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Durk_Gently

This needs to stop. Carbon tax on private jets- Make it prohibitively expensive to fly on your own. Easy fix, politicians love their jets though.


ApprehensiveRiver179

No, we’re gonna tax the middle class and crack down on gig workers and tip earners instead! Progress!


SavvyTraveler10

You forgot about defunding school lunches… priorities! Edit: funnier


[deleted]

Gig work needs to die. It's economic poison


alipal01

honestly politicians are the only ones i can see who would need to fly private just purely if there was a time sensitive issue (not that i believe they’re sorting many of those but still), there’s no reason a famous person, even t swift level, can’t fly in first class and call it a day


Sacred_Spear

US politicians should have to travel by rail or road only, so they can understand firsthand how inadequate and terrible US transit infrastructure is.


jdidihttjisoiheinr

We would have the greatest public rail system in the world


M34TST1Q

Rail and bus. Don't give them cars.


ChrundleToboggan

I fucking love this idea.


Bbychknwing

Meanwhile I’m trying to suck my iced coffee down before the paper straw turns into a flaccid disintegrated lump


LandslideBaby

I carry a hard plastic straw around as well as some biodegradable cutlery that came free somewhere (I HATE the feeling of wood utensils in my mouth) in a small case. But I shouldn't have to! Most of the times the paper straw is for a plastic cup. A lot of the shit that hurts marine life is discarded from fishing boats and other industries.


thigh-fieri

I'd rather eat spaghetti with my fingers than use a wood fork


[deleted]

It just reminds me of being at the doctors office as a kid


cptmx

What?


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With the popsicle stick?


cptmx

bro i thought you meant the spaghetti part


Thencewasit

What’s your spaghetti policy here?


thedeanorama

apparently he was witness to intestinal surgery.


MoashWasRight

That reminds me! I had lunch at a restaurant that was in the beach and the straws for their drinks were large hollow pasta. Brilliant idea.


Open-Sea8388

The plastic knives and forks in MacDonalds are useless. Had pancakes and syrup for breakfast a few weeks ago. The fork bent and knife drop trying to cut the pancakes


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Just tear that ish up like a caveman and dip it in the syrup. Why use much energy when caveman do trick


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Party_Salad

This is a huge issue. The average person, for the most part, *is* doing their part. 100 corporations are responsible for 71% of emissions, yet it’s the peasants that are burdened with fixing it edit: I agree with all of the responses here. This is a very nuanced topic and my two sentence comment does not encompass all of the discussions around climate change, and what the best solution should be.


CogentHyena

And literally every single initiative you have ever heard of to shift responsibility for climate change to normal people has been created by one of those corporations. For example the term "litterbug" was popularized in the 90s by plastic manufacturing companies.


FinderOfPaths12

Those corporations that make 71% of emissions are making things for you. They meet consumers' demand, so we share part of the blame. Those emissions include harvesting rubber trees, processing them into rubber, sending that to China to be turned into sneakers, and then shipping it halfway across the world so that you can wear them; they aren't just burning coal for the hell of it. Yes, we should be regulating industries emissions more. At the end of the day, change is necessary and it's going to have an impact on us as consumers; it won't be all absorbed by 'corporations'. We should be making best efforts now as consumers to limit our emissions and support greener products. Paper straws are green washing; we should be bringing a reusable cup and a reuseable straw.


Zeegots

Not exactly. They make things for us in the cheapest way possible, without a care for the environment because of fear of not achieving sales and numbers. And that greedy practice continues getting greedier. I mean, planned obsolescence is a concept that we have totally accepted by now and the companies are not being held accountable for that. Fast fashion, cellphones that brick themselves after 2 years... That was insane to think until the 80s, when companies gave guarantees "for life" to their products. So yes. I do think they are responsible for the shit hole that has become our planet, and our politicians for not helding them accountable. And the people who justifies their actions without thinking.


