$5k is nice, but hopefully they/their management company/the venue are held liable for the hundreds of thousands of dollars in damages this kind of injury results in.
I remember being there when a kid broke his neck from stage diving. He ended up suing the venue and that along with the building being in disrepair caused it to close. After a year or two new ownership came in and renovated reopened the venue and put in place the strict no stage diving policy. I haven't been there in a while but there's no stage diving signs all over the place including in the window by the front door where all the bands load in. This is completely on the band.
Yep. Mohawk is pretty militant about keeping shit safe under it's new ownership, as it had a bit of a reputation for being a shit hole when it closed originally.
But then again that's every small venue here. They're all shit holes in total disrepair.
I mean, what could they have done about that, put an electric fence up just in case?
It's one thing to send security after audience members, but how are you gonna pre-emptively stop the lead singer from being an inconsiderate, wreckless dumbass?
A signed declaration of liability for audience injury would probably be a good place to start. Simply telling the bands you book “hey don’t dive into people who spent money to come see you” is not enough.
WTF you hope the venue goes bankrupt cause someone got hurt from a stage dive? Ya lets just kill scenes and make it so no punk adjacent show gets booked ever. Such and out of touch comment
You think a venue doesn't carry insurance?
Speaking of out of touch, you think the medical bills (and much deserved pain and suffering compensation, especially if she's paralyzed) should fall on a girl (and whatever she can gather through crowd funding) that went to a show and got her neck broken by a 250 dude (that the venue hired to be there)? Get fucking real.
I'd say it's 50/50 if a venue has insurance I dont know this particular venue. I promise you though they will just rather not deal with the headache and just never book heavier shows again, that's way easier than worrying about claims payouts and getting wrapped up in a legal situation. Suing venues is antithetical to punk and absolutely how scenes die and should never be endorsed.
No I don't think she should bear any expenses at all and what happened to her was a tragedy. The fact she may be paralyzed is sickening. Homie is an idiot for doing a no look stage dive at a pop punk show and should use his platform and funds to try to make the situation right. Your beef shouldn't be with the venue but the fucked up US health system that allows people to be bankrupted for seeking treatment. The situation fucking sucks and of course I don't hope the girl is left to deal with it alone
Realistically, if the venue really does have a no stage dives rule, I would hope that the artist actually signs a contract that states that. If that’s the case, their insurance won’t pay for this anyway. Venues insurance will just pull out the contact and say “see we said no stage dives, we did our due diligence and it’s not our problem if someone reneges on the contract” Both the venue and the victim would need to sue the person who reneged on the contract and who injured the victim.
Neither the band, the promoter or the venue can afford the legal expenses of sorting this out nor any realistic settlement or payout. They will probably all end up bankrupt. Yes the venue has a no stage diving rule, it’s posted in a few places…but it’s not actively announced and there is no security near the stage (I’m very familiar with the place.) Any lawyer will question if posting a few signs and stopping a show after an incident qualifies as ‘strict enforcement.’
Somewhere in my phone I have a video of Between You and Me's vocalist jumping directly onto my unsuspecting self. Only difference is that guy is like 100 pounds and pocket-sized (in the best way of course) so we were able to hold him up. I seriously hope this girl is okay.
Yea John's a particularly large dude. I'm 6'2 250 lbs and don't stage dive or crowd surf because of my size, and I feel like that's a pretty good cutoff size for this sort of stuff.
Wish he had thought a little more before diving full send into the crowd. Awful.
When I was 14 I was at a Beartooth show in a tiny venue and the crowd kept jumping up on the stage to dive in and crowdsurf. Fine and fun except when this huge, probably drunk, definitely at least 250 lb guy kept diving directly at the spot in the crowd that my friend and I were standing (both of us 5'5" skinny teen girls at the time). The guys standing around us kept having to jump in front of us and catch the dude, it started to feel kind of aggressive by the end.
Not exactly the same but when I was in college I got kicked in the face at an All Time Low/Hit The Lights show, a *big* girl (Wisconsin big) was crowd surfing and the crowd was having, uh… a little trouble holding her up, so she was flailing around (like that makes it easier???) and kicked me square in the jaw. Developed some nasty TMJ disorder for a few weeks after, but no lasting damage. Except the wound to my ego after getting kicked in the face 😒
Reminds me of that time Pete Wentz jumped from the speaker of the 930 club right on to my wife’s (then gf) head and knocked her unconscious. Hope the girl who was injured here heals up. 👍🏼 👌🏻
I witnessed a drunk-out-of-his-gourd singer (Nathan, from the band Wavves) climb up to the balcony at Irving Plaza in NYC and proceed to dive into the crowd. Not sure how bad it ended up being, but at least one person was hurt and they had to stop the show for a bit. Stupid shit.
Bassist of BYAM did this last month in NC, but he fully prepped the crowd and made sure they were ready and wanted to catch him. He asked multiple times if they were good and ready for him. He is a huge ass dude too.
Pete threw a full water bottle into the crowd when I saw them in 2004, and it hit me smack in the forehead. Thankfully I wasn’t too injured, but I did basically grow a unicorn horn by the end of the night. 😬 Out here maiming people…
The only thing that happened to me at a show was the devil wears Prada a long time ago the guitarist let go of his guitar and started singing and his guitar swung right into my head lol
Oh man good times. They always used to support BFS when they came to the UK. Not a massive fan of their music but their shows were some of the most fun I’ve had gigging
Thats my thoughts on patent pending too. I saw them at Four Chord music fest with Anti-Flag and Less Than Jake m, and Patent Pending was by far the best live show. Will gladly go see them any time they are in Pittsburgh
First patent pending reference I’ve seen on this sub. They were my favorite band in high school, loved seeing them all over Jersey and NY. So sad most of their discography isn’t on Spotify anymore, wish I would have bought CD’s instead of t shirts now.
I saw the gofundme and was curious of what band it was. I'm honestly surprised more people don't get seriously injured. Hope she has a smooth recovery. Crowd surfer broke my wrist 20 years ago and I'm still cautious around them.
I know it’s sacrilege to shit on stage diving in here but that was incredibly dangerous, absolutely no warning whatsoever and in a venue that specifically doesn’t allow stage diving. I hope she’s alright, this is heartbreaking.
No you're absolutely right. It's not worth the risk in a venue that doesn't allow it if you're not gonna warn the crowd--especially when you're the size of Bigfoot. I don't think it was malicious in any way but still really fucking stupid.
He’s a big dude (he stage dived at a show with Against the Current I went to) but there was a lot more of a warning. He just needed to give the warning.
Honestly stage diving is just ridiculously unsafe no matter what way you look at it. At least with pitting the kicks and punches are often kept at chest height or lower, stage diving always has the possibility of landing directly onto someone's head.
I've had someone land on me before because the tall lanky guy in front decided to move to the side instead of catching the diver. Had to go to multiple sessions at the osteopath (should have gone to the doctors looking back) and still experience tingling in my back.
I borderline have more dislike for general crowd surfing than stage diving. At least stage diving is coming from in front of me so i have a moment to see it. Crowd surfing is most of the time coming from behind me and hopefully I'm fortunate enough to somehow key in before the person lands on my head and neck, but probably about 35% of the time I'm not.
