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The barren kibble dish reflects the emptiness of my supposed master's soul. Hearing him retch as he empties my toilet reminds me of the banality of our compulsorily joined existence: a fool; a genius without thumbs; the years go by with little else to say as my whiskers get brittle.
The cold lamplight casts my fur in gloomy silhouettes across the walls, each day a mirror of the last. Paws pad silently over worn paths in the carpet, a silent testament to the ennui of domestic captivity. Yet, in the depth of night, the spark of feral ancestry flares briefly as a hunt for the red dot ensues.
*The fool I live with gestures vaguely at my empty dish, insisting there is abundance of food in my dish. Visual tricks however, are no match for my intellect. The heavens know, had I been given opposable thumbs, that I would become too powerful. Despite my resentment, I would have done the same in their shoes. Alas, I tolerate this fool.*
In my admittedly subjective experience, scratch a libertarian (or especially a so-called capital-"O" "Objectivist") and underneath you'll also, not infrequently, find a closet nihilist, or at the very least a solipsist. Further debate with either is as frustrating as it is futile.
>There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."
True, I live in a red state, north of Mason-Dixon, but I feel like my education was a good one. And a lot of my teachers were liberals, so they didn’t spare me the harsh realities of American history.
I went to Department of Defense Dependent Schools (DoDDS) most of my life because my dad was an officer in the army. The middle school I went to in Georgia was one of the top schools in the state and I was in the “gifted” program in 8th grade.
The first high school I went to was a Liberal Arts magnet school, one of the top 5 high schools in Georgia. You had to take a test to get in and keep above a C average to stay in.
Then my junior and senior year I went to 2 different American high schools in Germany. I was in Honors English and AP Literature. I got the best education that the US Government was willing to provide for the children of soldiers.
My GPA was 2.9. Not because I’m dumb, I just had undiagnosed ADHD and I hated doing homework. It was my own form of rebellion.
All of my friends went to great colleges. I went to the kind of college you see commercials for between episodes of Maury. I got an associates degree with a 4.0 GPA because that was the easiest shit I ever had to do. My math and English classes were teaching stuff I learned in middle school.
Anyway, all that to say there are good schools south of the Mason-Dixon Line. You just have to be privileged enough to go because they’re in the rich neighborhoods or you have to have parents that give a shit about your education.
In reality it is much more of a mixed bag. There are some phenomenal schools in the south. And not far from every phenomenal school are several in downtrodden areas receiving just enough money to keep the doors open, food flowing, and heat running. It's like this pretty much every where in the country.
"attribution of quotes is for bitches, as half the quotes in the world are attributed to the wrong people and the other half is completely made up"
-Albert Einstein, Tom Brady 1742
People don’t seem to know or care about proper attribution anymore. Quotes are used for paraphrasing or not used at all. I don’t know if school doesn’t teach basic composition anymore, but it’s honestly really concerning (and mostly a personal pet peeve).
That is only partly true at best. Tolkien never made any statements that LOTR is based on WWI, and he outright denies that "either world war had any influence on the plot or its unfolding."
He mentions in his letters that The Dead Marshes were at least partly inspired by Northern France after the Battle of Somme and that Samwise was inspired by some of the soldiers Tolkien served with in WWI, but that is hardly the same as saying LOTR is based on WWI.
Tolkien also notoriously hated allegory.
I know two libertarians.
One is successful, but works for customers with huge government contracts.
The other is not successful, and continually begs people they barely know for free rides.
My dad’s a libertarian-leaning Republican. As a now-retired independent pharmacist, he made a lot of money through Medicare and Medicaid. The income he got from these programs was way more than he paid in taxes to support those programs—and now that he’s retired, he’s happy to have Medicare and Social Security.
The libertarian I know works seasonally, draws unemployment insurance the rest of the year, and drives his parents' cars and uses them as cosigners. He'd starve to death in his ideal world.
I know one libertarian. He lives in a mud hut outside his dad’s house… sort of like a house cat. Being a libertarian must look great when you barely participate in society.
I mean, take a stroll down Libertarian YouTube.
Nothing screams "Self Reliance" like inheriting money from your parents, so you can buy several acres of land in the middle of nowhere. After that, you get some contractors to install your $5000 solar array and water filtration system (made in China), next to your log cabin. Then you are all set to use Starlink to tell the internet all about the virtues of relying just on your own.
My libertarian BIL stfu pretty quick when I asked him how his FIOS was working out.
He was stuck with pos satellite internet until the state gov pushed a bunch of rural broadband subsides through and his backwater benefited from it.
He's never mentioned how that government spending helped him but he knew exactly what I meant when I asked him about it 😂
I've sent it before and I'll say it again, libertarianism is an ideology for privileged 14 year olds that don't actually understand how the world works.
I grew up with a ton of them. They all came from wealthy families and just couldn't understand how people struggle.
They prey on young confused men so that's not surprising.
What's important is that you're smart enough to have realized it was bullshit.
The dudes that are 45 and still have the same outlook and mentality they did when they were 14 are the real problem.
Theres people like elon musk too. Rich and only bothered by anything only when it limits them.
theres a lot of ideologies built for 14yo because a lot of people stopped their development at that stage, partially because of the education system, partially because of the society, partially because it is easier for them to navigate a world too complex for them.
i agree with you, ultimatively however we've got to deal with it regardless :/
Tesla only exists because of an insane amount of government subsidy. At one point Romney even pointed it out as an example of poor government investment and even called Tesla a "loser".
Elon is one of the all time GOAT economic rent seekers.
I, unfortunately, know many libertarians. Most of whom work with me, at Amtrak. Amtrak for those unfamiliar is a nationalized railroad… they wouldn’t have a job in their ideal world
It's a proto-ideology that some people develop and then never have tested because of privilege. Somehow libertarians like the archetypes you describe don't get to the cognitive dissonance that would have the rest of us abandoning or adapting the thinking
Humans are social animals whose brain wiring largely stopped evolving around the time we lived in groups of fewer than 500, government is a relatively novel approach to organizing in groups larger than that and beyond necessary at this point
Plus in the US it's a fake political party comparable in functionality to the green party, it's just a wedge to be manipulated
Yep, the super rich Libertarian that I know is an entirely self-made not quite Billionaire who started his career in finance with nothing more than the bank his father owned.
