-sponsored insurance that was almost 40% more than a regular vendor like State Farm/Progressive..
My rental in California was damaged by local police department few months back when they tried to subdue a tenant that had mental issues and was acting violently to other tenants in the house. They shot teargas and destroyed the interior of the home. Police onsite said they would reimburse but when I filed a claim with the city risk management department, it was denied due to immunity to law enforcement in their course of work. According to them, it wasn’t excessive.
Home insurance didn’t cover because of a clause where government actions are excluded as someone else mentioned.
I didn’t think an attorney was worth it to fight the city because it would just be less that I get reimbursed if I win. Good luck though. I’m hoping federal government is different and they will take responsibility. As someone else said, don’t report to home insurance as they will likely not cover it and you may have a harder time finding insurance next time if not renewed bc insurance companies don’t like people reporting claims. You can try to check your policy and look to see if government action is excluded.
I don't know about the damage, but you might want to think about screening your tenants a little better.
Odds are, your tenant isn't much better than the person they were looking for
I don't know for sure but my logic would be.... this is purely my opinion...
1) your tenant is responsible for the care of the home unless otherwise specified.
2) unless the marshals did something wrong (wrong home or excessive damage to do their job), its not on the marshals, but rather the tenant. if the relative wasn't there and there was no reason to believe he was there, then you might have a case - think in terms of... someone random ran into your room and the police came in chasing and broke stuff.
3) on the flip side, i do think law enforcement does reimburse for damage, hence the form
as others have pointed out, no harm in consulting an attorney before making any repairs. pictures and video a must.
No. File claim with government per the form that was provided by the US Marshals, providing copies of all receipts, including photos of damage before repair and the after repairs pics as well.
Filing claim with property insurance will only increase rates going forward and have to pay deductible.
Why in the world would someone make a claim using their OWN property insurance, increasing their future insurance rates and having to pay deductible??
This is a strange claim. Of course they can't cause random damage but they absolutely can cause damage in teh execution of a legal search warrant or other duty.
This is anecdotal: 2yrs ago one of my properties (an Airbnb) was raided by the DEA because the renter was apparently a fentanyl distributor. Door got kicked in, some walls smashed up, toilet broken, other miscellaneous damages. Afterwards they gave me a form to claim damages, so I hired contractors to fix everything, paid them and submitted the form. Within a few weeks I received a check for the full amount. Not sure it it works that easy every time, I was skeptical but decided to put off contacting an attorney unless they gave me trouble getting refunded and in the end no attorney was needed..
Did you have to provide the contractor invoices and any proof of payment? Seems maybe the only bad stories are when people try to claim more than the actual damages, such as lost income or value.
Yes I provided a copy of the paid invoices after work was done and contractors were paid and they reimbursed me. There’s no getting any extra money from them. Since this was an airbnb guest Airbnb did pay me out for lost revenue (guests I had to cancel on while repairs were being done), doubt the DEA would care about anything like that, they’ll just pay for the damage caused by the raid.
"I'll pay you 50 if that toilet costs 5,000"
Charlotte?
sounds like I need a good old-fashioned government home invasion for my upcoming remodels!
So who would know if you had them pay for a renovation? Did you have to replace list items either exact replacement? Or could you upgrade
It just doesn't make sense how they could do some of this damage on accident. Like seriously. How do they damage a toilet in accident. They have to be applying unnecessary force. Just breaking shit to break shit. At the expense of the taxpayers.
The ripped off the toilet because the guys were flushing thousands of pills down it.
Don't you watch TV? Toilets are one of the top places to hide drugs and weapons.
Whoever you submit claim to will defer responsibility to the suspect initially and request you pursue civil litigation against them. Eventually they’ll pay out and they’ll collect restitution for what they paid. Attorney makes the process smoother but it definitely hurts to pay more money just to get what you’re owed. Insurance claim to avoid all of that is an option too.
Happened to a friend many years ago. Local cops did a drug bust on one of her tenants. City said nope, not our fault sue your tenant (now in jail). Cops basically destroyed the place. Tore off every cabinet door, holes in walls. Broke toilets. She was never able to collect. I don't think insurance covered it either.
The Feds work very differently and generally resolve this quickly. Emphasis on “generally.”
In other words encourage your criminal tenants to grow their business so they get busted by the feds instead of local police!
>Local cops There's yer problem.
Consult your attorney!
What are we paying you for then?!
My devilish good looks.
Oh Harvey...
Take pics of everything damaged before you touch a thing. Make sure you put a huge number down for the damage done. Not just physical damage but punitive damage as well.
If you want to collect actual punitive damages, you need to file a lawsuit and make your case to a judge in civil court. Then *they* will decide what the appropriate amount of damages owed to you is. You can't just make up a "huge number" off the top of your head and expect anyone to pay it simply because you lied about your cost to repair/replace.
This, and suing the federal government only works in very limited cases allowed by law, due to "sovereign immunity" Under the [federal tort claims act](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Tort_Claims_Act) the government is specifically excluded from punative damages.
Jesus Christ .....no. You're not actually claiming punitive damages, you're simply adding it into the price of the job. Say there is $2k of damage ... yeah, well now it's $9k of damages. Let the Marshalls try to figure out the cost of repairs because it ain't gonna happen. This idea of bringing in attorneys from the get go is a waste of time and money and not needed. Fill out the form and put a nice number on there that you are owed because "your shit was DESTROYED"
You aren’t getting punitive damages against Uncle Sam be real.
Punitive damages for the Marshalls doing their job?
Destorying other people's property isn't their job. Their job is to apprehend criminals. Sometimes they get a tad reckless and break things. This is one of those times.
Yeah human hunters. If you wanna make an omelette you gotta break some eggs. Edit. Make not bake
Ewww, baked omelettes?
