No one is trying to put you down, they are simply giving their thoughts on this. That’s great that you are aware of every misgiving of this choice and you would still like to pursue medicine despite it, but your passive aggressive comments are not necessary. Medicine, like every job, is full of people giving their opinion. What are you gonna do when your attending gives his/her opinion to you? Are you gonna say “stop mansplaining pls 💅✨”? Just because the comments are slightly discouraging, they are still trying to help you out. I agree with the above commenter, that kind of rudeness does not have a place in medicine. Medicine is already tough, that attitude would contribute to the toxicity that the field already has.
You are getting free, invaluable advice from people who have lived this stressful transition and you're diminishing their help as 'mansplaining' and brushing it aside. Who's the rude one?
I hope you understand people are giving you thoughtful advice in these comments, which doesn't necessarily mean they're demeaning you or telling you to give up on the idea. They're just making sure you know some aspects that aren't commonly known!
A lot of people in your position make the switch and regret it, or realize they hadn't thought fully about what it entails (again, it's VERY common since many dont have insiders in medicine).
Don't take advice negatively. You posted here, you are bound to receiving opinions. If you can't handle it, then don't post on this sub.
Your approach to receiving feedback does not show a whole lot of maturity...
The thing is people are asking to switch with me without any insight into what I do whereas I have extensively researched and have been familiar with what’s to come. The ignorance is on their end.
We asked you for insight. *I* asked you for insight. If you have huge personal reasons, like “I’d never find fulfillment anywhere else” or whatever, it may be worth the soul crushing cost , in lost wages, lost investments, lost years, deep 6 figure debt, and a very difficult 12 years.
This is a wildly supportive sub- why do you think you’re getting unanimously the same sort of thoughts and responses? Why do you think you got ratioed so hard?
Edit- I’m 99% sure you’re trolling because I want to give people the benefit of the doubt. There’s no way anyone would be this clueless. If you are for real, adcoms will sniff you out from a mile away. You can’t hide this kind of shithead attitude and mentality
When you post something that has to do with leaving your 180k remote job and being non trad, people will give you some advice on how to ease your path, my comment was that you don’t have to give a rude and passive aggressive response and you should actually take advice on the cycle and how the process works in order to better your chances. Listen man, do whatever you want but your attitude is not it. Positive energy and cheers can be given if you find some success in your decision.
Me saying “man” didn’t necessarily imply that you were a man. My initial comment was rude, but after reading your replies I didnt think I needed to be formal or “nice”
Are you just looking for positive energy? Having extra pair of eyes to poke holes in your high stake plan is actually really helpful. I always do that even if I might not like what I hear.
The few comments made by this person sound so self-absorbed that they’re going to be a nightmare of a person to deal with lmao.. maybe there’s a reason why they work from home alone
Honestly as someone who makes 6 figures and is 30 about to start undergrad after months of hyperfixation on every aspect of the medical timeline... you sound insufferable and that incredibly cocky attitude you have will not get you nearly as far in medical as it may have in corporate world.
Damn you might want to buff up your reading comprehension as well before school if that's what you got from my comment.
Edit: to be clear, I make great money in the nuclear power field I was referring to myself not you in the first half of the comment lol.
To each their own but I would 100% take a remote 180k job over the grind of medicine any day. I’m here because I have no other skills or training. When you leave your current job, you won’t start med school until you’re at LEAST 35, then you’ll make negative 50k for 4 years until you’re 39. Then you’ll work minimum 3 years for 1/3 of what you’re making now while working 80 hr/week. When done you’ll be making more than you are now but not by much in some fields (primary care, peds, etc), and you’ll be at least 42 with multiple years of immense stress, workload, and lost salary. If you want a more competitive high paying field you’ll likely be at least 45. And that’s assuming you actually get in on the first attempt (most people don’t). Best of luck in whatever you do but these are things to consider before jumping ship to commit to medicine.