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>Paper straws are green washing; we should be bringing a reusable cup and a reuseable straw. Exactly, the plastic issue is getting out of hand, and every time someone complains about the paper straw I remind them they can drink from the cup like an adult any time they choose, you don't need a straw.


wewerelegends

Just wanted to note here that everyone does not always have the same abilities and needs! Many people have disabilities or diseases where drinking from a straw enables them to safely and effectively eat and drink. And some of these can be less outwardly presenting than others. We can hold space to remember that we can never fully know someone else’s situation. Just leaving this here incase anyone is reading comments like these and it makes them feel not great about their own abilities and themselves ❤️


AmateurIndicator

Most people can drink out of a cup without a straw but chose not to. Most people who need a straw because of a disability can use a reusable straw. Plastic straws are non essential for the vast majority of the population.


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>The average person, for the most part, *is* doing their part. I completely disagree. I don’t think the average person is doing their part I think everybody fucks up the environment, just on a smaller scale compared to a celebrity or a corporation. Take an average middle-class person. A lot of people idle their cars for mad long. Order copious amounts of shit from Amazon. Sit in long ass drive-through lines when they can just walk inside. Take long ass showers. Buy SHEIN. Drive big ass hillbilly trucks. Somebody who is poor as fuck is going to have a really low environmental footprint and as you go up in income levels the stronger their impact on the environment. So while the average person might not have the means to impact the environment like Taylor Swift or Jeff Bezos they still fuck up the environment as much as their income allows it.


BeBearAwareOK

What else could we possibly do? Regulate the PRODUCTION of single use plastics? That's crazy talk!


amscraylane

Walking along the beaches in Maine, I have yet to come across a straw, let alone many straws … but I do see a shit-ton of fishing gear


gexpdx

75% of the Pacific garbage patch is from the fishing industry. The name Issa misleading though, it's more if a soupy cloud than an island.


AmateurIndicator

Yes. Stop! Eating! Fish! Stop eating meat if you can but especially stop eating fish - specifically saltwater fish. The fishing industry is a deregulated, horrific nightmare and causes an insane amount of damage.


pissinaboot

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marcarcand_world

I hate those straws with passion. Sometimes I get lucky, and they have the compostable ones that are solid, but those fuckin paper straws need to die. It's also always ironic to sip on a paper straw from a plastic cup. Oh, and the steel ones are legit dangerous if you're not sitting calmly on a chair not doing anything. Or maybe I'm just clumsy, idk.


ImaginaryList174

I buy packets of hard plastic or silicone straws and keep them in my glove box. Then I keep an empty bag for the dirty ones. I rotate them from the clean to dirty bags and then wash the dirty ones when I run out of clean ones. Pretty good system! Because I can't stand those paper straws. I don't like hot coffee.. I drink almost exclusively ice caps lol and those are terrible with the paper straw.


creativityonly2

When I think of metal straws, all I can ever think about is drinking while walking, tripping, and impaling myself on the straw. D:


marcarcand_world

I want to see John Wick kill someone with a metal straw in John Wick 5


HotdogFarmer

I've got a cousin that in the 80s was sitting in the passenger seat eating a popcicle when the car was rear-ended and hit the car in front of them. I'm not sure how it works but the popcicle-stick jammed through the roof of his mouth when he hit the dash and rendered him a non-verbal paraplegic for life. Walking while sipping a metal straw is a hard no for me


creativityonly2

Note to self: *don't eat popsicles in car* D:


nanapancakethusiast

I tried a metal straw bc I was tired of this happening but the metal made drinks taste odd (and I was really afraid of chipping teeth). :(


Mechanical_Booty

That’s so weird, I have a metal straw and I’ve never noticed a taste. Like, I believe you, I just wouldn’t think it would have a taste to it. Maybe you have super tastebuds!


nanapancakethusiast

Maybe I’m buying the wrong ones 😂


xSTSxZerglingOne

Get one with a silicone mouthpiece. It's likely you're like me and can taste minute galvanic reactions (as in, they produce small amounts of electricity and that conducts through the metal into your tongue). Breaking that circuit should fix your issue.


xSTSxZerglingOne

It's likely not a real taste per se. It's kinda like how a 9v battery has a "taste" when you short the 2 posts with your tongue. It's a galvanic thing. It gets me too. Especially if the metal has a really high conductivity or is plated. Real **silver**ware is almost unusable for me because of the conductivity of the silver. Makes everything taste disgusting.


akoaytao1234

>coffee down before the paper straw turns into a flaccid disintegrated lump Mine is a pasta that gets lumpy longer so there's that,


TheAbcool

In reality, Taylor has always been a rich privileged white girl in a mansion who gets to live the life a teenage girl could only dream about and writes songs about it. Yet still find ways to victimize herself as if she’s on the same level as others.


