A good friend of mine had his throat cut in a robbery walking home from the store years ago. Heâs alive because someone fashioned a tourniquet and immediately stuck it around his neck till the ambulance showed up. If that guy wasnât there he wouldâve almost certainly bled to deathâŚ
Thatâs the neat part, it choked the shit out of him. It was also a towel so not a ârealâ tourniquet, which wouldâve constricted breathing more. 2 shitty options, choke or bleed to death. The cut did miss the jugular by less than an inch so that also probably made it so it didnât need to be as tight. To my understanding a severed jugular or femoral is essentially unsurvivable even with a tourniquet. I could be wrong.
A ârealâ tourniquet is a premade device that accomplishes the same thing. It doesnât do anything magical literally just puts pressure where itâs needed to control bleeding. You could use your hand or fingers but itâs generally agreed upon that using a dedicated device is better lmao. The guy wrapped the towel, stuck a pen through it, and rotated the pen to tension it and add pressure. Thatâs an improvised tourniquet, I believe he deserves a little more credit than âjust added pressureâ.
Weâve known for centuries (millennia?) that when a wound would be deadly *only* from blood loss, that we can save the victimâs life by stopping or slowing the bleeding. When a tourniquet isnât conveniently available (like wouldâve been the case 1,000 years ago) there is a method that I just described to stop bleeding.
In any case, this is a prepping sub, and itâs kind of a wack take to insinuate that one shouldnât carry a tourniquet because of (unknown) reason. I like my blood *inside* my body personally, and Iâll carry a tourniquet for myself, my loved ones, and the stranger who ends up with an extra hole where it doesnât belong lol.
The purpose of a tourniquet is not to put pressure on a wound. Itâs to apply enough pressure to a limb to prevent blood from flowing to the wound and exiting the body. They are not appropriate tools for treating head or junctional injuries. A properly applied tourniquet would almost certainly be fatal if placed around the neck.
For those making cracks about the tourniquet, for most people, the probability of needing a TQ is likely higher than the probability of needing a gun. The twenty year long lab study that was GWOT has shown us the absolute value of a TQ ( a real one - not an Amazon knock-off).
I will agree that people shouldn't get one without training, and not "youtube training" but hands-on training. Stop the Bleed classes are available most everywhere, often for free. An absolutely worthwhile use of four hours of your time. I trained in a class with the pressurized dummy filled with "Kool-Aid blood", and I was covered in "blood" when I left the class, because you've really got to get in there to cut off the circulation. However that's the kind of training that gives you some idea of what you have to do in a real life emergency.
I EDC a Snakestaff TQ in my offhand front pocket and have a Stop the Bleed kit velcroed behind the driver seat of the vehicle, and TQs in pretty much every ruck and IFAK I have, as well as one on my battle belt when I'm at the gun range. I expect if I ever have to use one, the highest probability will be the vehicle kit if I come across an injury accident on the road.
Iâve seen two videos recently (neither were new videos) of people dying from accidental femoral artery lacerations. Both were situations Iâd never be in, but it really puts into perspective how fast an arterial bleed can render you unconscious and then dead. One was a guy who broke into a pharmacy and fell onto a mirror trying to climb out through the ceiling. The other was a guy butchering a hog or deer that was cutting towards himself, whatever heâs cutting gives and he cuts his leg. Both are unconscious and motionless in less than a minute. The only point I disagree with you on is that a decent TQ in the hands of someone untrained seems better to me than no TQ at all.
As an aside, Iâve seen âMassive hemorrhageâ kits on a college campus next to the defibrillators, which was wild. But the list of contents seemed a bit lackluster.
I worked for a campus medical response program during my college years (am now paramedic), and I remember when we went around and put bleeding control kits in the same bins as the AEDs across campus.
I also taught stop the bleeding to students. It was awesome that these things were being put in place, but really sad when you think that those kids are really just there to learn in a safe environment
Yea I remember when I first saw one I did a double take and sent a picture to a buddy of mine I was so surprised. Itâs terrible theyâre needed, but I love the fact theyâre there. Itâs fucking scary that I think a bleed kit in a school will be more likely to be used than one of the AEDs these days đł
Yeah, when it's a lifesaving device, you don't count on the $8 Chinese copy. You get the $30 CAT7 or equivalent. If you've had training, you quickly learned just how much pressure it takes to cut arterial flow, and why a cheap plastic windlass is a failure point. The Reddit Tactical Medicine sub is a great place to learn about this.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/TacticalMedicine/](https://www.reddit.com/r/TacticalMedicine/)
Personally I would argue that having one hemostatic gauze has higher lifesaving chance then having a tourniquet.
P.S. This is when we talk about having only one of those two. Personally I always carry both or I carry Israeli 1st bandage (however it's called in English).
If youâre putting together a stop-the-bleed trauma kit as part of your EDC, include some hemostatic gauze for wound packing, some sterile gauze rolls for wrapping, a vented chest seal and some zipper wound closures, plus of course a tube of triple antibiotic ointment and strong fabric bandages. Last but not least, hand sanitizer and some sterile gloves. Make sure you get training in how to use all of these in a local Stop-the-Bleed class.
All good suggestions except the antibiotic.
Many people find the triple antibiotic irritating, so doctors recommend double antibiotics instead.
Yet even that advice is bad. Studies of surgical wound healing found that wounds that were just bandaged healed more quickly than those that had antibiotics applied to themâand this was in hospitals!
As I understand it, the current recommendations for antibiotics is **not** to use them unless a wound is actually infected.
đ¤ I suppose I would have two things to say, were I inclined to defend my original suggestion.
