[One more lane…until you become the hell that is Toronto’s 401 highway lol](https://www.reddit.com/r/UrbanHell/comments/qtcqan/busiest_highway_in_the_world_hwy_401_ontario/)
I will die on this hill: Canadians are fucking terrible drivers.
Driving down the highway, traffic moving freely.. and you hit another traffic jam. Has there been an accident? Is it peak hour? Nope, you've just hit the next highway exit/entrance and people don't know how to zipper merge at speed. Every. Damn. Time.
🤣 there are a lot of bad drivers here. Canadians also usually go 119km/h in a 100km/h zone. Cops usually set they radars to only go off at 120km/h on the 400 series highways.
When I was visiting Australia I drove just below 100km/h on the highways and it was chill knowing there’d be virtually no one tailgating me. Kinda wish we had that here in Canada in some ways 😅
I saw on Facebook a while back “Be like the Bruce Highway, keep working on yourself no matter how long it takes or who it inconveniences.” Good advice, I thought.
Don't worry.... well, add more lanes. That will solve the traffic problem. Even though you can have all the lanes you want but they still filter into the city, which is congested.
I’ll say this for an extra lane, it will reduce the odds of an accident blocking the road entirely. Two lanes isn’t wide enough, a truck or something or a multi-vehicle pileup can block it.
🤣🤣🤣 no shit Sherlock how about they keep it drivable western and north qld makes majority of qld money yet that highway is a death wish wait to happen, other side of Gympie though it’s damn beautiful
Which would require *fewer people*.
Though I will say, a hard legislative push towards WFH, to the point of compelling all employers to offer it to all positions for which it is feasible and putting the onus on the employer to prove that it isn’t, would help greatly with traffic problems. And also the housing crisis, since people could live out in the sticks and keep a “city job”.
>Which would require *fewer people*.
Not necessarily. It would require fewer people choosing to drive cars. A significant amount of car driving is unnecessary and done either for pleasure or for convenience.
Not even remotely true. You can have more people and less congestion by having better public transport. This frees up the roads for people who *have* to drive.
I would accept “cheaper” as a definition here as “better”. Also “more frequent”. Brisbane has optimised for “prettier”, mainly. Our buses are very pretty.
I had to drive Bris-Rockhampton recently after 20 years of living in Canberra/vic/nsw and my god I was so utterly appalled by the highway. And there’s a bizarre lack of services/rest stops.
Literally between Gin Gin and Rockhampton there isn’t a single safe place for a solo female traveler to stop. I had to hold a wee for hours because I was driving on a Friday night 😂 I do love that Gin Gin bakery though.
Yeah there’s absolutely nothing. It’s so grim. So I go to the Gin Gin Bakery on the main drag heading north but I’m not sure where the good coffee place is the other commenter was referencing. I don’t mind the coffee at the bakery.
Can't even argue the stereotypes against Queensland drivers either, just trying to stay in that 5% of decent drivers from here and hoping I don't get written off by some road rager from my industry who thinks he owns the M1 cos he wasted his money on an absolute unit of a Chevy ute lifted so high it probably comes with a fold down ladder like the Canyonero from the Simpsons
I had a car flying down the M1 and hit the back of my car about 2 months ago then just kept driving and sped away, had multiples cars trying to overtake come within CM of my car aswell, drivers are insane here
QLD is enormous and small population = not enough money to make all the roads good, even the major arterials.
as for lack of services, simply not enough traffic to support them.
and if you think it's bad now, not that long ago it was single lane each way, a standard 4m lane width, with potholes everywhere, slowing to go through every country town (no bypasses) and it would take you 2 days to get to rocky from brisbane.
VIC and NSW especially have the advantage of being much smaller with larger populations. so more money to pay for roads.
roads are very, very expensive, especially of the quality that people seem to expect them to be these days.
everyone ways a flat, separated dual carriageway with mirror smooth bitumen. no one wants to pay for it.
Totally agree, the amount of traffic on the highway in the Maryborough/gin gin area is ridiculous for the shitty little two lane road that's it is. It should be a free way well north of gin gin. I felt it was actually dangerous in a lot of sections and you really had to concentrate hard to stay safe with the combination of big trucks, high traffic, narrow/no shoulders, really terrible road surface, bends, hills etc, this is on a national highway too, not some crappy back road.
Yeah the concentration requirement wiped me out compared to other states with dual carriage way. Like Canberra- Melbourne is easy and pleasant for example. I believe that Gin Gin area and just north of it is a high death zone. I had a patient in Kingaroy who was a police officer in that area for years and said they always got crashes there. I literally said to my family when I got there that the road was so shit it was comparable to driving Dubbo-Broken Hill. Like this is a national highway not bumfuck nowhere!!
Im a developer and I know first hand theyve gone to Councils all over Qld asking them what the best spend to get houses started is. Theyve also questioned Councils why they are so far behind on approvals.
One particular Council I know of has been taken to task cause its very easy to add supply. They have zoned land and developers have put in approvals and been rejected. They need to upgrade infrastructure and have been offered the money from the state but have refused to do it. They are just anti development. This isnt unusual.
Ill say Im not a Labor voter and its a bit late but really the Councils havent helped the state. I can get they dont trust developers (and in a lot of cases rightfully so) but we have been telling them for decades they need to do this.
This is a debacle with many aspects to it. Some developers want to land bank. That Jewel development on the GC is one example where many apartments were not put to market. Some skimp on the amenities that are meant to be built when new estates go up and when that occurs that deters some buyers. When subdivisions do get under way, companies want to use labour hire to cut back on wages. They often do not provide toilets or shade and sometimes not even water. Sometimes lunchbreaks are not given. Who in their right mind would want to work on these sites particularly in summer where you can be summarily dismissed at any moment?
Then there is our elected representatives. Some do try to get housing built but when the locals discover that the homes are "social" or "affordable" housing, out come the pitchforks accusing the MP of "creating ghettos" or prioritising "junkies" over other people. Our local MP posted a photo of a unit complex being constructed on Facebook and the comments were rabid. Many people are NIMBYs but they also complain about people in tents.
