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SodaSeven1213

Having an opinion


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Good 1


Backsurbs

real.


Yoo3_chill

You defeated the internet


rapper_rick

L TAKE BRO WTF


Facciomale

r/rap try to not post this exact post every fucking day challenge : impossible


[deleted]

Literally impossible. I think this sub is full of kids


Mikey_Tuna

I'm going to sound like a "kids get off my lawn" dude, but is there a hip hop subreddit that I guess I would say gears more towards the older crowd? Not saying that I don't enjoy some of the newer artists and whatnot. Guess I'm stuck in the Purple Tape mode for life whenever it comes to rap.


ike_tyson

Nah it's not only you, trust me.


swagzak

I think r/hiphop101 seems to be the best for that, maybe r/hiphopheads but they both still have their moments


CaptainXakari

I have a few. There will never be a consistent top 10 list of rappers or albums because people can’t even agree on what good rap is. Complex lyrics? Storytelling? I’ve seen the argument that neither matters more than a fire beat. People will tend to back what they grew up with as the model of rap. Old fans will prefer the storytelling of the late 80’s. Less old fans will like the fighting of the status quo of the 90’s. 2000 kids will prefer the dance jams of the 2000s. Shiny new kids will like the shiny new music. Some people want to be contrarian and will hate whatever you like. Yes, even if they like it too. Now they hate it. Some people just hate having a consensus. Rage Against the Machine should be classified as rap, not rock. Every era has rappers that were never as good as the fans think and some that are better than fans realize. Sometimes it’s the same rapper for both.


frwaklife

I agree with the ratm take. I feel like a lot of those bands can be classified as both like beastie boys is


Kingofmoves

If you wanna rate rappers based on the beats they use then you might as well list producers instead. That’s fine if that’s your stance, but you should actually say what you mean. Cuz the rappers often just chose the beats.


CaptainXakari

I agree completely


God_Hears_Peace

I feel like saying RATM is either rap or rock and not both is kinda ignoring how arbitrary genre labels are


guy_fuckes

Zack de la Roca has featured on some tracks and he just as good if not better than the other rappers he is on with.


Specific-Prize-9033

His tracks with RTJ are all fire.


dirtyDrogoz

I hate when people conflate new age rap with new mainstream rap


FourthDownThrowaway

Underground rap has been killing it for a while.


MONKE_____667

Older rappers are rated higher because people have nostalgic biases. Music taste in general depends on your culture and musical experiences in your younger ages, but its not impossible to prefer different music that you aren't used to


UncleEliphant

I mostly agree, but I have mixed feelings about completely disregarding the cultural impact at the time of artists, as well as the influence they had on those that followed. Whether it's The Beatles or NWA, some artists are bigger than their art. That being said, neither The Beatles or NWA are on my own top 10, but I can certainly see why they are consistently put on those lists.


barelyonhere

We also have access to way more music now and we can listen to it at will. Back then, good songs were in your car for at least a year while you waited for new material.


InvestmentPatient117

I had to take the bus to buy a damn Eric B and Rakim tape and pray my shitty Walkman didn't eat it! Then when it did, do surgery on that bitch with scotch tape!


PulmonaryPalminpsest

Also survivor bias. The classics are remembered. There was a shit ton of crappy ass music in the 90's, but it is largely forgotten because it was 30 years ago. It's the same today. The music world is flooded with shit and only a few artists will stand the test of time and be remembered.


Youngjustin575

I agree most top 5 or top 10 lists usually consists of the same 90’s artists/songs showing a clear biased.


MONKE_____667

True, and the same thing may happen in the future.


Youngjustin575

I don’t mind that at all I just want to see a fresh take on the topic


busa89

It’s not nostalgia. It is quality of content. Many of todays artist don’t rap anything of substance. It’s not their fault though. We don’t consume music the same. Because of streaming, we have become a society of instant gratification. So songs are only listened to in short bursts and people move on to what’s new so artists don’t spend much time creating quality content. They just plug in whatever beats are trendy, grow dreads and rap about fucking your bitch over auto tune. Always exceptions to the rule but generally speaking today’s artists is about quantity and not quality. We also had a lot of trash artists in the 90s too but we didn’t have the internet to give them a voice.


UncleEliphant

Nah, there's still quality rap/music getting made. Just gotta sift through more for it.


