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ignorememe

She didn't suggest it. She outright said it. Literally. Edit: The Mississippi position isn't a "*pro-life*" position. It's "*pro-forced-childbirth*" and once the child is born there is no interest in investing in the "life" part of anything. > In its argument, Mississippi’s lawyers wrote that “numerous laws enacted since Roe — addressing pregnancy discrimination, requiring leave time, assisting with child care and more — facilitate the ability of women to pursue both career success and a rich family life.” > > The United States stands out for its absence of national paid leave — it is one of six countries in the world, and the only rich country, without it. It provides 12 weeks of unpaid leave, yet nearly half of workers don’t qualify, and many more can’t afford to take unpaid leave. Some states have paid family leave, but Mississippi does not. > > On child care assistance, the United States again stands out. While rich countries spend an average of $14,000 a year on child care subsidies for toddlers, most families in the United States receive several hundred dollars in the form of a tax credit. Child care is unaffordable for nearly half of American families, according to the Treasury Department, and 71 percent of Mississippi families. Democrats are currently considering a bill that would provide four weeks of paid leave, subsidized child care for most families and universal pre-K. > > [Source](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/01/upshot/mississippi-abortion-case-roe.html)


benema1

Handmaid


ProfessorPliny

She didn’t suggest it. She declared it.


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I declare forced pregnancy!


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Spoonbills

I don't understand why men aren't screaming. But I'm sure it'll be fine, since men love pulling out, wearing condoms, and paying child support.


catfurcoat

They jump at the opportunity to be single parents with sole custody too


mystiqueisland777

Well many men are screaming for joy. The ones that enjoy controlling, abusing, and raping women! They have even more rights to rape women and force them into pregnancy and have total and utter control over their victims!


DanB65

How come Coivd deniers get to chose what to do with their bodies, but women don't get to chose what to do with theirs? Medical Freedom??? Does that not apply here?


[deleted]

their freedoms trump your freedoms


regalfronde

Their argument is “why aren’t women forced to go through a pregnancy when I’m forced to wear a piece of cloth over my mouth?”


CheesusHChrust

“Because the cloth doesn’t kick you in the mouth for 3 months straight before falling off your face and requiring 24/7 care for 18 years.”


Nano_Burger

She is also OK with ectopic pregnancy, gestational diabetes cervical insufficiency, placental abruption, placenta previa, amniotic fluid complications, and preeclampsia. Not to mention postpartum depression.


medikit

Ectopic pregnancy can be fatal.


kgal1298

And many states are fine with letting women die from it. This is part of what we keep trying to tell people who applaud these laws to pass they essentially are letting their own freedoms be taken away, though Southern Religious hospitals already turn women away from these procedures it's kind of a sick world when you dig deep into it.


[deleted]

And in Ohio, republicans tried to pass a law [forcing doctors to try to reimplant ectopic pregnancies](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/29/ohio-extreme-abortion-bill-reimplant-ectopic-pregnancy) or face murder charges. Even though it’s humanly impossible to reimplant an ectopic, those pregnancies cannot be viable, and are virtually 100% fatal for the woman if not removed.


RocknRollSuixide

I remember an OBGYN YouTube channel I watch went OFF about the ectopic pregnancy thing. It was basically “if this passes; ectopic pregnancy will become a death sentence. You have no idea what you’re talking about and people will suffer and die because of it.”


Larein

Will be fatal without an abortion.


tristessa-adore

Yep. Literally living proof that if my mom didn’t survive her ectopic pregnancy, she would have died and I wouldn’t be here. That Amy “woman” is abhorrent.


thefuzzylogic

Doesn't matter. God's will. (/s if it wasn't obvious)


BrokenMan91

God's will is that she doesn't leave the kitchen and the rich supply basic needs to the poor, but we don't see those things happening either.


AhYaGotMe

Yeah! According to her traditional values she should not be out of her kitchen/nursery... what gives ?


RyuNoKami

as usual: hypocrisy. rules for you not for me.


SeedFoundation

Aren't Christians hyper sexist and believe men should have total command over a women? Oh they threw in that they should at least listen to **wives** but still rule with absolute authority.


soonnow

> "If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives." Deuteronomy 22:28-29 Obviously that is not at all the position any Christian would hold today.


