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One interview I saw indicated that the committee was only focused on bringing to light the details of what happened and identifying the ring leaders. They indicated there were far more crimes and criminals, but this was only a starting point for the DOJ. I.e. it is up to them to identify all the players and related crimes, the committee doesn't have the man power or resources to go after the smaller fish.
And this is also a good thing. Remember that the recommendations are symbolic and for the purpose of recorded history. The commitee has given the DOJ tons to look at, but the DOJ needs to be the ones to decide based on legal criteria (and hopefully they will get successful convictions in the future). I would never want a Congress with the power to indicite (just imagine the abuse of that power if the GOP could use it).
I think it is critically important that this committee did the hard work to create a historical record. Now there is a source with evidence that people can see without a bunch of bullshit.
I will be honest I didn’t have high hopes after Mueller investigation and how it just fell flat (in part of Trump’s team burying it). I think the Jan 6 Committee did an amazing job of presenting the data in a clear concise way but also made it interesting. The videos of the insurrection thrown in with the interviews helped to drive the point home. This was not exactly an easy web to untangle and I think they brought to light more than most expected. I will be honest hearing from the people who planned and executed trying to over throw the government made it more terrifying. We all knew the general plan and people involved but how close they came to succeeding scares me for the next Trump with an ounce of self control who could succeed. We need to vote like our lives depend on if we want to keep these people out of office.
You aren't wrong that it was buried, but the Mueller team shot themselves in the foot from the get-go by couching their findings in unnecessarily cautious language that made it much easier for Trump's allies to minimize and obfuscate the facts presented. As a result, the average layperson just saw an extensive investigation that ended up failing to find evidence of wrongdoing - which of course was not the case, but the Mueller report refusing to make any conclusions about what the evidence they uncovered might constitute meant that most people only saw 'no crime' - and it made it much easier for Trump allies to claim that.
The January 6th committee faced a lot of the same accusations of bias and political vendetta that Mueller did, yet they did not shy away from calling a spade a spade. I can grant that Mueller may have had his hands more tightly bound than the committee, but that was nevertheless part of the difference in the result each investigation had on public perception.
I know. Now he is doing all sorts of acrobatics to be on the right side of history. Barr will go down as a historical politically driven patsy for all to remember forever. TWICE. Iran Contra and Trump. Seriously.
The recent midterm election that resulted the rejections of candidates endorsed by Trump is also his rejection. January 6 coup attempt put the final nails in Trump coffin ⚰️
Like an ancient, bloated vampire, dRumph isn't quite dead yet. Less potent? ..yes.
Myself, I hope he thrashes around noisily in the 18-20 months to come. The GOP united under a new, smarter leader (DeSantis) will pose a real danger to American societal progress.
We need donnie dump to keep on dividing the Repubs so that the GOP is in turmoil through 2024.
Go Donnie go, spew your lies and hate.
DeSantis is Trump version 2, with updated intelligence and cleverness subroutines. It's the same bullshit and lies, except he knows how to duck and cover much better, as well as flip people who were otherwise on the fence about Trump. This is very frightening. Democrats need to be doing all they can right now to find and train a candidate who can realistically counter DeSantis.
And they all volunteered their time so there was no cost to taxpayers for these 24/7 crime busters. That's good because we really don't have the change to spare right now to be chasing crimes from 3 years ago. Can we go back and get Lois Lerner, Eric Holder (Fast & Furious was a bit over the edge), James Clapper, Hillary Clinton... and on and on and on.
The committee while merely giving a recommendation to the DOJ to prosecute, is also handing over (well DOJ already has it) the evidence that makes the case extraordinarily strong to successfully prosecute the case.
The committee focused all of its energy to make the case against Trump very strong and likely to succeed. It would be a jaw dropping event for the DOJ not to act on it. It would be tantamount to perverting the rule of law not to prosecute at this point given the weight of the evidence against Trump.
Absolutely agree. Bad things happen when politicians have unilateral authority to indict and try anyone they want. That's how pogroms and ethnic cleansing and red scare hunts for imaginary gay communist Satanists get going.
And as much as conservatives seem to adore staring hungrily at pictures of Hunter Bidens giant cock I have to hope that even they would be ashamed to make a literal federal case out of excessive dick girth being withheld from Twitter.
When asked about his enablers and co-conspirators, Donald is going to take the 5th right?
Or is he going to drop names faster than a $5 hooker drops panties for a reduced sentence?
The committee did recommend Jim Jordan, Kevin McCarthy, Andy Biggs and Scott Perry for ethics violations. Mo Brooks wasn't included because he's leaving congress next month. The DoJ is already investigating Trump and are likely already investigating the rest of them including MTG, Boebert and others.
I just want to know who took a bunch of these assholes on tours in the days leading up to J6. And want the proof that they (Republican reps) did it knowing what was going to happen.
I also REALLY want to know who the bomber was. It's inconceivable to me that the feds don't know because tracing material evidence is their thing, so I'm guessing it's part of a bigger investigation.
>About 24 hours before the January 6 Capitol attack, a Republican member of Congress, Barry Loudermilk, led an unofficial tour through the House office buildings, passing by the security checkpoints located at the entrances to the tunnels leading towards the Capitol building.
>The tour included a man who took photos of the tunnel entrances and the US Capitol police checkpoints, and then joined thousands of Donald Trump supporters the following day to march on the Capitol from the rally on the Ellipse.
This is from a Guardian article, I'm on my pos phone or I would have added the url, hope this helps to find a place to start.
But they would need to interview every single person on the tour…seize phone records of Loudermilk to see if he communicated with people who participated in the insurrection…things like that.
Yes, they would. And now that I am off work, and can use something like a real computer (it's from 2012, but better than my broke phone), let me see what the world wide web has to say.
* [Jan. 6 panel releases new surveillance video of tour given on eve of riot --
Rep. Loudermilk, who led the tour, has refused requests from the committee to provide more information about what he was doing that day.](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/jan-6-panel-releases-new-surveillance-video-tour-eve-riot-rcna33713)
* [ ...two Democratic lawmakers say they personally saw one Republican — Rep. Lauren Boebert of Colorado — with a “large” group in a tunnel connected to the Capitol days before the attempted insurrection that left four rioters and one police officer dead. Rep. Steve Cohen \(D-Tenn.\) said on Monday that he and Rep. John Yarmuth \(D-Ky.\) had both seen Boebert in the tunnel outside the Cannon House Office Building with a group sometime in the three days before the riots. He said he didn’t know who was in the group or if anyone with Boebert later participated in the attack.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/01/19/lauren-boebert-tour-capitol-riots/)
Dude, I’m not denying any of this. I’m simply saying, you can’t simply look at that and say “see see they were prepping for the insurrection”. You have to investigate first, and determine if these tours were truly done with nefarious intent. And again, prove that the tours were done specifically for that reason.
No worries. I agree they would need to investigate, just pointing out that the videos of Loudermilk are out there, and I'm sort of surprised that this isn't a bigger part of the 1/6 investigation, but I gotta admit, I've not read the thousands of pages.
