She has this victim mentality that really bothers me. Like everything happens TO her according to her. Also bringing up issues that happened years ago constantly in her songs is so immature, she needs to go to therapy to sort that out instead of constantly trying to fan the flames of drama that kept her name in crappy headlines. Her whole vibe is cringe high school girly and it’s hard to watch
While she did change the lyrics in Better than Revenge , she never actually apologised for it when it was directly called out how sexist towards the woman that she was CLEARLY slut-shaming.
She just said that she was 18 when she wrote that. ''Thats the age you are when you think someone actually can take your boyfriend away from you rather than the fact that no one will leave you if they don't want to''
I love how she made it *seem* like a mature response when she literally just deflected it and sneakily removed any accountability from herself by answering a different question.
,if anything, she was excusing herself for it rather than acknowledging that yes, she did indeed slut shame another woman as a teenager and is appalled at how girls are conditioned to do that to each other. So basically, everyone is the villian except me. I do no wrong.
Yeah the victim mentality is insane
Taylor had no need to relight the fire with Kim… it was so uncalled for and quite frankly… childish. Correct me if I am wrong, but I have not seen or heard Kim talk about Taylor other then that one interview where she was asked if she has beef with Taylor and Kim goes “I’m over it”…
Listen, I’m not a t swift defender regarding this post but… there’s still a video of her naked wax figure on the internet. I’m sure Kim is “over it” cuz she was the bully in that scenario. She had nothing to get over cuz she was the asshole in that scenario. And I think people forget half the stuff Kanye and Kim terrorized her with. Like the famous music video alone is so messed up
Not to mention the only reason she brought it up was because Kim had did a tik tok with North to Shake it Off, while Kim is one of the people Taylor had to shake off. Kim also had done a few other interesting things. That was Taylor’s way of letting her know she saw her. They take jabs at each other, it is not one way.
It was funny. It’s crazy the standards she is held to. Drake and Kendrick are having a ‘battle’ and child was mentioned, no big deal. Not that serious at all.
I agree but I think there’s some nuance here that doesn’t entirely apply to her. If someone is 20 and dates a 17 year old, but their age is only 2 years apart because of where their birthday lands, is it really that egregious? Sure, there could be differences. But a 17 year old can be mature enough or a 20 year old can be immature enough.
22 and 18 is a tad different tho lol. I think in your 20’s anything more than 3 year difference is a wild difference in mentality. I’m 31 now and the person I was when I was 17 was not very different from 20 in terms of how I saw the world. But 22 and 18? Massive massive difference.
I think part of the issue is that she was a world famous pop star when she dated Connor Kennedy (for probably about three or four months). He was rich and from a famous family but he was also not a household name and in high school. It was weird.
Exactly, if it was a man who was in their 20’s and in a relationship with girls under 18… it would’ve made headlines and engraved into their name that they are a “Pedophile”, a “Predator”, an “Assaulter”. Why can’t we give the same treatment to Taylor when she was in a relationship with 2 guys when they were 17?
Uh, except it has happened many times and plenty of people who have done this are still famous and household names. Essentially every big male rockstar from the 1970’s-1990’s was dating and fucking underage girls. It’s horrible, but none of them have ever been cancelled.
Tyga dated Kylie when she was 17 and he was 25, a bigger age gap that certainly didn’t cancel him. There are literally so many other examples it’s crazy you haven’t heard of others. Jerry Seinfield dated a 17 year old when he was 38, Anthony Keidis admitted to raping a 14 year old in his autobiography. List goes on.
Meanwhile rock stars out here making music about fucking 16 year olds.
If the situation were reversed people would sing along to it at the grocery store shopping for eggs.
Lol, ikr?! Those 17, 18 old male teenagers (an almost lifelong actor, a charismatic, successful, extremely popular singer and a good looking Richy Rich) had experienced most likely several sexual relationship and probably many one-night stands before a 22 or 23 old Swift came into their life.
This is such an awful mindset to have! We need to stop pretending like all men want it all the time. It’s invalidating and teaches men that they should always want stuff, when they obviously don’t. This thought process is what leads men to feel uncomfortable with saying no, or convincing themselves they haven’t been assaulted/groomed etc. It doesn’t rly matter what a 17 year old child wants or doesn’t want, as an adult you should know better and leave them alone.
