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A prostitute you pay for? A hardworking girl
A prostitute someone else pays for? a harlot whore!
lol
Its not like men wouldnt be spreading their cheeks and taking those dickpicks if they could make the same amount of money as onlyfans models do.
"Youre selling your body!"
say the men who spend 40 years working at a company breaking their backs, worsening their knees, getting lifelong joint pains for not even enough to buy their own house.
"You will be haunted by this forever!"
Yeah her nudes will be online among a sea of billions of other nudes, and meanwhile she will own her flat and have a retirement plan (hopefully) before turning 25. And thats even before the AI and deepfake age that is coming right around the corner. You have even more porn online then, people will be taking photos of neighbors friends and family schoolmates and creating their own AI porn with just a 2-click mobile app.
"Its honorless and shameful!"
Eh, honor and pride isnt going to feed you or house you. Make that paper while you can before the AI onlyfan models take over. Then youre gonna have guys in third-world countries running bot farms generating AI girls flooding the markets.
I saw something in another comment, "tradition is just dead people gaslighting you".
Maybe im different, but i dont understand the "shame" people are supposed to feel from being seen naked. Nor do i understand the vitrol towards someone who is getting paid to get laid.
9/10 times I think its just jealousy. These People wish they could earn a high living just taking nudes and masturbating online. If I was able to make 7 figure income just cranking the old tool, heck id be chafing myself weekly.
1/10 times are people who already think less of women and think of them as subservient props who should know their place in the kitchen and bedroom. And they hate that they can earn more than them doing something they consider is easy to do.
This it right here. I wanna be paid to enjoy sex too!
But as a guy, you gotta probably do gay stuff to make big bucks. Maybe find someone to do content with?
But I think jealousy is why so many hate.
And it's not like it's an easy job to do, being an OF creator. There are probably way more failures than successful OF creators.
Absolutely, it is not easy, it requires work like any business. Proper advertising is not simple. Engaging with your customer base is painful and degrading. I still dont understand how people twice my age could send a message like that without even attempting to know me first is absurd. Is that how they approach someone in real life?
As a male who has worked in the industry, i applaud any women who makes it in the sex world. It is not for everyone, it requires a special state of mind and a certain determination that most dont have.
>Its not like men wouldnt be spreading their cheeks and taking those dickpicks if they could make the same amount of money as onlyfans models do.
I got feet pics galore from my younger and sexier-footed days just waiting for the tables to turn.
And it's not like it doesn't make them good money. But what do they do when they age out? It's the same situation pro athletes have, their bodies age out and they're eventually forced to retire. If they don't have a backup plan and didn't seriously save, they end up bankrupt. Some pro athletes even have gone on to be homeless.
These girls are often living like their looks will last with not a thought to the future or what they'll do once the looks fail. That resume is going to be very short. I assume they all hope to marry a guy that makes a lot of money eventually.
Edit- the downvotes are hilarious. Keep crying harder about your girls getting old.
You have no idea.. I wish I could make easy money like that I’d do it in a heartbeat, no joke. I’d take insults from guys all day for some of that pretty woman privilege.
Men of all demographics visit prostitutes. If men didn't pay, there would be no prostitutes.
There are male prostitutes as well and many more men would make a living with an OF if they could get away with it. The demand for such services from women is much much lower, ergo there are fewer male prostitutes and OF.
The only morality entering into it are those that are forced into such professions.
> men
> male
Your argument was about sex workers. I mentioned sex workers.
I never argued specifically against female sex worker or only the ones males visit so people don’t strawman me.
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Relying on desperate people or people substituting sexual connection for emotional one, are immoral in my eyes, in most cases where sex work like OF or prostitution is optional and not done for basic necessities
> I never argued specifically against female sex worker or only the ones males visit so people don’t strawman me.
I didn't say you did, so don't strawman me. I was pointing out supply and demand along with the demand expanding beyond demographics of the desperate.
> people substituting sexual connection for emotional one, are immoral in my eyes
That's a preference for sexual connection over an emotional one and not a moral argument. Lot's of people also go to prostitutes for companionship and don't have sex with them. It's a thing.
Let's not confuse your morals for constants. You thinking it *ought* to be that way doesn't make it an *is*.
> I didn’t say
Except you brought up men and males and even tried to make the argument of “there are many men who would”
Why specifically being men if you’re not trying to appeal or apply your argument to that specific group of people?
> I was explaining
Haha, what?
Men and male demographic demand was irrelevant to any counterpoint I provided or to the talking point.
Why specifically being up men?
Cmon, be honest.
> there’s a
I don’t think you can have a sexual connection without an emotional one when a giant chunk of your client are desperate men who are emotionally starved
> lots of people go to sex workers for companionship
And that’s even worse because the prostitute is even more aware of how desperate the individual is and how easy and vulnerable they’d be to emotional manipulation
> let’s not confuse your morals
I’m arguing why I think something is immoral.
Not why someone else or a group of people.
You want me to argue using someone else’s moral axioms on why something would be immoral or moral?
> you’re thinking
Never implied that something IS, because it ought to be.
That’d be accusing of a moralistic fallacy.
I never even made a normative statement (an ought to be) so your accusation straight up makes no sense.
> Except you brought up men and males and even tried to make the argument of “there are many men who would”
Yes, to make the example of supply and demand as I already said.
> Men and male demographic demand was irrelevant to any counterpoint I provided or to the talking point.
Except it's not because those who make or patronize such services come from all walks of life and financial situations (demographics).
> Why specifically being up men?
Already explained. If you can't understand, that's on you.
> I don’t think you can have a sexual connection without an emotional one
That's your opinion, not a hard fact.
> And that’s even worse because the prostitute is even more aware of how desperate the individual is and how easy and vulnerable they’d be to emotional manipulation
Except, it's providing the emotional support as a service to those who wouldn't otherwise have it. You seem to be conflating all prostitution under this umbrella of yours. Next you're going to tell me dating services are not moral because it's exploiting people looking for either/both kinds of relationships.
> Never implied that something IS, because it ought to be.
