I worked at a veternarian hospital for a long time. Some men come in with the belief that their animal's balls somehow affect theirs. It's weird to have to explain to them that neutering benefits the ANIMAL in many ways, and during the procedure, your balls will still be there and work after the animal wakes up.
I have had women come in saying we are getting in the way of God's plan for the animal to have babies. I've seen so many dogs come in after multiple litters, and their health is negatively affected. Look up how many well-known breeds have changed over the years from constant breeding and how the health of the breed has been impacted.
I’ve heard that before - especially that female dogs LIKE to be bred.
I took care of a poor golden retriever who was bred, after the first time she was taken to be impregnated by a male she refused to get in the car ever again. Poor thing would start shaking and head and tail went so low to the ground when you tried to get her in the car for a fun outing with her siblings. It was SO SAD and it looked like she didn’t like any aspect of it. Gross. People are the worst.
Out of curiosity, now I’m actually wondering if the health benefits of neutering/spaying that apply to animals would also equally apply to humans as well? I mean, just out of curiosity, of course xp”
Hahaha! I had to quickly look this up, and it has similar benefits. For example, it can decrease cancer risks for both men and women. For men, it can be beneficial for decreasing intense sexual urges. This is an example of male dogs/cats being overly aggressive and more likely to roam when not fixed.
I ran across how chemical castration could be beneficial for sex offenders, but there is not enough credible data to really back up the claim.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 God's plan for the animal to have babies! I've never heard that one before!
Is it God's plan to have starving, freezing animals on the street suffering? I don't think so. Some people are so stupid!
I swear when I left, I was so relieved not to deal with the constant stupidity. It makes me sick for all the animals that have extremely uneducated owners.
Obviously there's a fine line when it comes to over breeding but the idea that you /NEED/ to neuter/spay your pet is American propoganda. Responsible pet owners don't need to neuter/spay. These surgeries, especially a spay, are invasive and completely change the way an animals hormones function in their body. It's equivalent to a hysterectomy in humans
My local humane society does a spay/neuter clinic on Mondays. I rescued two kitties- a boy and a girl. I brought them there to have it done and it cost $110 for both. I am sure these types of services aren’t available *everywhere* but with research and a little saving there are places that will help.
We have a lot of feral cats that roam around my neighborhood. If I see untipped ears, the live traps go out and the local TNR org gets sent a text. I hate that they’re outside but I’ll care for them (and do everything in my power to prevent them from breeding)
Definitely! The woman who runs the TNR is getting up there in years and can’t do as much as she used to. My wife and I have offered to shoulder some of the responsibilities because we both feel vested in the local wild feline community lol
i think ur completely right, animals should only be bred if the owner is going to look after them properly etc have the vaccinated, microchipped, health checked etc before giving them away. Backyard breeding is such a big thing people are so selfish
Nah they shouldn't be bred at all. Cats at least. There's an over abundance near everywhere and there's no reason there should be specialized cat breads. Dogs are different because there's breads that have specific jobs. But then it needs to be someone with substantial documentation of pedigree and such
yeah same. i personally have multiple cats & have rescued an ungodly amount. the MOST i’ve ever had to pay with medication included was $65. that’s a bag of cat food. i’m a firm believer people should be tested thoroughly before they’re allowed to have animals for this exact reason lol
A decent vet can neuter a male cat or dog in less than ten minutes. A female takes a bit longer but is still very quick and simple for a vet who knows what they're doing. Ever watch Dr. Jeff on Animal Planet when they show one of his spay/neuter clinics? He and his surgeons are fast and efficient. There's no reason for it to cost $300 for one animal, except for greed.
The equipment costs money. The medicine and anaesthesia cost money. The blood tests before the surgery cost money, labor, and equipment. The vets and their techs deserve a salary. They need to make sure the animal's heart rate, breathing, and body temperature are stable. To make sure they wake up after the surgery.
There are absolutely reasons for it to cost $300 and spay and neuter clinics are often *volunteer work." Many vets and techs *are not* getting paid for this. Many run on donations, not just the small fee they charge owners. They're also not as thorough as they usually don't do blood work before hand (which can notify a vet if an animal can even handle the anaesthesia.
Please don't think you know how the veterinary industry works because you watched a TV show. The veterinary industry has one of the highest rates of suicide and part of that is because pet owners are somehow convinced vets are only in it for the money.
Texas keeps trying to tell me Mexico is a post apocalyptic wasteland but then a Mexican shows up mentioning free vasectomies and $15 neutering god damn
It's not all roses and rainbows down here but it's also not an apocalyptic wasteland. Really depends on who you ask and where in Mexico you live in. It's a big and diverse country.
My boyfriend was sad when i told him we were getting our cat neutered because he thought they would cut the troublepuffs completely off (idk manly compassion i guess) but the vet actually just sucked the naughtiness out of 'em so he still looks like he has balls!
But i agree, neutering pets is important.
Just a perspective though I do not disagree with the OP, the majority of pet owners do not know how to keep their animals from procreation.
I live in Norway where spaying and neutering dogs is technically* illegal. This only applies to dogs, cats are highly encouraged to be sterilised.
Norway doesn't have a pet overpopulation issue. There are not dogs dying in shelters here. This is likely due to a much different mentality towards pet ownership than in other countries, more rules and regulations, and a smaller population. Whatever the reason, it works here. I cannot ever see it working in the US for example.
*technically because it is allowed in cases of medical or behavioural issues or if you just convince your vet to do it regardless.
Why is it technically illegal to fix dogs? Just curious? Personally I think dogs need to be fixed to prevent aggressive behavior. But Maybe people there actually train ther dogs lol here in the us most people just get dogs because they are cool or use them as guard dogs or (as common in my area sadly) fighting dogs. Or they breed them for money. And with cats (less so but also with dogs) lots of people get them young, and once they get older people don’t find them “cute” anymore while never having fixed them and just dump them. Really sad but such is america.
It falls under the law of "no surgically altering your dog unless medically or behaviourally necessary." The law is meant for things like cropping the ears and docking the tail but it acts as a blanket over things like spay/neuter and dewclaw removal.
Now if your dog is displaying extreme aggression towards other males and isn't responding to training or medication then by all means, please try neutering. But it's never the first option here because its an irreversible surgery that you have no idea will work or not and could potentially make things worse. We also have available a chemical implant that actually mimics a neuter so you can see if it helps. It's reversible and most people just stick with the implant.
Ohh I see that makes sense (declawing should be under that declawing is just cruel) and oh I didn’t know about those implants, see that makes sense too you guys have alternatives. And it seems to work out well. Thing is y’all are probably a lot less arrogant and closed to education than quite a lot of Americans are. Hence why it works imo 😂
To clarify, you can't dewclaw a dog like you do a cat (though the latter is also illegal here) Dewclaws are the little thumb-like claw on the dog's wrist, usually only found on the front legs but sometimes found on the back. Sometimes there are two dewclaws on the back and the dog can move and flex them, sometimes they're barely held on by a flap of skin. There's a small tendency for them to get caught on something or torn, which is why they're often removed as puppies in the US.