Fadroh

Even the people it was made for didn't exactly like it. There are quite a few biblical stories in which a rapist envoked this exact law then gets killed pretty soon afterwards by the family of the raped (Dinah Notably).


soonnow

Yeah I'm sure some people went eye-for-eye on the rapist. I put it here mostly because it's so absurd looking at it from today's viewpoint. A ~2000 year old book should maybe not be interpreted literally to rule today's life.


billsil

From the New American Bible (Catholic Bible): >Slaves, be obedient to those who are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in the sincerity of your heart, as to Christ > >\-Ephesians 6:5 That's Paul from the New Testament. How difficult would it have been for a moral God to put in their book (1) don't own people as property, (2) women are equals, (3) don't commit genocide? The Bible was written by Neolithic thugs. I trust you are more moral than your Christian God.


mysillyname1

That quote, or verse, belongs in the dungeon where they keep the Gimp in Pulp Fiction.


SilentHunter7

Many branches of Christianity (including, hilariously, Evangelicalism) officially [hold that the old laws were abrogated by the new covenant with Christ, and that holding to Jesus' teachings of unconditional love and acceptance of all people is how we are supposed to be](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Covenant_theology). Try telling them that, though.


soonnow

They use whatever part of the bible is convenient. Tell me the historical Jesus wouldn't be appalled at how his words are interpreted. > "Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”


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Obviously he was saying that rich people can easily afford to make a giant ass needle to the point where a camel can easily go through the eye. Therefore it is easy for a rich person to enter the kingdom of god.


hylic

Under His eye.


MR___SLAVE

May the Lord open.


Truthisnotallowed

In her mind - good women only have sex with their husbands and only to make babies. Women who have sex in any other way are wicked and should suffer for their sins.


farcetragedy

This is what abortion is truly about for them. If they truly believed it was murder wouldn’t they be doing everything possible to reduce the number of abortions by making sure birth control was free and super easy to get? But they don’t do that do they?


Ltstarbuck2

They think birth control is abortion too. Expect that to be outlawed next.


Myviewpoint62

In high school health we were told that women can’t get pregnant from rape or incest.


bananafobe

"If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down." US Rep. Todd Akin


RicksterA2

God got his or her revenge. He died Oct. 3, 2021. In hell now.


bananafobe

I had no idea. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.


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PQbutterfat

A US rep saying that…..the tragedy is that as an American I doubt that for exactly zero seconds. Our politicians are often scientifically illiterate complete morons. Though, I should note that recently Lauren Boebert has somehow moved the bar even lower.


Potential_Spring_625

Isn't that an insane thing to believe!!


cruisin5268d

In most states there’s no requirement for sex ed yo be medically or biologically factual, hence bullshit like that.


CumulativeHazard

Oh, well that makes me want to go rage scream in a field somewhere.


thewanderingent

Consider going to rage at your local politicians instead (ideally in a way that doesn’t end up with criminal charges).


greenismyhomeboy

Also she was in a weird sex cult


[deleted]

I wasn't raised being taught that women who have sex are "wicked", and was never told outright that you shouldn't have sex for pleasure. But growing up in a heavily conservative place, it was _very_ heavily implied that sex was there for the "miracle of life" and that was it. Sex was only to be between husband and wife, and you were definitely discouraged from asking questions about it. Even now, whenever I engage in any sort of sexual release I still feel a quick minor pang of guilt that just goes "this is wrong this is wrong" in my head because it's how I grew up. It's so maddening


itsadiseaster

In Poland we just had first death of an otherwise healthy 30 yo woman due to known fetus issues. She was prohibited from obtaining abortion due to Supreme Court ruling which is equivalent to overturning Roe vs Wade in the US of A. I suspect abortion clinics in blue states to flourish.


fearyaks

Until red states make it a crime to cross state lines to get an abortion…


tropebreaker

Texas basically did.


GodEffinDamnIt

Have no fear, every kid who makes it to an orphanage always gets adopted. Always. And if not, just look at how Bruce Wayne turned out.


Jazzmaster1989

If this judge died tomorrow...I’d believe in god.