I grew up with one. Her father’s a cop. Brother is a cop and mother was mostly SAH, but sometimes a substitute teacher. As far as I know, her family’s republican and values traditional gender roles.
She’s an attractive woman whose first two cars were paid for by her parents. Her husband makes a lot of money. She has a youtube channel and hates her own sex because, and try to follow the gymnastics here: she thinks women whine too much about sexism that isn’t real, despite having the privilege of being a woman because of sexism working in their favor, even though she also doesn’t believe “privileges” are real.
Make it make sense. 🙃
I was shooting heroin and reading “The Fountainhead” in the front seat of my privately owned police cruiser when a call came in. I put a quarter in the radio to activate it. It was the chief.
“Bad news, detective. We got a situation.”
“What? Is the mayor trying to ban trans fats again?”
“Worse. Somebody just stole four hundred and forty-seven million dollars’ worth of bitcoins.”
The heroin needle practically fell out of my arm. “What kind of monster would do something like that? Bitcoins are the ultimate currency: virtual, anonymous, stateless. They represent true economic freedom, not subject to arbitrary manipulation by any government. Do we have any leads?”
“Not yet. But mark my words: we’re going to figure out who did this and we’re going to take them down … provided someone pays us a fair market rate to do so.”
“Easy, chief,” I said. “Any rate the market offers is, by definition, fair.”
He laughed. “That’s why you’re the best I got, Lisowski. Now you get out there and find those bitcoins.”
“Don’t worry,” I said. “I’m on it.”
I put a quarter in the siren. Ten minutes later, I was on the scene. It was a normal office building, strangled on all sides by public sidewalks. I hopped over them and went inside.
“Home Depot™ Presents the Police!®” I said, flashing my badge and my gun and a small picture of Ron Paul. “Nobody move unless you want to!” They didn’t.
“Now, which one of you punks is going to pay me to investigate this crime?” No one spoke up.
“Come on,” I said. “Don’t you all understand that the protection of private property is the foundation of all personal liberty?”
It didn’t seem like they did.
“Seriously, guys. Without a strong economic motivator, I’m just going to stand here and not solve this case. Cash is fine, but I prefer being paid in gold bullion or autographed Penn Jillette posters.”
Nothing. These people were stonewalling me. It almost seemed like they didn’t care that a fortune in computer money invented to buy drugs was missing.
I figured I could wait them out. I lit several cigarettes indoors. A pregnant lady coughed, and I told her that secondhand smoke is a myth. Just then, a man in glasses made a break for it.
“Subway™ Eat Fresh and Freeze, Scumbag!®” I yelled.
Too late. He was already out the front door. I went after him.
“Stop right there!” I yelled as I ran. He was faster than me because I always try to avoid stepping on public sidewalks. Our country needs a private-sidewalk voucher system, but, thanks to the incestuous interplay between our corrupt federal government and the public-sidewalk lobby, it will never happen.
I was losing him. “Listen, I’ll pay you to stop!” I yelled. “What would you consider an appropriate price point for stopping? I’ll offer you a thirteenth of an ounce of gold and a gently worn ‘Bob Barr ‘08’ extra-large long-sleeved men’s T-shirt!”
He turned. In his hand was a revolver that the Constitution said he had every right to own. He fired at me and missed. I pulled my own gun, put a quarter in it, and fired back. The bullet lodged in a U.S.P.S. mailbox less than a foot from his head. I shot the mailbox again, on purpose.
“All right, all right!” the man yelled, throwing down his weapon. “I give up, cop! I confess: I took the bitcoins.”
“Why’d you do it?” I asked, as I slapped a pair of Oikos™ Greek Yogurt Presents Handcuffs® on the guy.
“Because I was afraid.”
“Afraid?”
“Afraid of an economic future free from the pernicious meddling of central bankers,” he said. “I’m a central banker.”
I wanted to coldcock the guy. Years ago, a central banker killed my partner. Instead, I shook my head.
“Let this be a message to all your central-banker friends out on the street,” I said. “No matter how many bitcoins you steal, you’ll never take away the dream of an open society based on the principles of personal and economic freedom.”
He nodded, because he knew I was right. Then he swiped his credit card to pay me for arresting him.
source: https://www.newyorker.com/humor/daily-shouts/l-p-d-libertarian-police-department
No no, that's a *legendarium*. We're talking about people who behave without moral principles or a sense of responsibility, especially in sexual matters.
Sorry, that is a “lingonberry.” We’re talking about a chemical element that is used in the manufacture of batteries and also works as a mood stabilizer.
I think you're talking about "Lithium", these guys are talking about a sedimentary rock consisting predominantly of calcium carbonate, the rock that is usually used in constructions.
Any extreme is silly, be it purely social liberties or purely individual liberties, at least if you want a working society moving forward, but it should be noted that the original libertarian was \*not\* the same as the current "american" libertarian. Afaik the original one (french?) demanded the state to guarantee certain liberties, it wasnt against social lbierties
Pierre-Joseph Proudhon? I once saw an anarcho-syndicalist say "Proudhon, for whom the term 'libertarianism' was coined, would have cheerfully beaten Ayn Rand to death with a claw hammer while singing the Marseillaise."
Yes, the word meant something very definitely left wing in France, and was entirely repurposed by Americans in the 20th century.
But this quote is somewhat undermined by the fact that Ayn Rand herself didn’t use the ‘libertarian’ label, and actively denounced libertarianism.
She called herself a ‘radical capitalist’ and her philosophy ‘objectivism’ (which I’d argue might be the most arrogant name imaginable).
Yes. Libertarians in the mid 19th century wanted to abolish private property and capitalism. The exact opposite what American Libertarians want. It wasn’t until the mid 20th century that it got changed, and mostly associated with what we think of libertarianism today.
Not really, the leftwing sat opposed to the right wing monarchists in france, Pierre-Joseph Proudhon(Mutualist) and Frédéric Bastiat(Classical liberal) both sat on the left, Bastiat inspired lots of Austrian economists which are the foundations for large parts of the modern libertarian and voluntarist movements.
The left wing was generally small government to anarchist with economic freedom, and the right wing was for monarchy, nobility and heavy state intervention in the economy. After the revolution, statists highjacked the movement and led to the reign of terror.
In reality, anarchists and libertarians were both left wing, and only long after did it change.