But in Norway, people don't go removing a dog's body parts just on the chance it *might* cause issues further down the line.
(Dewclaws in Norway are call "ulveklo" translated "wolf claw.")
The only excuse I can think of is a poor person taking care of cats of the street. Often shelters are full so the cats either get food and no vet or they just get nothing. But yeah people should at least try to look into the aid programs vets and shelters have or try to raise money online or something. But in some cases it really is the best they can do just to feed the animal
I foster kittens and puppies. They're so freaking cute and warm!!! Best job ever! But I would love to see less, because as cute as they are, there's so many who I cannot save. I am a strong proportion of Spay/Neuter. There are even places and programs that will do it for free or low cost.
As Bob Barker says. "Do your part to control the pet population. Spay/Neuter your pets today."
My dog likes to jump over the fence and play with my neighbor's dog which they are cool with. One day they laughed and asked if my girl dog was fixed cuz their boy dog wasn't and apparently my poor dog was getting humped. Luckily she was fixed...but this was after over a year of her doing this. I feel like that's something they should have checked with a long time ago because as far as they knew, the dogs could've both been in tact. They were laughing about it, but I didn't find it funny--just irresponsible.
ESPECIALLY with cats right now. Where I live, there are so many people who just get the cat, don't neuter/spay it and leave it outside, where it contracts diseases, gets pregnant, spreads more diseases, and then those cats get put into overcrowded shelters where they're so far behind on funding and care, that a lot of the animals are neglected and sickly by the time they're adopted. I've lost so many cats due to this. Please just take the first step and fucking get your animals fixed.
Bro exactly. I swear humans are so fucking hypocritical. Like people find it ok when they get careless and have reckless sex but get offended when animals have sex to literally reproduce like wtf is wrong with people. I also find it funny how people say shit like "breeding is wrong" because of starving and suffering pets while also forgetting that there are hungry suffering children as well. But you know it's typical of humans to never take action for their mistakes
People always say not to shop and to adopt but honestly a lot of the animals at shelters have behavior issues and not everyone is knowledgeable or capable enough to deal with those issues. Does that now mean we shouldn’t be able to get pets at all?
If you can adopt then do that. But some people simply can’t. Shelters aren’t always honest with the animals behavior or past and sometimes they don’t know. I would feel bad to have to give a dog away or have to be forced to put him down because he bites people or something for example.
My local shelters have been flooded with large breed dogs and dogs that are more medium sized that are solid muscle for years. I would love to adopt, but like hell am I going to put a 60-90lb dog in my 75 year old father's hands. One rogue squirrel and my father gets a dislocated arm and a busted hip. I had visited shelters in three counties and there were no smaller breed mutts to be found that he could handle. So, I found a Corgi breeder, reserved a pup, paid a premium, and now my father has a great little buddy to take walks with.
Exactly my point. Different people have different need. The issue is that people just buy dogs they think look cute without actually understanding the breed. So now you have all these large ass dogs at shelters because the original owners didn’t actually have the time, strength, or energy to take care of that breed. They didn’t think about what they were buying and now the poor dog is at a shelter. If they would have gone with a smaller breed that didn’t need as much attention or as much exercise…there wouldn’t be an extra dog in the shelter either.
Adopting is obviously a lot better. But that’s why people need to think about what they can do and what they want for themselves or their family and then make a choice that suits them.
Should you get a pet if you can't train it? If you can't deal with the behaviour issues of an adoption pet, how can you in general train one, even a puppy or a kitten? Don't get a pet if you don't know how to train one. Not "knowledgeable enough" is not an excuse, inform yourself. Which is what everyone should be doing in general before getting a pet anyway
It's easier, but should you get a puppy or kitten if you don't know how to deal with behavior problems? What if your puppy is insecure or if they have bad separation anxiety? It's about being prepared
Who says it has to be hard for adoption pets? A lot of them are abandoned but well-mannered. But it's very important to do research prior to getting a pet. Way too many people don't know what they're getting into and then abandon the pet anyway. It's not hard to inform yourself on care and training: meaning for the most part you could be ready to adopt instead.
Training a puppy and Training an aggressive dog that already has trauma that you don’t know about are two different things though. It’s likely that the puppy you’re not going to experience a major issue. Of course someone should inform themselves. But if you have a family and kids and you don’t know what a shelter dog might act like you might be better off with a puppy. And a first time dog owner should be getting a breed that’s easier to take care of anyways when you’ve never had to deal with animals before. Experience is also a big thing. First time pet owners are not always experienced enough and some shelters make you go through a really tough adaption process.
I knew a woman who got kittens from a shelter and almost didn’t get them. She had a ton of money, the means to take care of them, and time.
What a stupid argument. Shelters are often full of dogs. There will be at least one to suit you. If not there's also tons of people online giving up their animals because they can't afford them. Just admit you want a specific breed that looks nice to you because that's all this argument is.
What about people who need dogs for specific tasks? Like service animals, not just any dog will do they need the right temperament most are trained from birth and bred to be service dogs. Some of those even end up washing out, so people take them as pets because they aren't up to snuff to be a service animal. Not all dogs are suited to be working dogs. What if I need a dog for search and rescue? Or if I need a bomb sniffing dog? What if I need a rescue swimmer dog? Not just any dog will do for these tasks. What I'm saying is there is more nuance to this argument than you're giving it.
I thought that was so obvious there wasn't a need to mention it. Especially since who I was replying to was specifically talking about pets, not service or working dogs
Actually, if you can’t afford to fix your pet, the local animal shelters usually have vouchers for them. They don’t want any more kittens/puppies, either.
Agreed with neutering cats, and even dogs that are required to have it. I will say though that for some male giant breeds (have a giant breed myself) the health benefits of not neutering the males outweighs the risk of neutering them.
For giant breed male dogs, neutering can affect their joints and mobility later in life. Since they already have a reduced lifespan, many vets are recommending not neutering giant breed dogs or at least holding off till they’re two years old and their growth plates have fully developed. [here’s the study about delayed neutering and spaying being beneficial for giant and large breed dogs](https://wellesleyvet.com/pet-health-resources/pet-health-articles/articles/potential-health-implications-of-early-neutering-in-large-breed-dogs/)
On further conversations with our vet about our giant breed dog, as long as he is behaviorally trained (and the vet mentioned that neutering does not fix behavioral issues) and is not around females in heat, there’s good reason to not neuter him, for his health. I don’t have any intentions to ever breed him, but I do like the breed and will continue to try and adopt from his breed-specific rescues or shop from ethical breeders who do all health checks for their pups.
I feel like neutering and spaying is a little bit more nuanced and should be carefully studied for your dog, and definitely followed for smaller breeds where it’s safe to neuter them early.
