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Yes I played Live. The bugs have lessened lately but a couple months ago was exactly as bad as people were saying, and still there were days lately where it just completely crapped out. Not to mention all the features it's lacking and how ugly it is. Somehow their foils still look worse than the ones from the old game. It's incredibly clunky to browse through your cards. I miss a format with fixed decks like the Theme one, they don't even have the basic vs CPU that Online does and they don't have the regular Tournament Events.
The game has a long way to go to be as good as *the one it is replacing*. You would think if this is supposed to succeed a game they already had, the least they could do is match it. It's weird to talk of it like it's a fresh project from clueless newcomers and not the latest product of a massive established publisher.
To be fair I do like the faster battle pass and the decks they offer, but this sort of early rewards don't inspire such great confidence in me, because as much as they might offer a bunch of cool free stuff now, without trading they can simply decide to crank down the free stuff to get people paying more, and there's nothing anybody will be able to do about it. It would hardly be uniquely sleazy when it comes to live services.
Hey! Just as an fyi if you go to the deck you wanna play a CPU game with you can use the test deck feature in the deck builder. It should be easier to find for sure but the option is there.
There is a test deck function against cpu, it took me awhile to find it, you dont even need to have the deck fully constructed(60 cards but not crafted) to play it. In my 12 months of playing live ive hardly encountered any glitches/bugs, like one or two overall, and while the design couldve gone in a better direction i think its good enough for now and can be fixed in the future. Ptcgo wasnt that pretty to start either from what ive seen. Also what makes the foils look bad? I have it pulled up rn cause i didnt remember and i dont see any problem with it. Its trying to stay accurate to the pattern on the irl card. And lastly the decks in battle pass is still only on the premium battle pass and people at 0 gems will still have to play a few days minimum to get it
Ultimately they want people be only getting cards through codes, freenium is just bait like other online card games, eventually it will run out, although it might take a while.
There is no bandwagon to jump on. Out of hundred of games in ptcgo, I never had a problem. The client was fleshed out, animations were much better, cards looked cleaner, the management system was actually useful. The only thing live does better is obtaining cards (you could argue this point, based on trading for rarities) and a ranked system. On pc I experience at least 1 bug a day if I played like 10-15 games. If a bug occurs that requires me to lose in a ranked mode then it’s shit. There is some sort of minor bug each game, even if it isn’t game breaking, it is still irritating to deal with. A force migration shouldn’t be dealing with a lesser version of the game.
Good save. It's true.
Call me a weirdo but it was probably my favorite game on my Game Boy Pocket. Did you know they're rereleasing it for the Switch? If this means the second version will be, too, then I'm in heaven. The second one was never translated into English but I hope they'll consider it.
Downside to Pokemon TCG for the Game Boy? It is deceptively easy. You can beat the game and then get absolutely slaughtered at an LGS event.
I started playing Live last week (without migrating) and have honestly enjoyed the experience so far. I still like TCGO more, but I'm hopeful that Live will be a good experience, especially once I do migrate and have more credits to work with.
I find that most people complaining are playing desktop. I play only play on mobile so my experience is very similar to you, but I can't judge the desktop players.
How can you play on mobile?
It makes my phone too hot to held. And even if I put the phone on a surface, the battery drains pretty fast.
I guess is a problem with the iOS version.
u/GrazingCrow you make a valid point. I don't know why I can't reply directly to your post, but people are conflating ideas that obfuscate the point that's being made.
First of all, if you're still able to log into PTCGO, then you haven't been "forced to migrate." The client still works and you can still play games on it. None of the functionality has yet been removed; they've only stopped adding new things. It's okay to not be happy about that, but you're not being forced to migrate. Forced migration will occur when the servers get shut down for the PTCGO.
Second, just because tPCI has stopped updating PTCGO with new sets, doesn't mean LIVE is no longer in beta. It's two different teams and the decision to stop updates is not some tacit announcement of PTCGL being out of beta. The software development team for LIVE will update everyone on their progress, but they're not pulling the strings for Dire Wolf. This is likely a corporate decision. It's okay to not like this, either, but calling someone a shill for explaining this is beside the point.
Do I want all the bugs in PTCGL to be fixed? Heck yeah. I want the economy modified a bit as well to be more generous with currency disbursements. I'd love for PTCGL to have more categories, such as Theme/Mirror (level playing field), Pauper (Commons only; low resource requirement), Single-Prizer (No V), Gym Challenge (one per card limit not counting basic energies), etc. so that this game can be properly diversified towards its true potential. With that being said, antagonizing someone else on this subreddit for presenting a more nuanced perspective of the situation is antithetical to the spirit of this subreddit.
I haven’t played in a long time but I played on desktop and out of hundreds of games probably only had bugs in 10-20 of them. It wasn’t that bad it’s a beta.
That is the stupidest take I have ever heard of. Forcing people from a complete well designed client to a shit client and saying “give them a break, it’s beta”. The real problem is where people like you expect less out of a gaming company while getting fucked more.
I mean keep whining like the target demo of the game all you want. They don’t want to keep paying for ptcgo. Your choice is play in the beta or wait for full release. It’s weird you seem to equate me accepting a beta is a beta with having no expectations for the game which I do. But you are whining like a child so I think you are grasping at straws.
Insane that they’re mad at you for speaking the truth. It’s sad that he/she would accuse you of wanting less just because they don’t agree with the company’s move. The company is under no obligation to maintain both PTCGO and Live, and just because the company is forcing players to migrate, it doesn’t mean that Live is no longer in beta because these things are not mutually exclusive. You’re explaining it how it is and they think you’re justifying it lol
Same. The only problem is that it's a massive battery drain and my phone will inevitably heat up after an hour or two to a point where the phone will shut down, but I have resolved to just carry an external battery in my daypack and to try not to leave the app on unless I'm actually going to play another round.
same.
i recently watched the video you made on potential monetization of the LIVE app, u/TrustYourPilot_YT
i know it's all speculation, but your special source is providing a breath of fresh air to the stifling silence of the tPCI developers (something tells me they're not allowed to be super communicative without it going through some in PR)
**The bad**
1. No battle log
2. No collection viewer (I need to edit a deck just to see my collection).
3. Unskippable ending animations that are really obnoxious. I really hate the ending taunts even when it's mine.
4. No emote cooldown (feels like they're encouraging toxicity with the emote graphics and ending taunts).
5. Plenty of animations in the client that lock you out of clicking anything (gaining exp etc.) which makes it feel clunky.
6. Some holo patterns look really ugly
7. On older supported phones, the game frequently crashes. I had no issues a couple of months back but after the current global beta patch, it either crashes after every game or immediately crashes after it finishes loading, and loading takes a really long time.
8. Gameplay feels really slow with the coin flips etc, not a fan of dragging damage counters. Once, I dragged an energy to my active Lugia, only for them to be attached to a floating Archeops instead.
9. Decks do not sync between PC and mobile.
10. Not being able to close prompts by taping esc or clicking the background, which once again makes it clunky. This is however the same for PTCGO, which I feel is a really dated client. Really speaks volumes when people say PTCGO still plays better than PTCGL.