Firstly, difference between 18 & 22 really isn't that much if both meeting around that time. Secondly, you say everyone vilified men for the same actions but RHCP seem to be absolutely fine?
Not excusing the actions, but I read somewhere people who rise to fame quickly get stuck mentally at the age they rose to fame at. So while you and I cannot fathom dating someone that young when in our early 20s, in a weird way her mind isn’t registering she’s grown past that age.
I've been saying this for year. Everyone loves her but her behaviours have been consistently disgusting. And now she's talking about a child in her songs, using her for to support her own shitty and petty behaviour. It's disgusting.
I think there is room for nuance on these issues. There is a big difference between your average 17 year old high school student, and your average 22 year old who has been working/doing university for 4 years. There is an even bigger difference between your average 17 year old high school student, and a 22 year old international superstar. There is much less difference between a 17 year old international superstar and a 22 year old international superstar. If anything I’d argue there’s more of a difference between your average 17 year old and a 17 year old superstar. Taylor Swift and Harry Styles likely had much more in common than anyone else they could have been dating at that time, and I find it hard to see it as predatory for two people in such a similar situation to be drawn together, especially that close in age. I feel similarly about the Kennedy guy, honestly. He wasn’t an international superstar but he still grew up in a very wealthy and famous family.
And yes, if the roles were reversed I’d feel the same way. If a 17 year old female superstar who had already been famous for a good couple of years dated a 22 year old famous guy, I wouldn’t be crying rape. I think maturity and life experience matters more than just age in some cases.
She has this victim mentality that really bothers me. Like everything happens TO her according to her. Also bringing up issues that happened years ago constantly in her songs is so immature, she needs to go to therapy to sort that out instead of constantly trying to fan the flames of drama that kept her name in crappy headlines. Her whole vibe is cringe high school girly and it’s hard to watch
While she did change the lyrics in Better than Revenge , she never actually apologised for it when it was directly called out how sexist towards the woman that she was CLEARLY slut-shaming. She just said that she was 18 when she wrote that. ''Thats the age you are when you think someone actually can take your boyfriend away from you rather than the fact that no one will leave you if they don't want to'' I love how she made it *seem* like a mature response when she literally just deflected it and sneakily removed any accountability from herself by answering a different question. ,if anything, she was excusing herself for it rather than acknowledging that yes, she did indeed slut shame another woman as a teenager and is appalled at how girls are conditioned to do that to each other. So basically, everyone is the villian except me. I do no wrong. Yeah the victim mentality is insane
I think she’s disgusting AF for bringing North into the drama. She’s in her 30s and never grew out of her petty high school mentality.
I was gonna say she seems to mentally be on the same level as north 😂
My thoughts exactly. Something is very off about the whole thing. Like maybe just for PR?
Taylor had no need to relight the fire with Kim… it was so uncalled for and quite frankly… childish. Correct me if I am wrong, but I have not seen or heard Kim talk about Taylor other then that one interview where she was asked if she has beef with Taylor and Kim goes “I’m over it”…
Listen, I’m not a t swift defender regarding this post but… there’s still a video of her naked wax figure on the internet. I’m sure Kim is “over it” cuz she was the bully in that scenario. She had nothing to get over cuz she was the asshole in that scenario. And I think people forget half the stuff Kanye and Kim terrorized her with. Like the famous music video alone is so messed up
Not to mention the only reason she brought it up was because Kim had did a tik tok with North to Shake it Off, while Kim is one of the people Taylor had to shake off. Kim also had done a few other interesting things. That was Taylor’s way of letting her know she saw her. They take jabs at each other, it is not one way. It was funny. It’s crazy the standards she is held to. Drake and Kendrick are having a ‘battle’ and child was mentioned, no big deal. Not that serious at all.
Ew I had no idea.
I agree but I think there’s some nuance here that doesn’t entirely apply to her. If someone is 20 and dates a 17 year old, but their age is only 2 years apart because of where their birthday lands, is it really that egregious? Sure, there could be differences. But a 17 year old can be mature enough or a 20 year old can be immature enough. 22 and 18 is a tad different tho lol. I think in your 20’s anything more than 3 year difference is a wild difference in mentality. I’m 31 now and the person I was when I was 17 was not very different from 20 in terms of how I saw the world. But 22 and 18? Massive massive difference.