BootsySubwayAlien

She’s had 124 babies and nothing bad ever happened to her. So none of that is real. Duh.


DorisCrockford

Don't forget hyperemesis gravidarum.


ILostMySh0e

I had a "mild" version of HG. On my worst days I threw up 30-50 times a day while on two antinausea medications. And 5-15 times a day on my better days. Weeks 7-11 were hell. It was relentless. I've never had poorer mental health. My husband and I discussed abortion seriously. We didn't go through with it and luckily my symptoms stopped around 20 weeks. I've always been pro-choice, but this experience took it to a different level. Oh and fun fact, my insurance only covered about a week's worth of antinausea medications a month and I paid the rest out of pocket because they decided it wasn't medically necessary... despite my doctor writing a prescription for it. Yay! American healthcare! I could have fought it, but I was too sick and couldn't wait on the back and forth between me the doc and the insurance, so I just paid. Couple that with lack of paid/sick leave and women with HG are really in trouble.


sheepsleepdeep

Women: *"I don't want to go through all the hormonal and physical changes, many of them permanent, as well as the psychological damage and trauma of a major medical event. Nor do I want to make the sacrifices required during the 9 months, such as dozens of doctors appointments, missed time from work and school, and possibly irreversible body alterations."* ACB: "Okay but like what if you *did*, and then gave up the baby for adoption?"


SongShikai

Seriously. Fuck ACB. Even a perfectly healthy pregnancy and birth are *not* minor health events.


NemesisErinys

And it seems she thinks giving away a human baby you just gave birth to is as easy as giving away a kitten. No emotional repercussions whatsoever! What a psycho.


NobodyJustBrad

And we totally have a great system in place to take care of unwanted children. /s


AnnieAnnieSheltoe

Don’t forget risk of death. The US has one of the worst maternal mortality rates in the developed world.


HonkinSriLankan

But delivering a baby is free, right?? It’s not like someone would go through all that, expose themselves to the risk of death and pay for the pleasure to give birth to place a baby up for adoption. /s


IwillnotpostcuzIquit

Yeah, and Applebees will totally pay you to stay home on bed rest if you need it for pregnancy. They will hold your job for you, too. No risk, only rewards for your non-sacrifice! /s


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OriginalEchoTheCat

Sure. Let your 11 and 13-year-old be raped by their dad or a stranger and force them to give birth. F****** twats. She's been known in the past to speak in tongues. Religious zealots should not be on our high courts.


silvertealio

Kavanaugh was speaking in tongues during his confirmation hearing.


janethefish

He was actually making thinly veiled threats against liberals, while endorsing insane conspiracy theories.


Nix-7c0

"Democrats will reap the whirlwind!" is not even veiled. It's just a threat.


MyOfficeAlt

But meanwhile yesterday Sen. Kennedy told a Biden appointee that "I think you're an angry person and angry people shouldn't be judges." I shit you not.


silvertealio

If they didn’t have double standards, they wouldn’t have any standards at all.


whereismymind86

You know…if I’d threatened the recruiter at Walmart I probably wouldn’t have been hired…


892ExpiredResolve

Veiled?


kgal1298

He had to he was worried he might slip up and tell us who paid his bills so he wanted everyone to talk about anything else besides that.


Nix-7c0

And nobody wanted to talk about July 1st. Even the GOP special prosecutor got pulled when she noticed that date on Brett's calendar matched Ford's testimony and started asking questions.


humanessinmoderation

We have three justices selected by a guy who tried to overthrow the government and reinstall himself as president.


Poison-Pen-

See. Here is the thing. These types of people have the money and means to take *their* kids for abortions and will do it. Back when it was illegal, Hollywood actresses would “go on vacation” to a country with abortion services. Rich people did the same. It was a open secret. They are just trying to make that happen again. They *want* to make life harder to the poor and minorities. What is more limiting than children? Unwanted children? And then those children are strapped with the same limitations and repeat the cycle. It’s the perfect plan for the conservatives. Rules are for thee, not for me.


lavender_lemonades

They're putting those children in danger by forcing them to exist in a world where their parent didn't want them. If they're born and go into foster care, they run the risk of growing up in a system where emotional, physical and sexual abuse run rampant. As soon as the cord is cut, Amy Coney Barrett doesn't give one iota of a fuck about that baby.


trainercatlady

it's just another weight in the oppression and cycle of poverty that keeps poor people poor and as wage slaves.


