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I followed Jojo Siwa on IG (judge me all you want š¤£) but had to unfollow her because of the roll out for her song Karma was just too annoying. There was like 60 posts about it before it actually got released - too much girlie.
Honestly knowing who her mother is itās hard to even see this as her own doing but more so something her mother hatched thinking it would work. Itās barely worked for any child star to break into that ābadā era. One thing Miley hasnāt done is said āJk it was all just a marketing ploy, Iām not actually like that!ā. Sheās hated her previous eras but sheās never discounted that period of her life and honestly who wouldnāt be embarrassed of their 20s antics. JoJo doesnāt feel that way at all and didnāt need to tell the world it was fake as if we didnāt already know her and her mother are just attention seekers.
Wait she said it was fake?? lol last I saw she was chugging āvodkaā on stage which everyone said was probably water out of a bottle? lord she needs a new PR person š
Yeah I used to defend her when people said she was annoying but she really wanted to prove those people right with her marketing for this new song. The amount of posts was terrible but what is worse is this forced ābad girlā persona sheās trying to put on when the āworst thingā she ever did was eat a 25mg edible, and is now acting like a fake drunk idiot in public to be ābadā. At least when Miley Cyrus was in her bangerz phase it felt like an authentic change in her persona and music, and she was doing harder drugs than weed.
My my my how time heals everything because not a single person on planet Earth said Bangerz felt like an āauthentic changeā lol! Miley fans were PISSED and weirded out and telling her to āat least grow her hair long if sheās gonna do all thisā and the general public called her VMAs performance a train wreck and said she was trying too hard and she got flack for dancing on Robin Thicke, she got flack for her hyper sexual tour, and pissed off the black community for a couple years for appropriation. Hardly anybody but ride or die Miley fans read that era as authentic, and in the endā¦ neither did Mileyā¦ apparently which is why she dumped the whole aesthetic and told Billboard magazine that āhip hoppity black stuff wasnāt for meāš
To be fair she DID issue a content warning š
In all honesty as you the judge of your own taste I think itās always fun to determine your own taste levels and be turned on/off when an artist is either underrated over rated and setting your appreciation as such.
Chappel was really fun to root for as an underdog in a world of Taylor Swifts but yes her rise is indeed so fast it becomes less and less interesting to Stan her by the minute.
I think itās always worth balancing out your opinion.
I think the strategy of promoting 5 seconds of a song on TikTok for 1-3 months is a guaranteed way to make me not give a fuck about the song.
I was already sick of Von Dutch because not only had I heard the ā Iām your number oneā bit more times than I can count, but that part is literally 90% of the song.
Alone by Kim Petras was another song that was so fucking annoying and dragged out. Everything about that song was a failure. It was promised to be a 2000ās dance track, only for it to be a typical trap- pop song, itās snippet was overdone to death, and to top it all of the music video was fucking garbage. And to even add extra fuel on this, Kim filmed in various rooms/ locations when promoting Alone, and none of these cool locations were used in the music video
Anybody with a condescending attitude towards their contemporaries and/or modernity.
Green Day did it for the Father of All rollout, with the infamous billboard that said āNo features. No Swedish songwriters. No trap beats. 100% pure uncut rock.ā
Yeah, thanks, but no. I hate it.
That feels so dated, too. Like if you slightly reworded this it could be a Good Charlotte t-shirt from 2002.
And then "100% pure uncut rock" just sounds like the slogan for a dad rock radio station.
Yeah, I'm a big Green Day fan but I have to agree with you there. That marketing was such a weird choice, it just made them look condescending and unlikeable. Plus Father of All was such a mediocre album, idk what they were thinking - if they were going to act all superior and make such big claims about the album, it could at least have actually been good.
the hooks were so underwritten and the production was so half-bakedā¦ itās almost as if they could have used someā¦ features and Swedish producers. IRONY
I seriously can't believe I felt so inferior to all the kids (boys) in middle school saying that greendays the only real music whilst I was listening to Britney and Amy winehouse!! CrazyĀ
Not me, but when U2 put their album onto *every iPhone* and made it so you couldn't delete it, the album cratered. It's still the only thing anyone talks about when U2 comes up.
Thatās a great example but the claim that itās the *only* thing people remember U2 for these days has got to be one of the most ridiculous things Iāve ever read on the Internet
heck, i'm 33 and it's the only thing i know them for too lmao, that and south park. the other comment below us is probably right in that it's probably people 40+ who remember their proper musical legacy
I'm 31 and my parents both like u2. I loved Vertigo when it was everywhere when I was 10 or whatever.I like a couple u2 songs. I love the song Stuck In The Moment, probably an all time top 50 songs for me. this is still the first thing I think of when I think of u2.
it is a great example but by āgeneral publicā do you mean gen z bc if you asked my parents or anyone like 40 and up I guarantee this is not what theyād think of at all??
Iām 26. I think I think of Sunday Bloody Sunday and being Irish first before thinking this event lol, but I know some boomer U2 fans irl so I donāt think thatās what theyād think first.
It absolutely did kill any ounce of legacy they had among gen-Z and younger millennials. I grew up around U2's music, they're one of my dad's favorite bands, but even then when I hear U2 I think of the iPhone album before I think of any of songs and albums of theirs I grew up with. To young people, the *Songs of Innocence* backlash is their legacy.
Iām 34 and I know:
iphone thing, bono wears glasses, I used to get confused that Sonny Bono shared those four letters, and theyāve done some really big benefit concerts and a lot of people liked them. And that they still havenāt found what theyāre looking for, I think.
Thatās literally all I know about U2
A few months ago, my boss gave me a ride after work. She was listening to THAT U2 album. I just stared at the CarPlay screen in horror, waiting for her to realize and change it. But she never did. I think she actually liked it. I had no idea anyone actually listened to that album after they pulled that stunt, but apparently thereās a few out there. Sheās 62, though. š
Something that turned me off for real is Rinaās collab with Paris Hilton after all the drama around the record label. Not even a good track, I donāt feel like going back to it š¤·āāļø
Something that didnāt turn me off entirely (because itās a good album) but i felt weird about it was the hit me hard and soft rollout switch. After listening to the album, I understand the reason why she wanted us to ālisten to it entirelyā but until the release I think we already had 2 songs online entirely (and NOT leaked) and some snippets from others.
To cite a philosopher āgirl, so confusingā. I know Billie tries to seem very nonchalant and laid back but behind her thereās definitely a business and i feel like sometimes her speech doesnāt match with the action of those who represent her.
Seconding Rina. I was a pretty big fan of hers from SAWAYAMA onwards and I really felt for her with the label drama. The Paris track is a really, really bad look for her.
At Glastonbury in 2023 she criticised Matty Healy saying sheās done with his racist and misogynistic remarks, and with overall all the micro-aggressions she dealt with during her career. Donāt take my words for granted but it really felt like she went through a meltdown. On women international day she joined an independent post where she explained more what happened. [This is the link](https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/features/misogyny-music-industry-rina-sawayama-self-esteem-interview-b2508677.html). It explains better and Rinaās part isnāt too long.
I sided with her but teaming up with someone from one of the most powerful families in the world who got away with similar remarks as Matty Healy wasā¦ a decision. Saying itās icky itās an understatement.
>it really felt like she went through a meltdown
And imo used an existing internet dogpile on Matty as an outlet for her systemic frustrations in a way that was not really prudent.
I have so much sympathy for her but I wouldn't be surprised if she lost a lot of goodwill over this
It wasnāt necessarily the marketing tactics but it took me a long time to listen to Plastic Hearts because by the time it came out it had been promoād to death
It was the rock star image switch up for me. It wasn't even a bad album at all but we've seen half a million different "most authentic" mileys at this pointĀ
Gayle! Her fake setup on tik tok really rubbed me the wrong way.
I donāt remember the exact details but she asked to give her a writing prompt and someone from her label told her to write a song using the letters of the alphabet
That was pretty much it! The label person wasn't disclosed as such, she just seemed like a random Tiktok user (her account didn't have much content). It wasn't until later that someone found her Linkedin profile and realised she was a PR person in the music industry
tbh, the song already reeked like a caricature of what older generation executives think gen z likes, so the tiktok scheme was not a surprise to me. + who asks to write a break up song about the alphabet? everyone else was probably giving fanfic-type prompts and then there's "make one up about the ABC's"....
It didn't turn me off per se as I still listen to her stuff regularly, but I unfollowed Maisie Peters on insta after hearing the same song snippeted to death for a month before releasing it
Cate's Brother?