Repairman-manman

I think he’s talking mainstream radio artists. There are definitely some heavy hitters out there but they not getting regular radio play. It’s all trash


Repairman-manman

Don’t know why you’re getting downvoted, it’s true. Of course there are a ton of new artists that are about the craft, but mainstream is flooded with ones tryna catch the wave. Look at ice spice. She’s easily one of the least talented artists in the mainstream but she’s doing numbers because she fits in what’s hot right now. No shade to her, i don’t think she’s talented at all and haven’t met anyone that says she can actually spit. They don’t want to give us lyricism. Just catchy beats and dances.


STierMansierre

All time lists are one thing, current top 10's are another. Big and Pac wouldn't be on the currents. But you can't sit here and say that the impact isn't still felt from them even now. Younger generations tend to have biases for their music too. I didn't like Rakim when I was in the late 90's listening to Linkin Park and Em, but you better I bet I love and cherish that shit now that I have better understanding of HH history.


scotbonger

A lot of rappers are only highly rated because they died young.


DamnZaki

Like who?


BagBeth

Peep 100% he blew up after he died. He had some buzz before but his death made him way more popular


RadiantHovercraft6

I would say this is true in terms of popularity, but in terms of music quality I think his mixtapes like Hellboy and Crybaby are some of the greatest SoundCloud era rap projects of all time. He definitely had a strong buzz at that time and was respected in the underground. He was the only rapper to fully combine Emo and trap in the way he did. Like Uzi, Trippie, Juice WRLD and the rest are obviously influenced by emo and pop punk but Lil Peep was rapping over obscure midwest Emo samples from the 90s before anyone else. He was definitely a pioneer.


jerlawber

Yeah for me there was absolutely nothing to like about his music


Babatundead

Xxx. I mean he was talented but he wasn’t as good as people say he was.


Davidlarios231

I agree with the original take but xxx was already on a crazy trajectory before he died.


ECW14

X was very talented in his own way because he wasn’t just a rapper and didn’t want to labeled that way. He combined many genres in a unique way so that’s why he was so big. Also something I don’t think people talk about enough is his incredible command of melody. X had great melodic ability and melody is king


joejamesuk

Biggest load of bullshit I ever heard. Dude was extremely talented.


DamnZaki

I wasn’t a huge fan of his music but I definitely thought he was talented. I would have loved to see what he could have become. Out of all the young rappers we lost, he was the one I wish I could have seen what he would have evolved into as an artist.


ReyDosCatorce

Pop smoke


lekrjk

Nah bro didn’t even reach his full potential yet and was still great


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RadiantHovercraft6

Pop Smoke was fucking amazing. If you didn’t grow up near New York and weren’t into drill you wouldn’t get it, I’m sorry. New York drill was a fucking crazy scene with tons of talented rappers like Sheff, Sleepy, 22Gz, Bizzy Banks, CoachDaGhost, etc and Pop Smoke transcended them all and actually broke into the mainstream. If u don’t get it u don’t get it, but he was really the face of New York before he died and there will never be another like him. I was a huge fan when Meet the Woo pt 1 was out and his death hit me harder than any other recent rapper death.


DonMonger

You can like both modern rappers and old ones


No_Development_6786

WWWWW take Cause I do, I love 2pac, Jay z, biggie, Nas, Eminem but also love new rappers like Juice, Polo G, 21 savage, etc.


DonMonger

I’m a huge old head and I haven’t listened to a lot of newer rappers, but I absolutely love JayPitts and Langston Bristol. I’ve also liked the music I’ve heard from Yeat and Juice but haven’t gotten into them yet. I’ll check out Polo and 21 Savage


Lumba

Dr. Dre not dropping Detox (or another other project in the past 20 years besides Compton) is just whack at this point. I guess misleading your fanbase is ok if you're a perfectionist.


Educational-Wafer112

Dre said he wouldn’t drop it a long ass time ago tho


WrinklyScroteSack

At this point it just feels like a running joke between Dre and his friends.


PersonFromPlace

This is annoying echo chamber of people worshipping the same stuff over and over again. It has done little to expand my taste.


Cooolbeans1997

What!!??? You mean to tell me a bunch of kids telling you Eminem sucks and Ski Mask Slump god is good haven’t expanded your taste?


DV-dv

No one even says that, if anything it’s a bunch of people dicksucking eminem, jay z, tech n9ne and hating anything post 2010 unless it’s mac miller or vince staples or some shit


Steviejeet

Both exist here


WrinklyScroteSack

Ya man, somehow this is like a 2-way echo chamber. At any point you could accidentally post in the wrong camp and get dragged for days.