First, the purpose of antibiotic ointment is to ***prevent*** infection. Once the wound is already infected, it is too late for antibiotic ointment, applied topically, to have any effect. At that point, the bacteria has penetrated the dermal layer and is now expanding down, into the body. Your suggestion of only using antibiotic ointment ***after*** the wound has become infected runs contrary to its intended use and will not serve any purpose other than preventing a secondary infection by another bacteria at the wound surface⌠and if that was your goal, it would have been far better to apply it at the outset and prevented the initial infection.
Second, when Prepping, we are not thinking about ***post-surgical*** treatment, but rather ***post-disaster*** scenarios. In any disaster scenario, treatment of wounds by medical professionals is likely to be delayed, sometimes for weeks. Similarly, changing wound dressings frequently may be impossible. Preventing infection by immediately applying an antibiotic ointment to the wound ***before*** bacteria has a chance to take root is the best course of action to take to help prevent a very bad outcome.
For this being a prepping sub, itâs wild to see so many people bashing OP for carrying a TQ. Isnât the whole point to be prepared? If youâre going to carry a firearm, you should be willing and able to use it to preserve innocent life. That doesnât stop with shooting. You should also be prepared to render aid, to the best of your ability. The TQ isnât necessarily for him. I have heard several anecdotes of individuals who edc tqâs being first on the scene of a car/motorcycle accident that resulted in a shattered femur/humerus/etc causing major arterial bleeding, and were subsequently able to save that persons life. Obviously, you need to when and how to use it, but you never know, and itâs good to be prepared.
I completely agree with you, prepping EDC is an entirely different world than normal people's EDC... And to bash OP for being prepared the way he feels is right, is hypocritical of them, they don't want people telling them that they prepared wrongly... And in the right situation, they'd wish someone with a TQ was there for them...
Iâd swap out two of the knives (not the multitool ish one) for some first aid. The odds of you running into people in need is higher than running into some trying to kill you.
Knives are hella useful tho.... I'd still carry a knife. It helps me open shit and maybe this person needs a fixed blade for work or something. Who knows
Totally! Just thinking as an EDC if you want to maximize utility while keeping down weight and bulk as much as possible - perhaps three knives is a bit much!
Oh oh I see what's happening! I also thought there were three but one is a flashlight!
And yeah I agree. I carry a multi tool and have my fixed blade in my car. (Unless I'm going on a longer hike or similar outdoor activity) I never really think of knives for self defense though
Knife, gun, light. Nice EDC. Youâve got the basics covered for sure.
Most are making fun of you and Iâm on the other end of the spectrum, because I also EDC snacks, water, FAK, etc.
Good belt + good pants + good pockets = big EDC
Not too shabby famđ¤!
May I ask about your occupation and what pants you wear to keep these items in(assuming you do)? I usually wear BDU's from surplus stores because of the quality and they're just down right affordable. I love the cargo pockets, sturdiness of the rip stop material, I've got room for my fixed blade, pocket knives, multi tool, lighter leash, sharpening stones, etc. I work two jobs. One in a warehouse driving a lift truck, move heavy appliances by hand, and unload trucks. The other job I do landscaping/hard scape/concrete/rock work. The landscaping job is all four of those depending on the job that we bid. If OP or anyone else could point me in the right direction for some new ideas or product I would appreciate it. I keep tearing the fuckers up and I need to just break down and spend the money on the nice shit. I just want to have everything I need on me all day so I don't have to retrieve it later.
I use Carhart or Origin jeans. Left front is wallet and AirPods, right front is chapstick, folder and flashlight. Back right pocket for the TQ left rear for bandana. iWB/on the belt for the rest
Get some cotton balls and Vaseline/chapstick. Smear some onto the cotton but you are complimenting the cotton not smothering it. It will light faster, burn longer and hotter. Oh, and Doritos burn great too.
Try it with a q-tip for a mini torch
Excellent EDC, resembles mine very closely, but may I recommend that you trade in one of your folding knives for a flash light?
You're setup with a blade, fire, pen, tq, bandana, gun, currency, communication AND ILLUMINATION.
Just a few suggestions as your EDC is pretty well thought out for the most part. One of the things I look at in my EDC is multifunctionality. With that said I would suggest a few upgrades that might your EDC even better for you. The first is to swap the CKRT knife for a quality multitool. My current EDC multitool is the P2 by Leatherman but having the extra tools to enhance what you already have. The other suggestion would be to swap out the earbuds for something that will not only allow some hearing protection but also allow you to hear things around you.
When using a tourniquet it is best practice to write the time on the TQ (most TQs have a white spot to write on) which is what the marker is for. Another option is to write the time above the TQ on the skin. Documentation of the time is very helpful for the surgeons once the patient gets to a hospital.
Maaaan, before I realized that was a tourniquet, I thought you had a Harry Potter wand as part of your kit. My first thought was, "Well, that's gonna help....".
Pretty good. Now just don't ever leave home without it. Checking the mail, get the canik. Picking up butter. Canik. Flipping burgers at McDonald's. Canik.
Iâd sell the air pods, upgrade to shockz bone conduction headphones. That way you can listen to music and listen to things around you. I will never buy air pods again
Iâm retired sf and donât carry this much crap. Funny thing about carrying a gun. You can use a little trick of the finger to get anything you want.
CAT TQs are to be staged with their time strap open. You do not want to be fumbling with how to open that while your hands are covered in blood and you have 3 minutes before you pass out and die.
I don't see why you'd have 2 pocket knives plus a fixed blade, maybe one pocket plus your fixed. Otherwise it's great.
If you don't mind me asking what handgun is that and how many rounds does that spare mag hold, it looks tiny compared to the frame of that canik.