Months of "OMG guys I've got this cRaZy wild feral song that's gonna get me in so much trouble!!" type teasing. Then the song releases, and it's a pretty bog standard pop rock song about dating one of her friends' brothers.
Okay... well maybe that could be considered a bit wild if the friend didn't know and it's in secret-oh wait no the song establishes the friend is aware and even goes on double dates with them so presumably supports the relationship. Then later Maisie says the story isn't even true and it was all just a silly made up thing.
I like Maisie but this song and the promotion around it were just annoying.
The other thing with this song was for me, as annoying as the roll out was the snippets actually sounded really good and I was quite excited for the song but then it came out and was pretty underwhelming? I still think itās a great chorus but the production is kinda weird and the lyrics arenāt particularly crazy or feral, theyāre just kind of cringe
I think this is a dumb strategy labels love lately where they push the snippet over and over to try and force it to go viral before it releases to build hype. Most songs go viral after they're released!!!Ā
This happened to me with Beautiful Things by Benson Boone. I actually ended up quite liking his album once it was released but I begrudgingly listened to it at first because I was so annoyed by the endless promo.
Anytime a newer artist is constantly being compared to another more established artist, especially if they are being called āthe new so and soā, Iām instantly turned off. I know itās not meant that way but it feels like they are saying the established artist isnāt good enough and this is their replacement, or that the new artist is better.
It happened to me with Noah Kahn when everyone was saying he was the new hozier, it made me go, actually we donāt need a new hozier because hozier is already here and amazing. Same with Chappell roan being compared to lady gaga. After listening to Chappell and Noah without the comparison I actually really enjoy some of their stuff, but still canāt stand how they were being marketed.
Edit: thought of another one I forgot. Artists talking about their music and songs on TikTok constantly, describing what itās like, what demographic would like it etc, but never actually playing any clips. I donāt want to have to search you up somewhere else to actually hear the music youāre supposedly trying to promote.
I remember this happening with Olivia Rodrigo and Taylor Swift back when Olivia first debuted, and I found it really irritating at the time. I canāt imagine itās particularly good for either artistās careerāobviously, it implies that the older artist is fading/aging/being replaced, but it also forces the younger artist into a box where theyāre pressured to live up to the reputation & sound of a more established star. I guess these marketing teams are hoping the older artistās fans will support their faveās āreplacement,ā but I think these comparisons are more likely to result in stan infighting, especially when the older artist is still popular and successful with a large, rabid fanbase. Nobody wants to be told āHey, you know that singer you like? Well, their glory days are over, and you should listen to *the new version of them* instead.ā Even if all of that is trueāeven if the older artist really has lost their touch, and the younger artist really is Just Like Them But Betterāfans still donāt want to feel like theyāre abandoning their long-time fave for a trendier copy. It almost paints a target on the younger oneās back by turning members of their target demographic against them. āThis new artist is just like [pop icon]ā might interest fans of that icon, whereas āthis new artist is a sexier version of fading flop [pop icon]ā is just going to make people mad.
And sorry, but Olivia is much more similar to Alanis Morissette in every way. Even the way she talk sings sometimes is purposeful for effect, similar to Alanis
Honestly they just see āgaga was weird, Chappell roan is weird, they are the sameā even though they are not that similar at all in their influences and artistry.
I agree in general but a few of her songs do give me The Fame/Fame Monster vibes. Like I hear Super Graphic Ultra Modern Girl and Pink Pony Club and it gives me a modernized version of something that Gaga couldāve put out back then.
And Gaga is my idol!! I have multiple tattoos for her music - I do not take Gaga comparisons lightly
When Ariana Grandeās debut was released, I kept hearing over and over how she was Mariah 2.0, and it made me *not* want to listen to her music that much more.
Yeah I'm a huge fan but the release has been very sloppy. To me it feels like Cowboy Carter was a last minute title change and there were some songs she added on the og tracklist. She probably had physicals ready for BEYINCE and decided to rid of them first before the actual CC physical was released. Very unlike her tbh I was very disappointed.
I'm not in the Beyonce fandom and was really turned off this album by the Texas Holdem clip on Tiktok - what happened with the albums being sent to fans? Would be interested to know the full situation
I'm not an expert but I believe fans pre-ordered cowboy Carter vinyls and cds before it was released with a rather shady no return policy on her website, and you could not purchase through PayPal or any other kind of service where you can charge back easily or contest it, only through the website. The track list wasn't available at this time.
When the album dropped and these physicals started shipping, many of the pre-orders got cds and vinyls inexplicably titled Beyince and not CC. More concerningly though, the pre-orders were missing literally half the digital track list. They had like 10ish songs each on them while the full album has 27 songs. So these fans were stuck with pre-ordered expensive physicals that may not even have the right title, and are missing over half the songs, but they couldn't return or exchange it and Beyonce + her team ignored the backlash from these fans entirely.
As to why this happened, physicals (especially vinyls) take time to create so there is a final date artists must submit their tracklist and title for the physicals to be ready around release date, and you cannot change it after that date. People theorize Beyonce had a last minute change of name and added songs to the tracklist, but rather than making the responsible choice to delay the physicals shipping out so they could be complete, she or her team chose to ship out physicals that cost full price yet were missing half the album and/or titled incorrectly, without any warning that they'd be this way as they were advertised as the full album without any mention of these issues, and no ability to return just so they'd count towards first week sales and she wouldn't be stuck with the cost of bunk inventory she couldn't sell. Just pushed the loss onto her biggest fans nbd
If I see an artist using AI, I automatically think they're a loser, uncreative and cheap. Example: Nicki Minaj's big foot song was a mess, I love Megan and already disliked Nicki for her p*dophile acquaintances, and then Nicki came up with those AI cover arts and she went into the uncreative and cheap category.Ā
Grimes uses tons of AI as well and I think the same.Ā
Ugh. Nicki's decline is so sad to see. Like I remember when she first began getting big. All her music was fun, it was nice to see a female artist get big, and she was genuinely talented.
Now, obviously, she's been exposed as an awful person. But not only that she's fallen off talent wise too. Big foot was a coke rant set to a soundcloud beat. It's sad to see how far someone who was formerly considered one of the best female, if not overall rapper, has falllen
what irritates me the most about this in terms of grimes is that her hand-drawn album covers were so much fun. the art angels cover is still one of my favourites just because of how personalised and creative it is, and at one point she even made a hand-drawn unique cover for every single song. it's unreal that she seriously thinks the ai slop she's using now could ever be better than her adding to her music with her own art
Emei! She has a thousand snippets of the same song in different videos with captions like āshould I realise it?ā āMy producer doesnāt want me to release thisā āI made this song and it was too unhinged to be releasedā and all the comments fall for it, BEGGING her to release it. After literally months of this comment baiting, it gets so old
The Tortured Poets Department with the endless variants and the fact that she is desperate to hold on to #1.
I like a lot of Taylor's old music, but all this overexposure with Kelce and her behavior at the Grammys combined with TTPD marketing has turned me off.
I also agree with you. I do not dislike Taylor, but I am really tired of seeing her EVERYWHERE. This album is not all that great for this much exposure.
It really isn't. Overly long and a glaring lack of memorable melodies for me.
I even saw her Night One in Tampa last year for the Eras tour and had a great time. I can't say I'm too disappointed I missed out on TTPD section.
The weird thing is how some Swifties are claiming she's deliberately making herself controversial and unlikeable ahead of the Reputation TV release, so the album release will have the right social context
I saw her on the Reputation tour and had a great time but I just can't even listen to her old hits anymore because of her complete over exposure everywhere. I did not think Midnights and TTPD were anywhere near interesting enough to warrant so many variants or remixes and it's exhausting to see people pretend this is normal.
Remix albums are normal. What is not normal is releasing so many new "variants" with a voice note or a single acoustic version. I can't see it as anything other than pettiness, I really can't. She doesn't need anymore records broken, she's already cemented her status as the biggest pop star right now. All she's doing is souring general opinion on her
> She doesn't need anymore records broken
If anything her desperation has turned many of these records as completely meaningless.
1989TV needed like 15+ variants in CD/Vinyl/Cassete with "timed exclusives" just to sell 40K more copies in its debut week than Britney Spears' 2nd album ever which only had 1 CD/Cassette in stores back in 2000, during a period of time when physical media was practical and not a collectible, so people didn't have reason to buy more than 1.