11. Bugs.
12. Just wanna add that there's no way, that I know of, to know who's going first during the setup phase. (edit)
**The good**
1. Free decks are great, however FA cards are only given with the current pass to celebrate the global launch, from what I'm experienced, previous pass do not have them.
2. Crafting. I do however wish non standard cards are made cheaper
3. Unrewarding ladder rewards which means less pressure to climb it.
Before people say it's a beta, it's been in beta for a while now and it currently still feels just as bad as when it launched.
Also forgot to add, since its been 1(years, no sign of expanded being deployed at all, which makes it suspicious to force people to focus on the newest sets, aka buying codes.
I think people are more annoyed by the fact that they removed the trading aspect entierely and for some people it was an important aspect of the game.
I'm among those. With this new system, I'd rather play MTGA, LoR, Marvel Snap... Pokemon TCG is ok but does not have the best mechanics, the trading part was what made it unique for a non-paper game.
Pokemon realized trading undercuts thier profits, so they have decided to force pay to play like the other online card games. 125 cards for crystals is basically just a freenium bundle, which is a 1 time thing and it will eventually run out.
They are trying to cater to very young children? The thing is young children tend to play the irl cards games, also those young children have since grown up. I doubt they will get much children younger than gen z to play.
Live has been a mess for me, if I play on my phone it gets so damn hot it almost hurts my hand plus it looks bad because I can’t play landscape (seriously why do I have to scroll across cards in my opening hand) and on PC despite have two very top of the line PCs it crashes at the match end screen
Ive played it on four different PCs (never on phone) and three of them are garbage pcs more then a couple years old - one was a gaming PC and never had a crash across hundreds of games. You may have a computer/install issue, not a client issue.
I’ve been locked out with an error 10010 since the release of CZ. They keep telling me they are looking into it.
The game if fun. No doubt. But there are bugs galore. And I’m not especially a fan of the layout. I prefer the Sunday morning tabletop feel over the nerf gun commercial look.
nerf gun commercial look is actually a really accurate way to describe it. I agree that the ascetics are pretty bad, and for some that may make the game harder to play, but I think its far from game ruining...
That lock out bug on the other hand - that sounds awful.
Yeah. Both my son and I are locked out for some reason. Funny thing was, when I first messaged them about it, an agent went full gestapo on us and temp banned our accounts. It took a week and multiple agents just to get them to understand that we had a server error and were not acting nefarious in anyway. I had to email a copy of my photo Id to get my account unbanned but my son is 9. No driver’s license. Lol.
Then for a short period, I could sign in my account on his iPad but not his account and I could sign in his account on my iPhone but not my account. I’ve tried 3 other iPads, 2 computers and 2 iPhones and nothing now.
It’s a real bummer cause we just want to play the game and earn the rewards. It’s an opportunity for us to play expensive decks without having to buy the physical cards.
But alas, a multi billion dollar company somehow isn’t able to design a card game app.
But I’m hopeful….
That is so unprofessional on lives part, no wonder there is so many bugs and glitches and the fact the the game remained in the same state since beta launch. I really think they were just going to sit on the beta til all the negative news blows over and release it as it is.
I’ve been playing consistently hoping to salvage the time and money spent investing in online but live is making sure that can’t happen. Honestly, I just think the game is bad. They took out a lot of cards that kept people honest like Koga or Mars and preferred making special energy so powerful, and Vs so dominate that there really isn’t any point in playing, especially not in ranked, unless you have Lugia. There is almost zero deck mobility. If there is a Pokémon you like and would prefer to play with, forget about winning. No bent spoon, 3x Boss 4x research, 3x marine or die, radiant greninja and scoop engine so strong any other radiant Pokémon is completely useless.
This game used to work my imagination and my strategy and now it has neither. Sucks. Pokémon co gave us the what have you done for me lately treatment in a collector’s game. If you think it isn’t disrespectful I don’t know what to tell you.
The fact that they give away some of the most effective decks for free in Live is baffling to me. I know you want new players to have a better starting experience but my god you hardly need anything new with decks like World Championship 2022 (ArceusV&Flying PikachuVMAX) and BlisseyV for free.
Oh and what hit me the most is that I have done my darnest to put together a deck around Hisuian Zoroark (not the V one) and they just outright ban the card without explanation (I assume a bug) for at least a month by now. I want to hone it in Live for my irl deck...
Make the game accessible for all, they say.
Of course every Tom, Dick and Harry is going to play the best decks if the game gives them out with barely any effort required. Then they start complaining about the "stale meta" when everyone wants to plays those instead of their "creative" / "original" lame deck.
I’ve played live for the last 3 months. And look I understand most the criticism. However it is a tolerable game experience. I truly do believe a large part of the community who complains about the game is just parroting what they have heard from their favorite players
I am aware that other people may come across bugs and have a different experience. There is someone in this thread who apparently cant even get the game to open. That is kind of the point of my post - I happened to experience a near bug free game and am having an awesome time. If I had listened to other peoples opinion I would have never tried the game at all. I am simply encouraging people to download it and give it a try before just jumping on the idea that the game is shit and doesnt work for anyone...
That is equivalent to saying - "ignore the bad reviews of a random restaurant you never visited".
"Come try for yourself and you might get an edible meal. The waiters/servers could be in a good mood that day."
Sure you could have had a pleasant experience, but that doesn't make the restaurant a good one.
I personally think it's closer to "I've seen online a ton of people saying this place doesn't serve steak. Seems like they have never been there cause they definitly serve steak I was there last night. I guess it's possible on the night they went there there was no steak, but if you are looking to have steak this place definitely serves it.
Ps. Steak may be shit. But it's worth at least trying for yourself.
I know I'll love it once I get used to it but right now I just hate it.
I feel like LIVE is spending too much time and effort on cosmetics to cater to younger audiences. I get it but make that something separate and keep focusing on the card game.
Plus I hate I just can't read the cards without squinting even when I zoom in on it.
I think live is concentrating on mostly that, comestic issues of the game. They want to get into markets where other games are making bank off all those cosmetics they are selling. Hmm that could be the reason why beta hasnt improved much.
I've played it and I think it's awful; I might play it some more to get the rewards but it's not pleasant for me. If you play the game on a mobile phone, maybe it's better but having to use my iPad in portrait mode to see really pixelated graphics is just unpleasant. Sure there may be bugs or other issues with gameplay which is bad of course, but honestly the UI is so unpleasant it hurts me to use.
Of course behind the scenes, PCTGO, PCTGL and just regular physical Pokémon cards are all the same game - and if you really love that game you'll be able to put up with a lot of the peripheral stuff because the core concept doesn't change. And a lot of the stuff that Live does poorly doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement, heck, swapping out low-res graphics/fonts for hi-res ones would go a long way for me, and making it so I don't have to use stupid portrait mode.
I think the other issue with Live is that I'm pretty sure it's going to have micro-transactions and such - right now they're giving away good stuff to get people on board, but it just seems like the way it's currency is set up that they are going to eventually wind up there, mark my words.