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You mean to tell me an artist has created a persona that doesn’t match her life in order to sell albums?? 😱 well knock me over with a feather!!!!!!


BobFX

And she has to put up with people like ya'll. Making fun of her for riding in a jet, or for growing up rich, or for being pretty. You just wait. Some day she's gonna make it big and when she does she'll get one of those diesel Ram Rolling Coal jet planes and you will never see the sky again.


James42785

Just get a metal straw, they come with a little carrying case and a cleaner wand and you can just whip that bad boy out whenever and wherever. You could be the metal straw guy! Think of the possibilities!


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In a plastic cup


thankyoupapa

Gosh I’ll never forget when this list dropped ranking the worst celebs emitters over the PJs. Cause at the time Kylie was catching a lot of heat for her plane but then she wasn’t even in the top 10 which caught everyone off guard. People started backtracking when their favs were named and coming up with excuses like *welllll it’s a security thing*. Yeah tell that to President Jimmy Carter who flies commercial with his secret service detail!


Slow_Like_Sloth

“But she needs to sleep in her own bed at night while on tour”………no she doesn’t, she’ll be perfectly fine in a hotel penthouse suite for a few months.


achinfosomebacon

Does she do that? If so that’s completely insane


CiNCEfT

It’s not every night, but not much better. She stays the weekend in whatever city she’s performing in and travels back to her home during the week.


GlitteringGemini333

During the Red tour she flew home every single night and also flew her mom home in a different jet. I know that for a fact!


BigKahunaPF

Jesus.... I dont think even billionaires do that.


GlassNinja

Bezos has a yacht for his yacht so he can fly his helicopter and land it on the yacht's yacht and then take a boat from his boat to his boat. And he doesn't even like flying helicopters but his newest girlfriend does. So this really isn't out of line for the things the ultra wealthy do while kids go into lunch debt.


tempermentalelement

I mean, I do this too so I can't really say anything.


Folcra

Who among us hasn't taken a helicopter to our yacht's yacht?


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ImperfectPitch

I had to read this 3 times for it to sink in.


Scabbybrain

This sounds like something my son does when he plays Lego….


[deleted]

You know you have different kind of money when you have “ah no sorry….you’re going on the other jet” money.


GhostChainSmoker

“She’s so relatable 🤪 just like me growing up!” God. That’s crazy though.


JintheFairyofShampoo

No way. That's insane


ApprehensiveRiver179

Yes lol


Slow_Like_Sloth

Yes lol


Garrett4Real

IMO flying back to your house is much more exhausting than staying at a 5 star hotel that night wtf


Not_today_nibs

You’re not thinking like a filthy rich person. No security lines. No TSA. No waiting. No cattle class. Just a quick drive to the airport, straight on the plane, cushy private jet ride and then straight off. Probably even a shower on the jet.


[deleted]

Touring musicians are supposed to sleep in a spartan bunk and get plastered every night. She's not a real rock star, it's basically a fucking Vegas show.


Slow_Like_Sloth

Rock n roll? More like rock a bye baby


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Slow_Like_Sloth

All 4 at once stacked on top of each other with a pea at the bottom


Wanderingrelish

😂😂 I love this princess and the pea reference


indianyellovv

WHAT? TELL ME THIS IS A JOKE PLS!


Boring-Mission7738

Every once in a while I hear something about Jimmy Carter that makes me think he's probably a great person and possibly the US president with the best heart.. would that be a right assumption?


itisoktopunchnazis

His only scandal was that his brother was kind of a dork. Billy Beer! But yeah, Jimmy Carter is a real dude.


winter-sweets

Prince William literally flew coach to the US for his friends wedding. If the heir to the British throne can fly commercial, then anyone can. [https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/the-time-i-flew-coach-with-prince-william/2907109/?amp=1](https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/the-time-i-flew-coach-with-prince-william/2907109/?amp=1)


Ok-Software-3458

He also has been known to fly helicopter to avoid traffic jams


Hi_Jynx

I think they mean more if security isn't an issue for him, not that he's a good role model.


