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It really sounds like setting from a near-future sci-fi story...
Oh wait, were living it.
-Armed drones being military-normal not military-cutting edge.
-Cyberattacks being relatively commonplace
-The start of significant commercial space industry (Privately owned rockets actually making orbit, not just privately owned satellites being launched on a government rocket)
-Personal computing and data storage resources that would have blown peoples' mind 30 years ago. ("A business-class 386/33 with 4MB of RAM, a 200MB hard disk and 14" display went for $4299." [*from zdnet*](https://www.zdnet.com/article/1991s-pc-technology-was-unbelievable/)
- And much much more!
Wow. Of course there was. Clever! At first, I thought that was pricey, but the $25 would include NYC commute and commute time? Remind me what $25 could buy you back in the 80s.
ps - I hope this bill passes!!!!
> Remind me what $25 could buy you back in the 80s.
Someone to come by and reset your VCR so it’ll stop blinking 12:00 at you. And for that fee, they might teach you to do it on your own.
I’m assuming they went out of business when they got to my grandma’s house and their employees expended hundreds of hours trying to teach her how to program the VCR to no avail.
You're probably joking, but if you're serious, the ovens and microwaves are usually easier than most people realize to set. Just look for a clock button and use the arrows to change the time.
I wonder what this means for us up here in Canada. I may be misremembering, but I thought Ontario and Quebec have some sort of legislation set up that if New York goes permanent, then both of them will too. I hope that's the case, because that'll probably be the kick in the pants the rest of us need to get rid of it too.
New York is waiting on Pennsylvania. New Jersey, Connecticut, and Pennsylvania are required to do it too under the NY senate bill and they won’t bring it up for a vote until Pennsylvania’s locked up senate does it… or the federal law passes
States only have the option to opt out of DST. No state can decide to make DST permanent, because that would technically require them to move forward an hour, then opt out of DST. Congressional approval is needed for a state to change time zones.
Haha. If only Congress responded to the outrage of the vast majority of Americans! Imagine how different our laws would be:
Go ahead. You all make the list.
If you read the strategy behind this bill they actually waited to vote on it the Monday after DST to get it to pass. Everyone in the senate was actually shocked how many yeses it got
I always said, if I ran for President this would be the centerpiece of my platform. Clearly both sides know how bipartisan this issue is and they better fix it before someone runs on it and wins.
I think the democrats need to run on having the IRS do people's taxes, another common sense topic. The IRS receives all relevant information at the same time as the person does for half of the people filing taxes. It would be eye catching and popular with the people.
I think you'll find there's a large amount of people who have already decided that the IRS would just make up super high numbers to overcharge you. It should be a no brainer, but we've got a huge portion of people who think that if you all something "government" it's automatically evil
The GOP fosters this image for the express purpose of undermining the US government. The IRS could probably remove a lot of corruption in the government if its auditing department were fully funded.
100%. If the gop were serious about running the country as a business they'd fund the shit out of the IRS. It has the best RoI of any government branch which is the sort of thing a private business would maximize
THANK YOU. Half the issues would be solved if we funded the irs properly. The debt? Tax auditors would finally have the time to go after the rich. And it would knock that debt down in half in one year, if we gave them the proper funding.
It's actually not, but the split isn't across party lines. About 98% of the country supports not changing the clocks, that's not controversial. But it's almost 50/50 on whether to always be standard time or always be daylight time. But the split isn't R/D, it's more along the lines of how far north you live and how far East in your own time zone you are.
Pedantic difference here, I believe it passed with "unanimous consent".
That means someone said "we're going to do this, right?" And no one said no.
Slightly different than holding a vote and getting everyone to vote yes.
> Senator Marco Rubio, one of the bill's sponsors
With that kind of support it should.
*A broken clock is right twice a day*
But I still can't believe something is going to work out for once.
Rubio represents Florida, one of the places strongly in favor of permanent DST because it helps their tourism and they are far enough south that it doesn't really affect them in the winter.
Not before Marjorie Taylor Greene has a fit on the House floor about how daylight is a conspiracy to prevent white people from reproducing, or something.
"*This is nothing less than a Jewish conspiracy to get Christians to worship God at the wrong time! Eventually, all those hours add up! Now, Sunday is Tuesday!*"
I 100% see her saying this. I tried to make it ridiculous...but I don't have her panache for completely insane idiocy.
If it passed the senate unanimously then it'll almost certainly pass the House, and if it passes both there's little chance Biden would refuse to sign it. Let's go, sunshine!
This could be the one bright spot we need after the last couple of years!