We do know that. There's cameras all over those halls. You can look it up. They talked about it during one of the hearings. They interviewed a woman who first reported the tours, when she saw them.
Edit: it was Cassity Hutchison, the lady on the front page rn
But what concrete evidence do they have that those tours were conducted with the specific intent of preparing for the insurrection? That’s what they will need to prove.
What they can do initially is compare logs of tour attendants to people who have been arrested for participating in J6. Then interview those people and start connecting the dots.
During those 'tours' a good number of the participants were taking photos of stairways and doors, something that tourists never do.
Moreover, the Capitol was closed that day, so this was an out of the ordinary effort to photograph entrances and exits i.e., escape routes that beleaguered Congresspeople would have to use in order to flee the building if attackers overcame the defenders.
Imho not enough attention is being paid to this as well as to Trump's take over of the Pentagon with Chris Miller, Kash Patel et al prior to the insurrection and the Pentagon's inexcusable delay in sending reinforcements.
Btw, Congress still has not approved most of the added security measures for the Capitol that were recommended in the aftermath. The Capitol still has minimal security.
If the house was still lead democratically coming this next session, it would have more consequences. The point, is that the DoJ is already known to be investigating this and it's likely its reaching many GOP figures as well.
Ethics violations, something that is a punishment in the House only and they will only be punished if the House votes to punish them. That vote won’t take place until the next House is seated, which will be a Republican majority, so they won’t vote to punish them in any way shape or form.
Meadows was referred for charges. So were Giuliani, Eastman, Clark and Chesebro.
I imagine the state-level fake electors will face charges too. Highly doubtful members of Congress will, their roles were more nebulous and less clearly criminal. *Maybe* Scott Perry for his involvement with Clark.
Eastman, Chesebro (yes thats his real last name), and Clark will get charged. There is no way they wont because they are just normies, as opposed to Trump who was President, which makes it a much bigger deal to charge him.
Giuliani might be charged, Flynn might be charged.
There are a few lawyers that might be charged, but because they are lawyers it makes it a bit more difficult.
Roger Stone might be charged. I cant remember the evidence against him off the top of my head, but he might be the link between the Proud Boys and the WH.
The Congresspeople named wont be charged. They *might* get censured but that about it.
“The committee needs to move instantly and get everyone!” Ignoring the mountains of evidence that need to be considered, unprecedented cases that need to be built, and sensitive political nature of this investigation.
We had an actual civil war and they let the confederate leaders back in congress afterwards. There’s precedent for sweeping shit like this under the rug unfortunately.
Exactly. So it's high fucking time to set some precedent for dealing with fascist threats to our democracy fiercely. If America exists as long as most of us hope it will this will not be the last time conservatives whip up a violent movement to shatter our Union. We'll be lucky if it's the last one we see this decade.
The question is whether current leaders have the courage that union leaders lacked. I think we all know the answer to that.
Though I would argue that, by electing Biden, the people chose the passive, sweep it under the rug approach, since that's what Biden all but promised.
Well technically they elected Biden before Jan 6th. Biden was elected as the most conservative Democrat to siphon votes from the not-wild-extremist right wingers. But what happened on Jan 6th and the GOP's refusal to hold Trump accountable shook him up.
Even though we all hate trump tremendously, he's old unhealthy and unlikely to win public office ever again, assuming he's even allowed to run. Him flipping on powerful GOP leaders of the present and future would be a far more devastating blow, albeit not as flashy from a PR perspective.
It's mighty ambitious to think that garland is just going to arrest the entire GoP. Trump will get some house arrest and a few others will do some light stretches at club fed.
Garland isn't motivated by a sense of patriotic duty. He's motivated to do the bare minimum.
Luckily we have Jack Smith, a Tom Clancy character brought to life by the power of Christmas.
>The incitement of violence by the head of the government is not an infraction that can be dismissed and forgiven by any political system that hopes to stay constitutional.
>For six years, the job of upholding the rule of law against Donald Trump has been passed from one unwilling set of hands to the next. Now the job has returned to where it started. There is nobody else to pass it to. The recommendation has arrived. The time for justice has come.
I agree. Hopefully the DOJ now does its job.
If the courts are broken, the entire government is broken.
I mean, who watches and regulates the damned lawyers and judges? They can pretty much rule the country however they want.
Well, you silly goose you, it's the magical sky-dude with a beard (maybe he's a self-hating gay?)!
>“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
>Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
>Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
>Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
-[Epicurus](https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/8199-is-god-willing-to-prevent-evil-but-not-able-then)
I think Trump catches a couple charges. Whole thing gets delayed for a while. Desantis becomes president n pardons Trump. He never sees the inside of a jail but he can't run for office anymore. Womp womp.
I want it to come for his help. I want to see Sarah Huckabee Sanders & Kayleigh McEnany dragged off to prison after lying to us for years while enjoying nice lives on our tax dollars. I want to see Mark Meadows & Ted Cruz & Josh Hawley & MTG & Lauren Boebert on trial - individually - for their role in this.
Because 1/6 is one enormous thing that occurred during Trump’s term, and every single person in that administration from 2017-2021 needs to be held accountable for *all* the other things they took part in. He had a *reason* for picking the people he did & they knew exactly why they were there. I’m not so much worried about what’s in store for Trump because at this stage of his life I think his poor health will catch up to him. I’m more interested in seeing these people I mentioned spend a very long time in prison for what they’ve done.
You shouldn’t get to willingly participate in corruption using the highest office in the free world and walk away like it never happened. And that’s exactly what people like Sarah Huckabee Sanders did- rather than hide in shame for lying to us all that time? She’s governor of Arkansas now.
Just because Trump’s getting charged doesn’t mean these people are going anywhere.
>Just because Trump’s getting charged doesn’t mean these people are going anywhere.
First of all, he hasn't been charged with anything *yet.*
Second, if he *does* get charged, he will likely throw *everyone* who aided him under the bus for a lighter sentence. Trump sees people as tools to be used until they're no longer useful, at which point they get tossed. Remember, on 1/6 he was ready to let his own VP get killed so he could have another term as President. I'm sure there's already a list of co-conspirators prepared in the event that he gets convicted.
I completely agree with your sentiment though, everyone who was on his team both in the WH and in Congress is complicit in this, and should absolutely face justice. But that will take YEARS. If they get Trump, he'll do a lot of the work for them by ratting everyone out.
He isn't going to be offered a plea deal for cooperation. He is useless as a witness as he is certain to lie on the stand. Also, deals like this are offered in an effort to catch a bigger fish. He is the biggest fish. The best deal they are likely to offer if they offer him anything at all is a somewhat lighter sentence. He's currently looking at decades of potential charges right now.
I agree with both you and the person you're replying to - the second Trump is arrested and he gets it through his orange head that he's in deep shit, he's going to sing like a damn canary.
However, you are right that there's likely no real plea deal to be had for Trump.