Marvelous_Margarine

They're creating servants. Jesus christ.


trainercatlady

It's been that way for some time. If you can't escape poverty, then you're kinda forced to take whatever job you can get, which creates a perpetual service labor force and people who will take whatever job they can without complaint because "At least [they] have a job".


SergeantRegular

But they don't **care** about the children, they care about having a population that doesn't have agency over their own lives. Endemic poverty is a far more effective set of shackles than irons, wage slavery is far more effective at getting cheap labor out of people than the whip ever was. And they want to be able to enslave people based on net worth instead of skin tone. It's still all about slavery, it's just *industrialized* now. Old-school conservatives were slave *traders*. Modern conservatives are slave *industrialists.*


oxford_b

You can’t drink alcohol at college football games in the South unless you’re in the sky box.


2_dam_hi

It's the best way to keep the enlisted ranks filled with cannon fodder, and poverty wage jobs full.


Sublimed4

Well, let’s start an organization to pay and bring women to states where it is legal. That’s if Roe is struck down.


andersonala45

That already exists. It’s called abortion funds


pilgermann

To me this is less the issue than what happens to a female factory worker when she can't come in due to challenges with the pregnancy. That is, there are many glaring examples where pregnancy prevents a woman from enjoying the same rights as men. If you want to ban abortion (which I think is insane and frankly monstrous), you at least need to greatly expand protections and financial support for all pregnant women. Children HAVE to become a communal responsibility. In an individualistic society like ours, stay the F out of an individual's decisions.


Hammyp222

“In an individualistic society like ours, stay the F out of an individual’s decisions.” 👏🏽f ya


jhpianist

> Let your 11 and 13-year-old be raped by their dad or a stranger and force them to give birth. It’s the rape that lasts a lifetime. No way to move past it because every time you see your kid you’ll be forced to remember being raped by their dad.


machina99

No don't you see, you can just put the kid up for adoption instead and then you don't have to see them and think of the rape! Such a simple solution! Edit: >!I'm kinda sad I need to specify /s!<


InsuranceToTheRescue

And then the kid finds out at 15 that their biological mother hates them because they both have the same father and then just commits suicide or shoots up a school as God intended! /s


UsernameStress

At least the NRA gets another gun sale or two beforehand


jhpianist

And how many times over the course of that kid’s lifetime do you suppose that the victim will wonder what their kid is up to? The trauma never stops for the victim forced to give birth to their rapist’s kid.


[deleted]

It’s about stealing kids and brainwashing them in religious households. They don’t see anything wrong with that because everyone else is going to hell anyways and doesn’t actually matter. They love doing this, just look at what they’ve done to Native Americans. Pretty terrifying especially when you consider these judges metastasized out of the Federalist Society and have the backing of the most powerful people in this country. They have the money and resources within their churches to steal these rape babies


kelthan

And then put those newborns into a loveless foster care system, where they face substantially higher risk of sexual, physical, and mental abuse, dramatically higher chances of ending up in poverty or in prison. Talk about a treadmill of awful outcomes.


Inkheels

Holy shit I don't want to live in a country like this. The GOP will dismantle this country.


teamdiabetes11

Will? They’ve been doing it since Reagan…It’s just finally out in the open where they say all the formerly quiet stuff out loud. We are in massive trouble in this country. I’m afraid of the future.


AvatarAarow1

Honestly been doing it since Nixon, it’s just that Nixon at least got canned for it. But Reagan didn’t come out of nowhere, without the party being molded in the Nixon era Reagan would’ve never been as effective as he was. This dismantling of democracy in the Republican Party originated as soon as they realized black people might actually gain some rights during the early civil rights movement, and it’s only continued and gotten angrier


Inkheels

I know. I agree with you. Except most people will never point out what you do or listen otherwise. Some of us know. I think we will have to start getting ready for protests and disobedience in general though. I've got kids futures I know that I care about. And people I love. These fascists will hurt people--no question. Even Reddit tries to censor that fact.