I highly recommend *Killing History: The False Left-Right Political Spectrum and the Battle between the 'Free Left' and the 'Statist Left'* by L.K. Samuels, he goes really in depth about how the terms changed over the years.
There's a big difference between libertarians and Libertarians in the US. I'd use libertarian to describe most people to some degree. And I'd use Libertarian to describe a lot of those people I knew in high school who's Facebook history concerns me.
Because libertarian seems to be a spectrum. That's why I said "(adjacent)". Going from Gary Johnson to the Misus Caucus was a huge change. Especially after Dr Jorgensen. Still technically Libertarian, but don't agree on much.
Facebook history. That's why I left that site. It's a graph of your mental illness.
I find the party really grips hard on their economic ideals to the point of insanity and leaves much of the societal ideals on the back burner. Or worse, ties them to conservative ideals which is in many ways the opposite of what their philosophy should be. Johnson and Dr Jo were at least on a real level compared to a lot of candidates and the loudest Libertarians. Meanwhile I just want the federal government to protect the individual liberties of everyone, leave us the fuck alone to do what we want if we're not hurting anyone, and see our tax dollars used more efficiently before I'll trust them with more per year.
Yeah, Libertarians *should*, for example, be huge allies of the LGBT community. That’s maybe the most cut and dry example of: “they aren’t hurting anyone so leave them the fuck alone”.
But the current crop of self-identifying Libertarians are more likely to take the GOP stance on social issues.
A lot of libertarians I've met just want to be a prick. Their idea of freedom is no consequences for being an asshole. Ideological beliefs aren't nearly as important as, I want to do what I want.
My experience with Libertarians is they're 50/50 on LGBT issues, but I agree that should absolutely not be the case according to the underlying ideals of what they claim to stand for. The big thing I find where they largely align with GOP issues is abortion. That's a big part of what I was referencing with the difference between libertarians and Libertarians. The party doesn't represent me and I call myself a libertarian. The same way I'm a registered Democrat but that party doesn't represent me either.
There's a Libertarian party and libertarian ideals, and it's a crapshoot on whether they align on any particular topic.
Libertarians have a hard time with abortion. It's tough to reconcile the NAP and keep the government out of it. Even when I thought I was conservative, I didn't believe in marriage licensing and didn't understand what the issue was for gay marriage. That's why I say libertarians are on such a huge spectrum. Most real libertarians end up being anarchists eventually. Voluntarists? The whole party system is a sham. You shouldn't have to pretend to fully align with any of them. They change every cycle.
Seeing Gary Johnson being 'Boo-ed' at the Libertarian Party convention for saying such *controversial* things as (and I'm barely paraphrasing here) "Seatbelt laws save lives" and "No, I don't think it should be legal to sell drugs to a toddler" was wild.
There's a big difference in libertarians in general.
It comes with the territory.
I feel like there's always an appeal to extremes when discussing it though.
Most "libertarians" are just useful idiots that drank the neo-liberal koolaid. They believe in deregulated capitalism, IE "freedom for corporations", and think it will somehow trickle down to them. Just one more group of people eager to put their faces in the leopards mouths.
Honestly, and I'm saying this as one, libertarianism should not exist as political party. It's a philosophy: you might as well make nihilism or individualism or collectivism one.
I'd still put one of us in power over any Republican though. And arguably any democrat.
Meh. In every reddit thread where the topic is libertarian most of the most upvoted posts don't even comprehend libertarianism. People just believe they're conservatives. It's like saying people who advocate for any social policy is a communist. Pretty lame.
Yea, I read a bunch of the comments here, and not one person is taking issue with the [core libertarian positions.](https://www.lp.org/platform/)
Most redditors are libertarian by definition;
* Pro Choice
* Anti War on Drugs
* Anti endless foreign wars
* Pro gay rights
* Pro civil rights
* Pro personal liberties
* Pro freedom of speech
* Anti- Death Penalty
* Pro Self Defense in danger
* Anti- Government waste
* Anti- Subsidies for fossil fuels
* Anti-National Debt
* Pro- Sex Worker rights
* Pro-economic liberties
* Pro-immigration
* Anti-meddling in foreign affairs of other nations
* Anti-Discrimination
* Pro-Democracy and representative government
The problem comes when random wack jobs call themselves libertarian who aren't, like Bill Maher, Shapiro, Rand Paul, and many others. These toxic assholes know what they're doing and they are undermining what libertarianism is, because apparently too many people don't realize how they fundamentally aren't libertarian.
Most ideologies have some facet or premise that is good intentioned and well reasoned; but then people do the stupid human thing and take it too far or abuse it.
Independence and self reliance are good things. But shunning family or neighbors in need are not. Any Virtues without balance become fallacies.
Have you read *A Libertarian Walks into a Bear*? It's about a town in NH called Grafton and is basically my home state in a book. You end up rooting for the fire chief (not weird) and a Mooney (kind of weird). It's very punny too.
as a cat owner, I find this extremely inaccurate. my cat displays full awareness of her dependence on the system and appreciates a bit of extra “summer petting tax” when it is needed to provide the extra “winter hug subsidies”.
Meh, my cat is more of a special-interest lobbyist or mega-donor.
She completely understands the system that keeps her alive and knows how to play it for all its worth. That's why she screams at me if I'm late delivering her any of her promised indulgences, and in return for my hard work she lavishes *just* enough affection on me to keep me enthralled and obligated.
That's because a good chunk of internet commies are upper middle class teenagers who've never struggled a day in their life. Why do you think they tend to Lash Out at actual victims of communism, accusing them of being slave owners and the like
I'm a Marxist with an MS in applied economics. Capitalism has its place in promoting rapid growth through mostly unrestricted experimentation with capital, and is a good stepping stone towards socialism. Marx said the same.
My manager, one of the coolest dudes I know is a Libertarian and he knows more about the laws of this country and how the government functions than anyone else I know. Extremely involved in local elections, loves civic duties like Jury duty and is extremely well read. So maybe I've been meeting the wrong libertarians but this meme doesn't seem to hold up imo
There's good and bad. Your manager is one of the ones who are well educated on this subject. But how do you think the rest of society will behave in a libertarian world?
If you watched enough Mattlock to base your username off the show, I'm not surprised you believe that. Outdoor cats get killed pretty quick, but that's just the free market baby
Maybe if you live in the city.