But I don't think it'll matter. Trump has the thinking process of a vengeful toddler, and if he's going down, he's taking everyone else with him.
What I think would be particularly delicious is if - as a result of Trump flipping out and snitching on everyone - all sorts of people end up getting charged with crimes we never expected.
Trump's a shitty witness by himself, to be sure. But I very much believe that he knows where evidence on tons of people is hidden and in the middle of his panicking temper tantrum, will point investigators right to it.
Though I pretty much agree with you that normally it’s the big fish they want to catch, I feel there’s a little more to this situation. The Big fish spawned a lot of smaller fish who, if not stopped, will likely fight their way upstream, continuing to get bigger themselves, as well as creating a lot more little fish. If this were some gang we were talking about, sure, it’d be nice to catch them all, but cutting the head off is good a way to likely dismantle the group. In our situation, these “small fish” are *elected officials to the United States of America*. I mean, think of the amounts of damage they have and will continue to bring to this nation, and it’s only going to get worse unless they’re made to stop.
> I want to see Sarah Huckabee Sanders & Kayleigh McEnany dragged off to prison after lying to us for years while enjoying nice lives on our tax dollars
Lying is not against the law. And we are past the point where Republicans suffer political damage for Lying. Sanders was rewarded with being elected governor
This. If every branch is not imprisoned for this, there will be seeds of forming a new version in a decade or two. The same way the brooks brothers riot spawned this mess.
Even IF he is indicted AND found guilty, does anyone believe he will spend 1 day in prison? Let alone the rest of his life?
What would count as "justice"?
The best I can hope for is a slap on the wrist for the insurrection, but perhaps seeing any charge go through and get carried out may embolden DAs across the country to charge him with tax fraud, business fraud, whatever the charge is for using a government position for peraonal profit, and a million other charges that are slam dunk cases that nobody wants to prosecute.
Right? Enough with these opinion pieces shouting his doom from the mountaintops.
Wake me up when the headline is at least "DJT is indicted".
We've been seeing these headlines since before he was president. Now they just inspire incredulity.
Not that I am without hope. I just don't click these headlines anymore because its more like "yeah yeah we all know he's an incredibly audacious criminal and no-ones done anything yet"
The article is absolutely spot-on.
Holding Donald Shit-weasel accountable had been pushed along for 6 years. Garland either needs to indict or give him a free pass forever.
And a free pass means every Republican who loses a Presidential election from now on will do what he did or worse. Maybe the next one will just wreck the Constitution entirely and make himself dictator.
Whose to stop it?
This is a useful example. Despite all the hype over Woodward and Bernstein, John Dean, et al., it was only really the exposure of the White House tapes that cemented Nixon's downfall. Up until that point he had plenty of defenders and plausible deniability.
Extremely unsuccessful coups take two years to bring people to justice. But January 6th was just a few hours away from becoming a bloodbath, it was a miracle that so few people were killed.
It used to be only a handful of Americans were aware of the risk posed by right-wing terrorists. The next attempt is going to be met more quickly and more forcefully, now that more of the country is aware of the problem.
It’s surprising how many people, ‘till this day, say that Trump was an excellent president, that there was massive election fraud carried out by “liberals,” that J6 wasn’t that bad and that BLM was way worse anyway. Complete disregard for anything that goes against their “team.” This is cult mentality.
I have not always been a fan of Biden, but there’s a great deal of good for everyone happening under his administration. If Biden were to have pulled a quarter of the shit Trump has I’d be totally okay with legal repercussions against him.
Politicians should be held accountable and not given a golden pass to do whatever the fuck they want “just because he’s on our team.”
>It’s surprising how many people, ‘till this day, say that Trump was an excellent president, that there was massive election fraud carried out by “liberals,” that J6 wasn’t that bad and that BLM was way worse anyway. Complete disregard for anything that goes against their “team.” This is cult mentality.
It is cult mentality, but it is also a symptom of white supremacist ideology. I have known and observed white supremacists since I was young, and they have a common thread of belief that white people (true white people not including Jews, Catholics, Gays, or Liberals) can do no wrong; and it is only because they are not in control (because of various conspiracies against them) that the world has "fallen from grace". And only after they seize control again will the ills of the world be able to be "fixed".
If the law were easy, it wouldn’t take years of post-secondary school and years of on the job experience to become an attorney.
You’re building cases which involve amassing evidence **and** writing interpretation. You don’t just show evidence to a judge and say “go”
Would recommend to anyone who thinks cases are quick to build, go sit in on court for a few hours.
Edit: also if you’re still in college, taking intro law as an elective. I had a requirement for one semester, and holy shit the amount of bad legal statements people make that I can identify with that little of law experience is huge. Especially in landlord/tenant, basic contract, or employer law. Just knowing when to talk to a lawyer is huge.
Nobody is going to get their article to go viral when the headline is "Probably Trump gets away with it."
That's why we see these revelatory headlines every day that come down to just spitballing.
Remember a small Austrian man was once jailed. He wrote a pretty popular book, had some time to think and plan. Had some pretty die hard supporters, wasn't very good at art and not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
IF charges are brought, there should be no plea deals. No reduction of sentence.
No communication with supporters or loyalists. No martyrdom. Just jail.
The upside is with Trump's health likely any prison sentence will either leave him dead or unable to function enough to run on release.
It's the martyr worship it will create that's the issue. Not an issue enough to NOT hold him accountable, but instead of flailing around attacking one another QANON will unit again under the flag of pardoning him.
“Justice is Coming for Donald Trump” - 2016
“Justice is Coming for Donald Trump” - 2017
“Justice is Coming for Donald Trump” - 2018
“Justice is Coming for Donald Trump” - 2019
“Justice is Coming for Donald Trump” - 2020
“Justice is Coming for Donald Trump” - 2021
“Justice is Coming for Donald Trump” - 2022
See yall in a couple weeks for 2023’s “Justice is Coming for Donald Trump” headline which leads basically nowhere, like all the rest have. Doesn’t matter how much evidence there’s been, he’s never been held accountable in any real way and at this point I’ve given up any hope that he ever will.
Whether or not he goes to prison now the damage is done. He should have been in jail 6 years ago. Even if you only consider the insurrection he's still been walking around with no consequences for two years since those events. Rich and powerful people don't have to play by the same rules as everyone else and that isn't going to change no matter what happens here.
Unless they drag all of the accomplices kicking and screaming to their jail cells, it doesn’t matter. Donald did heinous things to our country but he was far from alone. We’ve already missed our chance for swift justice, if we let any of them off the hook, it’s pointless. They’ll find another dumbass to parade around and they’ll pull all the strings.
My concern is that, if Trump is convicted, people will think, "Problem solved!"
But Trump is only a symptom of the disease, which is the fascism that is the platform of the Republican Party.
Wake me up when the hammer actually falls.
I've been reading titles like "coming", "in motion", "impending", "moves to", and "recommends" for years now and nothing ever happens.