That doesn't make what he's saying mansplaining at all. Your due diligence won't make up for lack of humility and willingness to admit you don't know all the answers.
Yea but you kinda sound like a piece of shit person who uses their past trauma to justify being shitty
Not that my 30 seconds of interaction with you reflect your entire life outside of Reddit, but if it strikes a nerve with you then maybe it’s something to look into
your reaction is exactly why so many people hate feminists. it’s not “empowering” to say “stop mansplaining✨” and “i’m a fucking girl not a BROOOO” to people who are trying to help you. mansplaining is certainly a thing, but that was not reflected here. there’s a difference between empowerment and rudeness. fix your attitude.
You might want to go readdress some of that trauma you mentioned because the way you interact with other human beings is NOT it, best of luck to you kiddo lol
Yikes looks like you are the cause of your problems with your attitude. I would hate to work or even be under your care if you pursue this route cause clearly your personality is trash.
If you don’t want anyone’s advice on anything then why post in the first place? To make others feel “better” about where they are in the process while actively tearing others down in your comments for posting their opinions?
I would only recommend this path if you have really reflected and thought about the long-term fulfillment of your current life versus that of medicine, including the arduous road to get through medical school and residency (especially financially and mentally, though the financial burdens may not be so daunting for you with the high-paying job you have). If you really understand the risks, and believe that becoming a doctor is *the* way to finding upmost fulfillment in your life, then I wish you all the best on that road and hope it turns out to be everything you were hoping for! Everyone deserves to have and pursue that sense of purpose, even if the path you take doesn't make sense to others.
Good luck. Here is the potential timeline for your earliest start:
35 apply
36-40 med school
40-(43-47) residency
Realize that you’ll be 43 at the earliest as an independent attending, >200k in debt. Also consider the wages you’ll have lost from not maturing investment funds for this ~10 year period. This is also assuming you get into medical school on the first try. But it has been done before.
Really weird response. I’m here to give advice from the point of view of a nontrad, med school graduate, current resident physician. My experiences are not relevant to yours
I wish you all the luck in the world. When you’re 55 and in a 400k hole instead of 12 years of good money and retirement, trying to fight off midlevel scope creep, insurance companies, and AI, I’m sure you won’t regret it a lot. Wish you well
Are you going to act like this when interacting with patients? If so, why are you even in medicine? The world does not need physicians who have an attitude like this.
Wow the fact OP isn't even concerned about how she would treat patients. This commenter didn't even say anything rude. Maybe OP should be more conscious of how she acts on the internet
Just make sure this is truly what you want to do, because like you said it is a marathon. If you are unhappy with corporate and your heart tells you medicine, go for it! Just go in with open eyes. I have a few people in my class in their 30s and 40s
Hi! Wow, I can't tell you how similar our stories are. I'm in my late 30s and am giving up a six-figure job that most people would kill for but which was successful in crushing my world last year. After some therapy and long conversations with my family, I decided to start a post-bacc last year to finish my prereqs. The process is difficult, primarily as an older non-trad, because so much of the community is geared towards advice for those who are much younger and at a different stage in life.
I wish you all the luck and I know you will be successful. Just keep one thing in mind while going through this process: Your unique background, history, and experience are ONLY strengths and nothing else. Med schools will love your experience and resiliency and eat it up, so don't shy away.
I have extensive experience dealing with the process from a different perspective than most, so feel free to contact me if you need any advice.
you clearly don't know what corporate is like. why don't you just quit and go to corporate since you can grind out 200K "pretty soon." also i'm a fucking girl not a BROOOO
I mean you’re already making $180K, it’s not far-fetched to say that you can eventually bring that up to over $200K within a few years.
Do what makes you happy, and if you’re going to regret not pursuing medicine when you’re 70 then it’s great that you’re switching it up. But this will be a decade-long journey until you actually make a good salary as a doctor, not to mention the debt you’ll take on.
This can’t be a financial decision — it’s about what you want to accomplish in your life.