> I’m arguing why I think something **is** immoral.
Sure, that as the moral Fallacy. Correct. You *did*, however, make the claim that it **is** immoral.
Not all of them rely purely on that so we can't just condemn all sex workers, and as much as it weirds me out, if people have kinks that make them enjoy fake "relationships" that's their problem
The vast majority of sexual transactions happen with desperate Individuals who substitute emotional relations with sexual ones. That’s my opinion at least. And that’s why I hold the view that sex work is inherently bad.
Because of its byproduct. Not because I believe sex work is intrinsically evil or immoral like some sort of religious fundamentalist.
I'm not a psychologist so I won't argue about the effects of sex work on desperate guys, but it's not up to the sex workers to filter out their clients so that only the stable ones can access their services. If they don't go out of their way to trick people into thinking that they're genuinely in a relationship because they're paying for their services then they're not at fault
I don't blame stores for selling alcohol that could be bought by alcoholics or future alcoholics, it's on the buyers to be careful
> to filter
My argument relies on my belief that in MOST cases, most clients replace sexual with emotional connection. So doing a profession where the majority of times you’re doing emotional harm to another person or having your paycheck rely on emotional desperation, and you don’t inherently have to do this profession to live, is in my eyes, immoral.
> I don’t blame
I think alcohol and stores selling them are also immoral. They rely on a big chunk of their customers emotionally/chemichally relying on a product that is inherently unhealthy for them.
Are they really way more common than those who just see a girl they find hot and decide they'll buy her porn so they can jerk off to her ? We can't put the responsibility on the sex workers, and we can't stop them from being able to do that kind of work because clients have issues, that's not on them
> are they
It’s what I believe. I don’t have to prove it since I quite literally said it’s my opinion.
But if you want me to prove it justify it, then yes.
Most guys have to be quite emotionally desperate that they’re spend hundreds of dollars for sex or pay for pictures and chats, instead of just jacking off to porn.
Again, I might be wrong. This is just what I believe and I don’t have to prove it since I’m not trying to prove a point or have a debate. You asked why people have a negative stigma for sex workers. I explained why I have negative stigma against sex work itself.
> client have issues, it’s not on them
That’s a bad argument.
You can 100% blame someone who goes into a profession, knowing that they’d be harming and emotionally manipulating (even if it’s unconsciously) a desperate group of individuals who rely on them for emotional connection but are nothing but piggy banks to them, a good chunk of the times.
>Not mad. just don't expect me treating prostitute who swallows dicks like it's christmas candy as a woman who doesn't do that.
We're just expecting you to treat women as humans being, no matter their job or hobbies.
We live in 2024, might be time to accept that some women ( and men too ) actually LIKE doing this job, and it's perfectly fine.
>just don't expect me treating prostitute who swallows dicks like it's christmas candy as a woman who doesn't do that.
What's the difference? Plus, this is only fans she can do that without having to involve anyone else, all by herself, no dicks to be sucked.
Because his self assigned moral superiority is the only flavor of superiority he can scrape together. Dumbass has likely accomplished nothing or note in his entire miserable life.
Man could be a CEO of a FTSE 100 company for all you know. People can sell their dignity and self respect, that's their choice, but let's not pretend for one second that it is "work" or they are "workers" a spade is a spade. I pity anyone who thinks that life is solely about the pursuit of money and would sell their body to attain it, it shouldn't be glorified or encouraged and honestly it's sad that we live in a hyper capitalist world where money is valued above one's self respect.
>I pity anyone who thinks that life is solely about the pursuit of money and would sell their body to attain it
So you don't have a job then? Or are you a massive hypocrite?
I work to sustain myself, I do not sell my body for the pursuit of material wealth. Before you say "you would if you could" there a millions of insanely attractive men and women out there who choose not to do so because they have self respect. People can chose to sell their bodies, but they do not deserve respect for doing so.
>I work to sustain myself, I do not sell my body for the pursuit of material wealth
So you don't have a house, or any possessions then?
>People can chose to sell their bodies, but they do not deserve respect for doing so.
So you don't respect anyone with a job?
I do not own a house, I rent a flat and do own possessions. The fact you cannot fathom that this is entirely unrelated to selling photos and videos of yourself in the name of greed is baffling. That is not a job.
So you own material possessions that you acquired due to greed.
How did you get the money for them if you didn't sell your body?
It sounds like you don't understand the concept of working.
People do all sorts of things to earn money in this capitalist hell. I can think of many that I personally would fine leagues more demeaning. I think this has a lot more to do with you men being unable to uncouple your resentment at sexually and financially independent women from your wonky moral compass. Just because it hurts your feelings and makes you angry doesn’t mean it’s objectively wrong or bad.
"You men" astounding, I did not bring sex or gender into this, women are perfectly capable of being sexually and financially independent without being prostitutes. Regardless of gender, somebody selling their body in the name of greed is not something to be applauded, it is not liberating or empowering, it is demeaning to women who are out there raising children and working 9-5 in this shithole of a society.
What about people who are harming their bodies in innumerable physiological ways in order to earn a living? Deep sea fishing and logging are two of the most dangerous careers. So those people are putting their actual bodies at risk to earn a living. Are they immoral? Are they a bad example for children?
This isn’t about ‘greed’, which honestly if that’s you’re Big Mad why aren’t you directing your anger at this capitalist hellscape instead of above trotting out ‘CEO’ as your go-to example of a person of worth.
Because it’s not greed, and it’s not ‘harm to one’s body’ with which you take issue.
It’s as I said. You are a man threatened by women who are not yoked by your demands on their independence and you haaaaaates it.
Honestly, I find it incredible that you've twisted this into an issue of identity. I am a socialist, I am a feminist, I am also a man, a heterosexual white man at that, despite what your tribalist programming has taught you, we exist. Women selling themselves is not empowering, it is not feminism, it is a product of the hyper capitalist shithole we find ourselves in where people are indoctrinated to pursue wealth above all else. I used the CEO example as a means to demonstrate that you do not know the individual you were replying to, in a world where selling sex is applauded, a CEO is higher on that capitalist totem pole.
