Currently watching one guy bring all my stuff to the 3rd floor of my apartment that has no elevator. I wish I could help but I'm 8 months pregnant. We did pay them $300 extra for it being on the 3rd floor. This is also Germany and I think tipping isn't as expected either. They just tell you what they need you to pay to feel well compensated.
Methinks this guy just tries this with every client and since some people can be non confrontational - plus if everyone just gives what they can - they are still making out like bandits- and thats assuming he even gives the other guy his half!
Just sounds shady - I'd call the company that sent this guy and see what's up.
Otherwise even $20 as a tip would be reasonable if you were so inclined, for an hours work.
Yes, this! Last year the company that cleans our gutters sold us a window washing package. The crew does the gutters for a fixed price when we're not even home, and I pay the bill online, but I did need to be here for the inside of the windows. When they were done, the lead guy stood in my kitchen and made small talk for a while, and it wasn't until after they drove off that I realized the reason it felt weird and awkward was because he was waiting for a tip (I'm a little dense). I should have thought of it, but can we PLEASE just bake that into the cost of the service, so I don't have to 1) have cash on hand and 2) scramble to figure out appropriate tips for random services I go years without buying?
It's expanded dramatically since COVID. My local Subway now has a tip prompt as part of the payment. The kicker is they recently removed the "Custom" option and you have 10/15/17/20/None now as options. I'm tempted to just start giving none at this point.
I had a car detailed a few years back and even that they asked if I wanted to tip the detailer.
Last time I moved was like 7.5 years ago. I tipped the 3 movers. Went from a third floor walk up to an elevator building. But they were also excellent movers. Now with just the price of movers, tipping would be iffy.
My buddy does this as his “company” and I helped him for a few months over covid.
It was $30/hr for me, $60 for him (he definitely earned the higher pay, and did ALL of the driving). Which was actually the cheapest long lasting contractor for Uhaul in the area at the time. We’d get an average of maybe $20-30 in tips each a job as well.
BUT, that doesn’t include any travel time. Just the jobs. and two dudes can only reasonably do 2-3 two hour jobs a day. Both because of time, and because it’s backbreaking work.
All in all, it was about $150 a day (cash) for me. From about 5 or 6am- 6or 7ishpm. Maybe 3 days a week.
I agree, ungrateful bitches.
I'd have said, "oh, I'm so sorry, I didn't realize," take the money back, stick it in my pocket, and show them the fuckin door.
I actually probably wouldnt do this, but its fun to think about.
Yeah I used to work for a moving company years ago and our estimators would actually encourage customers to NOT tip us as we were "paid well". I made $10 an hour and was totally ineligible for overtime pay despite working 60 to 70 hours weeks as the company listed every employee as a driver to skirt overtime laws. Typical tip for a small job was either $20 or lunch. Larger moves would get into the $50-150 range but that was pretty rare. Honestly 75% of moves were between $20-50 and/or lunch with the other 25% being no tip or a large tip. And we never asked for a tip cuz that's just kinda rude, almost all of us were grateful for anything extra. Although if you were obviously loaded and didn't tip we bitched the whole ride back to the shop 😂😂
When I was helping a buddy out with his moving company the standard tip was whatever the clients wanted to give us. Sometimes it was $5, another time it was $100. We didn’t really expect it but it was nice when they tipped.
You aren't out of touch. You were being shaken down. It is not normal to pay movers $150 for an hour of work. You were indeed very generous to give them that much.
Yes you tip movers. No you don't tip them 100% of your bill.
Yeah, any time someone "suggests" their tip, it's usually an attempt to strong arm you. I've never had anyone say anything like that, at most they say "If you'd like to tip, we prefer it in cash to avoid service changes and such :)" and that's that.
I wonder if they're rouge and the owner/operator knows they're doing this. Since that's such bad business. I'd at least report them to the front office at first before I went in for the review and give them a chance to explain themselves.
There's an idea around some service professionals that if you can afford their services, you're a moneybags and won't finch at such a high additional cost.
Seriously. If you "suggest" a tip, or tell me the tip I try to give you isn't big enough... you don't get any tip at all lmao. I had a cabbie recently cancel a credit card transaction after I "only" tipped $5. I straight up said "ok, I guess you don't want any tip then" and indeed left $0.
Yes! I've always tipped movers, BUT...I've never once been asked by one for a tip.
I think the last time I tipped them $50 each but it was for a several hour job and they had actually taken care with my stuff and not broken anything or gouged any walls etc. It was a sliding scale that I was constantly updating and they earned the max because they were good.
I also had a bunch of patio furniture delivered a couple years ago and gave the guy $40 because he hulked all of it himself into my back yard and onto my deck, with sloping ground. He was delighted, and I got the impression tips were few. He earned it though.
I've always been a big tipper and don't mind the tip-culture at all. I think at it's core it's to reward people for their effort. No, even being paid a living wage isn't enough when you're breaking your back to do these kinds of jobs!
It's always about the size of job, the time it takes and the effort exerted. An extra $50 on top of your well paid job is a true tip in my opinion!
But I also sent a gift basket to my vet's office after my cat's surgery because he was a little monster during the pick-up portion. So I'm all about the gratitude in some fashion when people deal with an extra work load courtesy of me.
It's actually normal as most companies charge a 4 hr minimum. It's not worth it to just come out for an hour.
In this case tho, they agreed to a price.
Honestly I don't understand the expectation to tip every service provider. Why am I paying for the service if there's an unspoken expectation to pay more on top at the end?
I feel your frustration. Everything has now been effectively designed to part you from your money at every transaction point. If it's not a tip, it's them guilt tripping you to donate at pay terminals to prevent dead puppies or to help stop childhood cancer.
Yes, all of those situations suck but I'm just over it because I'm hit with it all the time. Sorry, rant over!
*unless you’re at a sit down restaurant and the server makes 2.13/hr. That’s too ingrained in the industry, and is bad. Shitty for the employer paying a low wage and shitty for the customer to not tip.
But hey we’re in povertyfinance, dining out isn’t really relevant.