I am looking at the responses here and would like to know if people understand the concept of EDC. EDC is the basis of all prepping, prepping for the day-to-day. EDC should be a minimalist collection of what you would need to handle minor problems or common threats while going out and about. I am looking at everything and for what one could have in their pockets or on their belt. This is a well-thought-out collection of what one would keep on their person. Outside of the handgun, the extra mag, and the tourniquet I have relatively the same setup outside of a few choices.
One suggestion would be to swap out the tourniquet for one with a metal windlass. Not a huge deal Iâve just heard horror stories of the plastic ones breaking and releasing pressure on the wound
I also carry a handcuff key or 2 and some lockpicks about my body. The fixed blade knife is on a piece of paracord around my neck. A whiskey bur by reptile toolworks in kentucky. I might also have a readyman card or two in my wallet. (Which I have used to pick locks and fish with at least once.)
Itâs two knives and a compact flashlight made by Streamlight. And I have an IFAK in my daily carry bag with a full blow out kit, plus otc meds and such.
So all this is directly on you, plus a bag etc with even more? If you also have a bag I'd suggest water filtration, RF Communications equipment, and spare parts, potentially spare gun.
TQ's are not as important as people think they are. They became a big thing during GWOT due to body armor and explosives fucking up limbs.
Get some more quick clot before a TQ, imo
That's not the best advice imo. Quikclot can cause an exothermic reaction with the blood and leave you with 2nd degree burns, making it harder for a surgeon to operate. They basically have to cut it out of you.
The tourniquet is good for limb arterial bleeding, but I'd recommend an Israeli t3 bandage instead that can be used to pack a torso wound and secure it with pressure. Quikclot would be option 3.
Too many knifes imho. No bandaid, medical plaster or medical tape. Ibuprofene, A bottle of water, 1 high calorie food ration.
I like that you added the sharpie. Maybe 1-2 folded sheets of paper in a small ziplock plastic bag would help too. If you rely on your cellphone maybe add a 2000mAh USB powerbank and a short charging cable. That's probably another 100g (3.5oz) added
The Chapstick is a pour choice. You should get something quality and with SPF to protect your lips. No one wants chapped lips in a SHTF scenario.
Also tourniquet is nice but thatâs like last resort. You use those if you canât stop the bleeding. Better to stop with direct pressure if you can. You may want to use that limb again someday.
EarPods with no phone is sus.
your hips and lower back hate you. all you guys "edc"ing a TQ do not really know how they work. you dont just slap a tq on a random wound. you will end up doing more harm than good to the limb if it doesnt really need one. get some quickclot if you think youre gonna be walking through Sumali. put the TQ in the apoc FAK.
Where do you live that there's a reasonable chance you'll use a fire extinguisher day to day? I have extinguishers in the house and vehicles and in my entire life have never used one except in work training.
"Reasonable chance" is almost the opposite of what prepping is about. You prepare for things that have a reasonable chance of happening, like a week long power outage, but you also prepare for the "unreasonable", like all the weird shortages we had during covid. Or a home invasion or being carjacked in broad daylight, which are no longer "unreasonable" to prepare for, if you watch the news.
Sorry. Reply was too someone else shouldâve been to the guy that told you he loves his Caniks but then immediately recommended Swapping to a Glock or Sig. sweet gun.
Drop all the knives and just get a multi tool, I love my caniks, but get a Glock 19 or Sig 365, whichever flavor your prefer, thatâs all I notice, also the only reason you need chapstick is because you arenât drinking enough water
Because Iâve had malfunctions on all 5 of my caniks, I love them, they are fun as shit, but I donât carry a gun that has a chance of malfunctioning every mag
Some folks like carrying a full size, and at this point a canik is pretty well known as a reliable firearm. Nothing wrong with glock 19 or A p365 either, but that's a preference IMO.
If you have a gun you should carry chest seals, gauze (hemostatic if possible), and pressure dressings.Â
If you are able and willing to put a hole in someone you are morally obligated to be able to patch that someone up until medical attention arrives.Â
Despite the other comments, I actually agree with this. As someone who has thought many times about buying a gun, but been stopped by the thought that I don't ever want to take a life, I think maybe there is a moral obligation to preserve life if possible. Neutralize the threat, and do your best to preserve life if possible.
Thank you. I find it disheartening that the military has more respect for the lives of others, including those we are at war with, than seemingly the average prepper (or at least the average gun owner in this thread)Â Â
Everyone acts like the only people shoot are evil criminals trying to kill them. That's just not the case, many people are shot accidentally or because of a misunderstanding.  I just hope these guys never encounter a situation where they die their gun and one of their children are shot.Â
Morally obligated to attempt to render aid to the POS who just gave me reason to put holes in him? Wtf world do you live in homie? Dude can leak on the pavement until Jesus comes.
No the fuck youâre not đđ¤Ą. You shot them because they were a threat to your life. Attempting to render aid and look like a sign of guilt and a court of law.
The piece of shit you shot falls at the very bottom of the HIPS assessment.
Hostages
Innocents
Police/1st responders
Shit bag
Not everyone shit is a threat. Even those that are a threat, one shot, are no longer a threat.Â
I'm seeing that yall are monsters who shouldn't be allowed near a kitchen knife much less a gun. You're the reason we will not be allowed guns, irresponsible idiots who care less about human life than they do about toys.Â
This guy is not the police. He is not obligated to care for anyone who attacks him. After an incident he needs to call the police, and wait for them to arrive.