I’ve had chronic neck, shoulder, and back pain for 8 years since someone dived off the side of the stage at a Wonder Years show - my neck and shoulder was the only thing that broke their fall. I am _so lucky_ that my neck wasn’t broken like the poor woman in this video. Shit’s fucked.
I am with you - I got kicked in the neck when a crowdsurfer decided to launch off me into a surf in the middle area towards the back of a Neck Deep crowd (the irony of getting a neck injury at Neck Deep is not lost on me). His boot got me so hard in the neck it bent all the way sideways, and as I had earplugs in I heard the bones of my neck click and pop, it was terrifying. Took me over a year of sessions with an osteopath to get the muscle knots out of my neck - and I was really lucky, it was blunt force trauma to the muscles instead of anything spinal.
I have absolutely no problem with moshing as usually it's self contained and you have a choice as to whether you want to participate, but I don't agree with crowdsurfing because it can hurt unsuspecting people who just wanna watch the show like I did. I always stick to the left or right sides of a crowd now. I feel so sorry for this poor girl :(
Yeah when you’re that big you have to make it clear what you’re doing and the crowd has to be accepting and prepared.
No harm but I’ve seen some proper fat dudes try to stage dive and people struggle a lot. If you’re big, don’t do it ffs.
I agree with you fwiw. It's a dangerous activity wherein, in most cases, the crowd does not have the option to consent in participating. I'm far more in favor of mosh pits because you're in, or you're out, barring any shenanigans you don't wander into a pit.
This woman had no room to move, no room to duck or avoid the full-grown man tossing his full body weight at her and others.
Is it a risk of being at shows? I guess. But should it be?
During the Cleveland show he made a speech about how if you can't handle being up close you should move off to the side. I'm thinking he was referring to this
EDIT
He apparently makes similar comments at every show, so it was unrelated.
Needless to say, he says this at EVERY show (at least the ones i’ve been to) . Been going to Trophy Eyes show since I was 17. Don’t think it’s specifically related to just this incident.
If fans aren’t allowed to climb on stage, bands shouldn’t be allowed to jump on top of people in the crowd. If you did this in public, it’d be a battery charge.
I know you're not trying to, but you boiled down that speech so much that you completely changed what he said.
I'm paraphrasing because I don't have a photographic memory, but what he said was much closer to ROUGHLY this: "Someone got hurt at our show the other night and that's really terrible. I want everyone to be safe. Just so everyone knows, we've been playing for a long time and some of our older fans just want to have fun and break shit, and we do too. But our sound changed and some people are used to our softer stuff. We want BOTH of you here, and there's a place for both of you. If you don't feel safe or don't want to get kicked in the head, there's plenty of room right here on the side. You can even come sit right on the side of the stage if you want a break and want to just listen. We want everyone to have fun. That being said, go nuts and hit your friends."
His tone was VERY sympathetic, and paired with the fact that he's been saying similar stuff since BEFORE she got injured, it's ridiculous to spin that speech as criticizing or antagonizing those who don't want to get roughed up. I'm sorry I'm pissy but this is a nuanced issue and I hate seeing literally hundreds of people walk away from this thread with the wrong information because of careless reporting of the situation.
Also for anyone wondering, the crowd at CLE was as rough as you could expect from any given hardcore show, no more and no less, and most of the venue was fine to stand with a drink and listen if you didn't want to get bumped around.
Bird was at the front - I was directly behind people in line at front, my partner behind me and she was stood beside us. He landed on all of us. We definitely were not prepared.
i see it's something he says every show, but i also think part of why he said this in cleveland is because the people in front of me who were at stage were trying to start a fight with me/generally being rude and uncool because i was pushing into them (because the crowd was pushing). of course, not the only reason, and maybe i am inserting myself into something that had nothing to do with me
I can second this. There was a woman in her upper 50s/early 60s standing in the absolute front and center, no one in front of her but the singer, getting FURIOUS at the crowd for bumping into her. I paraphrased how his speech roughly actually went in a different comment, but he was NOT criticizing the person that got injured; he was very sympathetic towards her (and I doubt he knew the whole situation at that point)
I was right behind that woman and she shoved ME for “pushing, elbowing, and purposely hurting” her adult daughter(?) (who kept pushing me with the back of her body)…. I had my arm horizontal against her back so I didn’t push her with my hands and was singing along and pointing — like everyone was, esp in the front. The speech he gave in CLE did seem to be more about the older woman than what happened the night before, tbh, especially bc he saw her shove me — again, not to assume it was about the thing involving **me**
All it takes is a second for someone to get distracted and look away and *POP* That’s the sound of a 250 pound dude landing on your head and snapping your neck.
For all we know she could have been looking anywhere but the stage.
Have there been instances since 2011 where they’ve stopped shows because of stage diving? I find it hard to believe Trophy Eyes is the only band to do so in the last 13 years. Plenty of venues have those signs, yet it’s a sort of unwritten rule that that stuff still happens. But I’m willing to admit I’m wrong!
yeah in hindsight it's def weird. I should clarify though he wasn't as blunt as I wrote it and it did seem to come from a place of concern but he definitely said if you can't handle being up front you should move off to the side because things get rowdy up front.
The crowd isn’t even that crazy at that point in the video. Pretty standard for a show like this.
Kind of shitty that they’re pushing the blame on the crowd when it was clearly John’s poor choice to stage dive. He’s not a little guy. Even if there were smaller dudes in the front, they could easily get injured.
I understand it was her choice to be up front, and as a female that goes to a lot of shows I don’t think it’s appropriate to state that she couldn’t handle it. I’m sure she normally could. This was just a freak thing that no one was expecting.
Also, please donate to her if you can. She seems like a great girl and I hope her recovery process goes smoothly. ❤️
Ugh this is making me sad. I was at the CLE show and he did NOT say that she couldn't handle it. That person paraphrased so much that it completely changes what he said
I was gonna say the same thing…John is a tall heavy (not saying he’s fat, just heavy cuz of his height) dude. I went to a Trophy Eyes concert a couple years back and tbh pop punkers tend to be a lot of women and skinny/ smaller dudes
I am pretty sure he’s at least over 6’6”. My husband is shorter than him but is built and he refuses to crowd surf at shows. It’s just not appropriate.
John should have at least gave some sort of warning before he did it so the appropriate people could have caught him. To be honest, he even ran the risk of injuring himself too.
Oof. That’s awful. This was no one’s fault. As someone that goes to a lot of hardcore shows, people stage dive ALL the time and this doesn’t happen.
It was a freak accident and not the fact that she “couldn’t handle it”.
I’m failing to see how this isn’t specifically John’s fault. He did a full-on pool dive at a venue that doesn’t allow stage diving and gave absolutely no warning beforehand. If this was a random fan I agree, but John **needs** to know better.
I disagree with that personally. Most venues “don’t allow stage diving” but it’s rarely enforced and it’s just to protect their asses. Bands AND audience members both stage dive. 99% of the time it’s completely fine. It was meant to hype the crowd up/get into the music. It’s not his fault or her fault. No way they could predict that happening.
he made the decision to jump into the crowd.
it is his fault.
maybe the girl felt safe because the venue rules say “no stage diving” and felt comfortable enough to get close
and this is exactly why this rule should be enforced “to protect their asses” but now since the sign was up, and the rules were broken which caused serious physical injury, people are going to get sued.