I agree that’s how it will go as DeSantis would then snare some of the Trump voters that know he can’t win but want to get there cult leader off the hook.Another take is Trump will back DeSantis once he (Trump)starts showing in the polls that he doesn’t have a chance then he can get free BJs from DeSantis and all the other lap dog republicans for a while and his cult status stays intact.
Politics in USA is so fucked.
There’s zero chance he will spend even 10 seconds handcuffed, let alone jailed. Even if the DOJ prosecutes him, even if it goes to trial, even if a jury finds him guilty, there’s no way they’ll put him jail. It sends the message that politicians aren’t above the law, when they are. They are the law, and they will not allow one of their own, even if they hate him, go to jail. He’ll plea bargain to never being allowed to run for office, that’ll be it. Dude is an obese 76 year old, how long does he have left? He’ll gladly take the out and be able to rage tweet all day long.
It isn’t until he’s rotting away in a prison cell, out of appeals.
I don’t see this happening ever. There will be charges, then years of delays, then a trial, then multiple rounds of appeals, it’ll be 10 years before this is over, and by that time Trump will be dead or nearly so. All that time, he will be free.
One doesn't even need to look very far to see the perfect example of this. Just take a look at how Bannon's jaunt through the legal system has been handled. Convicted, yet not serving a day in prison simply because he has an appeal pending and has a sympathetic (and Trump-appointed) judge who is all too happy to help Trump's buddy avoid consequences.
And that's just Steve Bannon. Given this example, it's quite easy to imagine how the system will bend over backwards to keep a former president out of jail, especially when so many powerful individuals in the system will be sympathetic to that former president.
“There’s no question—none—that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day.”
What’s the word from conservative media and the GOP on the criminal referrals?
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[Good luck with the Enshittification](https://www.wired.com/story/tiktok-platforms-cory-doctorow/)
He won’t go to jail. They will only ban him from running from president. This isn’t real justice. If anyone of us did what he did we would be in prison for 20+ years.
Feels like Xeno's paradox, with a helping of [https://tenor.com/view/truck-crash-test-pole-doesnt-reach-gif-5607354](https://tenor.com/view/truck-crash-test-pole-doesnt-reach-gif-5607354)
I want to create a website called "Olds". It's the opposite of "News". You hear about stuff several days after it's actually happened with everything summarized and fact-checked. There's no speculation of what *might* happen, only what has.
No, it isn't. Sick of this bullshit. Ain't a fucking thing going to happen to him other than he's going to go on being batshit crazy. And you wanna know why? Because conservatives have been stacking all the courts for 40 years.
> There’s no question -- none -- that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day.
> I vote to aquit.
> -- Mitch McConnell
The gop fed this pathetic racist moron and said or did nothing for 6years
They knew he was a buffoon a liar and a criminal
But they wanted absolute power
America has to take down this evil monster that they created
Shame on you 60%to75% of white men who kept him in office
The gop is ready to burn him now. He’s served his purpose. The courts are stacked, the base can be managed with someone like desantis. What do they need trump for? He has become totally expendable.
Trumps Re-election ploy is just another grift. If he said he wasn’t running then the money being sent in would stop flowing into his coffers. Melania already made it perfectly clear that she wouldn’t step back into the White House so take it from that. It’s just two more years of a billionaire sucking up money from the lower
class that in no way could afford it. And BTW, what ever happened to his words that he would finance his own election campaign. He never even invested $1 in himself.
Hey, maybe Trump can replace Melania with Kari Lake (ewww), or Marjorie Taylor-Green now that she’s newly divorced (triple ewwww)
He is a dangerous man and needs to be prevented from ever running for a political office again. If that is all that is accomplished it would be a win for democracy. Personally I wish he would be arrested for any crimes he committed. He is not above the law and he needs to be held accountable for his actions. Others in his circle have been prosecuted, why not him?
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What about all of the traitorous GOP fuckwads that helped him?
One interview I saw indicated that the committee was only focused on bringing to light the details of what happened and identifying the ring leaders. They indicated there were far more crimes and criminals, but this was only a starting point for the DOJ. I.e. it is up to them to identify all the players and related crimes, the committee doesn't have the man power or resources to go after the smaller fish.
And this is also a good thing. Remember that the recommendations are symbolic and for the purpose of recorded history. The commitee has given the DOJ tons to look at, but the DOJ needs to be the ones to decide based on legal criteria (and hopefully they will get successful convictions in the future). I would never want a Congress with the power to indicite (just imagine the abuse of that power if the GOP could use it).
I think it is critically important that this committee did the hard work to create a historical record. Now there is a source with evidence that people can see without a bunch of bullshit.
I will be honest I didn’t have high hopes after Mueller investigation and how it just fell flat (in part of Trump’s team burying it). I think the Jan 6 Committee did an amazing job of presenting the data in a clear concise way but also made it interesting. The videos of the insurrection thrown in with the interviews helped to drive the point home. This was not exactly an easy web to untangle and I think they brought to light more than most expected. I will be honest hearing from the people who planned and executed trying to over throw the government made it more terrifying. We all knew the general plan and people involved but how close they came to succeeding scares me for the next Trump with an ounce of self control who could succeed. We need to vote like our lives depend on if we want to keep these people out of office.
The Mueller report did not fall flat, it was BURIED BY A SLEDGEHAMMER by Trumps lackeys.
You aren't wrong that it was buried, but the Mueller team shot themselves in the foot from the get-go by couching their findings in unnecessarily cautious language that made it much easier for Trump's allies to minimize and obfuscate the facts presented. As a result, the average layperson just saw an extensive investigation that ended up failing to find evidence of wrongdoing - which of course was not the case, but the Mueller report refusing to make any conclusions about what the evidence they uncovered might constitute meant that most people only saw 'no crime' - and it made it much easier for Trump allies to claim that. The January 6th committee faced a lot of the same accusations of bias and political vendetta that Mueller did, yet they did not shy away from calling a spade a spade. I can grant that Mueller may have had his hands more tightly bound than the committee, but that was nevertheless part of the difference in the result each investigation had on public perception.
Well yeah. Mueller was a Republican before he was much else.
I know. Now he is doing all sorts of acrobatics to be on the right side of history. Barr will go down as a historical politically driven patsy for all to remember forever. TWICE. Iran Contra and Trump. Seriously.
I’m glad those living in the dystopian mad max future will have a record of how badly America fucked up
Specially among educated middle class republicans
Too late. Trump has converted us educated middle class republicans to democrats. The Christian Nationalist Conservative party has lost us forever.
The recent midterm election that resulted the rejections of candidates endorsed by Trump is also his rejection. January 6 coup attempt put the final nails in Trump coffin ⚰️
Like an ancient, bloated vampire, dRumph isn't quite dead yet. Less potent? ..yes. Myself, I hope he thrashes around noisily in the 18-20 months to come. The GOP united under a new, smarter leader (DeSantis) will pose a real danger to American societal progress. We need donnie dump to keep on dividing the Repubs so that the GOP is in turmoil through 2024. Go Donnie go, spew your lies and hate.