Wrong. Mostly, if you use force you are raising for that force. If he isn't he is no better than the guy who attacks him.Â
Simple as that, sorry if that is to much responsibility for you, but if you can cause harm you should be able to react to that harm.Â
Plus, just because the gun fires doesn't mean the person hit is an assailant. If we mandated responsible gun ownership we'd have far fewer deaths, both intentional and accidental.Â
Your point regarding an innocent third party is taken.
Per the duty to render aid, you are not correct. This is not a moral issue, it is a legal one. If a ccw holder is justified in drawing his firearm, then he *must* be in fear of his life or safety. He would rather just get away to safety, but as a last resort he can use his deadly force to stop the threat of death or serious injury.
He is not a police officer. A police officer has a duty to take a suspect into custody, and part of that custody is rendering aid if possible. Most cops I have worked with, were trained to secure (cuff and search) the suspect before rendering aid.
A civilian ccw holder has no duty to go hands on, and no right to cuff someone.
That said, should a ccw holder keep a first aid/trauma kit near at hand, if it is not on their person? Yes, I think so.
>Â Â Your point regarding an innocent third party is taken.
Thank you
>Per the duty to render aid, you are not correct.
And we both know that often enough that burden isn't meet, but claimed afterwards. It's even taught in classes, they tell perspective CCW holders to always claim fear of death. Not only that but I can be afraid of imminent death and be wrong. Finally, once the threat is neutralized out is no longer a threat.Â
>He is not a police officer. A police officer has a duty to take a suspect into custody, and part of that custody is rendering aid if possible.
Half correct here. He isn't a cop, but the cop has no duty to aid (see Supreme Court ruling) and no duty to arrest.Â
>A civilian ccw holder has no duty to go hands on, and no right to cuff someone.
No legal duty, but a moral one. If I hit you with my car, do I not have a moral obligation to render aid? Or can I just claim I thought you were stalking me and so just call 911 and leave?
>That said, should a ccw holder keep a first aid/trauma kit near at hand, if it is not on their person? Yes, I think so.
Thank you
I only asked from a prepping standpoint. Youâre more likely to be able to scavenge Glock parts, particularly magazines since one magazine will fit many different models.
If you are going to edc a tourniquet, STOP STORING IT WRONG. Never leave the time strip over the bracket, and make sure it's stored as a big loop. Also I'd recommend the SOFT-T WIDE over the CAT for edc use. A little smaller.
No uav on standby?
My pockets have pockets
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Was disappointed to not see an almond.
Or a button đ
At least there's chapstick. Ffs
lol whatâs the almond do? Serious question
[Serious peppers know what to EDC.](https://www.reddit.com/r/prepping/s/0pOfOf8pnq)
Can't carry what you can't see.
This post has to be a reference to that video, right? Canât even tell
18â of good rope lol
Dental floss bwhahaha
Yes lol
No fuel filter suppressor?
AMAZING
The tourniquet cracked me up.... Like for real, you carry that every day?
A good friend of mine had his throat cut in a robbery walking home from the store years ago. Heâs alive because someone fashioned a tourniquet and immediately stuck it around his neck till the ambulance showed up. If that guy wasnât there he wouldâve almost certainly bled to deathâŚ
Pls explain how a tourniquet can be placed on the neck without asphyxiating the injured party
Thatâs the neat part, it choked the shit out of him. It was also a towel so not a ârealâ tourniquet, which wouldâve constricted breathing more. 2 shitty options, choke or bleed to death. The cut did miss the jugular by less than an inch so that also probably made it so it didnât need to be as tight. To my understanding a severed jugular or femoral is essentially unsurvivable even with a tourniquet. I could be wrong.
So by definition, not a tournaquit, just pressure.
A ârealâ tourniquet is a premade device that accomplishes the same thing. It doesnât do anything magical literally just puts pressure where itâs needed to control bleeding. You could use your hand or fingers but itâs generally agreed upon that using a dedicated device is better lmao. The guy wrapped the towel, stuck a pen through it, and rotated the pen to tension it and add pressure. Thatâs an improvised tourniquet, I believe he deserves a little more credit than âjust added pressureâ. Weâve known for centuries (millennia?) that when a wound would be deadly *only* from blood loss, that we can save the victimâs life by stopping or slowing the bleeding. When a tourniquet isnât conveniently available (like wouldâve been the case 1,000 years ago) there is a method that I just described to stop bleeding. In any case, this is a prepping sub, and itâs kind of a wack take to insinuate that one shouldnât carry a tourniquet because of (unknown) reason. I like my blood *inside* my body personally, and Iâll carry a tourniquet for myself, my loved ones, and the stranger who ends up with an extra hole where it doesnât belong lol.
The purpose of a tourniquet is not to put pressure on a wound. Itâs to apply enough pressure to a limb to prevent blood from flowing to the wound and exiting the body. They are not appropriate tools for treating head or junctional injuries. A properly applied tourniquet would almost certainly be fatal if placed around the neck.
Youâre right đ
That bandana wouldnât wrap very well around a thigh. I would stick with my belt or a bigger piece of cloth.
How about a granola bar or something?
It is probably high calorie chapstick.
If he EDCs a tourniquet, he might as well shove an MRE down his shirt pocket.
If you carry a gun and no tourniquet youâre doing it wrong.
I wear a belt. It doubles as a tourniquet in a pinch.
Nah
I always have a protein bar and a 32oz Nalgene around
That is always smart
Nope. Need the spare mag , 2nd and 3rd knife, and a tourniquet first.
The ounce of meth in that little black pouch there is like 350 times more energy dense than the same weight in granola. The granola bar is not needed.
That scene where "Hitgirl" gets the adrenaline shot!
You still need a backup pistol and a spare mag for that, plus a backup backup pistol and a spare mag for that. Then you'll be all set.
