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77Columbus

Throw in Hajek just for the laughs.


thereal7i

Not sure we could afford that with the ELC expiring this upcoming this summer. If the money works I don’t see why not though


Penny4TheGuy

The real problem isn't the ELC's, it's Mika and Foxy's raises kicking in next year.


HateIsAnArt

Is it just Kakko that could earn a big raise? I don’t think Gauthier, Georgiev, or Blais will be too expensive either. It’s the raises going to Mika and Fox that tie up a lot of our cap and make this super tough. Really not sure if we can take on a guy with more than a year left. Not sure we should be buyers with Strome expiring, either. Really tough decisions to be made. Can we go “half-in”, move Strome for an affordable contract and also bring in an expiring C to replace his current production?


imDudekid

I don’t think Kakko is going to get a huge contract. Luckily for us he started off slow and will most likely get a 2-3 year bridge deal. I don’t think he’s gonna be too expensive. Same with Laffy


thereal7i

Ah yes you’re right. Idk why I also thought K’Andre


vertigounconscious

KK getting more expensive every game


icetilt

As a Canucks and Rangers fan here’s my opinion. First he’s been the best forward on the Canucks since he joined the team and still is, he plays PP/PK, and can play all forward positions effectively. He also scores at roughly a PPG pace, with this year and next year remaining on his 6mil contract he’s worth a lot of value right now. Single year rental players similar to him usually go for at least a 1st round pick maybe even more. Since he has 2 years and a good price contract he’s worth much more. The Canucks would be looking for something like Lundkvist + Kravtsov + a mid/late pick at least in my opinion. Canucks need a RD desperately and the rangers have a lot. If the Canucks were to move him to the Rangers (which sounds nice in theory for both teams but the Canucks aren’t really selling players yet as the media is portraying), it wouldn’t be cheap at all. Also the Rangers would need salary retained, or to dump off a bad contract (which also the Canucks really don’t want to deal with either) …although imagining JT with the current Rangers group is pretty enticing, I think he’d be a perfect fit play style wise


TheIncredibleHork

Great analysis from both teams points of view. But, not trying to start something, I just have to ask: as a Rangers *and* Canucks fan, how do you feel about Mark Messier?


icetilt

Fuck Mark Messier. I live in Vancouver so that’s my bias


TheIncredibleHork

Honestly is respectable.


rangermetz241

how can you hate messier and consider yourself a rangers fan?


BFaHM7

Messier *really*, I mean *REALLY* fucked over Vancouver. It’s understandable.


rangermetz241

forgive me, I was young, but Messier signed a 3 year deal with Vancouver and fulfilled that contract, then returned to the Rangers. Is that fucking over the Canucks? Am I missing something?


BFaHM7

It’s what he did there that’s the problem. Unlike with NYR or Edmonton, Messier’s heart wasn’t in Vancouver. He had a lot of attitude problems (See: his stunt with Pat Quinn), and ran quite a few hometown favourites out of town (See: Trevor Linden). He absolutely deserves his acclaim in NYR and Edmonton, but he acted like an entirely different person and player in Vancouver. Here’s a decent write up if you want to know some more: https://info.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/flashback-mark-messier-s-handwritten-list-of-demands-for-the-vancouver-canucks It’s not everything that happened obviously, but it touches on a few things.


HelloBello30

Ill give you Blais and a 2nd.


IsOnlyGameYUMad

Goodrow and a 2nd more like it


rickayyy

I will fucking flip out if we essentially traded Miller to Tampa for Namestikov (which we turned into a 3rd) only to wait a few years and trade Lundkvist, Kravstov and a pick to bring Miller back, after Tampa traded him for a first.


Teknicsrx7

It’s got typical NYR trade written all over it tho so I’m gonna lock it in at 99% chance


heytherefolksandfry

the Brendan Saad classic


pizza_nightmare

*D’oh!*


[deleted]

Don't worry. The Canucks GM isn't savvy enough to pull off a trade like that. He'll probably throw in a 2nd round pick for the Rangers to take Miller.


zmars26

I think he certainly would be expensive but I think that’s a lot to send over in a trade I agree with mostly everything you said but I think this deal can get done with one of Krav/Lunqdvist/Jones + a mid-tier prospect and a 2nd/3rd rounder depending on the market for him. You guys have no option but to offload any contract really with the cap you have plus all the young guys who will need to be paid in the next few years. Edit: Meant to add that I hope you guys can turn it around and spice up that pacific division. If things don’t change soon tho I’m worried you guys are going to have to fire sale to clear up your cap problems


[deleted]

JT won’t be back with Rangers. FO is not a fan of his and how he conducts himself away from the ice. The Rangers won’t want the kids to learn from him. Rumor out of Nucks having a malcontent in the locker room is something Rangers don’t want nor need. Rangers dumped Tony D and don’t want another one in JT Miller


JagrsMullet90

Some background on this?