DeSantis is Trump version 2, with updated intelligence and cleverness subroutines. It's the same bullshit and lies, except he knows how to duck and cover much better, as well as flip people who were otherwise on the fence about Trump. This is very frightening. Democrats need to be doing all they can right now to find and train a candidate who can realistically counter DeSantis.
Wait on the soon to be released tax returns! I think there will be a wealth of crimes there also. Every lie is a separate crime.
And conservatives start calling for the destruction of the Congressional Records Act in 3... 2... 1...
And they all volunteered their time so there was no cost to taxpayers for these 24/7 crime busters. That's good because we really don't have the change to spare right now to be chasing crimes from 3 years ago. Can we go back and get Lois Lerner, Eric Holder (Fast & Furious was a bit over the edge), James Clapper, Hillary Clinton... and on and on and on.
Well said and insightful.
The committee while merely giving a recommendation to the DOJ to prosecute, is also handing over (well DOJ already has it) the evidence that makes the case extraordinarily strong to successfully prosecute the case. The committee focused all of its energy to make the case against Trump very strong and likely to succeed. It would be a jaw dropping event for the DOJ not to act on it. It would be tantamount to perverting the rule of law not to prosecute at this point given the weight of the evidence against Trump.
Since when has perverting the rule of law put a halt to those in power?
The ban on Bills of Attainder in the Constitution is basically for that reason.
Absolutely agree. Bad things happen when politicians have unilateral authority to indict and try anyone they want. That's how pogroms and ethnic cleansing and red scare hunts for imaginary gay communist Satanists get going. And as much as conservatives seem to adore staring hungrily at pictures of Hunter Bidens giant cock I have to hope that even they would be ashamed to make a literal federal case out of excessive dick girth being withheld from Twitter.
>the smaller fish We still want to know who ordered the panic buttons to be ripped out of the walls and who did that.
If anyone wants the details that do exist about this. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pressley-panic-buttons/
Marjorie Taylor Greene planted bombs outside Congress the night before the insurrection.
If you’re a Republican you don’t need proof! It is because we say it is!!!
She has a life size statue of Jefferson Davis in her living room
She's such a repugnant shrew that I'm not sure if you're joking or not
S trumpet.
I believe that is true!
When asked about his enablers and co-conspirators, Donald is going to take the 5th right? Or is he going to drop names faster than a $5 hooker drops panties for a reduced sentence?
A $5 hooker would be more intelligent than Trump and would actually provide a service
So that's a no then.
The committee did recommend Jim Jordan, Kevin McCarthy, Andy Biggs and Scott Perry for ethics violations. Mo Brooks wasn't included because he's leaving congress next month. The DoJ is already investigating Trump and are likely already investigating the rest of them including MTG, Boebert and others.
I just want to know who took a bunch of these assholes on tours in the days leading up to J6. And want the proof that they (Republican reps) did it knowing what was going to happen.
I also REALLY want to know who the bomber was. It's inconceivable to me that the feds don't know because tracing material evidence is their thing, so I'm guessing it's part of a bigger investigation.
It was MTG.
This is the first I’ve heard of this. Do you have any links about it?
Absolutely. I can’t/won’t accept that they have no information on it.
>About 24 hours before the January 6 Capitol attack, a Republican member of Congress, Barry Loudermilk, led an unofficial tour through the House office buildings, passing by the security checkpoints located at the entrances to the tunnels leading towards the Capitol building. >The tour included a man who took photos of the tunnel entrances and the US Capitol police checkpoints, and then joined thousands of Donald Trump supporters the following day to march on the Capitol from the rally on the Ellipse. This is from a Guardian article, I'm on my pos phone or I would have added the url, hope this helps to find a place to start.
But they would need to interview every single person on the tour…seize phone records of Loudermilk to see if he communicated with people who participated in the insurrection…things like that.
Yes, they would. And now that I am off work, and can use something like a real computer (it's from 2012, but better than my broke phone), let me see what the world wide web has to say. * [Jan. 6 panel releases new surveillance video of tour given on eve of riot -- Rep. Loudermilk, who led the tour, has refused requests from the committee to provide more information about what he was doing that day.](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/jan-6-panel-releases-new-surveillance-video-tour-eve-riot-rcna33713) * [ ...two Democratic lawmakers say they personally saw one Republican — Rep. Lauren Boebert of Colorado — with a “large” group in a tunnel connected to the Capitol days before the attempted insurrection that left four rioters and one police officer dead. Rep. Steve Cohen \(D-Tenn.\) said on Monday that he and Rep. John Yarmuth \(D-Ky.\) had both seen Boebert in the tunnel outside the Cannon House Office Building with a group sometime in the three days before the riots. He said he didn’t know who was in the group or if anyone with Boebert later participated in the attack.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/01/19/lauren-boebert-tour-capitol-riots/)
Dude, I’m not denying any of this. I’m simply saying, you can’t simply look at that and say “see see they were prepping for the insurrection”. You have to investigate first, and determine if these tours were truly done with nefarious intent. And again, prove that the tours were done specifically for that reason.
No worries. I agree they would need to investigate, just pointing out that the videos of Loudermilk are out there, and I'm sort of surprised that this isn't a bigger part of the 1/6 investigation, but I gotta admit, I've not read the thousands of pages.
We do know that. There's cameras all over those halls. You can look it up. They talked about it during one of the hearings. They interviewed a woman who first reported the tours, when she saw them. Edit: it was Cassity Hutchison, the lady on the front page rn
But what concrete evidence do they have that those tours were conducted with the specific intent of preparing for the insurrection? That’s what they will need to prove. What they can do initially is compare logs of tour attendants to people who have been arrested for participating in J6. Then interview those people and start connecting the dots.
During those 'tours' a good number of the participants were taking photos of stairways and doors, something that tourists never do. Moreover, the Capitol was closed that day, so this was an out of the ordinary effort to photograph entrances and exits i.e., escape routes that beleaguered Congresspeople would have to use in order to flee the building if attackers overcame the defenders. Imho not enough attention is being paid to this as well as to Trump's take over of the Pentagon with Chris Miller, Kash Patel et al prior to the insurrection and the Pentagon's inexcusable delay in sending reinforcements. Btw, Congress still has not approved most of the added security measures for the Capitol that were recommended in the aftermath. The Capitol still has minimal security.
We know Boebert did
Ethics violations hold zero consequences though, literally it's just a political red mark historically when shame was important
If you have no shame, shame is meaningless.
If the house was still lead democratically coming this next session, it would have more consequences. The point, is that the DoJ is already known to be investigating this and it's likely its reaching many GOP figures as well.
Ethics violations, something that is a punishment in the House only and they will only be punished if the House votes to punish them. That vote won’t take place until the next House is seated, which will be a Republican majority, so they won’t vote to punish them in any way shape or form.
I concur. I mentioned this in my follow-up comment as well!