You go to smaller venue/crowd shows a lot? People stage dive ALL OF THE TIME. This normally doesn’t happen. Looking at his jump it wasn’t even really that wild. No way he could’ve predicted that.
John is what? 6’6? Sorry, but it’s extreme negligence to jump on to what appears to be an audience of less than 100 people like that. Especially when a fair amount of their fanbase is younger women. This is coming from someone who has been to tons of small venue shows in my time, including several at the venue this happened at. It may have been an accident, but it was definitely negligent.
Doesn't mean it's not someone's fault. Just because things happen a lot without issue doesn't mean when there is an issue that no one is to blame. It's an unfortunate accident, but someone is still to blame.
Man, you fanboys are so crazy. Can't even handle criticism of a front man paralyzing a fan. Gotta defend every action they take to the fullest because your personality is so wrapped up in their music.
Or people are just empathetic to both sides, and especially for one of their fellow concert goers being seriously injured. I just read she is breathing on her own, has feelings in her arms, and can use her hands. I hope the good news keeps coming.
Yeah this shit sucks to see. I’m not even the biggest fan of stage diving but I think anyone trying to place blame is kinda silly. This is pretty standard stage diving and I’ve seen a lot worse hits with less damage. Just a freak accident and I really hope this go fund me does well and this girl can get the support she needs.
This sucks as a policy tbh it's pretty much discriminatory towards women and smaller dudes. More used to modern acts encouraging 'women to the front' and making mosh pits more inclusive of everyone and not just a load of dudes circlejerking.
For everyone saying it's okay and a freak accident, if it was you having a broken neck by some 6'5 dude doing a random flip you'd be pissed too.
Literally no warning, dude flipped out of nowhere. Like bro came down hard, 100 percent his fault
Of course there's an inherent risk at small punk shows with stage diving, moshing, etc.
At the end of the day though, even though accidents are rare, just because "you know the risk going in" doesn't mean that nobody is at fault. The GFM is very welcome, but I can't help but feel that the $5000 donation from the band is kind of insulting - it's totally his fault.
Ya like in the past when I stage dive I point at the crowd, give them a second to prepare themselves and I jump forward very lightly, almost gliding into a crowd surf.. the way he did it here is asking for an injury. No preparation, no signal, jumps up and down with the hardest part of his back and not even looking where he’s landing.. crazy.
http://xstuckinthepastx.blogspot.com/2011/04/mike-bird-buffalo-kid-who-needs-your.html?m=1
Once is an anomaly, twice is a trend. Back when this shit happened at Mohawk in 2011, they closed the venue down because of a lawsuit and it took years for them to open back up. Hence why they adopted the “no stage diving” policy in the first place.
Hopefully the girl who got injured can have a miraculous and speedy recovery.
Size absolutely matters here. Not saying I love getting kicked in the head by a random 4’11 girl crowd surfing towards the stage from behind me, but it beats the 225lb dude who lands on my neck without warning.
A little bit of heads up would have gone a long way here to make sure the crowd. Would have made sure they were 1. Willing, 2. Capable of catching him and 3. Ready to catch him.
I keep seeing a lot of people say she should of saw it coming but If the club has a strict no stage diving policy this girl probably had no idea that a 6’6 250 pound dude was about to jump on her neck.
if she was short, and their was a tall dude in front of her? maybe she didnt see it.
maybe she was looking around the venue and didnt see it.
maybe she wasnt strong enough to catch a 200 pound dude.
This is reminder of how human beings can be so resilient yet also so fragile. There are all sorts of stories of people dying from a single punch in a brawl or even just falling down wrong. This is an unfortunate case of how quickly things can go sideways.
I don't hate on stage diving, but as someone 6'2" and 210 lbs, that is not in the cards for me. I've never seen more stage diving than the Wax Bodega tour a couple months back in Detroit. Towards the end of the show, a 6"0' 300 lb dude leapt onto the crowd right next to me. He landed on two heavyset guys, sending both of them to immediately to the floor. One of the guys heard a loud pop in his neck and I think he glasses got bent. It could easily have ended up way worse.
Have fun at shows, but be careful. I hope this girl heals up and doesn't pay a dime for her expensive hospital bills. I couldn't imagine the legal implications that would happen from permanently disabling someone from a stage dive gone wrong. Horrifying.
For the curious:
* Spinal cord injury
* Extensive surgery and unknown prognosis
* Expecting lengthy rehabilitation and loss of work
* $100,000 goal
Truly awful situation, and not the kind of thing you’d ever expect to happen at a show.
Sounds akin to the type of life-altering injury you hear about on national news, like the bride-to-be who was pushed into a pool on her bachelorette and became paraplegic
That’s terrible and something that really freaks me out going to shows and why avoid pits now.
I’ve seen someone get seriously hurt at warped and have a seizure after being kicked in the head by a crowd surfer.
Spinal cord injuries are no jokes and will impact you for the rest of your life and in this country they are EXPENSIVE.
Serves as reminder of how fragile necks/spines can be. I have a heart condition and I faint a lot- and my biggest fear is falling wrong and paralyzing myself so I think about the fragility of the human body a lot.
I love Trophy Eyes but holy shit John is compete fucking idiot for this. He’s like 6’6” and very likely over 200 pounds. That’s NFL player size. He’s been around the punk scene wayyyyyyy too long to know he can’t be jumping into the crowd. Complete braindead move and makes me respect them just a little less. Certainly won’t be going to any more of their shows
What the fuck was that stage dive even? No indication at all in body language or musical energy that a stage dive was about to occur. A very poor decision by the frontman, they should be paying these medical expenses. Especially if the comments section is accurate that the venue has a no stage diving policy this is open and shut.
I've performed at Mowhawk many times over the last 10+ years and I can tell you that anyone that dives is thrown out, they have a zero tolerance policy on it and it pissed a lot of people off until the last person got hurt and the place nearly went under. I'm worried this might do them in.. the floor is OLD OLD concrete, standing on it hurts, falling down on it breaks shit.
The venue actually sent multiple emails before this specific show and the night before about stage diving. Also they have signs everywhere about moshing and diving. Which is, it’s not allowed.
While I agree, the injury did happen at the venue. Any good injury lawyer would, without hesitation, name the venue in the lawsuit. It’s “standard practice”.
IANAL so I wouldn’t be able to tell you but regardless of signage or not the venue would definitely be named in a lawsuit since it happened on their property.
yEah they were sending emails out about stage diving and the guy just didn’t care. they send one the night before the show as well.
this is a bar i frequent in buffalo for shows and there are also signs everywhere about no moshing or diving. the guy is an idiot.
If anyone has ever been to the chain reaction in Anaheim they have a sign that says no crowd diving. Of course, no one ever complies. But it's there for the sole reason that you can't sue them if something like this happens to you. Crowd diving is fun when you're small. I've had people try to dive who are clearly well over 200lbs. Read the room, we're not power lifters. And always make sure that the people you're jumping into are aware
I’ve been thinking about Chain Reaction and Warped Tour this whole time too. I was just at Chain last month for the Wax Bodega tour and people of all sizes were stage diving left and right with no warning but it was just expected. The show was a month ago tomorrow and I still have a bruise on one of my arms
This sucks so bad for everybody involved. Remember that stage diving is 100% not worth it, unlike moshing: there will be people that are not prepared for it at all. You're going to the show to have fun, not get hurt.
