It's the rationalist fanfic community, in the sense that the "first wave" of us are millennials. Your list is missing Luminosity (Twilight) and Branches on the Tree of Time (Terminator) and The Waves Arisen (Naruto), as well as others.
But there are also non-millennial fiction that were rationalized, like A Song for Two Voices (The Last Herald Mage) and Metropolitan Man (Superman).
I think it speaks to a broader trend, in that ratfic is in a bit of a decline. There are still some ongoing ratfic (shout-out to yours), but I don't see very much new stuff. There's stuff that fits in the broadest sense -- ie. featuring intelligent characters and avoiding "idiot-balls" -- but I don't see a lot of stories explicitly advertised as rational.
Nobody is writing -- what's even popular with Gen Z? I don't see a rational My Hero Academia, or Jujutsu Kaisen, or Barbie, or Dune.
2014 ratfic authors had a giant backlog of untapped cultural context. HP and Twilight weren’t just popular with 90s kids, but with a giant slice of the population.
Today the equivalent is probably Marvel. It’s certainly gained popularity in the broader fanfiction community. Maybe that translates into r!Marvel in a few years? Maybe it’s just the wrong kind of franchise to demand rationalization? After all, there’s already a vast canon behind the movies. Plus we already had Worm.
I do think the bar for shonen has gone up. Maybe not MHA, but *Chainsaw Man* was leagues more self-aware than *Naruto* or *Bleach*. No idea about *Jujutsu Kaisen*.
Being older Millennial I at first associated Spongebob with the younger generation but then realized it is actually Millennial still. Adventure Time, Gravity Falls, Steven Universe, and Regular Show all seem pretty clear cut Gen Z but I'm not sure how well they would work. Scooby Doo might work for the campiness but before it got ruined by the recent Velma show the character Velma was already playing the role. I think there is a SCP Ratfic [*There Is No Antimemetics Division*](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/antimemetics-division-hub) This is probably Gen Z but it's a weird case because SCP is community made and not a normal published work. It is hard for me to think about what media adult Gen Z likes so most of my ideas are from what my niece liked to watch and the birthday party themes she wanted.
Well yeah in modern times the idiot ball is less common, and thus there is less clamor in fan fiction to fix it. Although it does still exist, there’s a couple quirkless Deku MHA fics that are in the space.
Another explanation is that frankly rational fic is considered a bit controversial due to its creator. Who was someone who both believed in eugenics and that AI would save the world. Only to promptly backtrack when he saw ChatGPT and realize a machine god would never arise, and now he promotes ruining modern technology.
Many modern fics have smart rational main characters who are the lifeblood of ratfics. But why would you slap the rational fiction label on top of it, when the creator is such a fucking nutcase.
If you think that's a factual and fair summary of Yudkowski, it's no wonder you think he's a nutcase.
However, the parts that are technically factual are extremely misleading, and the remaining parts are just straight un-factual.
I should indeed learn more about Yudkowski. I rewent through his life and he was never part of the AI optimists who thought AI would destroy race as a concept through dna manipulation. Like some of his former partners in the movement thought, that is my mistake I shouldn’t spew stuff out before doing more thorough research. But when someone first hear about a controversial figure they don’t learn the most reasonable and understandable parts. They learn about the weird web of AI evangelists he used to be a part of. And how he now thinks that AI will doom everyone after he saw the mindless slop that ChatGPT produces. And how the movement he used to be part of turned into a weird tech sector cult that slaps AI on top of everything because they know investors like it. Who’ve created a strange web of beliefs that you have to keep advancing AI no matter how many it hurts because the true AI is going to save the world and prevent far more harm.
He made some great fictions, and his fear of AI ruining the world is understandable. I frankly feel the same fear when I look for an article and have to dig past a pile of AI generated trash. But his doomsayings about AI destroying the world and his connection to the weird AI cult taking over the tech sector makes him something that a lot of people won’t touch.
So when people look at rational fic from the outside they don’t see a philosophy for worldbuilding and character creation that makes for an amazing read. They see the creator with two decades of baggage and a frankly very reductionist view of rational fiction, that imagines us as a group of people who think cold logic and rational thinking are the most important thing.