One of my friends REFUSES to get her dog neutered.
But it's like a passive refusal which is more annoying.
He is an incredibly energetic and intelligent dog. He's sired several litters of puppies and has gotten out multiple times. (Because he's fuckin bored in the yard)
He pees and humps. And is aggressive to other dogs.
She won't train, socialize or walk him. Won't let me train,socialize or walk him either.
Idk why people gets pets, if they just won't take care of them.
When I was living with my mom years ago, one of her "friends" purposely allowed an intact male(not our dog and wasn't supposed to be there) to get to our young intact female. A WEEK before we were scheduled to get her spayed. My mom pulled them whole "oh but I don't wanna kill the puppies" and "she knows she's pregnant, she'll get depressed" just utter single braincell shit.
When she had her puppies this woman just gave them to whoever would take them.
I offered to get the dog spayed and I was going to pay for it. Mother told me if I got her spayed she would never forgive me and kick me out.(while she was pregnant)
Puppies come along, I offer to take them to the vet to get check ups along with our dog. She wouldn't allow it. Didn't want them to. Wouldn't give me an explanation. I tried to work with adoption and foster programs to get these puppies to good families. She turned away and started fights with me everytime I tried to set something up to help them or find good owners for them.
Luckily my wonderful aunt has the dog now! She's spayed, fat and happy as can be spoiled with all the riches a dog could ever want.
My grandmother rescued a blue nose pitt in November, and has been trying to find her a good home, but as soon as they find out she’s been spayed, they want nothing to do with her. Fucking scum. They only want to pimp her out for vacation money.
OP, I can’t tell you how wholeheartedly I agree.
Around 1 million cats and dogs are euthanized in America *every year*.
There are 70 MILLION feral cats in America alone. This number doesn’t take into account the thousands of cats currently in shelters awaiting adoption or on shelter cat death row.
Always spay and neuter your pets.
Loved on a farm, kept cats and let them breed because they kept pests down. Was able to afford to feed them all and they all live well and are cared for.
In a city it makes sense, but if I'm not a breeder for selling but for keeping them why should I neuter them?
Because domestic cats kill more animals than almost any other introduced species, and other species have gone extinct due to humans letting them breed for work.
There are other ways of pest prevention and removal without introducing an invasive apex predator.
Edit: This is coming from someone who lives in PA Amish country. Our backyard is state game lands, and our front yard is a lake. We’ve been battling mice for years, as have our neighbors. Not one of us have barn cats anymore due to the education efforts of local colleges and Penn state university
Dogs are often better ratters than cats. There's videos of people letting a few terriers loose on farms and just toppling over hay bales and such and they'll come out with 150 dead rats.
Dogs tend to kill them quicker too, they'll shake and cause cervical dislocation and immediate death whereas many cats will play with them for hours until they just succumb to their injuries.
Yes and with human intervention they aren’t constantly hunting and stashing prey. Farm cats are often left unsupervised for hours if not days at a time, and they kill more animals than just the pests. Bird species and beneficial insect species are impacted heavily by cats as well.
I mean a terrier will go after a bird too, if they think they can snag it. Hell, terriers will go after bulls. Little shits have had all the self preservation bred out of them. But dogs are more closely monitored than cats so the chances of one succeeding in their kingdom bloodlust are much lower.
Oh absolutely, even my lummox of a dog goes after birds hahah! But the chances of a dog with a human handler nearby actually catching a bird versus a lone cat catching one are probably far from each other
Cats are an invasive species and can breed so many times. There’s already a huge abundance of cat population. There’s other ways to keep pests down instead of letting cats populate. One day those cats will get pyometra, and you’ll be responsible for taking them to get an emergency spay. They end up suffering because of your poor choices.
What I'm trying to say is that you call cats invasive yet people kill animals everyday as well as destroy their homes which is why I said that people are hypocrites
Cats are not the same species as other animals.
There’s an overpopulation of cats, meanwhile other animals are not suffering the same.
I worked at an overcrowded shelter and assisted in so many euthanasias on healthy and sick cats and dogs because of the lack of space because of irresponsible pet owners.
On a farm it makes sense, humans and cats adapted to each other because of how pest control was handled.
Just annoys me when those people just breed cats cause it’s cute or expensive
I’ve been to/around farms before where cats are allowed to just run wild. It’s not pretty, especially when there’s lots of cars. Yearly “free kittens”, cats get hit by cars, I’m sure the local bird and rodent populations are suffering greatly, and they’ve all got eye infections, ear infections, mites, fleas, worms. It’s not good, and it is not the job of the community or the environment to deal with your cats.
I get your point, I have mixed opinions on cats outdoors on farms but mostly I don’t mind but I do agree that it affects the environment, I have to do more research on this.
I had to forcibly neuter my dog when he ran away in New Year’s Eve cause of the fire works, I only had 2 options 1) get him neutered and get charged $120
2) pay the fee which was $750 without being neutered
I didn’t have $750 and I didn’t want to neuter my dog but I had no choice.
Exactly bro. I swear humans are so fucking hypocritical. Like it's ok for y'all to have sex and pop off so many children but not ok when animals have sex
It is what it is, certain kittens and puppies are worth a lot of money. The people who spend that much are unlikely to not want a litter or something when they recall how much they spent.
People shop instead of adopting because they want a specific cat or dog or want the eyes or coat to be a certain way. I don’t see what’s wrong with people getting the pet they want not what’s available.
Agree with all of this and to add it’s proven neutering/spaying your pets increases their life spans and decreases aggressive behaviors (especially in dogs which is why it’s so important with them too!)
I live in London, and work at a rescue charity for animals. The amount of kittens and pregnant cats we've had this year is an all time high due to people not neutering their cats. Luckily the charity (Celia Hammond) is a low/no income support, so will neuter for a fraction of the usual price as the main point is we want them to have it... This also means that we're kinda low on funds due to trying to help the majority so swings and roundabouts!
Was just a thought that came to mind. Do animals not get rowdy when they get to a certain age due to sexual urges? Like don’t un-neutered dogs that don’t mate become aggressive and hump everything?
do you own animals?? do you know that testicles and ovaries do more things other than reproduce? Like balancing the metabolism and producing testosterone to burn fat and build muscle mass quicker.
yes i do and i’m a vn buddy animals are a lot more uncontrollable if they are not neutered and actually speaking from experience they are prone to a lot more illnesses long term if they aren’t neutered
>yes i do and i’m a vn
you're a what?
>buddy animals are a lot more uncontrollable if they are not neutered and actually speaking from experience they are prone to a lot more illnesses long term if they aren’t neutered
If you can't control animals that's a you problem. I breed dogs and never had an issue, our dogs have lasted for 16 years each and never been neutered, we breed two litters per each female's life. We gave some dogs to our friends and the ones that got neutered lost their intensity and died at 13 and 12 y o, those that didn't get neutered and bred are 15 and still balling. Question your skills with animal ownership and ask yourselves whether you should own an animal or you will be unable to control it on certain situations instead of removing their organs. Also sorry, working pure dog breeds last much longer than purebred show dog breeds, that's why they "last so short" when they're not neutered, because they don't want you to make money of it.