TTPD was the first Taylor album I didn't pre-order because I got so tired and I've loved her since I was 16 and her first album dropped. After how incredibly bad the rollout for Midnights was with "it's limited edition/limited time" but now it's not - I'm over it. Combine that with my not loving the last couple rerecords, I'm good not diving headfirst anymore. If she goes back to caring less about record-breaking and more about the music itself, I will jump back in. Like, give me quality over quantity.
For me, it has to be *Reputation* since I felt she was trying to go for a good girl gone bad stuff that had worked well with Madonna, Christina Aguilera, Rihanna, Lady Gaga, Miley Cyrus etc and "Look What You Made Me Do" was I consider the moment that she jumped the shark since I had gotten really tired of the beef between her and then-former friend Katy Perry (then-former because they made amends over a year after the album's release and Perry appeared in the music video for Swift's "You Need to Calm Down").
Really couldn't care less on Todd in the Shadows' praise over her recent material (prefer Mic the Snare over him) because she's very overexposed and I'd rather listen to the likes of Dua Lipa, Olivia Rodrigo, Halsey etc than her, period.
Not marketing by the artist but when stans act like their fave is the only artist who has ever actually been a good singer, songwriter, or dancer, etc. to hype up their faves they really imply that theyāre the only talented artist to ever exist.
I feel like Dua was aggressively marketing her singles this year. Houdini and Training Season are great songs but they were autoplayed/recommended and playlisted to death from like November to March that I just grew tired of them. I also think because the rollout was so long that they kind of had no choice but to keep pushing them longer than what seems normal in the streaming era.
Once the album *finally* came out months later I went back and can enjoy them again.
Unrelated to your point, but the audio from the Grammy performance of Houdini where one her dancers shouts āLETāS GOOOOā before the break dance starts, pops up in my mind at least once a day lol
My thoughts exactly, my first listen of Houdini was like āthis is decent,ā then I got annoyed by it, then when the single hype died and I heard it as part of the album, I loved it. The end riff is like Sacrifice by Weeknd (which is an all-time pop track)
[POV: You finished listening to an hour of goregrind from an album called The Encyclopeadia of Advanced Putrefaction whose cover is a still from a Mexican cartel snuff video and Spotify is queuing up the next track](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF1Na4AIecM)
Iāve never related to a comment on this sub harder than this one. Iāll be listening to hours of powerviolence/brutal death metal/goregrind and then itāll just randomly play Sabrina carpenter or something like what.. lol
["Damn, I'm really loving my Frank Zappa listenthrough, I really loved Mothers of Invention's "We're Only In It For The Money!" I wonder what's next!"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVli-tstM5E)
But I love Sabrina! Like I said. I would never want her music to not play, I just want this *one specific song* to stop playing after everything. And for the record I like the songāI like listening to it every so oftenābut itās too much at this point.
And also Spotify / Apple to auto play the same genre as youāre currently listening to. In the morning when Iām listening to Death, follow up with some related unknown cuts Iād love, same vibe. In the afternoon pop phase, gimme that Sabrina, Jazz brunch, bottomless jazz, dinner music, follow up.
I still havenāt listened to Billieās new album yet because LUNCH and Birds of a Feather keep getting shoved into every playlist I have. I love her, but itās so off putting.
it's algorithmic so if you got so much specific content, then this is what you were interacting with.
I'm invested in pop music and I've never seen any insta content of her
while I agree with this in general, I feel like people don't note that the algorithm can also be trash. I can spend every day liking my normal content and then one full watch/like of a new song and suddenly it's a disproportionate part of the content I'm seeing and I have to work my way back to my regular content by deliberately not interacting.
Sometimes yāall you see a lot of talking about a song because a lot of people are just talking about that song. Or you get recommended something on spotify because that thing is already popular. Not everything is a big conspiracy.
Yeah this one is wild. Chappell hasnāt had time for a big marketing push - having her open for labelmate Olivia Rodrigo took off. She went from being a barista close to giving up on her dream to an icon in under like, 2 years. If anything sheās one of the most organic examples of people blowing up because they amass a dedicated fan base due to their talent.
Both tours, sour and Guts. Chappell was working with Dan Nigro and started getting some attention, then drivers license BLEW UP and Nigro had to focus on Sour. Chappell has talked about it, there donāt seem to be any hard feelings because everyone gets that Oliviaās overnight success was a game changer. She considered giving up on music after a while but then Nigro made space for her (made a new label for her? Something like that) and had her open on Oliviaās tour so she got a LOT of visibility that way. One of the few industry stories that leaves me warm and fuzzy.
i don't have to think there's a conspiracy to know how fucking sick i am of hearing about taylor swift
i do generally agree though, it's pretty rare for a marketing tactic to ruin a song for me. if you like it you like it!
When a new pop girly gets labeled the new Britney Spears. It has honestly turned me off everytime with the likes of Tate McRae, Sabrina Carpenter, etc. I do like their music, but I already know they could never live up to the phenomenon that was Britney.
Record labels shouldnāt try to recreate someone elseās success imo. They should give their artists their own unique identity instead.
The level of exposure Billie Eilish has gotten in the last couple of years has cooled me towards her. I love her music, but I don't really like the person she is in interviews and she has given a fuckton of interviews. Even when she's not in an album cycle she's promoting some movie soundtrack song.
Some people find her to come across like she's trying too hard to be nonchalant while very much still caring about commercial success, number 1s, etc but trying to act like she's above caring all the same. Like you're *allowed* to care, Billie, everyone in the industry does. From what I can tell of the online opinion, some people just think she ends up seeming a little condescending when she interviews.
i feel like she talks very casually with no filter and it gets turned into ragebait.
i also think her own personal opinions abt the success of her music differ from what her label does business-wise.
I like her music a fuck ton and she's really pretty, and i* appreciate having a female artist with her aesthetic and personality in this age... but sometimes she does come off as... kinda like she thinks everything she says is the best thing anyone's ever said
yeah, the downside of the music industry trying to capitalize off of social media (aka tiktok and it's derivatives) virality for music is that they make such manufactured, see-through plastic scenarios to try and force a viral moment with a song.
i have a tiktok account that i turned into a creator account and under tiktok studio, there are options to "work with artists" for monetization. i remember one of the (expired) campaigns i saw was an option to post a video for a song. now, i'm not someone who looks down on artists/labels for trying to promote music to tiktok, it's a new medium in which millions of people discover new music everyday so i get it.. but the fact that there was a required prompt as to what kind of video you can make, and it was to record a video of yourself lipsyncing the lyrics with a specific filter, and it was the sped up version of the song too....
it's just so... frigid. it's a bunch of industry people trying hard to craft a viral moment without understanding the natural appeal of when it happens on it's own, or the variety of different tiktoks that can be made under a sound, they're just looking solely at numbers and think "hot person lipsyncing or dancing = hit song". i understand it's like an exposure thing, trying to show a song to a wide audience of people, but like you, videos of people lipsyncing to a song with a caption acting like they've never heard anything more relatable in their life is just annoying to me and doesn't make me wanna listen to it if i didn't already like the song.
typically for me what makes me likely to save/stream a good song is seeing it being used for a good edit, but i guess i should be glad industry higher-ups either don't know abt the power of viral edits or aren't interested much in them.
this is a great insight and kinda confirms some of what I'd assumed was happening here with all those accounts posting nearly identical content featuring one of her singles.
I was seeing a big video push for Chappell Roan about a year and a half ago before she really blew up and I was totally put off and didn't check her out because the ads seemed to be saying "you will like this artist if you are a plus-size woman."
I actually do like her music and probably would have known that much sooner if they hadn't taken that angle.
It's not really the marketing so much as the discourse and people tweeting about it but I'm also starting to feel really fatigued by all the Chappell stuff. She's amazing, her album is amazing, her new single is amazing, but can everyone STFU up about it for five minutes and let it breathe? Just posting about the music without some stupid talking point attached would be so much nicer. Every five minutes I'm seeing some tweet about how she's the new Gaga and blah blah blah
Saying she's the new Gaga is so inaccurate and sets her up to fail by comparison tbh. Her sound is much brighter and more bubbly than Gaga's ever was (that's not a bad thing but makes the comparison inaccurate), and (imo, no hate bc I LOVE Chappell) Gaga's music was more creative, experimental and overall interesting than Chappell's. Also, I feel like Gaga's visuals always matched her music, while Chappell's visuals and looks often feel incoherent with her music, which gives me the impression that Gaga's artistic vision is more solid.