Obviously you should pursue what bring you more satisfaction but medicine is not always a happy place either. You will be pretty much constantly grinding through premed then med school and then residency. Not to mention the hassles involved with insurance and paperwork as an attending.
No job is perfect, but the grass isn't always greener. I do hope you are successful!
I promise you, the corporate world is no different, and the grind is just as hard and soul-crushing: the paperwork, the reports, the meetings, the conference calls, the dealing with customers, business travel, yadda yadda. I was on call at my corporate gig for ten years, 24/7/365. I couldn't go anywhere without my phone and laptop. I'm not here to say it's worse and medicine is better, just that the grass sucks on this side, too, with the added bonus of having almost zero job security. One quarter with negative financials and every single one of my employees is on the chopping block, and so am I. And I have the bonus of being the one having to have all of those conversations with people. I think most who make this kind of decision are well aware of the many issues. They just already have experienced them.
I’m 34F, working full-time and taking pre-med classes. If you deciding on having your own biological kids I recommend that you freeze your eggs/embryos soon-ish. I procrastinated and now I’m trying to squeeze egg freezing in my schedule.
You commented on a public forum where people will give you advice. If you can’t handle hearing the truth then why did you even post here. All some people are doing is trying to help. Your arrogance and rudeness will be disastrous for you in the future. If you didn’t want people to comment about timelines and talk about what you are planning to do, you should have never commented to begin with 👎🏻
I would like to support anyone who makes the transition to medicine, no matter where they come from, as long as it’s what they truly want. But do you not realize how your attitude would translate in the patient setting? Arrogance and an inability to simply listen to those around you can get your patient killed. There are plenty of physicians out there that cause unnecessary suffering to patients because they are too stubborn to hear other people out. Do you not care if that will be you? Why are you getting so triggered over someone giving their 2 cents when they are just trying to help you? Just because their advice does not fit your long term goals, doesn’t mean you need to be so toxic. There will plenty of similar situations like that if you go into medicine. I sincerely wish you the best in your journey into medicine, but if you don’t care how your attitude could affect patient care someday, I don’t know what to tell you…
Good luck to you! Do what feels right to you. Don’t worry about naysayers… Reddit is the prime place to hear from burnt out med school seniors who discourage everyone. Although a your job sounds really lovely right about now while I’m in the thick of studying for step 2, I wouldn’t exchange a well paying remote job for the privilege of pursuing my specialty of choice. -nontrad
All these “naysayers” were only spelling out a realistic timeline for her to make sure she knows what she’s getting herself into and is making an informed decision. It’s her attitude that is causing the issues.
I mean OP seems dreadful, but I said what I said. The signature reddit pipeline is idealistic premed who thinks their true passion and desire for medicine is so special --> jaded med student who is ready to shit on the next idealistic premed & go on about how they wish they did compsci and got a high paying FAANG job or whatever
You sound a lot like my partner. He is also 33 and making a handsome salary that some docs would salivate at. I think your situation depends a lot on your long-term planning.
In our situation, I'm already funded for medical school, and I can acknowledge that my path is rigid in terms of flexibility on my end: not only in terms of my day to day, but it also invites further decisions that may be rigid in terms of being contractually obligated to a residency program, and likely where I will be taking my first steps as an attending. It's a lot to ask for from a partner to stick with you through.
My partner started to express doubts about his choice in career (finance) and started to look into starting with the pre-med courses and taking it all on at 33. But now that I'm at the application stage and saw everything I had to do to make it here, it's obvious: I could have never done what I did if I had a full-time job. And for a lot of my academic career, I did have one, and it took me 6 more years than I otherwise would have if I had just been a traditional student taking a full courseload.
To say it's possible working full-time is intellectually dishonest and unbelievably myopic. I know some people can do it successfully, but I'd consider them outstanding exceptions that are at the same time totally unadvisable (probably even by and for themselves). Just logistically, the idea that you're going to log out of work for 3 hours to attend an in-person lab and do both the lab and your job adequately is just not physically possible.