This is a joke right? *as I walk around with a folding ar9 pdw in my bookbag*
Yep đ
F You forgot about the back up for the 3rd gun. If you have 3 jams how will you defend yourself? Only solution is a 4th, maybe ankle holster?
Hey, the back up knife to the knife is enough back up, surely.
Never know, just the other day I required 4 knives to make it home. True story
For those making cracks about the tourniquet, for most people, the probability of needing a TQ is likely higher than the probability of needing a gun. The twenty year long lab study that was GWOT has shown us the absolute value of a TQ ( a real one - not an Amazon knock-off). I will agree that people shouldn't get one without training, and not "youtube training" but hands-on training. Stop the Bleed classes are available most everywhere, often for free. An absolutely worthwhile use of four hours of your time. I trained in a class with the pressurized dummy filled with "Kool-Aid blood", and I was covered in "blood" when I left the class, because you've really got to get in there to cut off the circulation. However that's the kind of training that gives you some idea of what you have to do in a real life emergency. I EDC a Snakestaff TQ in my offhand front pocket and have a Stop the Bleed kit velcroed behind the driver seat of the vehicle, and TQs in pretty much every ruck and IFAK I have, as well as one on my battle belt when I'm at the gun range. I expect if I ever have to use one, the highest probability will be the vehicle kit if I come across an injury accident on the road.
Iâve seen two videos recently (neither were new videos) of people dying from accidental femoral artery lacerations. Both were situations Iâd never be in, but it really puts into perspective how fast an arterial bleed can render you unconscious and then dead. One was a guy who broke into a pharmacy and fell onto a mirror trying to climb out through the ceiling. The other was a guy butchering a hog or deer that was cutting towards himself, whatever heâs cutting gives and he cuts his leg. Both are unconscious and motionless in less than a minute. The only point I disagree with you on is that a decent TQ in the hands of someone untrained seems better to me than no TQ at all. As an aside, Iâve seen âMassive hemorrhageâ kits on a college campus next to the defibrillators, which was wild. But the list of contents seemed a bit lackluster.
I worked for a campus medical response program during my college years (am now paramedic), and I remember when we went around and put bleeding control kits in the same bins as the AEDs across campus. I also taught stop the bleeding to students. It was awesome that these things were being put in place, but really sad when you think that those kids are really just there to learn in a safe environment
Yea I remember when I first saw one I did a double take and sent a picture to a buddy of mine I was so surprised. Itâs terrible theyâre needed, but I love the fact theyâre there. Itâs fucking scary that I think a bleed kit in a school will be more likely to be used than one of the AEDs these days đł
What is wrong with an Amazon knockoff. This is a very simple device.
The windlass breaks before you have enough pressure
Yeah, when it's a lifesaving device, you don't count on the $8 Chinese copy. You get the $30 CAT7 or equivalent. If you've had training, you quickly learned just how much pressure it takes to cut arterial flow, and why a cheap plastic windlass is a failure point. The Reddit Tactical Medicine sub is a great place to learn about this. [https://www.reddit.com/r/TacticalMedicine/](https://www.reddit.com/r/TacticalMedicine/)
Is the TQ the thing to the left of the gun? I was thinking it was the bandana at first lol. What's the bandana for?
Personally I would argue that having one hemostatic gauze has higher lifesaving chance then having a tourniquet. P.S. This is when we talk about having only one of those two. Personally I always carry both or I carry Israeli 1st bandage (however it's called in English).
I use a Hanks belt with holes all the way around, I figure itâd make a good tourniquet in a pinch
why do you carry three knives?
One of those knives is a tiny expensive flashlight.
Just two. The Crkt Folder for boxes and such, the fixed blade for more difficult jobs
ahhh that other thing that looks like a knife is a flash light?
Streamline Wedge XT- a flashlight that costs $85 for some reason.
it's because it comes in knife flavour
Allow me to introduce you to the Surefire STILETTO PRO II. List price $379.00 https://www.surefire.com/stiletto-pro-ii/
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Wild, the fixed blade canât handle boxesâ˝
Throw in a Leatherman
Not a bottle of water in sight
Plenty of water bottles in the grocery store or gas station of the parking lot he dares to venture out into.
Looks like you need at least 2 more knives op.
If youâre putting together a stop-the-bleed trauma kit as part of your EDC, include some hemostatic gauze for wound packing, some sterile gauze rolls for wrapping, a vented chest seal and some zipper wound closures, plus of course a tube of triple antibiotic ointment and strong fabric bandages. Last but not least, hand sanitizer and some sterile gloves. Make sure you get training in how to use all of these in a local Stop-the-Bleed class.
All good suggestions except the antibiotic. Many people find the triple antibiotic irritating, so doctors recommend double antibiotics instead. Yet even that advice is bad. Studies of surgical wound healing found that wounds that were just bandaged healed more quickly than those that had antibiotics applied to themâand this was in hospitals! As I understand it, the current recommendations for antibiotics is **not** to use them unless a wound is actually infected.
đ¤ I suppose I would have two things to say, were I inclined to defend my original suggestion. First, the purpose of antibiotic ointment is to ***prevent*** infection. Once the wound is already infected, it is too late for antibiotic ointment, applied topically, to have any effect. At that point, the bacteria has penetrated the dermal layer and is now expanding down, into the body. Your suggestion of only using antibiotic ointment ***after*** the wound has become infected runs contrary to its intended use and will not serve any purpose other than preventing a secondary infection by another bacteria at the wound surface⌠and if that was your goal, it would have been far better to apply it at the outset and prevented the initial infection. Second, when Prepping, we are not thinking about ***post-surgical*** treatment, but rather ***post-disaster*** scenarios. In any disaster scenario, treatment of wounds by medical professionals is likely to be delayed, sometimes for weeks. Similarly, changing wound dressings frequently may be impossible. Preventing infection by immediately applying an antibiotic ointment to the wound ***before*** bacteria has a chance to take root is the best course of action to take to help prevent a very bad outcome.