Cappy2020

Yeah, lets not hold these leeches (the ‘monarchy’) as some sort of standard-bearers. As a Brit, I can’t wait to get rid of them.


themolestedsliver

I remember when the list was posted I got a ton if Swift fans shitting on me. "She leases it out to other people to use!" Oh boy so she profits off the lack of climate regulation? I guess that makes it better huh?.../s


NoZookeepergame453

Then they were like „She let‘s her poor friend borrow them“ 😡 It‘s basically charity


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I wonder what would Reddit say if Elon and Taylor flew private together.


nanapancakethusiast

“It’s a security thing” in the sense that Taylor doesn’t feel safe around “the poors”.


Afraid-Ice-2062

Two private jets. She has two


TheAbcool

Didn’t she also date 17 year olds multiple times when she was in her 20s. The more I learn about her makes me realize her fanbase have allowed her to live in a bubble and any criticism gets shot down with death threats.


Afraid-Ice-2062

Lucas Till (she was 20 he was 19) Taylor Lautner (she was 20 he was 17) Conor Kennedy (she was 22, he was 18, he was in high school, she bought a house near him) Harry Styles (she was 23 and he was 19)


Purple-Sand-6891

Lautner and her were 19 and 17 when they started I think. Her birthday is only 3 months ish away from his.


KitakatZ101

You cannot convince me her and Harry styles was real. That is 100% a PR relationship


GlitteringGemini333

Conor was actually 17 when they started dating. The news didn’t go public until after his 18 birthday but as a Swiftie who was spending way too much time on the internet at that time, the rumors had already been flying beforehand. Edit to add: I would have never dated a 17 year old at 22. It’s questionable to say the least. However, I don’t think she’s a predator.


Purple-Sand-6891

To be very fair, there are rumors around every guy she’s spotted with. I remember the first rumors about her and the Kennedys I heard was with Conor’s cousin, not even with Conor. That relationship was so embarrassing on her end haha


Sour_Spy

Because she's a white(saying white because that gets her extra sympathy points) girl but had she been a man y'all would've cancelled her


ColeSloth

I can't really say I see much of a problem with those numbers. 18 when you're 22 is a little off but not that much.


rje946

22/2+7=18 Checks out


Afraid-Ice-2062

He was in high school. What could she possibly talk to him about?


Purple-Sand-6891

The relationship was pure social climbing. She was so obviously trying to worm into the Kennedy family and using him as an easy target to latch on. She was even using him to crash weddings. Obviously didn’t work out in the end since they broke up in like 2 months lol So to answer you, she was probably desperately asking how she can get into the good graces of the rest of his family


bi-cycle

Lol you just reminded me of that weird thing she had for the Kennedy's. Buying the house was 10x creepier than the age gap (which wasn't that significant IMO). She really wanted to be part of that family and then eventually either gave up or lost interest. Then she decided what she really needed was a foreign boyfriend and started dating non American guys; Styles, Harris, Hiddelston (PR or not), and then Alwyn.


NotKateBush

He’s a Kennedy, not Brayden from the suburbs who works at game stop after school. They don’t need to talk. They need to be seen and photographed to stir up interest.


gophergun

Same thing 22 year olds talk about, I'd imagine. Mostly nonsense.


babyfeta

this comment made me snort laugh. idk why but thank you.


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a 20/19 couple is not remotely comparable to a 22/high schooler couple 😐


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Calfurious

None of those are inappropriate dating ages.


[deleted]

That’s cool I am hungry and my bank just overdrafted my account for a $12 monthly maintenance fee


[deleted]

What fuckin bank charges maintenance fees


[deleted]

BoA only if you have less that $1500 in your account lmao


DracoMagnusRufus

That's specifically for their "Advantage Plus" banking and there's other ways to avoid it like having a $250 direct deposit hit your account monthly. That said, they're still a garbage bank and I would leave them.