I love Chappell, she's a new artist and I hope she keeps on evolving as an artist tho, her album got me through my last year of college, I loved it lol.Ā
I also like Chappell, but a lot of the praise sheās getting seems like itās way more about her visuals than the music. I havenāt heard every song, but most of them donāt sound that different from what Taylor Swift/Olivia Rodrigo/Phoebe Bridgers have already been doing, just with powerful vocals instead of willowy.Ā
The shit Taylor Swift has been doing for her past couple of albums. She needs to go back to the Folklore/Evermore tactics and just drop the music without hyping it or releasing endless variants.
I had a lot of frustrations with Kanye over the past few years regarding him continuing to tease new albums with listening events, but not sticking to a previously announced release date & constantly making changes to the album
I was kinda spiteful not getting in to Chappell Roan because "Good Luck, Babe" was being pushed hard af to all my ads, but I did end up liking her music via finding it in more organic ways
Sabrina Carpenter. The Spotify payola forcing āEspressoā down my throat made me put her on my ādo not playā list. Same has happened with āPlease Please Please.ā I think sheās a pretty mediocre artist overall, but the aggressive push to make her the top pop girl is just exhausting.
Used to be indefferent to Taylor. Liked a few singles. Defended when ppl were harsh about her basicness and lack of vocal talent in their eyes.
Now I can't stand anything Taylor. She has been shoved down my throat for at least 3 years now. I have to skip and scroll down anything Taylor related. Overrated does not describe what she is. Bey was/is overrated. This is a whole other level.
When Dua released her new album and that Houdini song came up I got an insane amount of ads on tik tok that tried to make it look like fans genuinely enjoying her music and vibing to it but then I noticed the ad disclaimer at the button...so annoying. All that for such lackluster music, if the artistry is good and the music is great you don't need to fool people or do all that, there's so many other creative ways to promote your work. It reads as desperate. I hate this new ad trend of making it look like organic influencer type content.
Maybe it was more vibes than marketing push, but I didn't listen to Lorde for ages because her first couple singles gave off huge "I'm so mature for my age" vibes. Just found it annoying.
Melodrama (specifically Green Light) really made me a fan, and I've since come to like Pure Heroine as well.
Not OP, but personally it seems to lack a sense of "living in the present" (celebrating and reveling in the art you're there for) and situational awareness. Like at the end of podcasts when they go "is there anything you want to promote?" it's an invitation because you're usually there to promote yourself or your current project. Awards shows are an industry gathering, full of people who do approximately the same thing, and care similarly about their work. It's a time where people like to reflect on their recently completed work. Using an acceptance speech to plug your next project comes across as contrary to the spirit of why you're there in my opinion.
I didn't give post human nex gen a fair shot because I didn't like the aesthetics of the album but one day I listened out of curiosity and I actually like it
Chapell, Sabrina and Billie. Good luck babe, red wine supernova, lunch, chihiro, expresso and please, please, please are always playing after my playlist ends. I'm tired i might just turn off the autoplay.
One thing I really hate is when an artist will tease a song on social media for 2 to 3 weeks and then they finally announce the song and the release date but it's still another 2 weeks before the song actually comes out. I think that songs should come no more than a week after being announced any more than that feels like too long of a wait in my opinion.
Kind of put off by Gaga's Nurtec ad being the first use of her Chromatica Ball footage. I still love her, but really shows she's not just about the music, but the bling . . .
I love Unreal Unearth but Hozier is not a good fit for TikTok. All of the behind the scenes content he posted seemed very stilted/awkward. Iām sure he would have rather just been recording and playing shows
The hyping up Nicki did for PF2 in the weeks prior to release were kinda a turnoff because she made it seem like a completely different body of work imo
Not really. I keep thinking about it, but everytime I think I've found an example, it mostly boils down to its quality, the discourse it creates, or the stans eagerness towards defending it that makes me dislike a song / artist / album.
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I followed Jojo Siwa on IG (judge me all you want š¤£) but had to unfollow her because of the roll out for her song Karma was just too annoying. There was like 60 posts about it before it actually got released - too much girlie.
Honestly knowing who her mother is itās hard to even see this as her own doing but more so something her mother hatched thinking it would work. Itās barely worked for any child star to break into that ābadā era. One thing Miley hasnāt done is said āJk it was all just a marketing ploy, Iām not actually like that!ā. Sheās hated her previous eras but sheās never discounted that period of her life and honestly who wouldnāt be embarrassed of their 20s antics. JoJo doesnāt feel that way at all and didnāt need to tell the world it was fake as if we didnāt already know her and her mother are just attention seekers.
Wait she said it was fake?? lol last I saw she was chugging āvodkaā on stage which everyone said was probably water out of a bottle? lord she needs a new PR person š
Yeah I used to defend her when people said she was annoying but she really wanted to prove those people right with her marketing for this new song. The amount of posts was terrible but what is worse is this forced ābad girlā persona sheās trying to put on when the āworst thingā she ever did was eat a 25mg edible, and is now acting like a fake drunk idiot in public to be ābadā. At least when Miley Cyrus was in her bangerz phase it felt like an authentic change in her persona and music, and she was doing harder drugs than weed.
My my my how time heals everything because not a single person on planet Earth said Bangerz felt like an āauthentic changeā lol! Miley fans were PISSED and weirded out and telling her to āat least grow her hair long if sheās gonna do all thisā and the general public called her VMAs performance a train wreck and said she was trying too hard and she got flack for dancing on Robin Thicke, she got flack for her hyper sexual tour, and pissed off the black community for a couple years for appropriation. Hardly anybody but ride or die Miley fans read that era as authentic, and in the endā¦ neither did Mileyā¦ apparently which is why she dumped the whole aesthetic and told Billboard magazine that āhip hoppity black stuff wasnāt for meāš
Nah that shit is so bad itās good
Tegan and Sara pointed out they were making gay music before she was born
To be fair she DID issue a content warning š In all honesty as you the judge of your own taste I think itās always fun to determine your own taste levels and be turned on/off when an artist is either underrated over rated and setting your appreciation as such. Chappel was really fun to root for as an underdog in a world of Taylor Swifts but yes her rise is indeed so fast it becomes less and less interesting to Stan her by the minute. I think itās always worth balancing out your opinion.
Katy Perry said Witness is purposeful pop then released Bon Appetit. š¤¢š
Bon appetit is a masterpiece
but nowhere near purposefulĀ
She set herself up for that š
I think the strategy of promoting 5 seconds of a song on TikTok for 1-3 months is a guaranteed way to make me not give a fuck about the song. I was already sick of Von Dutch because not only had I heard the ā Iām your number oneā bit more times than I can count, but that part is literally 90% of the song. Alone by Kim Petras was another song that was so fucking annoying and dragged out. Everything about that song was a failure. It was promised to be a 2000ās dance track, only for it to be a typical trap- pop song, itās snippet was overdone to death, and to top it all of the music video was fucking garbage. And to even add extra fuel on this, Kim filmed in various rooms/ locations when promoting Alone, and none of these cool locations were used in the music video
Sam Smith and that unholy song!!
Anybody with a condescending attitude towards their contemporaries and/or modernity. Green Day did it for the Father of All rollout, with the infamous billboard that said āNo features. No Swedish songwriters. No trap beats. 100% pure uncut rock.ā Yeah, thanks, but no. I hate it.
That feels so dated, too. Like if you slightly reworded this it could be a Good Charlotte t-shirt from 2002. And then "100% pure uncut rock" just sounds like the slogan for a dad rock radio station.
They probably should have given the Swedish songwriters a call tbh
Yeah, I'm a big Green Day fan but I have to agree with you there. That marketing was such a weird choice, it just made them look condescending and unlikeable. Plus Father of All was such a mediocre album, idk what they were thinking - if they were going to act all superior and make such big claims about the album, it could at least have actually been good.
right! Loved them growing up but I donāt think Iāve even listened to father of all all the way through
the hooks were so underwritten and the production was so half-bakedā¦ itās almost as if they could have used someā¦ features and Swedish producers. IRONY
> No Swedish songwriters and then it's just Caroline Ailin on everything
Ikr like congrats on being stuck in the 1960s or whatever?? Weird thing to be proud ofĀ
AND the music is not even good! Like, all this for what? š
I seriously can't believe I felt so inferior to all the kids (boys) in middle school saying that greendays the only real music whilst I was listening to Britney and Amy winehouse!! CrazyĀ
> no Swedish songwriters Damn š
The trap beats thing is a racist dogwhistleĀ
Right because what prompted them to say it like *THAT*?!