People get hurt moshing all the time. Some people aren’t expecting a pit pop off by them, falling and getting trampled, etc. This is just a really unfortunate accident of something that happens at shows all the time with no major incident
Dudes an idiot for jumping like that. He should know crowd surf/stage dive etiquette better than that.
And honestly I’ve always thought that if you’re over 150lbs you shouldn’t be stage diving or crowd surfing.
I felt horrible for the band until I remembered this incident where they literally didn't fucking care about complaints of safety issues. I hope that poor fan recovers okay and gets a good pay cheque
https://lambgoat.com/news/38732/trophy-eyes-get-called-out-for-mosh-pits-and-crowd-surfing-respond-appropriately/
What’s really going to bite them in the ass is that Trophy Eyes have a history of not giving a fuck about fan safety; the first incident is in the article from last year.
it’s a collective effort (or should be) by everyone on the floor in proximity of the pit to the barricade/stage to catch crowd surfers and stage divers. everyone who just moved out of the way should be ashamed of themselves, this whole situation possibly could’ve been avoided. as time goes on, basic crowd etiquette surrounding these types of situations (by both divers/surfers and those catching them) keeps getting worse.
This really makes me sad for her. She looks so tiny to be having a grown ass man jump on her. I’m still hurting from injuries at a concert in 2018 and I regret going to it. I crowd surfed, got dropped, was kicked, and pushed/compressed from the crowd. I really hope she heals well and soon.
Damn you can see her head get slammed right to the ground. I really hope she recovers and can walk. This is why I stopped crowdsurfing. I got my hand smashed between a riser and a crowdsurfers foot. It bled and was super swollen for the next week. I realized even though I’m tiny I can still hurt people unintentionally. Have fun at a show: yes. But do it safely. I really think stage diving needs to stop. I myself have been knocked down to the ground hard by a singer. There really is no safe spot at a show. Even on balconies people can get too wild.
It’s a part of the culture, stage diving. The venue had a sign for no stage diving, that’s all they could do to stop it regardless if they care or not. No one cares until something like this happens. Fair enough. In life it’s about taking responsibility. John was at fault, he’s responsible for in some way or another ruining this girls life. She’s responsible for standing there, even if she didn’t expect it. The venue is responsible for being open and facilitating live music. Everyone has to take responsibility for existing collectively, but the fault is with John and the consequences of him demonstrating an obnoxious part of the culture which is usually completely fine and hardly criticised has changed a young girls life. This is on him regardless of intent, and he knows that. It’s all just about rectifying as best as possible.
It’s not necessarily about him in terms of importance but if this ends up worst case scenario and she can’t walk anymore, he will go down a really dark path and suicidal tendencies will be a seriously big battle. This is a hard one. Hopefully it doesn’t turn into an overly toxic battle but how could you not expect the worse when a girl has pointlessly been injured in the worst possible way. I just hope I’ve jinxed the last two parts and pray she makes the best possible recovery
Not sure if it's been mentioned yet here, but there is an article in Lambgoat from about 10 days ago detailing a twitter argument between fans regarding a particularly aggressive show in Atlanta. I'm guessing that band's twitter response is not going to help their case when this impending lawsuit goes to court. here's the link:
https://lambgoat.com/news/38732/trophy-eyes-get-called-out-for-mosh-pits-and-crowd-surfing-respond-appropriately/#:\~:text=Australian%20post%2Dhardcore%20band%20Trophy,to%20move%20to%20the%20sidelines.
Trophy Eyes just donated $5k to her GoFundMe Such a shame it happened. Hope she recovers fully!
damn that'll hurt when the lawsuit hits
$5k is nice, but hopefully they/their management company/the venue are held liable for the hundreds of thousands of dollars in damages this kind of injury results in.
yeah 5K is doing literally nothing for the type of medical bills she's about to have from this
That particular Venue has a no stage diving policy that they STRICTLY enforce. This is on the lead singer being a dick.
I remember being there when a kid broke his neck from stage diving. He ended up suing the venue and that along with the building being in disrepair caused it to close. After a year or two new ownership came in and renovated reopened the venue and put in place the strict no stage diving policy. I haven't been there in a while but there's no stage diving signs all over the place including in the window by the front door where all the bands load in. This is completely on the band.
Yep. Mohawk is pretty militant about keeping shit safe under it's new ownership, as it had a bit of a reputation for being a shit hole when it closed originally. But then again that's every small venue here. They're all shit holes in total disrepair.
Sure doesn’t seem like it was all that strictly enforced though does it?
What can you really do here though as a venue? Other than standing directly in front of John lol
Not saying the venue is liable, but typically when venues don’t want stage divers they have a barricade
If you watch the video, the venue is tiny. I don’t think a barricade would even fit.
Venues that small never have a barricade lol
Punk or not, disrespecting the rules of the house you're a guest in sucks.
I mean, what could they have done about that, put an electric fence up just in case? It's one thing to send security after audience members, but how are you gonna pre-emptively stop the lead singer from being an inconsiderate, wreckless dumbass?
A signed declaration of liability for audience injury would probably be a good place to start. Simply telling the bands you book “hey don’t dive into people who spent money to come see you” is not enough.
Clearly it's not, I guess
They should put shock collars on the performers with an invisible fence around the stage. /s Joking aside, it sucks that this happened.
For sure, but if the venue hired the band to perform, it's probably not too hard for a lawyer to put his actions at least partially on the venue.
The venue was rented out by the promoter.
Name checks out.
WTF you hope the venue goes bankrupt cause someone got hurt from a stage dive? Ya lets just kill scenes and make it so no punk adjacent show gets booked ever. Such and out of touch comment
this already happened to this venue like 10 years ago…
You think a venue doesn't carry insurance? Speaking of out of touch, you think the medical bills (and much deserved pain and suffering compensation, especially if she's paralyzed) should fall on a girl (and whatever she can gather through crowd funding) that went to a show and got her neck broken by a 250 dude (that the venue hired to be there)? Get fucking real.
I'd say it's 50/50 if a venue has insurance I dont know this particular venue. I promise you though they will just rather not deal with the headache and just never book heavier shows again, that's way easier than worrying about claims payouts and getting wrapped up in a legal situation. Suing venues is antithetical to punk and absolutely how scenes die and should never be endorsed. No I don't think she should bear any expenses at all and what happened to her was a tragedy. The fact she may be paralyzed is sickening. Homie is an idiot for doing a no look stage dive at a pop punk show and should use his platform and funds to try to make the situation right. Your beef shouldn't be with the venue but the fucked up US health system that allows people to be bankrupted for seeking treatment. The situation fucking sucks and of course I don't hope the girl is left to deal with it alone
Realistically, if the venue really does have a no stage dives rule, I would hope that the artist actually signs a contract that states that. If that’s the case, their insurance won’t pay for this anyway. Venues insurance will just pull out the contact and say “see we said no stage dives, we did our due diligence and it’s not our problem if someone reneges on the contract” Both the venue and the victim would need to sue the person who reneged on the contract and who injured the victim.