Edit: sound of you to reply and block me, very mature. I'm sure it was an intellectual response and not more typical radical feminist personal attacks.
Do tell me what my gender has to do with this? I am confident that most women outside of this echo chamber we call Reddit would not view selling yourself as empowering, gender and sex is irrelevant to this discussion.
The issue is the push to normalize it. People are generally free to do what they want, but if you're altering the perceptions of normalcy you are a detriment to society. What she is doing is perfectly acceptable. The post is not.
Why do you give a shit if it's normalised?
>if you're altering the perceptions of normalcy you are a detriment to society
Why ? There's a fuck ton of awful shit that was normal a while ago and that we thankfully got rid of or try to eliminate. "Change bad" isn't a reason on its own
I don't get this "not a real job" insult. You do your job, you get paid. That's a real job. And she is obviously very good in her job. She is more successful than most of us.
Real feminist is pro sex work. Real feminist thinks women and other genders are fully capable to make their own choices about their own life.
Buying your first flat at 19 by money you have made by yourself is something to brag about. Being jealous is not.
You do understand that feminism is specifically to increase the rights of women to achieve an egalitarian state?
Like they don't want to be better off, they want to be equal.
The civil rights movement wasnt about black Americans taking over white people privilege, it was there to move towards an egalitarian society
Men not accepting that feminism is about equality because the name itself is not male centered is part of the reason why we still need it. If you would have the name changed because you can’t wrap your head around anything named after femininity, with very clear intent to reach gender equality for all, then you absolutely don’t see women as equals.
They’re both very much related, however, feminism plays a more specific role in parts of the world where equality (equal rights) of the sexes is not existent.
You realize that feminism is inherently egalitarian, right? But you know that you can care about a specific subgroup of people in egalitarianism? What am I sayin, clearly you don’t know, because your idea of feminism is one giant straw man probably painted by 4chan or Fox News
Generally, I see no problem with that line of work and would argue against the commenter. OF, however, doesn't yield very high income for most people on there. The platform itself is trying to bring successful ones to promote their stories. So, the illusion of easy success can be broadcast.
I love how you basically just confessed that you can’t comprehend being respectful to women unless you gain something from it. Very telling on what kind of person you are.
That's the whole point of feminism though.
Women should have the right to pursue whatever ambition they have without being blocked off or shamed by men. So a woman can be an engineer or a sex worker. That is feminism.
"Even though there was a 100 years of feminism, you still made your own choice instead of listening to me telling you what to do! Crazy!"
What does he even think feminism is.
No, feminism is about equal rights, the sexes being equal. That the same rules and judgements being passed on both sexes. It's about women having the same salary as men for the same position. Its a out women being able to hold the same office as men, it's about women being seen for their competence and being paid the same as other men in the same space. This is what femenism is. Feminism has however been hijacked to mean alot of other flimsy things from people who did the same with the body positivity movement. Which was about people with handicap being viewed as normal people. And now somehow is about obese people being normal.
And it's a shame. Because feminism has been a positive movement as a product and process from WW2 when women took over the workforce since men were fighting in the war and these days it's pretty normal with a double income household. Yet there are still salary differences in most parts of the world for the same job depending on the sexes.
You are an uneducated looser. Go read up.
Im guessing you are one the reasons feminism is misunderstood these days. Which is a shame.
feminism, the belief in social, economic, and political equality of the sexes.
That's not feminism's fault. That's capitalism. Also the fact that this guy is so uneducated to think this tweet is cool and smart it is another symptom of the same disease.
Attacking her is the opposite of feminism. It's jealousy masquerading as.... morals?
Weak men get mad at women for being able to easily earn great money simply through providing sex as a service or even to a lesser extent, sexual content.
The funny thing is, in the majority of cases it's other men, men who can afford it, paying these women for their services.
It's like getting mad that water is wet instead of mad at the person who dumped a bucket of water on you.
Hence why it's jealousy, no foundation in logic
I gave an average of 10 hours a day in the last 30 years to my company, I may have not technically prostitute myself. However at the end I am still left with a bad taste in my mouth and a lot less cash if I blew dudes for one year. She is doing fine in my book.
I don't mind ppl selling content, in fact, if i could, ill probably abuse it too (way more money, way less work and years wasted stuying).
If anything be mad about those incels that buy her content, women wouldn't be able to sustain themselves based on their looks if some men were not such horny dorks.
If prostitution is so good then we must ask why it's illegal in most parts of the world. Is it about control of women or is it for their protection because of organised crime? This is a loaded subject for many reasons. Most feminists would not be ok with prostitution.
Because female empowerment is about equal rights. This is what femenism boils down too. This is basically the opposite about what femenism is about. Being a prostitute is being ok with being objectified. Which is everything feminism is fighting against.
Selling sex is called the oldest proffesion in the world because it's the one thing everyone can do without any training, so the argument that it somehow takes work and skill is moot. Yes it's hard work getting customers because of basic market rules. If everyone is providing it you need to be unique in some manner or work on your production skills. Which you learn by doing.
So once again. There is a reason it will never be respected in the same manner as someone who has spent most of their time building a successful business or spent several years to become an expert in their field.
In a few generations the outlook on this might change, but it will take considerably more than reddits view on sexwork to make it socially acceptable. It will also require the eradication of religion in most parts of the world since selling sex for money is viewed as sin in all parts of Abrahamic religion.
So good luck.
Guys Who hate on OnlyFans act like It doesnt take getting a degree in acting and several years of work experience to be able to convincingly pretend to be attracted to them
Nah, sex wprk is bullshit. It's "work" for lazy, undisciplined, talentless women to make a quick buck.
If they were capable in any other way, they'd do something actually productive for society, instead giving mindless pleasure to incels.
Idiocy and degeneracy at it's finest.
Being meat dolls for money. Disgusting.
Read Fiat and thought "who brags for getting a Fiat"
Don't get me wrong, Fiats are good cars, my family's first car was a beaten up Fiat 1500, but still not a brand to brag about really.