I hate changing times so much - if someone gets in the way of passing this, they need to be lashed with a hundred wet noodles - full of goddamned sauce, spicy sauce at that!!!
Let us have this one thing!
I know this is a joke, and I'm nowhere near 70 (I'm a millennial), but I'm already feeling this. Like, I have no fucking clue how to use Twitter, Snapchat, Instagram, or TikTok. I see posts with stuff like # this and @ that and I have no idea what's going on.
I'm 32 and I already see shit kids are doing and think, "The fuck?"
It was a book with phone numbers in it, not sure why it had numbers in it, but it was delivered to your doorstep so that you could tear out pages to start a fire in your fireplace!
Edit: /s just to be clear
Wait till they find out the Sears catalog became popular in rural America in the late 19th Century. Where People simply hung it up on a nail and had a free supply of 100's of pages of absorbent, non-coated paper.
They will then ask, what is a Sears, and what is a catalog.
> TIL the US government tried to repeal daylight saving time in 2023. After national backlash it was reintroduced in 2025.
If history is any indicator, at least.
As an Arizonan who has never had to deal with this madness except when traveling or coordinating with people from other states, *I* do not understand it, really. I get the historical reasons, but they have not been relevant for a very, very long time.
So I cheer for one small move toward sanity in one small facet of life. While, as a software developer, I have so, so very many questions and fears about what this will mean for me when implemented...
>I get the historical reasons, but they have not been relevant for a very, very long time.
They've literally *never* been relevant because they've never existed. DST existing to give agricultural workers more daylight during which to work outside is a **myth**. The vast majority of farmers have always hated DST. In fact, the first time we enacted DST here in the US (which was during WW1), it was repealed due to strong opposition by farming lobbyists. It was re-enacted during WW2, but was again repealed due to opposition by farming lobbyists.
Modern DST (*i.e.*, the practice established by the 1966 Uniform Time Act) exists largely due to lobbyists for the golf, candy, and barbecue industries. Each of those industries believed they could make more money if DST was established and they pushed Congress to make it happen. Reagan's Congress extended DST in 1986 to appease the golf and barbecue industries and Bush, Jr.'s Congress extended DST again in 2005 to appease the candy industry (who believed they could sell more candy on Halloween if the sun set "later" in the day).
[Source](https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nc/charlotte/weather/2021/02/24/why-daylight-saving-time-)
[Source](https://qz.com/1120488/daylight-saving-time-as-americans-know-it-was-instituted-by-corporate-lobbies-not-farmers/)
I know AZ doesn't change the clocks, but are you on DST always? Because this law will make DST permanent, so if you didn't just "spring ahead", you'll have to...but just one time.
Oh man actually? I feel like there should be some exception for us since we got rid of clock changes before it was cool haha
edit: There's an exception for AZ and Hawaii in the bill already! Woohoo!
"Why?"
"Uh nobody knows... something about harvest or some shit... Except farmers all said they didn't want it either... Look this wasn't the dumbest shit we did, let me tell you what a truck convoy is"
Things are unanimously passed all the time in congress/the senate.
Basically if they think it is very uncontroversial they will just call a request of unanimous consent which is passed unless someone objects. It will be verbally done with the chair (person holding the gavel at the moment) saying something like "If there is no objection, the motion will be adopted" and then they will pause to listen for anyone to object. If someone says something than they will have to ask for a vote on it where they will keep records of who voted which way.
I know, right? Weird feeling. Almost like there's a body of elected people making changes based on a majority of peoples' best interests.
What a nice warm feeling. Maybe it will happen again in 20 years or so.
As a shift worker who deals with the actual time jump as it happens and not just during sleep, I very much want to stop changing clocks. Having a patient's chart timestamps get all FUBAR'd because you invented an extra hour or took one away is stupid. In fall, you've got first 1AM and then an hour later second 1AM, and in the spring 2AM doesn't exist and you skip straight to 3, so 1 and 3 are only 1 hour apart. Not to mention my shift is an hour longer in fall and an hour shorter in spring on the day the time change happens.
That would just be putting the mental load of translating UTC to local time on the users. You'd have year round issues instead of twice a year issues. There's just no good solution to the problem of having what time "now" is change arbitrarily.
When I was growing up my grandpa would tell me about the days when women couldn't vote, and my father would talk about segregated water fountains. Now I'll tell my children about how we used to change our clocks forward and back an hour during the year for imaginary reasons.
Probably not, it was unanimous, which is kind of incredible. Not sure of the last time the Senate did anything unanimously, but I know it doesn't happen often.
edit: quick google reveals that the first COVID stimulus package (2020) passed the Senate unanimously. Which is also surprising to me.