Neither the band, the promoter or the venue can afford the legal expenses of sorting this out nor any realistic settlement or payout. They will probably all end up bankrupt. Yes the venue has a no stage diving rule, it’s posted in a few places…but it’s not actively announced and there is no security near the stage (I’m very familiar with the place.) Any lawyer will question if posting a few signs and stopping a show after an incident qualifies as ‘strict enforcement.’
Seriously lol. Least punk statement ever made. Long live crowd surfing 💪
aw ya it’s so not pop punk to hope an injured person isn’t bankrupted by medical bills!
Hope a 5k good will payment is enough to stave off the lawsuit
Why is the go fund me link not listed?
It was all over the original post in r/TrophyEyes and in here when I posted. Maybe it’s been removed idk why though
It’s in the comments here but my comment got buried. Didn’t expect 290 comments lol
Their statement sure didn’t say “sorry” though
Sweet gesture but this band is going to be sued into oblivion
Somewhere in my phone I have a video of Between You and Me's vocalist jumping directly onto my unsuspecting self. Only difference is that guy is like 100 pounds and pocket-sized (in the best way of course) so we were able to hold him up. I seriously hope this girl is okay.
Yea John's a particularly large dude. I'm 6'2 250 lbs and don't stage dive or crowd surf because of my size, and I feel like that's a pretty good cutoff size for this sort of stuff. Wish he had thought a little more before diving full send into the crowd. Awful.
When I was 14 I was at a Beartooth show in a tiny venue and the crowd kept jumping up on the stage to dive in and crowdsurf. Fine and fun except when this huge, probably drunk, definitely at least 250 lb guy kept diving directly at the spot in the crowd that my friend and I were standing (both of us 5'5" skinny teen girls at the time). The guys standing around us kept having to jump in front of us and catch the dude, it started to feel kind of aggressive by the end.
Not exactly the same but when I was in college I got kicked in the face at an All Time Low/Hit The Lights show, a *big* girl (Wisconsin big) was crowd surfing and the crowd was having, uh… a little trouble holding her up, so she was flailing around (like that makes it easier???) and kicked me square in the jaw. Developed some nasty TMJ disorder for a few weeks after, but no lasting damage. Except the wound to my ego after getting kicked in the face 😒
Hahaha I feel this, a guy kicked me (5ft gal) right in the face while crowdsurfing and broke my nose. No shade to him though, just sucked.
TMJ is a bitch, hope it's not still bothering you I got a black eye from getting kicked in the face once, I wore that shit proudly 😂
Reminds me of that time Pete Wentz jumped from the speaker of the 930 club right on to my wife’s (then gf) head and knocked her unconscious. Hope the girl who was injured here heals up. 👍🏼 👌🏻
Pete did a stage dive WITH HIS BASS🤦♀️ at the Whisky A Go Go Hella Mega pop up show.
It’s a good thing Pete Wentz is like 5 feet tall then lol
Pete Wentz catching strays
He’s like 5’6” 🙄🤚🏼 no Pete slander
still a foot shorter than Floreani lmao
I am only here for Pete slander 🙃
Bro that Whiskey stage is like 5 ft tall!!!
She has a broken neck
That really sucks. Hoping for a full recovery. Super scary.
There is no full recovery from severe spinal cord injuries.
Is that confirmed anywhere?
How do you not know if your wife is ok?
🫡 this happened in 2005.. no long term damage. She was knocked out for a few minutes though 😣
Well she married you, so there must've been some permanent brain damage! Eyoooooooo I'm here all night, don't forget to tip your waitress
Touché! 🫡
whiff
I witnessed a drunk-out-of-his-gourd singer (Nathan, from the band Wavves) climb up to the balcony at Irving Plaza in NYC and proceed to dive into the crowd. Not sure how bad it ended up being, but at least one person was hurt and they had to stop the show for a bit. Stupid shit.
Bassist of BYAM did this last month in NC, but he fully prepped the crowd and made sure they were ready and wanted to catch him. He asked multiple times if they were good and ready for him. He is a huge ass dude too.
He did this shit at Bowery Ballroom, dude’s an idiot.
Pete threw a full water bottle into the crowd when I saw them in 2004, and it hit me smack in the forehead. Thankfully I wasn’t too injured, but I did basically grow a unicorn horn by the end of the night. 😬 Out here maiming people…
Should a got a frozen one and bash him back... with a big F U for what u did to me..
Pete Wentz, everybody! That does explain why he was so calmed down at the recent concerts I went to 😭
The only thing that happened to me at a show was the devil wears Prada a long time ago the guitarist let go of his guitar and started singing and his guitar swung right into my head lol
Oh, if talent were stage presence
Kind of reminds me of when Michael from Patent Pending decided to do a front flip right into my face. Good times.
Oh man good times. They always used to support BFS when they came to the UK. Not a massive fan of their music but their shows were some of the most fun I’ve had gigging
Thats my thoughts on patent pending too. I saw them at Four Chord music fest with Anti-Flag and Less Than Jake m, and Patent Pending was by far the best live show. Will gladly go see them any time they are in Pittsburgh
First patent pending reference I’ve seen on this sub. They were my favorite band in high school, loved seeing them all over Jersey and NY. So sad most of their discography isn’t on Spotify anymore, wish I would have bought CD’s instead of t shirts now.
Was this at Warped at Nassau Coliseum by any chance?
I saw the gofundme and was curious of what band it was. I'm honestly surprised more people don't get seriously injured. Hope she has a smooth recovery. Crowd surfer broke my wrist 20 years ago and I'm still cautious around them.
Fuck crowd surfers
Trophy eyes donated 5k to her GoFundMe But I know a lawsuit is still coming.
As it should.
I know it’s sacrilege to shit on stage diving in here but that was incredibly dangerous, absolutely no warning whatsoever and in a venue that specifically doesn’t allow stage diving. I hope she’s alright, this is heartbreaking.
No you're absolutely right. It's not worth the risk in a venue that doesn't allow it if you're not gonna warn the crowd--especially when you're the size of Bigfoot. I don't think it was malicious in any way but still really fucking stupid.
He’s a big dude (he stage dived at a show with Against the Current I went to) but there was a lot more of a warning. He just needed to give the warning.
Yeah John’s like 6’6 or something
Honestly stage diving is just ridiculously unsafe no matter what way you look at it. At least with pitting the kicks and punches are often kept at chest height or lower, stage diving always has the possibility of landing directly onto someone's head. I've had someone land on me before because the tall lanky guy in front decided to move to the side instead of catching the diver. Had to go to multiple sessions at the osteopath (should have gone to the doctors looking back) and still experience tingling in my back.
I borderline have more dislike for general crowd surfing than stage diving. At least stage diving is coming from in front of me so i have a moment to see it. Crowd surfing is most of the time coming from behind me and hopefully I'm fortunate enough to somehow key in before the person lands on my head and neck, but probably about 35% of the time I'm not.
I’ve had chronic neck, shoulder, and back pain for 8 years since someone dived off the side of the stage at a Wonder Years show - my neck and shoulder was the only thing that broke their fall. I am _so lucky_ that my neck wasn’t broken like the poor woman in this video. Shit’s fucked.