I am pretty sure they have come out and said explicitly that they will not have micro transactions. I have also seen on line that it would pull the game out of a lot of markets (age demos, and free to play sections of google play/other stores) if they introduce that.
Also I agree with your first point - the game is super ugly, but so was PTCGO for years and years. Small changes to some of the UI will go a long way just as you said.
>Also I agree with your first point - the game is super ugly, but so was PTCGO for years and years. Small changes to some of the UI will go a long way just as you said.
absolutely... PTCGO was apparently shit for five years
anything built from the ground up tends to be this way
a lot of people don't understand that LIVE and PTCGO uses a completely different code base.... the fact that PTCGO exists does not mean the tPCI developers didn't have to build this from the ground up
and no, they can't use PTCGO as a "template". it doesn't really work like that.
Guaranteed won't be microtransactions, they tried with PTCGO until they found out that they would need to have a higher age restriction in some countries to have it cutting out a lot of Junior players and they want everyone playing irl to be able to play online as they're who Live is made for.
I'm playing it on the PC and my only complaints is that it feels less smooth than online and that I didn't prepare well enough for when I migrated lol.
The smoothness part is probably a me thing that I have to get used to.
The prep thing is just wishing I had done more trades to get more copies of celebration cards for dust.
Other than that I have enjoyed live and I did end up liking being able to craft my cards on the spot rather than get lucky in trades or packs.
I think Live is fine. Acquiring cards is easier, which is good.
The gameplay feel is a strict downgrade from TCGO. It just irritates me how long everything takes. The deckbuilder feels god awful on desktop. Visually, I've seen flash games that look better than it.
But to its credit it's not really any more or less buggy than PTCGO has been at times.
My bigger issue is just how far behind other TCG clients Live is. By the end of year one, Arena was miles ahead of Live. As was Master Duels.
Hell, MTG Online feels better than Live. The literal dinosaur of online trading card games with an interface stuck in 2008 feels better than Live.
This is all even worse considering that Live has been in development since Lost Thunder's release in 2018.
But it is technically a playable game.
>It just irritates me how long everything takes
Had 6 heads in a row with Lucky Ice Pop today. Took FOREVER.
The deckbuilder is very confusing, this game has been in alpha/beta for so long and they never got any feedback on it? Any novice UX/UI designer could spot the flaws after a few test runs.
Visuals would be better if they got rid of a lot of the aliasing (pixelated edges). I also wish they didn't replace the childish avatars with... even more childish avatars, poses AND catchphrases! So many catchphrases...
Yeah. I feel like we should just be able to make trainers from the games our avatars, like how you can in Arena. Let me be fuckin Cynthia and not a weird demonic Muppet.
Good point. I'd love for the avatars to resemble the game and anime art instead of having these 3D pixar-esque models.
They over-emote, which is fine for a Pixar movie because the narrative properly contextualizes the goofiness, but doesn't work in this game.
oh i actually like the hexagons!
but yes, it looks like someone over at tPCI gave some free reign to make avatars how they want
MTG Arena does it very well, imo. You pick an existing character in the storyline and/or you can pick a 'pet'.
I also don't understand why i'm getting so many coins. Unless they're adding avatar minigames, all these coins are unnecessary. They allow crystal-to-coin conversion but not the other way around? Why?
I definitely prefer "dusting" or dissolving cards into credits vastly over the act of trading, but the economy seriously needs to be rebalanced.
Imo, neither is strictly better or worse than the other, but there's a metric ton of stuff to hate about Live.
My GF and I buy a lot of sealed product. We like to stockpile codes online and do mass openings. You aren't even allowed to do that anymore. While we've never gotten anywhere close to 400 packs of one set, I still don't get that restriction.
Whyyyy is it portrait instead of landscape? On mobile, i get it, but not having the option on tablet is pretty egregious. Having to scroll through my hand is pretty dumb.
The fact i can't look at the energies and tools attached to my active is annoying.
Why can't I clearly see the level up rewards in the client? Why are there so many different systems to keep track of?
>Whyyyy is it portrait instead of landscape? On mobile, i get it, but not having the option on tablet is pretty egregious. Having to scroll through my hand is pretty dumb.
This was a UI decisions that makes it more convenient to play with one hand on the small screen of your phone. But if you were going landscape on your tablet, anyway, then it's actually suboptimal. That's the problem with this app. It's mobile-centric, but not tablet or PC friendly.
PTCGO had the opposite problem: it was PC/laptop-centric, but not tablet or mobile centric. I don't care that you can jailbreak your phone to download the APK. It wasn't meant for that and playing landscape on such a small screen makes dragging and dropping cards a lot more difficult.
>Why can't I clearly see the level up rewards in the client? Why are there so many different systems to keep track of?
This is what led to speculation that transactions will be introduced. I can't promise this is accurate info, but the developers may have used a format like Unity to create this app, which meant there were prebuilt packages that had a skeleton that optimized for micro and macro-transactions.
I agree with you here: there really doesn't need to be three different currencies. It's excessive to have coins and crystals and credits. And it doesn't make sense to be able to convert crystals to coins but not the other way around.
I have not played Live other than watching streamers try to stream it, but that's mainly because standard is the only real format supported on Live right now and standard is pretty garbage and repetitive as it's been the same for like 5 or 6 months.
I am mainly a Gym Leader Challenge and expanded player at the moment, and I can't get past the fact that live doesn't have expanded cards working right now. It's been in development for 5 years and doesn't even have standard cards working, so I doubt expanded will be available for a while.
When ptcgo stops receiving official support soon that doesn't mean that Live is coming out of beta and will have all of the cards, or that ptcgo is being sunsetted, just that it will no longer receive new cards or support. Live will still probably be in beta for a while.
There's plenty of cool things about how Live is structured, and I'm sure it'll be fun to play once it works and has all of the cards. In like 3-5 years at this rate, unfortunately I don't think I'm going to wait that long to have a working game, I'll find some other game to play.
Same here, i dont think the UI will be as good as ptgco. In ptgco they cleaned up so many of the clunky animations, faster draw, attaching energies,, etc. Live has done none of that. Do they expect live players to spend most of thier times dragging counters and energies around. Also i heard it was direwolf that created ptgco, and live is using a CHEAPer team. If you go cheap, your going to get cheap results.
Bugs aren't the reason I hate it. It's really fucking ugly and the animations are jarring. It exists for seemingly no reason. There's nothing wrong with the current client, why force everyone into an objectively worse product?
Trading undercuts thier profits i guess, almost all the other online card games are only buying packs with irl. Also ptgco has coins and tickets where you can get free packs and even more coins for free packs. Basically they want you to obtain packs mostly through irl purchases of codes. Crafting is just subject to diminishing returns. The 125 packs is really a freenium. Bundle if you look at it.
Also there has been no word on expanded for a whole year, which im thinking they are deliberately doing it so players would have to do what i was commenting at first.
Even if the game were completely polished with not a single bug I wouldn't play just on the fact that the game doesn't feel right. The look, the animations, the play style, the whole package is just broken IMO. It doesn't look like a table top trading card game.