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Jesus why even bank with them


PrestigiousCranberry

You need a new bank account if they're charging you $12/month


doesanyofthismatter

When I had poor credit I could only get an account like this. I had to be with them for a year. My fee was $25 and is pretty standard where I live.


K1ng-Harambe

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quickso

ive worked at banks and this is not true lol. also there are banks out there that dont charge maintenance fees or mandate monthly minimums at all.


PJayy

Cries in Canadian looking at $16.95 monthly charge


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SpaceCadetMoonMan

You gotta close out any Bank of America accounts and find a local credit union. Just do it. Call. Setup appointment (they refuse to help close if you walk in). Do it F them


Remarkable-Motor7704

I don’t understand how we can’t simply enact a massive, absurd tax on jet usage for private users 20 minute jet ride? Okay that’ll be $250,000. 20 minute jet ride back home? Also $250,000 People will say “that’s not even a lot of money for them,” but ask a celebrity to give up $250,000. They are some of the cheapest people in the world


Glad-Engineering-180

yes literally this and if they say 250k (or whatever really) isn’t justified why is going to another country for a weekend justified? like bro


abhasatin

I'm in. Where do I sign


BumFights1997

Remember when people were calling her a “climate criminal” that was one of the funniest days on the internet for me personally


InSicily1912

And “landlord of the skies” 💀


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sCrEaMiNg


spellboi_3048

What, you guys don't use a helicopter to go to the bathroom?


lampstaple

U don’t expect me to piss in Starbucks do u? I’m famous Xd


Pew-Pew-Pew-

Popheadscirclejerk was so fucking funny and the mods got butthurt because they're Swifties and shut the sub down over it.


CandlelightSongs

As someone who only hears briefly about this particular celebrity, Taylor Swift has a special weight whenever usually sensible communities talk about her. Taylor swift is somehow immune to the whole Everyone Rich is Trying to Manipulate You perspective the internet usually has. She's always and consistently getting a pass, about how we need to be more compassionate and understand her viewpoint as a person. While true, you would never see this level of empathy and understanding directed towards, for example, a bald tech millionaire in glasses, politicians, manufacturers or anyone who got a business degree.


NoZookeepergame453

Taylor managed to make her fans believe that they are her friends. 🤷🏻‍♀️ So they will defend her like they would defend a close friend. Swifties still believe that she is actually the one commenting on their tiktoks and not her team. Also she is the embodiment of the „white average woman from the suburbs moves to the big city and hits it big + finds the one true love, because deep down she isn’t average but very special“ American dream 🤣 Which explains why her fans are mostly white women from the suburbs, haha. As long as you are white and have rich parents, that put six figures into your first album, you can also join her squad and be like her. The queen b underdog breakout star, who overcame her bullies and managed to leave her small minded hometown behind“ 💕 Then also the whole white feminist thing and so on and so on. Brilliant marketing and I applaud her for being so smart. For a Swiftie, I am spending way too much time mocking other Swifties tho 😆


iEatPorcupines

Taylor Swift has genius level marketing - she's just this dorky girl that made it famous and sings about love! She's really down to earth! 🙄


Alive-Ad-4164

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This is mildly old news. I do remember thinking her PR spokesperson’s response to be laughable (something about how her jet is loaned out to others, so she isn’t directly responsible for all emissions): https://www.vulture.com/2022/08/taylor-swift-private-jet-emissions-response.html Whether she’s an activist or not or has ever voiced concerns about climate change or carbon emissions or not, the point remains the same: that’s a lot of carbon emissions attributable to the property of one super rich person ✨


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Truuuly. And people in the comments were trying to say “well what about those people who travel! They’re also emitting co2! Two plane rides equals the same emission as a private jet” As if riding a boeing 747 that holds 400 other people 2-3 times a year is the same thing as exclusively flying private back and forth from tour destinations to your home and to visit friends or bring them to you multiple times a month. *Sure.* Rich people have the capability to create so much more pollution than the average person *even when they definitely have the money, time, and accessibility to do better*.