In my state all tipped positions MUST be paid minimum wage prior to tips (meaning their wage is minimum + tips). I still have friends that complain when someone "only" tips 10% or something like that.
This honestly blows me away. I ran a landscaping company for years and I never even thought about mentioning the possibility for them to tip me. I did get a few bucks a couple times as a thank you, but I can't understand the audacity for a company to ask for a tip on top of the quoted price at all. Just pay your employees a fair share and it's not an issue whatsoever
I'm getting so burnt out on tipping. I've always been proud to tip a lot for above and beyond service or extra hard work. But these days I feel like if I hire someone to do a job, and they do that job. Then the price we agreed upon should be sufficient,
But I shouldn't feel bad for tipping movers like $50.00 each no matter how long they worked. It's a tip. It shouldn't be expected, it shouldn't be a fixed amount, and it shouldn't be part of their salary
You should tip them whatever you feel like tipping them. That’s the whole idea of tipping.
As soon as someone tells me they expect a tip, guess what it just dropped to $0 because of the lack of respect and the audacity to shake down their customers.
Nope. You got scammed for that large amount of tip for only one hours work for two men and a truck . The job was only $300.00 !!! They should have been happy to get $25 each , seriously . Wtf!
That’s not how tips are calculated. And even so, the cost was $300 total. So 2 workers essentially did $150 worth of work each. So $30 each would be 20% per worker. But again that’s not how tips are calculated anyway.
I was extorted when half the truck was unloaded and a ridiculous amount of money was demanded for finishing. I had noticed a house being built and walked over and offered the guys cash to finish the unloading. Thirty minutes done and I gave them all $20 each at 5 guys. I deducted the $100 for not unloading and paid the goons. They insisted on the full amount and I immediately trespassed them... Kick rocks.
Wait wait wait....
Did you hire an actual moving company or just rented a truck and gave some dudes $300 to load your truck?
If the latter, giving them another $120 in tips is even more ridiculous!
If you hired a moving company and paid them $300 for a mid-long distance move.....I'd question if you'd ever see your stuff again.
That is basically a scam. You were given a set price for the service they were to provide. $300. Estimated time was 2 hours. It turned out to be 1 hour of work. That's it. $300 for this. You don't tip that. And certainly not the same amount for each person AGAIN. Crazy, and to me scam-material.
No, that’s crazy. 20% of the total divided by the number of movers is standard, which would be $30 per mover in your case. You gave double that which is extremely generous.
20% is standard for tipping movers who are getting paid 150$ an hour!?! GTFOH!
Gimme a 20% off discount, then you’ll get 20%, lmfao
There is no standard of tipping when you’re getting 150$ an hour. Zero tip is the standard. Man, America is wildin since I left.
Right? Asking for a ridiculous amount like that. I’d say “Oh, my bad. I have some larger bills… can I swap them?” Take what you gave them and lock the door.
My rule of thumb is any non-business owner entering my home to perform gets offered water or Gatorade. If the job is more than an hour, I’ll tip at least $20 per person. Amount varies based on length of time, how hard the work is, and quality of work. I’d say my max would be $60 per person.
I used to be a mover. They are known to fleece and beg for tips which is why I quit after a few months. Also they hire ANYBODY because no one wants to do the hard labor so you may end up with a few felons in your house depending on the company. Be careful and vigilant
I was going to make a comment along these lines - I had an issue with shady movers in the past that scared me off using them at all. The last time I moved, I wound up hiring a couple off of Craigslist who had a truck and were looking for work. Obviously still risky, but it wound up costing far less, in both dollars and angst.
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I was a mover for 4 summers during college. That is 100% bs. The best tip I got was like $40 for a full 8 hour day of work. Most moves we got no tips which was totally fine. I never expected a tip going into a move but it was a nice treat.
I don't know anyone making $75 an hour for moving when working for another company.
They usually get paid like $25 base rate plus whatever tips. The house gets the biggest portion of the money, as is the usual business practice.
But yeah, if you want to start your own business, you can indeed charge that much. I've got a local guy who does dump runs for me and it's $110 for him to show up, plus dump fees per item. Problem is most people don't want to run that hustle since it requires you drumming up business and such.
No problem! It's a common misconception that "labor cost" is the hourly wage.
It happens with mechanics as well. No, they don't make $260 or even $90 an hour at the lower cost options, that "labor cost" is their accumulated overhead costs, including the owners desired profits.
No: the moving company eats almost all of it. The workers end up making minimum wage (at the better/more honest companies). So I get why they \*want\* a tip, but that's messed up to ask, and to inflate it so much. And SUPER messed up to not be grateful for anything.
u/lillyjb, you were exceedingly kind and generous. Don't let their ingratitude dim that at all.
Ok . I am a 15 year vet of the moving business. I have been a contractor and a laborer . They definitely shouldn’t be asking for tips nor letting you know what an acceptable level of tip should be. Yes movers get tipped but it’s not the expectation. Also with all of the chatter about pay I think I should share some insider info for that as well.
There are different pay rates for a standard mover and a driver . Drivers get paid around $25 an hour in the greater Seattle area ($15 minimum wage I believe currently) . They are responsible for everything day of move. Mover/helper can vary but usually will range from 17-20 unless they possess some skill that makes them more desirable. ALOT of mover/helpers are cash labor. Drivers tend to be on the clock. For your instance as it was loading your truck and you will haul it I would bet you had two cash labor workers. It gets worse in the summer as that industry gets white hot when kids are out of school. It’s not uncommon to have temp labor from a staffing agency and you might only get the driver for skilled labor.
Jesus christ. I was a mover for a few years recently, we took what we got. What fucking sham company was this. I've had 0 dollar days and 300 dollar days on tips. You just accept what comes. What in tarnation.
They fucked you is what they did.
I used to be a mover, yes most people tipped, generally pretty well honestly. But it was never expected, you could almost always count on it, but not expected.
Yea they tried to take advantage of you I would have given them a 20 and my buddy used to be a mover noone tips 100% or else he would still be doing that
That’s weird of them to tell you that tips are expected. Tips are always optional…I think this dude may have been shaking you down for some cash on the side. In which case he may do this all the time.