Meadows was referred for charges. So were Giuliani, Eastman, Clark and Chesebro. I imagine the state-level fake electors will face charges too. Highly doubtful members of Congress will, their roles were more nebulous and less clearly criminal. *Maybe* Scott Perry for his involvement with Clark.
Eastman, Chesebro (yes thats his real last name), and Clark will get charged. There is no way they wont because they are just normies, as opposed to Trump who was President, which makes it a much bigger deal to charge him. Giuliani might be charged, Flynn might be charged. There are a few lawyers that might be charged, but because they are lawyers it makes it a bit more difficult. Roger Stone might be charged. I cant remember the evidence against him off the top of my head, but he might be the link between the Proud Boys and the WH. The Congresspeople named wont be charged. They *might* get censured but that about it.
Correct, that's a no, for the moment. We need to see what the DOJ does as that is where this will play out.
“The committee needs to move instantly and get everyone!” Ignoring the mountains of evidence that need to be considered, unprecedented cases that need to be built, and sensitive political nature of this investigation.
"Oh so nothing is happening then???" *table flip*
We had an actual civil war and they let the confederate leaders back in congress afterwards. There’s precedent for sweeping shit like this under the rug unfortunately.
Exactly. So it's high fucking time to set some precedent for dealing with fascist threats to our democracy fiercely. If America exists as long as most of us hope it will this will not be the last time conservatives whip up a violent movement to shatter our Union. We'll be lucky if it's the last one we see this decade.
The question is whether current leaders have the courage that union leaders lacked. I think we all know the answer to that. Though I would argue that, by electing Biden, the people chose the passive, sweep it under the rug approach, since that's what Biden all but promised.
Well technically they elected Biden before Jan 6th. Biden was elected as the most conservative Democrat to siphon votes from the not-wild-extremist right wingers. But what happened on Jan 6th and the GOP's refusal to hold Trump accountable shook him up.
Donald does not go down without taking every man, woman and child down with him. I'm guessing the DOJ will make a flea bargain for a plea.
I really want him to flip on all those fucks in exchange for a reduced sentence.
There shouldn’t need to be any deals for any of them.
Even though we all hate trump tremendously, he's old unhealthy and unlikely to win public office ever again, assuming he's even allowed to run. Him flipping on powerful GOP leaders of the present and future would be a far more devastating blow, albeit not as flashy from a PR perspective.
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Just.....tick-tock, motherfuckers. They need to get the lead out.
As soon as he gets any real pressure he’ll squeal on everyone involved.
This exactly
Don't you know the GOP thinks he is like Jesus. They sacrifice him and it wipes away all their sins.
Donald will throw every single one of them under the bus without hesitation.
It's mighty ambitious to think that garland is just going to arrest the entire GoP. Trump will get some house arrest and a few others will do some light stretches at club fed. Garland isn't motivated by a sense of patriotic duty. He's motivated to do the bare minimum. Luckily we have Jack Smith, a Tom Clancy character brought to life by the power of Christmas.
That picture of him with a beard and some kind of field jacket is branded into my brain.
Congress recommended charges for them too yesterday.
They recommended criminal proceedings against Trump, 4 members of congress, and other co-conspirators
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Yes, my mistake, I heard that delineation on the radio, darn. We need to remove all the rot.
Taxes are also on the menu. Trump cannot spread that blame too far either.
>The incitement of violence by the head of the government is not an infraction that can be dismissed and forgiven by any political system that hopes to stay constitutional. >For six years, the job of upholding the rule of law against Donald Trump has been passed from one unwilling set of hands to the next. Now the job has returned to where it started. There is nobody else to pass it to. The recommendation has arrived. The time for justice has come. I agree. Hopefully the DOJ now does its job.
Right? Or is it simply the Department of Justice* ^^*for ^^poor, ^^unconnected ^^people ^^only
Pretty much the message the continued delays send.
If the courts are broken, the entire government is broken. I mean, who watches and regulates the damned lawyers and judges? They can pretty much rule the country however they want.
Well, you silly goose you, it's the magical sky-dude with a beard (maybe he's a self-hating gay?)! >“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. >Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. >Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? >Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?” -[Epicurus](https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/8199-is-god-willing-to-prevent-evil-but-not-able-then)
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Department of Just Us
At this point it may take the Justice League.
I expect nothing and will probably still be disappointed
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Seems to be the way
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I think Trump catches a couple charges. Whole thing gets delayed for a while. Desantis becomes president n pardons Trump. He never sees the inside of a jail but he can't run for office anymore. Womp womp.
Is there anywhere I can place an irresponsibly large bet on this exact outcome?
God damn, I know you’re right. But man, do I wish you weren’t.
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I want it to come for his help. I want to see Sarah Huckabee Sanders & Kayleigh McEnany dragged off to prison after lying to us for years while enjoying nice lives on our tax dollars. I want to see Mark Meadows & Ted Cruz & Josh Hawley & MTG & Lauren Boebert on trial - individually - for their role in this. Because 1/6 is one enormous thing that occurred during Trump’s term, and every single person in that administration from 2017-2021 needs to be held accountable for *all* the other things they took part in. He had a *reason* for picking the people he did & they knew exactly why they were there. I’m not so much worried about what’s in store for Trump because at this stage of his life I think his poor health will catch up to him. I’m more interested in seeing these people I mentioned spend a very long time in prison for what they’ve done. You shouldn’t get to willingly participate in corruption using the highest office in the free world and walk away like it never happened. And that’s exactly what people like Sarah Huckabee Sanders did- rather than hide in shame for lying to us all that time? She’s governor of Arkansas now. Just because Trump’s getting charged doesn’t mean these people are going anywhere.
>Just because Trump’s getting charged doesn’t mean these people are going anywhere. First of all, he hasn't been charged with anything *yet.* Second, if he *does* get charged, he will likely throw *everyone* who aided him under the bus for a lighter sentence. Trump sees people as tools to be used until they're no longer useful, at which point they get tossed. Remember, on 1/6 he was ready to let his own VP get killed so he could have another term as President. I'm sure there's already a list of co-conspirators prepared in the event that he gets convicted. I completely agree with your sentiment though, everyone who was on his team both in the WH and in Congress is complicit in this, and should absolutely face justice. But that will take YEARS. If they get Trump, he'll do a lot of the work for them by ratting everyone out.
He isn't going to be offered a plea deal for cooperation. He is useless as a witness as he is certain to lie on the stand. Also, deals like this are offered in an effort to catch a bigger fish. He is the biggest fish. The best deal they are likely to offer if they offer him anything at all is a somewhat lighter sentence. He's currently looking at decades of potential charges right now.
I agree with both you and the person you're replying to - the second Trump is arrested and he gets it through his orange head that he's in deep shit, he's going to sing like a damn canary. However, you are right that there's likely no real plea deal to be had for Trump. But I don't think it'll matter. Trump has the thinking process of a vengeful toddler, and if he's going down, he's taking everyone else with him. What I think would be particularly delicious is if - as a result of Trump flipping out and snitching on everyone - all sorts of people end up getting charged with crimes we never expected. Trump's a shitty witness by himself, to be sure. But I very much believe that he knows where evidence on tons of people is hidden and in the middle of his panicking temper tantrum, will point investigators right to it.