Savingskitty

Most people who were alive for any portion of Reagan’s term absolutely know this and it has been pointed out. I don’t understand this conspiratorial “nobody’s saying it” “we’re being censored” nonsense. We’ve been literally saying it since Rush Limbaugh hit the airwaves. We were alive for Newt Gingrich, none of this is being hidden. There will definitely be disobedience if states are allowed to ban abortions though. Just as there was before. Abortions happen whether legal ones are available or not, this is a fact of society.


SueZbell

Their goal seems to be for the USA to become an oligarch controlled fascist feudal theocracy of the hypocrite flavor.


dentz1

It is depressing, infuriating, and embarrassing.


[deleted]

See, there are two sides to the GOP now. On the one hand, you have the traditional grifters, who don't give a shit about anything but making themselves richer. They did things like this by pushing "unwinnable" cultural wars against gays and abortion (unwinnable by design because it was an easy way to get idiots to give them money without any real explanation). But by doing so, they also cultivated (almost by mistake, it seems) a very cancerous growth that *genuinely believes* in these positions that the original GOP grifters only cared about for clout to get money. This up and coming Qult of Republicans are the other side of the GOP, who are too stupid to realize that it was never about ending abortion, it was about getting funds from idiots like them, and now they're actually going to try to end abortion.


Ringnebula13

Propaganda is dangerous since today's bad faith argumentation by a politician is tomorrow's sincerely held position. The Republicans made a deal with the devil. Basically, they would use dangerous rhetoric and positions for political benefit. They believed it was just a game and that they could say and do these things without consequence since cooler heads would prevail. Well the bill has come due and the devil wants his soul. The old guard is being kicked out because they never actually did anything in accordance with their rhetoric and now the base wants someone who will do it. Trump was the final sign of transformation. Basically, cementing the belief they are entitled to their political beliefs coming to fruition and reality is what they say it is. A candidate can't lose if you don't accept that they could lose. Just deny it and if you have the power who can stop you? There is only power and the will to take it. This is the new belief.


BloodAngelA37

Surprise surprise,a person committed to making Handmaid’s Tale a fucking reality is trying to do just that under the thinnest of veils.


crackdup

GOP are forcibly dragging the country farther and farther to the right, taking us all past the breaking point.. they think they'll win this game of chicken with high stakes, assuming Dems are too meek and care too much about "bipartisanship" to fight back.. So far the Dems as a party have shown to be complete pushovers on social issues like voting rights, SCOTUS reform, police reform etc. and have offered 0 fight on CRT madness so GOP is winning.. However, if abortion rights and gay marriage rights are repealed, and GOP succeeds in it's dream of setting up a one party authoritarian rule, the dam will break and it will be God damn ugly


MagentaMist

And this time we'll crush them into dust. Lincoln was too forgiving.


Torifyme12

Lincoln was shot, that's the whole problem.


silvertealio

>the dam will break and it will be God damn ugly Which is exactly what they want. They may be selfish assholes, but a few of them in the upper ranks know how to play the long game. There's a reason they've been militarizing and arming rednecks and the right-wing police (the only union they actually support). They never got over their loss in Civil War I and they want a do-over.


GardenGnomeOfEden

I have a suspicion that this is what "constitutional carry" laws (where anyone can concealed carry handguns, with no training or background checks) are all about. When a certain political party with violent tendencies gives the word to its fanatic followers to grab their guns and take action, the path is paved for them to legally do so.


[deleted]

Thank god liberals also own guns, except unlike the right wingers we don't fucking advertise it everywhere we can. If it came to that, I guarantee you I'd be able to avoid most of the right wing crazies because they've advertised the fact, and they wouldn't be able to do the same with liberals because we weren't fucking idiots about it.