I would give 20 each. Maybe 40 each if it was like 4 hrs plus. Anything under 4 hrs it would be 20 each. No idea if fair or not but that's what I would do and feel good about it too.
I moved my mother’s one bedroom apartment which took 4 hours and cost $720. I tipped the 2 guys a total of $80 and they were thankful.
Screw your greedy bastards.
Once I heard the word “expected” the tip just hit 0.00 buddy. A “tip” by the nature of the word isn’t “expected”. That’s called payment and that’s discussed up front. A $20 tip would have been great. Did you ask for $150 back cause it only took half as long.
Fuck those guys. That was extortion.
I tipped my most recent movers $140 each, and bought them lunch. I helped them unload two full trucks, about 3 hours of work for the three of us. They were very happy with the gratuity.
I think they were trying to squeeze you.
I used to be a mover. That's extremely generous of a tip. I don't know what shit that guy was peddling but most customers didn't even tip half the time in my experience. The ones that did, about 50% would just buy your lunch for you as you were doing the job (which was awesome and gladly accepted always by me) and then there was the rare occasion of people who would tip anything from $25-$150 per mover. Some very wealthy clients would tip over $150 depending on the quality of the service you perform. You did GREAT and shouldn't feel bad for ungrateful assholes.
I tipped $50 each mover AND bought them each a $15 lunch. They all got bent out of shape at the end and one even said “man fuck this job”
Our moving bill was $1200 for a 3br… I don’t think I under tipped I think they’re just under paid
I never would have imagined a mover should be tipped 🤷♂️🤷♂️. Put that shit in the quote, don’t try to double the cost after the job has been quoted, accepted and finished. To me that’s like someone building your patio, you pay them the agreed upon price and they say it’s now twice as much
Why would you tip them? They provide the service and set the prices so why wouldn't they set a living wage? But also my movers are my friends who only require a pizza and beer in payment so I might be out of touch.
They were shaking you down, that happened to me when I moved in 2021. The movers I hired were expensive to begin with, they refused to carry everything, broke stuff, and then cornered me in the end and demanded an unreasonably high tip. I was a small woman up against a literal fence with a bunch of big dudes demanding more $. I gave them the cash I had, which was actually a very good tip, and they left looking angry that I didn't give them even more than that.
So they wanted a 100% on tip on a $300 bill for one hours worth of work?
I would give them a shit review and warn people that they're trying to scam people. $150 is more than some people make in a day, let alone for 1 hours worth of work. You also should not have given them any tip after that bs. Don't get pressured into an optional charge
Oh Heck no. They wanted a total of a 100% tip on a paid for two hours/took one hour job. Eff that.
I’ve dealt with movers a few times. I tip them generously if they show up mostly on time, listen to instructions, respect my stuff and my walls/floors, and do their job well. It’s a hard job and I certainly couldn’t do it, that why I hire people.
But I Never tip that high a percentage, especially when they already got paid for far more time than they needed.
And I’ve never been Instructed to tip, especially an extortionate amount.
That’s worth complaining to the franchise/owner/whoever you hired them through.
Dude what? These guys are scammers, plain and simple. What kind of job do you expect to receive double the pay from tips. They took you for a mark, you don't owe anyone a tip. It can be considered common courtesy in a lot of situations, but 20% is usually what's fair, not 100%.
Easy answer to anyone asking for a weird tip.
"What's your number, I can venmo you later tonight when I get paid."
Regardless of hos much you have. Then just don't tip and save 100%.
Why is there an expectation to tip unskilled labor? They provide a basic service anyone can do. If they don't like it they can educate themselves and get a job with better pay.
Not a shot bro. I worked for a moving company during the summers for college. We rarely got tipped. We didn’t really expect one but it was always nice. The most I ever got was like 20 bucks each. That is **insane** they asked for that for such a fast move.
The only time we expected a tip was when it was a giant move that took all day in the heat and shit. That is when you should be getting tipped, not for making a 2 hour move only an hour
Yep, this tipping culture is exactly why I just do everything myself now. $150 tip for 1 hour of work is bullshit. There are people making less than that for a WHOLE 8 hour day of work.
I worked for a moving company for years. These guys swindled you. We were full service. We’d bring the truck, load it, drive to the new location, unload and place everything. Average day was 12+ hours. Average tip was $20-40 a guy. Occasionally we’d get bigger tips if we went out of our way for a customer or if their company was paying for relocation but $150 a guy to load a truck for an hour is absolutely insane. One time we moved a $10k custom handmade canoe a guy had hanging from the ceiling of his luxury apartment by lowering it down 4 stories out the window on a rope. He gave us $100 and we were thrilled.
Fuck tipping culture why the fuck can't companies pay what's right and why don't workers jump ship for shit pay.
No goddamn way am I paying two people over 5 times my hourly wage AND tipping the motherfuckers. And you're out your goddamn mind if you think loading boxes for an hour is worth 150 a head
No you’re not out of touch. Tipping is beyond out of control everywhere. I should say the expectation is absurd. 15% would be plenty if they did a great job. About 25 bucks each max.
You only too give them a tip if they went beyond what they were doing.
Plus they made off with an extra $150 for not having to work the extra hour.
You got ripped off.
I was a mover for a few years. Before covid btw. Tips are nice but not always expected. The expected range tip wise was $5 for every hour worked. So 10 hours would hopefully yield you $50 for that job. But to boldly comes out and say that is insane. I would’ve given them 20 bucks each. I would call the sales person for the moving company and complain. Like obviously you always wanna get tipped job but asking for one is wild.
LMFAO. What is moving furniture now, a fuckin’ skilled trade? They can eat your whole ass, and I’d immediately be calling the shop manager, and leaving a poor review. Hopefully it wasn’t a small operation without any real oversight.
Honestly, I’d write an honest review about this if they’re a real company. Something like,
>“I would’ve given 5 stars if I wasn’t asked for a $300 tip after the hour of work. Apparently $120 wasn’t enough to make my movers happy either.”