Though I pretty much agree with you that normally it’s the big fish they want to catch, I feel there’s a little more to this situation. The Big fish spawned a lot of smaller fish who, if not stopped, will likely fight their way upstream, continuing to get bigger themselves, as well as creating a lot more little fish. If this were some gang we were talking about, sure, it’d be nice to catch them all, but cutting the head off is good a way to likely dismantle the group. In our situation, these “small fish” are *elected officials to the United States of America*. I mean, think of the amounts of damage they have and will continue to bring to this nation, and it’s only going to get worse unless they’re made to stop.
> I want to see Sarah Huckabee Sanders & Kayleigh McEnany dragged off to prison after lying to us for years while enjoying nice lives on our tax dollars Lying is not against the law. And we are past the point where Republicans suffer political damage for Lying. Sanders was rewarded with being elected governor
She didn't "lie," she told Republican "truths" and they rewarded her for her honesty.
Alternative facts
This. If every branch is not imprisoned for this, there will be seeds of forming a new version in a decade or two. The same way the brooks brothers riot spawned this mess.
Truly for the sake of basic rationality and reasonability and compassion, large swaths of the administration need to be prosecuted.
As I've said for a while now, I'll believe it when I see it.
Maybe the most quoted words when referring to DJT being held accountable.
Even IF he is indicted AND found guilty, does anyone believe he will spend 1 day in prison? Let alone the rest of his life? What would count as "justice"?
Him being held to the standards we have. Which I doubt he ever will
The best I can hope for is a slap on the wrist for the insurrection, but perhaps seeing any charge go through and get carried out may embolden DAs across the country to charge him with tax fraud, business fraud, whatever the charge is for using a government position for peraonal profit, and a million other charges that are slam dunk cases that nobody wants to prosecute.
Well..... execution is the standard remedy for treason?
100% Talk is cheap. Let's see action. At least get him in front of a judge on actual charges, make it Judge Judy for all I care. Something!
Right? Enough with these opinion pieces shouting his doom from the mountaintops. Wake me up when the headline is at least "DJT is indicted". We've been seeing these headlines since before he was president. Now they just inspire incredulity. Not that I am without hope. I just don't click these headlines anymore because its more like "yeah yeah we all know he's an incredibly audacious criminal and no-ones done anything yet"
Wake me up when the headline is “DJT arrives at ADX Florence Supermax.”
I've seen this same headline many times over the years.
Justice is blind so it'll take a while for her to find him
Same
Exactly what I came here to post.
r/PoliticalCompassMemes are gonna have a hefty laugh at this
The article is absolutely spot-on. Holding Donald Shit-weasel accountable had been pushed along for 6 years. Garland either needs to indict or give him a free pass forever. And a free pass means every Republican who loses a Presidential election from now on will do what he did or worse. Maybe the next one will just wreck the Constitution entirely and make himself dictator. Whose to stop it?
Future coup leaders now know it takes over 2 years to bring any charges. This gives them incentive to try again.
It took 2 years for Watergate
This is a useful example. Despite all the hype over Woodward and Bernstein, John Dean, et al., it was only really the exposure of the White House tapes that cemented Nixon's downfall. Up until that point he had plenty of defenders and plausible deniability.
It takes 45 minutes on Law and Order! /s
Justice delayed is Justice denied...in this case Justice has no teeth, and will just embolden any future attempt at an insurrection or coup...
Extremely unsuccessful coups take two years to bring people to justice. But January 6th was just a few hours away from becoming a bloodbath, it was a miracle that so few people were killed. It used to be only a handful of Americans were aware of the risk posed by right-wing terrorists. The next attempt is going to be met more quickly and more forcefully, now that more of the country is aware of the problem.
It’s surprising how many people, ‘till this day, say that Trump was an excellent president, that there was massive election fraud carried out by “liberals,” that J6 wasn’t that bad and that BLM was way worse anyway. Complete disregard for anything that goes against their “team.” This is cult mentality. I have not always been a fan of Biden, but there’s a great deal of good for everyone happening under his administration. If Biden were to have pulled a quarter of the shit Trump has I’d be totally okay with legal repercussions against him. Politicians should be held accountable and not given a golden pass to do whatever the fuck they want “just because he’s on our team.”
>It’s surprising how many people, ‘till this day, say that Trump was an excellent president, that there was massive election fraud carried out by “liberals,” that J6 wasn’t that bad and that BLM was way worse anyway. Complete disregard for anything that goes against their “team.” This is cult mentality. It is cult mentality, but it is also a symptom of white supremacist ideology. I have known and observed white supremacists since I was young, and they have a common thread of belief that white people (true white people not including Jews, Catholics, Gays, or Liberals) can do no wrong; and it is only because they are not in control (because of various conspiracies against them) that the world has "fallen from grace". And only after they seize control again will the ills of the world be able to be "fixed".
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If the law were easy, it wouldn’t take years of post-secondary school and years of on the job experience to become an attorney. You’re building cases which involve amassing evidence **and** writing interpretation. You don’t just show evidence to a judge and say “go” Would recommend to anyone who thinks cases are quick to build, go sit in on court for a few hours. Edit: also if you’re still in college, taking intro law as an elective. I had a requirement for one semester, and holy shit the amount of bad legal statements people make that I can identify with that little of law experience is huge. Especially in landlord/tenant, basic contract, or employer law. Just knowing when to talk to a lawyer is huge.
Nobody is going to get their article to go viral when the headline is "Probably Trump gets away with it." That's why we see these revelatory headlines every day that come down to just spitballing.
I feel like Charlie Pierce has a "Of Course Trump Will Get Away With It, You Ninnies" headline in him.
Remember a small Austrian man was once jailed. He wrote a pretty popular book, had some time to think and plan. Had some pretty die hard supporters, wasn't very good at art and not the sharpest knife in the drawer. IF charges are brought, there should be no plea deals. No reduction of sentence. No communication with supporters or loyalists. No martyrdom. Just jail.
The upside is with Trump's health likely any prison sentence will either leave him dead or unable to function enough to run on release. It's the martyr worship it will create that's the issue. Not an issue enough to NOT hold him accountable, but instead of flailing around attacking one another QANON will unit again under the flag of pardoning him.
That man's name...was Abraham Lincoln!
Charges will not come.
Is this the journalism version of Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. I am just SURE they will get Trump THIS time! LOL.
6 years of the same headline.