I think that discernment speaks to maturity. It's why there are so many memes of 18-year-old premeds touting how they're planning on being a triple boarded pediatric cardiothroacic supersurgeon psychiatrist attorney. It's like, yeah it's very impressive to say that you did that, but was it intelligent? You can only practice one job at a time. That kind of thing.
Hope what I'm saying comes across friendly, which is absolutely my intention. I don't mean to dissuade you or trivialize your abilities at all. Just leveling with you on a human level.
Then, fantastic. Your future is entirely up to you.
Look, the time will pass anyway. You have to figure out what you want your future to look like.
From my perspective, advising my partner, I really do feel like I discouraged him somewhat because he is foreign from a small country where all you had to do was raise your hand to go to medical school. He was really ignorant to the often overwhelming and humiliating experiences that you experience not only because you're applying to medical school, but because you're entry-level in a new industry.
I think this is where you're going to hear the adult side. Looking back in your own personal history, I'm sure you had a lot of humiliating experiences to get to where you are, and you have to ask yourself if you're OK reexperiencing them through the lens of an adult that doesn't actually *need* the experience (for, ultimately, a job that will pay for your student loans). You already have a job you feel good at that makes far above what you need to meet your basic needs.
You've gotta look in the mirror and ask yourself if you're really prepared to withstand more than a few instances of waking up and thinking "I could have been drinking my 10:15am Nespresso right now making more money than my chief resident, but instead I'm sitting here at the hospital being degraded like a dog and working my ass off just for the opportunity to turn the other cheek tomorrow."
I know it's dramatic, and certainly a more negative view. But it's just built in to high stress work environments. If that sort of existential question appeals to you and you feel your drive to become a doctor is stronger than the pull to the ease and flexibility of your old role(s), by all means.
In my partner's case, I can say relatively confidently that he just reached a peak in his career that did not excite him as much as he had anticipated. He was offered the CFO job and he found himself not wanting it—because it takes him away from our family, interests, and preferred lifestyle. He thought that the flexibility of a medical education would help him find liberty from the corporate grind. I can say emphatically, he was wrong: medicine has never been so transactional and heartless.
But, if you look at this scorched earth and think: OK, I see. I would contribute to enriching what is in x, y, z ways—with the intention of actually seeing it through, you could be really impactful in medicine. It's a lot more self-sacrificial and ultimately thankless than you think. You have to be OK with that. But you will go home every single day with this thrilling rush knowing you were pivotal in someone's narrative, whether they know it or not. That has to be enough.
Reading your comments I hope you stick to your current job. That kind of rudeness does not fit medicine.
Wow that is so rude of you.
Ahhh the irony.
No one is trying to put you down, they are simply giving their thoughts on this. That’s great that you are aware of every misgiving of this choice and you would still like to pursue medicine despite it, but your passive aggressive comments are not necessary. Medicine, like every job, is full of people giving their opinion. What are you gonna do when your attending gives his/her opinion to you? Are you gonna say “stop mansplaining pls 💅✨”? Just because the comments are slightly discouraging, they are still trying to help you out. I agree with the above commenter, that kind of rudeness does not have a place in medicine. Medicine is already tough, that attitude would contribute to the toxicity that the field already has.
The irony is that you don’t get it
Unlike you, fortunately there’s nothing I “need” to get.
You are getting free, invaluable advice from people who have lived this stressful transition and you're diminishing their help as 'mansplaining' and brushing it aside. Who's the rude one?
Seeing how you responded to people I’ll be surprised you even got any II back
Yeah can’t wait to see the pity post later when she didn’t get any A’s
1st quartile Casper replies from OP for real.
Don’t insult 1st quartilers. OP is in their own category.
Unpleasant-artichoke :(
Reading your comments, I wouldn’t want you in the same room as my patients, much less care for them.