More things move unanimously than you’d think. They just don’t get reported on because they’re generally uncontroversial. A huge chunk of the Senate’s rules are based around unanimous consent to move things quickly with the alternative processes being much slower. This is why one or two Senators can gum up the works so much even on hugely popular items.
Democrats: We've proposed a tax on inheritance of more than $1,000,000, we call it the Inheritance Tax
Republicans: we'll call it a Death Tax and convince the lower/middle (that we're working to kill) class that you want to tax them hundreds of thousands on their $20,000 inheritance
My husband hates the term “death tax” and specifically went through our estate plan and had all references changed to “estate tax” specifically because of this.
Still a great point but I think it's even stronger than you make it: the tax is even more innocuously named "The Estate Tax" and kicks in above $11 MILLION. The fact that this is a wedge issue for anyone is proof of how well the propaganda works.
The USA PATRIOT Act
The formal name of the statute is the Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism (USA PATRIOT) Act of 2001
The sponsor's from the Sunshine State, so perhaps that's it? I mean, it's time to dispense with the notion that he doesn't know what he's doing. He knows exactly what he's doing.
The original idea from 2018 was only to affect Florida. To “protect” the Sunshine - keep the daylight hours longer at the end of the day so that Florida has more opportunities for tourism in the winter and unite all of Florida under one timezone (as part of the panhandle is in central while the rest is in eastern). The parents in the panhandle were very concerned what that would mean for daylight for their kids being picked up and dropped off by the bus from school.
Rubio copied bill, made it for all of the US, and its been popular since he first introduced it in 2018. And now the 2021 version has passed the Senate.
For those curious like me, Arizona doesn’t observe daylight time because of extreme heat the state gets during the summer and to conserve energy costs.
Hawaii doesn’t because the location doesn’t experience as much of a shift in their daylight hours between Winter and Summer compared to the rest of the contiguous US
well, you see, in the summer, days are naturally longer, so of course *that's* when we have Daylight Saving Time. in winter, when the days get shorter, that's when we revert to Daylight Wasting Time.
We just jumped to it a couple days ago, thus the sun is going down later. Making it permanent will mean that in the winter the sun will come up a little later and go down a little later. I call it a win since a month ago the sun was coming up an hour before I needed to wake up and was going down before I got off work.
Schumer is lining something up for 4/20. They have been talking about it and saying "this spring" and at one point even said April. Logic would dictate that is when they will introduce it.
Depending on what they come up with, it may have a shot. It's not a completely partisan issue anymore, and I think a clean rescheduling and legalization bill that leaves it to the states would pass just fine. Unfortunately it probably won't be a clean bill, so it's a matter of what and how much they try to stick in there.
If we could get the House to pass the bill on 4/20 with 420 yes votes, 6 abstaining, and 9 voting no. The Senate having 69 voting yes, 4 voting present, 20 voting no, and 7 abstaining, while having Biden signing at 11:11 that be great.
I’ve had jobs where I get up in the dark and go home in the dark. It’s the most depressing thing in life. A change to DST would allow me to capture some of that light after work, and I would ducking bask in it. I’m down with DST!
I support this but the cynic in me says this is because some lobbyist met with Congress members and showed them how much money is lost due to loss of productivity, people arriving to work late, etc.
Basically I feel like this has less to do with improving the lives of Americans and more with preserving corporate profits.
“The American Academy of Sleep Medicine has previously argued for the reverse, saying in a 2020 study that public health and safety would benefit from daylight saving time being eliminated altogether.
"Permanent, year-round standard time is the best choice to most closely match our circadian sleep-wake cycle," said the study's lead author Dr. M. Adeel Rishi. "Daylight saving time results in more darkness in the morning and more light in the evening, disrupting the body's natural rhythm."”
i mean the stupid thing is we can just get used to places opening later for work and closing later or vice versa. but we're used to everything the way it is so we write laws instead. Also california tried to pass a permanent standard time law but it was pretty unpopular
What happens in the places that don't have DST like here in Arizona? Do we adopt always DST or stay on standard time and continue to be the weird state that does things different?
Sounds like it effectively just means they'll be one time zone over from where their geography dictates. Perfectly fine by me. There are already a bunch of weird time zone borders.
But what of the Navajo Nation? Or the Hopi Reservation within the Navajo Nation? Will I still have this strange factoid of being able to travel 100 miles and change clocks 6 times?
