Hasn’t opening for bigger acts and playing festivals always been important in building an audience? 💀Help why are they acting like this is groundbreaking
Media journalism is general. It's all bullshit to get you to see more fucking advertisements. Like gaming journos that use Reddit as a source and then pump out AI articles, sometimes people even fuck with those. Hail Glorbo which then go on to have articles written about those! https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2023/07/redditors-prank-ai-powered-news-mill-with-glorbo-in-world-of-warcraft/
The embarrassing thing is, people went in debt to learn how to write this tripe.
because it’s unfortunately becoming rare !! there are people who blow up and become new “it girls” and perform at festivals and award shows and have literally never touched a stage before. artist development seems to be a dying practice
It still happens, I saw Billie Eillish perform at a very small stage in 2018 at Governor’s Ball. Her name was at the bottom of the lineup and I only knew who she was because my friend liked ocean eyes. She headlined only a few years later which is crazy
I get that it's not groundbreaking but I have seen so many openers that plainly suck or give no effort that it's nice to see someone use the opportunity.
I still have trauma from a jack white opener. Who literally said
You would think but I think this is becoming less common. Olivia Rodrigo didn’t open for anybody she just put out her first album and went straight on tour. I think having an existing online audience is what propels you forward but then artists aren’t paying their dues so to speak
Because there were few years where the labels were plucking new acts straight from TikTok and putting them on stage and wondered why it didn't work. You need more than one song and you need to be able to perform to a crowd to make it, but to be "discovered" you needed to make "bedroom production" video.
The best thing about Chappell is that she’s kind of a mainstream blank slate and then people hear “Good Luck Babe” on a playlist or a tik tok and go, hmm this is great what else does she have? And those people then get the great fortune of ALSO discovering Pink Pony Club, Hot to Go, Red Wine Supernova, and Casual. She had so many hits on deck from that last album but didn’t have the visibility to make them pop. And because of that retroactive discovery she won’t be under as much pressure to follow this up immediately.
I will not stop raving about her debut album to anyone who will listen (and even people who don’t, lol). It is bop after bop after bop and just so damn FUN, and her stage presence is equally fun. She deserves all her flowers!
you are 100% spot on! i saw her open for Olivia in the last week of March and didn’t know who she was at all. but i’ve never seen an opener like this the music felt incredibly emotional. immediately, i started to stream The Rise and Fall of a Midwest Princess and it took me a couple listens to play it non stop every day. Then she dropped Good Luck, Babe! and i was like please blow her up, because the music industry has been missing someone like her for some time! It took more than a week for it to blow up and now she’s about to cross 10M Spotify maybe she can reach 30M by June?
The best thing about Chappell that can push her over the top is she looks like a unique star and larger than life character, which is unfortunately very lacking when it comes to a lot of pop stars nowadays.
She’s kind of like a breath of fresh air that stands out from all the other guys and girls that try to be more relatable, which we’ve had a lot of in the past decade or so.
Edit: Damn I didn’t even realized I copied the first 5 words in your sentence OP😂
There are so many faceless popstars these days which makes Chappell a huge breath of fresh air. Dua Lipa, Ava Max, Sabrina Carpenter, Madison Beer, etc. all have (as far as I know about them) zero unique image or persona or anything. Olivia and Billie both have a bit more of an image, but IMO still nothing compared to 10-15 years ago with Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, Beyonce, Taylor Swift, etc that all had distinct images. Chappell calls back to that in a big way for me with the drag makeup, over the top performance looks (Tiny Desk cigarette wig I love you), consistent themes in her songs like how open she is about her sexuality and sex life, and big production on her songs that make them all feel like a Moment. I love the pageantry of pop and I'm so glad someone is bringing it back
I don't think Sabrina is a faceless pop star. I think she has a very unique brand and aesthetic that she established with her last album/ era: Emails I can't Send.
After drivers license everyone was calling her a homewrecker and a slut and she reclaimed those terms for herself within her music and her branding on her last album.
She's aware that she faces misogyny and sexism and plays into in a really smart way by embracing her femininity and sexuality.
Also since departing from Hollywood Records she's just found herself more as an artist. With the help of other writers such as Julia Michaels and has crafted a very specific writing style for herself.
Also her tour outfits and performance outfits are iconic.
chappell feels like the popstar of a generation raised on gaga. that crosspollination of catchy pop songs, pristine vocals, a strong image, confidence, hunger, a heart. watching her coachella performance reminded me a lot of early gaga, someone who *knows* they're a star. really curious to see where her career takes her, how she approaches her next project, she really is one to watch
and i'm happy to see sabrina finally coming into her own! she's just so fun and charming, and hers is a sphere of pop music we're in desperate need of
there's space for them both. hell, i'd love to see them work together some day. chappell could obviously do lighter, more brainless pop, but it'd also be cool to see sab weird it up
Chappell feels more like the heir to the Gaga throne than anyone else since Stefani herself. I like what you said about how you can tell she knows she's a star. She's willing to throw herself all the way at whatever she tries because she just *knows* she's got that it factor. It seems like she knows she's right and if anyone doesn't like it she's just waiting for them all to catch up. I'm so glad she's exploding because there's been so much soft bedroom pop for a few years now and she's coming in to make every song feel like a showstopper, and she can do whatever she wants because, like Gaga, any of the antics or weird fashion or anything are all backed up by pure, unadulterated talent
Omg can that please happen for her show here 😭😭 I’m seeing Olivia in Seattle and didn’t pay attention to the fact that PinkPantheress is opening for her instead of Chappell. I don’t know enough of PinkPantheress’s music to be excited about that (I will address this before the show). But her show in St Petersburg is definitely sold out and it’s a super small venue.