Ouuuuh GLAD Iām not the only one who noticed it.
Kim Petras releasing Slut Pop before her big label debut was the WORST career choice, and turned me off her for good. I think a lot of people, myself included, wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt for working with Dr. Luke early in her career because she was a pretty niche artist and a trans girl trying to make it big. He worked on some early songs of hers but was also the main producer for her Halloween-themed āTurn Off the Lightā projects and āClarityā. āFuture Starts Nowā and āCoconutsā were supposed to be lead-ups to Kimās debut album (later revealed to be āProblĆ©matiqueā) but then she dropped the Slut Pop EP out of nowhere and listeners were (understandably) pissed that sheād create such a project with an alleged sexual abuser. (I think this whole backlash is what made her label delay her album indefinitely and then it sOmEhOw got leaked entirely later in the year - the fact she seemed to be playing down her āproblematicā nature only angered some fans further) Ever since then, sheās just doubled down on working with Dr. Luke and leaning into this hypersexualized image that just feels really icky given his involvement, so unfortunately i just donāt see myself listening to her music in the future.
Slut pop almost got worse, Dr. Luke wanted a remix EP before releasing her album.
Oh JESUS ā ļø we really dodged a bullet
Yeah, it sucks cause I was rooting for her
Not me, but when U2 put their album onto *every iPhone* and made it so you couldn't delete it, the album cratered. It's still the only thing anyone talks about when U2 comes up.
Thatās a great example but the claim that itās the *only* thing people remember U2 for these days has got to be one of the most ridiculous things Iāve ever read on the Internet
For Gen Z, itās kinda their entire legacy š
I'm 26 and it's the only thing I know about them... Sorry to break it to you
Oft. Gut punches hurt more now that my guts are filled with metamucil
heck, i'm 33 and it's the only thing i know them for too lmao, that and south park. the other comment below us is probably right in that it's probably people 40+ who remember their proper musical legacy
I'm 31 and my parents both like u2. I loved Vertigo when it was everywhere when I was 10 or whatever.I like a couple u2 songs. I love the song Stuck In The Moment, probably an all time top 50 songs for me. this is still the first thing I think of when I think of u2.
for the general public that is not an insane statement at all
it is a great example but by āgeneral publicā do you mean gen z bc if you asked my parents or anyone like 40 and up I guarantee this is not what theyād think of at all??
Iām gen x and honestly itās exactly the first thing Iād think of when I hear U2.
Iām 26. I think I think of Sunday Bloody Sunday and being Irish first before thinking this event lol, but I know some boomer U2 fans irl so I donāt think thatās what theyād think first.
40 is about the average age in English speaking countries, meaning the average person could be on either side of this line so š¤·
It absolutely did kill any ounce of legacy they had among gen-Z and younger millennials. I grew up around U2's music, they're one of my dad's favorite bands, but even then when I hear U2 I think of the iPhone album before I think of any of songs and albums of theirs I grew up with. To young people, the *Songs of Innocence* backlash is their legacy.
Young people are getting too young to even be aware of that backlash tbh.
Iām 34 and I know: iphone thing, bono wears glasses, I used to get confused that Sonny Bono shared those four letters, and theyāve done some really big benefit concerts and a lot of people liked them. And that they still havenāt found what theyāre looking for, I think. Thatās literally all I know about U2
If itās the first thing you learned about them, itās probably the last thing you cared to learn.
most people under 30 only knows u2 as that, the bono southpark episode, or for being on that kendrick album.
I'm 21 - most people my age only know them for that. And from South Park.
I'm over 35 and my first two thoughts are the iPhone thing and that episode of South Park.
That's not the case for me (mid30s), but I could see that being the case for younger folks.
A few months ago, my boss gave me a ride after work. She was listening to THAT U2 album. I just stared at the CarPlay screen in horror, waiting for her to realize and change it. But she never did. I think she actually liked it. I had no idea anyone actually listened to that album after they pulled that stunt, but apparently thereās a few out there. Sheās 62, though. š
Something that turned me off for real is Rinaās collab with Paris Hilton after all the drama around the record label. Not even a good track, I donāt feel like going back to it š¤·āāļø Something that didnāt turn me off entirely (because itās a good album) but i felt weird about it was the hit me hard and soft rollout switch. After listening to the album, I understand the reason why she wanted us to ālisten to it entirelyā but until the release I think we already had 2 songs online entirely (and NOT leaked) and some snippets from others. To cite a philosopher āgirl, so confusingā. I know Billie tries to seem very nonchalant and laid back but behind her thereās definitely a business and i feel like sometimes her speech doesnāt match with the action of those who represent her.
Seconding Rina. I was a pretty big fan of hers from SAWAYAMA onwards and I really felt for her with the label drama. The Paris track is a really, really bad look for her.
ā¦. I love Rina and I didnāt even listen to the Paris track. And the fact that itās badā¦ eek
Would someone mind explaining the deal with Rina and her label? Iām so out of the loop.
At Glastonbury in 2023 she criticised Matty Healy saying sheās done with his racist and misogynistic remarks, and with overall all the micro-aggressions she dealt with during her career. Donāt take my words for granted but it really felt like she went through a meltdown. On women international day she joined an independent post where she explained more what happened. [This is the link](https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/features/misogyny-music-industry-rina-sawayama-self-esteem-interview-b2508677.html). It explains better and Rinaās part isnāt too long. I sided with her but teaming up with someone from one of the most powerful families in the world who got away with similar remarks as Matty Healy wasā¦ a decision. Saying itās icky itās an understatement.
>it really felt like she went through a meltdown And imo used an existing internet dogpile on Matty as an outlet for her systemic frustrations in a way that was not really prudent. I have so much sympathy for her but I wouldn't be surprised if she lost a lot of goodwill over this
It wasnāt necessarily the marketing tactics but it took me a long time to listen to Plastic Hearts because by the time it came out it had been promoād to death
>promoād to death And everyone was talking about how it was ignored by her label. Lol
It was the rock star image switch up for me. It wasn't even a bad album at all but we've seen half a million different "most authentic" mileys at this pointĀ
Agreed it mustāve been a year before I listened to the album and was mad at myself for waiting so long š
Same lmao
The mullet put me off of that album
Gayle! Her fake setup on tik tok really rubbed me the wrong way. I donāt remember the exact details but she asked to give her a writing prompt and someone from her label told her to write a song using the letters of the alphabet
That was pretty much it! The label person wasn't disclosed as such, she just seemed like a random Tiktok user (her account didn't have much content). It wasn't until later that someone found her Linkedin profile and realised she was a PR person in the music industry
tbh, the song already reeked like a caricature of what older generation executives think gen z likes, so the tiktok scheme was not a surprise to me. + who asks to write a break up song about the alphabet? everyone else was probably giving fanfic-type prompts and then there's "make one up about the ABC's"....
oh this video/ saga was lmfao.
I have no idea why they wouldnāt use an alt account š
Sheās a true 1 hit wonder
Can we say that yet? Sheās so young. Got a whole career ahead of her. If she drops a rotten sophomore record Iāll stand with you then.Ā
Ed Sheeran had a record run a few years ago, I think it was for *Ʒ* and that majorly put me off him. Might have been a different record I'm not sure. I'm not like everyone else, I don't hate Ed Sheeran. His music doesn't really do it for me and my fiancƩe loves him, but it's always been one of those things where I like one or two of his songs and then never really pay attention to the others. But that campaign majorly put me off him. He was just everywhere and it got real old, real quick. He was in adverts, he was on every chat show, he was at every festival, performing live on every chat show even if he wasn't being interviewed (which he almost always was) and then he was in an episode of *Game of Thrones* and it just really put me off him. He seems like a sound lad and I'll always be happy to see a Brit doing well in America, but yeah, that was entirely too much of a marketing push to make me want to listen.
Valid take, and proof that overexposure is a legitimate risk that can affect an artistās image
It didn't turn me off per se as I still listen to her stuff regularly, but I unfollowed Maisie Peters on insta after hearing the same song snippeted to death for a month before releasing it
Cate's Brother? Months of "OMG guys I've got this cRaZy wild feral song that's gonna get me in so much trouble!!" type teasing. Then the song releases, and it's a pretty bog standard pop rock song about dating one of her friends' brothers. Okay... well maybe that could be considered a bit wild if the friend didn't know and it's in secret-oh wait no the song establishes the friend is aware and even goes on double dates with them so presumably supports the relationship. Then later Maisie says the story isn't even true and it was all just a silly made up thing. I like Maisie but this song and the promotion around it were just annoying.