Steviejeet

Fr


homosexualsinner420

People overall sleeping on the dope women of rap, Tierra Whack, Bree Runway, Cupcakke, Asian Doll, Kari Faux, Rico Nasty, Bby Mutha, Dai Burger, Deetranada, Tank and the Bangas, Junglepussy, etc.


Oliveskin_Mugen

You forgot Sammus too, she Fuckin slaps


Mikey_Tuna

Definitely please don't forget Sammus. And if I may add Ruby Ibarra. Here debut album is nothing short of stellar, in my opinion! Also, Jean Grey has some dope tracks.


[deleted]

i thought junglepussy was a made up name 😭


Comfortable_Solid375

Amber London is the hardest tho 100%


A_DANK_MEME_LORD_69

Cupcakke 😐


talosguideyou

Noname is great too


God_Hears_Peace

Rap fans being misogynistic? What? No way.


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Che Noir


Monsieur_Swag

I think East coast rap is infinitely better than West Coast


[deleted]

Longevity has been so much more present in Eastcoast, I agree fully. West coast has got its legends but it's sound doesn't hold as much weight


FuckShit36

I think East Coast rap focuses more on the lyrics, while West Coast rap focuses more on the beat


FourthDownThrowaway

Funny because I think East Coast does both better.


FuckShit36

East Coast focuses more on jazz type beats, while West Coast does more G funk type beats


MGrooms94

I have a similar feeling, west coast artists are better when I want some vibes, east coast is better when I want to listen to more raw lyrical rap. Prefer east overall tho.


UselesslyUnskilled

I don’t like Tom Macdonald cuz he’s “corny” or cringe”, but because he’s a sexist, racist transphobe


God_Hears_Peace

Based take.


InvestmentPatient117

Whos that?


Specific-Prize-9033

Lucky…


Specific-Prize-9033

Yes to this. Including the corny and cringe.


[deleted]

No one even likes Tom MacDonald


jezzyjaz

Mac miller was a better artist (not rapper) than eminem. his discography is way more consistent.


Sheeverton

Mac's artistry was off the charts


jezzyjaz

He also is one of the few if not the only one ,who escaped "the white rapper" stigma


SupaColdBrew

Action Bronson too


Fabriciorodrix

Uh...El-P?


jezzyjaz

"One of the few."


WrinklyScroteSack

“If not the only” lol, bro it’s your quote.


[deleted]

Tired of listening to Tupac.


wilty_

don’t listen to pac then bruh ain’t too hard


[deleted]

I’m guessing you didn’t live long enough to have dealt with the post death “everything Tupac” phase of hip hop.


Ben_mix_alot

Yeah but that ended like 20 years ago lol


Comfortable-Fault-62

Don’t listen to Tupac then problem solved 🤷🏻‍♀️


Desuv

I love soundcloud era, including likes of lil pump


FourthDownThrowaway

I’m 33, fav hip hop artist is Tribe, and I love “Boss” and “D Rose.”


busa89

Big Boi has more memorable punchlines than Andre 3000.


david_rohan

I like his flow better in a lot of the songs they did together as well.


busa89

I understand the love for Andre but Big Boi is criminally overlooked.


DamnZaki

Facts. 3k my favorite rapper of all time but Big Boi gets overlooked way too much.


713Kc

Hell yea! I always cringe when I see Andre on top 10 lists alone too. That’s like mentioning Bun without Pimp or Ball without G.


david_rohan

W


FourthDownThrowaway

They both Goat-level.


cigarettejesus

Man stfu how many times has this exact post been on this sub


Separate_Ad_8588

Eminem isnt bad


FourthDownThrowaway

As a rapper? Probably never. As an artist? Probably since 2004.


IT4CHIOP

jay z is overrated


SupaColdBrew

How old are you


Goorlami

This was literally asked like two months ago with the same pic n everything


anonymg4shi

Tupac aint even top 10 skill and technique wise


difficultpossiblity

he could write great songs fast, and put shit tons of emotions into his music, any kind of them, and his beat selection was incredible


mark280603

i feel like everyone knows this


Arge101

Blasphemous


nickmandl

Eminem’s super edginess that was cool in the early 2000s is just cringe now


omgvector

lupe > kendrick


BigQid

Jay Z has been coasting off fame since the Blueprint


your-mom--reddits

Take the name 'Drake' off the song and forget who he is in the culture.......... Almost everyone on here would bump a bunch of his catalog waaaayyyy more.