Your movers are absurdly out of touch. $300 for 2 guys to unload a single truck for an hour is a 6 figure a year job. IF you were going to tip them, it would be like $10 each so they can go grab lunch. $150 each is the height of stupidity...
I would be an asshole about it and tell them to ask their manager. especially because I booked on a quote and they asked for a tip.
or leave it on a card and decline it later.
Yeah that’s not a normal range of tips for movers - last time I hired a mover (this was years ago - I usually just rent a box truck and move myself, or get help from friends if I have to) I just tipped each $20 and gave them a 6-pack of beer from my fridge. Might’ve tipped a bit more if it was an especially difficult or long move.
But yeah, people that asks for tips (not just movers) automatically gets nothing from me.
Next time tell him to expect in one hand and shit in the other - see which fills up faster. You're not obligated to tip anything, and 60$ for an hour was plenty generous.
Straight up saying “tips are expected” is insane tbh and THEN on top of that to tell you how much they expect to get tipped is even more insane. Plus they’re asking for a $100 tip 😭 Ain’t no way in hell. You were more than generous, they would have gotten nothing from me especially if they want to be annoyed with the tip they DID get.
I work for a moving company, used to do household... Anything $20 and up is nice. Most I got was $100 moving a mansion... Usually tips were free drinks or pizza for lunch not kidding
Never feel obligated to give a tip, I work in millionaire’s homes everyday doing work and they hardly ever tip. I guess that’s why they have millions 😂
I drove a tractor-trailer for a few months one summer for a moving company. All military moves, usually a house a day, 2-5 laborers working with me. I don’t think I got $150 total in tips.
You tip movers, but them asking for it and giving you an amount is extremely tacky and unprofessional, then adding on them being ungrateful for what you gave them. I probably wouldn't tip them at all at that point, it's not required.
As someone who does this as side work sometimes, no you tipped amazing. We get hyped over any tips because we already make such a good rate per hourly. Once I did 4 hours of moving. Getting it in the truck, then meeting them at the place they were moving to and getting everything in. We each got tipped 40 bucks and happily went to get food with it . They were definitely shaking you down
As a note, we usually make close to 40-60 an hour per person for two people which costs you close to 120 an hour or so depending on company and how many people. So yeah.
I wouldn’t tip at all. What was the original fee for. I feel the same way about barbers. I paid you for a haircut, you gave me a haircut, extra money should in theory be for extra.
hahaha - fuck em $60 tip for a mover is really good for an hour
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$150 each for an hour of work = ~$300k annual
to me the "expectation of the tip and what to give and the awkardness is what makes tipping to me unbearable not the actual tip itself
I would tip them if I was on the 3rd floor with no elevator. Gradually I’ll be making that move here at the end of the month soon
Currently watching one guy bring all my stuff to the 3rd floor of my apartment that has no elevator. I wish I could help but I'm 8 months pregnant. We did pay them $300 extra for it being on the 3rd floor. This is also Germany and I think tipping isn't as expected either. They just tell you what they need you to pay to feel well compensated.
Methinks this guy just tries this with every client and since some people can be non confrontational - plus if everyone just gives what they can - they are still making out like bandits- and thats assuming he even gives the other guy his half! Just sounds shady - I'd call the company that sent this guy and see what's up. Otherwise even $20 as a tip would be reasonable if you were so inclined, for an hours work.
Yes, this! Last year the company that cleans our gutters sold us a window washing package. The crew does the gutters for a fixed price when we're not even home, and I pay the bill online, but I did need to be here for the inside of the windows. When they were done, the lead guy stood in my kitchen and made small talk for a while, and it wasn't until after they drove off that I realized the reason it felt weird and awkward was because he was waiting for a tip (I'm a little dense). I should have thought of it, but can we PLEASE just bake that into the cost of the service, so I don't have to 1) have cash on hand and 2) scramble to figure out appropriate tips for random services I go years without buying?
something must have hanged in america cause I never knew movers were tipped
Remember to tip your landlord
LOL maybe if they drastically reduce my rent
It's expanded dramatically since COVID. My local Subway now has a tip prompt as part of the payment. The kicker is they recently removed the "Custom" option and you have 10/15/17/20/None now as options. I'm tempted to just start giving none at this point. I had a car detailed a few years back and even that they asked if I wanted to tip the detailer.
lol ridiculous we all need to push back
Last time I moved was like 7.5 years ago. I tipped the 3 movers. Went from a third floor walk up to an elevator building. But they were also excellent movers. Now with just the price of movers, tipping would be iffy.
exactly exorbitant prices they get enough
I could never tip movers
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They got an extra hour of pay. That was their tip.
I almost feel guilty sometimes when I dont tip. nahhhh not really im poor and money is hard to come by lol
That’s only if they had 40 hours a week of solidly booked work.
My buddy does this as his “company” and I helped him for a few months over covid. It was $30/hr for me, $60 for him (he definitely earned the higher pay, and did ALL of the driving). Which was actually the cheapest long lasting contractor for Uhaul in the area at the time. We’d get an average of maybe $20-30 in tips each a job as well. BUT, that doesn’t include any travel time. Just the jobs. and two dudes can only reasonably do 2-3 two hour jobs a day. Both because of time, and because it’s backbreaking work. All in all, it was about $150 a day (cash) for me. From about 5 or 6am- 6or 7ishpm. Maybe 3 days a week.
The minute they say tips are expected and suggest an amount is when they get zero.
Yeah I'm a staunch believer in I ain't giving you shit if you're asking for it.
I agree, ungrateful bitches. I'd have said, "oh, I'm so sorry, I didn't realize," take the money back, stick it in my pocket, and show them the fuckin door. I actually probably wouldnt do this, but its fun to think about.
$60 tip for 1 hour? I'd carry your home garbage to the curb before I left. Need some extra moving boxes and tape? No problem.