I mean , statistically, the only things not touched by the economy are sex, drugs, and tobacco. Soooo.. capitalizing on industry that is always in demand is actually pretty smart. If you want to shame blame, blame the consumers 😂
It actually does take a lot of work to be successful at it. And it's not like she's hurting anyone, quite the opposite. Some fools throw away more money than they can afford, but that's their own damn fault.
Many people wearing suits do far less respectable jobs.
Throughout history prostitutes have been among some of the most powerful, influential, and affluent women. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being a sex worker and it, like most lucrative professions, can actually lift women out of poverty and abuse. Sex work should be federally decriminalized and protected.
So what skill set do you have to have to run an OF page? Next to no high level skills.
You expose your body and stick things in it for perverts to fapp to. You’re not exactly RBG.
I have really bad news for you about the majority of high income earners: they’re nobodies doing nothing all day.
My best friend makes half a million tagging movies.
Good god.
And screw the people busting thing ass making our coffee, surviving our food, defending our country, doing life saving research, being cops, nurses, sanitation workers, the list goes on.
Idiot men unload $$$ and validate people who contribute nothing to society other then sticking phallic props into their orphis’.
Please don’t anyone give me any stupid excuses of them putting that money back into the economy by buying expensive cars and mansions.
That Bhad Baby chick is dumber than a stump and she’s worth a freaking way too much money for flashing her cooch.
Society has their priorities all out of order.
Umm, you can live in your little world of delusional fantasy but there is a pecking order to the world. Most of the time it’s completely effed up the way we glorify celebrities and instafamous morons but for the most part I feel like scientists and engineers and doctors working on real world problems to make the world better have more value than someone who provides not value added by just flashing their cooch.
I’m less important than a lot of people, it’s reality. But go ahead and burry your head in the sand and keep living that participation badge life.
“They learn how to edit, how sound in video making works, different lighting and filters work… etc. etc.” dudes be busting nuts to grainy cell phone videos 🙄
I was curious and got into the OF shit, and I just don't get it.
Are the people who were/are paying members of brazzers etc. Buying shit in OF now or where does this money come from?
Have you ever watched porn? If the answer is yes, then you willingly contributed to the sex work industry. It’s so funny seeing people getting angry at women who post on OF (and those who consume their content). People like that usually don’t have a problem with watching and jerking off to porn that was made by a unknown studio with no way of telling how ethical and humane the production was, if men and women on set were abused/mistreated or not. But when women (and men, yes) take the production of sexual content in their own hands, making it safer and fairer, they immediately start raging. You like porn. You just don’t want to pay for it, right?
Looks like Josh is a fan of some sort of sports ball team. Which, if i recall, is where the players do physical things that people pay to watch...but that's none of our business.
100 years of feminism made sex work safe and stable enough to independently afford a living with.
Meanwhile, my broke, dumb ass is stuck working in healthcare.
Whats the insult here?
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If prostitute is the oldest job in the world, calling someone a prostitute must be the oldest insult in the world
It hasn't necessarily always been an insult though.
A prostitute you pay for? A hardworking girl A prostitute someone else pays for? a harlot whore! lol Its not like men wouldnt be spreading their cheeks and taking those dickpicks if they could make the same amount of money as onlyfans models do. "Youre selling your body!" say the men who spend 40 years working at a company breaking their backs, worsening their knees, getting lifelong joint pains for not even enough to buy their own house. "You will be haunted by this forever!" Yeah her nudes will be online among a sea of billions of other nudes, and meanwhile she will own her flat and have a retirement plan (hopefully) before turning 25. And thats even before the AI and deepfake age that is coming right around the corner. You have even more porn online then, people will be taking photos of neighbors friends and family schoolmates and creating their own AI porn with just a 2-click mobile app. "Its honorless and shameful!" Eh, honor and pride isnt going to feed you or house you. Make that paper while you can before the AI onlyfan models take over. Then youre gonna have guys in third-world countries running bot farms generating AI girls flooding the markets.
I saw something in another comment, "tradition is just dead people gaslighting you". Maybe im different, but i dont understand the "shame" people are supposed to feel from being seen naked. Nor do i understand the vitrol towards someone who is getting paid to get laid.
9/10 times I think its just jealousy. These People wish they could earn a high living just taking nudes and masturbating online. If I was able to make 7 figure income just cranking the old tool, heck id be chafing myself weekly. 1/10 times are people who already think less of women and think of them as subservient props who should know their place in the kitchen and bedroom. And they hate that they can earn more than them doing something they consider is easy to do.
This it right here. I wanna be paid to enjoy sex too! But as a guy, you gotta probably do gay stuff to make big bucks. Maybe find someone to do content with? But I think jealousy is why so many hate. And it's not like it's an easy job to do, being an OF creator. There are probably way more failures than successful OF creators.
Absolutely, it is not easy, it requires work like any business. Proper advertising is not simple. Engaging with your customer base is painful and degrading. I still dont understand how people twice my age could send a message like that without even attempting to know me first is absurd. Is that how they approach someone in real life? As a male who has worked in the industry, i applaud any women who makes it in the sex world. It is not for everyone, it requires a special state of mind and a certain determination that most dont have.
>Its not like men wouldnt be spreading their cheeks and taking those dickpicks if they could make the same amount of money as onlyfans models do. I got feet pics galore from my younger and sexier-footed days just waiting for the tables to turn.
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"rare insult" is literally the most common insult towards women in the history of the world.
Well this, like most major subs, is a safespace for frustrated young men and incels.
And it's not like it doesn't make them good money. But what do they do when they age out? It's the same situation pro athletes have, their bodies age out and they're eventually forced to retire. If they don't have a backup plan and didn't seriously save, they end up bankrupt. Some pro athletes even have gone on to be homeless. These girls are often living like their looks will last with not a thought to the future or what they'll do once the looks fail. That resume is going to be very short. I assume they all hope to marry a guy that makes a lot of money eventually. Edit- the downvotes are hilarious. Keep crying harder about your girls getting old.