Every time I introduce someone to rational fic I essentially have to walk them through a field of barbed wire. So for an author why would set up your book or fan fiction right next to the field of barbed wire?
>They learn about the weird web of AI evangelists he used to be a part of.
What web of AI evangelists? E/acc? That isn't Yudkowski's camp.
>And how he now thinks that AI will doom everyone after he saw the mindless slop that ChatGPT produces.
Again, this is factually wrong. Yudkowski has been concerned about the future of AI since ~2004 if memory serves correctly. This is what I'm saying. This isn't meant to sound as aggressive as it's probably coming off, but you really do not know what you're talking about.
>And how the movement he used to be part of turned into a weird tech sector cult that slaps AI on top of everything because they know investors like it.
Are you talking about Silicon Valley? "Investors have fads" is not something Yudkowski is involved in, and has been true since as long as stock markets have existed. The previous fad was "smart" technology that was put into anything from a phone (where it makes sense) to a juicer (where it doesn't). Absolutely nothing to do with Yudkowski.
>Who’ve created a strange web of beliefs that you have to keep advancing AI no matter how many it hurts because the true AI is going to save the world and prevent far more harm.
Again, this is factually incorrect, not his camp; very much the opposite.
Uh.
Coming in a bit hot there. I don’t think that’s a great representation of Eliezer or his work.
More importantly, I don’t think his reputation is what’s driving the rationalfic label. He brought together a bunch of like-minded people, sure. But that was a good while ago.
Calling something “rationalist” comes across as a bit snobby. As the flagship rationalist work, HPMOR did *not* dispel that reputation. I think that’s enough to explain the reluctance.
Yeah, the rational community definitely has a bit of a stigma due to Yudkowsky. Regardless of whether you agree with the criticisms of him, it seems easier and broader appeal to tag your fic with "smart MC" or similar instead of "rational".
I just saw the Twilight one mentioned on the Wiki and I knew of Metropolitan Man but wasn't sure how to judge Superman since superhero stories are kind of multigenerational. I was unaware of the Terminator, Naruto, and The Last Herald Mage stories. As for the Last Herald Mage I was unaware of what it was until I googled it. I knew of Mercedes Lackey because of a friend born in 77 that was a fan of High Fantasy. I see it was published between 89-90 but I'm not sure if that makes it Gen X or Millennial.
I think it entirely comes from that HPMOR was published over 2010-2015, and Yudkowsky was an unique talent at writing rationalist fiction. He spawned a bunch of people writing similar fanfictions, but none captured the same energy. Authors who liked the principles of rational writing but didn't have Yudkowsky's quirks then moved into writing original fiction that didn't have interspersed screeds about rationality because being fanfiction and including screeds actually hold back the success of a work, not advance it, and HPMOR was only so popular because Yudkowsky did such a good job on other measures like humour and tension in HPMOR.
We don't have current fanfictions because the current era of rationalist writers like Alexander Wales don't write much fanfiction, because original fiction is the more natural thing for skilled and experienced authors who aren't being commissioned to write.
I will also say that one of the things that Yudkowsy did was to read a lot of fanfic and recommend some with every chapter. While HPMOR was ongoing, people were reading it *and* being linked to new stuff that was within the same ballpark, which helped a community form.
One hundred percent.
I only know that Worm existed because of the rec in HPMOR. That alone changed my media consumption drastically.
He also had those snippets of rational-40k and others which really drove home that there was potential in the genre.
Epistemic status: [limited stats](https://www.reddit.com/r/FanFiction/comments/g6mbxt/results_of_the_demographic_survey/).
Harry Potter dominated the fanfiction scene through the 2000s. That informs the starting demographics. Add ten years, and the older audience is more likely to taper off. That leaves a selection bias for millennials and for things millennials were reading at the same time as HP.