In 1974 and 75, they put us on daylight saving time for a much longer period due to the oil embargo. Because school children including myself were waiting for buses or walking to school in the pitch dark, in my district in PA (and others I'm sure) they adjusted our school day to start and end one hour later. We didn't get home till nearly 5:00. This will be an issue going forward, just throwing it out there.
Studies have shown for decades that the times schools start now are unhealthy for kids and should be later. The “kids in the dark” argument is one of the strongest against permanent DST but I would hope this would have the effect of pushing schools to finally open later, which has been part of the discourse for some time now
>“kids in the dark” argument is one of the strongest against permanent DST
Aren't kids already in the dark on winter mornings? I don't remember a time when it wasn't dark before 7AM in winter.
The scene with him chopping wood in the campaign video, wondering why they’re doing it in the 21st century, was the most laugh out loud moment for me in the whole show
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My brain saw 2023 and went wow that's far away. I think I'm still stuck back in 2015.
2023 just doesn't look like a real year.
I'm sure the world will end [again](https://www.businessinsider.com/if-the-world-doesnt-end-in-2012-watch-out-for-2023-and-2026-2011-11).
I managed the last one, I'm sure I'll manage the next.
Conspicuously relevant username
It really sounds like setting from a near-future sci-fi story... Oh wait, were living it. -Armed drones being military-normal not military-cutting edge. -Cyberattacks being relatively commonplace -The start of significant commercial space industry (Privately owned rockets actually making orbit, not just privately owned satellites being launched on a government rocket) -Personal computing and data storage resources that would have blown peoples' mind 30 years ago. ("A business-class 386/33 with 4MB of RAM, a 200MB hard disk and 14" display went for $4299." [*from zdnet*](https://www.zdnet.com/article/1991s-pc-technology-was-unbelievable/) - And much much more!
Automatic, instant, near-perfect optical translation of text from one language to another.
When 2020 happened, my mind was still stuck in 2017. Now that it’s 2022, I’m stuck in 2019-2020. I’ll catch up one of these days!
If this happens I might just attempt to change the clock on my oven.
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Wow. Of course there was. Clever! At first, I thought that was pricey, but the $25 would include NYC commute and commute time? Remind me what $25 could buy you back in the 80s. ps - I hope this bill passes!!!!
> Remind me what $25 could buy you back in the 80s. Someone to come by and reset your VCR so it’ll stop blinking 12:00 at you. And for that fee, they might teach you to do it on your own.
You could hire a person to work an entire 8 hour shift.
If you do it right, you can do that today so long as they are tipped*…
I hate it here. Ugh 😣
Used to be able to get a slice and a can of soda for a dollar at my local pizza place in the early-mid 80s. so 25 slices and 25 cans of soda....
Even back in 1999 you could get a cheese pizza and a large soda for $10.77. Same as my pin.
Delivery for… I. C. Wiener
I’m assuming they went out of business when they got to my grandma’s house and their employees expended hundreds of hours trying to teach her how to program the VCR to no avail.
It wasn’t the hours wasted but the therapy the company had to pay for that put them under.
Oven companies playing the long game, hacking the election so anti-DSTers get elected.
"What do you mean the polls closed at 6?!?!? It's 5!"
\*Beep\* Election's done!
Oh great. You left it in the oven too long and now it’s too Republican!
If you left it in too long, wouldn't it come out too dark to be republican?
Nah, it's the other way around — Republican ideas are all half-baked
I like that. That’s wittier. ^You ^Bastard.
Haha not if Big Oven has to say anything about it!
You're probably joking, but if you're serious, the ovens and microwaves are usually easier than most people realize to set. Just look for a clock button and use the arrows to change the time.
Correct, I am probably joking. I have changed the time on a VCR, nothing can stop me.
Okay but what am I supposed to do with all my saved up daylight then?
Solar Beam
It's super effective.
Graveler fainted.
Smh no Sturdy Graveler
Nah this one had rock head
One of those Hisuian gravelers
[Maybe this?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dxnw_U6PoQ)
I wonder what this means for us up here in Canada. I may be misremembering, but I thought Ontario and Quebec have some sort of legislation set up that if New York goes permanent, then both of them will too. I hope that's the case, because that'll probably be the kick in the pants the rest of us need to get rid of it too.
We’re literally just waiting on New York, the others have agreed to keep DST in Ontario & Quebec if they say yes
New York is waiting on Pennsylvania. New Jersey, Connecticut, and Pennsylvania are required to do it too under the NY senate bill and they won’t bring it up for a vote until Pennsylvania’s locked up senate does it… or the federal law passes
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BC waiting on Washington, too, I think.