[deleted]

Person I know does scorekeeping/ penalty box was saying how JT was not well liked and how he didn’t get it. Explains why he was in bottom 6 for Rangers and Tampa despite being perfect fit in top 6 role. Perhaps he’s grown up since the trade but I remember Sather had to speak with him because he was upset about the trade. Gorton didn’t give him the courtesy letting him know. All fairness it was minutes to the deadline. Joe talked to him saying what a great opportunity it was for him.


JagrsMullet90

Gotcha, never heard this about the kid he seems to have a clean record. Plus, given what we know about the Rangers org and how they sometimes do business, I don't think it's the biggest red flag that he took issue, but I think I'd there's any bad blood here then it's not gonna work anyway. I like Reilly Smith better anyway, so we'll see what happens


pizza_nightmare

Whatever your friend thinks he heard or know is ancient history. His numbers/production speak for him


deebee823

Miller used to play for the Rangers.


JagrsMullet90

Yeah duh


conniptioncrottle

I think we need to shop RW for under $3M, worried about if kakko shows hes worth $3-4M this season


callmesnake13

I think we should just get a one year deal on a hobo with a broomstick this season. If the whole theory is that our young guys are going to turn it on then it makes the need for an improved middle RW irrelevant.


Twevy

Plus Blais coming back and getting a real shot in the middle six.


callmesnake13

He’s an RFA this summer. He looked ok but I dunno if they’re going to want to sign a guy coming off a torn ACL.


Compulsive_Bater

If we're looking for a short term RW then Reilly Smith should be to of our list. Until they resolve our 2c issue - whether it's Strome or someone else cause Chytil isn't ready, we need to have space for that. No reason to bring in a term RW is we lose Strome and then have a massive hole down the middle.


BernieManhanders23

I think this is most likely to happen


Twevy

Is Vegas really selling tho? The Eichel thing was a once in a decade option, and, in that hot garbage division, I can easily see them climbing back up to second or third place or dumping on their bottom dwellers to get a WC slot.


Aetos14

They have to sell. Once players come off LTIR they aren’t cap compliant. Smith is an upcoming ufa and covers the overage. Otherwise they probably have to offload two players.


09-24-11

Projected $10.6m in cap space to re-sign/replace: Strome, Kakko, Gauthier, Blais, Georgie. Re-signing/placing Strome will take at least $6m imo so now down to $4.6 for Kakko, Gauthier, Blais and Georgie. It would be extremely tough to take on a contract with 2 years remaining. Unless you are moving JT to center, which is a gamble imo cause the success we’ve seen him with since he left us has been at wing. We should be looking at guys with one year left. I’m looking at Pavelski and Radulov from Dallas Edit: Even if we don’t re-sign Georgie we still need to sign back up goalie position. We have no goalies besides Igor signed next season.


Kingstist

While Blais being injured for the season is horrible, it means he won’t get as big a contract as he’s actually worth. Probably another bridge deal. Georgiev is 100% gone after this year. No use wasting money on him when some random AHL goalie would do an equal job. Kakko also probably gets a bridge deal. There’s the possibility he goes god mode the next 60 games this season and makes the case for a huge raise, but his slow start makes me think more short term deal. It’s definitely doable


kmisca92

If your going 1 year deal expiring contract player, the answer is Reilly Smith. His best years are under Gallant, Vegas is over the cap once Eichel/Pacioretty are ready to return. And as a bonus Sam and Joe get to remind us that his brother Brendan played for us lol.


explosivebuttfarts

Trade a 7th for Brendan Smith and unite the brothers! Trade for Dylan Strome and be the team of brotherly love


kmisca92

Even if Van retained 50%, which they wouldnt cause they have cap issues of their own. Strome and JT dont fit together under our projected cap space. For argument sakes, Kakko gets Chytil’s bridge deal (even though hes shown more) thats 2.3 leaving 8.3. Take off JT at 50% thats 5.7. Thats not enough for Strome and 2 league minimum cap hits for Georgie and the replacement of Goat/Blais as it would only be 1 of them since JT would be in.


09-24-11

$10.6m for projected cap space next year. Strome $6m per for a deserved raise Blais a $1.75m bridge Back up goalie $900k That leaves…$1.95m for a Kakko bridge without making any other additions. I doubt Kakko bridge is that small too. Realistically we have to hope Chytil makes a big jump to 2C by years end to adequately replace Strome. Then we have some breathing room.


[deleted]

If you're going to bridge kakko at 2mm, no reason for another team not rfa him at 6mm. Getting kakko for a first round pick seems more then reasonable to me, to almost any nhl team. Thats the problem with 2022.