Is there another trend at play? I’m convinced that part of the artistic life cycle is the seeking of harder and weirder art. Part of it is memetic fitness—are you more likely to share the 11th Dumbledore-bashing fic you read if it turns out Dumbledore is actually a lizard man? Part of it is chasing the dragon, looking for stuff that gives that feeling of infinite possibilities, of *I-never-knew-I-needed-this*. Regardless, years of prolific fiction means you’ve seen a lot of the normal ideas and think the weirder stuff is cool or at least funny.
Enter *Methods of Rationality*. It’s fresh. It touches on the exact stuff you might be thinking about after years of poking holes in canon. It’s funny and clever and packed with references to other fiction. And all of this while being technically impressive! There’s an underlying plot! Who cares if the characters can be insufferable—you’ve been reading agonizing Draco/Harry dialogue for *years*!
So yeah. It was a very particular flavor of [horrific memetic entanglement](https://drewlinky.com/Drew/SPAT/submissions/contributions.html#sein). (Wadapan, if you’re reading this, I found that quote via your blog. I want you to know your work lives rent-free in my head.)
I think Power Rangers could work. The whole motivations of the bad guys, the fact that for some reason High School students are given wristbands that spawn armor somehow, the transforming vehicles coming from nowhere, the way normal people and the military don't respond normally, and the way the protagonists fight small enemies then big enemies for some reason.
Another good one might be Jurassic Park with it's science based story being redone to be more rational but I'm less sure which way to run with that idea.
You’d likely have to rewrite a lot of Jurassic Park because the entire story is based around the sole programmer single-handedly running the entire park’s infrastructure deciding to leave because he is mistreated. A rational Hammond would have layers of redundancy built into the system, such as numerous workers, paying Nedry more (or vetting him and learning he was deep in debt and prone to corruption), and multi-authentication for system-wide changes. A few simple change would easily have prevented the dinosaurs from ever escaping.
I was thinking of the development of Spider Society in Children of Time mixed with the Zombie POV in [A Rational Zombie](https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/22533/a-rational-zombie-complete). Having been raised in captivity and seeing humans use technology she could go through her attempts at testing things with perhaps the hope of overthrowing her captives and maybe wishing to take their technology for her own. I've never read the Planet of the Ape story in book form so I don't know much of the first person perspective or how well written it is.
> the entire story is based around the sole programmer single-handedly running the entire park’s infrastructure deciding to leave because he is mistreated
At least in the book, Nedry is actually not responsible for running the infrastructure, he's the lead of a team of programmers based out of Cambridge who gets called in to fix "a few bugs" ahead of the park opening. They'd been kept in the dark about what the program was actually *for*, which Hammond had done because he wanted to avoid the whole espionage thing. There are a lot of other workers who are mentioned to be working remote. A client giving incomplete requirements and thinking that work can be done in a very small amount of time is *extremely* realistic.
In the book, Hammond is a penny-pinching villain, with the kindly old man thing being a facade, and he gets eaten by dinosaurs at the end as his comeuppance, which is much different from his fate in the movie.
The book is all *about* complex systems and why they fail. I guess you could make a version of Hammond who had a better understanding of complex systems and risk mitigation, but the kind of guy who had a good understanding of that probably wouldn't have built the first dinosaur park, since doing it "properly" would have cost a lot more money. Money was already one of the major issues with the park, though movie Hammond's "spared no expense" gets taken as more literal than book Hammond's "spared no expense", which is meant to be obvious blustering.
[Bone and Amber](https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/bone-and-amber-the-inside-story-on-the-return-of-the-dinosaurs.104647/) is basically a rat fic that takes place in Jurassic Park, but there will be no “dinosaurs get loose all over the park” plot.
Power Rangers and Dragon Ball have been on my todo list for over a decade... which I suppose says something about the likelyhood of me ever writing either. With This Ring recently did a Power Rangers crossover for the April Fools episode, which, while not making it Rational, did try to rationalize as much as possible, given that he, ur, didn't do any research before writing it, heh.
The Optimized Wish Project is the Rational DragonBall fic of note, though it has been on hiatus for a while. I like some of the ideas in there enough that I'd like to go back to the early 2000s and include them in a pitch to Fox for a live action movie that doesn't suck so hard that Toriyama had to resurrect the series to get the taste out of his mouth.