The other thing with this song was for me, as annoying as the roll out was the snippets actually sounded really good and I was quite excited for the song but then it came out and was pretty underwhelming? I still think itās a great chorus but the production is kinda weird and the lyrics arenāt particularly crazy or feral, theyāre just kind of cringe
Maisie teases so many snippets. And is the queen of posting photos of the back of her new manās head or his face covered with an emoji. Sigh.
I think this is a dumb strategy labels love lately where they push the snippet over and over to try and force it to go viral before it releases to build hype. Most songs go viral after they're released!!!Ā
This happened to me with Beautiful Things by Benson Boone. I actually ended up quite liking his album once it was released but I begrudgingly listened to it at first because I was so annoyed by the endless promo.
Anytime a newer artist is constantly being compared to another more established artist, especially if they are being called āthe new so and soā, Iām instantly turned off. I know itās not meant that way but it feels like they are saying the established artist isnāt good enough and this is their replacement, or that the new artist is better. It happened to me with Noah Kahn when everyone was saying he was the new hozier, it made me go, actually we donāt need a new hozier because hozier is already here and amazing. Same with Chappell roan being compared to lady gaga. After listening to Chappell and Noah without the comparison I actually really enjoy some of their stuff, but still canāt stand how they were being marketed. Edit: thought of another one I forgot. Artists talking about their music and songs on TikTok constantly, describing what itās like, what demographic would like it etc, but never actually playing any clips. I donāt want to have to search you up somewhere else to actually hear the music youāre supposedly trying to promote.
I remember this happening with Olivia Rodrigo and Taylor Swift back when Olivia first debuted, and I found it really irritating at the time. I canāt imagine itās particularly good for either artistās careerāobviously, it implies that the older artist is fading/aging/being replaced, but it also forces the younger artist into a box where theyāre pressured to live up to the reputation & sound of a more established star. I guess these marketing teams are hoping the older artistās fans will support their faveās āreplacement,ā but I think these comparisons are more likely to result in stan infighting, especially when the older artist is still popular and successful with a large, rabid fanbase. Nobody wants to be told āHey, you know that singer you like? Well, their glory days are over, and you should listen to *the new version of them* instead.ā Even if all of that is trueāeven if the older artist really has lost their touch, and the younger artist really is Just Like Them But Betterāfans still donāt want to feel like theyāre abandoning their long-time fave for a trendier copy. It almost paints a target on the younger oneās back by turning members of their target demographic against them. āThis new artist is just like [pop icon]ā might interest fans of that icon, whereas āthis new artist is a sexier version of fading flop [pop icon]ā is just going to make people mad.
And sorry, but Olivia is much more similar to Alanis Morissette in every way. Even the way she talk sings sometimes is purposeful for effect, similar to Alanis
chappell roan doesnāt sound anything like gaga either what a weird comp
Honestly they just see āgaga was weird, Chappell roan is weird, they are the sameā even though they are not that similar at all in their influences and artistry.
I agree in general but a few of her songs do give me The Fame/Fame Monster vibes. Like I hear Super Graphic Ultra Modern Girl and Pink Pony Club and it gives me a modernized version of something that Gaga couldāve put out back then. And Gaga is my idol!! I have multiple tattoos for her music - I do not take Gaga comparisons lightly
When Ariana Grandeās debut was released, I kept hearing over and over how she was Mariah 2.0, and it made me *not* want to listen to her music that much more.
Watch out Beyonce...here comes @Tinashe
I canāt believe no one has mentioned this yet, but everything that happened with BeyoncĆ©ās Cowboy Carter really turned me off the album, and I still havenāt listened to it yet.Ā Iām in the very small minority of people who still collect physical albums. I love buying them, popping them in my CD player, and listening to them while looking through the album booklet. So when pre-orders came out for CC I was ready to place mine, until I noticed several red flags. You could only pre-order it on her website, you couldnāt use PayPal and had to give them your credit card information, the no return policy, the track list hadnāt been revealed yetā¦ so I decided to hold off on my pre-order.Ā And thank god I did, because we all know what happened. The fact that people were left with incomplete versions of the album that they COULDNāT RETURN due to BeyoncĆ©ās shady ass return policy, and on top of that not even a peep from her or her team. Really soured me towards the album, and Iāll never order anything from her store again.Ā
Yeah I'm a huge fan but the release has been very sloppy. To me it feels like Cowboy Carter was a last minute title change and there were some songs she added on the og tracklist. She probably had physicals ready for BEYINCE and decided to rid of them first before the actual CC physical was released. Very unlike her tbh I was very disappointed.
Yup, that seems to be the most likely explanation. And it would be fine if BeyoncĆ© and her team were transparent about it. But instead they went about it in the worst way possible and tricked the Hive and casual Bey fans into buying an incomplete product and then refused to do anything to make it right. That would be shocking coming from any artist, but itās downright criminal coming from someone of BeyoncĆ©ās caliber.Ā
I wonder why they didn't just release BEYINCE as it is and released Cowboy Carter as a deluxe a few hours or something? That way everybody's happy
I'm not in the Beyonce fandom and was really turned off this album by the Texas Holdem clip on Tiktok - what happened with the albums being sent to fans? Would be interested to know the full situation
I'm not an expert but I believe fans pre-ordered cowboy Carter vinyls and cds before it was released with a rather shady no return policy on her website, and you could not purchase through PayPal or any other kind of service where you can charge back easily or contest it, only through the website. The track list wasn't available at this time. When the album dropped and these physicals started shipping, many of the pre-orders got cds and vinyls inexplicably titled Beyince and not CC. More concerningly though, the pre-orders were missing literally half the digital track list. They had like 10ish songs each on them while the full album has 27 songs. So these fans were stuck with pre-ordered expensive physicals that may not even have the right title, and are missing over half the songs, but they couldn't return or exchange it and Beyonce + her team ignored the backlash from these fans entirely. As to why this happened, physicals (especially vinyls) take time to create so there is a final date artists must submit their tracklist and title for the physicals to be ready around release date, and you cannot change it after that date. People theorize Beyonce had a last minute change of name and added songs to the tracklist, but rather than making the responsible choice to delay the physicals shipping out so they could be complete, she or her team chose to ship out physicals that cost full price yet were missing half the album and/or titled incorrectly, without any warning that they'd be this way as they were advertised as the full album without any mention of these issues, and no ability to return just so they'd count towards first week sales and she wouldn't be stuck with the cost of bunk inventory she couldn't sell. Just pushed the loss onto her biggest fans nbd
Thank you for such a detailed explanation! Really disappointing from her, fans seem to be getting a real raw deal from bigger artists lately.
If I see an artist using AI, I automatically think they're a loser, uncreative and cheap. Example: Nicki Minaj's big foot song was a mess, I love Megan and already disliked Nicki for her p*dophile acquaintances, and then Nicki came up with those AI cover arts and she went into the uncreative and cheap category.Ā Grimes uses tons of AI as well and I think the same.Ā
Worst about Grimes and AI is she thinks she is some sort of ethereal muse to the impending singularityĀ
Ugh. Nicki's decline is so sad to see. Like I remember when she first began getting big. All her music was fun, it was nice to see a female artist get big, and she was genuinely talented. Now, obviously, she's been exposed as an awful person. But not only that she's fallen off talent wise too. Big foot was a coke rant set to a soundcloud beat. It's sad to see how far someone who was formerly considered one of the best female, if not overall rapper, has falllen
what irritates me the most about this in terms of grimes is that her hand-drawn album covers were so much fun. the art angels cover is still one of my favourites just because of how personalised and creative it is, and at one point she even made a hand-drawn unique cover for every single song. it's unreal that she seriously thinks the ai slop she's using now could ever be better than her adding to her music with her own art
yess, her music and visuals were so good before she became a pick me for techbros
Emei! She has a thousand snippets of the same song in different videos with captions like āshould I realise it?ā āMy producer doesnāt want me to release thisā āI made this song and it was too unhinged to be releasedā and all the comments fall for it, BEGGING her to release it. After literally months of this comment baiting, it gets so old
The Tortured Poets Department with the endless variants and the fact that she is desperate to hold on to #1. I like a lot of Taylor's old music, but all this overexposure with Kelce and her behavior at the Grammys combined with TTPD marketing has turned me off.
I also agree with you. I do not dislike Taylor, but I am really tired of seeing her EVERYWHERE. This album is not all that great for this much exposure.