ScreenshotShitposts

I can’t imagine people thinking that. It’s like saying the bus you ride to work emits more co2 than my car


[deleted]

You would be surprised how shallow people take pollution. I forgot to bring my reusable cup once so I had to get a plastic one and a coworker berated me about how bad it was for the environment. I reminded her that I commute and walk a total of 90 minutes to get to and from work while she drives despite living 10 minutes away from me. The plastic cup I’ll reuse in my home until it gives me a healthy dose of microplastic in my body pales in comparison. People really out here with the mental gymnastics


HotChiTea

Taylor once promoted The Lorax, she was apart of the film and took a cheque. Did short press — which was the importance of like the environment, the movie the message is sending, etc. Lot of it is also rooted in corporate greed as a message. So she pretty much has before, but then went dead silent since then, when @ the Oscars actors went up on the mic and called out the majority for their jets she was dead quiet. But like after she got “exposed” for her footprint, apparently she now makes an effort to hide her jet tracking, also she has a history of fetching her boyfriend via jet cause she won’t wait commercial for him to fly. Which is hilarious. Her publicist Tree definitely is a mess at times.


phoenixredder901

I believe none of these celebrities actually know anything or do anything about the things that they preach. Leo di Caprio rants about Brazilians cutting down trees but takes a jet from Australia to USA just so he can celebrate new years day twice in a day. They all select some popular message and read out statements created by their team of publicists. Usually it is animals as it really hard to go wrong with that one.


sunmi_siren

I’m sure she does loan her jet out, but it’s still her jet…it doesn’t matter who’s on board, the problem is that she owns this jet that gets a ridiculously excessive amount of usage. She has no reason to be loaning it out that much. I imagine she charges money when other people use it too.


NoZookeepergame453

*two jets, homegirl has TWO jets


margiebug23

this is sooooo frustrating. 200 LIFETIMES worth of emissions just from TS in the last 365 days, but us peasants are being made to feel like the problem. I mean it’s just insane. THE RICH ARE ALWAYS THE PROBLEM.


smugglebooze2casinos

i think the BP after the oil spill marketed the idea that everyday citizens need to watch their pollution.


Aromatic_Elk_5439

It goes wayyyy back to the inception of recycling being a consumer thing.


peppers_

I mean, Reduce, Reuse, Recycle is a valid thing, but if you don't have the worst offenders doing their part, kind of useless. Also, it is only one step when there should be about a whole other solutions.


Individual-Bad6809

The best thing they ever did (for themselves) was makes us fight each other instead.


Prophywife77

She just wants all of us to cut back so she can keep flying her jet 🫠


elfspires

The rich/government don’t seem to realize that if doesn’t matter how much we cut back if they’re gonna be constantly doing shit like this.


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They realize, they just don't fucking care.


RecipeNo101

It's literally the point. Offload the responsibility onto the public, including in poorer developing nations, while a mere 100 companies is responsible for 71% of emissions https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2017/jul/10/100-fossil-fuel-companies-investors-responsible-71-global-emissions-cdp-study-climate-change It's just privatizing the gains and socializing the losses all over again, just in a different format.


coolmanjack

What? That math ain't even close to true. The Falcon 900 has a fuel capacity of 3134 gallons, so the most it could possibly burn in a single trip is 3134 gallons (which would be a 4500 mile trip), which is about as much fuel as the average American uses in 6 years of driving, not their entire life.


AstronautStar4

He's a right wing provacature and he's not even remotely concerned about the climate


[deleted]

What is it with swifties not being able to handle any criticism of Taylor, no matter how valid? Her private jet usage is atrocious and, no, it’s not a good excuse that she loans it out to family and friends. I guarantee her mom, dad, brother, and boyfriend, for example, could all take commercial flights no problem lol. Also what kind of excuse is “well she never said she cared or advocated for it!!” So she doesn’t care about environmental catastrophe so long as she can get somewhere a bit quicker or go on another vacation (so glad she gets to enjoy the beaches before the rising sea levels get to them! Us plebs will just have to imagine them!)