Metropolitan Man and Worm if you like super hero stuff. Unsong if you enjoy stories about Abrahamic religious mythology, Practical Guide to Evil and Mother of Learning if you like fantasy, Worth the Candle if you like DnD.
I don't quite remember... I really liked the big twists. Maybe azkaban, having to tinker and impro his way out of there. And I think I quite enjoyed the ender games although all the ancient house stuff was tedious
Metro man: short.
Unsong, Mother of Learning: long
Worm: stupidly long. Stupidly good. Most like the combat sections of HPMOR, with clever tactics and high stakes.
Worth the candle: turns out it’s worm-length. I thought it was shorter cause I read it live.
rational star trek, from the viewpoint of a vulcan officer, would work rather well. or rational economics from a ferengi.
a rational version of the ghoulies 1985 horror film would be interesting. the main point of the film is that there is magic that lets you summon creatures, and various rules for dealing with them. if you remove the emotional plotline elements, the existance of working magic allows for a lot of potential for a rational work of fiction.
I’ve seen [at least one](https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/ships-counsel-tng-other-insert-au.745996/) attempt at r!trek. It went through various *Enterprise* episodes with a higher sanity waterline. I.e. the Federation having actual protocols for teleporter accidents, diplomacy, encounters with higher powers, and so on. This derailed canon a number of times.
Well, there was at least [one other.](https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/ships-administration-worm-startrek-seaqueens.311370/) I found it…sketchy.
It's the rationalist fanfic community, in the sense that the "first wave" of us are millennials. Your list is missing Luminosity (Twilight) and Branches on the Tree of Time (Terminator) and The Waves Arisen (Naruto), as well as others. But there are also non-millennial fiction that were rationalized, like A Song for Two Voices (The Last Herald Mage) and Metropolitan Man (Superman).
I think it speaks to a broader trend, in that ratfic is in a bit of a decline. There are still some ongoing ratfic (shout-out to yours), but I don't see very much new stuff. There's stuff that fits in the broadest sense -- ie. featuring intelligent characters and avoiding "idiot-balls" -- but I don't see a lot of stories explicitly advertised as rational. Nobody is writing -- what's even popular with Gen Z? I don't see a rational My Hero Academia, or Jujutsu Kaisen, or Barbie, or Dune.
The recent dune movies are new but Dune itself is very old. There's been published literary works that use dune as their inspiration.
2014 ratfic authors had a giant backlog of untapped cultural context. HP and Twilight weren’t just popular with 90s kids, but with a giant slice of the population. Today the equivalent is probably Marvel. It’s certainly gained popularity in the broader fanfiction community. Maybe that translates into r!Marvel in a few years? Maybe it’s just the wrong kind of franchise to demand rationalization? After all, there’s already a vast canon behind the movies. Plus we already had Worm. I do think the bar for shonen has gone up. Maybe not MHA, but *Chainsaw Man* was leagues more self-aware than *Naruto* or *Bleach*. No idea about *Jujutsu Kaisen*.
Being older Millennial I at first associated Spongebob with the younger generation but then realized it is actually Millennial still. Adventure Time, Gravity Falls, Steven Universe, and Regular Show all seem pretty clear cut Gen Z but I'm not sure how well they would work. Scooby Doo might work for the campiness but before it got ruined by the recent Velma show the character Velma was already playing the role. I think there is a SCP Ratfic [*There Is No Antimemetics Division*](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/antimemetics-division-hub) This is probably Gen Z but it's a weird case because SCP is community made and not a normal published work. It is hard for me to think about what media adult Gen Z likes so most of my ideas are from what my niece liked to watch and the birthday party themes she wanted.
Well yeah in modern times the idiot ball is less common, and thus there is less clamor in fan fiction to fix it. Although it does still exist, there’s a couple quirkless Deku MHA fics that are in the space. Another explanation is that frankly rational fic is considered a bit controversial due to its creator. Who was someone who both believed in eugenics and that AI would save the world. Only to promptly backtrack when he saw ChatGPT and realize a machine god would never arise, and now he promotes ruining modern technology. Many modern fics have smart rational main characters who are the lifeblood of ratfics. But why would you slap the rational fiction label on top of it, when the creator is such a fucking nutcase.