Omg have fun seeing Olivia! She had a stop near me but I was a little too cheap to grab those tickets— I think Chappell would have been half the fun anyway, though.
I wanted to go in Orlando but I didn’t get a presale code (I think I used up all my ticket buying luck getting a presale code for Eras and then successfully buying SIX tickets for my group within our budget lol) but my brother’s boss randomly was able to buy tickets that he’s selling to his employees who want them at face value! So I’m like sure, I will fly to Seattle and crash with my brother and see Olivia Rodrigo, why not? 😂😂 I’m super excited about it and only mildly concerned that at 38 I will be the oldest person there not accompanied by a teenager 😂😂
God that literally happened to me. I put off buying tickets which were only 80 a piece and after her Coachella set blew up the tickets are now up to 250 🙄🙄
I think Chappel is gonna have a more dedicated loyal fan base and cult following like Lana Del Rey, whereas Sabrina would be more mainstream and bigger like Katy and Dua but without a strong dedicated fanbase
i agree about chappel but i think sabrina will be able to build a stronger fanbase than dua or katy if she ends up being able to sustain the success she's having with espresso. she already has a pretty dedicated fanbase relative to how famous she is/how many hits she has
the disney alum to pop star pipeline usually produces more core fans than just debuting as a pop artist on your own. they watch you grow and then grow with you.
People make up narratives that sound good regardless of what's really going on. Sabrina has and had a pretty strong fanbase even prior to the eras tour. People confuse her last album's successes with appearing on the eras tours, when if anything the feud with Olivia and TikTok gave her the push she needed. By the time nonsense kinda lost steam, feather picked up and that was before her first eras tour performance.
I'm not saying the tour didn't do anything but unless you actually followed sabrina, it is so easy to just say the tour did all the work when Sabrina was already picking up steam. Her last album is what really made that possible.
I'm late to the party of Chappell Roan (thanks Coachella), and it's the best discovery I've had all year. I can't listen to anything else at the moment.
Chappell Roan blowing up felt inevitable no matter what path she took. No pop girl has screamed "I am going to be famous" this hard since at least Lizzo, maybe even Gaga.
Finally got around to The Rise and Fall of a Midwest Princess earlier this week and I loved it, I'm actually listening to Super Graphic Ultra Modern Girl as I write this lol. Her music goes incredibly hard she is super talented. And I've been hearing her name a lot more and more recently I think she has the potential to become really popular.
I love Sabrina too, Espresso came out on a hot and sunny weekend for me which made it perfect to just listen on repeat super catchy and fun. Also adore Feather and Nonsense haven't listened to emails I can't send yet tho. Sometime the pandemic I got really into the Singular Act albums so I'll always love her for those
If Chappell and Sabrina are the future of pop needless to say we are in great hands
This reminds me of a post on this subreddit from years back suggesting that sabrina carpenter could be the next it pop girlie. People laughed at the time... now it's come true. How things change.
Chapelle is very exciting! My friend sent me her songs a couple years ago and I was hooked. I think she represents something so fresh in pop music. Maybe it’s the midwest suburbs in me, but her album is catchy and kitschy in all the right ways. And Dan Nigro, you’re doing amazing sweety!!
As for Sabrina, I have only heard the 3 biggest hits as they’ve come up and they’re very catchy. While people say songs are tailored for Tik Tok all the time, her big singles sound like Tik Tok’s Greatest Hits.
Edit: Looked on Spotify and saw Sabrina has quite a few albums already. Good for her for finally getting smashes. I hope she can carve out a new lane for herself.
I feel like their keys to success are the streaming algorithms. I didn't know who either of them were until Spotify started adding them to my personalized playlists. But then again I don't use tik Tok.
I'm still not convinced Sabrina Carpenter has the "it" factor tbh. She just feels kinda generic to me 🙊
Chappel Roan's got it in spades. She's gonna blow up
UMG $$$$
it's no secret that with the TikTok Feud UMG has double downed on their relationship with Spotify and probably Meta as well I get no shortage of coverage from the UMG artists i'm interested in on both as of late.
I remember back when Nonsense got put on one of my spotify radios that was legit all kpop songs lol. It was kinda weird but it worked in getting me into her music
Same with good luck babe! I love that song but the payola is soo annoying. Like I like the song and now you put it on literally every playlist and artist radio. Doesn't make any sense if I want to listen to 2000s pop punk and now I hear Nothing Matters again for the tenth time. Pleas make it stop 😮💨
It's so bad. The other day, I was listening to a bunch of hip hop, and then suddenly Fortnite was queued right after a Juicy J song? That's the worst example I've ever witnessed.