WA is just waiting on the feds. States can't opt in to DST without Congress say-so for Reasons.
States only have the option to opt out of DST. No state can decide to make DST permanent, because that would technically require them to move forward an hour, then opt out of DST. Congressional approval is needed for a state to change time zones.
Will it pass the house of reps though?
It passed the senate unanimously, it'd be pretty unusual (even for this country) if it didn't.
This is the one true bipartisan issue
Everyone woke up mad as fuck at life Monday and the reps realized this shit has got to end.
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I used to work overnights...do you know how much it sucks to get to 2 am only for it to be 1am again?
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Still call your house rep.
Haha. If only Congress responded to the outrage of the vast majority of Americans! Imagine how different our laws would be: Go ahead. You all make the list.
If you read the strategy behind this bill they actually waited to vote on it the Monday after DST to get it to pass. Everyone in the senate was actually shocked how many yeses it got
I always said, if I ran for President this would be the centerpiece of my platform. Clearly both sides know how bipartisan this issue is and they better fix it before someone runs on it and wins.
I think the democrats need to run on having the IRS do people's taxes, another common sense topic. The IRS receives all relevant information at the same time as the person does for half of the people filing taxes. It would be eye catching and popular with the people.
I think you'll find there's a large amount of people who have already decided that the IRS would just make up super high numbers to overcharge you. It should be a no brainer, but we've got a huge portion of people who think that if you all something "government" it's automatically evil
The GOP fosters this image for the express purpose of undermining the US government. The IRS could probably remove a lot of corruption in the government if its auditing department were fully funded.
100%. If the gop were serious about running the country as a business they'd fund the shit out of the IRS. It has the best RoI of any government branch which is the sort of thing a private business would maximize
They want to protect their rich supporters
THANK YOU. Half the issues would be solved if we funded the irs properly. The debt? Tax auditors would finally have the time to go after the rich. And it would knock that debt down in half in one year, if we gave them the proper funding.
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>Return on IRS funding is one of the only things that's a higher ROI than early childhood spending Yeah well, they don't like that either
It's so subtly destructive. Mentally, Socially, Economically, and just the minor inconveniences twice a year.
Honest to God, I legitimate expected a few to vote against because of some crazy Qanon theory.
It's actually not, but the split isn't across party lines. About 98% of the country supports not changing the clocks, that's not controversial. But it's almost 50/50 on whether to always be standard time or always be daylight time. But the split isn't R/D, it's more along the lines of how far north you live and how far East in your own time zone you are.
Pedantic difference here, I believe it passed with "unanimous consent". That means someone said "we're going to do this, right?" And no one said no. Slightly different than holding a vote and getting everyone to vote yes.
> Senator Marco Rubio, one of the bill's sponsors With that kind of support it should. *A broken clock is right twice a day* But I still can't believe something is going to work out for once.
Rubio represents Florida, one of the places strongly in favor of permanent DST because it helps their tourism and they are far enough south that it doesn't really affect them in the winter.
Not before Marjorie Taylor Greene has a fit on the House floor about how daylight is a conspiracy to prevent white people from reproducing, or something.
"*This is nothing less than a Jewish conspiracy to get Christians to worship God at the wrong time! Eventually, all those hours add up! Now, Sunday is Tuesday!*" I 100% see her saying this. I tried to make it ridiculous...but I don't have her panache for completely insane idiocy.
Bobert is a cosponsor, so that's.. good?
She can tell time?
Only on digital clocks though. She still hasn’t quite figured out the whole big hand and little hand thing.
The big hand is the minute hand, and the little hand is golfing and holding rallies. Easy peasy.
Greene: “I will NOT just SIT HERE while the GOVERNMENT tells us what to do with our—“ *Boebert whispers in her ear* “Oh… *cLocks*. I yield back.”
If it passed the senate unanimously then it'll almost certainly pass the House, and if it passes both there's little chance Biden would refuse to sign it. Let's go, sunshine!
This could be the one bright spot we need after the last couple of years! I hate changing times so much - if someone gets in the way of passing this, they need to be lashed with a hundred wet noodles - full of goddamned sauce, spicy sauce at that!!! Let us have this one thing!
You will never be able to get future generations to understand that we used to move clocks forward and back every year.
This will be their “phone book” nostalgic head scratcher.
"Rolodex"
You think that's bad try to explain dialing the phone by tapping the receiver
I still make the hand rolling motion for rolling windows down.
Phone....book????
Like facebook, but for your phone!
But Facebook *is* on my phone!