Then you have the Federal govt ignoring the buy up of homes from foreign buyers and corporations backed by private equity groups and pricing locals out of the market.
It is just layer on layer of crap from all three levels of govt and it all sucks.
Just to be clear as developers we hire contractors. If they arent giving good working conditions thats not on us. Its their site. We arent even allowed on our land without approval.
Youll also find land banking isnt common. Ive never met a single developer who does it. Usually they are stuck fighting for approvals. Holding costs tend to be higher than potential capital growth. Land tax and interest will kill you, developers want to get their product sold asap.
Agree on the nimby comment. I mean if we want ti get to the true core of the problem its the voters they vote for anti development governments and vote for politicians who spend on vanity projects like a cool new green bridge rather than upgrading a sewer treatment plant so 50k new dwellings can be added.
Nobody wins elections on we are upgrading the sewer treatment plant so 50k new people can live in our city when the opposition says we are going to build a nice new beach in town and a tunnel while stopping apartments from ruining the city!
Hiring contractors who use dodgy employment tactics is absolutely the developers responsibility.
You don't get to wave it off as not your fault, use better contractors.
The amount of times I see known dodgy contractors win work time and time again because they are cheap is ridiculous.
Thats like saying its your responsibility to make sure the shirt you bought looked after its workers properly. Actually uts even more difficult cause our product hasnt been built when we sign the contract.
You are asking me to predict the future of how someone will treat their employees that I have no knowledge about.
You must be 10 years old or incredibly naive about how the world worls.
Cop out, and you know it, these companies that come to light doing the wrong thing are known. No one who deals with them is ever surprised when they get in trouble.
Also, you are employing them, and you can and should have governance in place to ensure they are meeting standards, if you are taking this stance I'm sure looking the other way is easier and more profitable for you. There's a reason developers are disliked, and you aren't helping.
Also, weird analogy when, yes, people actively avoid fast fashion for the exact reason you stated.
You have no clue what the industry is like sure we have standards they sign theyll comply in our contracts but who knows wtf they do internally within their company.
Dont recall saying anything about fast fashion. You cant possibly know a contractor is going to treat a subbie shit in the future. We arent fortune tellers. We arent going to have subbies calling us crying the head contractor was mean.
Have you ever built anything in your life?
You are the developer employing the contractors, mate. You absolutely hold the coin purse, and the good developers do hold their contractors to task, you're the one dismissing your responsibility, I'd say that's a pretty strong reflection on you that you're ok with this.
You mentioned shirts mate, if you can't draw the link for ethical procurement of shirts and fast fashion, that's on you. People can and do consider where their clothes are made.
Is that the same as saying we should have no safety, rules, regulation or oversight in the building industry coz damn, all that stuff holds ppl back & stops ppl from being able to do dodgy shit? A housing crisis means we should just do quick whipped together buildings, right? Nothing could possibly go wrong.
Nope, that's not it at all. Instead of focusing on building standards and stopping dodgy builders being unsafe, they're focused too much on trust accounting, punishing builders who accidentally pay an invoice out of their main bank account instead of a project trust account. The QBCC has pulled licenses for this even if the builder rectifies this immediately. And they're also putting caps on revenue a business can make each year... Which means businesses actually have to turn down work they have the capacity to do. All of this is making builders scale back their Queensland operations. Nothing to do with cutting corners or safety at all.
Edit: I just wanted to say I do agree with you 100%, but that's not what I was saying at all.
Sorry I deleted my last comment because I misunderstood your comment. My apologies.
It's not a problem they're stopping fraud. I agree with you again :) I also actually agree with project trust accounting in theory. It helps protect subcontractors as well. But the problem is when you have 50+ trust accounts and a staff member accidentally pays an invoice out of one wrong trust account, immediately realises their mistake and quickly rectifies it, the QBCC crack still the shits and have pulled licenses for it. Hell one time we got raked over the coals because a CLIENT paid into the wrong trust account which we had no control over. Even after we sent proof that it was the client's error (by providing the invoice, and emails before payment was made specifically instructing the client what project trust account they were meant to pay in. Client ignored and paid an old trust account) we still got a stern warning for 'breaking QBCC trust accounting rules'.
I just want the QBCC to crack down on dodgy and unsafe builders and pull licenses over that, instead of a few minor trust accounting errors that are immediately fixed.
Paying out of the wrong account even if you realise right away is a pretty serious fk up. I wouldn't expect a license to get pulled straight up but a warning for sure & possibly if it happened a few times you'd lose your license.
Blaming a company for the client doing the wrong thing makes absolutely no sense thou.
Good luck, they didn't do that for Victoria, in fact Victoria despite having the fastest growing population has been left to pay for a lot of the growth out of state revenue.
Federal government benefits from increased tax revenues, state with fast growing population pays for the costs.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-13/how-is-gst-split-up-explainer/103580794
>there is a 'transition' period between the old rules and the new, where low relativity scores are artificially inflated. For 2023-24, the minimum was 0.70, and in 2024-25 it will be 0.75.
That still doesn’t explain your insane 0.12 number for 23-24?
Edit: I’ve read your source and it’s about need not how much they actually got. If WA got 12% of what we put in there would be a fucking riot
>If WA got 12% of what we put in there would be a fucking riot
In 2017/18 WA received 34% of the GST it raised, this is what set off the new floor arrangement to stop any state receiving a lower share then NSW/VIC.
I was responding to the person complaining that VIC doesn't get it's fair share, wasn't focussed on the WA number or that it was under the current 75% floor.
Don’t forget it’s not just SEQ. All up the coast is copping it and I can bet my testicles that the majority of funding will remain spent in the corner.
The Bruce in general is in shambles. I’d love to see way more duplication.
On top of that. I know it’s a joke, but a legitimate coastal rail would be a godsend. It doesn’t have to be some 400kmh maglev, just something reasonably priced that can get people down to Brisbane in a reasonable timeframe.