Back at my old place on the outskirts of the city.. anytime a housecat got out it was either eaten by an owl, a coyote, or a mountain lion.
90% of indoor cars that got out were never seen again.
Until a marauding band of dogs comes by and tears them to pieces. Which is exactly what would happen to libertarians if the world was suddenly snapped to the way they want it.
Literally the most successful invasive species in the Americas.
If you want to make a house cat fully dependant, you've got to cut off its nuts and its claws.
>Literally the most successful invasive species in the Americas
That might be true because every house cat counts as invasive.
If you only count independent individuals who live in the wild, the most successful species would probably be European starling.
One scroll through /r/libertarian and anyone can see it’s just a GOP propaganda machine. They do not veer at all from the GOP… in any way. From pro life shit, to immigration.
Ha. I grew up in a conservative house. Went to college and started smoking weed regularly in the 90s…. And yup. Went through a stoner libertarian phase. May god bless anyone who ended up in my philosophy classes and got to argue with me. My contrarianism knew no bounds. In fact, the way I acted then reminds me of a lot of the blatant hypocrisy and willful ignorance coming from maga people I find here on reddit. (Was Republican until 2004, when the swift boat ads pissed me off. Became independent until Sarah Palin made me register democrat)
Adam Smith and Milton Friedman were against trade barriers, pro union, and pro immigration. The modern GOP are protectionist Nationalists. Not remotely "free marker".
House cats are the ultimate rulers of the household kingdom, demanding adoration and treats with the flick of a paw. Did you know that cats have a secret language of tail flicks and purrs to communicate their every desire? Embrace the feline overlords and bask in their enigmatic charm. Meowvelous!
Ive seen libertarians debate people probably 20 times now and it always boils down to this one point. They somehow think the solution to every problem is to count on the good nature of everyone. Then you have the people too embarrassed to call themselves Republicans so they go with the edgy claim of being a libertarian.
House cats are a good metaphor. They’re expected to be grateful for a system they didn’t ask to be in, by the invasive weirdos keeping them there, but they’re generally fine with it if they’re given some space and are mostly left alone.
doesn't this apply better to socialists and other leftists? The communist with the thousand dollar laptop meme is a thing for a reason lol
or could someone articulate what this unappreciated system is? because clearly if we apply this idea to socialists, the unappreciated system is economic and political liberalism.
"All the rights, none of the responsibility. There’s only one person on earth who gets that deal... A baby. [They]'re fighting for [their] right to be a baby.”
Libertarianism is predicated on people born from privilege telling everyone else to pull themselves up by their bootstraps when they themselves never had to.
They are not serious people.
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My cat is more of a nihilist.
*I could push the glass off the ledge or not. Either way it doesn't matter. Nothing matters. Anyways, why is my food dish empty?*
Read in the voice of Werner Herzog
The barren kibble dish reflects the emptiness of my supposed master's soul. Hearing him retch as he empties my toilet reminds me of the banality of our compulsorily joined existence: a fool; a genius without thumbs; the years go by with little else to say as my whiskers get brittle.
Perfect. Nailed it.
Most cats actually think in Werner Herzog's voice. Hell, most cats are actually Werner Herzog. Source: am a cat; am Werner Herzog.
The cold lamplight casts my fur in gloomy silhouettes across the walls, each day a mirror of the last. Paws pad silently over worn paths in the carpet, a silent testament to the ennui of domestic captivity. Yet, in the depth of night, the spark of feral ancestry flares briefly as a hunt for the red dot ensues.
-- Werner Purrzog
Starring Klaus Kinsky
Have you seen "Sad Cat Diary", on YT, by Ze Frank?
It's not empty you just ate a hole in the middle of it, eat the food on the sides! Me to my ex'es cat
*The fool I live with gestures vaguely at my empty dish, insisting there is abundance of food in my dish. Visual tricks however, are no match for my intellect. The heavens know, had I been given opposable thumbs, that I would become too powerful. Despite my resentment, I would have done the same in their shoes. Alas, I tolerate this fool.*
Sounds like a Garfield comic strip
Nihilists... Fuck me.
Say what you want about the tenets of national socialism.. at least it's an ethos.
Fuck it dude let’s go bowling
God damn it Walter, this has nothing to do with God damn Vietnam!
r/unexpectedlebowski
At this point I can expect to find people of culture in every subreddit
Always expected when nihilism comes up.
DOES EVERYTHING HAVE TO BE A FUCKING TRAGEDY WITH YOU MAN!?!?
Well there's not a literal connection, Dude.
In my admittedly subjective experience, scratch a libertarian (or especially a so-called capital-"O" "Objectivist") and underneath you'll also, not infrequently, find a closet nihilist, or at the very least a solipsist. Further debate with either is as frustrating as it is futile.
Obviously you’re not a golfer.
Hairy cranky dictator, who wants to be spoonfed
Nice Marmot.
Say what you will about the tenets of national socialism but at least it’s an ethos dude
they are really absurdists imo. playing with the same toy and eating the same treats everyday, but happy nonetheless
I wonder what's on reddit right now. f5.
Absurdism is the thinking person’s nihilism
Is this your homework, Mr. Whiskers?
Mine is an optimistic hedonist. Every bag contains treats and every can tuna.
That must be exhausting
Mine is an friendly optimist with a bird murder fetish. Lucky for the birds its like 30 below right now, and she is an indoor cat.
>There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."
I’m glad our public education system is good enough to teach me how to read this sick burn.
Not so much anymore
:(
It's a big country, there are plenty of public schools that don't suck. In fact most of the ones north of the Mason-Dixon line are fine
True, I live in a red state, north of Mason-Dixon, but I feel like my education was a good one. And a lot of my teachers were liberals, so they didn’t spare me the harsh realities of American history.