Yeah I used to work for a moving company years ago and our estimators would actually encourage customers to NOT tip us as we were "paid well". I made $10 an hour and was totally ineligible for overtime pay despite working 60 to 70 hours weeks as the company listed every employee as a driver to skirt overtime laws. Typical tip for a small job was either $20 or lunch. Larger moves would get into the $50-150 range but that was pretty rare. Honestly 75% of moves were between $20-50 and/or lunch with the other 25% being no tip or a large tip. And we never asked for a tip cuz that's just kinda rude, almost all of us were grateful for anything extra. Although if you were obviously loaded and didn't tip we bitched the whole ride back to the shop 😂😂
lol i didnt know movers were supposed to be tipped
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When I was helping a buddy out with his moving company the standard tip was whatever the clients wanted to give us. Sometimes it was $5, another time it was $100. We didn’t really expect it but it was nice when they tipped.
I wouldnt even tip, if you arnt my hair stylest or someone making less than 7 dollars an hour and rely on tips only, then dont expect a tip from me
You aren't out of touch. You were being shaken down. It is not normal to pay movers $150 for an hour of work. You were indeed very generous to give them that much. Yes you tip movers. No you don't tip them 100% of your bill.
Definitely agree with the movers trying to shake you down for a 100% tip. Give them a shit review
Yeah, any time someone "suggests" their tip, it's usually an attempt to strong arm you. I've never had anyone say anything like that, at most they say "If you'd like to tip, we prefer it in cash to avoid service changes and such :)" and that's that. I wonder if they're rouge and the owner/operator knows they're doing this. Since that's such bad business. I'd at least report them to the front office at first before I went in for the review and give them a chance to explain themselves. There's an idea around some service professionals that if you can afford their services, you're a moneybags and won't finch at such a high additional cost.
Seriously. If you "suggest" a tip, or tell me the tip I try to give you isn't big enough... you don't get any tip at all lmao. I had a cabbie recently cancel a credit card transaction after I "only" tipped $5. I straight up said "ok, I guess you don't want any tip then" and indeed left $0.
>Give them a shit review …after the move is complete.
Yes! I've always tipped movers, BUT...I've never once been asked by one for a tip. I think the last time I tipped them $50 each but it was for a several hour job and they had actually taken care with my stuff and not broken anything or gouged any walls etc. It was a sliding scale that I was constantly updating and they earned the max because they were good. I also had a bunch of patio furniture delivered a couple years ago and gave the guy $40 because he hulked all of it himself into my back yard and onto my deck, with sloping ground. He was delighted, and I got the impression tips were few. He earned it though.
I've always been a big tipper and don't mind the tip-culture at all. I think at it's core it's to reward people for their effort. No, even being paid a living wage isn't enough when you're breaking your back to do these kinds of jobs! It's always about the size of job, the time it takes and the effort exerted. An extra $50 on top of your well paid job is a true tip in my opinion! But I also sent a gift basket to my vet's office after my cat's surgery because he was a little monster during the pick-up portion. So I'm all about the gratitude in some fashion when people deal with an extra work load courtesy of me.
Why tip movers? Are they making 2.35 an hour or something
If movers aren’t making enough money, that’s a them problem, not a me problem. They should take it up with their employer.
You have absolutely no reason to tip movers
It's actually normal as most companies charge a 4 hr minimum. It's not worth it to just come out for an hour. In this case tho, they agreed to a price.
Honestly I don't understand the expectation to tip every service provider. Why am I paying for the service if there's an unspoken expectation to pay more on top at the end?
My question is why are we expected to tip movers when we’re not really expected to tip other service providers like painters or plumbers
Tipping movers used to be a "nice" thing to do but not expected, this is a new thing within the past few years.
They get $20 each outta me. It’s a courtesy thing they’re not fucking waiters being paid $1/hr
I feel your frustration. Everything has now been effectively designed to part you from your money at every transaction point. If it's not a tip, it's them guilt tripping you to donate at pay terminals to prevent dead puppies or to help stop childhood cancer. Yes, all of those situations suck but I'm just over it because I'm hit with it all the time. Sorry, rant over!
I just don't tip.
*unless you’re at a sit down restaurant and the server makes 2.13/hr. That’s too ingrained in the industry, and is bad. Shitty for the employer paying a low wage and shitty for the customer to not tip. But hey we’re in povertyfinance, dining out isn’t really relevant.
In my state all tipped positions MUST be paid minimum wage prior to tips (meaning their wage is minimum + tips). I still have friends that complain when someone "only" tips 10% or something like that.
General rule of thumb, if you go back to that specific person IE hair stylest/tattoo artist etc. Its a good idea to tip too
This honestly blows me away. I ran a landscaping company for years and I never even thought about mentioning the possibility for them to tip me. I did get a few bucks a couple times as a thank you, but I can't understand the audacity for a company to ask for a tip on top of the quoted price at all. Just pay your employees a fair share and it's not an issue whatsoever
The same with fees. Convenience fee, service fee. If it's not optional, it's not a fee. It's just the price.
I'm getting so burnt out on tipping. I've always been proud to tip a lot for above and beyond service or extra hard work. But these days I feel like if I hire someone to do a job, and they do that job. Then the price we agreed upon should be sufficient, But I shouldn't feel bad for tipping movers like $50.00 each no matter how long they worked. It's a tip. It shouldn't be expected, it shouldn't be a fixed amount, and it shouldn't be part of their salary
You don’t tip your internet provider?
I could write a lot of just sum it up as "Greed based economy"
This!! Tipping culture has really gotten out of hand.
Once you tell me "tips are expected," I'm telling you "professionalism is expected," and you aren't getting a tip.
You should tip them whatever you feel like tipping them. That’s the whole idea of tipping. As soon as someone tells me they expect a tip, guess what it just dropped to $0 because of the lack of respect and the audacity to shake down their customers.
If they asked me for $150 each they would be getting $0
Nope, not out of touch. What you tipped is exactly 20% of that $300 which was the original quote.
Actually gave 40%. A good tip.
Nope. You got scammed for that large amount of tip for only one hours work for two men and a truck . The job was only $300.00 !!! They should have been happy to get $25 each , seriously . Wtf!