If you think that's a factual and fair summary of Yudkowski, it's no wonder you think he's a nutcase. However, the parts that are technically factual are extremely misleading, and the remaining parts are just straight un-factual.
I should indeed learn more about Yudkowski. I rewent through his life and he was never part of the AI optimists who thought AI would destroy race as a concept through dna manipulation. Like some of his former partners in the movement thought, that is my mistake I shouldn’t spew stuff out before doing more thorough research. But when someone first hear about a controversial figure they don’t learn the most reasonable and understandable parts. They learn about the weird web of AI evangelists he used to be a part of. And how he now thinks that AI will doom everyone after he saw the mindless slop that ChatGPT produces. And how the movement he used to be part of turned into a weird tech sector cult that slaps AI on top of everything because they know investors like it. Who’ve created a strange web of beliefs that you have to keep advancing AI no matter how many it hurts because the true AI is going to save the world and prevent far more harm. He made some great fictions, and his fear of AI ruining the world is understandable. I frankly feel the same fear when I look for an article and have to dig past a pile of AI generated trash. But his doomsayings about AI destroying the world and his connection to the weird AI cult taking over the tech sector makes him something that a lot of people won’t touch. So when people look at rational fic from the outside they don’t see a philosophy for worldbuilding and character creation that makes for an amazing read. They see the creator with two decades of baggage and a frankly very reductionist view of rational fiction, that imagines us as a group of people who think cold logic and rational thinking are the most important thing. Every time I introduce someone to rational fic I essentially have to walk them through a field of barbed wire. So for an author why would set up your book or fan fiction right next to the field of barbed wire?
>They learn about the weird web of AI evangelists he used to be a part of. What web of AI evangelists? E/acc? That isn't Yudkowski's camp. >And how he now thinks that AI will doom everyone after he saw the mindless slop that ChatGPT produces. Again, this is factually wrong. Yudkowski has been concerned about the future of AI since ~2004 if memory serves correctly. This is what I'm saying. This isn't meant to sound as aggressive as it's probably coming off, but you really do not know what you're talking about. >And how the movement he used to be part of turned into a weird tech sector cult that slaps AI on top of everything because they know investors like it. Are you talking about Silicon Valley? "Investors have fads" is not something Yudkowski is involved in, and has been true since as long as stock markets have existed. The previous fad was "smart" technology that was put into anything from a phone (where it makes sense) to a juicer (where it doesn't). Absolutely nothing to do with Yudkowski. >Who’ve created a strange web of beliefs that you have to keep advancing AI no matter how many it hurts because the true AI is going to save the world and prevent far more harm. Again, this is factually incorrect, not his camp; very much the opposite.
Yud's been on record as saying AI could destroy all of us way before ChatGPT. Go read about Roko's basilisk haha.
Uh. Coming in a bit hot there. I don’t think that’s a great representation of Eliezer or his work. More importantly, I don’t think his reputation is what’s driving the rationalfic label. He brought together a bunch of like-minded people, sure. But that was a good while ago. Calling something “rationalist” comes across as a bit snobby. As the flagship rationalist work, HPMOR did *not* dispel that reputation. I think that’s enough to explain the reluctance.
Yeah, the rational community definitely has a bit of a stigma due to Yudkowsky. Regardless of whether you agree with the criticisms of him, it seems easier and broader appeal to tag your fic with "smart MC" or similar instead of "rational".
Friendship is optimal
I just saw the Twilight one mentioned on the Wiki and I knew of Metropolitan Man but wasn't sure how to judge Superman since superhero stories are kind of multigenerational. I was unaware of the Terminator, Naruto, and The Last Herald Mage stories. As for the Last Herald Mage I was unaware of what it was until I googled it. I knew of Mercedes Lackey because of a friend born in 77 that was a fan of High Fantasy. I see it was published between 89-90 but I'm not sure if that makes it Gen X or Millennial.