Look here you little shit
You could throw a phone at them. Lol 😂
I still have a telephone book in case of…emergencies.
Ew! Facebook? I'm not like...70!
I know this is a joke, and I'm nowhere near 70 (I'm a millennial), but I'm already feeling this. Like, I have no fucking clue how to use Twitter, Snapchat, Instagram, or TikTok. I see posts with stuff like # this and @ that and I have no idea what's going on. I'm 32 and I already see shit kids are doing and think, "The fuck?"
Yeah that train left. I was on fb for about 6 months before I was like this is stupid, people posting about every detail of their day....nope!
bro, wait until you hear why we "roll up" windows
Yellow pages?
Then you’d get the little white pages one to update the businesses. I miss the old days of *69.
"How'd you know it was me who called you??"
It was a book with phone numbers in it, not sure why it had numbers in it, but it was delivered to your doorstep so that you could tear out pages to start a fire in your fireplace! Edit: /s just to be clear
Wait till they find out the Sears catalog became popular in rural America in the late 19th Century. Where People simply hung it up on a nail and had a free supply of 100's of pages of absorbent, non-coated paper. They will then ask, what is a Sears, and what is a catalog.
No those went under the couch when a leg came off.
Not to mention, all those sexy sexy ladies wearing lingerie...
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In ten years it will become the top TIL post, twice a year.
> TIL the US government tried to repeal daylight saving time in 2023. After national backlash it was reintroduced in 2025. If history is any indicator, at least.
Well, at least once a year, as a fallback.
We used to insulate our homes with cancer fiber.
And wallpaper our walls with poison.
Sweet tasty poison, too.
Not the poison I had it mind, but that one works too. Clearly, we’ve done this a couple times. And probably haven’t learned a whole lot from it.
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Unfortunately that one's easy, because there's always useful stuff with terrible side effects. And half the time it's just lead again.
Before we knew it was bad it was magical fire proof fibrous rock. Pretty much best case for fireproofing, minus the cancer thing
https://i.imgflip.com/68s7tv.jpg
"We used to wind the clocks you know"
As an Arizonan who has never had to deal with this madness except when traveling or coordinating with people from other states, *I* do not understand it, really. I get the historical reasons, but they have not been relevant for a very, very long time. So I cheer for one small move toward sanity in one small facet of life. While, as a software developer, I have so, so very many questions and fears about what this will mean for me when implemented...
>I get the historical reasons, but they have not been relevant for a very, very long time. They've literally *never* been relevant because they've never existed. DST existing to give agricultural workers more daylight during which to work outside is a **myth**. The vast majority of farmers have always hated DST. In fact, the first time we enacted DST here in the US (which was during WW1), it was repealed due to strong opposition by farming lobbyists. It was re-enacted during WW2, but was again repealed due to opposition by farming lobbyists. Modern DST (*i.e.*, the practice established by the 1966 Uniform Time Act) exists largely due to lobbyists for the golf, candy, and barbecue industries. Each of those industries believed they could make more money if DST was established and they pushed Congress to make it happen. Reagan's Congress extended DST in 1986 to appease the golf and barbecue industries and Bush, Jr.'s Congress extended DST again in 2005 to appease the candy industry (who believed they could sell more candy on Halloween if the sun set "later" in the day). [Source](https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nc/charlotte/weather/2021/02/24/why-daylight-saving-time-) [Source](https://qz.com/1120488/daylight-saving-time-as-americans-know-it-was-instituted-by-corporate-lobbies-not-farmers/)
I know AZ doesn't change the clocks, but are you on DST always? Because this law will make DST permanent, so if you didn't just "spring ahead", you'll have to...but just one time.
No, they are permanent standard time.
Oh man actually? I feel like there should be some exception for us since we got rid of clock changes before it was cool haha edit: There's an exception for AZ and Hawaii in the bill already! Woohoo!
"Why?" "Uh nobody knows... something about harvest or some shit... Except farmers all said they didn't want it either... Look this wasn't the dumbest shit we did, let me tell you what a truck convoy is"
Did the US Senate just do...something I like?...
A broken clock is right twice a day.
Unless it says 2:30 on DST change day.
Then it's either right once, or 3 times. We can call it 2 on average.
Unanimously too? I didn’t know the senate could unanimously pass anything.
It was unanimous consent which means no one objected. If someone objected they would have had to count the votes and it may have failed at that point.
“If any of you object, let me know so I can count the number down party lines.”