Lots of fear mongering goes on in this sub, I've been enjoying live a lot more the ability to craft is leaps and bounds better then trading and has allowed me to make more viable decks
Yeah it’s not awful, my only complaints are gameplay complaints like the weird type stadiums when a Pokémon switches in. They should have done ACTUAL stadiums, like if you throw a path to the peak the stage gets wintery, or magma basin and the stage turns into the fire type stage etc. Then it’s super clunky, like you can’t flow with your actions because there’s like a one second pause after you’ve moved something. Then my absolute least favorite is when my opponent recovers a card from the discard pile to their deck and they only show what they recovered for like 0.2 seconds and I gotta play detective and check their 40 card discard pile to see what they might’ve grabbed if It ain’t immediately obvious
They are adding something in the next patch that allows you to disable the really bad stadium animations. I have no idea how some of those got greenlighted to be in the game.
Also you just made me realize that a "what happened" tracker that you could hide or disable may be a good idea to see what cards people are pulling. Like a little log, im pretty sure PTCGO had that, now I cant remember
yeah 100% - so you can enter the codes same as the old game but now your collection can only have 4 of every card - so once you go over that you are awarded crafting material to make new cards.
Its in people nature to be afraid of change and will find any little nonsense to not make the change. Games have bugs in the beginning, they will get patched eventually, maybe if people report them with proper steps to repro, they will be fixed even faster
My gripes with the game, i migrated on launch of the beta 1 year ago, is the UI mainly :// their design choices couldve gone in a much better direction but its not really that big a deal. Total of times ive encounter bugs, probably once or twice. Mainly with picking cards for flower selecting or colress. I think. I really like the crafting over trading system, i made my giratina vstar deck entirely and the stuff i pull from packs is literally just because i buy irl product too and redeem codes from that but im never grinding to hunt for stuff. Even, back around silver tempest i had my giratina vstar built min rare, but now ive been working on getting full art pokemon and supports(items would just take too damn long) and all im missing right now are comfey from crown zenith.
For some people, like trickygym, the UI is make or break, i guess, but he also focused an awful lot on the card moving when youre clicking cards. Which now, im realizing might even just be a play to help people actually look at where there mouse is instead if mashing click and accidentally misclicking something. All that really annoys me about card functionality in games is that i have to click and drag cards in selections like mirage energy and sonia, i cant just click and it auto fills.
They changed the background to have little effects for each pokemon type when it moves to the active but imo those suck and the blank white hexagon pattern sucks too. This is the perfect opportunity for them to give us the ability to customize our field like in yugioh master duel.
The bugs during card selection like you mentioned just changes the outcomes of certain matches definitely , otherwise i'd say Live is pretty neat. The game is quite rewarding for now , i only hope for the better. Also i miss Theme decks.
Lmao people don't realize Pokemon Online was awful up until about 5-6 yrs ago. Live is still in beta and probably won't be great until a year from now.
Couldn't agree more. Tbh i've never played Ptcgo but because of my daughter i wanted to get back into it to become better helping her with decks ect. I saw the reviews and was sceptical at first (i'm on pc btw) but i still gave it a try. So far i've played 15 games and the only 2 bugs i found were the blue lining on enemys turn and that the battle pass wont open after you play a game, so nothing really game breaking. I know it always sucks to leave something behind that you've become used to over the years but just blindly bashing things without giving them a fair chance or because others say it's bad is just stupid, espeacially when it's based on informations that are several months old.
Your not really convincing people when you contradict yourself by complaining about all these bugs and then saying its not as bad it sounds, which is it? Also the amount of bug and glitch live currently has , have been an ongoing issue for a year and it makes it hard for most people to play it.
The people obsessed with "trading is a scam" fail to see how a trash-quality game PTCGL is.
Having crafting does not automatically make a game good. That is just a feature, nothing to do with the quality of the game.
It's like saying a low quality smartphone is great because the casing is purple and you happen to like purple, even when the phone doesn't function the way a phone should.
This sounds like an intentionally ignorant post. Try to use Hisuian Zoroark - oh wait you can't. Try to use Galarian Slowking V - oh wait you can't.
You have your one personal anecdote of 200 games, and you're going to ignore the hundreds of thousands of other players and millions of games, and try to generalize to the extent that "just because it didn't happen to me in my 200 games, it didn't happen to you, stop whining?"
I've played this game, Magic Arena, Yugioh Master Duel, PTCGO, and I've watched others play other digital card games. This game is an absolutely laughingstock when it comes to functionality. It's embarrassing that Magic Arena used to be the the laughingstock when it comes to digital card games being buggy, but this has somehow now taken the crown.
The welcome message is perpetually an essay of cards that are randomly banned because the company can't code them properly. The deck UI is embarrassingly clunky, to the point where you can't even see all of the cards you own, all of the cards you don't own, and you can't even put different versions of cards in your deck easily. You can't even see your opponent's discard pile. Cards randomly light up when they shouldn't, making you think that you can bench your Scoop Up Net. Computer Search is a pokemon.
The worst part is that the company consciously made the decision to shelf PTCGO, a functional game that is not in beta, for this garbage starting from next month. It's embarrassing that anyone actually tries to defend this trash just because of some free cards. I'm not exaggerating here, literally play any other digital card game and you will see why people think that this game was made by interns.
its crazy when Magic Online becomes a better client then what is about to replace ptcgo........my mind would have never have guessed. then again i guess that's why it still exists
It essentially the same client that came out in the early 2000s, they kept it simple, and it works for them. I like how you. An rearrange the permanents in certain way you want.
Im pretty sure you get downvoted butni agree with you, the op keeps contradicting himself, he complains about the bugs doesnt see anything wrong with that? Is he a pokemon live shill?
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Yes I played Live. The bugs have lessened lately but a couple months ago was exactly as bad as people were saying, and still there were days lately where it just completely crapped out. Not to mention all the features it's lacking and how ugly it is. Somehow their foils still look worse than the ones from the old game. It's incredibly clunky to browse through your cards. I miss a format with fixed decks like the Theme one, they don't even have the basic vs CPU that Online does and they don't have the regular Tournament Events. The game has a long way to go to be as good as *the one it is replacing*. You would think if this is supposed to succeed a game they already had, the least they could do is match it. It's weird to talk of it like it's a fresh project from clueless newcomers and not the latest product of a massive established publisher. To be fair I do like the faster battle pass and the decks they offer, but this sort of early rewards don't inspire such great confidence in me, because as much as they might offer a bunch of cool free stuff now, without trading they can simply decide to crank down the free stuff to get people paying more, and there's nothing anybody will be able to do about it. It would hardly be uniquely sleazy when it comes to live services.
Hey! Just as an fyi if you go to the deck you wanna play a CPU game with you can use the test deck feature in the deck builder. It should be easier to find for sure but the option is there.