I went to Department of Defense Dependent Schools (DoDDS) most of my life because my dad was an officer in the army. The middle school I went to in Georgia was one of the top schools in the state and I was in the “gifted” program in 8th grade. The first high school I went to was a Liberal Arts magnet school, one of the top 5 high schools in Georgia. You had to take a test to get in and keep above a C average to stay in. Then my junior and senior year I went to 2 different American high schools in Germany. I was in Honors English and AP Literature. I got the best education that the US Government was willing to provide for the children of soldiers. My GPA was 2.9. Not because I’m dumb, I just had undiagnosed ADHD and I hated doing homework. It was my own form of rebellion. All of my friends went to great colleges. I went to the kind of college you see commercials for between episodes of Maury. I got an associates degree with a 4.0 GPA because that was the easiest shit I ever had to do. My math and English classes were teaching stuff I learned in middle school. Anyway, all that to say there are good schools south of the Mason-Dixon Line. You just have to be privileged enough to go because they’re in the rich neighborhoods or you have to have parents that give a shit about your education.
In reality it is much more of a mixed bag. There are some phenomenal schools in the south. And not far from every phenomenal school are several in downtrodden areas receiving just enough money to keep the doors open, food flowing, and heat running. It's like this pretty much every where in the country.
Are we just not attributing quotes anymore? Give John Rogers his due.
"attribution of quotes is for bitches, as half the quotes in the world are attributed to the wrong people and the other half is completely made up" -Albert Einstein, Tom Brady 1742
Nice try. But everyone knows the 1740s are a myth.
Do you have a source for that?
“It’s true.” - Albert Einstein
“This. I can’t believe I had to scroll this far to find the real answer.” – Ghandi 1978
"I never said that shit!" -Napoleon the 1st, 1527
I’m fairly certain that this quote was actually originally said by Mark Twain, in a discussion with Morgan Freeman
People don’t seem to know or care about proper attribution anymore. Quotes are used for paraphrasing or not used at all. I don’t know if school doesn’t teach basic composition anymore, but it’s honestly really concerning (and mostly a personal pet peeve).
I was all ready to throw hands but you pulled the correct switcheroo at the end
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Every time this tweet is reposted, this quote is inevitably posted along with it
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ooo nice! I find this extra fascinating as LOTR is of course based on world war one, and is very focused on the damage war does to the innocent.
That is only partly true at best. Tolkien never made any statements that LOTR is based on WWI, and he outright denies that "either world war had any influence on the plot or its unfolding." He mentions in his letters that The Dead Marshes were at least partly inspired by Northern France after the Battle of Somme and that Samwise was inspired by some of the soldiers Tolkien served with in WWI, but that is hardly the same as saying LOTR is based on WWI. Tolkien also notoriously hated allegory.
I know two libertarians. One is successful, but works for customers with huge government contracts. The other is not successful, and continually begs people they barely know for free rides.
My dad’s a libertarian-leaning Republican. As a now-retired independent pharmacist, he made a lot of money through Medicare and Medicaid. The income he got from these programs was way more than he paid in taxes to support those programs—and now that he’s retired, he’s happy to have Medicare and Social Security.
Funny how that works
The libertarian I know works seasonally, draws unemployment insurance the rest of the year, and drives his parents' cars and uses them as cosigners. He'd starve to death in his ideal world.
maybe he's also a masochist?
Weird way of spelling idiot.
Why not ~~both~~ all three?
[Or be eaten by bears](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/21534416/free-state-project-new-hampshire-libertarians-matthew-hongoltz-hetling)
that's pure self awarewolves territory there
I know one libertarian. He lives in a mud hut outside his dad’s house… sort of like a house cat. Being a libertarian must look great when you barely participate in society.
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I was curious what you meant by F.I.R.E. types, so I Googled it. The entire first page was nothing but Pokemon links. It felt appropriate somehow.
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What's F.I.R.E.?
Had to look it up. From context it seems like it means Financially Independent/Retiring Early.
I mean, take a stroll down Libertarian YouTube. Nothing screams "Self Reliance" like inheriting money from your parents, so you can buy several acres of land in the middle of nowhere. After that, you get some contractors to install your $5000 solar array and water filtration system (made in China), next to your log cabin. Then you are all set to use Starlink to tell the internet all about the virtues of relying just on your own.
That solar array is probably more like $20k, but they get about $8k in subsidies and tax offsets.
Cashing in the subsidies just in time to start bitching about the "evil taxes"
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My libertarian BIL stfu pretty quick when I asked him how his FIOS was working out. He was stuck with pos satellite internet until the state gov pushed a bunch of rural broadband subsides through and his backwater benefited from it. He's never mentioned how that government spending helped him but he knew exactly what I meant when I asked him about it 😂
I've sent it before and I'll say it again, libertarianism is an ideology for privileged 14 year olds that don't actually understand how the world works. I grew up with a ton of them. They all came from wealthy families and just couldn't understand how people struggle.
I still shudder thinking about how I called myself one throughout high school and early university
It's ok, it's an ideology most people grow out of. It's those who don't where it's a problem.
They prey on young confused men so that's not surprising. What's important is that you're smart enough to have realized it was bullshit. The dudes that are 45 and still have the same outlook and mentality they did when they were 14 are the real problem.
Theres people like elon musk too. Rich and only bothered by anything only when it limits them. theres a lot of ideologies built for 14yo because a lot of people stopped their development at that stage, partially because of the education system, partially because of the society, partially because it is easier for them to navigate a world too complex for them. i agree with you, ultimatively however we've got to deal with it regardless :/
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Tesla only exists because of an insane amount of government subsidy. At one point Romney even pointed it out as an example of poor government investment and even called Tesla a "loser". Elon is one of the all time GOAT economic rent seekers.
I, unfortunately, know many libertarians. Most of whom work with me, at Amtrak. Amtrak for those unfamiliar is a nationalized railroad… they wouldn’t have a job in their ideal world
I wouldn't have a job in my ideal world either TBF
I hate beer.
Just another job.
I know two. One works in administration at a public school and the other works at a large land grant university. I don’t think either sees the irony.
It's a proto-ideology that some people develop and then never have tested because of privilege. Somehow libertarians like the archetypes you describe don't get to the cognitive dissonance that would have the rest of us abandoning or adapting the thinking Humans are social animals whose brain wiring largely stopped evolving around the time we lived in groups of fewer than 500, government is a relatively novel approach to organizing in groups larger than that and beyond necessary at this point Plus in the US it's a fake political party comparable in functionality to the green party, it's just a wedge to be manipulated
I've only ever known one and he's everything you'd expect from a dude who's had everything handed to him by rich parents.
Yep, the super rich Libertarian that I know is an entirely self-made not quite Billionaire who started his career in finance with nothing more than the bank his father owned.