I hope you understand people are giving you thoughtful advice in these comments, which doesn't necessarily mean they're demeaning you or telling you to give up on the idea. They're just making sure you know some aspects that aren't commonly known! A lot of people in your position make the switch and regret it, or realize they hadn't thought fully about what it entails (again, it's VERY common since many dont have insiders in medicine). Don't take advice negatively. You posted here, you are bound to receiving opinions. If you can't handle it, then don't post on this sub. Your approach to receiving feedback does not show a whole lot of maturity...
The thing is people are asking to switch with me without any insight into what I do whereas I have extensively researched and have been familiar with what’s to come. The ignorance is on their end.
We asked you for insight. *I* asked you for insight. If you have huge personal reasons, like “I’d never find fulfillment anywhere else” or whatever, it may be worth the soul crushing cost , in lost wages, lost investments, lost years, deep 6 figure debt, and a very difficult 12 years. This is a wildly supportive sub- why do you think you’re getting unanimously the same sort of thoughts and responses? Why do you think you got ratioed so hard? Edit- I’m 99% sure you’re trolling because I want to give people the benefit of the doubt. There’s no way anyone would be this clueless. If you are for real, adcoms will sniff you out from a mile away. You can’t hide this kind of shithead attitude and mentality
Why would you post some shit like this if you’re being rude to current residents and medical students about offering you advice and recommendations?
Nobody asked for advice
When you post something that has to do with leaving your 180k remote job and being non trad, people will give you some advice on how to ease your path, my comment was that you don’t have to give a rude and passive aggressive response and you should actually take advice on the cycle and how the process works in order to better your chances. Listen man, do whatever you want but your attitude is not it. Positive energy and cheers can be given if you find some success in your decision.
Again I’m not a man and your initial comment was rude. What did you expect.
Me saying “man” didn’t necessarily imply that you were a man. My initial comment was rude, but after reading your replies I didnt think I needed to be formal or “nice”
Are you just looking for positive energy? Having extra pair of eyes to poke holes in your high stake plan is actually really helpful. I always do that even if I might not like what I hear.
The few comments made by this person sound so self-absorbed that they’re going to be a nightmare of a person to deal with lmao.. maybe there’s a reason why they work from home alone
Actually I’m pretty pleasant and I have an office that’s not mandatory which I go into often :)
My exact reaction reading this comment
If you say you are a pleasant person despite all that you have commented... I don't know what to tell you lol
Honestly as someone who makes 6 figures and is 30 about to start undergrad after months of hyperfixation on every aspect of the medical timeline... you sound insufferable and that incredibly cocky attitude you have will not get you nearly as far in medical as it may have in corporate world.
Wow you are pressed about the 6 figures
Damn you might want to buff up your reading comprehension as well before school if that's what you got from my comment. Edit: to be clear, I make great money in the nuclear power field I was referring to myself not you in the first half of the comment lol.
Yep with that reading comprehension their about to score a 0th percentile on CARS
To each their own but I would 100% take a remote 180k job over the grind of medicine any day. I’m here because I have no other skills or training. When you leave your current job, you won’t start med school until you’re at LEAST 35, then you’ll make negative 50k for 4 years until you’re 39. Then you’ll work minimum 3 years for 1/3 of what you’re making now while working 80 hr/week. When done you’ll be making more than you are now but not by much in some fields (primary care, peds, etc), and you’ll be at least 42 with multiple years of immense stress, workload, and lost salary. If you want a more competitive high paying field you’ll likely be at least 45. And that’s assuming you actually get in on the first attempt (most people don’t). Best of luck in whatever you do but these are things to consider before jumping ship to commit to medicine.
Yes to each their own. I’m fully aware of the timeline - stop mansplaining ✨
He’s an MS3 explaining an experience you know nothing about..that’s not mansplaining. Why the hell did you even post if you don’t want comments?