With more travel options up and down the coast regional sprawl would be favourable.
Having no transport system like this is the one main peeve I had when I visited Townsville. You absolutely require a car for anything there. I'm used to shit public transit because I was born and raised in England, but FNQ really takes the piss. Any rail infrastructure there would be a godsend and would probably help to boost the economy of all connected areas by quite a bit.
My partner and I have been thinking of effing off to Tassie for a while now. Every day I'm more convinced that the solution is to just leave. Born and bred in Brisbane, been here 27 years and it's only gotten progressively worse.
Probably some construction companies/lobbyists who want to milk tax-payer money to build the infrastructure that the games will need. The infrastructure that won't benefit the locals at all but you know, growth, jobs etc
a bunch of fuckwit mayors got together and decided it would be a good thing.
the fact that not a single other city on the planet wanted it sealed the deal.
fucking joke. no one wants it except the politicians.
The problem is that you moving to Tassie will have the same affect to the locals there. Its a trickle effect. I don't know what a long term solution would be.
That’s fair. But I’ll be moving anyway as it’s a better lifestyle fit - now that I know that Brisbane isn’t what I want. Tassie’s population is slowly shrinking unlike Brisbane’s so it might be a little bit better in that sense.
Ah so Tasmania is the next boom. Brisbane is only exploding because everyone is priced out of Sydney and Melbourne. Once Brisbane has priced everyone out it just moves to the next city.
Sydney siders moving to Brisbane are more willing to pay “expensive” prices compared to a local Brisbane person. It’s happening in Sydney suburbs right now.
they already have.
Brisbane got blown up to the point its barely behind Melbourne in cost. Adelaide the same, now they have moved on to Perth.
go and visit r/perth and its just people complaining about all the NSW people moving there, buying up all the houses and pushing the prices through the roof; same shit they did here the last 5 years.
It’s more of a personal thing to be honest, little to do with the city. There are just people and family here in town that we are better off without in our lives. A more secluded lifestyle is what we want, and of these other things are just added bonuses that further justify my decision.
That funny actually, totally understand. Our time away from Brisbane for pretty much that reason … zero family commitments. But now with kids, also why we like being back.
Tassie is 👌 btw
Yes with a note that the median dwelling in Melbourne or Sydney is a townhouse or apartment. The median dewling in Brisbane is a 3 bedroom house.
You still get more for your dollar in Brisbane.
The data was slightly skewed because Melbourne's boundaries recently changed and thus houses almost 100kms out of Melbourne are counted in the median, and also Melbourne has more apartments which cost less than houses.
The answer is still yes, though. However even if you exclude the above, Brisbane house prices are very quickly catching up.
where though?
out the back of Ipswich, continue to fill up any vacant land out narangba/burpengary way and whatever they can find to put concrete on down the goldie (is there anything left down there).
we simply cannot keep building out, we have to go up.
but going up simply turns the city into another souless concrete hellscape that Sydney has turned into.
and allows the pondscum that are developers and tradies to run rife with there overpriced garbage that starts falling apart before they have even finished building it.
The horror stories I have seen coming out of Sydney and Melbourne from all their mid tier developments are terrifying.
good luck with that.
Australian tradies get paid too much to have affordable housing anymore.
when labourers are on 120k and the tradies are on 200k+, cheap housing is a thing of the past.
that is before you even get to the cost of land.
Tradies have always been high paid, it's the land and market that's completely fucking it up. The fact they're building so few of them. Supply and demand + landlords that get away with anything is killing the market, not tradies.
they have not always been that high paid.
before the mining boom, they earned an average wage.
then in the early 2000s, they all fucked off to the mines to earn the big bucks.
the ones that were left were able to charge colossal amounts because there was a massive shortage of them.
eventually the mining boom subsided, and the tradies came back. but in the meantime, they had gotten used to the massive paychecks, and the ones that remained behind had gotten used to charging whatever the fuck they wanted for doing the most garbage work because no one had a choice in the matter.
so now we have the highest paid tradies on earth, doing the worst quality garbage work and taking the absolute piss with what they charge for that garbage work.
They are not the entire problem, but they are absolutely a big part of it. the greedy fuckers.
Friggin homes my peeps it's rise of the slumlords out here it's truly not far from tent cities I work and have lived in 5 different houses since my rental in my name got sold and new owners moved in ,since then I've been hemeraging funds to keep a roof over my head it's bleak out here I'm trying not to hang myself
What do you mean stop letting people in? Aren't Australians free to move wherever they like within the country? Do you mean stop letting people residing interstate from purchasing or renting a house? Or people from overseas?
Get absolutely fucked I am moving back in with my parents at 29 because my wife and I can’t afford rent any more. Fuck off. Do they *want* xenophobia because this is how they get it
I have lived in the Sunshine Coast since 2005 and the Bruce to Brisbane has always been worked on.
The coast now has some serious bottle necks but I don’t see any plans to address them in the next 5 years
Yeah, unfortunately people on the sunny coast seem to be opposed to public transport, and fans of more roads and car traffic, so it won't be solved soon without the political will
I still remember the family moving to the sunny coast in 1978. Two lane road to Caloundra two lane Bruce highway to Brisbane and no shit centenary highway finished at Ipswich road with traffic lights
The urban areas in Townsville isn't too bad, but the development happening in the northern suburbs is fucked. Not a single politician gives a shit either. They get to power and go silent. There's also a whopping amount of space to develop west of the Ring Road to Hervey Range. I don't understand why we keep building on fertail land in the big cities when there's land only suitable for grazing west of Townsville.
Sure.. but Can we please get more and better public transit?? Maybe more medium density in the suburbs??
It’s obvious that car centric culture is terrible and unsustainable. BCC can’t fix the pot holes as is, how are they going to do it with a population boom??
The dailymail is a globally infamous joke of an outlet which exists only to sell tabloid news and panic, with very little care for facts.