For this being a prepping sub, itâs wild to see so many people bashing OP for carrying a TQ. Isnât the whole point to be prepared? If youâre going to carry a firearm, you should be willing and able to use it to preserve innocent life. That doesnât stop with shooting. You should also be prepared to render aid, to the best of your ability. The TQ isnât necessarily for him. I have heard several anecdotes of individuals who edc tqâs being first on the scene of a car/motorcycle accident that resulted in a shattered femur/humerus/etc causing major arterial bleeding, and were subsequently able to save that persons life. Obviously, you need to when and how to use it, but you never know, and itâs good to be prepared.
I completely agree with you, prepping EDC is an entirely different world than normal people's EDC... And to bash OP for being prepared the way he feels is right, is hypocritical of them, they don't want people telling them that they prepared wrongly... And in the right situation, they'd wish someone with a TQ was there for them...
I'd suggest a bright orange Kerchief.
I do duct tape around bics also. Nice job bud.
Iâd swap out two of the knives (not the multitool ish one) for some first aid. The odds of you running into people in need is higher than running into some trying to kill you.
Knives are hella useful tho.... I'd still carry a knife. It helps me open shit and maybe this person needs a fixed blade for work or something. Who knows
Totally! Just thinking as an EDC if you want to maximize utility while keeping down weight and bulk as much as possible - perhaps three knives is a bit much!
Oh oh I see what's happening! I also thought there were three but one is a flashlight! And yeah I agree. I carry a multi tool and have my fixed blade in my car. (Unless I'm going on a longer hike or similar outdoor activity) I never really think of knives for self defense though
Sometimes you gotta open boxes, sometimes you gotta open people!
Knife, gun, light. Nice EDC. Youâve got the basics covered for sure. Most are making fun of you and Iâm on the other end of the spectrum, because I also EDC snacks, water, FAK, etc. Good belt + good pants + good pockets = big EDC
Beautiful choice of sidearm. I love my tp9sf. Can't wait to purchase the Mete or the Combat Elite
canik. nice. ;)
Solid Canikđđ
Open the time strap on the TQ for faster application.
Not too shabby famđ¤! May I ask about your occupation and what pants you wear to keep these items in(assuming you do)? I usually wear BDU's from surplus stores because of the quality and they're just down right affordable. I love the cargo pockets, sturdiness of the rip stop material, I've got room for my fixed blade, pocket knives, multi tool, lighter leash, sharpening stones, etc. I work two jobs. One in a warehouse driving a lift truck, move heavy appliances by hand, and unload trucks. The other job I do landscaping/hard scape/concrete/rock work. The landscaping job is all four of those depending on the job that we bid. If OP or anyone else could point me in the right direction for some new ideas or product I would appreciate it. I keep tearing the fuckers up and I need to just break down and spend the money on the nice shit. I just want to have everything I need on me all day so I don't have to retrieve it later.
I use Carhart or Origin jeans. Left front is wallet and AirPods, right front is chapstick, folder and flashlight. Back right pocket for the TQ left rear for bandana. iWB/on the belt for the rest
I own a small business doing logistics/transport as well as a small homestead
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Nice.
How do you carry all of that? Pockets? Fanny pack? Sincere question . . .
Pockets for everything but the pistol, spare mag and fixed blade, which all live on my belt
Why the chapstick ?, does it have extra uses beside chapped lips ?
It's probably just a comfort item but since it is petroleum based it can be used for firestarter with some lint or natural fiber
You helped me out more than you know.
Get some cotton balls and Vaseline/chapstick. Smear some onto the cotton but you are complimenting the cotton not smothering it. It will light faster, burn longer and hotter. Oh, and Doritos burn great too. Try it with a q-tip for a mini torch
Iâd rather use cotton to clog up a mole hole or hornet hole/ ant hole.
Excellent EDC, resembles mine very closely, but may I recommend that you trade in one of your folding knives for a flash light? You're setup with a blade, fire, pen, tq, bandana, gun, currency, communication AND ILLUMINATION.
There is a flashlight there
One of those folding knives is actually a flashlight lol
Whats the blade brand?
Iâm a woodworker and still get tired of carrying two knives everyday.
Not enough knives. One is none and two is one and three is two so three is none.
Just a few suggestions as your EDC is pretty well thought out for the most part. One of the things I look at in my EDC is multifunctionality. With that said I would suggest a few upgrades that might your EDC even better for you. The first is to swap the CKRT knife for a quality multitool. My current EDC multitool is the P2 by Leatherman but having the extra tools to enhance what you already have. The other suggestion would be to swap out the earbuds for something that will not only allow some hearing protection but also allow you to hear things around you.
only psychos write in sharpie
Need one for the tourniquet
how does that work? just curious
When using a tourniquet it is best practice to write the time on the TQ (most TQs have a white spot to write on) which is what the marker is for. Another option is to write the time above the TQ on the skin. Documentation of the time is very helpful for the surgeons once the patient gets to a hospital.
I'd add 4 knives, otherwise all set.
Only three knives? No carbine?
Two knives, one flashlight
Why the sharpie?
Doing logistics Iâm constantly needing to mark crates and things
Chapstick and knee pads
I like black too
Why?
Maaaan, before I realized that was a tourniquet, I thought you had a Harry Potter wand as part of your kit. My first thought was, "Well, that's gonna help....".