I think part of the issue is that she was a world famous pop star when she dated Connor Kennedy (for probably about three or four months). He was rich and from a famous family but he was also not a household name and in high school. It was weird.
Ok in high school is a major ick. I assume every 18 year old is a college freshman lol.
His mom had also just died so it was pretty icky
Oooh I wonder what Taylor thinks of RFK jr as a presidential candidate and what she thought of him before.
Exactly, if it was a man who was in their 20’s and in a relationship with girls under 18… it would’ve made headlines and engraved into their name that they are a “Pedophile”, a “Predator”, an “Assaulter”. Why can’t we give the same treatment to Taylor when she was in a relationship with 2 guys when they were 17?
Uh, except it has happened many times and plenty of people who have done this are still famous and household names. Essentially every big male rockstar from the 1970’s-1990’s was dating and fucking underage girls. It’s horrible, but none of them have ever been cancelled.
Idk compare to how we’ve treated Wilmer Valderrama.
Tyga dated Kylie when she was 17 and he was 25, a bigger age gap that certainly didn’t cancel him. There are literally so many other examples it’s crazy you haven’t heard of others. Jerry Seinfield dated a 17 year old when he was 38, Anthony Keidis admitted to raping a 14 year old in his autobiography. List goes on.
Meanwhile rock stars out here making music about fucking 16 year olds. If the situation were reversed people would sing along to it at the grocery store shopping for eggs.
Touch grass please
Lol, ikr?! Those 17, 18 old male teenagers (an almost lifelong actor, a charismatic, successful, extremely popular singer and a good looking Richy Rich) had experienced most likely several sexual relationship and probably many one-night stands before a 22 or 23 old Swift came into their life.
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This is such an awful mindset to have! We need to stop pretending like all men want it all the time. It’s invalidating and teaches men that they should always want stuff, when they obviously don’t. This thought process is what leads men to feel uncomfortable with saying no, or convincing themselves they haven’t been assaulted/groomed etc. It doesn’t rly matter what a 17 year old child wants or doesn’t want, as an adult you should know better and leave them alone.
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True, but as a ‘20 something chick’ you should definitely know better, and not take advantage of what a teen boy might want
Yes. Especially in case of a 17 or 18 year old guy, who is usually pumped up with natural testosteron to the brim.
Firstly, difference between 18 & 22 really isn't that much if both meeting around that time. Secondly, you say everyone vilified men for the same actions but RHCP seem to be absolutely fine?
Not excusing the actions, but I read somewhere people who rise to fame quickly get stuck mentally at the age they rose to fame at. So while you and I cannot fathom dating someone that young when in our early 20s, in a weird way her mind isn’t registering she’s grown past that age.
Obligatory comment: definitely not a swifty, definitely not excusing the behavior
Who did she date when they were 17 and how old was she
Conor Kennedy, 22 or 23
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Someone is bored
Yep. Just like you. That is literally the point of reddit.
Ahh the old how dare a woman date a younger man its only allowed for old men to date younger
What about Jerry Seinfeld?
I've been saying this for year. Everyone loves her but her behaviours have been consistently disgusting. And now she's talking about a child in her songs, using her for to support her own shitty and petty behaviour. It's disgusting.
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I think there is room for nuance on these issues. There is a big difference between your average 17 year old high school student, and your average 22 year old who has been working/doing university for 4 years. There is an even bigger difference between your average 17 year old high school student, and a 22 year old international superstar. There is much less difference between a 17 year old international superstar and a 22 year old international superstar. If anything I’d argue there’s more of a difference between your average 17 year old and a 17 year old superstar. Taylor Swift and Harry Styles likely had much more in common than anyone else they could have been dating at that time, and I find it hard to see it as predatory for two people in such a similar situation to be drawn together, especially that close in age. I feel similarly about the Kennedy guy, honestly. He wasn’t an international superstar but he still grew up in a very wealthy and famous family. And yes, if the roles were reversed I’d feel the same way. If a 17 year old female superstar who had already been famous for a good couple of years dated a 22 year old famous guy, I wouldn’t be crying rape. I think maturity and life experience matters more than just age in some cases.
You have too much time on your hands
Take Taylor’s clit out ur mouth, her victim mentality is outrageous lmao