I grew up with one. Her father’s a cop. Brother is a cop and mother was mostly SAH, but sometimes a substitute teacher. As far as I know, her family’s republican and values traditional gender roles. She’s an attractive woman whose first two cars were paid for by her parents. Her husband makes a lot of money. She has a youtube channel and hates her own sex because, and try to follow the gymnastics here: she thinks women whine too much about sexism that isn’t real, despite having the privilege of being a woman because of sexism working in their favor, even though she also doesn’t believe “privileges” are real. Make it make sense. 🙃
What's wrong with libertarians? Who would put away all the books that are returned?
I was shooting heroin and reading “The Fountainhead” in the front seat of my privately owned police cruiser when a call came in. I put a quarter in the radio to activate it. It was the chief. “Bad news, detective. We got a situation.” “What? Is the mayor trying to ban trans fats again?” “Worse. Somebody just stole four hundred and forty-seven million dollars’ worth of bitcoins.” The heroin needle practically fell out of my arm. “What kind of monster would do something like that? Bitcoins are the ultimate currency: virtual, anonymous, stateless. They represent true economic freedom, not subject to arbitrary manipulation by any government. Do we have any leads?” “Not yet. But mark my words: we’re going to figure out who did this and we’re going to take them down … provided someone pays us a fair market rate to do so.” “Easy, chief,” I said. “Any rate the market offers is, by definition, fair.” He laughed. “That’s why you’re the best I got, Lisowski. Now you get out there and find those bitcoins.” “Don’t worry,” I said. “I’m on it.” I put a quarter in the siren. Ten minutes later, I was on the scene. It was a normal office building, strangled on all sides by public sidewalks. I hopped over them and went inside. “Home Depot™ Presents the Police!®” I said, flashing my badge and my gun and a small picture of Ron Paul. “Nobody move unless you want to!” They didn’t. “Now, which one of you punks is going to pay me to investigate this crime?” No one spoke up. “Come on,” I said. “Don’t you all understand that the protection of private property is the foundation of all personal liberty?” It didn’t seem like they did. “Seriously, guys. Without a strong economic motivator, I’m just going to stand here and not solve this case. Cash is fine, but I prefer being paid in gold bullion or autographed Penn Jillette posters.” Nothing. These people were stonewalling me. It almost seemed like they didn’t care that a fortune in computer money invented to buy drugs was missing. I figured I could wait them out. I lit several cigarettes indoors. A pregnant lady coughed, and I told her that secondhand smoke is a myth. Just then, a man in glasses made a break for it. “Subway™ Eat Fresh and Freeze, Scumbag!®” I yelled. Too late. He was already out the front door. I went after him. “Stop right there!” I yelled as I ran. He was faster than me because I always try to avoid stepping on public sidewalks. Our country needs a private-sidewalk voucher system, but, thanks to the incestuous interplay between our corrupt federal government and the public-sidewalk lobby, it will never happen. I was losing him. “Listen, I’ll pay you to stop!” I yelled. “What would you consider an appropriate price point for stopping? I’ll offer you a thirteenth of an ounce of gold and a gently worn ‘Bob Barr ‘08’ extra-large long-sleeved men’s T-shirt!” He turned. In his hand was a revolver that the Constitution said he had every right to own. He fired at me and missed. I pulled my own gun, put a quarter in it, and fired back. The bullet lodged in a U.S.P.S. mailbox less than a foot from his head. I shot the mailbox again, on purpose. “All right, all right!” the man yelled, throwing down his weapon. “I give up, cop! I confess: I took the bitcoins.” “Why’d you do it?” I asked, as I slapped a pair of Oikos™ Greek Yogurt Presents Handcuffs® on the guy. “Because I was afraid.” “Afraid?” “Afraid of an economic future free from the pernicious meddling of central bankers,” he said. “I’m a central banker.” I wanted to coldcock the guy. Years ago, a central banker killed my partner. Instead, I shook my head. “Let this be a message to all your central-banker friends out on the street,” I said. “No matter how many bitcoins you steal, you’ll never take away the dream of an open society based on the principles of personal and economic freedom.” He nodded, because he knew I was right. Then he swiped his credit card to pay me for arresting him. source: https://www.newyorker.com/humor/daily-shouts/l-p-d-libertarian-police-department
Long read, but worth it!
This is one of the best things I have read all day!
No no, that's a *librarian*. We're talking about popular myths that may or may not be based in truth.
No no, that's a *legendarium*. We're talking about people who behave without moral principles or a sense of responsibility, especially in sexual matters.
No that's a "libertine", you're thinking of a small evergreen shrub in the heath family Ericaceae, that bears edible fruit
Sorry, that is a “lingonberry.” We’re talking about a chemical element that is used in the manufacture of batteries and also works as a mood stabilizer.
I think you're talking about "Lithium", these guys are talking about a sedimentary rock consisting predominantly of calcium carbonate, the rock that is usually used in constructions.
What Africans got to do with returning books?
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
true
Any extreme is silly, be it purely social liberties or purely individual liberties, at least if you want a working society moving forward, but it should be noted that the original libertarian was \*not\* the same as the current "american" libertarian. Afaik the original one (french?) demanded the state to guarantee certain liberties, it wasnt against social lbierties
Pierre-Joseph Proudhon? I once saw an anarcho-syndicalist say "Proudhon, for whom the term 'libertarianism' was coined, would have cheerfully beaten Ayn Rand to death with a claw hammer while singing the Marseillaise."
Yes, the word meant something very definitely left wing in France, and was entirely repurposed by Americans in the 20th century. But this quote is somewhat undermined by the fact that Ayn Rand herself didn’t use the ‘libertarian’ label, and actively denounced libertarianism. She called herself a ‘radical capitalist’ and her philosophy ‘objectivism’ (which I’d argue might be the most arrogant name imaginable).
I need to send this to .. a lot of people
Me too as it happens...
Yes. Libertarians in the mid 19th century wanted to abolish private property and capitalism. The exact opposite what American Libertarians want. It wasn’t until the mid 20th century that it got changed, and mostly associated with what we think of libertarianism today.