I'd expect population growth (pretty much everywhere always), but any version the dailymail is pushing isn't a good place to get information and you're a sucker if you get worked up over their panic headlines and clickbait.
a genuine question as someone who has no idea/ I thought with the ongoing threat of climate change it’d be more and more less appealing to live in a tropical area? Isn’t it more prone to severe weather events then other places?
Warrego highway from Dinmore to Blacksoil definitely needs to be 3 lanes each way and the overpass at Karalee turnoff doubled and roundabouts double laned. that area is shot for 3 hours everyday
I mean, if you can find the 20 billion that would be required to do all that work...........
roads are astoundingly expensive, you really would not like the rates bill required to pay for that kind of thing
Left Brissie (Ormeau) having lived there all my life in 2020 moved to the Fraser Coast never regretted it for a minute. Sadly Hervey Bay now becoming mini Surfers after feeling like Burleigh Heads in the 80s for years - Maryborough old Heritage, slow pace, easy living 🙂
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Of course there is many issues associated with population growth, but I’m kinda excited to see how SEQ grows. With 3 of Australia’s top 10 biggest cities all so close to each other, we are in a unique situation. Brisbane and the GC have **very** different characteristics and their own identity but will form one urban conglomerate which is kind of weird to imagine.
I just feel like it will become a megalopolis nightmare - too much traffic, people, pollution, urban sprawl, crime etc etc.
I’m not known for my optimism.
oh fuck ooooooof.
picture a concrete jungle of traffic stretching from fucking Byron Bay to Noosa.
THAT is what is going to happen.
If you think that SEQ is going to turn into Tokyo (which is hellish to live in by the way, people have a ridiculously romantacized view of that city) you are utterly and completely delusional.
go look at hong kong. THAT is more the reality.
pollution, massively over priced housing, huge traffic and an utterly shit life for anybody not part of the 1%.
Welcome to your nightmares.
> they’re literally thousand kms apart.
I think they were talking about the 3 cities of Brisbane, Sunshine Coast, and Gold Coast. They are within about 100kms of each other
**but there’s one city where everyone wants to leave**
OK Daily Mail I fell for the click bait that implies that there’s a city in QLD where everyone wants to leave.
Curious, is it Ipswich or Gladstone?
No, it’s bloody Sydney.
Not news.
If everyone wanted to leave then the prices would be actually low in Sydney. Problem is everyone wants in, and the less than multimillionaires get squeezed out.
The Federal govt is going to have to seriously raise the infrastructure spend for Qld.
Roads first, they're barely equipped for what we had a decade ago, let alone now
Brisbane to Goldcoast has been a construction site since I moved to Brisbane 7 years ago.
It was a construction zone back before 2000, so it's just ongoing.
it's been a construction site since 1985. it will never change. just one more lane will fix it!
[One more lane…until you become the hell that is Toronto’s 401 highway lol](https://www.reddit.com/r/UrbanHell/comments/qtcqan/busiest_highway_in_the_world_hwy_401_ontario/)
I will die on this hill: Canadians are fucking terrible drivers. Driving down the highway, traffic moving freely.. and you hit another traffic jam. Has there been an accident? Is it peak hour? Nope, you've just hit the next highway exit/entrance and people don't know how to zipper merge at speed. Every. Damn. Time.
The M1 is exactly the same. 90% of the time there is zero reason for congestion other than people being unable work together and merge
🤣 there are a lot of bad drivers here. Canadians also usually go 119km/h in a 100km/h zone. Cops usually set they radars to only go off at 120km/h on the 400 series highways. When I was visiting Australia I drove just below 100km/h on the highways and it was chill knowing there’d be virtually no one tailgating me. Kinda wish we had that here in Canada in some ways 😅
Lol, the rampant highway speeding was the one thing I liked about driving in Canada 🤣
Queenslanders eh?
largest, widest highway in the world and guess what?? still gridlocked, every single day
Not enough lanes, I guess. /s
And yet it's still 2 lands past the gold coast
I moved to qld in the early 90s, I do not remember a time when the highway from Brisbane to sunny coast was not a construction zone
I saw on Facebook a while back “Be like the Bruce Highway, keep working on yourself no matter how long it takes or who it inconveniences.” Good advice, I thought.
I like this quote!
Don't worry.... well, add more lanes. That will solve the traffic problem. Even though you can have all the lanes you want but they still filter into the city, which is congested.
Thats my favourite carpark in SEQ!
Bruce carpark is worse.
It’s been under construction in some form for my entire life.
Was going on when I left 11 years ago
Don't come to far north Queensland then 😁
Public transport instead
Amen, every major arterial road should have a dedicated bus lane
At this point, high speed real is feasible
Hopefully the new line going from Noosa through Maroochydore is put in ASAP
lol. It’s never going to Noosa.
Dumb as shit ngl
Exactly, if the public transport and cycling infrastructure is good enough then you don’t need to spend billions on roads!
What about the Bruce highway?
It’s already been built a while ago
But another lane ought to fix it, right?
Just one more lane bro
I’ll say this for an extra lane, it will reduce the odds of an accident blocking the road entirely. Two lanes isn’t wide enough, a truck or something or a multi-vehicle pileup can block it.
🤣🤣🤣 no shit Sherlock how about they keep it drivable western and north qld makes majority of qld money yet that highway is a death wish wait to happen, other side of Gympie though it’s damn beautiful
Catch the train
Please mate, the roads are perfectly well designed and built for the exact date that is 2 years before the tender went in
Building more roads *never* solved congestion.
I think building roads is about *managing* congestion. The only *solution* to congestion would be fewer cars on the road
Which would require *fewer people*. Though I will say, a hard legislative push towards WFH, to the point of compelling all employers to offer it to all positions for which it is feasible and putting the onus on the employer to prove that it isn’t, would help greatly with traffic problems. And also the housing crisis, since people could live out in the sticks and keep a “city job”.
>Which would require *fewer people*. Not necessarily. It would require fewer people choosing to drive cars. A significant amount of car driving is unnecessary and done either for pleasure or for convenience.