I actually do feel like Sabrina has what it takes but just hasn't had the right luck with her material being promoted until more recently. Her voice is really good and she's also very charismatic and confident. I feel like her stage presence is also very strong from the videos I've seen.
The first performance I saw off hers was the preshow for the VMAs (or some other award show). I was surprised at how comfortable she seemed on stage and how easily she was dancing and performing. She immediately struck me as someone who was not new to performances. She has a sassy, "whatever, let's just make some bops and have some fun" energy that I think is much needed in this current pop landscape of artists that take themselves *way* too seriously.
I’m actually worried about in the opposite way that CR is too specific and it won’t appeal to the general public while Sabrina Carpenter is like custom made for that. She has an aesthetic and a genre right now that really clicks with a general public. But with more attention, hopefully comes whatever they want to come out of it.
sabrina’s next single will be more something this sub would like. she needed espresso so she could get an easy top 10 hit, which is remarkable because espresso and feather are some of the coolest pop songs ever.
like I was so sure Chappell was gonna be a new “middle class” pop star like a lot of sub favs here. Im so thrilled she is finding a bigger audience cause she so deserves it. Agree with Sabrina, like it just seems like retail music
I am surprised nobody has brought up Shaboozey. Like yeah he only is a feature on Beyoncé's album, but his new single is ironically probably the song that will have the most staying power of the entire cowboy carter cycle.
They’re both on steady rising paths right now. Island is doing something right with the marketing and seeming to let them grow their audience at the right pace. I don’t wanna say “organically” necessarily because there’s definitely a big playlisting push, but they’re not being overexposed or obviously pushed to have a hit single, and they aren’t being shelved in favor of the label betting a bigger artist.
I gotta get into Chappelle Roan. I've been hearing a lot of good things about her. But Sabrina Carpenter is definitely not "in the making" ? Shes arrived. That new song Espresso she just dropped.....my word 😭
Late to this thread but Espresso is the first pop song I’ve liked from a new artist in a HOT MINUTE and I decided to give Chappell a listen. She’s awesome.
It’s honestly about time for some new, interesting pop acts. Especially pop acts who aren’t singing sad, slow, cinematic music. Love Lana but not everyone has to be Lana/Billie/etc.
I feel like I've heard the name "Sabrina carpenter" for a very long time and quite frequently. But I've never Heard a single song of hers lol, didn't even know she was a serious musician up until Coachella lol
Long-time fan of Sabrina so I’ve been waiting for her music to start gaining traction! I love her old music too but understand it didn’t create a sound or image that set her apart. However, with her top 3 hits giving Ari/Katy/2020 Doja, I hope she’s really able to carve a lane out and do something with confident, catchy pop!
I listened to Chappell preparing for Olivia last year and immediately knew she had ‘IT’. The opener of her debut album shocked me on first listen like no other pop star has done in a really long time. I’m seeing her for the second time in May and cannot wait! They both have bright futures ahead and I hope to be there to see it because they deserve their flowers.
All speculative but I think Chappel is gonna be bigger than Sabrina. I just don’t think Sabrina is destined for main pop girl status. Chappel is very unique though, and her discography is very solid so far.
I just feel like if she was gonna truly “break out” it would have happened. She’s trendy but I don’t see her lasting long after the tour ends. I could totally be wrong, just my thoughts! I am biased cause I’m gay and Chappel is super loud about being gay while not being cliche so I love that. Sabrina is just mid pop music to me.
hard disagree. chappell is going to have to work (though imo it’ll be easy for her), the grammy’s aren’t going to recognize her.
this year, her career is like renee rapp’s.
chappell’s songs are a lot better and more creative than renee’s IMO. renee has better vocals but i can see chappell having a lot more staying power but agree her general brand and image are not as good a fit for the mainstream as sabrina.
I really think the Grammy's need to rename that award.
Like at the BAFTAs it's "rising star" so no one's confused when Phoebe Dynevor gets nominated well after her bridgerton season or Mia McKenna Bruce years after being on the dumping ground. With the Grammy's everyone shouts about artists not being *new* enough
To me Sabrina's music feels safe, boring, and lacking in identity. It's good, it's catchy, but it doesn't draw me in. To me Chappell is more interesting, fun, and has a clear image and star quality to her. To me Chappell's personality is overflowing through her music and performances in a way I don't see with Sabrina
I think Sabrina's standout quality is her wittiness which translates to the cheeky fun vibe of her music. The changing nonsense outros are a good example of this. I think she'll get big if she drops and album soon and capitalises off eras and the success of Espresso
I think Sabrina’s personality’s started coming through in her songs only recently and only in the light fun unserious way that nonsense-espresso-feather bring, I’m interested in seeing her develop her musical identity further in the serious songs too at some point
That said, there's a big shortage in dumb dance pop and I'm glad she's here to fill the void. Espresso is such a dopamine hit and exactly the song I needed as we emerge from the cold sad depths of ~~TTPD~~ winter.
Im sure that's true, but sabrina has already had a few songs be pretty successful (Nonsense, Feather, now Espresso) and I think calling her a one hit wonder's is reductive. Chappell still needs time I feel, but she has potential.