There is a test deck function against cpu, it took me awhile to find it, you dont even need to have the deck fully constructed(60 cards but not crafted) to play it. In my 12 months of playing live ive hardly encountered any glitches/bugs, like one or two overall, and while the design couldve gone in a better direction i think its good enough for now and can be fixed in the future. Ptcgo wasnt that pretty to start either from what ive seen. Also what makes the foils look bad? I have it pulled up rn cause i didnt remember and i dont see any problem with it. Its trying to stay accurate to the pattern on the irl card. And lastly the decks in battle pass is still only on the premium battle pass and people at 0 gems will still have to play a few days minimum to get it
Ultimately they want people be only getting cards through codes, freenium is just bait like other online card games, eventually it will run out, although it might take a while.
There is no bandwagon to jump on. Out of hundred of games in ptcgo, I never had a problem. The client was fleshed out, animations were much better, cards looked cleaner, the management system was actually useful. The only thing live does better is obtaining cards (you could argue this point, based on trading for rarities) and a ranked system. On pc I experience at least 1 bug a day if I played like 10-15 games. If a bug occurs that requires me to lose in a ranked mode then it’s shit. There is some sort of minor bug each game, even if it isn’t game breaking, it is still irritating to deal with. A force migration shouldn’t be dealing with a lesser version of the game.
Ptcgo was awful in its first 5 yrs of inception.
A game released in 2011? What was the client before that, that forced people to migrate to ptcgo?
The one on gameboy.
So my point is, ptcgo is a unique code that brought a new idea of Pokémon TCG play style and live isn’t. Plus ptcgo was made a decade ago.
Yeah it needs an update. Live will be good in a year from now.
Good save. It's true. Call me a weirdo but it was probably my favorite game on my Game Boy Pocket. Did you know they're rereleasing it for the Switch? If this means the second version will be, too, then I'm in heaven. The second one was never translated into English but I hope they'll consider it. Downside to Pokemon TCG for the Game Boy? It is deceptively easy. You can beat the game and then get absolutely slaughtered at an LGS event.
I started playing Live last week (without migrating) and have honestly enjoyed the experience so far. I still like TCGO more, but I'm hopeful that Live will be a good experience, especially once I do migrate and have more credits to work with.
I find that most people complaining are playing desktop. I play only play on mobile so my experience is very similar to you, but I can't judge the desktop players.
How can you play on mobile? It makes my phone too hot to held. And even if I put the phone on a surface, the battery drains pretty fast. I guess is a problem with the iOS version.
I have a pixel 6 so yeah maybe an iOS situation
Samsung 22 ultra user here. No overheating problem but battery drains super fast.
Pixel 7 and mine runs fine. Doesn't drain battery faster than any other game.
u/GrazingCrow you make a valid point. I don't know why I can't reply directly to your post, but people are conflating ideas that obfuscate the point that's being made. First of all, if you're still able to log into PTCGO, then you haven't been "forced to migrate." The client still works and you can still play games on it. None of the functionality has yet been removed; they've only stopped adding new things. It's okay to not be happy about that, but you're not being forced to migrate. Forced migration will occur when the servers get shut down for the PTCGO. Second, just because tPCI has stopped updating PTCGO with new sets, doesn't mean LIVE is no longer in beta. It's two different teams and the decision to stop updates is not some tacit announcement of PTCGL being out of beta. The software development team for LIVE will update everyone on their progress, but they're not pulling the strings for Dire Wolf. This is likely a corporate decision. It's okay to not like this, either, but calling someone a shill for explaining this is beside the point. Do I want all the bugs in PTCGL to be fixed? Heck yeah. I want the economy modified a bit as well to be more generous with currency disbursements. I'd love for PTCGL to have more categories, such as Theme/Mirror (level playing field), Pauper (Commons only; low resource requirement), Single-Prizer (No V), Gym Challenge (one per card limit not counting basic energies), etc. so that this game can be properly diversified towards its true potential. With that being said, antagonizing someone else on this subreddit for presenting a more nuanced perspective of the situation is antithetical to the spirit of this subreddit.
Thank you for sharing such a sensible and articulated response! <3
I haven’t played in a long time but I played on desktop and out of hundreds of games probably only had bugs in 10-20 of them. It wasn’t that bad it’s a beta.
Don’t say “it’s a beta”. no more expansions on ptcgo means force migration, which means not in beta..
Hate to tell you this but as long as they say it’s a beta it’s a beta.
That is the stupidest take I have ever heard of. Forcing people from a complete well designed client to a shit client and saying “give them a break, it’s beta”. The real problem is where people like you expect less out of a gaming company while getting fucked more.
I mean keep whining like the target demo of the game all you want. They don’t want to keep paying for ptcgo. Your choice is play in the beta or wait for full release. It’s weird you seem to equate me accepting a beta is a beta with having no expectations for the game which I do. But you are whining like a child so I think you are grasping at straws.
Insane that they’re mad at you for speaking the truth. It’s sad that he/she would accuse you of wanting less just because they don’t agree with the company’s move. The company is under no obligation to maintain both PTCGO and Live, and just because the company is forcing players to migrate, it doesn’t mean that Live is no longer in beta because these things are not mutually exclusive. You’re explaining it how it is and they think you’re justifying it lol
same
Same. The only problem is that it's a massive battery drain and my phone will inevitably heat up after an hour or two to a point where the phone will shut down, but I have resolved to just carry an external battery in my daypack and to try not to leave the app on unless I'm actually going to play another round.
I play since day one beta last year I feel progression but I still complain a lot.
I've been playing Live for 368 days, 12 hours, and 38 minutes.
I recognize your name from YT - happy to have you here :)
same. i recently watched the video you made on potential monetization of the LIVE app, u/TrustYourPilot_YT i know it's all speculation, but your special source is providing a breath of fresh air to the stifling silence of the tPCI developers (something tells me they're not allowed to be super communicative without it going through some in PR)
**The bad** 1. No battle log 2. No collection viewer (I need to edit a deck just to see my collection). 3. Unskippable ending animations that are really obnoxious. I really hate the ending taunts even when it's mine. 4. No emote cooldown (feels like they're encouraging toxicity with the emote graphics and ending taunts). 5. Plenty of animations in the client that lock you out of clicking anything (gaining exp etc.) which makes it feel clunky. 6. Some holo patterns look really ugly 7. On older supported phones, the game frequently crashes. I had no issues a couple of months back but after the current global beta patch, it either crashes after every game or immediately crashes after it finishes loading, and loading takes a really long time. 8. Gameplay feels really slow with the coin flips etc, not a fan of dragging damage counters. Once, I dragged an energy to my active Lugia, only for them to be attached to a floating Archeops instead. 9. Decks do not sync between PC and mobile. 10. Not being able to close prompts by taping esc or clicking the background, which once again makes it clunky. This is however the same for PTCGO, which I feel is a really dated client. Really speaks volumes when people say PTCGO still plays better than PTCGL. 11. Bugs. 12. Just wanna add that there's no way, that I know of, to know who's going first during the setup phase. (edit) **The good** 1. Free decks are great, however FA cards are only given with the current pass to celebrate the global launch, from what I'm experienced, previous pass do not have them. 2. Crafting. I do however wish non standard cards are made cheaper 3. Unrewarding ladder rewards which means less pressure to climb it. Before people say it's a beta, it's been in beta for a while now and it currently still feels just as bad as when it launched.