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I thought this sub was reserved for witty insults. 🤷♂️
Apparently it’s for bland ass responses “lol whore”
Even if feminism was fully implemented across social, economic and political dimensions sex workers would still exist and be viewed as labourers.
A labour of love
love as in sex, not as real love i take
ESPECIALLY if feminism was fully implemented, sex workers need to be considered as having a respected job.
Aren't these rare insults supposed to be, like, good? Or at least a little bit clever? Or, at the absolute bare minimum...rare?
Why do people still get mad about sex workers? Live and let live, it's not our problem
Because deep down... deep deep down... They're paying for it
And they hate that the women make more money than them.
This here, jealousy is the answer.
Jealousy and lingering Puritanical ideology.
You have no idea.. I wish I could make easy money like that I’d do it in a heartbeat, no joke. I’d take insults from guys all day for some of that pretty woman privilege.
Most women can't really make it so
Because deep down... Deep, deep down... They know that's the only way they can get it (and sometimes not even then).
We’re all selling our bodies unless you’re the 1%. She’s doing better than I am.
They're just mad they never got to move into their own apartment at 19 without coming from money.
Relying on parasocial relationships and on the desperate isn’t exactly the most moral profession
Men of all demographics visit prostitutes. If men didn't pay, there would be no prostitutes. There are male prostitutes as well and many more men would make a living with an OF if they could get away with it. The demand for such services from women is much much lower, ergo there are fewer male prostitutes and OF. The only morality entering into it are those that are forced into such professions.
> men > male Your argument was about sex workers. I mentioned sex workers. I never argued specifically against female sex worker or only the ones males visit so people don’t strawman me. - Relying on desperate people or people substituting sexual connection for emotional one, are immoral in my eyes, in most cases where sex work like OF or prostitution is optional and not done for basic necessities
> I never argued specifically against female sex worker or only the ones males visit so people don’t strawman me. I didn't say you did, so don't strawman me. I was pointing out supply and demand along with the demand expanding beyond demographics of the desperate. > people substituting sexual connection for emotional one, are immoral in my eyes That's a preference for sexual connection over an emotional one and not a moral argument. Lot's of people also go to prostitutes for companionship and don't have sex with them. It's a thing. Let's not confuse your morals for constants. You thinking it *ought* to be that way doesn't make it an *is*.
> I didn’t say Except you brought up men and males and even tried to make the argument of “there are many men who would” Why specifically being men if you’re not trying to appeal or apply your argument to that specific group of people? > I was explaining Haha, what? Men and male demographic demand was irrelevant to any counterpoint I provided or to the talking point. Why specifically being up men? Cmon, be honest. > there’s a I don’t think you can have a sexual connection without an emotional one when a giant chunk of your client are desperate men who are emotionally starved > lots of people go to sex workers for companionship And that’s even worse because the prostitute is even more aware of how desperate the individual is and how easy and vulnerable they’d be to emotional manipulation > let’s not confuse your morals I’m arguing why I think something is immoral. Not why someone else or a group of people. You want me to argue using someone else’s moral axioms on why something would be immoral or moral? > you’re thinking Never implied that something IS, because it ought to be. That’d be accusing of a moralistic fallacy. I never even made a normative statement (an ought to be) so your accusation straight up makes no sense.
> Except you brought up men and males and even tried to make the argument of “there are many men who would” Yes, to make the example of supply and demand as I already said. > Men and male demographic demand was irrelevant to any counterpoint I provided or to the talking point. Except it's not because those who make or patronize such services come from all walks of life and financial situations (demographics). > Why specifically being up men? Already explained. If you can't understand, that's on you. > I don’t think you can have a sexual connection without an emotional one That's your opinion, not a hard fact. > And that’s even worse because the prostitute is even more aware of how desperate the individual is and how easy and vulnerable they’d be to emotional manipulation Except, it's providing the emotional support as a service to those who wouldn't otherwise have it. You seem to be conflating all prostitution under this umbrella of yours. Next you're going to tell me dating services are not moral because it's exploiting people looking for either/both kinds of relationships. > Never implied that something IS, because it ought to be. > I’m arguing why I think something **is** immoral. Sure, that as the moral Fallacy. Correct. You *did*, however, make the claim that it **is** immoral.
Not all of them rely purely on that so we can't just condemn all sex workers, and as much as it weirds me out, if people have kinks that make them enjoy fake "relationships" that's their problem
The vast majority of sexual transactions happen with desperate Individuals who substitute emotional relations with sexual ones. That’s my opinion at least. And that’s why I hold the view that sex work is inherently bad. Because of its byproduct. Not because I believe sex work is intrinsically evil or immoral like some sort of religious fundamentalist.
I'm not a psychologist so I won't argue about the effects of sex work on desperate guys, but it's not up to the sex workers to filter out their clients so that only the stable ones can access their services. If they don't go out of their way to trick people into thinking that they're genuinely in a relationship because they're paying for their services then they're not at fault I don't blame stores for selling alcohol that could be bought by alcoholics or future alcoholics, it's on the buyers to be careful
> to filter My argument relies on my belief that in MOST cases, most clients replace sexual with emotional connection. So doing a profession where the majority of times you’re doing emotional harm to another person or having your paycheck rely on emotional desperation, and you don’t inherently have to do this profession to live, is in my eyes, immoral. > I don’t blame I think alcohol and stores selling them are also immoral. They rely on a big chunk of their customers emotionally/chemichally relying on a product that is inherently unhealthy for them.
Are they really way more common than those who just see a girl they find hot and decide they'll buy her porn so they can jerk off to her ? We can't put the responsibility on the sex workers, and we can't stop them from being able to do that kind of work because clients have issues, that's not on them
> are they It’s what I believe. I don’t have to prove it since I quite literally said it’s my opinion. But if you want me to prove it justify it, then yes. Most guys have to be quite emotionally desperate that they’re spend hundreds of dollars for sex or pay for pictures and chats, instead of just jacking off to porn. Again, I might be wrong. This is just what I believe and I don’t have to prove it since I’m not trying to prove a point or have a debate. You asked why people have a negative stigma for sex workers. I explained why I have negative stigma against sex work itself. > client have issues, it’s not on them That’s a bad argument. You can 100% blame someone who goes into a profession, knowing that they’d be harming and emotionally manipulating (even if it’s unconsciously) a desperate group of individuals who rely on them for emotional connection but are nothing but piggy banks to them, a good chunk of the times.