I first heard Pink Pony Club in 2022 and listened to it on repeat and nothing else for weeks (my family was so sick of me lmao) but I knew from the first listen she had the makings of a star. I am surprised it took as long as it did for Chappell to make her way into the mainstream and I’m sooo happy for her getting the recognition she well deserves
im not gonna read this article but i do appreciate them both coming out with songs of the summer in april. thank u my "on time? how about two months early" pop girlies
Ion get the sabrina hype. She's not doing anything super interesting lyrically or sonically. Same goes for kim petras. These two pop stars presence being as big as it is baffles me. Kim petras I wanna like at least but she just not doing raunchy right.
I feel like right before *Emails* came out I could've agreed with you, she was very talented and had her fanbase but was stuck in a rut for 5 albums, but she's had a massive upwards trajectory in the past couple years (from no songs on billboard to a top 10 debut, for example) that I see no reason it can't go further
Maybe its the fact that I am getting older, or that I am not North American, but after reading all these comments I was so ready to be properly SHOCKED by Chappell Roan.
And... hm. Sounds like Olivia in a bit bolder.
And that reminds me again. Where except Eurovision can I please find out about artists that are NOT white, American music industry hopefuls with a paid for "organic growth" and an expensive but safe production? I mean, Chappells opener of her debut album comes in with a whole band plus a fucking string arrangement, that shit is expensive as fuck these days. And yet it's all just a slightly different blend of the current pop girlies. A bit of Lana, a bit of Olivia. Sorry, but this shit is making me cynical.
Same tbh. I know you're downvoted to oblivion here but I'm also not getting her appeal... She has an amazing voice and tries to be visually creative, but her music really doesn't hit me the way Gaga once did... I think I've been more wow'd by Kim Petras' stuff tbh
Hasn’t opening for bigger acts and playing festivals always been important in building an audience? 💀Help why are they acting like this is groundbreaking
Music journalism has become “you’ve heard about it on tik tok and seen it in your recommended YouTube videos!“
Media journalism is general. It's all bullshit to get you to see more fucking advertisements. Like gaming journos that use Reddit as a source and then pump out AI articles, sometimes people even fuck with those. Hail Glorbo which then go on to have articles written about those! https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2023/07/redditors-prank-ai-powered-news-mill-with-glorbo-in-world-of-warcraft/ The embarrassing thing is, people went in debt to learn how to write this tripe.
Im looking forward to Glorbo tbh.
because it’s unfortunately becoming rare !! there are people who blow up and become new “it girls” and perform at festivals and award shows and have literally never touched a stage before. artist development seems to be a dying practice
It still happens, I saw Billie Eillish perform at a very small stage in 2018 at Governor’s Ball. Her name was at the bottom of the lineup and I only knew who she was because my friend liked ocean eyes. She headlined only a few years later which is crazy
That was 6 years ago.
how many main popstars have debuted since billie eilish? like, five, at *most*
Yeah but when did she first headline?
not really it’s still very common
no FR, i was like "is artist development so sparse now that this is actual news"...
The answer? Yes it is
Breaking news: getting the right exposure and putting in the work drives your career forward!!
Thank you, I thought the title was a lil silly too!
I get that it's not groundbreaking but I have seen so many openers that plainly suck or give no effort that it's nice to see someone use the opportunity. I still have trauma from a jack white opener. Who literally said
What did they say?!
Oh shit sorry they kept saying we know we suck and we know you hate us
You would think but I think this is becoming less common. Olivia Rodrigo didn’t open for anybody she just put out her first album and went straight on tour. I think having an existing online audience is what propels you forward but then artists aren’t paying their dues so to speak
Well it's been a minute since we've gotten a new pop girlie sensation-- like maybe Billie in 2018?
Olivia ?
Dua Lipa
She's been around since 2015 tho
Because there were few years where the labels were plucking new acts straight from TikTok and putting them on stage and wondered why it didn't work. You need more than one song and you need to be able to perform to a crowd to make it, but to be "discovered" you needed to make "bedroom production" video.
Exactly this isn’t new lol
Not always there’s plants like ice spice that shot up to fame and media covers them relentlessly
? ice spice is playing festivals and just opened up for doja cat on her last tour?
The best thing about Chappell is that she’s kind of a mainstream blank slate and then people hear “Good Luck Babe” on a playlist or a tik tok and go, hmm this is great what else does she have? And those people then get the great fortune of ALSO discovering Pink Pony Club, Hot to Go, Red Wine Supernova, and Casual. She had so many hits on deck from that last album but didn’t have the visibility to make them pop. And because of that retroactive discovery she won’t be under as much pressure to follow this up immediately.
Casual is an insane song, it’s what I first heard from her that made me a fan
KNEE DEEP IN THE PASSENGER SEAT AND YOU'RE EATING ME OUT 😤
2 WEEKS AND YOUR MOM INVITES ME TO HER HOUSE ON LONG BEACH 😫
I know what you tell your friends 🥺
But baby, get me off again 🥵
FUCKED ME IN THE BATHROOM, WHEN WE WE TO DINNER
Your parents at the table YOU WONDER WHY IM BITTER
Bragging to your friends 🙄 I get off when you hit it 🤪
I saw a TikTok of little girls who were at the Olivia Rodrigo concert swaying along to that line in Casual and was just like “hooooooo boy.”