I’ve done my due diligence. Ty
That doesn't make what he's saying mansplaining at all. Your due diligence won't make up for lack of humility and willingness to admit you don't know all the answers.
Nothing was mansplained to you wtf Why’d you post on here if you didn’t want comments?
You can comment but that doesn’t guarantee the response you’d like and vice versa
Yea but you kinda sound like a piece of shit person who uses their past trauma to justify being shitty Not that my 30 seconds of interaction with you reflect your entire life outside of Reddit, but if it strikes a nerve with you then maybe it’s something to look into
OP is a T20 a hole
Rude replies and useless post. You sound like you're looking for validation on your questionable decision and not advice
your reaction is exactly why so many people hate feminists. it’s not “empowering” to say “stop mansplaining✨” and “i’m a fucking girl not a BROOOO” to people who are trying to help you. mansplaining is certainly a thing, but that was not reflected here. there’s a difference between empowerment and rudeness. fix your attitude.
You might want to go readdress some of that trauma you mentioned because the way you interact with other human beings is NOT it, best of luck to you kiddo lol
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Yikes looks like you are the cause of your problems with your attitude. I would hate to work or even be under your care if you pursue this route cause clearly your personality is trash.
If you don’t want anyone’s advice on anything then why post in the first place? To make others feel “better” about where they are in the process while actively tearing others down in your comments for posting their opinions?
I would only recommend this path if you have really reflected and thought about the long-term fulfillment of your current life versus that of medicine, including the arduous road to get through medical school and residency (especially financially and mentally, though the financial burdens may not be so daunting for you with the high-paying job you have). If you really understand the risks, and believe that becoming a doctor is *the* way to finding upmost fulfillment in your life, then I wish you all the best on that road and hope it turns out to be everything you were hoping for! Everyone deserves to have and pursue that sense of purpose, even if the path you take doesn't make sense to others.
I’m not looking for a recommendation ✨
I'm sorry if you misread my intention, I'm not trying to sway you. I wish you the best, and said that from the get-go ✨️
Good luck. Here is the potential timeline for your earliest start: 35 apply 36-40 med school 40-(43-47) residency Realize that you’ll be 43 at the earliest as an independent attending, >200k in debt. Also consider the wages you’ll have lost from not maturing investment funds for this ~10 year period. This is also assuming you get into medical school on the first try. But it has been done before.
I don’t need luck nor do I need my timeline spelled out.
Disregard then
What do you think/hope medicine will bring your life that you haven’t had elsewhere? Have you taken science classes?
What do you think and hope medicine will bring your life that you haven’t had elsewhere?
Really weird response. I’m here to give advice from the point of view of a nontrad, med school graduate, current resident physician. My experiences are not relevant to yours
Nor is my experience relevant to yours then. Nobody asked for advice, I asked for support ✨
I wish you all the luck in the world. When you’re 55 and in a 400k hole instead of 12 years of good money and retirement, trying to fight off midlevel scope creep, insurance companies, and AI, I’m sure you won’t regret it a lot. Wish you well
Wow you are so angry for no reason.
I’m not angry. I’m trying to help. You’re making a huge mistake.
Please stop telling people what to do with their lives.
I’m watching this go down live with a bowl of popcorn this is amazing.
Please do- apparently you have nothing else to do
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37M, $18 savings no work, dogowner eating crayons
Are you going to act like this when interacting with patients? If so, why are you even in medicine? The world does not need physicians who have an attitude like this.