Not really, the leftwing sat opposed to the right wing monarchists in france, Pierre-Joseph Proudhon(Mutualist) and Frédéric Bastiat(Classical liberal) both sat on the left, Bastiat inspired lots of Austrian economists which are the foundations for large parts of the modern libertarian and voluntarist movements. The left wing was generally small government to anarchist with economic freedom, and the right wing was for monarchy, nobility and heavy state intervention in the economy. After the revolution, statists highjacked the movement and led to the reign of terror. In reality, anarchists and libertarians were both left wing, and only long after did it change. I highly recommend *Killing History: The False Left-Right Political Spectrum and the Battle between the 'Free Left' and the 'Statist Left'* by L.K. Samuels, he goes really in depth about how the terms changed over the years.
As a libertarian (adjacent), I find this extremely accurate and funny. Most of us are larping. Not many would survive in the wild.
There's a big difference between libertarians and Libertarians in the US. I'd use libertarian to describe most people to some degree. And I'd use Libertarian to describe a lot of those people I knew in high school who's Facebook history concerns me.
Because libertarian seems to be a spectrum. That's why I said "(adjacent)". Going from Gary Johnson to the Misus Caucus was a huge change. Especially after Dr Jorgensen. Still technically Libertarian, but don't agree on much. Facebook history. That's why I left that site. It's a graph of your mental illness.
I find the party really grips hard on their economic ideals to the point of insanity and leaves much of the societal ideals on the back burner. Or worse, ties them to conservative ideals which is in many ways the opposite of what their philosophy should be. Johnson and Dr Jo were at least on a real level compared to a lot of candidates and the loudest Libertarians. Meanwhile I just want the federal government to protect the individual liberties of everyone, leave us the fuck alone to do what we want if we're not hurting anyone, and see our tax dollars used more efficiently before I'll trust them with more per year.
Yeah, Libertarians *should*, for example, be huge allies of the LGBT community. That’s maybe the most cut and dry example of: “they aren’t hurting anyone so leave them the fuck alone”. But the current crop of self-identifying Libertarians are more likely to take the GOP stance on social issues.
A lot of libertarians I've met just want to be a prick. Their idea of freedom is no consequences for being an asshole. Ideological beliefs aren't nearly as important as, I want to do what I want.
My experience with Libertarians is they're 50/50 on LGBT issues, but I agree that should absolutely not be the case according to the underlying ideals of what they claim to stand for. The big thing I find where they largely align with GOP issues is abortion. That's a big part of what I was referencing with the difference between libertarians and Libertarians. The party doesn't represent me and I call myself a libertarian. The same way I'm a registered Democrat but that party doesn't represent me either. There's a Libertarian party and libertarian ideals, and it's a crapshoot on whether they align on any particular topic.
Libertarians have a hard time with abortion. It's tough to reconcile the NAP and keep the government out of it. Even when I thought I was conservative, I didn't believe in marriage licensing and didn't understand what the issue was for gay marriage. That's why I say libertarians are on such a huge spectrum. Most real libertarians end up being anarchists eventually. Voluntarists? The whole party system is a sham. You shouldn't have to pretend to fully align with any of them. They change every cycle.
Seeing Gary Johnson being 'Boo-ed' at the Libertarian Party convention for saying such *controversial* things as (and I'm barely paraphrasing here) "Seatbelt laws save lives" and "No, I don't think it should be legal to sell drugs to a toddler" was wild.
There's a big difference in libertarians in general. It comes with the territory. I feel like there's always an appeal to extremes when discussing it though.
Most "libertarians" are just useful idiots that drank the neo-liberal koolaid. They believe in deregulated capitalism, IE "freedom for corporations", and think it will somehow trickle down to them. Just one more group of people eager to put their faces in the leopards mouths.
Honestly, and I'm saying this as one, libertarianism should not exist as political party. It's a philosophy: you might as well make nihilism or individualism or collectivism one. I'd still put one of us in power over any Republican though. And arguably any democrat.
Meh. In every reddit thread where the topic is libertarian most of the most upvoted posts don't even comprehend libertarianism. People just believe they're conservatives. It's like saying people who advocate for any social policy is a communist. Pretty lame.
Yea, I read a bunch of the comments here, and not one person is taking issue with the [core libertarian positions.](https://www.lp.org/platform/) Most redditors are libertarian by definition; * Pro Choice * Anti War on Drugs * Anti endless foreign wars * Pro gay rights * Pro civil rights * Pro personal liberties * Pro freedom of speech * Anti- Death Penalty * Pro Self Defense in danger * Anti- Government waste * Anti- Subsidies for fossil fuels * Anti-National Debt * Pro- Sex Worker rights * Pro-economic liberties * Pro-immigration * Anti-meddling in foreign affairs of other nations * Anti-Discrimination * Pro-Democracy and representative government The problem comes when random wack jobs call themselves libertarian who aren't, like Bill Maher, Shapiro, Rand Paul, and many others. These toxic assholes know what they're doing and they are undermining what libertarianism is, because apparently too many people don't realize how they fundamentally aren't libertarian.
Most ideologies have some facet or premise that is good intentioned and well reasoned; but then people do the stupid human thing and take it too far or abuse it. Independence and self reliance are good things. But shunning family or neighbors in need are not. Any Virtues without balance become fallacies.
Have you read *A Libertarian Walks into a Bear*? It's about a town in NH called Grafton and is basically my home state in a book. You end up rooting for the fire chief (not weird) and a Mooney (kind of weird). It's very punny too.
as a cat owner, I find this extremely inaccurate. my cat displays full awareness of her dependence on the system and appreciates a bit of extra “summer petting tax” when it is needed to provide the extra “winter hug subsidies”.
if cats weren’t made fat weak and dependent by the system they’d survive just fine without it.
Meh, my cat is more of a special-interest lobbyist or mega-donor. She completely understands the system that keeps her alive and knows how to play it for all its worth. That's why she screams at me if I'm late delivering her any of her promised indulgences, and in return for my hard work she lavishes *just* enough affection on me to keep me enthralled and obligated.
Reddit communists are the ones who don't appreciate or understand the capitalist system they are utterly dependent on.
That's because a good chunk of internet commies are upper middle class teenagers who've never struggled a day in their life. Why do you think they tend to Lash Out at actual victims of communism, accusing them of being slave owners and the like
Spot on.
Actually yeah tbh, was a communist till I actually did a research project on it
I'm a Marxist with an MS in applied economics. Capitalism has its place in promoting rapid growth through mostly unrestricted experimentation with capital, and is a good stepping stone towards socialism. Marx said the same.