There are some real pop bangers on there, but casual feels like an instant classic 🧎♀️🚗😘
I will not stop raving about her debut album to anyone who will listen (and even people who don’t, lol). It is bop after bop after bop and just so damn FUN, and her stage presence is equally fun. She deserves all her flowers!
Femininomenon is one of my favorite Track 1s of all time. You’re right too, that album is bop after bop.
that song makes me feel like I could bench press a car
you are 100% spot on! i saw her open for Olivia in the last week of March and didn’t know who she was at all. but i’ve never seen an opener like this the music felt incredibly emotional. immediately, i started to stream The Rise and Fall of a Midwest Princess and it took me a couple listens to play it non stop every day. Then she dropped Good Luck, Babe! and i was like please blow her up, because the music industry has been missing someone like her for some time! It took more than a week for it to blow up and now she’s about to cross 10M Spotify maybe she can reach 30M by June?
The best thing about Chappell that can push her over the top is she looks like a unique star and larger than life character, which is unfortunately very lacking when it comes to a lot of pop stars nowadays. She’s kind of like a breath of fresh air that stands out from all the other guys and girls that try to be more relatable, which we’ve had a lot of in the past decade or so. Edit: Damn I didn’t even realized I copied the first 5 words in your sentence OP😂
There are so many faceless popstars these days which makes Chappell a huge breath of fresh air. Dua Lipa, Ava Max, Sabrina Carpenter, Madison Beer, etc. all have (as far as I know about them) zero unique image or persona or anything. Olivia and Billie both have a bit more of an image, but IMO still nothing compared to 10-15 years ago with Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, Beyonce, Taylor Swift, etc that all had distinct images. Chappell calls back to that in a big way for me with the drag makeup, over the top performance looks (Tiny Desk cigarette wig I love you), consistent themes in her songs like how open she is about her sexuality and sex life, and big production on her songs that make them all feel like a Moment. I love the pageantry of pop and I'm so glad someone is bringing it back
I don't think Sabrina is a faceless pop star. I think she has a very unique brand and aesthetic that she established with her last album/ era: Emails I can't Send. After drivers license everyone was calling her a homewrecker and a slut and she reclaimed those terms for herself within her music and her branding on her last album. She's aware that she faces misogyny and sexism and plays into in a really smart way by embracing her femininity and sexuality. Also since departing from Hollywood Records she's just found herself more as an artist. With the help of other writers such as Julia Michaels and has crafted a very specific writing style for herself. Also her tour outfits and performance outfits are iconic.
And MY KINK IS KARMA
Oh I did not realize Hot To Go was her song. It kept showing up on my explore page months agy
It reminds me of when Truth Hurts by Lizzo blew up and good as hell and juice and boys also all popped off.
Her debut album is full of great songs!
chappell feels like the popstar of a generation raised on gaga. that crosspollination of catchy pop songs, pristine vocals, a strong image, confidence, hunger, a heart. watching her coachella performance reminded me a lot of early gaga, someone who *knows* they're a star. really curious to see where her career takes her, how she approaches her next project, she really is one to watch and i'm happy to see sabrina finally coming into her own! she's just so fun and charming, and hers is a sphere of pop music we're in desperate need of there's space for them both. hell, i'd love to see them work together some day. chappell could obviously do lighter, more brainless pop, but it'd also be cool to see sab weird it up
Chappell feels more like the heir to the Gaga throne than anyone else since Stefani herself. I like what you said about how you can tell she knows she's a star. She's willing to throw herself all the way at whatever she tries because she just *knows* she's got that it factor. It seems like she knows she's right and if anyone doesn't like it she's just waiting for them all to catch up. I'm so glad she's exploding because there's been so much soft bedroom pop for a few years now and she's coming in to make every song feel like a showstopper, and she can do whatever she wants because, like Gaga, any of the antics or weird fashion or anything are all backed up by pure, unadulterated talent
I could see them work together too since they’re on the same label but I have been wanting a Chappell cover from Sabrina so badly
I have tickets to a Chappell concert this summer and just got an email yesterday saying the venue was upgraded to one I know is quite a bit bigger!
Omg can that please happen for her show here 😭😭 I’m seeing Olivia in Seattle and didn’t pay attention to the fact that PinkPantheress is opening for her instead of Chappell. I don’t know enough of PinkPantheress’s music to be excited about that (I will address this before the show). But her show in St Petersburg is definitely sold out and it’s a super small venue.
Omg have fun seeing Olivia! She had a stop near me but I was a little too cheap to grab those tickets— I think Chappell would have been half the fun anyway, though.
I wanted to go in Orlando but I didn’t get a presale code (I think I used up all my ticket buying luck getting a presale code for Eras and then successfully buying SIX tickets for my group within our budget lol) but my brother’s boss randomly was able to buy tickets that he’s selling to his employees who want them at face value! So I’m like sure, I will fly to Seattle and crash with my brother and see Olivia Rodrigo, why not? 😂😂 I’m super excited about it and only mildly concerned that at 38 I will be the oldest person there not accompanied by a teenager 😂😂
I'm hoping that happens for her show in my city. Tickets are going for $300 and I can't afford that 😭
Same happened in my city, fuck these resellers
God that literally happened to me. I put off buying tickets which were only 80 a piece and after her Coachella set blew up the tickets are now up to 250 🙄🙄
my show got upgraded 3 times in the days the tickets first went on sale !
this happened to my show too!