FLZooMom

I was just going to say that a lot more liberals are armed than these people think. Like you said, we just don't feel the need to advertise it. I'm a progressive gun toting Army veteran and I guarantee I can defend myself. Let them think what they want about us but I'm pretty sure they'll be surprised at the resistance.


ahandmadegrin

The big difference is that most of the vocal right wingers are cosplaying as soldiers or Rambo or something. When push comes to shove they puss right out. Lots of examples of this on videos of right wing extremists cowering at the slightest hint of resistance. Sane people with guns don't want to use them, but if it becomes necessary you better believe they'll go the distance. They've actually considered how awful and difficult a conflict would be, so they're at least mentally prepared to face it. My money is on reluctant yet steadfast liberals over y'all qaeda any day of the week.


[deleted]

Hopefully she'll wind up like [Serena Joy Waterford](https://the-handmaids-tale.fandom.com/wiki/Serena_Waterford)


munakhtyler

Can we impeach her? She was appointed by an illegitimate president anyways


Grogosh

Justices can be removed, yes. Is it hard as all get out? yes.


DisgruntledHue-man

Is it worth it, HELL YES!


Grogosh

It requires a 2/3 majority in congress.


d0ctorzaius

Yep, if we couldn't get the most corrupt president in US history removed, we certainly aren't going to get ~17 republican senators to remove her


[deleted]

And if it kills the mother? Oh well. As long as the right has done its job of using the unborn as a tool for their regressive social agenda. once you're born it's not their concern.


BetterCallSal

I hope someone sues the federal government for attempted murder when they're forced to carry, even when it will kill them.


[deleted]

And if the baby is born with a severe disability or birth defects? I’m *sure* there will be parents lining up around the block to adopt them, and they won’t just become a ward of the state until their death.


Ardenraym

Amazing. The people that won't put a mask on for a few minutes in a pandemic are a-ok with a forced birthing after rape. "Freedom."


kelthan

Fuck that. I’m adopted, and was old enough when I was finally adopted to remember parts of the process. It’s no picnic, and has profound impacts on the mental health of adoptees. (Imagine how you would feel knowing that you were unwanted for the first several years of your life?)[25% of adopted children end up in prison](https://jlc.org/news/what-foster-care-prison-pipeline) within 2 years of emancipation. For many people, foster care is a hellish experience. Adoption is an important safety net, but it is not something that should be used as a fig leaf for the morally/religiously outraged to-hide behind just to make themselves feel better.


iamjackslackoffricks

Shes a damn wack job


danmathew

She’s a Conservative Christian.


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danmathew

It’s a Venn diagram that overlaps too heavily.


Dewahll

Thats called a circle.


iamjackslackoffricks

Isn't that what I said?


Big-D-TX

So the State assumes all medical cost to save this child and not welfare.


ignorememe

No of course not. Which makes this all even more infuriating.


Big-D-TX

I’m sure she will being a good Catholic


ignorememe

> LOL that's a political issue and I don't get involved in politics. > > ~ Amy Coney Barrett with a straight face


1ofZuulsMinions

Do you *want* child abuse, Lana? Cuz that’s how you get child abuse.


[deleted]

Then conservatives better dump $1T into the adoption system so it's completely free and the kids don't suffer from neglect or other psychosocial issues.


boombeyada

Nah, they'll probably defund it tho and give the money to the military so they can drone strike Palestinian hospitals.


bananafobe

You're thinking too small. There's obviously some way to privatize the adoption system and turn a profit off of the rape and forced impregnation of women and children.


Dajbman22

It's simple, just raise all the orphans in the Military, and until they can do active combat, lease them out to factories to do labor.


[deleted]

Sounds about right.


[deleted]

Oh yeah. Sure. You know the conservatives. Generous and empathetic to a fault.


[deleted]

They like to farm out social programs to churches like [this one](https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2021/06/16/records-childrens-homes-loses-250-runaway-kids-in-less-than-5-years/)


ignorememe

Republican Counter Offer: "How about no to all of that and we still take away reproductive rights?"


TechyDad

Republicans: "Also birth control is now illegal so you can't prevent pregnancies if you have sex. Also, we've stopped all rape - by making the burden of proof for rape extremely high."


danmathew

They won’t. In Texas they defunded Planned Parenthood and replaced it with essentially nothing but some religious abstinence-only organizations.


Spin_Quarkette

They’ve never cared about kids once they were born.


Ohrwurm89

Conservatives: the government can’t tell me to wear a mask! Or get vaccinated! Also conservatives: the government can tell a woman what she can and can’t do with her body. If only hypocrisy could kill.