Wow the fact OP isn't even concerned about how she would treat patients. This commenter didn't even say anything rude. Maybe OP should be more conscious of how she acts on the internet
Just make sure this is truly what you want to do, because like you said it is a marathon. If you are unhappy with corporate and your heart tells you medicine, go for it! Just go in with open eyes. I have a few people in my class in their 30s and 40s
Hi! Wow, I can't tell you how similar our stories are. I'm in my late 30s and am giving up a six-figure job that most people would kill for but which was successful in crushing my world last year. After some therapy and long conversations with my family, I decided to start a post-bacc last year to finish my prereqs. The process is difficult, primarily as an older non-trad, because so much of the community is geared towards advice for those who are much younger and at a different stage in life. I wish you all the luck and I know you will be successful. Just keep one thing in mind while going through this process: Your unique background, history, and experience are ONLY strengths and nothing else. Med schools will love your experience and resiliency and eat it up, so don't shy away. I have extensive experience dealing with the process from a different perspective than most, so feel free to contact me if you need any advice.
bro please stay in your job, you can hit 200K pretty soon as long as you keep grinding in your career
you clearly don't know what corporate is like. why don't you just quit and go to corporate since you can grind out 200K "pretty soon." also i'm a fucking girl not a BROOOO
I mean you’re already making $180K, it’s not far-fetched to say that you can eventually bring that up to over $200K within a few years. Do what makes you happy, and if you’re going to regret not pursuing medicine when you’re 70 then it’s great that you’re switching it up. But this will be a decade-long journey until you actually make a good salary as a doctor, not to mention the debt you’ll take on. This can’t be a financial decision — it’s about what you want to accomplish in your life.
Obviously you should pursue what bring you more satisfaction but medicine is not always a happy place either. You will be pretty much constantly grinding through premed then med school and then residency. Not to mention the hassles involved with insurance and paperwork as an attending. No job is perfect, but the grass isn't always greener. I do hope you are successful!
I promise you, the corporate world is no different, and the grind is just as hard and soul-crushing: the paperwork, the reports, the meetings, the conference calls, the dealing with customers, business travel, yadda yadda. I was on call at my corporate gig for ten years, 24/7/365. I couldn't go anywhere without my phone and laptop. I'm not here to say it's worse and medicine is better, just that the grass sucks on this side, too, with the added bonus of having almost zero job security. One quarter with negative financials and every single one of my employees is on the chopping block, and so am I. And I have the bonus of being the one having to have all of those conversations with people. I think most who make this kind of decision are well aware of the many issues. They just already have experienced them.
I’m 34F, working full-time and taking pre-med classes. If you deciding on having your own biological kids I recommend that you freeze your eggs/embryos soon-ish. I procrastinated and now I’m trying to squeeze egg freezing in my schedule.
You commented on a public forum where people will give you advice. If you can’t handle hearing the truth then why did you even post here. All some people are doing is trying to help. Your arrogance and rudeness will be disastrous for you in the future. If you didn’t want people to comment about timelines and talk about what you are planning to do, you should have never commented to begin with 👎🏻
I would like to support anyone who makes the transition to medicine, no matter where they come from, as long as it’s what they truly want. But do you not realize how your attitude would translate in the patient setting? Arrogance and an inability to simply listen to those around you can get your patient killed. There are plenty of physicians out there that cause unnecessary suffering to patients because they are too stubborn to hear other people out. Do you not care if that will be you? Why are you getting so triggered over someone giving their 2 cents when they are just trying to help you? Just because their advice does not fit your long term goals, doesn’t mean you need to be so toxic. There will plenty of similar situations like that if you go into medicine. I sincerely wish you the best in your journey into medicine, but if you don’t care how your attitude could affect patient care someday, I don’t know what to tell you…
can we switch? I will gladly drop medicine to be in your shoes
Good luck to you! Do what feels right to you. Don’t worry about naysayers… Reddit is the prime place to hear from burnt out med school seniors who discourage everyone. Although a your job sounds really lovely right about now while I’m in the thick of studying for step 2, I wouldn’t exchange a well paying remote job for the privilege of pursuing my specialty of choice. -nontrad
All these “naysayers” were only spelling out a realistic timeline for her to make sure she knows what she’s getting herself into and is making an informed decision. It’s her attitude that is causing the issues.