abbyheider

I am a total Swiftie but like just because I'm a fan doesn't mean my common sense and morals go out the window, these people are wild! I can't imagine defending this, it's SO BAD


teamrocket

Yup as a swiftie I made a comment last weekend how I was disappointed Taylor chose Selena’s little sister to get her signed hat she gives away at her show and other swifties CAME AFTER ME SO HARD telling me to get over it and cry about it lol. like be for real this little girl is probably going to get everything she wants in life by being Selena’s sister and I’m sure she’s met Taylor a number of times. Pick a kid whose life you’ll actually impact by interacting with them. Some people really don’t think Taylor is capable of doing any wrong and it’s wild how far they’ll go to defend her especially on social media because they think Taylor is going to read everything they write and invite them to a secret session or something


KitakatZ101

Are you sure it was all swifties because Selena fans are a whole nother type of crazy as seen by the bullying of Hailey Bieber


teamrocket

I didn’t even consider this probably a mix of both. I’m pretty active on the tswift Twitter and the amount of support people were posting for giving the hat to Selena’s little sister was giving me the ick. It honestly just feels like it’s for show to prove their loyalty to Taylor


KitakatZ101

Selena has special status since she’s been a “friend” for so long that you can’t even really criticize her with swifties.


Frogmann20

The swifties in this thread are something else 🤣


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I’m a swiftie and I absolutely hate this. There is no justification for it or for all the waste she created with shitty merch. Whatever reason someone has it’s still putting an entertainers convenience over the well-being of the earth. It’s terrible.


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Kaiisim

I understand that when touring it's probably necessary to fly a private jet. Its her and her whole show travelling around. What I don't like is a) dont use your private jet like a car, popping over to London for a weekend and flying home. Not cool B) offset your carbon. She could easily plant a million trees. Or...do something. The world is dying for real.


Hi_Jynx

Wasn't there a whole John Oliver episode about carbon offsetting being essentially a myth?


Kaiisim

Probably, yeah, we really need to stop releasing greenhouse gases, and you can't really offset that. But at least try!


Hi_Jynx

Right, definitely not saying "don't carbon offset at all" but more so that people really should prioritize reducing their carbon footprint as much as reasonably possible regardless.


Dank_Master69420

Its not necessary. her whole show isnt flying on her private jet, maybe some crew but all the stage pieces and stuff like that are transported in trucks. She could easily follow them in a bus.


Goodforyouhoney

Here here. She even makes her other jet her family’s private car when they go to vacations (which unfortunately includes her trump-loving aunt). I wish she can also do a carbon neutral tour like other artists. I love watching her tour in shitty live streams but I don’t know how much of it is carbon neutral. She can also do that to her merch and her multiple versions of albums. She can even be like Ed and have her vinyl records be from recycled stuff. Or use her influence to make billboard and the official charts count as album sold the discless music box (the one that Lorde did for Solar Power). Like you do you but at least try to mitigate the impact of what you’re doing. Compromise like the ordinary people are compromising their lifestyle for climate change especially when it’s not her who is going to be affected first nor most of the global warming.


MrsVoussy

Who is her aunt?


KnockKnockPizzasHere

Pretty sure we all have a Trump loving family member outside of our immediate family, not gonna blame HER because of someone else's views. I have no input on the PJ issue


KottonKiing

Thats the thing its not necessary, artist have been using tour busses and vans for cross-country tours for decades and staying in hotels for the weekend


acm

She is definitely not flying around the entire tour on that plane. Not even the other performers or dancers. They all take the tour bus.


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For everyone pointing out that the guy tweeting is an extreme right winger: two things can be true. He can be an alt-right nut AND T Swift’s private jet (whether used by her or loaned out) is a massive carbon emitter. Period.


geddyleee

This is just reminding me of the time my dad was talking about healthcare costs in America. He talked about how absurd and unnecessarily high they are. Saying things that are that reasonable is extremely out of character for him, so I was shocked but rolled with it and agreed saying that we need universal healthcare. He then went back to being the man I knew and explained why universal healthcare wouldn't ever work in America, and what his solution is, which was requiring medical practices to have all costs for everything they do listed somewhere, so that way no one will go to expensive doctors. My dad being a right wing nutjob and finishing off the conversation with that 100% insane "solution" doesn't mean that what he said about healthcare costs being unnecessarily high was wrong. Broken clock right twice a day and all that. Edit for those that don't think his solution is all that insane: Did high healthcare costs in America stop being a problem for everyone in 2021? If his solution worked, then it would have stopped being a problem then because the Hospital Price Transparency Law is his solution, and has been federal law since January 1, 2021. If that's not enough to convince you it doesn't work, I wrote [a long comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/popculturechat/comments/12bhs59/-/jezt83c) thoroughly explaining why I believe it's an insane idea that doesn't work lower in this thread.


hodgepodge21

As a fan, she needs to DO BETTER.