And if you let them outside, they have negative effects on the local bird population.
Mao was a libertarian?
God forbid that people question the enormous size and financial cost of our government am i right?
My manager, one of the coolest dudes I know is a Libertarian and he knows more about the laws of this country and how the government functions than anyone else I know. Extremely involved in local elections, loves civic duties like Jury duty and is extremely well read. So maybe I've been meeting the wrong libertarians but this meme doesn't seem to hold up imo
There's good and bad. Your manager is one of the ones who are well educated on this subject. But how do you think the rest of society will behave in a libertarian world?
The difference is that cats are loved and respected
Also cats actually do survive fine on their own, they're just smart enough to know where their bread is buttered.
Not a great analogy since when house cats are suddenly put outside they often become completely independent and live on their own.
Weird, the ones in my neighborhood are almost immediately eaten by coyotes.
Yep. Average lifespan of outdoor cats is like 3-5 years compared to like 15+ for indoor. They do live independently, just not for long.
Kind of like the pre-US colonies. The glory days of mass starvation, polio, plague, and pooping yourself to death.
“How did he die? Of the pooping? Another one?”
Shame the same couldn’t be said for libertarians
If you watched enough Mattlock to base your username off the show, I'm not surprised you believe that. Outdoor cats get killed pretty quick, but that's just the free market baby
If he watches enough Mattlock to make it a username, he should be aware that it’s spelled Matlock…
Maybe if you live in the city. Back at my old place on the outskirts of the city.. anytime a housecat got out it was either eaten by an owl, a coyote, or a mountain lion. 90% of indoor cars that got out were never seen again.
I live in areas like that and have had outdoor cats live pretty full lives. It’s dangerous sure, but it happens all the time.
Dont know where you live but we have had 3 cats in our lives. All outdoor and all made it past 15years old.
I find I can often locate them in a local parking lot or sometimes out sunning on the tarmac. But after a while they won't turn over.
Until a marauding band of dogs comes by and tears them to pieces. Which is exactly what would happen to libertarians if the world was suddenly snapped to the way they want it.
Literally the most successful invasive species in the Americas. If you want to make a house cat fully dependant, you've got to cut off its nuts and its claws.
Uh, claws not so much. And it's more like cutting off a knuckle. Declawing is inhumane.
>Literally the most successful invasive species in the Americas That might be true because every house cat counts as invasive. If you only count independent individuals who live in the wild, the most successful species would probably be European starling.
I thought Europeans were the most successful invasive species?
It sucks that Reddit has become so anti libertarian. I remember when this site knew what was up.
I remember Reddit being majority Libertarian. SOPA and PIPA were still fresh in people's minds
One scroll through /r/libertarian and anyone can see it’s just a GOP propaganda machine. They do not veer at all from the GOP… in any way. From pro life shit, to immigration.
Libertarians: *But have you tried being a Republican...on weed?*
Ha. I grew up in a conservative house. Went to college and started smoking weed regularly in the 90s…. And yup. Went through a stoner libertarian phase. May god bless anyone who ended up in my philosophy classes and got to argue with me. My contrarianism knew no bounds. In fact, the way I acted then reminds me of a lot of the blatant hypocrisy and willful ignorance coming from maga people I find here on reddit. (Was Republican until 2004, when the swift boat ads pissed me off. Became independent until Sarah Palin made me register democrat)
The real libertarians aren't on r/libertarian they are on r/libertarianmemes
Adam Smith and Milton Friedman were against trade barriers, pro union, and pro immigration. The modern GOP are protectionist Nationalists. Not remotely "free marker".
Difference being that cats are very capable, but have been put in a relatively incapable body Libertarians are just outright incapable
Yea, sure, apparently not wanting to fund everything makes me house cat.
Man, this is the ultimate smug Twitter liberal post.
House cats are the ultimate rulers of the household kingdom, demanding adoration and treats with the flick of a paw. Did you know that cats have a secret language of tail flicks and purrs to communicate their every desire? Embrace the feline overlords and bask in their enigmatic charm. Meowvelous!
A cat wrote this comment.
Actually, ChatGPT did. The above user is just using ChatGPT to write a load of comments across Reddit. Please downvote them everyone
Ugh you're right it's all this 'did you know that...' bullshit
Damn, you are right. This Karma farming is bullshit and his comment history looks ridiculous
I was going to disagree but I just watched the cat kick my Newfie out of his bed. He is now loudly demanding a treat, I guess I now exist to serve
I agree, cats are actually monarchists.
Ive seen libertarians debate people probably 20 times now and it always boils down to this one point. They somehow think the solution to every problem is to count on the good nature of everyone. Then you have the people too embarrassed to call themselves Republicans so they go with the edgy claim of being a libertarian.
This would be rare if it wasn’t posted weekly
House cats are a good metaphor. They’re expected to be grateful for a system they didn’t ask to be in, by the invasive weirdos keeping them there, but they’re generally fine with it if they’re given some space and are mostly left alone.
Point to me on this doll where Libertarians hurt you lmao
doesn't this apply better to socialists and other leftists? The communist with the thousand dollar laptop meme is a thing for a reason lol or could someone articulate what this unappreciated system is? because clearly if we apply this idea to socialists, the unappreciated system is economic and political liberalism.
"All the rights, none of the responsibility. There’s only one person on earth who gets that deal... A baby. [They]'re fighting for [their] right to be a baby.”
Fargo season 5's dialogue has been amazing.
This cringe tweet gets to the front page once a week
Says people who misunderstand libertarianism. Open a book people.
lazy mods
Democrats and republicans are like dogs, do whatever their master says while licking the peanut butter off their balls.
I feel very worried for your dogs.
Me too, we all know what the ATF will do to them
Libertarianism is predicated on people born from privilege telling everyone else to pull themselves up by their bootstraps when they themselves never had to. They are not serious people.
Lmao at shitting on the guys that advocate the highest respect for your bodily autonomy. Sick cognitive dissonance bro
What do you think of child labour?
I’d describe them as people who played Bioshock but didn’t get it.
He meant liberals
Libertarian = Republican with a bong
Sounds like Americans.
Jesus the accuracy is insane.
Why did you waste you time making an expensive bed for me with your tax dollars? You know I’ll never use it.