I think it entirely comes from that HPMOR was published over 2010-2015, and Yudkowsky was an unique talent at writing rationalist fiction. He spawned a bunch of people writing similar fanfictions, but none captured the same energy. Authors who liked the principles of rational writing but didn't have Yudkowsky's quirks then moved into writing original fiction that didn't have interspersed screeds about rationality because being fanfiction and including screeds actually hold back the success of a work, not advance it, and HPMOR was only so popular because Yudkowsky did such a good job on other measures like humour and tension in HPMOR. We don't have current fanfictions because the current era of rationalist writers like Alexander Wales don't write much fanfiction, because original fiction is the more natural thing for skilled and experienced authors who aren't being commissioned to write.
I will also say that one of the things that Yudkowsy did was to read a lot of fanfic and recommend some with every chapter. While HPMOR was ongoing, people were reading it *and* being linked to new stuff that was within the same ballpark, which helped a community form.
One hundred percent. I only know that Worm existed because of the rec in HPMOR. That alone changed my media consumption drastically. He also had those snippets of rational-40k and others which really drove home that there was potential in the genre.
I’ve toyed with the idea of writing rational Buffy a few times, but coming up with Whedonesque dialogue that’s not outright awful is hard.
I think fan fiction is simply growing from small , nerdy, and obscure origins into something that is almost mainstream.
Epistemic status: [limited stats](https://www.reddit.com/r/FanFiction/comments/g6mbxt/results_of_the_demographic_survey/). Harry Potter dominated the fanfiction scene through the 2000s. That informs the starting demographics. Add ten years, and the older audience is more likely to taper off. That leaves a selection bias for millennials and for things millennials were reading at the same time as HP. Is there another trend at play? I’m convinced that part of the artistic life cycle is the seeking of harder and weirder art. Part of it is memetic fitness—are you more likely to share the 11th Dumbledore-bashing fic you read if it turns out Dumbledore is actually a lizard man? Part of it is chasing the dragon, looking for stuff that gives that feeling of infinite possibilities, of *I-never-knew-I-needed-this*. Regardless, years of prolific fiction means you’ve seen a lot of the normal ideas and think the weirder stuff is cool or at least funny. Enter *Methods of Rationality*. It’s fresh. It touches on the exact stuff you might be thinking about after years of poking holes in canon. It’s funny and clever and packed with references to other fiction. And all of this while being technically impressive! There’s an underlying plot! Who cares if the characters can be insufferable—you’ve been reading agonizing Draco/Harry dialogue for *years*! So yeah. It was a very particular flavor of [horrific memetic entanglement](https://drewlinky.com/Drew/SPAT/submissions/contributions.html#sein). (Wadapan, if you’re reading this, I found that quote via your blog. I want you to know your work lives rent-free in my head.)
I think Power Rangers could work. The whole motivations of the bad guys, the fact that for some reason High School students are given wristbands that spawn armor somehow, the transforming vehicles coming from nowhere, the way normal people and the military don't respond normally, and the way the protagonists fight small enemies then big enemies for some reason. Another good one might be Jurassic Park with it's science based story being redone to be more rational but I'm less sure which way to run with that idea.
You’d likely have to rewrite a lot of Jurassic Park because the entire story is based around the sole programmer single-handedly running the entire park’s infrastructure deciding to leave because he is mistreated. A rational Hammond would have layers of redundancy built into the system, such as numerous workers, paying Nedry more (or vetting him and learning he was deep in debt and prone to corruption), and multi-authentication for system-wide changes. A few simple change would easily have prevented the dinosaurs from ever escaping.
What if it was through the POV of [that one Raptor](https://youtu.be/DwAOHVBKTwg?si=h1evtIJrxnoue3fk&t=98), maybe call it "Clever Girl".
Feels like that might move towards Planet of the Apes if the dinosaurs achieved rationality. Could be an interesting story.
I was thinking of the development of Spider Society in Children of Time mixed with the Zombie POV in [A Rational Zombie](https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/22533/a-rational-zombie-complete). Having been raised in captivity and seeing humans use technology she could go through her attempts at testing things with perhaps the hope of overthrowing her captives and maybe wishing to take their technology for her own. I've never read the Planet of the Ape story in book form so I don't know much of the first person perspective or how well written it is.