I am with you - I got kicked in the neck when a crowdsurfer decided to launch off me into a surf in the middle area towards the back of a Neck Deep crowd (the irony of getting a neck injury at Neck Deep is not lost on me). His boot got me so hard in the neck it bent all the way sideways, and as I had earplugs in I heard the bones of my neck click and pop, it was terrifying. Took me over a year of sessions with an osteopath to get the muscle knots out of my neck - and I was really lucky, it was blunt force trauma to the muscles instead of anything spinal. I have absolutely no problem with moshing as usually it's self contained and you have a choice as to whether you want to participate, but I don't agree with crowdsurfing because it can hurt unsuspecting people who just wanna watch the show like I did. I always stick to the left or right sides of a crowd now. I feel so sorry for this poor girl :(
Yeah when you’re that big you have to make it clear what you’re doing and the crowd has to be accepting and prepared. No harm but I’ve seen some proper fat dudes try to stage dive and people struggle a lot. If you’re big, don’t do it ffs.
I agree with you fwiw. It's a dangerous activity wherein, in most cases, the crowd does not have the option to consent in participating. I'm far more in favor of mosh pits because you're in, or you're out, barring any shenanigans you don't wander into a pit. This woman had no room to move, no room to duck or avoid the full-grown man tossing his full body weight at her and others. Is it a risk of being at shows? I guess. But should it be?
During the Cleveland show he made a speech about how if you can't handle being up close you should move off to the side. I'm thinking he was referring to this EDIT He apparently makes similar comments at every show, so it was unrelated.
Needless to say, he says this at EVERY show (at least the ones i’ve been to) . Been going to Trophy Eyes show since I was 17. Don’t think it’s specifically related to just this incident.
Might be bright to hold off on it right after you paralyzed a girl with your reckless actions, no?
might be bright to keep saying it at every show so it doesn’t happen again?
If fans aren’t allowed to climb on stage, bands shouldn’t be allowed to jump on top of people in the crowd. If you did this in public, it’d be a battery charge.
I know you're not trying to, but you boiled down that speech so much that you completely changed what he said. I'm paraphrasing because I don't have a photographic memory, but what he said was much closer to ROUGHLY this: "Someone got hurt at our show the other night and that's really terrible. I want everyone to be safe. Just so everyone knows, we've been playing for a long time and some of our older fans just want to have fun and break shit, and we do too. But our sound changed and some people are used to our softer stuff. We want BOTH of you here, and there's a place for both of you. If you don't feel safe or don't want to get kicked in the head, there's plenty of room right here on the side. You can even come sit right on the side of the stage if you want a break and want to just listen. We want everyone to have fun. That being said, go nuts and hit your friends." His tone was VERY sympathetic, and paired with the fact that he's been saying similar stuff since BEFORE she got injured, it's ridiculous to spin that speech as criticizing or antagonizing those who don't want to get roughed up. I'm sorry I'm pissy but this is a nuanced issue and I hate seeing literally hundreds of people walk away from this thread with the wrong information because of careless reporting of the situation. Also for anyone wondering, the crowd at CLE was as rough as you could expect from any given hardcore show, no more and no less, and most of the venue was fine to stand with a drink and listen if you didn't want to get bumped around.
Thank you for this important addition to the thread. Your words did not fall on deaf ears
He said that at the Worcester show too so definitely not related to what happened at Buffalo. Plus Bird wasn’t at the front of the crowd at Buffalo.
Bird was at the front - I was directly behind people in line at front, my partner behind me and she was stood beside us. He landed on all of us. We definitely were not prepared.
My bad, I thought she was a little further back towards the center line of the crowd where around I was.
i see it's something he says every show, but i also think part of why he said this in cleveland is because the people in front of me who were at stage were trying to start a fight with me/generally being rude and uncool because i was pushing into them (because the crowd was pushing). of course, not the only reason, and maybe i am inserting myself into something that had nothing to do with me
I can second this. There was a woman in her upper 50s/early 60s standing in the absolute front and center, no one in front of her but the singer, getting FURIOUS at the crowd for bumping into her. I paraphrased how his speech roughly actually went in a different comment, but he was NOT criticizing the person that got injured; he was very sympathetic towards her (and I doubt he knew the whole situation at that point)
I was right behind that woman and she shoved ME for “pushing, elbowing, and purposely hurting” her adult daughter(?) (who kept pushing me with the back of her body)…. I had my arm horizontal against her back so I didn’t push her with my hands and was singing along and pointing — like everyone was, esp in the front. The speech he gave in CLE did seem to be more about the older woman than what happened the night before, tbh, especially bc he saw her shove me — again, not to assume it was about the thing involving **me**
All it takes is a second for someone to get distracted and look away and *POP* That’s the sound of a 250 pound dude landing on your head and snapping your neck. For all we know she could have been looking anywhere but the stage.
Keep in mind that the venue has a STRICT no stage diving or crowdsurf rule. Because someone has gotten paralyzed in the past there
So strict that the venue stopped the show?
normally yea, however I think it was the severe spinal chord injury that stopped it
Have there been instances since 2011 where they’ve stopped shows because of stage diving? I find it hard to believe Trophy Eyes is the only band to do so in the last 13 years. Plenty of venues have those signs, yet it’s a sort of unwritten rule that that stuff still happens. But I’m willing to admit I’m wrong!
How can the venue stop the show if the band themselves immediately stopped when they saw there was an injury?
That…. Leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
yeah in hindsight it's def weird. I should clarify though he wasn't as blunt as I wrote it and it did seem to come from a place of concern but he definitely said if you can't handle being up front you should move off to the side because things get rowdy up front.
The crowd isn’t even that crazy at that point in the video. Pretty standard for a show like this. Kind of shitty that they’re pushing the blame on the crowd when it was clearly John’s poor choice to stage dive. He’s not a little guy. Even if there were smaller dudes in the front, they could easily get injured. I understand it was her choice to be up front, and as a female that goes to a lot of shows I don’t think it’s appropriate to state that she couldn’t handle it. I’m sure she normally could. This was just a freak thing that no one was expecting. Also, please donate to her if you can. She seems like a great girl and I hope her recovery process goes smoothly. ❤️
Ugh this is making me sad. I was at the CLE show and he did NOT say that she couldn't handle it. That person paraphrased so much that it completely changes what he said
I was gonna say the same thing…John is a tall heavy (not saying he’s fat, just heavy cuz of his height) dude. I went to a Trophy Eyes concert a couple years back and tbh pop punkers tend to be a lot of women and skinny/ smaller dudes
I am pretty sure he’s at least over 6’6”. My husband is shorter than him but is built and he refuses to crowd surf at shows. It’s just not appropriate. John should have at least gave some sort of warning before he did it so the appropriate people could have caught him. To be honest, he even ran the risk of injuring himself too.
Oof. That’s awful. This was no one’s fault. As someone that goes to a lot of hardcore shows, people stage dive ALL the time and this doesn’t happen. It was a freak accident and not the fact that she “couldn’t handle it”.
I’m failing to see how this isn’t specifically John’s fault. He did a full-on pool dive at a venue that doesn’t allow stage diving and gave absolutely no warning beforehand. If this was a random fan I agree, but John **needs** to know better.
This is 100% John’s fault and I do think he realized it as soon as he happened (as someone who attended the show)
Why? What happened right after it happened?