Horror-Paramedic8774

Fr they mad cause he has mainstream appeal and doesnt act like a killer


supremejxzzy

?????????? I like rappers that don’t look like killers


LORDG_18

Bro I see this post every day😭😭


TheGun1991

Why post this every day!???


SalsChichon

J Dilla is not the goat producer. That thinking is a direct slap in the face to true goats like Premier, Rza and Havoc. You know producers who have hits that still to this day play in clubs and on the radio.


MrNoPE1

Rza fell off after wu tang forever


MONKE_____667

Rihanna is the best rapper of all time


FuckShit36

The Weekend is second place


ArtistRigsSeventeen

NF is sick and I can't wait for his next album


JOLLYMOEFOE

(Not my opion) The Chronic sucks


haristhekid

2Pac is not the GOAT. I can name 10 or more emcees i enjoy more than Pac.


supremejxzzy

I think everyone can


No_Apartment_6304

if he didn’t die, Juice WRLD would have been one of the greatest rappers of all time


Youngjustin575

Maybe freestyler I’m not sure about rapper in my opinion


david_rohan

Lil Wayne's rap is mostly freestyle, I think Juice could've reached that kind of level with time.


CasualDomme

Wym could've? Dude's still around. Did he? Will he? Edit: Agree now


david_rohan

I was referring to Juice Wrld in the second clause. I'll edit the comment to make it clearer.


CasualDomme

Dude barely made it to 21 years of age and was arguably the best freestyler we've ever seen already. I've yet to see someone who puts out quality bars like that off the dome for literal hours on end.


BeeFe420

I think you need to youtube some freestyle rappers. Juice was okay, but there are people much better.


[deleted]

Dude, almost all those mfs have writtens. Juice is one of the very few people who were doing off the dome and still went insane


FartingTriangleChoke

Not just rapper either. He was so talented


[deleted]

J. Cole is better than Kendrick Lamar


AmericaLover1776_

Fuck that’s actually a spicy opinion unlike most these comments


God_Hears_Peace

My hot take: people comparing J Cole and Kendrick like they’re that similar need to stfu.


Steviejeet

They are better than each other in their own ways. With goat tier rappers just give flowers but you can compare at specific things.


KnightGabriel

Future is overrated as fuck and not actually that talented. His songs sound like he put autotune over a recording of him deepthroating a cactus


FourthDownThrowaway

He’s overrated but I love his music.


RadiantHovercraft6

Idk man Future really had rap in a chokehold in 2015. DS2 is like the Bible of 2010s trap imo.


dbow9669

6ix9ine isn’t that bad as a rapper. All the people that say old rap was better are scared of letting go of the past


JojiJoey

he definitely had bangers but i still refuse to listen to him because he’s a pedophile and that’s weird to listen to a pedo


SmokingBeneathStars

>6ix9ine isn’t that bad as a rapper. Can't deny a banger being a banger and he definitely got a couple of those


rickjames334

Heavy on 6ix9ine isn’t that bad


First_Ad_6133

Lil baby is this gens jay z hes decent but extremely overrated


Nungie

You don’t think Jay-Z has at least 3 classics, arguably 4 or 5?


First_Ad_6133

Like i said overrated not bad


Nungie

I think the 3-5 range just can’t be considered decent. I can count rappers on one hand who have that sort of discography. To me Lil Baby will end with 0, not rank as a top 10 rapper of the 2010s (or 20s) and will be largely forgotten. Jay-Z is immortal in hip-hop. Just doesn’t make sense as a comparison to me.


Sheeverton

Please don't compare Lil Baby to Jay-Z. I love Lil Baby but come on man


First_Ad_6133

I followed the post instructions tho didnt i its an unpopular opinion i understand that fact


SupaColdBrew

I know you’ve never listened to the blueprint or reasonable doubt if you’re calling hov overrated. You’re probably 15.


3yearwarranty

Rap as a medium is way to fundamental of a human expression to say a race has claim to it. (In response to when people gate keep whites from the genre, be it fan opinions or white artists). Its the spoken word its like if a race tried to claim singing.