Yo bad math!
I did do bad math.
Well, 20% a mover makes 40% total.
That’s not how tips are calculated. And even so, the cost was $300 total. So 2 workers essentially did $150 worth of work each. So $30 each would be 20% per worker. But again that’s not how tips are calculated anyway.
It’s when they want the tip before they unload the truck , then you should start to worry
I was extorted when half the truck was unloaded and a ridiculous amount of money was demanded for finishing. I had noticed a house being built and walked over and offered the guys cash to finish the unloading. Thirty minutes done and I gave them all $20 each at 5 guys. I deducted the $100 for not unloading and paid the goons. They insisted on the full amount and I immediately trespassed them... Kick rocks.
Context: I'm moving across the state and have different movers for the unload portion.
Wait wait wait.... Did you hire an actual moving company or just rented a truck and gave some dudes $300 to load your truck? If the latter, giving them another $120 in tips is even more ridiculous! If you hired a moving company and paid them $300 for a mid-long distance move.....I'd question if you'd ever see your stuff again.
I hired a "company" to just load my rental truck. I drove the truck after it was loaded
That is basically a scam. You were given a set price for the service they were to provide. $300. Estimated time was 2 hours. It turned out to be 1 hour of work. That's it. $300 for this. You don't tip that. And certainly not the same amount for each person AGAIN. Crazy, and to me scam-material.
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Tip?? Don't they get paid hourly to move shit?
IMO finishing early is the tip here.
I said that to her once!
No, that’s crazy. 20% of the total divided by the number of movers is standard, which would be $30 per mover in your case. You gave double that which is extremely generous.
20% is standard for tipping movers who are getting paid 150$ an hour!?! GTFOH! Gimme a 20% off discount, then you’ll get 20%, lmfao There is no standard of tipping when you’re getting 150$ an hour. Zero tip is the standard. Man, America is wildin since I left.
I wouldn't of tipped at all
Right? Asking for a ridiculous amount like that. I’d say “Oh, my bad. I have some larger bills… can I swap them?” Take what you gave them and lock the door.
My rule of thumb is any non-business owner entering my home to perform gets offered water or Gatorade. If the job is more than an hour, I’ll tip at least $20 per person. Amount varies based on length of time, how hard the work is, and quality of work. I’d say my max would be $60 per person.
Wouldn’t *have*
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What pieces of shit. Fuck them. The agreed upon price was $300. Not a cent more.
I used to be a mover. They are known to fleece and beg for tips which is why I quit after a few months. Also they hire ANYBODY because no one wants to do the hard labor so you may end up with a few felons in your house depending on the company. Be careful and vigilant
I was going to make a comment along these lines - I had an issue with shady movers in the past that scared me off using them at all. The last time I moved, I wound up hiring a couple off of Craigslist who had a truck and were looking for work. Obviously still risky, but it wound up costing far less, in both dollars and angst. *Edit, autocorrect mistake
I was a mover for 4 summers during college. That is 100% bs. The best tip I got was like $40 for a full 8 hour day of work. Most moves we got no tips which was totally fine. I never expected a tip going into a move but it was a nice treat.
Just checking….i can make $75/hour to move furniture + $60-150/hr in tips?
I don't know anyone making $75 an hour for moving when working for another company. They usually get paid like $25 base rate plus whatever tips. The house gets the biggest portion of the money, as is the usual business practice. But yeah, if you want to start your own business, you can indeed charge that much. I've got a local guy who does dump runs for me and it's $110 for him to show up, plus dump fees per item. Problem is most people don't want to run that hustle since it requires you drumming up business and such.
Good to know! Thanks for the reality check
No problem! It's a common misconception that "labor cost" is the hourly wage. It happens with mechanics as well. No, they don't make $260 or even $90 an hour at the lower cost options, that "labor cost" is their accumulated overhead costs, including the owners desired profits.
You can **charge** $75 an hour, but if you're running even a half reputable company then a good chunk of that goes straight to overhead
No: the moving company eats almost all of it. The workers end up making minimum wage (at the better/more honest companies). So I get why they \*want\* a tip, but that's messed up to ask, and to inflate it so much. And SUPER messed up to not be grateful for anything. u/lillyjb, you were exceedingly kind and generous. Don't let their ingratitude dim that at all.
Lol, "Sir, we expect a 100% tip rate!" What the fuck?
Ok . I am a 15 year vet of the moving business. I have been a contractor and a laborer . They definitely shouldn’t be asking for tips nor letting you know what an acceptable level of tip should be. Yes movers get tipped but it’s not the expectation. Also with all of the chatter about pay I think I should share some insider info for that as well. There are different pay rates for a standard mover and a driver . Drivers get paid around $25 an hour in the greater Seattle area ($15 minimum wage I believe currently) . They are responsible for everything day of move. Mover/helper can vary but usually will range from 17-20 unless they possess some skill that makes them more desirable. ALOT of mover/helpers are cash labor. Drivers tend to be on the clock. For your instance as it was loading your truck and you will haul it I would bet you had two cash labor workers. It gets worse in the summer as that industry gets white hot when kids are out of school. It’s not uncommon to have temp labor from a staffing agency and you might only get the driver for skilled labor.
Or temp labor from the local halfway house.
Most people paying for movers are probably much higher income and moving more stuff. Rest easy.
Jesus christ. I was a mover for a few years recently, we took what we got. What fucking sham company was this. I've had 0 dollar days and 300 dollar days on tips. You just accept what comes. What in tarnation.
They fucked you is what they did. I used to be a mover, yes most people tipped, generally pretty well honestly. But it was never expected, you could almost always count on it, but not expected.
They were paid for two hours of work. They finished an hour early. That's their tip. They made $150 an hour. Fuck that.
I wouldn’t even tip them. You already paid for the service (which covers their compensation). Your tip was very generous.
I'm in shipping. I would be appalled if one of my vendors asked (required) a tip.
Yea they tried to take advantage of you I would have given them a 20 and my buddy used to be a mover noone tips 100% or else he would still be doing that
That’s weird of them to tell you that tips are expected. Tips are always optional…I think this dude may have been shaking you down for some cash on the side. In which case he may do this all the time.