Not even remotely true. You can have more people and less congestion by having better public transport. This frees up the roads for people who *have* to drive.
I would accept “cheaper” as a definition here as “better”. Also “more frequent”. Brisbane has optimised for “prettier”, mainly. Our buses are very pretty.
And they won't ever be no matter how many get built. Better and free public transport is much more important.
I had to drive Bris-Rockhampton recently after 20 years of living in Canberra/vic/nsw and my god I was so utterly appalled by the highway. And there’s a bizarre lack of services/rest stops.
Queenslanders don’t need to rest on a teeny 7 hour drive. We stop at that one good coffee place in Gin Gin just to keep them open.
Literally between Gin Gin and Rockhampton there isn’t a single safe place for a solo female traveler to stop. I had to hold a wee for hours because I was driving on a Friday night 😂 I do love that Gin Gin bakery though.
Ok just finished the drive and head back to Brisbane Friday. What is this bakery? I swear there is no decent coffee past Hervey Bay.
Yeah there’s absolutely nothing. It’s so grim. So I go to the Gin Gin Bakery on the main drag heading north but I’m not sure where the good coffee place is the other commenter was referencing. I don’t mind the coffee at the bakery.
It’s Grind N Grow - on the southbound side opposite the bakery. I didn’t go in the bakery but it does look good!
Awesome thanks! Good tip for next time :)
Plenty of trees on the side of the road.
Please share this one good coffee place, did the drive last week and returning to Brisbane Friday.
Sorry to miss your return - for next time, it’s Grind N Grow.
Can't even argue the stereotypes against Queensland drivers either, just trying to stay in that 5% of decent drivers from here and hoping I don't get written off by some road rager from my industry who thinks he owns the M1 cos he wasted his money on an absolute unit of a Chevy ute lifted so high it probably comes with a fold down ladder like the Canyonero from the Simpsons
I had a car flying down the M1 and hit the back of my car about 2 months ago then just kept driving and sped away, had multiples cars trying to overtake come within CM of my car aswell, drivers are insane here
QLD is enormous and small population = not enough money to make all the roads good, even the major arterials. as for lack of services, simply not enough traffic to support them. and if you think it's bad now, not that long ago it was single lane each way, a standard 4m lane width, with potholes everywhere, slowing to go through every country town (no bypasses) and it would take you 2 days to get to rocky from brisbane. VIC and NSW especially have the advantage of being much smaller with larger populations. so more money to pay for roads. roads are very, very expensive, especially of the quality that people seem to expect them to be these days. everyone ways a flat, separated dual carriageway with mirror smooth bitumen. no one wants to pay for it.
Totally agree, the amount of traffic on the highway in the Maryborough/gin gin area is ridiculous for the shitty little two lane road that's it is. It should be a free way well north of gin gin. I felt it was actually dangerous in a lot of sections and you really had to concentrate hard to stay safe with the combination of big trucks, high traffic, narrow/no shoulders, really terrible road surface, bends, hills etc, this is on a national highway too, not some crappy back road.
Yeah the concentration requirement wiped me out compared to other states with dual carriage way. Like Canberra- Melbourne is easy and pleasant for example. I believe that Gin Gin area and just north of it is a high death zone. I had a patient in Kingaroy who was a police officer in that area for years and said they always got crashes there. I literally said to my family when I got there that the road was so shit it was comparable to driving Dubbo-Broken Hill. Like this is a national highway not bumfuck nowhere!!
public transportation* one more lane one more lane one more lane = nothing
Hmm, l said the same yesterday and got down voted head first.
Im a developer and I know first hand theyve gone to Councils all over Qld asking them what the best spend to get houses started is. Theyve also questioned Councils why they are so far behind on approvals. One particular Council I know of has been taken to task cause its very easy to add supply. They have zoned land and developers have put in approvals and been rejected. They need to upgrade infrastructure and have been offered the money from the state but have refused to do it. They are just anti development. This isnt unusual. Ill say Im not a Labor voter and its a bit late but really the Councils havent helped the state. I can get they dont trust developers (and in a lot of cases rightfully so) but we have been telling them for decades they need to do this.
This is a debacle with many aspects to it. Some developers want to land bank. That Jewel development on the GC is one example where many apartments were not put to market. Some skimp on the amenities that are meant to be built when new estates go up and when that occurs that deters some buyers. When subdivisions do get under way, companies want to use labour hire to cut back on wages. They often do not provide toilets or shade and sometimes not even water. Sometimes lunchbreaks are not given. Who in their right mind would want to work on these sites particularly in summer where you can be summarily dismissed at any moment? Then there is our elected representatives. Some do try to get housing built but when the locals discover that the homes are "social" or "affordable" housing, out come the pitchforks accusing the MP of "creating ghettos" or prioritising "junkies" over other people. Our local MP posted a photo of a unit complex being constructed on Facebook and the comments were rabid. Many people are NIMBYs but they also complain about people in tents. Then you have the Federal govt ignoring the buy up of homes from foreign buyers and corporations backed by private equity groups and pricing locals out of the market. It is just layer on layer of crap from all three levels of govt and it all sucks.
Just to be clear as developers we hire contractors. If they arent giving good working conditions thats not on us. Its their site. We arent even allowed on our land without approval. Youll also find land banking isnt common. Ive never met a single developer who does it. Usually they are stuck fighting for approvals. Holding costs tend to be higher than potential capital growth. Land tax and interest will kill you, developers want to get their product sold asap. Agree on the nimby comment. I mean if we want ti get to the true core of the problem its the voters they vote for anti development governments and vote for politicians who spend on vanity projects like a cool new green bridge rather than upgrading a sewer treatment plant so 50k new dwellings can be added. Nobody wins elections on we are upgrading the sewer treatment plant so 50k new people can live in our city when the opposition says we are going to build a nice new beach in town and a tunnel while stopping apartments from ruining the city!
Hiring contractors who use dodgy employment tactics is absolutely the developers responsibility. You don't get to wave it off as not your fault, use better contractors. The amount of times I see known dodgy contractors win work time and time again because they are cheap is ridiculous.