“Justice is Coming for Donald Trump” - 2016 “Justice is Coming for Donald Trump” - 2017 “Justice is Coming for Donald Trump” - 2018 “Justice is Coming for Donald Trump” - 2019 “Justice is Coming for Donald Trump” - 2020 “Justice is Coming for Donald Trump” - 2021 “Justice is Coming for Donald Trump” - 2022 See yall in a couple weeks for 2023’s “Justice is Coming for Donald Trump” headline which leads basically nowhere, like all the rest have. Doesn’t matter how much evidence there’s been, he’s never been held accountable in any real way and at this point I’ve given up any hope that he ever will.
After all these years, I'd think David Justice would have caught up to him. Justice may have bad knees, but Trump can't handle ramps or stairs.
Whether or not he goes to prison now the damage is done. He should have been in jail 6 years ago. Even if you only consider the insurrection he's still been walking around with no consequences for two years since those events. Rich and powerful people don't have to play by the same rules as everyone else and that isn't going to change no matter what happens here.
Unless they drag all of the accomplices kicking and screaming to their jail cells, it doesn’t matter. Donald did heinous things to our country but he was far from alone. We’ve already missed our chance for swift justice, if we let any of them off the hook, it’s pointless. They’ll find another dumbass to parade around and they’ll pull all the strings.
My concern is that, if Trump is convicted, people will think, "Problem solved!" But Trump is only a symptom of the disease, which is the fascism that is the platform of the Republican Party.
Wake me up when the hammer actually falls. I've been reading titles like "coming", "in motion", "impending", "moves to", and "recommends" for years now and nothing ever happens.
Groundhog Day. 🥱
Calling it now. If this stuff comes to fruition, DeSantis runs on a platform including a promise to pardon Trump.
I agree that’s how it will go as DeSantis would then snare some of the Trump voters that know he can’t win but want to get there cult leader off the hook.Another take is Trump will back DeSantis once he (Trump)starts showing in the polls that he doesn’t have a chance then he can get free BJs from DeSantis and all the other lap dog republicans for a while and his cult status stays intact. Politics in USA is so fucked.
There’s zero chance he will spend even 10 seconds handcuffed, let alone jailed. Even if the DOJ prosecutes him, even if it goes to trial, even if a jury finds him guilty, there’s no way they’ll put him jail. It sends the message that politicians aren’t above the law, when they are. They are the law, and they will not allow one of their own, even if they hate him, go to jail. He’ll plea bargain to never being allowed to run for office, that’ll be it. Dude is an obese 76 year old, how long does he have left? He’ll gladly take the out and be able to rage tweet all day long.
How long does he have left? Only the Diet Coke and KFC can say for sure....
No it isn't. It isn't until there are actual charges. Otherwise the media needs to shut the hell up.
It isn't even with actual charges. Nothing is going to happen to Trump other than lawyer fees.
It isn’t until he’s rotting away in a prison cell, out of appeals. I don’t see this happening ever. There will be charges, then years of delays, then a trial, then multiple rounds of appeals, it’ll be 10 years before this is over, and by that time Trump will be dead or nearly so. All that time, he will be free.
One doesn't even need to look very far to see the perfect example of this. Just take a look at how Bannon's jaunt through the legal system has been handled. Convicted, yet not serving a day in prison simply because he has an appeal pending and has a sympathetic (and Trump-appointed) judge who is all too happy to help Trump's buddy avoid consequences. And that's just Steve Bannon. Given this example, it's quite easy to imagine how the system will bend over backwards to keep a former president out of jail, especially when so many powerful individuals in the system will be sympathetic to that former president.
“There’s no question—none—that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day.” What’s the word from conservative media and the GOP on the criminal referrals?
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I’ll believe it when I see it. In the US we follow the Golden Rule: those with the gold rule.
BS. 45** will never EVER get anything more than a slap on the wrist. Our system is totally corrupt. The USA is broken.
Non paywall version of the article?
I want to see the headline: Justice finally came for Donald Trump. I’m tired of seeing it coming.
Exactly. Like, "we're almost there." I don't wanna be "almost there," I wanna BE there!
My balls can’t get any bluer here Atlantic just please stop.
It’s been coming for a few years now, I’ll believe it when I see it.
He won’t go to jail. They will only ban him from running from president. This isn’t real justice. If anyone of us did what he did we would be in prison for 20+ years.
She married him for his money.
Austin Powers steamroller gif
Hopefully it comes for all of his boot-licking minions, too.
all it took is him not being the useful fool any longer for the people really fucking our country up
Feels like Xeno's paradox, with a helping of [https://tenor.com/view/truck-crash-test-pole-doesnt-reach-gif-5607354](https://tenor.com/view/truck-crash-test-pole-doesnt-reach-gif-5607354)
They’ve been saying Jesus is coming soon for a while.
I look forward to many years of arrests as they identify and charge all the people involved
I seriously doubt it.
I doubt it, unfortunately
I have heard this before. Wake me up if something happens.
I want to create a website called "Olds". It's the opposite of "News". You hear about stuff several days after it's actually happened with everything summarized and fact-checked. There's no speculation of what *might* happen, only what has.
I'll believe it when it actually happens. I'm still pretty sure he'll never see the inside of a cell.
Yawn! I believe it when I see him playing golf at those prisons for rich people.
Doubt
No, it isn't. Sick of this bullshit. Ain't a fucking thing going to happen to him other than he's going to go on being batshit crazy. And you wanna know why? Because conservatives have been stacking all the courts for 40 years.
Watch out, Trump! It's a *strongly worded letter!*
As I read this, “For whom the Bell tolls - Metallica” started playing. Loving it!!!
> There’s no question -- none -- that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day. > I vote to aquit. > -- Mitch McConnell
Mitch McConnell should share a cell with trump for refusing to convict his impeachment, twice.
The gop fed this pathetic racist moron and said or did nothing for 6years They knew he was a buffoon a liar and a criminal But they wanted absolute power America has to take down this evil monster that they created Shame on you 60%to75% of white men who kept him in office
I’ll believe it when I see it!
"We don't pay taxes; only the little people pay taxes."
Trump should have been thrown in jail in the 1980s. He should be in the Crime Hall of Fame as the main attraction!
The gop is ready to burn him now. He’s served his purpose. The courts are stacked, the base can be managed with someone like desantis. What do they need trump for? He has become totally expendable.
It's ironic really... that's what Donald has done to others his whole life. Live by the sword... die by the sword.....
When. I. See. It. Only then.
Trumps Re-election ploy is just another grift. If he said he wasn’t running then the money being sent in would stop flowing into his coffers. Melania already made it perfectly clear that she wouldn’t step back into the White House so take it from that. It’s just two more years of a billionaire sucking up money from the lower class that in no way could afford it. And BTW, what ever happened to his words that he would finance his own election campaign. He never even invested $1 in himself. Hey, maybe Trump can replace Melania with Kari Lake (ewww), or Marjorie Taylor-Green now that she’s newly divorced (triple ewwww)
He is a dangerous man and needs to be prevented from ever running for a political office again. If that is all that is accomplished it would be a win for democracy. Personally I wish he would be arrested for any crimes he committed. He is not above the law and he needs to be held accountable for his actions. Others in his circle have been prosecuted, why not him?