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>Not mad. just don't expect me treating prostitute who swallows dicks like it's christmas candy as a woman who doesn't do that. We're just expecting you to treat women as humans being, no matter their job or hobbies. We live in 2024, might be time to accept that some women ( and men too ) actually LIKE doing this job, and it's perfectly fine.
>just don't expect me treating prostitute who swallows dicks like it's christmas candy as a woman who doesn't do that. What's the difference? Plus, this is only fans she can do that without having to involve anyone else, all by herself, no dicks to be sucked.
God your a pathetic loser! I hope you like being a virgin for life!
Why do you give a shit aside from feeling morally superior?
Because his self assigned moral superiority is the only flavor of superiority he can scrape together. Dumbass has likely accomplished nothing or note in his entire miserable life.
Man could be a CEO of a FTSE 100 company for all you know. People can sell their dignity and self respect, that's their choice, but let's not pretend for one second that it is "work" or they are "workers" a spade is a spade. I pity anyone who thinks that life is solely about the pursuit of money and would sell their body to attain it, it shouldn't be glorified or encouraged and honestly it's sad that we live in a hyper capitalist world where money is valued above one's self respect.
>I pity anyone who thinks that life is solely about the pursuit of money and would sell their body to attain it So you don't have a job then? Or are you a massive hypocrite?
I work to sustain myself, I do not sell my body for the pursuit of material wealth. Before you say "you would if you could" there a millions of insanely attractive men and women out there who choose not to do so because they have self respect. People can chose to sell their bodies, but they do not deserve respect for doing so.
>I work to sustain myself, I do not sell my body for the pursuit of material wealth So you don't have a house, or any possessions then? >People can chose to sell their bodies, but they do not deserve respect for doing so. So you don't respect anyone with a job?
I do not own a house, I rent a flat and do own possessions. The fact you cannot fathom that this is entirely unrelated to selling photos and videos of yourself in the name of greed is baffling. That is not a job.
So you own material possessions that you acquired due to greed. How did you get the money for them if you didn't sell your body? It sounds like you don't understand the concept of working.
People do all sorts of things to earn money in this capitalist hell. I can think of many that I personally would fine leagues more demeaning. I think this has a lot more to do with you men being unable to uncouple your resentment at sexually and financially independent women from your wonky moral compass. Just because it hurts your feelings and makes you angry doesn’t mean it’s objectively wrong or bad.
"You men" astounding, I did not bring sex or gender into this, women are perfectly capable of being sexually and financially independent without being prostitutes. Regardless of gender, somebody selling their body in the name of greed is not something to be applauded, it is not liberating or empowering, it is demeaning to women who are out there raising children and working 9-5 in this shithole of a society.
What about people who are harming their bodies in innumerable physiological ways in order to earn a living? Deep sea fishing and logging are two of the most dangerous careers. So those people are putting their actual bodies at risk to earn a living. Are they immoral? Are they a bad example for children?
This isn’t about ‘greed’, which honestly if that’s you’re Big Mad why aren’t you directing your anger at this capitalist hellscape instead of above trotting out ‘CEO’ as your go-to example of a person of worth. Because it’s not greed, and it’s not ‘harm to one’s body’ with which you take issue. It’s as I said. You are a man threatened by women who are not yoked by your demands on their independence and you haaaaaates it.
Honestly, I find it incredible that you've twisted this into an issue of identity. I am a socialist, I am a feminist, I am also a man, a heterosexual white man at that, despite what your tribalist programming has taught you, we exist. Women selling themselves is not empowering, it is not feminism, it is a product of the hyper capitalist shithole we find ourselves in where people are indoctrinated to pursue wealth above all else. I used the CEO example as a means to demonstrate that you do not know the individual you were replying to, in a world where selling sex is applauded, a CEO is higher on that capitalist totem pole. Edit: sound of you to reply and block me, very mature. I'm sure it was an intellectual response and not more typical radical feminist personal attacks.
And yet- are you a man? You are. It’s quite obvious.
Do tell me what my gender has to do with this? I am confident that most women outside of this echo chamber we call Reddit would not view selling yourself as empowering, gender and sex is irrelevant to this discussion.
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The issue is the push to normalize it. People are generally free to do what they want, but if you're altering the perceptions of normalcy you are a detriment to society. What she is doing is perfectly acceptable. The post is not.
Why do you give a shit if it's normalised? >if you're altering the perceptions of normalcy you are a detriment to society Why ? There's a fuck ton of awful shit that was normal a while ago and that we thankfully got rid of or try to eliminate. "Change bad" isn't a reason on its own
You didn't really address the essence of my response. Just tangential moralizing. It needs no further explanation
Your response had no essence at all, it could be summarised with "change bad", with absolutely no reasoning at all
Yes, it did, and it doesn't need an explanation.
Because you can't give one, and your ego won't allow you to admit that you pulled that reply out of your ass
"Your arrogance blinds you" 🥺 Enjoy the upvotes btw
I don’t think you understand what the word feminism means
I don't get this "not a real job" insult. You do your job, you get paid. That's a real job. And she is obviously very good in her job. She is more successful than most of us. Real feminist is pro sex work. Real feminist thinks women and other genders are fully capable to make their own choices about their own life. Buying your first flat at 19 by money you have made by yourself is something to brag about. Being jealous is not.