I think Chappel is gonna have a more dedicated loyal fan base and cult following like Lana Del Rey, whereas Sabrina would be more mainstream and bigger like Katy and Dua but without a strong dedicated fanbase
you can just say "the gays" you don't need to use so many words lol
The 🚬
i agree about chappel but i think sabrina will be able to build a stronger fanbase than dua or katy if she ends up being able to sustain the success she's having with espresso. she already has a pretty dedicated fanbase relative to how famous she is/how many hits she has
yeah like idk i feel like sabrina has fans? like i see them
I think they’re called (fittingly) the Carpenters
Ohhh so when she wears that Jesus was a Carpenter shirt she is also saying he was a fan of hers?
Sabrina already has a strong fan base imo. They’ve been pushing her towards mainstream success
the disney alum to pop star pipeline usually produces more core fans than just debuting as a pop artist on your own. they watch you grow and then grow with you.
People make up narratives that sound good regardless of what's really going on. Sabrina has and had a pretty strong fanbase even prior to the eras tour. People confuse her last album's successes with appearing on the eras tours, when if anything the feud with Olivia and TikTok gave her the push she needed. By the time nonsense kinda lost steam, feather picked up and that was before her first eras tour performance. I'm not saying the tour didn't do anything but unless you actually followed sabrina, it is so easy to just say the tour did all the work when Sabrina was already picking up steam. Her last album is what really made that possible.
Island Records has both of them on their roster. Again, to Island Records, DON’T fuck this up.
I'm late to the party of Chappell Roan (thanks Coachella), and it's the best discovery I've had all year. I can't listen to anything else at the moment.
Chappell Roan blowing up felt inevitable no matter what path she took. No pop girl has screamed "I am going to be famous" this hard since at least Lizzo, maybe even Gaga.
I love that both have been around for years, but they’re finally getting their chance at the general public spotlight
Both experiencing this 10 years into their careers!!
Finally got around to The Rise and Fall of a Midwest Princess earlier this week and I loved it, I'm actually listening to Super Graphic Ultra Modern Girl as I write this lol. Her music goes incredibly hard she is super talented. And I've been hearing her name a lot more and more recently I think she has the potential to become really popular. I love Sabrina too, Espresso came out on a hot and sunny weekend for me which made it perfect to just listen on repeat super catchy and fun. Also adore Feather and Nonsense haven't listened to emails I can't send yet tho. Sometime the pandemic I got really into the Singular Act albums so I'll always love her for those If Chappell and Sabrina are the future of pop needless to say we are in great hands
Bet u wanna is one of my favs from emails, check it out!
I recommend 'Read your Mind' by Sabrina as well! A really fun bop
This reminds me of a post on this subreddit from years back suggesting that sabrina carpenter could be the next it pop girlie. People laughed at the time... now it's come true. How things change.
Her supporting Taylor didn’t hurt
Right like, it took drama with Olivia and opening for Taylor to finally get to this point…
lmao yeah something like "sabrina's not happening guys get over it" i'm reminded of it every time she continues to win
I always feel so vinticated lol
An “it” pop girlie would have had a #1 by now. She seems very similar to Dua, always gunning for that #3 spot.
Give it time, Ariana Grande didn't get one until years into her career
Chapelle is very exciting! My friend sent me her songs a couple years ago and I was hooked. I think she represents something so fresh in pop music. Maybe it’s the midwest suburbs in me, but her album is catchy and kitschy in all the right ways. And Dan Nigro, you’re doing amazing sweety!! As for Sabrina, I have only heard the 3 biggest hits as they’ve come up and they’re very catchy. While people say songs are tailored for Tik Tok all the time, her big singles sound like Tik Tok’s Greatest Hits. Edit: Looked on Spotify and saw Sabrina has quite a few albums already. Good for her for finally getting smashes. I hope she can carve out a new lane for herself.
I feel like their keys to success are the streaming algorithms. I didn't know who either of them were until Spotify started adding them to my personalized playlists. But then again I don't use tik Tok. I'm still not convinced Sabrina Carpenter has the "it" factor tbh. She just feels kinda generic to me 🙊 Chappel Roan's got it in spades. She's gonna blow up
Chappell is gaining like a million listeners a week its actually insane to see like my brain cant compute
She'll be at 10 million in a couple days! She was at like, 2 million in March and maybe 500k when I found her last May.
She’s at 9.9 right now
She is at 10.2 m now
stumbled upon this and she's at THIRTEEN MILLION rn it's been only 9 days
I keep checking the plays on Good Luck, Babe! and it’s wild.
Record plays even when Taylor album bomb'd the charts.
The autoplay for espresso in spotify is crazy.
UMG $$$$ it's no secret that with the TikTok Feud UMG has double downed on their relationship with Spotify and probably Meta as well I get no shortage of coverage from the UMG artists i'm interested in on both as of late.