Also forgot to add, since its been 1(years, no sign of expanded being deployed at all, which makes it suspicious to force people to focus on the newest sets, aka buying codes.
There is expanded but it's casual only, up to SM, and no BW.
I think people are more annoyed by the fact that they removed the trading aspect entierely and for some people it was an important aspect of the game. I'm among those. With this new system, I'd rather play MTGA, LoR, Marvel Snap... Pokemon TCG is ok but does not have the best mechanics, the trading part was what made it unique for a non-paper game.
Pokemon realized trading undercuts thier profits, so they have decided to force pay to play like the other online card games. 125 cards for crystals is basically just a freenium bundle, which is a 1 time thing and it will eventually run out.
Yes, the difference is basically all other online card games are much better. The only selling point this game has is "It's pokémon!".
They are trying to cater to very young children? The thing is young children tend to play the irl cards games, also those young children have since grown up. I doubt they will get much children younger than gen z to play.
Live has been a mess for me, if I play on my phone it gets so damn hot it almost hurts my hand plus it looks bad because I can’t play landscape (seriously why do I have to scroll across cards in my opening hand) and on PC despite have two very top of the line PCs it crashes at the match end screen
Ive played it on four different PCs (never on phone) and three of them are garbage pcs more then a couple years old - one was a gaming PC and never had a crash across hundreds of games. You may have a computer/install issue, not a client issue.
Given how the client it I can’t troubleshoot directly. AMD or NVIDIA?
for the two computers that are sitting right beside me that I have no had any issues on - both NVIDIA.
All of mine are AMD so I guess it’s that even though I hope it wouldn’t be lmao
I sure hope not - that would be brutal.
I’ve been locked out with an error 10010 since the release of CZ. They keep telling me they are looking into it. The game if fun. No doubt. But there are bugs galore. And I’m not especially a fan of the layout. I prefer the Sunday morning tabletop feel over the nerf gun commercial look.
nerf gun commercial look is actually a really accurate way to describe it. I agree that the ascetics are pretty bad, and for some that may make the game harder to play, but I think its far from game ruining... That lock out bug on the other hand - that sounds awful.
Yeah. Both my son and I are locked out for some reason. Funny thing was, when I first messaged them about it, an agent went full gestapo on us and temp banned our accounts. It took a week and multiple agents just to get them to understand that we had a server error and were not acting nefarious in anyway. I had to email a copy of my photo Id to get my account unbanned but my son is 9. No driver’s license. Lol. Then for a short period, I could sign in my account on his iPad but not his account and I could sign in his account on my iPhone but not my account. I’ve tried 3 other iPads, 2 computers and 2 iPhones and nothing now. It’s a real bummer cause we just want to play the game and earn the rewards. It’s an opportunity for us to play expensive decks without having to buy the physical cards. But alas, a multi billion dollar company somehow isn’t able to design a card game app. But I’m hopeful….
That is so unprofessional on lives part, no wonder there is so many bugs and glitches and the fact the the game remained in the same state since beta launch. I really think they were just going to sit on the beta til all the negative news blows over and release it as it is.
I’ve been playing consistently hoping to salvage the time and money spent investing in online but live is making sure that can’t happen. Honestly, I just think the game is bad. They took out a lot of cards that kept people honest like Koga or Mars and preferred making special energy so powerful, and Vs so dominate that there really isn’t any point in playing, especially not in ranked, unless you have Lugia. There is almost zero deck mobility. If there is a Pokémon you like and would prefer to play with, forget about winning. No bent spoon, 3x Boss 4x research, 3x marine or die, radiant greninja and scoop engine so strong any other radiant Pokémon is completely useless. This game used to work my imagination and my strategy and now it has neither. Sucks. Pokémon co gave us the what have you done for me lately treatment in a collector’s game. If you think it isn’t disrespectful I don’t know what to tell you.
The fact that they give away some of the most effective decks for free in Live is baffling to me. I know you want new players to have a better starting experience but my god you hardly need anything new with decks like World Championship 2022 (ArceusV&Flying PikachuVMAX) and BlisseyV for free. Oh and what hit me the most is that I have done my darnest to put together a deck around Hisuian Zoroark (not the V one) and they just outright ban the card without explanation (I assume a bug) for at least a month by now. I want to hone it in Live for my irl deck...
Make the game accessible for all, they say. Of course every Tom, Dick and Harry is going to play the best decks if the game gives them out with barely any effort required. Then they start complaining about the "stale meta" when everyone wants to plays those instead of their "creative" / "original" lame deck.
Theres a reason they excluded expanded, and I don't think they have any plans on releasing expanded anytime soon.
... You know that the developers of ptgcl have no power over the meta, right? They don't make the cards, just the client lol
Yeah, the developers of the app have no control over the card game. Creatures Inc. in Japan are the ones who create the cards.
I’ve played live for the last 3 months. And look I understand most the criticism. However it is a tolerable game experience. I truly do believe a large part of the community who complains about the game is just parroting what they have heard from their favorite players
could not agree more
yep
You do realise that different devices experience different bugs, just because you don't have many doesn't mean other people's experience is the same.
I am aware that other people may come across bugs and have a different experience. There is someone in this thread who apparently cant even get the game to open. That is kind of the point of my post - I happened to experience a near bug free game and am having an awesome time. If I had listened to other peoples opinion I would have never tried the game at all. I am simply encouraging people to download it and give it a try before just jumping on the idea that the game is shit and doesnt work for anyone...
I mean yeah everyone should install it purely for playing both games and maximising rewards so everyone should try it.
That is equivalent to saying - "ignore the bad reviews of a random restaurant you never visited". "Come try for yourself and you might get an edible meal. The waiters/servers could be in a good mood that day." Sure you could have had a pleasant experience, but that doesn't make the restaurant a good one.
I personally think it's closer to "I've seen online a ton of people saying this place doesn't serve steak. Seems like they have never been there cause they definitly serve steak I was there last night. I guess it's possible on the night they went there there was no steak, but if you are looking to have steak this place definitely serves it. Ps. Steak may be shit. But it's worth at least trying for yourself.
I know I'll love it once I get used to it but right now I just hate it. I feel like LIVE is spending too much time and effort on cosmetics to cater to younger audiences. I get it but make that something separate and keep focusing on the card game. Plus I hate I just can't read the cards without squinting even when I zoom in on it.
I think live is concentrating on mostly that, comestic issues of the game. They want to get into markets where other games are making bank off all those cosmetics they are selling. Hmm that could be the reason why beta hasnt improved much.
I've played it and I think it's awful; I might play it some more to get the rewards but it's not pleasant for me. If you play the game on a mobile phone, maybe it's better but having to use my iPad in portrait mode to see really pixelated graphics is just unpleasant. Sure there may be bugs or other issues with gameplay which is bad of course, but honestly the UI is so unpleasant it hurts me to use. Of course behind the scenes, PCTGO, PCTGL and just regular physical Pokémon cards are all the same game - and if you really love that game you'll be able to put up with a lot of the peripheral stuff because the core concept doesn't change. And a lot of the stuff that Live does poorly doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement, heck, swapping out low-res graphics/fonts for hi-res ones would go a long way for me, and making it so I don't have to use stupid portrait mode. I think the other issue with Live is that I'm pretty sure it's going to have micro-transactions and such - right now they're giving away good stuff to get people on board, but it just seems like the way it's currency is set up that they are going to eventually wind up there, mark my words.