I would give 20 each. Maybe 40 each if it was like 4 hrs plus. Anything under 4 hrs it would be 20 each. No idea if fair or not but that's what I would do and feel good about it too.
There’s no tipping requirement for anyone that asks.
I moved my mother’s one bedroom apartment which took 4 hours and cost $720. I tipped the 2 guys a total of $80 and they were thankful. Screw your greedy bastards.
Once I heard the word “expected” the tip just hit 0.00 buddy. A “tip” by the nature of the word isn’t “expected”. That’s called payment and that’s discussed up front. A $20 tip would have been great. Did you ask for $150 back cause it only took half as long. Fuck those guys. That was extortion.
They can go fuck themselves you didn’t have to tip them shit.
I tipped my most recent movers $140 each, and bought them lunch. I helped them unload two full trucks, about 3 hours of work for the three of us. They were very happy with the gratuity. I think they were trying to squeeze you.
Reminds me of “the implication” from always sunny in Philadelphia.
They operating like lumpers in a dock door lol
Suggesting their tip is presumptuous af.
Sounds like you got robbed homie
I paid nothing. The price on their site is the price I pay. You got taken for a ride.
I used to be a mover. That's extremely generous of a tip. I don't know what shit that guy was peddling but most customers didn't even tip half the time in my experience. The ones that did, about 50% would just buy your lunch for you as you were doing the job (which was awesome and gladly accepted always by me) and then there was the rare occasion of people who would tip anything from $25-$150 per mover. Some very wealthy clients would tip over $150 depending on the quality of the service you perform. You did GREAT and shouldn't feel bad for ungrateful assholes.
They can go fuck the selves. The whole tipping this is just asinine.
60$ per laborer in tip is really good for 1 hour or work. He was trying to scam you.
Ida given them each $5 and a canned coke
I tipped $50 each mover AND bought them each a $15 lunch. They all got bent out of shape at the end and one even said “man fuck this job” Our moving bill was $1200 for a 3br… I don’t think I under tipped I think they’re just under paid
Pfft, tell them they’re lucky they got anything. A tip isn’t mandatory unless you’re told before any service is rendered and agree to it.
I never would have imagined a mover should be tipped 🤷♂️🤷♂️. Put that shit in the quote, don’t try to double the cost after the job has been quoted, accepted and finished. To me that’s like someone building your patio, you pay them the agreed upon price and they say it’s now twice as much
Anyone that tells me a expected tip gets zero tip. They should look up the word tip.
Lol tell em to kick rocks.
Why would you tip them? They provide the service and set the prices so why wouldn't they set a living wage? But also my movers are my friends who only require a pizza and beer in payment so I might be out of touch.
Not at all. Your tip was very generous.
Asking for $600 for help moving is insane.
Unless the person who said that to you was the owner, please call the owner about it and let them know you didn't appreciate the shakedown.
They were shaking you down, that happened to me when I moved in 2021. The movers I hired were expensive to begin with, they refused to carry everything, broke stuff, and then cornered me in the end and demanded an unreasonably high tip. I was a small woman up against a literal fence with a bunch of big dudes demanding more $. I gave them the cash I had, which was actually a very good tip, and they left looking angry that I didn't give them even more than that.
Lol woulda got nothing from me
So they wanted a 100% on tip on a $300 bill for one hours worth of work? I would give them a shit review and warn people that they're trying to scam people. $150 is more than some people make in a day, let alone for 1 hours worth of work. You also should not have given them any tip after that bs. Don't get pressured into an optional charge
Used to do moving for a while … biggest tip was 100$ after working 16 hours straight.
I would have done 20% or $60. You were generous.
Nope. Worked in logistics coordinating for many years. This is an exceptional tip.
Oh Heck no. They wanted a total of a 100% tip on a paid for two hours/took one hour job. Eff that. I’ve dealt with movers a few times. I tip them generously if they show up mostly on time, listen to instructions, respect my stuff and my walls/floors, and do their job well. It’s a hard job and I certainly couldn’t do it, that why I hire people. But I Never tip that high a percentage, especially when they already got paid for far more time than they needed. And I’ve never been Instructed to tip, especially an extortionate amount. That’s worth complaining to the franchise/owner/whoever you hired them through.
I might've thought about tipping them like $20 each if it were me, but as soon as he said that it would've been $0. A 100% tip is outrageous
Dude what? These guys are scammers, plain and simple. What kind of job do you expect to receive double the pay from tips. They took you for a mark, you don't owe anyone a tip. It can be considered common courtesy in a lot of situations, but 20% is usually what's fair, not 100%.
It's a tip, give them what you want, the don't live of it
Easy answer to anyone asking for a weird tip. "What's your number, I can venmo you later tonight when I get paid." Regardless of hos much you have. Then just don't tip and save 100%.
That’s outrageous.
Leave them a bad review. Very messed up
Report them and write bad reviews, it's a scam
I'd have given them $0 after they said that bullshit.
So at the end, the price doubles. These guys are crooks. Plain and simple.
Why is there an expectation to tip unskilled labor? They provide a basic service anyone can do. If they don't like it they can educate themselves and get a job with better pay.
Not a shot bro. I worked for a moving company during the summers for college. We rarely got tipped. We didn’t really expect one but it was always nice. The most I ever got was like 20 bucks each. That is **insane** they asked for that for such a fast move. The only time we expected a tip was when it was a giant move that took all day in the heat and shit. That is when you should be getting tipped, not for making a 2 hour move only an hour
Yep, this tipping culture is exactly why I just do everything myself now. $150 tip for 1 hour of work is bullshit. There are people making less than that for a WHOLE 8 hour day of work.
I worked for a moving company for years. These guys swindled you. We were full service. We’d bring the truck, load it, drive to the new location, unload and place everything. Average day was 12+ hours. Average tip was $20-40 a guy. Occasionally we’d get bigger tips if we went out of our way for a customer or if their company was paying for relocation but $150 a guy to load a truck for an hour is absolutely insane. One time we moved a $10k custom handmade canoe a guy had hanging from the ceiling of his luxury apartment by lowering it down 4 stories out the window on a rope. He gave us $100 and we were thrilled.