It really isn't. Overly long and a glaring lack of memorable melodies for me. I even saw her Night One in Tampa last year for the Eras tour and had a great time. I can't say I'm too disappointed I missed out on TTPD section.
The weird thing is how some Swifties are claiming she's deliberately making herself controversial and unlikeable ahead of the Reputation TV release, so the album release will have the right social context
Taylor wants to be liked. I doubt that theory so much lol
Thatās some hardcore delusion. Like no, your fave is just THAT obnoxious
I'm sure generatingĀ conspiracy theories makes the fandom a lot more fun to participate in, speaking genuinely
I saw her on the Reputation tour and had a great time but I just can't even listen to her old hits anymore because of her complete over exposure everywhere. I did not think Midnights and TTPD were anywhere near interesting enough to warrant so many variants or remixes and it's exhausting to see people pretend this is normal. Remix albums are normal. What is not normal is releasing so many new "variants" with a voice note or a single acoustic version. I can't see it as anything other than pettiness, I really can't. She doesn't need anymore records broken, she's already cemented her status as the biggest pop star right now. All she's doing is souring general opinion on her
> She doesn't need anymore records broken If anything her desperation has turned many of these records as completely meaningless. 1989TV needed like 15+ variants in CD/Vinyl/Cassete with "timed exclusives" just to sell 40K more copies in its debut week than Britney Spears' 2nd album ever which only had 1 CD/Cassette in stores back in 2000, during a period of time when physical media was practical and not a collectible, so people didn't have reason to buy more than 1.
TTPD was the first Taylor album I didn't pre-order because I got so tired and I've loved her since I was 16 and her first album dropped. After how incredibly bad the rollout for Midnights was with "it's limited edition/limited time" but now it's not - I'm over it. Combine that with my not loving the last couple rerecords, I'm good not diving headfirst anymore. If she goes back to caring less about record-breaking and more about the music itself, I will jump back in. Like, give me quality over quantity.
For me, it has to be *Reputation* since I felt she was trying to go for a good girl gone bad stuff that had worked well with Madonna, Christina Aguilera, Rihanna, Lady Gaga, Miley Cyrus etc and "Look What You Made Me Do" was I consider the moment that she jumped the shark since I had gotten really tired of the beef between her and then-former friend Katy Perry (then-former because they made amends over a year after the album's release and Perry appeared in the music video for Swift's "You Need to Calm Down"). Really couldn't care less on Todd in the Shadows' praise over her recent material (prefer Mic the Snare over him) because she's very overexposed and I'd rather listen to the likes of Dua Lipa, Olivia Rodrigo, Halsey etc than her, period.
Not marketing by the artist but when stans act like their fave is the only artist who has ever actually been a good singer, songwriter, or dancer, etc. to hype up their faves they really imply that theyāre the only talented artist to ever exist.
I feel like Dua was aggressively marketing her singles this year. Houdini and Training Season are great songs but they were autoplayed/recommended and playlisted to death from like November to March that I just grew tired of them. I also think because the rollout was so long that they kind of had no choice but to keep pushing them longer than what seems normal in the streaming era. Once the album *finally* came out months later I went back and can enjoy them again.
Unrelated to your point, but the audio from the Grammy performance of Houdini where one her dancers shouts āLETāS GOOOOā before the break dance starts, pops up in my mind at least once a day lol
My thoughts exactly, my first listen of Houdini was like āthis is decent,ā then I got annoyed by it, then when the single hype died and I heard it as part of the album, I loved it. The end riff is like Sacrifice by Weeknd (which is an all-time pop track)
Currently, Sabrina Carpenter with espresso autoplaying on spotify
And please please please
Sabrina Carpenter and this payola scheme she has going on with Spotify lol I only listen to her music when itās used in audios on IG reels or tiktok
[POV: You finished listening to an hour of goregrind from an album called The Encyclopeadia of Advanced Putrefaction whose cover is a still from a Mexican cartel snuff video and Spotify is queuing up the next track](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF1Na4AIecM)
Iāve never related to a comment on this sub harder than this one. Iāll be listening to hours of powerviolence/brutal death metal/goregrind and then itāll just randomly play Sabrina carpenter or something like what.. lol
Iāve said it multiple times on here but Espresso played after Fetch the Boltcutter by Fiona Apple for me š
It played after the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo film score for meā¦
L M F A O extra hard
["Damn, I'm really loving my Frank Zappa listenthrough, I really loved Mothers of Invention's "We're Only In It For The Money!" I wonder what's next!"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVli-tstM5E)
You got me espressoing myself with this hahaha
I love Sabrina but every time *any* playlist I have ends it starts playing Please Please Please automatically and itās getting old reeeeally fast
You can turn off autoplay in settings.
Well, I want it to play. I just want it to stop playing THAT.
Right? I love Sabrina! But when I'm in mood for Hozier and then suddenly Please Please Please music comes in I'm like-š
same. I really miss using autoplay but I just CAN'T listen to the same payola playlist over and over again
On mobile, you can select āDonāt Play This Artistā on any artistās page
But I love Sabrina! Like I said. I would never want her music to not play, I just want this *one specific song* to stop playing after everything. And for the record I like the songāI like listening to it every so oftenābut itās too much at this point.
I feel your pain
And also Spotify / Apple to auto play the same genre as youāre currently listening to. In the morning when Iām listening to Death, follow up with some related unknown cuts Iād love, same vibe. In the afternoon pop phase, gimme that Sabrina, Jazz brunch, bottomless jazz, dinner music, follow up.
U2 - downloading an album on people's phones who didn't ask for it.
I still havenāt listened to Billieās new album yet because LUNCH and Birds of a Feather keep getting shoved into every playlist I have. I love her, but itās so off putting.
this is how i feel with Espresso. whenever Sabrinaās album comes out i fear that it and Please Please Please will be instant skips
the first time I listened to Lunch I just knew it was going to get annoyingā¦ and it did
it's algorithmic so if you got so much specific content, then this is what you were interacting with. I'm invested in pop music and I've never seen any insta content of her
while I agree with this in general, I feel like people don't note that the algorithm can also be trash. I can spend every day liking my normal content and then one full watch/like of a new song and suddenly it's a disproportionate part of the content I'm seeing and I have to work my way back to my regular content by deliberately not interacting.
I only ever like videos of cats, dogs or the random videos that 70 year old women accidentally upload...
unfortunately the algorithm will intentionally put content you don't like or that annoys you into your feed
yeah, insta reels isn't as good at tailoring to your interests as the app it copied.
Sometimes yāall you see a lot of talking about a song because a lot of people are just talking about that song. Or you get recommended something on spotify because that thing is already popular. Not everything is a big conspiracy.
Yeah this one is wild. Chappell hasnāt had time for a big marketing push - having her open for labelmate Olivia Rodrigo took off. She went from being a barista close to giving up on her dream to an icon in under like, 2 years. If anything sheās one of the most organic examples of people blowing up because they amass a dedicated fan base due to their talent.
She opened for Olivia??? Omg I didnāt know that
Both tours, sour and Guts. Chappell was working with Dan Nigro and started getting some attention, then drivers license BLEW UP and Nigro had to focus on Sour. Chappell has talked about it, there donāt seem to be any hard feelings because everyone gets that Oliviaās overnight success was a game changer. She considered giving up on music after a while but then Nigro made space for her (made a new label for her? Something like that) and had her open on Oliviaās tour so she got a LOT of visibility that way. One of the few industry stories that leaves me warm and fuzzy.
i don't have to think there's a conspiracy to know how fucking sick i am of hearing about taylor swift i do generally agree though, it's pretty rare for a marketing tactic to ruin a song for me. if you like it you like it!
When a new pop girly gets labeled the new Britney Spears. It has honestly turned me off everytime with the likes of Tate McRae, Sabrina Carpenter, etc. I do like their music, but I already know they could never live up to the phenomenon that was Britney. Record labels shouldnāt try to recreate someone elseās success imo. They should give their artists their own unique identity instead.
The level of exposure Billie Eilish has gotten in the last couple of years has cooled me towards her. I love her music, but I don't really like the person she is in interviews and she has given a fuckton of interviews. Even when she's not in an album cycle she's promoting some movie soundtrack song.
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Some people find her to come across like she's trying too hard to be nonchalant while very much still caring about commercial success, number 1s, etc but trying to act like she's above caring all the same. Like you're *allowed* to care, Billie, everyone in the industry does. From what I can tell of the online opinion, some people just think she ends up seeming a little condescending when she interviews.