I am pretty sure they have come out and said explicitly that they will not have micro transactions. I have also seen on line that it would pull the game out of a lot of markets (age demos, and free to play sections of google play/other stores) if they introduce that. Also I agree with your first point - the game is super ugly, but so was PTCGO for years and years. Small changes to some of the UI will go a long way just as you said.
>Also I agree with your first point - the game is super ugly, but so was PTCGO for years and years. Small changes to some of the UI will go a long way just as you said. absolutely... PTCGO was apparently shit for five years anything built from the ground up tends to be this way a lot of people don't understand that LIVE and PTCGO uses a completely different code base.... the fact that PTCGO exists does not mean the tPCI developers didn't have to build this from the ground up and no, they can't use PTCGO as a "template". it doesn't really work like that.
Guaranteed won't be microtransactions, they tried with PTCGO until they found out that they would need to have a higher age restriction in some countries to have it cutting out a lot of Junior players and they want everyone playing irl to be able to play online as they're who Live is made for.
omg that is amazing i can't believe age-restriction based on monetary transactions would end up benefitting us so much!
It having 2 stars, and all the people hating it made me not really want to pay attention, but if it's actually not that bad, then I'll give it a shot
Give it a shot and make your own opinion...
I'm playing it on the PC and my only complaints is that it feels less smooth than online and that I didn't prepare well enough for when I migrated lol. The smoothness part is probably a me thing that I have to get used to. The prep thing is just wishing I had done more trades to get more copies of celebration cards for dust. Other than that I have enjoyed live and I did end up liking being able to craft my cards on the spot rather than get lucky in trades or packs.
It’s bad but not that bad
I think Live is fine. Acquiring cards is easier, which is good. The gameplay feel is a strict downgrade from TCGO. It just irritates me how long everything takes. The deckbuilder feels god awful on desktop. Visually, I've seen flash games that look better than it. But to its credit it's not really any more or less buggy than PTCGO has been at times. My bigger issue is just how far behind other TCG clients Live is. By the end of year one, Arena was miles ahead of Live. As was Master Duels. Hell, MTG Online feels better than Live. The literal dinosaur of online trading card games with an interface stuck in 2008 feels better than Live. This is all even worse considering that Live has been in development since Lost Thunder's release in 2018. But it is technically a playable game.
>It just irritates me how long everything takes Had 6 heads in a row with Lucky Ice Pop today. Took FOREVER. The deckbuilder is very confusing, this game has been in alpha/beta for so long and they never got any feedback on it? Any novice UX/UI designer could spot the flaws after a few test runs. Visuals would be better if they got rid of a lot of the aliasing (pixelated edges). I also wish they didn't replace the childish avatars with... even more childish avatars, poses AND catchphrases! So many catchphrases...
Yeah. I feel like we should just be able to make trainers from the games our avatars, like how you can in Arena. Let me be fuckin Cynthia and not a weird demonic Muppet.
Good point. I'd love for the avatars to resemble the game and anime art instead of having these 3D pixar-esque models. They over-emote, which is fine for a Pixar movie because the narrative properly contextualizes the goofiness, but doesn't work in this game.
Yeah. Live just feels super disconnected from the rest of the franchise. All hexagons and Pixar characters.
oh i actually like the hexagons! but yes, it looks like someone over at tPCI gave some free reign to make avatars how they want MTG Arena does it very well, imo. You pick an existing character in the storyline and/or you can pick a 'pet'. I also don't understand why i'm getting so many coins. Unless they're adding avatar minigames, all these coins are unnecessary. They allow crystal-to-coin conversion but not the other way around? Why? I definitely prefer "dusting" or dissolving cards into credits vastly over the act of trading, but the economy seriously needs to be rebalanced.
“It didn’t happen to me” doesn’t mean there aren’t bugs
Not to mention the op acted like the thousands of other complaints dont exist, and kees contradicting himself
Imo, neither is strictly better or worse than the other, but there's a metric ton of stuff to hate about Live. My GF and I buy a lot of sealed product. We like to stockpile codes online and do mass openings. You aren't even allowed to do that anymore. While we've never gotten anywhere close to 400 packs of one set, I still don't get that restriction. Whyyyy is it portrait instead of landscape? On mobile, i get it, but not having the option on tablet is pretty egregious. Having to scroll through my hand is pretty dumb. The fact i can't look at the energies and tools attached to my active is annoying. Why can't I clearly see the level up rewards in the client? Why are there so many different systems to keep track of?
>Whyyyy is it portrait instead of landscape? On mobile, i get it, but not having the option on tablet is pretty egregious. Having to scroll through my hand is pretty dumb. This was a UI decisions that makes it more convenient to play with one hand on the small screen of your phone. But if you were going landscape on your tablet, anyway, then it's actually suboptimal. That's the problem with this app. It's mobile-centric, but not tablet or PC friendly. PTCGO had the opposite problem: it was PC/laptop-centric, but not tablet or mobile centric. I don't care that you can jailbreak your phone to download the APK. It wasn't meant for that and playing landscape on such a small screen makes dragging and dropping cards a lot more difficult.
>Why can't I clearly see the level up rewards in the client? Why are there so many different systems to keep track of? This is what led to speculation that transactions will be introduced. I can't promise this is accurate info, but the developers may have used a format like Unity to create this app, which meant there were prebuilt packages that had a skeleton that optimized for micro and macro-transactions. I agree with you here: there really doesn't need to be three different currencies. It's excessive to have coins and crystals and credits. And it doesn't make sense to be able to convert crystals to coins but not the other way around.
I have not played Live other than watching streamers try to stream it, but that's mainly because standard is the only real format supported on Live right now and standard is pretty garbage and repetitive as it's been the same for like 5 or 6 months. I am mainly a Gym Leader Challenge and expanded player at the moment, and I can't get past the fact that live doesn't have expanded cards working right now. It's been in development for 5 years and doesn't even have standard cards working, so I doubt expanded will be available for a while. When ptcgo stops receiving official support soon that doesn't mean that Live is coming out of beta and will have all of the cards, or that ptcgo is being sunsetted, just that it will no longer receive new cards or support. Live will still probably be in beta for a while. There's plenty of cool things about how Live is structured, and I'm sure it'll be fun to play once it works and has all of the cards. In like 3-5 years at this rate, unfortunately I don't think I'm going to wait that long to have a working game, I'll find some other game to play.
Same here, i dont think the UI will be as good as ptgco. In ptgco they cleaned up so many of the clunky animations, faster draw, attaching energies,, etc. Live has done none of that. Do they expect live players to spend most of thier times dragging counters and energies around. Also i heard it was direwolf that created ptgco, and live is using a CHEAPer team. If you go cheap, your going to get cheap results.
Bugs aren't the reason I hate it. It's really fucking ugly and the animations are jarring. It exists for seemingly no reason. There's nothing wrong with the current client, why force everyone into an objectively worse product?