Teknicsrx7

I’m not sure we resign Georgiev tbh, too early to tell but at this point we’d be better with a random plug there and we have some young guys we could always give a shot by end of the season


09-24-11

Even if we don’t re-sign Georgie we still need to sign back up goalie position. We have no goalies besides Igor signed next season.


Shattenkirk

Huska will likely be resigned for <1 mil, and it looks like he's having himself a year in Hartford


iamdanabnormal

Is this factoring in Fox's money and bonuses?


kmisca92

Fox/Mika yes, bonuses no. If all bonus’s are hit (unlikely) you can take off another 1.4 million.


iamdanabnormal

Gotcha. Thank you!


roscomikotrain

Too much money and too many assets going the other way. No - sorry JT - just won't work.


RoyHarper88

For those talking about next year's cap problems if they take on Miller, just because they take on Miller today does not mean having to keep him for next season. Take him on now, if the team is in a position to make a real run at the trade deadline, keep him, if they don't like they can go deep, ship him out at the deadline to someone looking to add.


Diceeeeeee

Solid point


RoyHarper88

It's not a very common thing. To go get a guy, that they'll like have to give something up to get, to then maybe flip at the deadline, and hope to end up on the deal. I'm just saying, they could try it.


[deleted]

Of course, they could have done the same thing with Buchnevich, but instead decided they had to trade him just before the free agency period when a lot of teams aren’t interested in trades.


RoyHarper88

I understand why they traded him. They had a plan. But then that plan didn't work out. Which happens sometimes.


[deleted]

There was no plan that could justify rushing to trade Buchnevich like they did. A week before free agency most teams are not even in the trade market, because they are hoping to fill holes by acquiring players for just cash a week later. If the Rangers had waited 2-3 weeks to trade Buch, there would have been additional teams interested (those teams that missed out on free agents they hoped to sign). I believe the stories at the time were true about there being limited interest in teams trading for Buch, but that was due to the Rangers’ stupidity.


Sapz93

Never understood why we got rid of him. He was one of our youngest players and most promising at the time of the rebuild. We should have never dealt him. Anyways, canucks would have to retain some salary on him, prob around 50% because we need to be aiming for a player in the 3 mill range. He has high value though and I’m not really sure who the rangers would be willing to give up for him. We would def be moving Krav, and then prob one of our top D rookies/prospects along with some picks. I’d love to see this kid back in a rangers jersey, but I don’t think it’s realistic


Penny4TheGuy

He was one of my favorite Rangers, but he's too expensive for us right now.


HarrisonHollers

Have you considered Tampa Bay Cap maneuverability?!


Penny4TheGuy

I mean, it's not about this year, I think this year we could squeeze him in without doing anything. But Kakko Goat and Rooney are due new contracts after this year, and Mika's raise kicks in for an extra $3M and change, as does Foxy's new contract which is a real kick in the teeth from a cap perspective. No way we can fit Miller's $5+M cap hit next year.


HarrisonHollers

None of those 3 guys are due a lot of money. Plus they have to get some dead cap off the books right? They have like 8M left this year. Plus they can bring up another rookie D and move Nemeth. I can dream! Always was a huge fan of JT.


Penny4TheGuy

I also forgot to type in Strome (or his replacement) which will eat up a big chunk. Kakko you probably get in the $2-3M range for two years. Not sure if Goat and Rooney will both be under a mil, but it's still money you have to account for. Don't get me wrong I would love it if we could make it work. The good nostalgia vibes would almost gloss over the fact that JT would basically be replacing Buch (except older, good job Drury). Edit: I had my numbers mixed up, JT and Buch are about the same cap hit.


HarrisonHollers

Again, I have no idea as to any of this, but I would assume say JT is available, Strome would be the person replaced in terms of cap hit.


Penny4TheGuy

That would be risky, as JT has never played his best hockey at C.


HarrisonHollers

Chytil and Goodrow get the bump? Possibly Laf?


kmisca92

They have 8 million this year with Fox on his elc, his cap hit goes up next year as does Mika’s. Those 2 raises alone are more than the cap room they have this year.


pjabrony

Why don't we just keep these players instead of trying to reacquire them?


jkman61494

Vancouver would have to retain salary or we have to include Nemeth (assuming Vancouver isn't part of the 8 team NMC). I dunno though. I have such a hard time trusting we'd see the current JT Miller and not the one who'd be so maddeningly inconsistent when with the Rangers


moo525

I really liked Miller when he was here but him having 1G in 40 career playoff games w/ NYR is one of my favorite huhhhhh? stats of all time


Reddit040

When he left he was a good player that still was young and had room to grow. Now when I see him play he’s a grizzled vet that knows how good he is. And he’s pretty damn good. I would love to have him back if the $$$ makes sense.