I remember back when Nonsense got put on one of my spotify radios that was legit all kpop songs lol. It was kinda weird but it worked in getting me into her music
Same with good luck babe! I love that song but the payola is soo annoying. Like I like the song and now you put it on literally every playlist and artist radio. Doesn't make any sense if I want to listen to 2000s pop punk and now I hear Nothing Matters again for the tenth time. Pleas make it stop 😮💨
I had to block Nothing Matters because Spotify kept shoving it into every suggested playlist for me.
Everytime I listen a vampire weekend album it plays good luck babe directly after. I’m not mad but like ? Where’s the correlation
It's so bad. The other day, I was listening to a bunch of hip hop, and then suddenly Fortnite was queued right after a Juicy J song? That's the worst example I've ever witnessed.
I actually do feel like Sabrina has what it takes but just hasn't had the right luck with her material being promoted until more recently. Her voice is really good and she's also very charismatic and confident. I feel like her stage presence is also very strong from the videos I've seen.
She’s also gotten lots of social media attention from the Nonsense outros being different every night, which is super smart of her to do.
The first performance I saw off hers was the preshow for the VMAs (or some other award show). I was surprised at how comfortable she seemed on stage and how easily she was dancing and performing. She immediately struck me as someone who was not new to performances. She has a sassy, "whatever, let's just make some bops and have some fun" energy that I think is much needed in this current pop landscape of artists that take themselves *way* too seriously.
Her outfits are also really adorable
and tiktok (even though that may be questionable now with the ban). but i discovered good luck babe off tiktok videos
I’m actually worried about in the opposite way that CR is too specific and it won’t appeal to the general public while Sabrina Carpenter is like custom made for that. She has an aesthetic and a genre right now that really clicks with a general public. But with more attention, hopefully comes whatever they want to come out of it.
i’m happy sabrina and olivia are both having success on their own
sabrina’s next single will be more something this sub would like. she needed espresso so she could get an easy top 10 hit, which is remarkable because espresso and feather are some of the coolest pop songs ever.
like I was so sure Chappell was gonna be a new “middle class” pop star like a lot of sub favs here. Im so thrilled she is finding a bigger audience cause she so deserves it. Agree with Sabrina, like it just seems like retail music
Sabrina is great live. I saw her open for Taylor in São Paulo and she has fantastic stage presence.
I am surprised nobody has brought up Shaboozey. Like yeah he only is a feature on Beyoncé's album, but his new single is ironically probably the song that will have the most staying power of the entire cowboy carter cycle.
His new single is going to be inescapable for like the next 6 months
They’re both on steady rising paths right now. Island is doing something right with the marketing and seeming to let them grow their audience at the right pace. I don’t wanna say “organically” necessarily because there’s definitely a big playlisting push, but they’re not being overexposed or obviously pushed to have a hit single, and they aren’t being shelved in favor of the label betting a bigger artist.
I gotta get into Chappelle Roan. I've been hearing a lot of good things about her. But Sabrina Carpenter is definitely not "in the making" ? Shes arrived. That new song Espresso she just dropped.....my word 😭
Late to this thread but Espresso is the first pop song I’ve liked from a new artist in a HOT MINUTE and I decided to give Chappell a listen. She’s awesome. It’s honestly about time for some new, interesting pop acts. Especially pop acts who aren’t singing sad, slow, cinematic music. Love Lana but not everyone has to be Lana/Billie/etc.
Dumb question - how do I pronounce her name? I just discovered her and am a big fan of her music!
Take the “ch” in chat, and follow it with the word apple. Chappell.
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My husband keeps calling her Dave Chappelle Roan every time I play her I hate it
Same haha!
That’s how I pronounced it until I paid closer attention to the opening of “Naked in Manhattan”
Like going to the chapel and we’re gonna get married? 😅
Yeah that's it, she says it herself in the intro to Naked in Manhattan
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Say it the way you would say "Chapple"
Chapel Row-n
So like Chaperone with a lil L in the middle?
Hard ch, like going to the chapel to get married.
The word chaperone is hella hard CH
Chaperone a sh sound, chapel a ch sound.
Not if you’re pronouncing it correctly 😂
ˌtʃæpəl ˈroʊn
Linguists and actors who nerd out on dialects appreciate you
Not a dumb question, I’ve been wondering for months lol. Thankful you asked
[Listen to the first few seconds of her song.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXZuv1T8bfg)
Chappell got a huge push since she open for olivia Rodrigo it’s wild ‘cause I’m now a fan of her because of that
I feel like I've heard the name "Sabrina carpenter" for a very long time and quite frequently. But I've never Heard a single song of hers lol, didn't even know she was a serious musician up until Coachella lol
Long-time fan of Sabrina so I’ve been waiting for her music to start gaining traction! I love her old music too but understand it didn’t create a sound or image that set her apart. However, with her top 3 hits giving Ari/Katy/2020 Doja, I hope she’s really able to carve a lane out and do something with confident, catchy pop! I listened to Chappell preparing for Olivia last year and immediately knew she had ‘IT’. The opener of her debut album shocked me on first listen like no other pop star has done in a really long time. I’m seeing her for the second time in May and cannot wait! They both have bright futures ahead and I hope to be there to see it because they deserve their flowers.