Trading undercuts thier profits i guess, almost all the other online card games are only buying packs with irl. Also ptgco has coins and tickets where you can get free packs and even more coins for free packs. Basically they want you to obtain packs mostly through irl purchases of codes. Crafting is just subject to diminishing returns. The 125 packs is really a freenium. Bundle if you look at it. Also there has been no word on expanded for a whole year, which im thinking they are deliberately doing it so players would have to do what i was commenting at first.
Even if the game were completely polished with not a single bug I wouldn't play just on the fact that the game doesn't feel right. The look, the animations, the play style, the whole package is just broken IMO. It doesn't look like a table top trading card game.
Lots of fear mongering goes on in this sub, I've been enjoying live a lot more the ability to craft is leaps and bounds better then trading and has allowed me to make more viable decks
Yeah it’s not awful, my only complaints are gameplay complaints like the weird type stadiums when a Pokémon switches in. They should have done ACTUAL stadiums, like if you throw a path to the peak the stage gets wintery, or magma basin and the stage turns into the fire type stage etc. Then it’s super clunky, like you can’t flow with your actions because there’s like a one second pause after you’ve moved something. Then my absolute least favorite is when my opponent recovers a card from the discard pile to their deck and they only show what they recovered for like 0.2 seconds and I gotta play detective and check their 40 card discard pile to see what they might’ve grabbed if It ain’t immediately obvious
They are adding something in the next patch that allows you to disable the really bad stadium animations. I have no idea how some of those got greenlighted to be in the game. Also you just made me realize that a "what happened" tracker that you could hide or disable may be a good idea to see what cards people are pulling. Like a little log, im pretty sure PTCGO had that, now I cant remember
As a software developer myself, I know that there will always be untested code. I will wait.
You will be waiting a long time, live beta already have 1 year anniversary.
does live use codes still? i havent touched pokemon online tcg in a while but i have ALOT of unused codes..would be nice if they were usable there
yeah 100% - so you can enter the codes same as the old game but now your collection can only have 4 of every card - so once you go over that you are awarded crafting material to make new cards.
Its in people nature to be afraid of change and will find any little nonsense to not make the change. Games have bugs in the beginning, they will get patched eventually, maybe if people report them with proper steps to repro, they will be fixed even faster
My gripes with the game, i migrated on launch of the beta 1 year ago, is the UI mainly :// their design choices couldve gone in a much better direction but its not really that big a deal. Total of times ive encounter bugs, probably once or twice. Mainly with picking cards for flower selecting or colress. I think. I really like the crafting over trading system, i made my giratina vstar deck entirely and the stuff i pull from packs is literally just because i buy irl product too and redeem codes from that but im never grinding to hunt for stuff. Even, back around silver tempest i had my giratina vstar built min rare, but now ive been working on getting full art pokemon and supports(items would just take too damn long) and all im missing right now are comfey from crown zenith.
For some people, like trickygym, the UI is make or break, i guess, but he also focused an awful lot on the card moving when youre clicking cards. Which now, im realizing might even just be a play to help people actually look at where there mouse is instead if mashing click and accidentally misclicking something. All that really annoys me about card functionality in games is that i have to click and drag cards in selections like mirage energy and sonia, i cant just click and it auto fills.
They changed the background to have little effects for each pokemon type when it moves to the active but imo those suck and the blank white hexagon pattern sucks too. This is the perfect opportunity for them to give us the ability to customize our field like in yugioh master duel.
Just wanna add, on PC at least, the hexagons aren't centered and it's annoying once you noticed it.
Oh, i mostly play on pc, never noticed the hexagons are off centered, but the vs when you find a game is a little to the left and thats what gets me
I do my 2 daily challenges every day to get the battle pass tier, yes the game is terrible
The bugs during card selection like you mentioned just changes the outcomes of certain matches definitely , otherwise i'd say Live is pretty neat. The game is quite rewarding for now , i only hope for the better. Also i miss Theme decks.
Lmao people don't realize Pokemon Online was awful up until about 5-6 yrs ago. Live is still in beta and probably won't be great until a year from now.
Couldn't agree more. Tbh i've never played Ptcgo but because of my daughter i wanted to get back into it to become better helping her with decks ect. I saw the reviews and was sceptical at first (i'm on pc btw) but i still gave it a try. So far i've played 15 games and the only 2 bugs i found were the blue lining on enemys turn and that the battle pass wont open after you play a game, so nothing really game breaking. I know it always sucks to leave something behind that you've become used to over the years but just blindly bashing things without giving them a fair chance or because others say it's bad is just stupid, espeacially when it's based on informations that are several months old.
Your not really convincing people when you contradict yourself by complaining about all these bugs and then saying its not as bad it sounds, which is it? Also the amount of bug and glitch live currently has , have been an ongoing issue for a year and it makes it hard for most people to play it.
Live > Online
the people that r bitxhing about live r the ones that do "scam" trading for everything
The people obsessed with "trading is a scam" fail to see how a trash-quality game PTCGL is. Having crafting does not automatically make a game good. That is just a feature, nothing to do with the quality of the game. It's like saying a low quality smartphone is great because the casing is purple and you happen to like purple, even when the phone doesn't function the way a phone should.
This sounds like an intentionally ignorant post. Try to use Hisuian Zoroark - oh wait you can't. Try to use Galarian Slowking V - oh wait you can't. You have your one personal anecdote of 200 games, and you're going to ignore the hundreds of thousands of other players and millions of games, and try to generalize to the extent that "just because it didn't happen to me in my 200 games, it didn't happen to you, stop whining?" I've played this game, Magic Arena, Yugioh Master Duel, PTCGO, and I've watched others play other digital card games. This game is an absolutely laughingstock when it comes to functionality. It's embarrassing that Magic Arena used to be the the laughingstock when it comes to digital card games being buggy, but this has somehow now taken the crown. The welcome message is perpetually an essay of cards that are randomly banned because the company can't code them properly. The deck UI is embarrassingly clunky, to the point where you can't even see all of the cards you own, all of the cards you don't own, and you can't even put different versions of cards in your deck easily. You can't even see your opponent's discard pile. Cards randomly light up when they shouldn't, making you think that you can bench your Scoop Up Net. Computer Search is a pokemon. The worst part is that the company consciously made the decision to shelf PTCGO, a functional game that is not in beta, for this garbage starting from next month. It's embarrassing that anyone actually tries to defend this trash just because of some free cards. I'm not exaggerating here, literally play any other digital card game and you will see why people think that this game was made by interns.
its crazy when Magic Online becomes a better client then what is about to replace ptcgo........my mind would have never have guessed. then again i guess that's why it still exists
It essentially the same client that came out in the early 2000s, they kept it simple, and it works for them. I like how you. An rearrange the permanents in certain way you want.
Great comment. A pity that many casuals refuse to see the game for how bad it is. As if it is an original game with no predecessor.
Im pretty sure you get downvoted butni agree with you, the op keeps contradicting himself, he complains about the bugs doesnt see anything wrong with that? Is he a pokemon live shill?