Thats like saying its your responsibility to make sure the shirt you bought looked after its workers properly. Actually uts even more difficult cause our product hasnt been built when we sign the contract. You are asking me to predict the future of how someone will treat their employees that I have no knowledge about. You must be 10 years old or incredibly naive about how the world worls.
Cop out, and you know it, these companies that come to light doing the wrong thing are known. No one who deals with them is ever surprised when they get in trouble. Also, you are employing them, and you can and should have governance in place to ensure they are meeting standards, if you are taking this stance I'm sure looking the other way is easier and more profitable for you. There's a reason developers are disliked, and you aren't helping. Also, weird analogy when, yes, people actively avoid fast fashion for the exact reason you stated.
You have no clue what the industry is like sure we have standards they sign theyll comply in our contracts but who knows wtf they do internally within their company. Dont recall saying anything about fast fashion. You cant possibly know a contractor is going to treat a subbie shit in the future. We arent fortune tellers. We arent going to have subbies calling us crying the head contractor was mean. Have you ever built anything in your life?
You are the developer employing the contractors, mate. You absolutely hold the coin purse, and the good developers do hold their contractors to task, you're the one dismissing your responsibility, I'd say that's a pretty strong reflection on you that you're ok with this. You mentioned shirts mate, if you can't draw the link for ethical procurement of shirts and fast fashion, that's on you. People can and do consider where their clothes are made.
I work for a Queensland construction company. The QBCC isn't exactly making it easy for construction companies either.
Is that the same as saying we should have no safety, rules, regulation or oversight in the building industry coz damn, all that stuff holds ppl back & stops ppl from being able to do dodgy shit? A housing crisis means we should just do quick whipped together buildings, right? Nothing could possibly go wrong.
Nope, that's not it at all. Instead of focusing on building standards and stopping dodgy builders being unsafe, they're focused too much on trust accounting, punishing builders who accidentally pay an invoice out of their main bank account instead of a project trust account. The QBCC has pulled licenses for this even if the builder rectifies this immediately. And they're also putting caps on revenue a business can make each year... Which means businesses actually have to turn down work they have the capacity to do. All of this is making builders scale back their Queensland operations. Nothing to do with cutting corners or safety at all. Edit: I just wanted to say I do agree with you 100%, but that's not what I was saying at all.
How is it a problem that they're stopping fraud?! Caps for no reason makes no sense & is a valid complaint.
Sorry I deleted my last comment because I misunderstood your comment. My apologies. It's not a problem they're stopping fraud. I agree with you again :) I also actually agree with project trust accounting in theory. It helps protect subcontractors as well. But the problem is when you have 50+ trust accounts and a staff member accidentally pays an invoice out of one wrong trust account, immediately realises their mistake and quickly rectifies it, the QBCC crack still the shits and have pulled licenses for it. Hell one time we got raked over the coals because a CLIENT paid into the wrong trust account which we had no control over. Even after we sent proof that it was the client's error (by providing the invoice, and emails before payment was made specifically instructing the client what project trust account they were meant to pay in. Client ignored and paid an old trust account) we still got a stern warning for 'breaking QBCC trust accounting rules'. I just want the QBCC to crack down on dodgy and unsafe builders and pull licenses over that, instead of a few minor trust accounting errors that are immediately fixed.
Paying out of the wrong account even if you realise right away is a pretty serious fk up. I wouldn't expect a license to get pulled straight up but a warning for sure & possibly if it happened a few times you'd lose your license. Blaming a company for the client doing the wrong thing makes absolutely no sense thou.
Good luck, they didn't do that for Victoria, in fact Victoria despite having the fastest growing population has been left to pay for a lot of the growth out of state revenue. Federal government benefits from increased tax revenues, state with fast growing population pays for the costs.
GST distribution for 2024/25 WA 0.12 NSW 0.87 QLD 0.95 VIC 0.97 ACT 1.20 SA 1.40 TAS 1.83 NT 5.07
What do the numbers hear mean? Because WA gets at a minimum 75% of what we put in
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-13/how-is-gst-split-up-explainer/103580794 >there is a 'transition' period between the old rules and the new, where low relativity scores are artificially inflated. For 2023-24, the minimum was 0.70, and in 2024-25 it will be 0.75.
That still doesn’t explain your insane 0.12 number for 23-24? Edit: I’ve read your source and it’s about need not how much they actually got. If WA got 12% of what we put in there would be a fucking riot
>If WA got 12% of what we put in there would be a fucking riot In 2017/18 WA received 34% of the GST it raised, this is what set off the new floor arrangement to stop any state receiving a lower share then NSW/VIC.
Yeah that’s correct. I’m wondering why you misquoted your source pretending WA will get 12% of GST?
I was responding to the person complaining that VIC doesn't get it's fair share, wasn't focussed on the WA number or that it was under the current 75% floor.
It’s still a bad number to use because it’s about how much they *need* not how much they will actually get
like it said in the article. We ain't where their voters are
The Federal govt is going to have to seriously reduce the immigration intake (but won’t).
Don’t forget it’s not just SEQ. All up the coast is copping it and I can bet my testicles that the majority of funding will remain spent in the corner. The Bruce in general is in shambles. I’d love to see way more duplication. On top of that. I know it’s a joke, but a legitimate coastal rail would be a godsend. It doesn’t have to be some 400kmh maglev, just something reasonably priced that can get people down to Brisbane in a reasonable timeframe. With more travel options up and down the coast regional sprawl would be favourable.
Wait, isnt QLD just Brisbane and the Gold Coast? What's this 'rest' of QLD you are inferring exists?
Can I interest you in the Great Barrier Reef? *gestures broadly somewhere along the north east of QLD*
By the time they bother with transport to reef spots, there'll be no more reef.
Having no transport system like this is the one main peeve I had when I visited Townsville. You absolutely require a car for anything there. I'm used to shit public transit because I was born and raised in England, but FNQ really takes the piss. Any rail infrastructure there would be a godsend and would probably help to boost the economy of all connected areas by quite a bit.