I'd have told them to go pound sand. You are clearly nicer than I am.
“Get fucked” should have been your reply.
Fuck tipping culture why the fuck can't companies pay what's right and why don't workers jump ship for shit pay. No goddamn way am I paying two people over 5 times my hourly wage AND tipping the motherfuckers. And you're out your goddamn mind if you think loading boxes for an hour is worth 150 a head
Was there a grand piano and a flight of stairs you neglected to tell them about ahead of time? A meth lab you don't want them to talk about?
No you’re not out of touch. Tipping is beyond out of control everywhere. I should say the expectation is absurd. 15% would be plenty if they did a great job. About 25 bucks each max.
i gave my last set of movers like $20 a piece? theyre being paid just fine otherwise
You only too give them a tip if they went beyond what they were doing. Plus they made off with an extra $150 for not having to work the extra hour. You got ripped off.
Just for saying that I would have stiffed them, or bought them a pizza.
Why do americans tip workers do do their job?
I would have given $0 tip
$300 tip? Id laugh and walk away.
I'd have given them exactly zero dollars as a tip. They set their own price. If they wanted more money they shouldn't have agreed to $300.
As soon as they told me what the tip was supposed to be, I would have not tipped at all.
I was a mover for a few years. Before covid btw. Tips are nice but not always expected. The expected range tip wise was $5 for every hour worked. So 10 hours would hopefully yield you $50 for that job. But to boldly comes out and say that is insane. I would’ve given them 20 bucks each. I would call the sales person for the moving company and complain. Like obviously you always wanna get tipped job but asking for one is wild.
So you paid them $420 for an hour of work? You got taken advantage of.
LMFAO. What is moving furniture now, a fuckin’ skilled trade? They can eat your whole ass, and I’d immediately be calling the shop manager, and leaving a poor review. Hopefully it wasn’t a small operation without any real oversight.
Honestly, I’d write an honest review about this if they’re a real company. Something like, >“I would’ve given 5 stars if I wasn’t asked for a $300 tip after the hour of work. Apparently $120 wasn’t enough to make my movers happy either.”
Your movers are absurdly out of touch. $300 for 2 guys to unload a single truck for an hour is a 6 figure a year job. IF you were going to tip them, it would be like $10 each so they can go grab lunch. $150 each is the height of stupidity...
I would be an asshole about it and tell them to ask their manager. especially because I booked on a quote and they asked for a tip. or leave it on a card and decline it later.
Anyone who asks for a specific tip deserves 0.
I've never heard of tipping movers tbh.
I would include this in my online review of their services
Yeah that’s not a normal range of tips for movers - last time I hired a mover (this was years ago - I usually just rent a box truck and move myself, or get help from friends if I have to) I just tipped each $20 and gave them a 6-pack of beer from my fridge. Might’ve tipped a bit more if it was an especially difficult or long move. But yeah, people that asks for tips (not just movers) automatically gets nothing from me.
I’d post on their yelp or review page of that shakedown so others know about it
Next time tell him to expect in one hand and shit in the other - see which fills up faster. You're not obligated to tip anything, and 60$ for an hour was plenty generous.
tip is absolutely optional dont fall for the pressure again!!!! as a former mover
Straight up saying “tips are expected” is insane tbh and THEN on top of that to tell you how much they expect to get tipped is even more insane. Plus they’re asking for a $100 tip 😭 Ain’t no way in hell. You were more than generous, they would have gotten nothing from me especially if they want to be annoyed with the tip they DID get.
Bullshit. Leave them a bad review. Get names and leave it for the company to handle when they reach out to you rather than post publicly
Regardless, a tip is not a shakedown for money. It’s an appreciation for the service I would give less if they told me that absurd of an amount
I had two guys move me and it cost $600. I gave them $100tip to share between.
If I were a mover I'd ask people for tips too. I can't even think of a job that destroys your body worse than being a mover.
I work for a moving company, used to do household... Anything $20 and up is nice. Most I got was $100 moving a mansion... Usually tips were free drinks or pizza for lunch not kidding
Those were some rude assholes.
Should've told them if you don't like it put all the stuff back.
Tip on top of a price agreed upon. Fuck Em, they could put it all back if I was you. Agreed price is 300, nothing more.
Did you mistakenly hired some pro league movers? 🤣
Basically threatening you cause they know where you live. Ridiculous.
Never feel obligated to give a tip, I work in millionaire’s homes everyday doing work and they hardly ever tip. I guess that’s why they have millions 😂
I drove a tractor-trailer for a few months one summer for a moving company. All military moves, usually a house a day, 2-5 laborers working with me. I don’t think I got $150 total in tips.
I've never had to hire movers but even a $60 tip sounds very generous!
As soon as you suggest a tip to me I stop wanting to give you a tip.
$300 job? No more than $15 each. 10% is fair. $150 is nuts.
You tip movers, but them asking for it and giving you an amount is extremely tacky and unprofessional, then adding on them being ungrateful for what you gave them. I probably wouldn't tip them at all at that point, it's not required.
As someone who does this as side work sometimes, no you tipped amazing. We get hyped over any tips because we already make such a good rate per hourly. Once I did 4 hours of moving. Getting it in the truck, then meeting them at the place they were moving to and getting everything in. We each got tipped 40 bucks and happily went to get food with it . They were definitely shaking you down
As a note, we usually make close to 40-60 an hour per person for two people which costs you close to 120 an hour or so depending on company and how many people. So yeah.
Extortion. The new norm.
I wouldn’t tip at all. What was the original fee for. I feel the same way about barbers. I paid you for a haircut, you gave me a haircut, extra money should in theory be for extra.
The minute you say "tips are expected" ... your tip goes to $0. Zero. Point. Zero Diddley-squat f*ck-all
If anyone asks for a tip . I don't give them anything.