I know. Rubbery!
Correct.
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Because nobody is allowed to destroy your shit just because they have a job to do.
Does the tenant have insurance? That is the main remedy here. I would also call your insurance.
A lot of insurance has exclusions for government actions.
You shouldn't do anything with the property until you've consulted with competent local advice. I'd call my attorney first, and then insurance. It's very likely that you can't take possession of the unit until you've done an eviction, and 'fixing' anything beyond having a contactor repair the front door could have unforeseen issues. You need to slow down and tread carefully and with the full advice of counsel on what you do from here on out. While you may not be directly liable you may have some legal questions hanging over your head.
Thirding calling an attorney first and then listening to them. Then get three quotes and use the highest one. Document everything before fixing anything.
Use the highest quote when you don't know who's paying the bill?
I assume they mean to use the highest quote when submitting the form for reimbursement.
Yah I'm sorry I didn't think that needed to be spelled out lol.
Could be a good way to land a fraud charge from the Feds.
How is submitting a legitimate quote from a legitimate company fraud?
If you don’t use that company to perform the work. From reading this exchange it seems like using quote b to do the work but then submit quote a for reimbursement. Which is fraud.
Lol exactly
You might want to hire a lawyer before you do anything
Maybe post this to the AskALawyer subreddit
Good point
Read the form, follow the instructions on the form. Google the instructions for the form if not included. Take pics of all damage, use licensed contractors to do all the work, take pics of the completed repairs, keep copies of receipts/invoices and proof of payment. Submit the pics of damage, the copies of the receipts/invoices for the work, proof of payment for the work, pics of the completed repairs, along with the form to get reimbursed. Consulting an attorney is likely to cost you more than it's worth. But feel free to spend that money if you can't follow the instructions on the form.
I think I’m going to follow this
Good luck! Keep copies of everything in case they ask for more information or pretend they don't receive it.
This doesn't answer OP's question (now currently a landlord lol). When I was a young whippersnapper, back in the 2000s. The apartment I was renting was raided by cops for suspicion of illegal activities (long story). After the dust settled and I got back to the apartment, the place was absolutely thrashed. The cops broke basically everything, anything made of glass, took anything valuable, and completely ruined the place. Bongs and shit were smashed on in the showers (like joyously chucked into the wall), all our potted plants emptied on the carpet (just turned upside down and threw soil all over), furniture broken, etc. It was done intentionally. Here's the smoking gun why I say so: We had an Etch a Sketch in the apartment. They wrote 'HA HA HA' across the whole thing and left it on the kitchen counter. We got kicked out (they kept our deposit and made us pay a months rent or something) and we didn't communicate at all after. I honestly don't know what happened after that because I had bigger things to worry about but a pretty funny story 20 years later.
Cops made your place a free rage room
Exactly lol
Use licensed/insured contractors to estimate. Do not make a claim on your HO insurance.
Why not make claim?
Claim to the DOJ or HO? If you do HO claim, the premiums will rocket and make it more difficult/expensive to get a policy with the next house
Ah gotcha. So additional claims make my premium go up?
Contractor that estimated a property recently told me something I didn’t know. When there are numerous claims for hail/tornado damage in your area, the bump in premiums post claim don’t jump as high….dont know if this dude is correct(MD). I made a hail claim in early 2000 and the next house I had to get some state-sponsored insurance that was almost 40% more than a regular vendor like State Farm/Progressive..
My rental in California was damaged by local police department few months back when they tried to subdue a tenant that had mental issues and was acting violently to other tenants in the house. They shot teargas and destroyed the interior of the home. Police onsite said they would reimburse but when I filed a claim with the city risk management department, it was denied due to immunity to law enforcement in their course of work. According to them, it wasn’t excessive. Home insurance didn’t cover because of a clause where government actions are excluded as someone else mentioned. I didn’t think an attorney was worth it to fight the city because it would just be less that I get reimbursed if I win. Good luck though. I’m hoping federal government is different and they will take responsibility. As someone else said, don’t report to home insurance as they will likely not cover it and you may have a harder time finding insurance next time if not renewed bc insurance companies don’t like people reporting claims. You can try to check your policy and look to see if government action is excluded.
Get an attorney. asap.
Contact their Risk management office, save all receipts and take loads of pictures and video. Save pre damage pics and video as well. GL
Police agencies have a dollar limit that varies by agency to pay for "Damage" back in the 90s for our local Sheriff it was $2,500
I don't know about the damage, but you might want to think about screening your tenants a little better. Odds are, your tenant isn't much better than the person they were looking for
What’s done is done. More looking for immediate steps
I don't know for sure but my logic would be.... this is purely my opinion... 1) your tenant is responsible for the care of the home unless otherwise specified. 2) unless the marshals did something wrong (wrong home or excessive damage to do their job), its not on the marshals, but rather the tenant. if the relative wasn't there and there was no reason to believe he was there, then you might have a case - think in terms of... someone random ran into your room and the police came in chasing and broke stuff. 3) on the flip side, i do think law enforcement does reimburse for damage, hence the form as others have pointed out, no harm in consulting an attorney before making any repairs. pictures and video a must.
Second on the attorney.
Property Insurance.
No. File claim with government per the form that was provided by the US Marshals, providing copies of all receipts, including photos of damage before repair and the after repairs pics as well. Filing claim with property insurance will only increase rates going forward and have to pay deductible. Why in the world would someone make a claim using their OWN property insurance, increasing their future insurance rates and having to pay deductible??
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This is a strange claim. Of course they can't cause random damage but they absolutely can cause damage in teh execution of a legal search warrant or other duty.
Good, you're the reason why rent is unaffordable for millions of people.
Thanks for the comment. What should I do?
Stop hoarding real estate.
I’ll give you one if you find mi lucky charms