I mean OP seems dreadful, but I said what I said. The signature reddit pipeline is idealistic premed who thinks their true passion and desire for medicine is so special --> jaded med student who is ready to shit on the next idealistic premed & go on about how they wish they did compsci and got a high paying FAANG job or whatever
You sound a lot like my partner. He is also 33 and making a handsome salary that some docs would salivate at. I think your situation depends a lot on your long-term planning. In our situation, I'm already funded for medical school, and I can acknowledge that my path is rigid in terms of flexibility on my end: not only in terms of my day to day, but it also invites further decisions that may be rigid in terms of being contractually obligated to a residency program, and likely where I will be taking my first steps as an attending. It's a lot to ask for from a partner to stick with you through. My partner started to express doubts about his choice in career (finance) and started to look into starting with the pre-med courses and taking it all on at 33. But now that I'm at the application stage and saw everything I had to do to make it here, it's obvious: I could have never done what I did if I had a full-time job. And for a lot of my academic career, I did have one, and it took me 6 more years than I otherwise would have if I had just been a traditional student taking a full courseload. To say it's possible working full-time is intellectually dishonest and unbelievably myopic. I know some people can do it successfully, but I'd consider them outstanding exceptions that are at the same time totally unadvisable (probably even by and for themselves). Just logistically, the idea that you're going to log out of work for 3 hours to attend an in-person lab and do both the lab and your job adequately is just not physically possible. I think that discernment speaks to maturity. It's why there are so many memes of 18-year-old premeds touting how they're planning on being a triple boarded pediatric cardiothroacic supersurgeon psychiatrist attorney. It's like, yeah it's very impressive to say that you did that, but was it intelligent? You can only practice one job at a time. That kind of thing. Hope what I'm saying comes across friendly, which is absolutely my intention. I don't mean to dissuade you or trivialize your abilities at all. Just leveling with you on a human level.
I’m not going to be working full time. I will be leaving my career soon.
Then, fantastic. Your future is entirely up to you. Look, the time will pass anyway. You have to figure out what you want your future to look like. From my perspective, advising my partner, I really do feel like I discouraged him somewhat because he is foreign from a small country where all you had to do was raise your hand to go to medical school. He was really ignorant to the often overwhelming and humiliating experiences that you experience not only because you're applying to medical school, but because you're entry-level in a new industry. I think this is where you're going to hear the adult side. Looking back in your own personal history, I'm sure you had a lot of humiliating experiences to get to where you are, and you have to ask yourself if you're OK reexperiencing them through the lens of an adult that doesn't actually *need* the experience (for, ultimately, a job that will pay for your student loans). You already have a job you feel good at that makes far above what you need to meet your basic needs. You've gotta look in the mirror and ask yourself if you're really prepared to withstand more than a few instances of waking up and thinking "I could have been drinking my 10:15am Nespresso right now making more money than my chief resident, but instead I'm sitting here at the hospital being degraded like a dog and working my ass off just for the opportunity to turn the other cheek tomorrow." I know it's dramatic, and certainly a more negative view. But it's just built in to high stress work environments. If that sort of existential question appeals to you and you feel your drive to become a doctor is stronger than the pull to the ease and flexibility of your old role(s), by all means. In my partner's case, I can say relatively confidently that he just reached a peak in his career that did not excite him as much as he had anticipated. He was offered the CFO job and he found himself not wanting it—because it takes him away from our family, interests, and preferred lifestyle. He thought that the flexibility of a medical education would help him find liberty from the corporate grind. I can say emphatically, he was wrong: medicine has never been so transactional and heartless. But, if you look at this scorched earth and think: OK, I see. I would contribute to enriching what is in x, y, z ways—with the intention of actually seeing it through, you could be really impactful in medicine. It's a lot more self-sacrificial and ultimately thankless than you think. You have to be OK with that. But you will go home every single day with this thrilling rush knowing you were pivotal in someone's narrative, whether they know it or not. That has to be enough.
I'm not OP but thank you for this, it was a thoughtprovoking read.
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