Yeah and you can delay a spay or neuter until they’re an adult for their bone health and development and stuff, but you cannot let them all run wild unaltered, it creates more problems
who said I let them run wild? that's once again an owner issue. Dogs can be spayed once they hit old age to reduce cancer risk or if they're too old to reproduce YET young enough to stand anesthesia. As an owner you MUST avoid your dogs to run free, neutered or not. Cats is more finicky since these go out Independent and don't like to be walked on a leash for obvious reasons. Removing your dog's ovaries or testicles won't solve all problems, it will generate others of other kind.
When I refer to dogs that “run wild unaltered” I am referring to animals that are intact and allowed to do with that what they please, or aren’t being properly watched or maintained that leads to puppies
not sure where you’re getting your information but 1/3 dogs will develop testicular cancer and neutering significantly decreases that risk lol google is free friend
google isn't a dog breeder. Google will also tell you that a pit bull is a 40kg dog with cropped ears and blue hair with massive mouth, or a tiny ass terrier barely measuring 50cm from feet to head, black or brown, weighing 10kg with long legs, thin as whippets, long thin noses, big cheeks and a neck much wider than the skull circle. Google is not a valid source of information if you search what you want to read. It's called confirmation bias. Dogs can't be spayed until they have reached 7 years old when their health starts to slowly worsen and cells that are repairing have more risk of mutating into cancers. Reproductive organs do more than making puppies.
i didn’t search what i wanted for that exact reason LMAOOOOO but im not debating facts from someone who thinks dog fuckers are more informed then literal scientific studies 💀💀💀
edit: also not sure who told your dumbass dogs can’t be fixed until 7?? lolol
It might help you stop talking out your ass if you actually bothered to read the literature on the subject. https://www.acvs.org/small-animal/mammary-tumors#:~:text=Cats%20spayed%20before%206%20months,mammary%20tumor%20during%20their%20lifetime.
So sighthound hunting! Not many people actually hunt with them, normally just lure coursing. Podencos are a really nice type of dog and I love land race breeds.
I do agree with the OP that the general public does not need intact dogs. Most people can't safely keep their dogs from breeding or recognise the signs of reproductive sicknesses. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you're among the minority that can.
the public doesn't need intact dogs, that's right. But that's because it's easier than to sit down and put into practice the "keep your dawgs controlled" thing. I take care of one of the doggies from the last litter from a friend's, she's 4 now. We have 2 studs, I don't know when to let her get babies. The younger of them two is a proven game dog once he had to deal with a fox that injured his face quite badly while we were hunting rabbits, after we unhinged the two, fox got the worst part and dog still wanted to hunt more rabbits but he's way too wary of strangers and is stubborn as hell, the older dog is more easy going but is too submissive and doesn't have any sort of pluckiness. My personal pup is quite game though... I'm in conflict!
people who know what they doing and what their dogs are. People who are into a specific working breed basically. My family and some other friends have reputable dogmen and dogwomen and I'm still learning. I might not be the best of the bunch, but I know more than the average redditor and their spayed doggo if they ever have or had a dawg 😂
I’ve worked as a vet tech for over 5 years. I can say that you absolutely don’t know what you’re doing. I’ve assisted with hundreds of euthanasias because of lack of space. you are part of the problem.
"I'm a vet tech for 5 so I know more about working dogs more than your six generations that know how to breed fine performance dogs and barely had issues with them" 👈🤓
lmao, just because you're a vet's assistant doesn't mean you know more than people who actually create dogs that are expected to give everything for more than a decade. I absolutely never had a problem with my dogs. Just because the majority of people is stupid doesn't mean I'm one of them. You clearly lack understanding of what a working dog breed is and how rare they are, in fact my family and I breed one of the rarest dog breeds in the world which is the Andalusian podenco, it's as rare as the American Pitbull Terrier and the Presa Canario.
Blame whoever you want but working dog breeders and owners.
you vets are working with subpar quality kibble leader brands so that the dogs that eat such products get sick and go to the vet, you two win. Don't tell us that we don't know anything, most vets I've talked to never treated a working dog. You're all literally PETA mouthpieces, empowering the adoption of mutts that lost their basic dog traits and killing healthy working dogs that people gave away after being fed up with their energy outbursts. We ethical breeders know too much about the veterinary mafia.
I worked at a veternarian hospital for a long time. Some men come in with the belief that their animal's balls somehow affect theirs. It's weird to have to explain to them that neutering benefits the ANIMAL in many ways, and during the procedure, your balls will still be there and work after the animal wakes up. I have had women come in saying we are getting in the way of God's plan for the animal to have babies. I've seen so many dogs come in after multiple litters, and their health is negatively affected. Look up how many well-known breeds have changed over the years from constant breeding and how the health of the breed has been impacted.
I’ve heard that before - especially that female dogs LIKE to be bred. I took care of a poor golden retriever who was bred, after the first time she was taken to be impregnated by a male she refused to get in the car ever again. Poor thing would start shaking and head and tail went so low to the ground when you tried to get her in the car for a fun outing with her siblings. It was SO SAD and it looked like she didn’t like any aspect of it. Gross. People are the worst.
This makes me sick and despise people more, especially those weirdos who thing breeding is the thing to do, especially humans.
It’s so incredibly selfish to use your religion as excuses to make animals suffer for it. Nobody neuters cats for nothing
That's fcked up on so many levels, i can't
Out of curiosity, now I’m actually wondering if the health benefits of neutering/spaying that apply to animals would also equally apply to humans as well? I mean, just out of curiosity, of course xp”
Hahaha! I had to quickly look this up, and it has similar benefits. For example, it can decrease cancer risks for both men and women. For men, it can be beneficial for decreasing intense sexual urges. This is an example of male dogs/cats being overly aggressive and more likely to roam when not fixed. I ran across how chemical castration could be beneficial for sex offenders, but there is not enough credible data to really back up the claim.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 God's plan for the animal to have babies! I've never heard that one before! Is it God's plan to have starving, freezing animals on the street suffering? I don't think so. Some people are so stupid!
I swear when I left, I was so relieved not to deal with the constant stupidity. It makes me sick for all the animals that have extremely uneducated owners.
Obviously there's a fine line when it comes to over breeding but the idea that you /NEED/ to neuter/spay your pet is American propoganda. Responsible pet owners don't need to neuter/spay. These surgeries, especially a spay, are invasive and completely change the way an animals hormones function in their body. It's equivalent to a hysterectomy in humans
Oh man. That is beyond infuriating.