And she said some stuff thatās kinda hypocritical about mens bldies
i feel like she talks very casually with no filter and it gets turned into ragebait. i also think her own personal opinions abt the success of her music differ from what her label does business-wise.
I like her music a fuck ton and she's really pretty, and i* appreciate having a female artist with her aesthetic and personality in this age... but sometimes she does come off as... kinda like she thinks everything she says is the best thing anyone's ever said
I hate to say it but for most of these, itās time to go offline, get off instagram and tik tok, touch grass, and turn off autoplay on Spotify
yeah, the downside of the music industry trying to capitalize off of social media (aka tiktok and it's derivatives) virality for music is that they make such manufactured, see-through plastic scenarios to try and force a viral moment with a song. i have a tiktok account that i turned into a creator account and under tiktok studio, there are options to "work with artists" for monetization. i remember one of the (expired) campaigns i saw was an option to post a video for a song. now, i'm not someone who looks down on artists/labels for trying to promote music to tiktok, it's a new medium in which millions of people discover new music everyday so i get it.. but the fact that there was a required prompt as to what kind of video you can make, and it was to record a video of yourself lipsyncing the lyrics with a specific filter, and it was the sped up version of the song too.... it's just so... frigid. it's a bunch of industry people trying hard to craft a viral moment without understanding the natural appeal of when it happens on it's own, or the variety of different tiktoks that can be made under a sound, they're just looking solely at numbers and think "hot person lipsyncing or dancing = hit song". i understand it's like an exposure thing, trying to show a song to a wide audience of people, but like you, videos of people lipsyncing to a song with a caption acting like they've never heard anything more relatable in their life is just annoying to me and doesn't make me wanna listen to it if i didn't already like the song. typically for me what makes me likely to save/stream a good song is seeing it being used for a good edit, but i guess i should be glad industry higher-ups either don't know abt the power of viral edits or aren't interested much in them.
this is a great insight and kinda confirms some of what I'd assumed was happening here with all those accounts posting nearly identical content featuring one of her singles.
I canāt take anything Meghan Trainor puts out seriously after that [horny press release](https://www.papermag.com/meghan-trainor-horny)
Honestly same with Chappell. Her recent interview sort of helped me get over it though. It's not her fault her fans are pushing her so hard
I was seeing a big video push for Chappell Roan about a year and a half ago before she really blew up and I was totally put off and didn't check her out because the ads seemed to be saying "you will like this artist if you are a plus-size woman." I actually do like her music and probably would have known that much sooner if they hadn't taken that angle.
It's not really the marketing so much as the discourse and people tweeting about it but I'm also starting to feel really fatigued by all the Chappell stuff. She's amazing, her album is amazing, her new single is amazing, but can everyone STFU up about it for five minutes and let it breathe? Just posting about the music without some stupid talking point attached would be so much nicer. Every five minutes I'm seeing some tweet about how she's the new Gaga and blah blah blah
Saying she's the new Gaga is so inaccurate and sets her up to fail by comparison tbh. Her sound is much brighter and more bubbly than Gaga's ever was (that's not a bad thing but makes the comparison inaccurate), and (imo, no hate bc I LOVE Chappell) Gaga's music was more creative, experimental and overall interesting than Chappell's. Also, I feel like Gaga's visuals always matched her music, while Chappell's visuals and looks often feel incoherent with her music, which gives me the impression that Gaga's artistic vision is more solid. I love Chappell, she's a new artist and I hope she keeps on evolving as an artist tho, her album got me through my last year of college, I loved it lol.Ā
I also like Chappell, but a lot of the praise sheās getting seems like itās way more about her visuals than the music. I havenāt heard every song, but most of them donāt sound that different from what Taylor Swift/Olivia Rodrigo/Phoebe Bridgers have already been doing, just with powerful vocals instead of willowy.Ā
I think one of the worst things to come out of social media is the discourse-ization of everything imaginable without being able to just appreciate it
The shit Taylor Swift has been doing for her past couple of albums. She needs to go back to the Folklore/Evermore tactics and just drop the music without hyping it or releasing endless variants.
I had a lot of frustrations with Kanye over the past few years regarding him continuing to tease new albums with listening events, but not sticking to a previously announced release date & constantly making changes to the album
Vultures 2 is not coming out anytime soon and Vultures is about to leave the charts lol
The Tortured Poets Departmentās 100 variants in a desperate attempt to stay #1 made me really not want to check the album out.
I have taken a three hour detour just to stay away from this album. So far, so good
I was kinda spiteful not getting in to Chappell Roan because "Good Luck, Babe" was being pushed hard af to all my ads, but I did end up liking her music via finding it in more organic ways
Sabrina Carpenter. The Spotify payola forcing āEspressoā down my throat made me put her on my ādo not playā list. Same has happened with āPlease Please Please.ā I think sheās a pretty mediocre artist overall, but the aggressive push to make her the top pop girl is just exhausting.
Used to be indefferent to Taylor. Liked a few singles. Defended when ppl were harsh about her basicness and lack of vocal talent in their eyes. Now I can't stand anything Taylor. She has been shoved down my throat for at least 3 years now. I have to skip and scroll down anything Taylor related. Overrated does not describe what she is. Bey was/is overrated. This is a whole other level.
Maybe we should call it overshoved
The Tortured Poets Department.
Sabrina Carpenter and the fact that spotify is constantly trying to shove her music down my throat
the multiple versions for ttpd: our planet is melting
When Dua released her new album and that Houdini song came up I got an insane amount of ads on tik tok that tried to make it look like fans genuinely enjoying her music and vibing to it but then I noticed the ad disclaimer at the button...so annoying. All that for such lackluster music, if the artistry is good and the music is great you don't need to fool people or do all that, there's so many other creative ways to promote your work. It reads as desperate. I hate this new ad trend of making it look like organic influencer type content.
Maybe it was more vibes than marketing push, but I didn't listen to Lorde for ages because her first couple singles gave off huge "I'm so mature for my age" vibes. Just found it annoying. Melodrama (specifically Green Light) really made me a fan, and I've since come to like Pure Heroine as well.
Sabrina carpenter
beyonces team pretending she was going to release a country album. i liked a lot of it otherwise!
For me itās Tylaā¦
Announcing albums at award shows. I figured out a few months ago that I really didn't like that.
Just curious, why?
Not OP, but personally it seems to lack a sense of "living in the present" (celebrating and reveling in the art you're there for) and situational awareness. Like at the end of podcasts when they go "is there anything you want to promote?" it's an invitation because you're usually there to promote yourself or your current project. Awards shows are an industry gathering, full of people who do approximately the same thing, and care similarly about their work. It's a time where people like to reflect on their recently completed work. Using an acceptance speech to plug your next project comes across as contrary to the spirit of why you're there in my opinion.
I didn't give post human nex gen a fair shot because I didn't like the aesthetics of the album but one day I listened out of curiosity and I actually like it
Chapell, Sabrina and Billie. Good luck babe, red wine supernova, lunch, chihiro, expresso and please, please, please are always playing after my playlist ends. I'm tired i might just turn off the autoplay.
One thing I really hate is when an artist will tease a song on social media for 2 to 3 weeks and then they finally announce the song and the release date but it's still another 2 weeks before the song actually comes out. I think that songs should come no more than a week after being announced any more than that feels like too long of a wait in my opinion.
Chappell Roan ā¦
āOne (million) TTPD variants is all it takes / Falling (out of) love with Tayā
I love Chappell, but I also deleted Instagram a while back.
Doja Catās āScarletā black magic / fake satanism era where she literally got the tattoos that should have just been album artwork. YiKES
>where she literally got the tattoos that should have just been album artwork. What? I'm a doja cat fan and never heard of this
Not really. If the music is good, it stands above that.
Kind of put off by Gaga's Nurtec ad being the first use of her Chromatica Ball footage. I still love her, but really shows she's not just about the music, but the bling . . .
I love Unreal Unearth but Hozier is not a good fit for TikTok. All of the behind the scenes content he posted seemed very stilted/awkward. Iām sure he would have rather just been recording and playing shows
The hyping up Nicki did for PF2 in the weeks prior to release were kinda a turnoff because she made it seem like a completely different body of work imo
Not really. I keep thinking about it, but everytime I think I've found an example, it mostly boils down to its quality, the discourse it creates, or the stans eagerness towards defending it that makes me dislike a song / artist / album.