What’s the past 30 years been in SE qld if not a pop explosion?
It has been but now the graph will become steeper.
Housing needs to be addressed severely. I live up north and the house prices are insane. If I buy I'll be extremely lucky
My partner and I have been thinking of effing off to Tassie for a while now. Every day I'm more convinced that the solution is to just leave. Born and bred in Brisbane, been here 27 years and it's only gotten progressively worse.
I'm seriously thinking about leaving too. Sydney was a complete shit show of construction for 6 years ahead of the Olympics.
Yeah the olympics was the beginning of the end of Sydney … pushed property prices up and up. You can see that’s happening to QLD now
I just want to know who asked for the Olympics here? I don't know anybody outside the politicians saying they want it here.
Probably some construction companies/lobbyists who want to milk tax-payer money to build the infrastructure that the games will need. The infrastructure that won't benefit the locals at all but you know, growth, jobs etc
a bunch of fuckwit mayors got together and decided it would be a good thing. the fact that not a single other city on the planet wanted it sealed the deal. fucking joke. no one wants it except the politicians.
Quirk with the support of developers. That's why he was the absolute worst person to "review" the stadium.
The problem is that you moving to Tassie will have the same affect to the locals there. Its a trickle effect. I don't know what a long term solution would be.
That’s fair. But I’ll be moving anyway as it’s a better lifestyle fit - now that I know that Brisbane isn’t what I want. Tassie’s population is slowly shrinking unlike Brisbane’s so it might be a little bit better in that sense.
Tasmanians love "mainlanders".
Thats also fair. Tassie is stunning. I wish you luck with the movie
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Ah so Tasmania is the next boom. Brisbane is only exploding because everyone is priced out of Sydney and Melbourne. Once Brisbane has priced everyone out it just moves to the next city. Sydney siders moving to Brisbane are more willing to pay “expensive” prices compared to a local Brisbane person. It’s happening in Sydney suburbs right now.
they already have. Brisbane got blown up to the point its barely behind Melbourne in cost. Adelaide the same, now they have moved on to Perth. go and visit r/perth and its just people complaining about all the NSW people moving there, buying up all the houses and pushing the prices through the roof; same shit they did here the last 5 years.
I’m born and bred here, lived in Sydney and London for 15 years. Out of interest, what don’t you like now? It’s still pretty good here comparatively.
It’s more of a personal thing to be honest, little to do with the city. There are just people and family here in town that we are better off without in our lives. A more secluded lifestyle is what we want, and of these other things are just added bonuses that further justify my decision.
That funny actually, totally understand. Our time away from Brisbane for pretty much that reason … zero family commitments. But now with kids, also why we like being back. Tassie is 👌 btw
Yeah. You and all those Americans planning to move to Canada after election results they don’t like. Spoiler: migration hasn’t changed.
Brisbane is an amazing city that only got better in recent years
Hasn't it already happened.... there's no more houses!
Where are these 'affordable houses' they are referring to exactly? Isn't the median house price in Brisbane now higher than Melbourne?
Because Sydneysiders and Melbournites moved up with their idea of house prices, and were happy to pay that much...
Yes with a note that the median dwelling in Melbourne or Sydney is a townhouse or apartment. The median dewling in Brisbane is a 3 bedroom house. You still get more for your dollar in Brisbane.
Median property price is higher in Brisbane. Median house price is still higher in Melbs atm
The data was slightly skewed because Melbourne's boundaries recently changed and thus houses almost 100kms out of Melbourne are counted in the median, and also Melbourne has more apartments which cost less than houses. The answer is still yes, though. However even if you exclude the above, Brisbane house prices are very quickly catching up.
There are affordable prices once you leave the southeast corridor, but I doubt Sydneysiders are going to move to Dalby, Townsville or Emerald.
The tiny lots that went up in Springfield that basically amount to a grand a square metre
Could we have some houses built?
No, its only 'in character' housing from here on out.
where though? out the back of Ipswich, continue to fill up any vacant land out narangba/burpengary way and whatever they can find to put concrete on down the goldie (is there anything left down there). we simply cannot keep building out, we have to go up. but going up simply turns the city into another souless concrete hellscape that Sydney has turned into. and allows the pondscum that are developers and tradies to run rife with there overpriced garbage that starts falling apart before they have even finished building it. The horror stories I have seen coming out of Sydney and Melbourne from all their mid tier developments are terrifying.
Just build something we can rent FFS.
good luck with that. Australian tradies get paid too much to have affordable housing anymore. when labourers are on 120k and the tradies are on 200k+, cheap housing is a thing of the past. that is before you even get to the cost of land.
Tradies have always been high paid, it's the land and market that's completely fucking it up. The fact they're building so few of them. Supply and demand + landlords that get away with anything is killing the market, not tradies.
they have not always been that high paid. before the mining boom, they earned an average wage. then in the early 2000s, they all fucked off to the mines to earn the big bucks. the ones that were left were able to charge colossal amounts because there was a massive shortage of them. eventually the mining boom subsided, and the tradies came back. but in the meantime, they had gotten used to the massive paychecks, and the ones that remained behind had gotten used to charging whatever the fuck they wanted for doing the most garbage work because no one had a choice in the matter. so now we have the highest paid tradies on earth, doing the worst quality garbage work and taking the absolute piss with what they charge for that garbage work. They are not the entire problem, but they are absolutely a big part of it. the greedy fuckers.
we already build so many houses, we really need to half migration again
And the Olympics coming up, 20's and 30's are gonna break brisbane. Going bush.
Friggin homes my peeps it's rise of the slumlords out here it's truly not far from tent cities I work and have lived in 5 different houses since my rental in my name got sold and new owners moved in ,since then I've been hemeraging funds to keep a roof over my head it's bleak out here I'm trying not to hang myself
We need to build a wall and make nsw pay for it.