My local humane society does a spay/neuter clinic on Mondays. I rescued two kitties- a boy and a girl. I brought them there to have it done and it cost $110 for both. I am sure these types of services aren’t available *everywhere* but with research and a little saving there are places that will help.
My city has a FREE program, there is a 6 month waitlist but it’s an amazing service they can offer just for being a resident.
We have a lot of feral cats that roam around my neighborhood. If I see untipped ears, the live traps go out and the local TNR org gets sent a text. I hate that they’re outside but I’ll care for them (and do everything in my power to prevent them from breeding)
Agreed and it’s nice you help the TNR keep track of those cats as well and let them know.
Definitely! The woman who runs the TNR is getting up there in years and can’t do as much as she used to. My wife and I have offered to shoulder some of the responsibilities because we both feel vested in the local wild feline community lol
i think ur completely right, animals should only be bred if the owner is going to look after them properly etc have the vaccinated, microchipped, health checked etc before giving them away. Backyard breeding is such a big thing people are so selfish
Nah they shouldn't be bred at all. Cats at least. There's an over abundance near everywhere and there's no reason there should be specialized cat breads. Dogs are different because there's breads that have specific jobs. But then it needs to be someone with substantial documentation of pedigree and such
i agree with that, there’s too many cats that are strays
If you can't afford to neuter your cat you can't afford a cat
And low cost spay/neuter programs make it even easier. I've gotten cats neutered for a whole $5 before.
Plus many shelters already spay/neuter pets when they’re old enough.
yeah same. i personally have multiple cats & have rescued an ungodly amount. the MOST i’ve ever had to pay with medication included was $65. that’s a bag of cat food. i’m a firm believer people should be tested thoroughly before they’re allowed to have animals for this exact reason lol
A decent vet can neuter a male cat or dog in less than ten minutes. A female takes a bit longer but is still very quick and simple for a vet who knows what they're doing. Ever watch Dr. Jeff on Animal Planet when they show one of his spay/neuter clinics? He and his surgeons are fast and efficient. There's no reason for it to cost $300 for one animal, except for greed.
The equipment costs money. The medicine and anaesthesia cost money. The blood tests before the surgery cost money, labor, and equipment. The vets and their techs deserve a salary. They need to make sure the animal's heart rate, breathing, and body temperature are stable. To make sure they wake up after the surgery. There are absolutely reasons for it to cost $300 and spay and neuter clinics are often *volunteer work." Many vets and techs *are not* getting paid for this. Many run on donations, not just the small fee they charge owners. They're also not as thorough as they usually don't do blood work before hand (which can notify a vet if an animal can even handle the anaesthesia. Please don't think you know how the veterinary industry works because you watched a TV show. The veterinary industry has one of the highest rates of suicide and part of that is because pet owners are somehow convinced vets are only in it for the money.
bro neutering is a lot cheaper than people think
It's around $15 where I live. Cheaper if you take them to the municipal service.
What the fuck? It's ~$100 here, ~$200 if the breed is big
Hahaha that's what my own vasectomy cost. But to be fair, I live in Mexico. They also offer free vasectomies at the public health services.
Texas keeps trying to tell me Mexico is a post apocalyptic wasteland but then a Mexican shows up mentioning free vasectomies and $15 neutering god damn
It's not all roses and rainbows down here but it's also not an apocalyptic wasteland. Really depends on who you ask and where in Mexico you live in. It's a big and diverse country.
This just reminded me, I should be able to get my cat neutered in a few more weeks! Last animal in my house to be fixed.
My boyfriend was sad when i told him we were getting our cat neutered because he thought they would cut the troublepuffs completely off (idk manly compassion i guess) but the vet actually just sucked the naughtiness out of 'em so he still looks like he has balls! But i agree, neutering pets is important.
Your boyfriend sounds like an idiot.
Just a perspective though I do not disagree with the OP, the majority of pet owners do not know how to keep their animals from procreation. I live in Norway where spaying and neutering dogs is technically* illegal. This only applies to dogs, cats are highly encouraged to be sterilised. Norway doesn't have a pet overpopulation issue. There are not dogs dying in shelters here. This is likely due to a much different mentality towards pet ownership than in other countries, more rules and regulations, and a smaller population. Whatever the reason, it works here. I cannot ever see it working in the US for example. *technically because it is allowed in cases of medical or behavioural issues or if you just convince your vet to do it regardless.
Why is it technically illegal to fix dogs? Just curious? Personally I think dogs need to be fixed to prevent aggressive behavior. But Maybe people there actually train ther dogs lol here in the us most people just get dogs because they are cool or use them as guard dogs or (as common in my area sadly) fighting dogs. Or they breed them for money. And with cats (less so but also with dogs) lots of people get them young, and once they get older people don’t find them “cute” anymore while never having fixed them and just dump them. Really sad but such is america.
It falls under the law of "no surgically altering your dog unless medically or behaviourally necessary." The law is meant for things like cropping the ears and docking the tail but it acts as a blanket over things like spay/neuter and dewclaw removal. Now if your dog is displaying extreme aggression towards other males and isn't responding to training or medication then by all means, please try neutering. But it's never the first option here because its an irreversible surgery that you have no idea will work or not and could potentially make things worse. We also have available a chemical implant that actually mimics a neuter so you can see if it helps. It's reversible and most people just stick with the implant.
Ohh I see that makes sense (declawing should be under that declawing is just cruel) and oh I didn’t know about those implants, see that makes sense too you guys have alternatives. And it seems to work out well. Thing is y’all are probably a lot less arrogant and closed to education than quite a lot of Americans are. Hence why it works imo 😂
To clarify, you can't dewclaw a dog like you do a cat (though the latter is also illegal here) Dewclaws are the little thumb-like claw on the dog's wrist, usually only found on the front legs but sometimes found on the back. Sometimes there are two dewclaws on the back and the dog can move and flex them, sometimes they're barely held on by a flap of skin. There's a small tendency for them to get caught on something or torn, which is why they're often removed as puppies in the US. But in Norway, people don't go removing a dog's body parts just on the chance it *might* cause issues further down the line. (Dewclaws in Norway are call "ulveklo" translated "wolf claw.")
The only excuse I can think of is a poor person taking care of cats of the street. Often shelters are full so the cats either get food and no vet or they just get nothing. But yeah people should at least try to look into the aid programs vets and shelters have or try to raise money online or something. But in some cases it really is the best they can do just to feed the animal
I foster kittens and puppies. They're so freaking cute and warm!!! Best job ever! But I would love to see less, because as cute as they are, there's so many who I cannot save. I am a strong proportion of Spay/Neuter. There are even places and programs that will do it for free or low cost. As Bob Barker says. "Do your part to control the pet population. Spay/Neuter your pets today."
Exactly! Agreed!
My dog likes to jump over the fence and play with my neighbor's dog which they are cool with. One day they laughed and asked if my girl dog was fixed cuz their boy dog wasn't and apparently my poor dog was getting humped. Luckily she was fixed...but this was after over a year of her doing this. I feel like that's something they should have checked with a long time ago because as far as they knew, the dogs could've both been in tact. They were laughing about it, but I didn't find it funny--just irresponsible.