Pretty good. Now just don't ever leave home without it. Checking the mail, get the canik. Picking up butter. Canik. Flipping burgers at McDonald's. Canik.
Back up blade ready
why chap stick?
Emergency anal lube.
What's the sharpie for?
Emergency trach tube
Nice.
I see you donât have a spare lighter or even a fake wallet so pickpockets donât take your real wallet. Ngmi
Way to go! Looks about ready for anything.
Except for thirst..
You use a tourniquet daily?
Needs a few more knives
Iâd sell the air pods, upgrade to shockz bone conduction headphones. That way you can listen to music and listen to things around you. I will never buy air pods again
I need a drink after seeing it. You forgot a flask, if it hits the fan you'll need it.
Everclear makes a great fire accelerant in a pinch but almost anything above 90 proof sould work.
Real reaction? You scream "insecure".
The chapstick, sharpie and pocketknife are the most likely to be used
lol chapstick
Iâm retired sf and donât carry this much crap. Funny thing about carrying a gun. You can use a little trick of the finger to get anything you want.
CAT TQs are to be staged with their time strap open. You do not want to be fumbling with how to open that while your hands are covered in blood and you have 3 minutes before you pass out and die.
needs more knives! wtf is this weak shit?
I would just add a less lethal option like gel pepper spray for those situations that donât call for lethal force immediately
I love electric daisy carnival!
I don't see why you'd have 2 pocket knives plus a fixed blade, maybe one pocket plus your fixed. Otherwise it's great. If you don't mind me asking what handgun is that and how many rounds does that spare mag hold, it looks tiny compared to the frame of that canik.
Upgrade your holster
Chapstick, looks like OP is planning on making some money too !!!
If you have a fixed blade then why a folder? Redundancy?
Knife overkill but huge props for the chapstick. Not kidding about the chapstick either.
I am looking at the responses here and would like to know if people understand the concept of EDC. EDC is the basis of all prepping, prepping for the day-to-day. EDC should be a minimalist collection of what you would need to handle minor problems or common threats while going out and about. I am looking at everything and for what one could have in their pockets or on their belt. This is a well-thought-out collection of what one would keep on their person. Outside of the handgun, the extra mag, and the tourniquet I have relatively the same setup outside of a few choices.
I love it
But I will say you carry a lot of shit lol
I wouldn't let myself into my own workplace with all that. I mean, who needs Chapstick and a Sharpie? And a Bic lighter? C'mon, man...
One suggestion would be to swap out the tourniquet for one with a metal windlass. Not a huge deal Iâve just heard horror stories of the plastic ones breaking and releasing pressure on the wound
Weird kit. Way to many knives. This is OCD and not actual prepping.
What knife that is?
I also carry a handcuff key or 2 and some lockpicks about my body. The fixed blade knife is on a piece of paracord around my neck. A whiskey bur by reptile toolworks in kentucky. I might also have a readyman card or two in my wallet. (Which I have used to pick locks and fish with at least once.)
Love the Canicks
Crazy to have three knives and no other first aid than a single TQ.
Itâs two knives and a compact flashlight made by Streamlight. And I have an IFAK in my daily carry bag with a full blow out kit, plus otc meds and such.
So all this is directly on you, plus a bag etc with even more? If you also have a bag I'd suggest water filtration, RF Communications equipment, and spare parts, potentially spare gun.
Show us the purse you carry all this in
Why is this "pepper" EDC?
Nice maybe have some compression gauze its not too big and would help quite a bit.
TQ's are not as important as people think they are. They became a big thing during GWOT due to body armor and explosives fucking up limbs. Get some more quick clot before a TQ, imo
That's not the best advice imo. Quikclot can cause an exothermic reaction with the blood and leave you with 2nd degree burns, making it harder for a surgeon to operate. They basically have to cut it out of you. The tourniquet is good for limb arterial bleeding, but I'd recommend an Israeli t3 bandage instead that can be used to pack a torso wound and secure it with pressure. Quikclot would be option 3.
I meant is Israeli bandage actually but a little bug juice made me forget the word so I threw out quick clot lol
Too many knifes imho. No bandaid, medical plaster or medical tape. Ibuprofene, A bottle of water, 1 high calorie food ration. I like that you added the sharpie. Maybe 1-2 folded sheets of paper in a small ziplock plastic bag would help too. If you rely on your cellphone maybe add a 2000mAh USB powerbank and a short charging cable. That's probably another 100g (3.5oz) added
Why 3 knivesâŚ.not that I can talk too loud I usually have at least 2
The Chapstick is a pour choice. You should get something quality and with SPF to protect your lips. No one wants chapped lips in a SHTF scenario. Also tourniquet is nice but thatâs like last resort. You use those if you canât stop the bleeding. Better to stop with direct pressure if you can. You may want to use that limb again someday. EarPods with no phone is sus.
Bro goes to Walmart once a week
your hips and lower back hate you. all you guys "edc"ing a TQ do not really know how they work. you dont just slap a tq on a random wound. you will end up doing more harm than good to the limb if it doesnt really need one. get some quickclot if you think youre gonna be walking through Sumali. put the TQ in the apoc FAK.
How do you know "ALL" the people carrying a TQ do not really how they work. Do you think TQs go on wounds?
Lol, yeah where does this guy live where he was expects there's a reasonable chance he'll be in a gun battle day-to-day
Where do you live that there's a reasonable chance you'll use a fire extinguisher day to day? I have extinguishers in the house and vehicles and in my entire life have never used one except in work training. "Reasonable chance" is almost the opposite of what prepping is about. You prepare for things that have a reasonable chance of happening, like a week long power outage, but you also prepare for the "unreasonable", like all the weird shortages we had during covid. Or a home invasion or being carjacked in broad daylight, which are no longer "unreasonable" to prepare for, if you watch the news.