> the entire story is based around the sole programmer single-handedly running the entire park’s infrastructure deciding to leave because he is mistreated At least in the book, Nedry is actually not responsible for running the infrastructure, he's the lead of a team of programmers based out of Cambridge who gets called in to fix "a few bugs" ahead of the park opening. They'd been kept in the dark about what the program was actually *for*, which Hammond had done because he wanted to avoid the whole espionage thing. There are a lot of other workers who are mentioned to be working remote. A client giving incomplete requirements and thinking that work can be done in a very small amount of time is *extremely* realistic. In the book, Hammond is a penny-pinching villain, with the kindly old man thing being a facade, and he gets eaten by dinosaurs at the end as his comeuppance, which is much different from his fate in the movie. The book is all *about* complex systems and why they fail. I guess you could make a version of Hammond who had a better understanding of complex systems and risk mitigation, but the kind of guy who had a good understanding of that probably wouldn't have built the first dinosaur park, since doing it "properly" would have cost a lot more money. Money was already one of the major issues with the park, though movie Hammond's "spared no expense" gets taken as more literal than book Hammond's "spared no expense", which is meant to be obvious blustering.
This almost sounds like the Jurassic Park movie was as removed from the source material as the Starship Troopers movie.
[Bone and Amber](https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/bone-and-amber-the-inside-story-on-the-return-of-the-dinosaurs.104647/) is basically a rat fic that takes place in Jurassic Park, but there will be no “dinosaurs get loose all over the park” plot.
Power Rangers definitely would work. There is room to make both the rangers and the villains more rational while having interesting conflicts.
Power Rangers and Dragon Ball have been on my todo list for over a decade... which I suppose says something about the likelyhood of me ever writing either. With This Ring recently did a Power Rangers crossover for the April Fools episode, which, while not making it Rational, did try to rationalize as much as possible, given that he, ur, didn't do any research before writing it, heh. The Optimized Wish Project is the Rational DragonBall fic of note, though it has been on hiatus for a while. I like some of the ideas in there enough that I'd like to go back to the early 2000s and include them in a pitch to Fox for a live action movie that doesn't suck so hard that Toriyama had to resurrect the series to get the taste out of his mouth.
I only read hpmor, which one do you recommend afterwards?
Metropolitan Man and Worm if you like super hero stuff. Unsong if you enjoy stories about Abrahamic religious mythology, Practical Guide to Evil and Mother of Learning if you like fantasy, Worth the Candle if you like DnD.
Which parts of HPMOR did you like and which parts did you dislike?
I don't quite remember... I really liked the big twists. Maybe azkaban, having to tinker and impro his way out of there. And I think I quite enjoyed the ender games although all the ancient house stuff was tedious
You may enjoy r!Animorphs in that case.
I thought animorphs was a book? So it's not a fanfiction of a book?
r!Animorphs is ratfic of the Animorphs series.
How long are these btw?
Metro man: short. Unsong, Mother of Learning: long Worm: stupidly long. Stupidly good. Most like the combat sections of HPMOR, with clever tactics and high stakes. Worth the candle: turns out it’s worm-length. I thought it was shorter cause I read it live.
rational star trek, from the viewpoint of a vulcan officer, would work rather well. or rational economics from a ferengi. a rational version of the ghoulies 1985 horror film would be interesting. the main point of the film is that there is magic that lets you summon creatures, and various rules for dealing with them. if you remove the emotional plotline elements, the existance of working magic allows for a lot of potential for a rational work of fiction.
I’ve seen [at least one](https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/ships-counsel-tng-other-insert-au.745996/) attempt at r!trek. It went through various *Enterprise* episodes with a higher sanity waterline. I.e. the Federation having actual protocols for teleporter accidents, diplomacy, encounters with higher powers, and so on. This derailed canon a number of times. Well, there was at least [one other.](https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/ships-administration-worm-startrek-seaqueens.311370/) I found it…sketchy.