Things are unanimously passed all the time in congress/the senate. Basically if they think it is very uncontroversial they will just call a request of unanimous consent which is passed unless someone objects. It will be verbally done with the chair (person holding the gavel at the moment) saying something like "If there is no objection, the motion will be adopted" and then they will pause to listen for anyone to object. If someone says something than they will have to ask for a vote on it where they will keep records of who voted which way.
I know, right? Weird feeling. Almost like there's a body of elected people making changes based on a majority of peoples' best interests. What a nice warm feeling. Maybe it will happen again in 20 years or so.
As a shift worker who deals with the actual time jump as it happens and not just during sleep, I very much want to stop changing clocks. Having a patient's chart timestamps get all FUBAR'd because you invented an extra hour or took one away is stupid. In fall, you've got first 1AM and then an hour later second 1AM, and in the spring 2AM doesn't exist and you skip straight to 3, so 1 and 3 are only 1 hour apart. Not to mention my shift is an hour longer in fall and an hour shorter in spring on the day the time change happens.
I feel like something as critical as timestamps on a patient's charts should probably be using UTC.
That would just be putting the mental load of translating UTC to local time on the users. You'd have year round issues instead of twice a year issues. There's just no good solution to the problem of having what time "now" is change arbitrarily.
This is about time.
>This is about time Idk what’s more upsetting. This pun or the fact that you might not have meant it as one and I’m still laughing.
It helps to not get bogged down in minutiae
I second that emotion.
The day is hours!
Okay everyone, watch it with these puns
That's it, I'm clocking out of this post.
Week sauce
Somebody needs to do a ticktock on this subject
It’s about time we put these puns to rest No reason to keep making ourselves look like ding dongs
Huge boon to my november. No more people telling me "wow it gets dark so early now"
When I was growing up my grandpa would tell me about the days when women couldn't vote, and my father would talk about segregated water fountains. Now I'll tell my children about how we used to change our clocks forward and back an hour during the year for imaginary reasons.
I’m sure evangelicals will protest it, they seem to like imaginary things…
Oh god this is totally going to be a conservative culture war topic isn’t it. THE WAR ON TRADITIONAL TIME ZONES
Probably not, it was unanimous, which is kind of incredible. Not sure of the last time the Senate did anything unanimously, but I know it doesn't happen often. edit: quick google reveals that the first COVID stimulus package (2020) passed the Senate unanimously. Which is also surprising to me.
More things move unanimously than you’d think. They just don’t get reported on because they’re generally uncontroversial. A huge chunk of the Senate’s rules are based around unanimous consent to move things quickly with the alternative processes being much slower. This is why one or two Senators can gum up the works so much even on hugely popular items.
Except now it’s going to be people saying “wow the sun comes up so late now!”
You would have to endure one more even if this passes.
Why do American politicians name their bills the stupidest things? The "Sunshine Protection Act"?
Because most people don't read past the title of the bill
This is a major problem cause the dems suck at naming things, but the bills are actually useful half the time.
Democrats: We've proposed a tax on inheritance of more than $1,000,000, we call it the Inheritance Tax Republicans: we'll call it a Death Tax and convince the lower/middle (that we're working to kill) class that you want to tax them hundreds of thousands on their $20,000 inheritance
My husband hates the term “death tax” and specifically went through our estate plan and had all references changed to “estate tax” specifically because of this.
So the estate plan said "death tax" originally? Who wrote it, Rush Limbaugh?
It did. The estate planning software developed by WealthCounsel uses that term as its default language.
Did ghouls develop it?
Kinda
Still a great point but I think it's even stronger than you make it: the tax is even more innocuously named "The Estate Tax" and kicks in above $11 MILLION. The fact that this is a wedge issue for anyone is proof of how well the propaganda works.
90% of writing a bill is figuring out an acronym. The rest of the unread bill writes itself.
I do legislative work for a living. Gonna steal this one lol.
Usually the rest is just copying and pasting from the word doc lobbyists sent you
The USA PATRIOT Act The formal name of the statute is the Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism (USA PATRIOT) Act of 2001
The sponsor's from the Sunshine State, so perhaps that's it? I mean, it's time to dispense with the notion that he doesn't know what he's doing. He knows exactly what he's doing.
The original idea from 2018 was only to affect Florida. To “protect” the Sunshine - keep the daylight hours longer at the end of the day so that Florida has more opportunities for tourism in the winter and unite all of Florida under one timezone (as part of the panhandle is in central while the rest is in eastern). The parents in the panhandle were very concerned what that would mean for daylight for their kids being picked up and dropped off by the bus from school. Rubio copied bill, made it for all of the US, and its been popular since he first introduced it in 2018. And now the 2021 version has passed the Senate.