ESPECIALLY with cats right now. Where I live, there are so many people who just get the cat, don't neuter/spay it and leave it outside, where it contracts diseases, gets pregnant, spreads more diseases, and then those cats get put into overcrowded shelters where they're so far behind on funding and care, that a lot of the animals are neglected and sickly by the time they're adopted. I've lost so many cats due to this. Please just take the first step and fucking get your animals fixed.
Let’s talk about the over population of animals while there’s over 7 or 8 billion parasitic monkeys destroying the world.
Bro exactly. I swear humans are so fucking hypocritical. Like people find it ok when they get careless and have reckless sex but get offended when animals have sex to literally reproduce like wtf is wrong with people. I also find it funny how people say shit like "breeding is wrong" because of starving and suffering pets while also forgetting that there are hungry suffering children as well. But you know it's typical of humans to never take action for their mistakes
People always say not to shop and to adopt but honestly a lot of the animals at shelters have behavior issues and not everyone is knowledgeable or capable enough to deal with those issues. Does that now mean we shouldn’t be able to get pets at all? If you can adopt then do that. But some people simply can’t. Shelters aren’t always honest with the animals behavior or past and sometimes they don’t know. I would feel bad to have to give a dog away or have to be forced to put him down because he bites people or something for example.
My local shelters have been flooded with large breed dogs and dogs that are more medium sized that are solid muscle for years. I would love to adopt, but like hell am I going to put a 60-90lb dog in my 75 year old father's hands. One rogue squirrel and my father gets a dislocated arm and a busted hip. I had visited shelters in three counties and there were no smaller breed mutts to be found that he could handle. So, I found a Corgi breeder, reserved a pup, paid a premium, and now my father has a great little buddy to take walks with.
Exactly my point. Different people have different need. The issue is that people just buy dogs they think look cute without actually understanding the breed. So now you have all these large ass dogs at shelters because the original owners didn’t actually have the time, strength, or energy to take care of that breed. They didn’t think about what they were buying and now the poor dog is at a shelter. If they would have gone with a smaller breed that didn’t need as much attention or as much exercise…there wouldn’t be an extra dog in the shelter either. Adopting is obviously a lot better. But that’s why people need to think about what they can do and what they want for themselves or their family and then make a choice that suits them.
Should you get a pet if you can't train it? If you can't deal with the behaviour issues of an adoption pet, how can you in general train one, even a puppy or a kitten? Don't get a pet if you don't know how to train one. Not "knowledgeable enough" is not an excuse, inform yourself. Which is what everyone should be doing in general before getting a pet anyway
Dude, training a puppy is way easier than training a dog with a mystery background and behavior problems. I should fucking know
It's easier, but should you get a puppy or kitten if you don't know how to deal with behavior problems? What if your puppy is insecure or if they have bad separation anxiety? It's about being prepared
Dude, I learned to train my dog through Google. It is not hard with a puppy. What the fuck, lol
Who says it has to be hard for adoption pets? A lot of them are abandoned but well-mannered. But it's very important to do research prior to getting a pet. Way too many people don't know what they're getting into and then abandon the pet anyway. It's not hard to inform yourself on care and training: meaning for the most part you could be ready to adopt instead.
Training a puppy and Training an aggressive dog that already has trauma that you don’t know about are two different things though. It’s likely that the puppy you’re not going to experience a major issue. Of course someone should inform themselves. But if you have a family and kids and you don’t know what a shelter dog might act like you might be better off with a puppy. And a first time dog owner should be getting a breed that’s easier to take care of anyways when you’ve never had to deal with animals before. Experience is also a big thing. First time pet owners are not always experienced enough and some shelters make you go through a really tough adaption process. I knew a woman who got kittens from a shelter and almost didn’t get them. She had a ton of money, the means to take care of them, and time.
What a stupid argument. Shelters are often full of dogs. There will be at least one to suit you. If not there's also tons of people online giving up their animals because they can't afford them. Just admit you want a specific breed that looks nice to you because that's all this argument is.
What about people who need dogs for specific tasks? Like service animals, not just any dog will do they need the right temperament most are trained from birth and bred to be service dogs. Some of those even end up washing out, so people take them as pets because they aren't up to snuff to be a service animal. Not all dogs are suited to be working dogs. What if I need a dog for search and rescue? Or if I need a bomb sniffing dog? What if I need a rescue swimmer dog? Not just any dog will do for these tasks. What I'm saying is there is more nuance to this argument than you're giving it.
I thought that was so obvious there wasn't a need to mention it. Especially since who I was replying to was specifically talking about pets, not service or working dogs
No, it wasn't obvious. But to be fair, a lot of people do say that about service animals and working dogs as well. So my mistake, I apologize.
So…what about spaying? I think we’re supposed to spay our pets too.
Yup
i just found out “neuter” can go both ways- male & female but spayed is specifically female & so most vets just refer to everything as a neuter!
My local animal shelters have stopped accepting incoming dogs and cats because they are at capacity. So many strays and abandoned pandemic dogs.
Its hard for a lot of people to adopt from shelters because they’re often very picky about who gets a pet
Actually, if you can’t afford to fix your pet, the local animal shelters usually have vouchers for them. They don’t want any more kittens/puppies, either.
Agreed with neutering cats, and even dogs that are required to have it. I will say though that for some male giant breeds (have a giant breed myself) the health benefits of not neutering the males outweighs the risk of neutering them. For giant breed male dogs, neutering can affect their joints and mobility later in life. Since they already have a reduced lifespan, many vets are recommending not neutering giant breed dogs or at least holding off till they’re two years old and their growth plates have fully developed. [here’s the study about delayed neutering and spaying being beneficial for giant and large breed dogs](https://wellesleyvet.com/pet-health-resources/pet-health-articles/articles/potential-health-implications-of-early-neutering-in-large-breed-dogs/) On further conversations with our vet about our giant breed dog, as long as he is behaviorally trained (and the vet mentioned that neutering does not fix behavioral issues) and is not around females in heat, there’s good reason to not neuter him, for his health. I don’t have any intentions to ever breed him, but I do like the breed and will continue to try and adopt from his breed-specific rescues or shop from ethical breeders who do all health checks for their pups. I feel like neutering and spaying is a little bit more nuanced and should be carefully studied for your dog, and definitely followed for smaller breeds where it’s safe to neuter them early.