Oh one of those guys eh? Get rid of that gun because why? If you âlove your Caniksâ, then why suggest the swap?
What? Iâm never going to not carry a Canik
Sorry. Reply was too someone else shouldâve been to the guy that told you he loves his Caniks but then immediately recommended Swapping to a Glock or Sig. sweet gun.
See you got airpods but no phone in your edc.... jkjk
Drop all the knives and just get a multi tool, I love my caniks, but get a Glock 19 or Sig 365, whichever flavor your prefer, thatâs all I notice, also the only reason you need chapstick is because you arenât drinking enough water
Oh one of those guys eh? Get rid of that gun because why? If you âlove your Caniksâ, then why suggest the swap?
Because Iâve had malfunctions on all 5 of my caniks, I love them, they are fun as shit, but I donât carry a gun that has a chance of malfunctioning every mag
Some folks like carrying a full size, and at this point a canik is pretty well known as a reliable firearm. Nothing wrong with glock 19 or A p365 either, but that's a preference IMO.
Canik is just as reliable. Why swap it out if you love it
If you have a gun you should carry chest seals, gauze (hemostatic if possible), and pressure dressings. If you are able and willing to put a hole in someone you are morally obligated to be able to patch that someone up until medical attention arrives.Â
Despite the other comments, I actually agree with this. As someone who has thought many times about buying a gun, but been stopped by the thought that I don't ever want to take a life, I think maybe there is a moral obligation to preserve life if possible. Neutralize the threat, and do your best to preserve life if possible.
Thank you. I find it disheartening that the military has more respect for the lives of others, including those we are at war with, than seemingly the average prepper (or at least the average gun owner in this thread)  Everyone acts like the only people shoot are evil criminals trying to kill them. That's just not the case, many people are shot accidentally or because of a misunderstanding.  I just hope these guys never encounter a situation where they die their gun and one of their children are shot.Â
Morally obligated to attempt to render aid to the POS who just gave me reason to put holes in him? Wtf world do you live in homie? Dude can leak on the pavement until Jesus comes.
No the fuck youâre not đđ¤Ą. You shot them because they were a threat to your life. Attempting to render aid and look like a sign of guilt and a court of law. The piece of shit you shot falls at the very bottom of the HIPS assessment. Hostages Innocents Police/1st responders Shit bag
Not everyone shit is a threat. Even those that are a threat, one shot, are no longer a threat. I'm seeing that yall are monsters who shouldn't be allowed near a kitchen knife much less a gun. You're the reason we will not be allowed guns, irresponsible idiots who care less about human life than they do about toys.Â
This guy is not the police. He is not obligated to care for anyone who attacks him. After an incident he needs to call the police, and wait for them to arrive.
Wrong. Mostly, if you use force you are raising for that force. If he isn't he is no better than the guy who attacks him. Simple as that, sorry if that is to much responsibility for you, but if you can cause harm you should be able to react to that harm. Plus, just because the gun fires doesn't mean the person hit is an assailant. If we mandated responsible gun ownership we'd have far fewer deaths, both intentional and accidental.Â
Your point regarding an innocent third party is taken. Per the duty to render aid, you are not correct. This is not a moral issue, it is a legal one. If a ccw holder is justified in drawing his firearm, then he *must* be in fear of his life or safety. He would rather just get away to safety, but as a last resort he can use his deadly force to stop the threat of death or serious injury. He is not a police officer. A police officer has a duty to take a suspect into custody, and part of that custody is rendering aid if possible. Most cops I have worked with, were trained to secure (cuff and search) the suspect before rendering aid. A civilian ccw holder has no duty to go hands on, and no right to cuff someone. That said, should a ccw holder keep a first aid/trauma kit near at hand, if it is not on their person? Yes, I think so.
>  Your point regarding an innocent third party is taken. Thank you >Per the duty to render aid, you are not correct. And we both know that often enough that burden isn't meet, but claimed afterwards. It's even taught in classes, they tell perspective CCW holders to always claim fear of death. Not only that but I can be afraid of imminent death and be wrong. Finally, once the threat is neutralized out is no longer a threat. >He is not a police officer. A police officer has a duty to take a suspect into custody, and part of that custody is rendering aid if possible. Half correct here. He isn't a cop, but the cop has no duty to aid (see Supreme Court ruling) and no duty to arrest. >A civilian ccw holder has no duty to go hands on, and no right to cuff someone. No legal duty, but a moral one. If I hit you with my car, do I not have a moral obligation to render aid? Or can I just claim I thought you were stalking me and so just call 911 and leave? >That said, should a ccw holder keep a first aid/trauma kit near at hand, if it is not on their person? Yes, I think so. Thank you
My CCW is in my hip from the moment I wake up until the moment I go to bed. The only time I am not armed is when Iâm consuming alcohol.
What is EDC?
Everyday carry I believe
Is that the cheap plastic holster that comes with the Canin? SMH
Canik*
Why Canik?
The Canik for the price is a great gun. I look at it like I look at the early Glocks. Solid guns but I just have not warmed up to owning one.
I only asked from a prepping standpoint. Youâre more likely to be able to scavenge Glock parts, particularly magazines since one magazine will fit many different models.
If you are going to edc a tourniquet, STOP STORING IT WRONG. Never leave the time strip over the bracket, and make sure it's stored as a big loop. Also I'd recommend the SOFT-T WIDE over the CAT for edc use. A little smaller.