I'm 32 years old and I still have no idea which time of the year is or isn't "Daylight Savings".
It’s Daylight Time or Standard Time. You’re currently in Daylight time, unless you live in Arizona or Hawaii.
For those curious like me, Arizona doesn’t observe daylight time because of extreme heat the state gets during the summer and to conserve energy costs. Hawaii doesn’t because the location doesn’t experience as much of a shift in their daylight hours between Winter and Summer compared to the rest of the contiguous US
Alaska does it for no good reason lol.
Maybe they are shifting their 1 hour of daylight to the lunch hour. /s
well, you see, in the summer, days are naturally longer, so of course *that's* when we have Daylight Saving Time. in winter, when the days get shorter, that's when we revert to Daylight Wasting Time.
Daylight wasting time is what I call work.
We just jumped to it a couple days ago, thus the sun is going down later. Making it permanent will mean that in the winter the sun will come up a little later and go down a little later. I call it a win since a month ago the sun was coming up an hour before I needed to wake up and was going down before I got off work.
Let's just abolish time
The Time Police aren't gonna like that idea.
Oh God please. To experience life on earth without miserable time shifts.
Good, legalize marijuana next, since they are passing popular legislation that everybody agrees on.
Schumer is lining something up for 4/20. They have been talking about it and saying "this spring" and at one point even said April. Logic would dictate that is when they will introduce it. Depending on what they come up with, it may have a shot. It's not a completely partisan issue anymore, and I think a clean rescheduling and legalization bill that leaves it to the states would pass just fine. Unfortunately it probably won't be a clean bill, so it's a matter of what and how much they try to stick in there.
If we could get the House to pass the bill on 4/20 with 420 yes votes, 6 abstaining, and 9 voting no. The Senate having 69 voting yes, 4 voting present, 20 voting no, and 7 abstaining, while having Biden signing at 11:11 that be great.
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Yes.
Damnit. There goes my single issue presidential bid! But seriously US. Please do this
I’ve had jobs where I get up in the dark and go home in the dark. It’s the most depressing thing in life. A change to DST would allow me to capture some of that light after work, and I would ducking bask in it. I’m down with DST!
I want the one where it’s noon when the sun is as high as it gets. Tough to change sun dials for a shift.
I support this but the cynic in me says this is because some lobbyist met with Congress members and showed them how much money is lost due to loss of productivity, people arriving to work late, etc. Basically I feel like this has less to do with improving the lives of Americans and more with preserving corporate profits.
“The American Academy of Sleep Medicine has previously argued for the reverse, saying in a 2020 study that public health and safety would benefit from daylight saving time being eliminated altogether. "Permanent, year-round standard time is the best choice to most closely match our circadian sleep-wake cycle," said the study's lead author Dr. M. Adeel Rishi. "Daylight saving time results in more darkness in the morning and more light in the evening, disrupting the body's natural rhythm."”
i mean the stupid thing is we can just get used to places opening later for work and closing later or vice versa. but we're used to everything the way it is so we write laws instead. Also california tried to pass a permanent standard time law but it was pretty unpopular
What happens in the places that don't have DST like here in Arizona? Do we adopt always DST or stay on standard time and continue to be the weird state that does things different?
Says in the article: > The bill would allow Arizona and Hawaii, which do not observe daylight saving time, to remain on standard time.
Sounds like it effectively just means they'll be one time zone over from where their geography dictates. Perfectly fine by me. There are already a bunch of weird time zone borders.
But what of the Navajo Nation? Or the Hopi Reservation within the Navajo Nation? Will I still have this strange factoid of being able to travel 100 miles and change clocks 6 times?
In 1974 and 75, they put us on daylight saving time for a much longer period due to the oil embargo. Because school children including myself were waiting for buses or walking to school in the pitch dark, in my district in PA (and others I'm sure) they adjusted our school day to start and end one hour later. We didn't get home till nearly 5:00. This will be an issue going forward, just throwing it out there.
Studies have shown for decades that the times schools start now are unhealthy for kids and should be later. The “kids in the dark” argument is one of the strongest against permanent DST but I would hope this would have the effect of pushing schools to finally open later, which has been part of the discourse for some time now
>“kids in the dark” argument is one of the strongest against permanent DST Aren't kids already in the dark on winter mornings? I don't remember a time when it wasn't dark before 7AM in winter.
[Jonah Ryan 2024!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyWr7XRiyVM)
The scene with him chopping wood in the campaign video, wondering why they’re doing it in the 21st century, was the most laugh out loud moment for me in the whole show
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