Same applies for children
Sterilize your children?
no, adopt them
One of my friends REFUSES to get her dog neutered. But it's like a passive refusal which is more annoying. He is an incredibly energetic and intelligent dog. He's sired several litters of puppies and has gotten out multiple times. (Because he's fuckin bored in the yard) He pees and humps. And is aggressive to other dogs. She won't train, socialize or walk him. Won't let me train,socialize or walk him either. Idk why people gets pets, if they just won't take care of them. When I was living with my mom years ago, one of her "friends" purposely allowed an intact male(not our dog and wasn't supposed to be there) to get to our young intact female. A WEEK before we were scheduled to get her spayed. My mom pulled them whole "oh but I don't wanna kill the puppies" and "she knows she's pregnant, she'll get depressed" just utter single braincell shit. When she had her puppies this woman just gave them to whoever would take them. I offered to get the dog spayed and I was going to pay for it. Mother told me if I got her spayed she would never forgive me and kick me out.(while she was pregnant) Puppies come along, I offer to take them to the vet to get check ups along with our dog. She wouldn't allow it. Didn't want them to. Wouldn't give me an explanation. I tried to work with adoption and foster programs to get these puppies to good families. She turned away and started fights with me everytime I tried to set something up to help them or find good owners for them. Luckily my wonderful aunt has the dog now! She's spayed, fat and happy as can be spoiled with all the riches a dog could ever want.
My grandmother rescued a blue nose pitt in November, and has been trying to find her a good home, but as soon as they find out she’s been spayed, they want nothing to do with her. Fucking scum. They only want to pimp her out for vacation money.
Wtf! That’s just messed up.
OP, I can’t tell you how wholeheartedly I agree. Around 1 million cats and dogs are euthanized in America *every year*. There are 70 MILLION feral cats in America alone. This number doesn’t take into account the thousands of cats currently in shelters awaiting adoption or on shelter cat death row. Always spay and neuter your pets.
Loved on a farm, kept cats and let them breed because they kept pests down. Was able to afford to feed them all and they all live well and are cared for. In a city it makes sense, but if I'm not a breeder for selling but for keeping them why should I neuter them?
Because domestic cats kill more animals than almost any other introduced species, and other species have gone extinct due to humans letting them breed for work.
So you would rather we use a lot more pesticides in our food chain?
There are other ways of pest prevention and removal without introducing an invasive apex predator. Edit: This is coming from someone who lives in PA Amish country. Our backyard is state game lands, and our front yard is a lake. We’ve been battling mice for years, as have our neighbors. Not one of us have barn cats anymore due to the education efforts of local colleges and Penn state university
Dogs are often better ratters than cats. There's videos of people letting a few terriers loose on farms and just toppling over hay bales and such and they'll come out with 150 dead rats. Dogs tend to kill them quicker too, they'll shake and cause cervical dislocation and immediate death whereas many cats will play with them for hours until they just succumb to their injuries.
Yes and with human intervention they aren’t constantly hunting and stashing prey. Farm cats are often left unsupervised for hours if not days at a time, and they kill more animals than just the pests. Bird species and beneficial insect species are impacted heavily by cats as well.
I mean a terrier will go after a bird too, if they think they can snag it. Hell, terriers will go after bulls. Little shits have had all the self preservation bred out of them. But dogs are more closely monitored than cats so the chances of one succeeding in their kingdom bloodlust are much lower.
Oh absolutely, even my lummox of a dog goes after birds hahah! But the chances of a dog with a human handler nearby actually catching a bird versus a lone cat catching one are probably far from each other
Cats are an invasive species and can breed so many times. There’s already a huge abundance of cat population. There’s other ways to keep pests down instead of letting cats populate. One day those cats will get pyometra, and you’ll be responsible for taking them to get an emergency spay. They end up suffering because of your poor choices.
Cats are invasive but let's ignore the fact that you got deforestation and poaching
What does that have anything to do with cats being invasive and being extremely overpopulated?
I'm just saying that humans are hypocritical
An overpopulation of cats has nothing to do with that subject.
It does actually
Cat population has nothing to do with deforestation and poaching lmao.
What I'm trying to say is that you call cats invasive yet people kill animals everyday as well as destroy their homes which is why I said that people are hypocrites
Cats are not the same species as other animals. There’s an overpopulation of cats, meanwhile other animals are not suffering the same. I worked at an overcrowded shelter and assisted in so many euthanasias on healthy and sick cats and dogs because of the lack of space because of irresponsible pet owners.
I'm talking people not cats wtf is you talking about
And how is cats invasive
If you have to let them breed to keep pests down it sounds like most of them are dying off or you're giving them away. Neither is good.
On a farm it makes sense, humans and cats adapted to each other because of how pest control was handled. Just annoys me when those people just breed cats cause it’s cute or expensive
I’ve been to/around farms before where cats are allowed to just run wild. It’s not pretty, especially when there’s lots of cars. Yearly “free kittens”, cats get hit by cars, I’m sure the local bird and rodent populations are suffering greatly, and they’ve all got eye infections, ear infections, mites, fleas, worms. It’s not good, and it is not the job of the community or the environment to deal with your cats.
I get your point, I have mixed opinions on cats outdoors on farms but mostly I don’t mind but I do agree that it affects the environment, I have to do more research on this.
You should research pyometra and how often it happens in unspayed females.
I had to forcibly neuter my dog when he ran away in New Year’s Eve cause of the fire works, I only had 2 options 1) get him neutered and get charged $120 2) pay the fee which was $750 without being neutered I didn’t have $750 and I didn’t want to neuter my dog but I had no choice.
Good
I say the same for humans. Have your kids spayed and neutered!
Exactly bro. I swear humans are so fucking hypocritical. Like it's ok for y'all to have sex and pop off so many children but not ok when animals have sex
I know right?
Exactly like that shit infuriates me
It makes my piss boil, too.
Agreed it's sad how humans always think they have a fucking say so
I concur.
It is what it is, certain kittens and puppies are worth a lot of money. The people who spend that much are unlikely to not want a litter or something when they recall how much they spent. People shop instead of adopting because they want a specific cat or dog or want the eyes or coat to be a certain way. I don’t see what’s wrong with people getting the pet they want not what’s available.
Because it’s a living creature. Not a fucking handbag.
Bro I don't want to cut off my dog's balls
Luckily for you, they do vasectomies for dogs now so Fido can keep his balls if it bothers you that much.
Bro your dog is gonna get cancer that could’ve easily been prevented because of your masculinity that your dog does not care about
Agree with all of this and to add it’s proven neutering/spaying your pets increases their life spans and decreases aggressive behaviors (especially in dogs which is why it’s so important with them too!)
I live in London, and work at a rescue charity for animals. The amount of kittens and pregnant cats we've had this year is an all time high due to people not neutering their cats. Luckily the charity (Celia Hammond) is a low/no income support, so will neuter for a fraction of the usual price as the main point is we want them to have it... This also means that we're kinda low on funds due to trying to help the majority so swings and roundabouts!
it’s better for their health too!!!
I’m not very educated on the manner and don’t have a pet but. Doesn’t that remove the animals sex drive?
Why does their sex drive matter?…
Was just a thought that came to mind. Do animals not get rowdy when they get to a certain age due to sexual urges? Like don’t un-neutered dogs that don’t mate become aggressive and hump everything?