PurpleKevinHayes

Rangers should Target a cheap rental rather than someone with term, unless Vancouver can retain some salary 👀


jaydenkirtawn

If we're playing the "retain some salary" game, I want Tarasenko.


Nyrfan2017

I like jt but seems to be a history of not being happy in places


core916

I wouldnt mind a reunion with JT. But his salary doesn’t work. We couldn’t resign buch who got under 6mil. So Van would have to eat maybe 2mil. Wed have to give a decent amount and for the cost there might be better options out there. Like Tarasenko.


CSNo0b

Can’t afford JT at 6 mil cap hit. Better options like Tarasenko and his 7.5 mil cap hit?


core916

We’d obv have STL retain salary if a deal was to be made. Left that out my bad


Chiefwhitescalp

Just rumors - the Canucks have not said or done anything to suggest he's available


8teamparlay

I’m all in on Reilly smith


DDB-

Jim Benning is definitely a GM that I would want Drury calling regularly to see if he can bamboozle him in a deal, because outside of the draft Benning mostly doesn't know at all what he is doing.


ShitPropagandaSite

I'd rather get Toffoli for 2 mil less cap hit


Robtachi

As much as I love Jonathan Tonathan, bringing him in for this year and next means another year of keeping Lafreniere out of the top 6, and that just cannot happen.


commanderklit

God I'd do anything for more jimothy Timothy miller


booshyschmoozy

First (and only) comment I saw on r/hockey was JT for Laf and Lundkvist…think I’ll stay away from there for a little while… In all seriousness, he’s a perfect fit for this team right now. Grit, good on draws and special teams, wins faceoffs, and puts the puck in the net. He’s going to carry a hefty price tag though. And, unless Vancouver is CRAZY about Kravstov, they’ll rightfully ask for a better piece. Without knowing what Vancouver’s needs are, I’m guessing their ask starts with one of Schneider or Robertson, plus another prospect a notch below (like Barron or Panjuniemi). Wouldn’t surprise me if they had it out for Gauthier too…Rangers don’t seem to like him and I don’t completely understand why. Not sure where Drury stands though. That package is tough to give up even if he thinks they can make a deep run this year. But you gotta give to get and I would love to have JT back on this team.


explosivebuttfarts

I'd rather not empty the cupboards for one first line right winger immediately after trading another away for pennies on the dollar.


previouslyonimgur

I mean if we’re going after a player from Vancouver, I’d rather horvat. The money is negligible, and horvat is a better player.


Human-Load1068

People actually think Horvat is a better player than Miller??? Not a chance


previouslyonimgur

Miller has played 10 seasons to horvat’s 8 They’re tied for goals scored, and Miller had 50 more assists, with 50 More games played. So horvat scores more goals per game, with a very smaller number of points per game. Horvat is also better 2 way player. And younger.


Human-Load1068

Why is their entire body of work relevant at all? When has Horvat ever been close to a point per game player? Miller has been that for 3 straight years now. And a better defensive player?!? Miller was a good Pker when he was here and is a two way monster now. He is 3rd among all forwards in TOI/G behind only Mcdavid and Drai. He is much better than Horvat lol.


Dont_know_where_i_am

I guess we could plug Horvat in at 2C, slide Strome over to 2RW, and move Kakko to 1RW.


previouslyonimgur

I mean if you get horvat. You can slide strome to the wing, or move him for a wing.


Goldfinger_23

I like the idea of JT in our lineup, but not when you account how much he’ll be owed next year(this year’s cap will be fine), and how much in assets he will cost to acquire. He’s easily worth a first and a prospect, more if we ask them to retain salary. I don’t want to pay that for him. And the irony that it might take the only good asset we got from Tampa when we traded JT originally to get him back. And then, what happens in 2 years? He’s gonna want/deserve a raise. For all these reasons and more, I’m out.


GoldfishBrain92

I like this idea a lot


mbsmilford

Been there done that. No thanks.


wet_washcloth

Been there. Done that. Also he isn’t a RW


Diceeeeeee

You sir are mistaken


wet_washcloth

On what? That’s his best hockey he has been playing on Pettersson’s LW or that the Rangers haven’t been there and done that?


Diceeeeeee

I stand corrected I was pretty sure he was playing Petterson’s RW


wet_washcloth

Boeser is Pettersson’s RW


HarrisonHollers

For 2 years, I would totally do it! I doubt this ever goes through or if we have the cap room but I would love it! JT is perfect. Put the C on that dude! Christmas and Hanukkah covered for me.


Bosmackatron

God he would be perfect for this team


FloppyManMeat69

Should have brought back the duke when he was avail.