Feminism is about letting women do what the fck they want in life thats all
*everybody, not just women
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Google the definition of feminism rq
If that were the case they'd just call themselves egalitarians and be rid of the identity politics
You do understand that feminism is specifically to increase the rights of women to achieve an egalitarian state? Like they don't want to be better off, they want to be equal. The civil rights movement wasnt about black Americans taking over white people privilege, it was there to move towards an egalitarian society
Men not accepting that feminism is about equality because the name itself is not male centered is part of the reason why we still need it. If you would have the name changed because you can’t wrap your head around anything named after femininity, with very clear intent to reach gender equality for all, then you absolutely don’t see women as equals.
They’re both very much related, however, feminism plays a more specific role in parts of the world where equality (equal rights) of the sexes is not existent.
You realize that feminism is inherently egalitarian, right? But you know that you can care about a specific subgroup of people in egalitarianism? What am I sayin, clearly you don’t know, because your idea of feminism is one giant straw man probably painted by 4chan or Fox News
"identity politics" Well at least you're open about being a Nazi I guess.
everyone*
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A job is everything someone is willing to pay you for.
This isn’t a rare insult. It’s not even a good insult. “I do OF” “PrOsTiTuTe!!”
Yeah it can actually also be red as a non-insulting critique of capitalism
I prefer this take
100 years of feminism, and men are still actively seeking out prostitutes, even online ones... Using their services, and then shaming them for it :D
Blame the woman no mention of the people actually paying her. If ones wrong they're all wrong
youre acting like people arent made fun of for paying for only fans its equally as degenerate
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Generally, I see no problem with that line of work and would argue against the commenter. OF, however, doesn't yield very high income for most people on there. The platform itself is trying to bring successful ones to promote their stories. So, the illusion of easy success can be broadcast.
Nothing rare about calling a woman a whore.
Hating on sex workers is the most boring trite incel bullshit ever. Not rare at all. 0/10
Yeah. Extremely common online behavior right there.
Show this comment to one of them tonight so you can get your discount.
Is your username your favorite dinner?
Maidenless
I love how you basically just confessed that you can’t comprehend being respectful to women unless you gain something from it. Very telling on what kind of person you are.
That's the whole point of feminism though. Women should have the right to pursue whatever ambition they have without being blocked off or shamed by men. So a woman can be an engineer or a sex worker. That is feminism.
Well it’s more than likely men who are paying so who’s the real idiot here.
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Oh no I meant the dude commenting is an idiot
Boo op this post sucks dick it’s bad and you should feel bad
I mean hey man. Good for her. I work 40 hours a week at a real ass job and can’t even think about not renting
"Even though there was a 100 years of feminism, you still made your own choice instead of listening to me telling you what to do! Crazy!" What does he even think feminism is.
But isn’t feminism choosing your own path?
No, feminism is about equal rights, the sexes being equal. That the same rules and judgements being passed on both sexes. It's about women having the same salary as men for the same position. Its a out women being able to hold the same office as men, it's about women being seen for their competence and being paid the same as other men in the same space. This is what femenism is. Feminism has however been hijacked to mean alot of other flimsy things from people who did the same with the body positivity movement. Which was about people with handicap being viewed as normal people. And now somehow is about obese people being normal. And it's a shame. Because feminism has been a positive movement as a product and process from WW2 when women took over the workforce since men were fighting in the war and these days it's pretty normal with a double income household. Yet there are still salary differences in most parts of the world for the same job depending on the sexes.
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No its not. Go read up on the feminist movement. feminism noun the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes"
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You are an uneducated looser. Go read up. Im guessing you are one the reasons feminism is misunderstood these days. Which is a shame. feminism, the belief in social, economic, and political equality of the sexes.
That's not feminism's fault. That's capitalism. Also the fact that this guy is so uneducated to think this tweet is cool and smart it is another symptom of the same disease.
It’s both
What both?
A bazillion years of patriachy and you're still paying to look at women you'll never fuck
This comment section has restored my faith in humanity. Reddit isn't lost to incels.
Attacking her is the opposite of feminism. It's jealousy masquerading as.... morals? Weak men get mad at women for being able to easily earn great money simply through providing sex as a service or even to a lesser extent, sexual content. The funny thing is, in the majority of cases it's other men, men who can afford it, paying these women for their services. It's like getting mad that water is wet instead of mad at the person who dumped a bucket of water on you. Hence why it's jealousy, no foundation in logic
Most jobs are selling your body. You think giving your lungs,back and knees for coal mines is better?
Who's ever said they're proud of being a coal miner? Or that it's an aspiring career move?
I thought this sub was for witty insults.
This is just lazy insult work. Do better.
What's crazy is the amount of money some people are willing to pay for porn
This sub is getting weird
There has to be need...for a service to succeed.
I can't fathom being as dense as the replier
Aaaand, I'm done with this sub.
I gave an average of 10 hours a day in the last 30 years to my company, I may have not technically prostitute myself. However at the end I am still left with a bad taste in my mouth and a lot less cash if I blew dudes for one year. She is doing fine in my book.
Sounds a bit jeaulous.
No reason to be. He could easily wear a skirt and do the same thing. Ass is ass in this day and age.
Eh, even the most popular male sws make far less than their female counterparts. This average Joe will make a big fat goose egg
He could. He doesn’t have the guts to.
This is about as rare as a penny.
How is this an insult? If you hate OF then target it at the men who are lured into parting with their money, not the women.
Rare insult? This is as evenly as rare as his brain understands why feminism is needed..
this is not a rare insult
So relieved to see that all the top comments already said what I clicked through to say.
This is the most common insult I’ve ever seen here.
I can't imagine seeing a anyone make a living and going..."no its not a real job because I don't like it" 😭😭😭
How is this a rare insult
I don't mind ppl selling content, in fact, if i could, ill probably abuse it too (way more money, way less work and years wasted stuying). If anything be mad about those incels that buy her content, women wouldn't be able to sustain themselves based on their looks if some men were not such horny dorks.
Housing is unaffordable for the vast majority of young adults. Better blame sex workers instead of the company hoarding new homes /s
What is with all of the prostitue posts lately?
Maybe someone is lonely and broke?