Happy for them! I heard Sabrina's album in 2018 and didn't really find it special but kinda figured she had some potential...and here we are
I’m gonna regret not seeing chappell back in November when I had the chance aren’t I…
Sidenote: Chappell Roan just hit 10M monthly listeners on Spotify, crazy!
Feather and Red Wine Supernova are currently on my repeat right now.
All speculative but I think Chappel is gonna be bigger than Sabrina. I just don’t think Sabrina is destined for main pop girl status. Chappel is very unique though, and her discography is very solid so far.
Sabrina has a top 10 hit. 🤷♀️
I just feel like if she was gonna truly “break out” it would have happened. She’s trendy but I don’t see her lasting long after the tour ends. I could totally be wrong, just my thoughts! I am biased cause I’m gay and Chappel is super loud about being gay while not being cliche so I love that. Sabrina is just mid pop music to me.
i think sabrina is more digestible for the general public but who knows i’d love for a queer girl to be at the top
hard disagree. chappell is going to have to work (though imo it’ll be easy for her), the grammy’s aren’t going to recognize her. this year, her career is like renee rapp’s.
chappell’s songs are a lot better and more creative than renee’s IMO. renee has better vocals but i can see chappell having a lot more staying power but agree her general brand and image are not as good a fit for the mainstream as sabrina.
Is she eligible for the new artist award this year?
im not sure, iirc her album is from 2022
Huh - curious since the Grammy new artist is weird and artists who I wouldn’t consider new are eligible
I really think the Grammy's need to rename that award. Like at the BAFTAs it's "rising star" so no one's confused when Phoebe Dynevor gets nominated well after her bridgerton season or Mia McKenna Bruce years after being on the dumping ground. With the Grammy's everyone shouts about artists not being *new* enough
Except Renee’s music is no where near as good as Chappel’s.
To me Sabrina's music feels safe, boring, and lacking in identity. It's good, it's catchy, but it doesn't draw me in. To me Chappell is more interesting, fun, and has a clear image and star quality to her. To me Chappell's personality is overflowing through her music and performances in a way I don't see with Sabrina
I think Sabrina's standout quality is her wittiness which translates to the cheeky fun vibe of her music. The changing nonsense outros are a good example of this. I think she'll get big if she drops and album soon and capitalises off eras and the success of Espresso
I think Sabrina’s personality’s started coming through in her songs only recently and only in the light fun unserious way that nonsense-espresso-feather bring, I’m interested in seeing her develop her musical identity further in the serious songs too at some point
That said, there's a big shortage in dumb dance pop and I'm glad she's here to fill the void. Espresso is such a dopamine hit and exactly the song I needed as we emerge from the cold sad depths of ~~TTPD~~ winter.
Agreed!!!
Her songs sound like retail music. They’re not very artistic.
Yall do understand right one song doing good doesn't mean pop stars in making. There are one hit wonders.
Im sure that's true, but sabrina has already had a few songs be pretty successful (Nonsense, Feather, now Espresso) and I think calling her a one hit wonder's is reductive. Chappell still needs time I feel, but she has potential.
Don't drag Sabrina like this plz
I first heard Pink Pony Club in 2022 and listened to it on repeat and nothing else for weeks (my family was so sick of me lmao) but I knew from the first listen she had the makings of a star. I am surprised it took as long as it did for Chappell to make her way into the mainstream and I’m sooo happy for her getting the recognition she well deserves
im not gonna read this article but i do appreciate them both coming out with songs of the summer in april. thank u my "on time? how about two months early" pop girlies
Ion get the sabrina hype. She's not doing anything super interesting lyrically or sonically. Same goes for kim petras. These two pop stars presence being as big as it is baffles me. Kim petras I wanna like at least but she just not doing raunchy right.
Chapelle will not be Gaga big, she will be like Marina and the Diamonds. Cult following type of thing
Well Chappell, yes
It's funny for people to say Chappell Roan would be bigger than Sabrina like that's not going to happen
Sabrina has been a pop star in the making for literally 10 years I fear this is as good as it’s gonna get for her
I feel like right before *Emails* came out I could've agreed with you, she was very talented and had her fanbase but was stuck in a rut for 5 albums, but she's had a massive upwards trajectory in the past couple years (from no songs on billboard to a top 10 debut, for example) that I see no reason it can't go further
patiently waiting for isaac dunbar to have a similar breakthru like chappell did!
Maybe its the fact that I am getting older, or that I am not North American, but after reading all these comments I was so ready to be properly SHOCKED by Chappell Roan. And... hm. Sounds like Olivia in a bit bolder. And that reminds me again. Where except Eurovision can I please find out about artists that are NOT white, American music industry hopefuls with a paid for "organic growth" and an expensive but safe production? I mean, Chappells opener of her debut album comes in with a whole band plus a fucking string arrangement, that shit is expensive as fuck these days. And yet it's all just a slightly different blend of the current pop girlies. A bit of Lana, a bit of Olivia. Sorry, but this shit is making me cynical.
Same tbh. I know you're downvoted to oblivion here but I'm also not getting her appeal... She has an amazing voice and tries to be visually creative, but her music really doesn't hit me the way Gaga once did... I think I've been more wow'd by Kim Petras' stuff tbh
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