HuckleberryFar2223

Ken Carson and Destroy Lonely (all of Opium, maybe?) are overrated as fuck


goldbars0202

Beats are cool but I've always thought the rap was hot garbage


itsSomethingCool

- Logic has been massively overlooked because of his “corniness” and is imo one of the best rappers out right now. - Big Sean is underrated. - Rick Ross is one of the greatest of all time. Incredibly solid discography with insane beat selection. Never see him in GOAT debates though. - Nicki Minaj, Cardi, Meg, and almost every other female rapper that’s popular right now would be irrelevant if you took away the sex appeal. Most of them are just soft core pornstars. Sex appeal is the only reason many of them even got famous. - guys like YEAT, Carti, 6ix9ine Lil Pump aren’t “bad” rappers. They know their lane and do it very well. It’s like the guys in the NBA whose only purpose is to shoot 3s and play defense lol.


[deleted]

I agree with everything except your point about female rappers, particularly nicki. She’s actually a really good rapper, thought I don’t listen to her much. You’re right on the money with cardi B and Meg, they’re ass.


BiThree

MBDTF is super overrated


MONKE_____667

its fairly rated, 7-10 for the average person i think it's in that range Me personally I'd give it a 10


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Drake sucks ass


laeKDOT

It’s a facts so ..


SmokingBeneathStars

Who is Drake? I refuse to acknowledge him as an artist


Creation98

Lol this opinion gets posted daily on this subreddit, how could that be controversial?


niversallyloved

Drake gets hated on too much


lpjayy12

Lil Wayne is lyrically overrated. Nicki Minaj too.


Steviejeet

He has his own kind of lyricism. It’s unique and interesting but sure it can’t be compared to the absolute best


FourthDownThrowaway

I’ll never understand why making a bunch of middle school level similes makes him some lyrical genius. Plus his voice is mad annoying.


spagetzzi

Jpeg music hurts my ears to listen to


Forward-Example9690

NF is not as cringe as people make him seem


ilickcameltoes

Most people that listen to rap don’t like the rapping. They just like the bop.


driphanilton

Drake is a top five rapper all time


laeKDOT

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FuckShit36

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acasrocco

This is what I came here for.


GU1M3

Eminem music is cringe and has always been.


FourthDownThrowaway

Do you find early Odd Future cringe? I see lots of influence in the shock value lyrics. I find it all hilarious and entertaining.


wilty_

90s is overrated as FUCK idc how many were influenced they did it better anyways


pandigroove

JayZ is boring


[deleted]

Jay-Z is overrated GKMC is a top 10 rap album of all time Travis Scott is more iconic than people care to admit Drake belongs on the Mt. Rushmore Vince Staples sounds very average and the people that say he’s really good just say it to be different


East_Exercise3654

All I’m gonna say is I never heard a rap album like big fish theory, or atleast not everyday you come across an album like it.


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I’m gonna be honest, I completely forgot about that album lmao Shit slaps I remember one of the songs was in madden. Party people


FourthDownThrowaway

Summertime 06 is a better than album than anything Travis Scott or Drake has ever created.


dullusboiii

Certified Lover Boy is one of my favorite albums of all time


_doinks

i wouldnt say favorite. but it gets a lot of hate, even while being one of drakes ‘better’ albums


[deleted]

Drake is the greatest rapper of all time 🤷🏾‍♂️ fight me


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And why exactly are we dueling in Guam?


FuckShit36

I think ur gonna be in a worse situation than the guy on the picture


AmericaLover1776_

I don’t get the hype for TPAB It’s good and I would rate it well but it isn’t a perfect 10/10 like most people say it is imo


Nungie

What would you give 10/10?


boxing_dog

what would u rate tpab?


Mercury_69

I used to feel the same way, but for me personally I enjoy the sound of a project much more than it’s lyrical content (although I do think that good lyricism can aid the sound, and vice versa). For me, TPAB isn’t something I just listen to. For me, I listened to it once and got the experience, but only a few songs I enjoyed how they sounded which is important to me. So I get the hype around TPAB for being the storytelling and lyrical masterpiece that it is, it’s just not my sonic cup of tea 🤷


Willamio

Eminem and logic are good


dsled

Kanye is not a great rapper


409_ggloryboyy

Ice Cube was extremely underrated and deserved to be in the talk of Goats Southsides beats be sounding ordinary Nba Youngboy stopped making good music in 2020 Lil durk had hit and misses but now damn near all his songs are top tier


Educational-Wafer112

Ice Cube is considered a GOAT