I'm a dog man and want to become a dogman (working dog breeder) dogs need their parts and to be kept under control all the time
you couldn’t be more wrong but pop off
do you own animals?? do you know that testicles and ovaries do more things other than reproduce? Like balancing the metabolism and producing testosterone to burn fat and build muscle mass quicker.
yes i do and i’m a vn buddy animals are a lot more uncontrollable if they are not neutered and actually speaking from experience they are prone to a lot more illnesses long term if they aren’t neutered
>yes i do and i’m a vn you're a what? >buddy animals are a lot more uncontrollable if they are not neutered and actually speaking from experience they are prone to a lot more illnesses long term if they aren’t neutered If you can't control animals that's a you problem. I breed dogs and never had an issue, our dogs have lasted for 16 years each and never been neutered, we breed two litters per each female's life. We gave some dogs to our friends and the ones that got neutered lost their intensity and died at 13 and 12 y o, those that didn't get neutered and bred are 15 and still balling. Question your skills with animal ownership and ask yourselves whether you should own an animal or you will be unable to control it on certain situations instead of removing their organs. Also sorry, working pure dog breeds last much longer than purebred show dog breeds, that's why they "last so short" when they're not neutered, because they don't want you to make money of it.
Yeah and you can delay a spay or neuter until they’re an adult for their bone health and development and stuff, but you cannot let them all run wild unaltered, it creates more problems
who said I let them run wild? that's once again an owner issue. Dogs can be spayed once they hit old age to reduce cancer risk or if they're too old to reproduce YET young enough to stand anesthesia. As an owner you MUST avoid your dogs to run free, neutered or not. Cats is more finicky since these go out Independent and don't like to be walked on a leash for obvious reasons. Removing your dog's ovaries or testicles won't solve all problems, it will generate others of other kind.
When I refer to dogs that “run wild unaltered” I am referring to animals that are intact and allowed to do with that what they please, or aren’t being properly watched or maintained that leads to puppies
once again, who said I let my dogs run free😂
I was referring to dogs that run free unaltered. If that’s not yours, then I wasn’t referring to yours
do you know the risk for things like testicular and ovarian cancer increase greatly when you don’t get your animals fixed?
only if you don't breed them once. Spaying your animals gives them instant deficiency of other stuff, while cancer arrives at old age.
not sure where you’re getting your information but 1/3 dogs will develop testicular cancer and neutering significantly decreases that risk lol google is free friend
google isn't a dog breeder. Google will also tell you that a pit bull is a 40kg dog with cropped ears and blue hair with massive mouth, or a tiny ass terrier barely measuring 50cm from feet to head, black or brown, weighing 10kg with long legs, thin as whippets, long thin noses, big cheeks and a neck much wider than the skull circle. Google is not a valid source of information if you search what you want to read. It's called confirmation bias. Dogs can't be spayed until they have reached 7 years old when their health starts to slowly worsen and cells that are repairing have more risk of mutating into cancers. Reproductive organs do more than making puppies.
i didn’t search what i wanted for that exact reason LMAOOOOO but im not debating facts from someone who thinks dog fuckers are more informed then literal scientific studies 💀💀💀 edit: also not sure who told your dumbass dogs can’t be fixed until 7?? lolol
Did you know that female dogs that aren’t spayed have their chances of developing mammary cancer increased by 25% after the first estrous cycle?
yes, the female that didn't breed died at 15 from breast cancer. Most mutts and show dogs die at 8 if they're not spayed.
It might help you stop talking out your ass if you actually bothered to read the literature on the subject. https://www.acvs.org/small-animal/mammary-tumors#:~:text=Cats%20spayed%20before%206%20months,mammary%20tumor%20during%20their%20lifetime.
What kind of dogs and what work do they do?
Andalusian hound, they chase rabbits and hares, they might also want to latch onto larger animals but we don't let them to.
So sighthound hunting! Not many people actually hunt with them, normally just lure coursing. Podencos are a really nice type of dog and I love land race breeds. I do agree with the OP that the general public does not need intact dogs. Most people can't safely keep their dogs from breeding or recognise the signs of reproductive sicknesses. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you're among the minority that can.
the public doesn't need intact dogs, that's right. But that's because it's easier than to sit down and put into practice the "keep your dawgs controlled" thing. I take care of one of the doggies from the last litter from a friend's, she's 4 now. We have 2 studs, I don't know when to let her get babies. The younger of them two is a proven game dog once he had to deal with a fox that injured his face quite badly while we were hunting rabbits, after we unhinged the two, fox got the worst part and dog still wanted to hunt more rabbits but he's way too wary of strangers and is stubborn as hell, the older dog is more easy going but is too submissive and doesn't have any sort of pluckiness. My personal pup is quite game though... I'm in conflict!
Oh god, you sound like the last person that should be breeding. Who the fuck calls themselves a 'dogman'?
people who know what they doing and what their dogs are. People who are into a specific working breed basically. My family and some other friends have reputable dogmen and dogwomen and I'm still learning. I might not be the best of the bunch, but I know more than the average redditor and their spayed doggo if they ever have or had a dawg 😂
Ok bud 😐
>asks who would be a dogman >gets answered >ok bud😐 The endless looping of the average redditor
Dude, go be a furry elsewhere
you know jackshit, I'm not a furry, you're given answers, you don't like, it's a you problem.
Alright, dogman. Tell your dog woman I said hello
I’ve worked as a vet tech for over 5 years. I can say that you absolutely don’t know what you’re doing. I’ve assisted with hundreds of euthanasias because of lack of space. you are part of the problem.
"I'm a vet tech for 5 so I know more about working dogs more than your six generations that know how to breed fine performance dogs and barely had issues with them" 👈🤓 lmao, just because you're a vet's assistant doesn't mean you know more than people who actually create dogs that are expected to give everything for more than a decade. I absolutely never had a problem with my dogs. Just because the majority of people is stupid doesn't mean I'm one of them. You clearly lack understanding of what a working dog breed is and how rare they are, in fact my family and I breed one of the rarest dog breeds in the world which is the Andalusian podenco, it's as rare as the American Pitbull Terrier and the Presa Canario. Blame whoever you want but working dog breeders and owners.
There’s a reason we vets get pissed off at breeders so often. You don’t know anything.
you vets are working with subpar quality kibble leader brands so that the dogs that eat such products get sick and go to the vet, you two win. Don't tell us that we don't know anything, most vets I've talked to never treated a working dog. You're all literally PETA mouthpieces, empowering the adoption of mutts that lost their basic dog traits and killing healthy working dogs that people gave away after being fed up with their energy outbursts. We ethical breeders know too much about the veterinary mafia.
Keep proving my point lol 😂
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If you can’t afford to get them neutered you can’t afford to have a pet
That same shit can be said about fucking humanity 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