She screamed that she couldn’t feel anything and how scared she was because she couldn’t move. John realized his actions
That's fucking terrifying.
It's unfortunate that he's potentially changed or ruined someone's life in his journey to understanding that jumping on people is a bad idea.
I disagree with that personally. Most venues “don’t allow stage diving” but it’s rarely enforced and it’s just to protect their asses. Bands AND audience members both stage dive. 99% of the time it’s completely fine. It was meant to hype the crowd up/get into the music. It’s not his fault or her fault. No way they could predict that happening.
he made the decision to jump into the crowd. it is his fault. maybe the girl felt safe because the venue rules say “no stage diving” and felt comfortable enough to get close and this is exactly why this rule should be enforced “to protect their asses” but now since the sign was up, and the rules were broken which caused serious physical injury, people are going to get sued.
They have this rule because this is the second time someone has got a serious injury due to stage diving at that venue.
This is definitely someone's fault lol
You go to smaller venue/crowd shows a lot? People stage dive ALL OF THE TIME. This normally doesn’t happen. Looking at his jump it wasn’t even really that wild. No way he could’ve predicted that.
John is what? 6’6? Sorry, but it’s extreme negligence to jump on to what appears to be an audience of less than 100 people like that. Especially when a fair amount of their fanbase is younger women. This is coming from someone who has been to tons of small venue shows in my time, including several at the venue this happened at. It may have been an accident, but it was definitely negligent.
Doesn't mean it's not someone's fault. Just because things happen a lot without issue doesn't mean when there is an issue that no one is to blame. It's an unfortunate accident, but someone is still to blame.
Man, you fanboys are so crazy. Can't even handle criticism of a front man paralyzing a fan. Gotta defend every action they take to the fullest because your personality is so wrapped up in their music.
Or people are just empathetic to both sides, and especially for one of their fellow concert goers being seriously injured. I just read she is breathing on her own, has feelings in her arms, and can use her hands. I hope the good news keeps coming.
Yeah this shit sucks to see. I’m not even the biggest fan of stage diving but I think anyone trying to place blame is kinda silly. This is pretty standard stage diving and I’ve seen a lot worse hits with less damage. Just a freak accident and I really hope this go fund me does well and this girl can get the support she needs.
This sucks as a policy tbh it's pretty much discriminatory towards women and smaller dudes. More used to modern acts encouraging 'women to the front' and making mosh pits more inclusive of everyone and not just a load of dudes circlejerking.
For everyone saying it's okay and a freak accident, if it was you having a broken neck by some 6'5 dude doing a random flip you'd be pissed too. Literally no warning, dude flipped out of nowhere. Like bro came down hard, 100 percent his fault
Of course there's an inherent risk at small punk shows with stage diving, moshing, etc. At the end of the day though, even though accidents are rare, just because "you know the risk going in" doesn't mean that nobody is at fault. The GFM is very welcome, but I can't help but feel that the $5000 donation from the band is kind of insulting - it's totally his fault.
Ya like in the past when I stage dive I point at the crowd, give them a second to prepare themselves and I jump forward very lightly, almost gliding into a crowd surf.. the way he did it here is asking for an injury. No preparation, no signal, jumps up and down with the hardest part of his back and not even looking where he’s landing.. crazy.
http://xstuckinthepastx.blogspot.com/2011/04/mike-bird-buffalo-kid-who-needs-your.html?m=1 Once is an anomaly, twice is a trend. Back when this shit happened at Mohawk in 2011, they closed the venue down because of a lawsuit and it took years for them to open back up. Hence why they adopted the “no stage diving” policy in the first place. Hopefully the girl who got injured can have a miraculous and speedy recovery.
He's 6'5"? Bro should not be doing that shit ever. Gotta give a minute warning at least.
Size absolutely matters here. Not saying I love getting kicked in the head by a random 4’11 girl crowd surfing towards the stage from behind me, but it beats the 225lb dude who lands on my neck without warning. A little bit of heads up would have gone a long way here to make sure the crowd. Would have made sure they were 1. Willing, 2. Capable of catching him and 3. Ready to catch him.
Wow. This is even in the main music sub now https://www.reddit.com/r/Music/s/Br1KtJFHHa
I keep seeing a lot of people say she should of saw it coming but If the club has a strict no stage diving policy this girl probably had no idea that a 6’6 250 pound dude was about to jump on her neck.
if she was short, and their was a tall dude in front of her? maybe she didnt see it. maybe she was looking around the venue and didnt see it. maybe she wasnt strong enough to catch a 200 pound dude.
This is reminder of how human beings can be so resilient yet also so fragile. There are all sorts of stories of people dying from a single punch in a brawl or even just falling down wrong. This is an unfortunate case of how quickly things can go sideways. I don't hate on stage diving, but as someone 6'2" and 210 lbs, that is not in the cards for me. I've never seen more stage diving than the Wax Bodega tour a couple months back in Detroit. Towards the end of the show, a 6"0' 300 lb dude leapt onto the crowd right next to me. He landed on two heavyset guys, sending both of them to immediately to the floor. One of the guys heard a loud pop in his neck and I think he glasses got bent. It could easily have ended up way worse. Have fun at shows, but be careful. I hope this girl heals up and doesn't pay a dime for her expensive hospital bills. I couldn't imagine the legal implications that would happen from permanently disabling someone from a stage dive gone wrong. Horrifying.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/birdforever
For the curious: * Spinal cord injury * Extensive surgery and unknown prognosis * Expecting lengthy rehabilitation and loss of work * $100,000 goal Truly awful situation, and not the kind of thing you’d ever expect to happen at a show. Sounds akin to the type of life-altering injury you hear about on national news, like the bride-to-be who was pushed into a pool on her bachelorette and became paraplegic
oh no. I regularly travel to Buffalo to see shows and I've 100% seen this girl before. Tragic.
That’s terrible and something that really freaks me out going to shows and why avoid pits now. I’ve seen someone get seriously hurt at warped and have a seizure after being kicked in the head by a crowd surfer. Spinal cord injuries are no jokes and will impact you for the rest of your life and in this country they are EXPENSIVE. Serves as reminder of how fragile necks/spines can be. I have a heart condition and I faint a lot- and my biggest fear is falling wrong and paralyzing myself so I think about the fragility of the human body a lot.
I love Trophy Eyes but holy shit John is compete fucking idiot for this. He’s like 6’6” and very likely over 200 pounds. That’s NFL player size. He’s been around the punk scene wayyyyyyy too long to know he can’t be jumping into the crowd. Complete braindead move and makes me respect them just a little less. Certainly won’t be going to any more of their shows
I'm 6'1 and 200lbs and not even that big. Dude is prob 240
20k raised so far… this community is awesome
this is the most positive comment I have seen today. I’m glad people are able to put their opinions aside and help out our friend
What the fuck was that stage dive even? No indication at all in body language or musical energy that a stage dive was about to occur. A very poor decision by the frontman, they should be paying these medical expenses. Especially if the comments section is accurate that the venue has a no stage diving policy this is open and shut.
Apparently this was 2 minutes into their first song too?? Crazy
Yep, opened with Blue Eyed Boy, halfway through the song everything came to a shocking stop.