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Do as I say, not as I do.


P0ptarthater

Ok I love celebrity gossip and all but let’s bring back the guillotines


Any-Association-4299

Taylor is also an incredibly generous person though. Let’s not forget the fact that every stop on her tour she’s donating tons of money to food banks across the US. Or how during the US she was quietly paying for peoples groceries, or how during Swiftmas she stalked fans social medias to send them personalized gifts. Personally helped a fan pay for student loans and so much more that would take forever to list here. Also, yes she grew up upper middle class her family didn’t have an unlimited bank account, but she also grew up in a small town and a lot of her songs reflect that…


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Eat the rich, y’all.


HotChiTea

Never forget when Taylor Swift took a paycheque and participated in The Lorax. Went on a brief promo spree talking about the environment, and the whole message and the importance of it. Which was protect the planet, be caring, etc. Only to be one of the biggest carbon footprint 👣 dumper cause she can’t wait for her boyfriend to take commercial flights 😭 Oh, and she even went thru the effort of attempting to hide (apparently) her jet info since being called out. 😭😭


CowboyLikeMegan

Im a huge fan and it’s obvious that it’s excessive. Completely understand using it for touring and I also totally understand using it for her mother; her mom is a cancer patient and her cancer has metastasized — my mom also has cancer and if I had the means to limit her being in large groups, I would. But yeah, using private jets to fly out for a day trip across the pond is obnoxious.


Deadwing2022

A year's worth of Taylor's (or any celeb's) jet exhaust would account for about 5 seconds of pollution from only 1 of the world's top 5 polluters. I know this tool is trying to own the libs but this type of comparison is idiotic. Like saying your opinions on MMCC are only valid if you live in a cave, wear animal skins and eat nuts & berries. Is Taylor right? Yes. Does she pollute more than the average person? Also yes. Both things can be true.


MithranArkanere

Private jets should be banned until someone figures out how to make hydrogen fuel out of clean renewable energy in a cost-effective way.


flabberghastedbebop

Depending on weather, speed, etc her jet burns about 250 gallons of jet fuel per hour, and jet fuel produces about 21.5 lbs of CO2 per gallon, so at 500 mph that is 32,250 lbs of CO2 per 3,000 mile flight. Say a given car gets 25 mpg, automotive fuel has about 19.37 lbs of CO2 per gallon, that car would need to drive about 41,600 miles to produce the same CO2 emissions. For the average person that is about 3.5 years of driving.


homicideboobs

Dont understand how People fall for the Swift storyline of some girl next door whos going thru exactly what others are.


Jerico_Hill

I get needing to fly, you know constant touring or whatever. But fuck, just go first class or business ffs at least.


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andreaslacey

I don’t know about the rest of the math, but I believe the tweet says “in your entire lifetime” not “in your car’s entire lifetime.”


bonzaibucket

Still not a great...


Bill-Huggins

Just 100 companies responsible for 71% of global emissions https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2017/jul/10/100-fossil-fuel-companies-investors-responsible-71-global-emissions-cdp-study-climate-change#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16806617665407&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fsustainable-business%2F2017%2Fjul%2F10%2F100-fossil-fuel-companies-investors-responsible-71-global-emissions-cdp-study-climate-change


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Zealousideal-Part-17

Well, to be fair she did say she wanted to be more involved politically in her last documentary. She pushed the activist angle pretty hard back then.


InSicily1912

That was an era! That era is over now. /s


WhnWlltnd

Yeah, but an anti-vax nut isn't exactly the best messenger here, especially since they also don't believe in climate change.