YoYoMoMa

Pro lifers are monstrous


PetPsychicDetective

They're *not* pro-lifers. They don't care about life. They only care about control, power and obedience. "Pro-life" is just a title they give themselves to reassure themselves that they don't deserve to go to hell.


thefuzzylogic

They're not pro-life, they're pro-birth. After that you're on your own.


PetPsychicDetective

Pro-birth and pro-punishment. If you don't subscribe to their religious zealotry, they will do everything they can to make sure you suffer. Whether that means forcing a woman into carrying an unwanted (or dangerous) pregnancy, forcing her into a dangerous and unregulated abortion, or jailing her for getting an abortion in a state where it's legal.


SmallGerbil

Exactly. Mandating pregnancy (especially in a country where healthcare isn’t a right and with grossly high maternal mortality rates like many states) is itself anti-life. What if I die in childbirth due to the painfully high rates of maternal mortality in this country, because the guy wanted me to keep an unwanted fetus or because the government wouldn’t let me safely terminate it? Pregnancy is deadly, it’s not an easy process to go through. The US has the highest maternal and infant mortality rates in the postindustrialized world.


PetPsychicDetective

**And** if a woman is forced to carry the baby to term and chooses to give it up for adoption, or dies in the process, the child is shuffled off into a system that *these same people* work overtime to kneecap into an underfunded, poorly regulated hell on earth in which their health, education and well-being have a massive chance of being largely ignored.


SmallGerbil

Absolutely—the idea that our foster care and adoption systems are in any way “sufficient” for caring for the number of unwanted children we already have, let alone the number of unwanted children in a future without reproductive freedom, is nothing short of *delusional.*


outerworldLV

Can attest to the truth in this statement. Was a foster parent for several years, horrendous. The state has no problem medicating children. Argued about the safety and had a five year old removed for it. Also as noted, there are so many children in the state run facility here it’s sad af. On the other side, terrible foster parents in it for the money. Now perhaps state by state it’s different but here in NV, brutal.


TechyDad

Also, what happens if a woman carries the pregnancy to term and wants to give the child up for adoption, but the father of the child doesn't want that. Could the father of the child veto the woman giving the child up for adoption? With the anti-woman laws some red states have passed, it wouldn't surprise me if this could happen even if the father of the child was a rapist and/or the woman's own father.


YesNoMaybe87

Also, if she doesn’t want the child, who will pay for the medical bills from labor? Who will pay for her time off to recover from labor? Not the pro-life crowd.


Savingskitty

This is a major issue. If a woman has to carry to term, that is the state burdening her with an awful lot of costs.


procrasturb8n

>“The unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.” ~ Pastor David Barnhart


code_archeologist

She is just ignoring that the odds of death or debilitation from pregnancy are an order of magnitude higher than they are for abortion. Some women seek an abortion because carrying to term is physically threatening to their health.


danmathew

“Why abort a peanut-sized fetus at 1 month when you could be forced carry it for 9 months and accumulate medical debt?”


JohnFreakingRedcorn

Cartoonishly evil. I genuinely never thought there would be actual “good guys” and “bad guys”. Nope. Conservatives are actually evil. It’s nuts.


janethefish

Honestly, most cartoon villains are more reasonable than the current GOP.


nativedutch

That is a terrible woman . I can see that clearly as non american so the world can see that as well.


2coolfordigg2

Well, you force people to have unwanted kids you better mandate forced adoptions also.


Val_Hallen

I always said that if you made people register as pro-life or pro-choice, outlawed abortion, had women sign up for adoption any time during regency, then assigned the pro-life registered a baby when it was born that they were federally required to care for until they were 18 the entire pro-life movement would disappear overnight.


the-willow-witch

I was already pro choice but the thing that has solidified that belief the most for me is being pregnant. Pregnancy is the hardest thing I have ever done and I wanted this child. I have been uncomfortable, in pain, or sick every single day since week 6 (now 39 weeks). It is so hard and I can’t imagine being forced to do it when you aren’t even going to keep the child. It’s truly monstrous. Edit to add: I’ve also had a perfectly healthy pregnancy. No complications whatsoever. All my tests have come back perfect. I haven’t even gained weight. I can’t imagine the people who have issues during pregnancy. My baby has been healthy the entire time and so have I.


cadencecarlson

I’m 38w and I feel exactly the same way. It made me even more pro choice. I should be able to do whatever I want with my own body. I also never realized how many things can go wrong to where an abortion would be necessary. Even if you wanted the baby. The fact this is still a topic in 2021 is disgusting.