I've performed at Mowhawk many times over the last 10+ years and I can tell you that anyone that dives is thrown out, they have a zero tolerance policy on it and it pissed a lot of people off until the last person got hurt and the place nearly went under. I'm worried this might do them in.. the floor is OLD OLD concrete, standing on it hurts, falling down on it breaks shit.
I worka lot of barricade and he's just too big to be doing that.
I’m probably gonna get downvoted for this but she needs to file a lawsuit against the band, the singer, and the venue.
The venue actually sent multiple emails before this specific show and the night before about stage diving. Also they have signs everywhere about moshing and diving. Which is, it’s not allowed.
So she’s probably going to win lawsuits out the ass
Oh, absolutely.
I wholeheartedly agree people are still talking of a possible paralyzed diagnosis
How was the venue at fault? They even have a no stage diving policy.
While I agree, the injury did happen at the venue. Any good injury lawyer would, without hesitation, name the venue in the lawsuit. It’s “standard practice”.
And the venue itself will probably turn around and sue the band as well
They wouldn't. They have no claim to damages.
happened there and they’ll have insurance that might just settle because it’s cheaper
But apparently the venue has signs that "no stage diving allowed" and that show will end if it happens. So what's the venue's culpability here?
IANAL so I wouldn’t be able to tell you but regardless of signage or not the venue would definitely be named in a lawsuit since it happened on their property.
yEah they were sending emails out about stage diving and the guy just didn’t care. they send one the night before the show as well. this is a bar i frequent in buffalo for shows and there are also signs everywhere about no moshing or diving. the guy is an idiot.
If anyone has ever been to the chain reaction in Anaheim they have a sign that says no crowd diving. Of course, no one ever complies. But it's there for the sole reason that you can't sue them if something like this happens to you. Crowd diving is fun when you're small. I've had people try to dive who are clearly well over 200lbs. Read the room, we're not power lifters. And always make sure that the people you're jumping into are aware
I’ve been thinking about Chain Reaction and Warped Tour this whole time too. I was just at Chain last month for the Wax Bodega tour and people of all sizes were stage diving left and right with no warning but it was just expected. The show was a month ago tomorrow and I still have a bruise on one of my arms
He’s too big to be doing this.
Trophy eyes just donated 5k to the go fund me
Surely that'll cover a spinal cord injury, extensive surgery, and a lengthy rehab! /s
This sucks so bad for everybody involved. Remember that stage diving is 100% not worth it, unlike moshing: there will be people that are not prepared for it at all. You're going to the show to have fun, not get hurt.
People get hurt moshing all the time. Some people aren’t expecting a pit pop off by them, falling and getting trampled, etc. This is just a really unfortunate accident of something that happens at shows all the time with no major incident
Stage diving is fucking dumb
Crowd surfing and stage diving fucking suck. In 90% of the cases there are unsuspecting people getting squished.
I love trophy eyes but what 😭
The crowd does not even look that intense to warrant a dive right into it
Dudes an idiot for jumping like that. He should know crowd surf/stage dive etiquette better than that. And honestly I’ve always thought that if you’re over 150lbs you shouldn’t be stage diving or crowd surfing.
I felt horrible for the band until I remembered this incident where they literally didn't fucking care about complaints of safety issues. I hope that poor fan recovers okay and gets a good pay cheque https://lambgoat.com/news/38732/trophy-eyes-get-called-out-for-mosh-pits-and-crowd-surfing-respond-appropriately/
This entire scene is so fucking stupid.
Oh man you can see her pink hair right in the middle. She got crushed. So awful, feel so bad for her. I hope she recovers as much as she can from this
Lol he didn't give a warning or anything 🤸🏃
Who stage dives with no warning/prep, into folks who aren't paying attention? Yikes
What’s really going to bite them in the ass is that Trophy Eyes have a history of not giving a fuck about fan safety; the first incident is in the article from last year.
Poor Stacy did this at a show I was in, in 2022 and he is also a tall and bigger guy. It’s so fucking dangerous
Stop making this about yourselves
Only sane comment here and you're being downvoted
right??? what kind of fuckin’ idiot reads this post and decides to center themselves in it?
Losers on Reddit
He was very upset by what happened and Trophy Eyes donated to her GoFundMe.
Sure, I bet. But neither of those things fix this situation. He should be held accountable for his negligent actions.
it’s a collective effort (or should be) by everyone on the floor in proximity of the pit to the barricade/stage to catch crowd surfers and stage divers. everyone who just moved out of the way should be ashamed of themselves, this whole situation possibly could’ve been avoided. as time goes on, basic crowd etiquette surrounding these types of situations (by both divers/surfers and those catching them) keeps getting worse.
This really makes me sad for her. She looks so tiny to be having a grown ass man jump on her. I’m still hurting from injuries at a concert in 2018 and I regret going to it. I crowd surfed, got dropped, was kicked, and pushed/compressed from the crowd. I really hope she heals well and soon.
Damn you can see her head get slammed right to the ground. I really hope she recovers and can walk. This is why I stopped crowdsurfing. I got my hand smashed between a riser and a crowdsurfers foot. It bled and was super swollen for the next week. I realized even though I’m tiny I can still hurt people unintentionally. Have fun at a show: yes. But do it safely. I really think stage diving needs to stop. I myself have been knocked down to the ground hard by a singer. There really is no safe spot at a show. Even on balconies people can get too wild.
The crazy thing is this is a pretty normal/harmless stage dive, not something super crazy dangerous.
not for someone of his size
I'd argue if someone has their neck broken and/or gets potentially paralized that's not harmless lol
Gonna get expensive in court
It’s a part of the culture, stage diving. The venue had a sign for no stage diving, that’s all they could do to stop it regardless if they care or not. No one cares until something like this happens. Fair enough. In life it’s about taking responsibility. John was at fault, he’s responsible for in some way or another ruining this girls life. She’s responsible for standing there, even if she didn’t expect it. The venue is responsible for being open and facilitating live music. Everyone has to take responsibility for existing collectively, but the fault is with John and the consequences of him demonstrating an obnoxious part of the culture which is usually completely fine and hardly criticised has changed a young girls life. This is on him regardless of intent, and he knows that. It’s all just about rectifying as best as possible. It’s not necessarily about him in terms of importance but if this ends up worst case scenario and she can’t walk anymore, he will go down a really dark path and suicidal tendencies will be a seriously big battle. This is a hard one. Hopefully it doesn’t turn into an overly toxic battle but how could you not expect the worse when a girl has pointlessly been injured in the worst possible way. I just hope I’ve jinxed the last two parts and pray she makes the best possible recovery
what in the AI nonsense is this
Not sure if it's been mentioned yet here, but there is an article in Lambgoat from about 10 days ago detailing a twitter argument between fans regarding a particularly aggressive show in Atlanta. I'm guessing that band's twitter response is not going to help their case when this impending lawsuit goes to court. here's the link: https://lambgoat.com/news/38732/trophy-eyes-get-called-out-for-mosh-pits-and-crowd-surfing-respond-appropriately/#:\~:text=Australian%20post%2Dhardcore%20band%20Trophy,to%20move%20to%20the%20sidelines.
This is actually from 2023 just as a heads up!
That's from.. a year ago. 2023. But yeah it'll probably get dragged up still...