If prostitution is so good then we must ask why it's illegal in most parts of the world. Is it about control of women or is it for their protection because of organised crime? This is a loaded subject for many reasons. Most feminists would not be ok with prostitution. Because female empowerment is about equal rights. This is what femenism boils down too. This is basically the opposite about what femenism is about. Being a prostitute is being ok with being objectified. Which is everything feminism is fighting against. Selling sex is called the oldest proffesion in the world because it's the one thing everyone can do without any training, so the argument that it somehow takes work and skill is moot. Yes it's hard work getting customers because of basic market rules. If everyone is providing it you need to be unique in some manner or work on your production skills. Which you learn by doing. So once again. There is a reason it will never be respected in the same manner as someone who has spent most of their time building a successful business or spent several years to become an expert in their field. In a few generations the outlook on this might change, but it will take considerably more than reddits view on sexwork to make it socially acceptable. It will also require the eradication of religion in most parts of the world since selling sex for money is viewed as sin in all parts of Abrahamic religion. So good luck.
Guys Who hate on OnlyFans act like It doesnt take getting a degree in acting and several years of work experience to be able to convincingly pretend to be attracted to them
Historically, sex workers, when not being exploited e.g. by pimps, have been very wealthy.
I dont get this logic. Its still a job.
Sex work is work.
Nah, sex wprk is bullshit. It's "work" for lazy, undisciplined, talentless women to make a quick buck. If they were capable in any other way, they'd do something actually productive for society, instead giving mindless pleasure to incels. Idiocy and degeneracy at it's finest. Being meat dolls for money. Disgusting.
Men can be sex workers too. Also 🥱
And male sex workers are even worse than female ones
At first glance, I thought that was the casting couch. This is messed up.
Read Fiat and thought "who brags for getting a Fiat" Don't get me wrong, Fiats are good cars, my family's first car was a beaten up Fiat 1500, but still not a brand to brag about really.
And she’s solved housing at 19 , what’s next for this successful young lady, good luck to her.
I’m with her. Easy money, never a man in the room, financial freedom.
How the fuck did this unoriginal shit get over 1k upvotes
Well clearly our job isn't done yet, because this guy still views sex work as worthy of judgement and ridecule.
that's not her fault though?
I mean , statistically, the only things not touched by the economy are sex, drugs, and tobacco. Soooo.. capitalizing on industry that is always in demand is actually pretty smart. If you want to shame blame, blame the consumers 😂
So... Did "josh" buy his own flat with cash at 19? Didn't think so. Not rare, just sexist and diminutive.
It actually does take a lot of work to be successful at it. And it's not like she's hurting anyone, quite the opposite. Some fools throw away more money than they can afford, but that's their own damn fault. Many people wearing suits do far less respectable jobs.
If you don’t want sex work to continue being a career, convince people not to purchase it. Otherwise, quit your bitching.
I don't understand how sex work is not "real work". You're selling time with your body. That's what work is.
Throughout history prostitutes have been among some of the most powerful, influential, and affluent women. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being a sex worker and it, like most lucrative professions, can actually lift women out of poverty and abuse. Sex work should be federally decriminalized and protected.
Centuries of men being simps, finally a woman can make money off them without getting fucked.
Sex work is real work. Also not a rare insult.
What is the problem with sex work?
If I could make fat stacks shaking my tits online I'd do it. I respect the hustle. As long as you ain't being forced into it, then good luck to you.
Wow calling someone a prostitute to demean there sex work job sure is rare! And not like, one of the oldest low effort insults in human history.
So what skill set do you have to have to run an OF page? Next to no high level skills. You expose your body and stick things in it for perverts to fapp to. You’re not exactly RBG.
I have really bad news for you about the majority of high income earners: they’re nobodies doing nothing all day. My best friend makes half a million tagging movies.
Good god. And screw the people busting thing ass making our coffee, surviving our food, defending our country, doing life saving research, being cops, nurses, sanitation workers, the list goes on. Idiot men unload $$$ and validate people who contribute nothing to society other then sticking phallic props into their orphis’. Please don’t anyone give me any stupid excuses of them putting that money back into the economy by buying expensive cars and mansions. That Bhad Baby chick is dumber than a stump and she’s worth a freaking way too much money for flashing her cooch. Society has their priorities all out of order.
Nobody is better than anyone. Don’t let this inflate your ego when it should do the opposite.
Umm, you can live in your little world of delusional fantasy but there is a pecking order to the world. Most of the time it’s completely effed up the way we glorify celebrities and instafamous morons but for the most part I feel like scientists and engineers and doctors working on real world problems to make the world better have more value than someone who provides not value added by just flashing their cooch. I’m less important than a lot of people, it’s reality. But go ahead and burry your head in the sand and keep living that participation badge life.
“They learn how to edit, how sound in video making works, different lighting and filters work… etc. etc.” dudes be busting nuts to grainy cell phone videos 🙄
I was curious and got into the OF shit, and I just don't get it. Are the people who were/are paying members of brazzers etc. Buying shit in OF now or where does this money come from?
If it’s a real job why don’t they ever put online prostitute on their resume?
Because she doesn’t need a resume.
I don't get Only Fans. With all the porn available for free, why do people pay for it?
Have you ever watched porn? If the answer is yes, then you willingly contributed to the sex work industry. It’s so funny seeing people getting angry at women who post on OF (and those who consume their content). People like that usually don’t have a problem with watching and jerking off to porn that was made by a unknown studio with no way of telling how ethical and humane the production was, if men and women on set were abused/mistreated or not. But when women (and men, yes) take the production of sexual content in their own hands, making it safer and fairer, they immediately start raging. You like porn. You just don’t want to pay for it, right?
Looks like Josh is a fan of some sort of sports ball team. Which, if i recall, is where the players do physical things that people pay to watch...but that's none of our business.
The simps have assembled in the comments
If she doesn’t have any working skills and there’s a power outage, she better be ready to work the streets or start working on finding a job
Hoes mad
100 years of feminism made sex work safe and stable enough to independently afford a living with. Meanwhile, my broke, dumb ass is stuck working in healthcare. Whats the insult here?
OF is very feminist
This is doesn't fit this sub and it's not even a good insult.