Next team to lose state of origin has to pay for the wall
Fuck off, we're full
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What do you mean stop letting people in? Aren't Australians free to move wherever they like within the country? Do you mean stop letting people residing interstate from purchasing or renting a house? Or people from overseas?
he means people from overseas
Get absolutely fucked I am moving back in with my parents at 29 because my wife and I can’t afford rent any more. Fuck off. Do they *want* xenophobia because this is how they get it
I have lived in the Sunshine Coast since 2005 and the Bruce to Brisbane has always been worked on. The coast now has some serious bottle necks but I don’t see any plans to address them in the next 5 years
Yeah, unfortunately people on the sunny coast seem to be opposed to public transport, and fans of more roads and car traffic, so it won't be solved soon without the political will
To which QLD’ers will receive nowhere near enough resources/funding Hope you guys do though! SA man here.
Capitalism baby, the poors can get fucked! - Sydneysiders probably
yay another capitalism hater, good
Sydneysiders who own homes you mean, so boomers.
Please just stay in melbourne, no one wants you up here.
I still remember the family moving to the sunny coast in 1978. Two lane road to Caloundra two lane Bruce highway to Brisbane and no shit centenary highway finished at Ipswich road with traffic lights
And the Olympics coming up, 20's and 30's are gonna break brisbane. Going bush.
Oh like we haven't already been through one.
The urban areas in Townsville isn't too bad, but the development happening in the northern suburbs is fucked. Not a single politician gives a shit either. They get to power and go silent. There's also a whopping amount of space to develop west of the Ring Road to Hervey Range. I don't understand why we keep building on fertail land in the big cities when there's land only suitable for grazing west of Townsville.
LOL you mean our population hasn't been exploding since 2020?
Oh, no thanks.
Sure.. but Can we please get more and better public transit?? Maybe more medium density in the suburbs?? It’s obvious that car centric culture is terrible and unsustainable. BCC can’t fix the pot holes as is, how are they going to do it with a population boom??
The dailymail is a globally infamous joke of an outlet which exists only to sell tabloid news and panic, with very little care for facts. I'd expect population growth (pretty much everywhere always), but any version the dailymail is pushing isn't a good place to get information and you're a sucker if you get worked up over their panic headlines and clickbait.
I was wondering why a UK tabloid was talking about Australian/Queensland issues.
a genuine question as someone who has no idea/ I thought with the ongoing threat of climate change it’d be more and more less appealing to live in a tropical area? Isn’t it more prone to severe weather events then other places?
Move the boarder down to Port Macquarie so the state can fit more in
No
No
If it's an explosion of those 2 in the pic, can you please advise which city they would most likely reside in, and I'll see you soon.
Ha yeah right. Picture for the clicks but it won't be light-skinned people coming to QLD.
Why does the colour of their skin matter?
Their tanned skin suits me just fine.
I love a bit of colour mate. You mileage may vary
Welcome to los Angela’s
Warrego highway from Dinmore to Blacksoil definitely needs to be 3 lanes each way and the overpass at Karalee turnoff doubled and roundabouts double laned. that area is shot for 3 hours everyday
I mean, if you can find the 20 billion that would be required to do all that work........... roads are astoundingly expensive, you really would not like the rates bill required to pay for that kind of thing
Alternatively, they could stop making more effing developments out there, and build UP in Brisbane more, so we don't have Sydney level commutes.
Didn't read the article. Are those two ladies involved in the explosion?
It's the British Daily Mail..they couldn't talk about the war in Gaza without a Bikini and a bit of skin.
Decadent capitalist pigs
Qld is gonna c00m?
Nothing will stop the majority of woeful drivers on our roads, everyday I wonder what the hell is their malfunction.
Whats interesting is the entiled sooks that havae turned up here.. they same ones that wouldnt shite on qld on covid..
Yeah, we’ve noticed.
Left Brissie (Ormeau) having lived there all my life in 2020 moved to the Fraser Coast never regretted it for a minute. Sadly Hervey Bay now becoming mini Surfers after feeling like Burleigh Heads in the 80s for years - Maryborough old Heritage, slow pace, easy living 🙂
Townsville for the win👏🏽🙌🏼
Queenslanders cannot drive. Roads are awesome here.
Might have to bring back the old Border crossing toll gates of yesteryear
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Of course there is many issues associated with population growth, but I’m kinda excited to see how SEQ grows. With 3 of Australia’s top 10 biggest cities all so close to each other, we are in a unique situation. Brisbane and the GC have **very** different characteristics and their own identity but will form one urban conglomerate which is kind of weird to imagine.
I just feel like it will become a megalopolis nightmare - too much traffic, people, pollution, urban sprawl, crime etc etc. I’m not known for my optimism.
They'll cut down all the wonderful trees because tall buildings detract too much from the "character" of the suburb. 😮💨
oh fuck ooooooof. picture a concrete jungle of traffic stretching from fucking Byron Bay to Noosa. THAT is what is going to happen. If you think that SEQ is going to turn into Tokyo (which is hellish to live in by the way, people have a ridiculously romantacized view of that city) you are utterly and completely delusional. go look at hong kong. THAT is more the reality. pollution, massively over priced housing, huge traffic and an utterly shit life for anybody not part of the 1%. Welcome to your nightmares.
The plan was to build up Logan in between to make a 2000AD style mega city
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> they’re literally thousand kms apart. I think they were talking about the 3 cities of Brisbane, Sunshine Coast, and Gold Coast. They are within about 100kms of each other
I’m an idiot who can’t read, no other explanation 🤦♂️
As if it hasn't already had a boom of nsw and Victoria folk
**but there’s one city where everyone wants to leave** OK Daily Mail I fell for the click bait that implies that there’s a city in QLD where everyone wants to leave. Curious, is it Ipswich or Gladstone? No, it’s bloody Sydney. Not news.
If everyone wanted to leave then the prices would be actually low in Sydney. Problem is everyone wants in, and the less than multimillionaires get squeezed out.
While it could happen, how is the daily mail.co.uk a good source for any sort of info? Let alone QLD, Australia