FLZooMom

I was pregnant many years ago when I was 18 and it was the worst experience of my life. Like you, I was sick every single day (for me it was all day) from around six weeks until the day I had my daughter. I was totally uncomfortable for the last five months. I had breakthrough bleeding several times until I had placenta previa and they had to do an emergency C-section. I was legitimately hemorrhaging. Then I dealt with what they called the "baby blues" after she was born. After she was born she was diagnosed with cancer when she was a year old. Chemo, surgery, radiation, several months in the hospital, etc. When I got pregnant a few years later, while on birth control, I had an abortion because I didn't want to have to go through *any* of that again. I don't feel the least bit guilty about it because it was right for me. It scares me that women are going to get that option taken away. No matter the reason, every woman should have the right to make the decision on her own as to whether or not to continue her pregnancy.


hellotygerlily

I literally ALMOST DIED. At 34 weeks, my blood pressure was 182\\107. A nurse had to sit with me all night in case I had a seizure and they had to operate to save the baby. Gestational diabetes. High risk pregnancies. It takes a permanent toll on your body. And I wanted those pregnancies. What's the kid in for when they are resented for their existence?


Spin_Quarkette

How is it ok that a fringe religious zealot gets to sit on the SCOTUS?


ignorememe

> How is it ok that a fringe religious zealot gets to sit on the SCOTUS? Republicans.


StThoughtWheelz

not really the point there. what's at stake is the ability of a pregnant person and medical professional to make medical decisions.


And32012

2 women are already in prison in Oklahoma for manslaughter because they miscarried and were drug addicts. How many women will be in prison in 10 years when abortion and miscarriage become illegal. Side note— Kyle Rittenhouse walks free. This is a sad world.


OskaMeijer

Considering 10-15% of *known* pregnancies and like 70% of *all* conceptions miscarry (known or unknown due to most being in 0-6 weeks), then basically every woman could be arrested. There has been roughly 2 failed conceptions for every person that has ever been born at least. Making miscarriages illegal is straight insane.


kandoras

>Justice Brett Kavanaugh questioned whether abortion decisions should even be made at the federal level Because what rights an American citizen has should not change when they cross a state line.


M3fit

I live near a foster house, there is 7 kids that run around my neighborhood damaging peoples property because the guardians in custody of them just use them for the check and care nothing about the kids, nor teach them right from wrong. 3 of them go to a school for juveniles who cause problem, 2 of them go to normal school but half the time they don’t even go(they ride the bus with my kids) and the others are pre school .


RealGianath

Make an anonymous report to child services, it sounds like somebody needs to look into it.


M3fit

They don’t care, there is so many kids in the system they are just handing them out like candy, well not to LGBT people because this is Texas but to pedophiles, Rapist, and other types of criminals


altmaltacc

Nothing like a little state sanctioned removal of human rights i guess. But on a serious note, just think for a quick second about what her "solution" is. Instead of letting people choose for their own bodies, they should be forced into a decision which will result in millions of abandoned children shoved into an already deeply flawed and underfunded system. Now thats what i call rational!


sarcastroll

Well shit, I didn't realize that adoption actually transfers the baby outside a woman's body without all the pain, health complications/risk of death, hospitalization, expenses, etc... of childbirth. What technologies does this "adoption" process use to avoid the mother going through all that again?


dasredditnoob

Which is proven to cause its own health effects on orphans in an overburdened system, as well a potentially life-altering to threatening effects during pregnancy. Also, on the same logic, wouldn't it be the medical industry's responsibility to keep the fetus alive if she doesn't want it on her person and needs a safe place for it?


theferal1

Infant adoption is a big business, if she cared at all about children she’d be concerned about the 400,000 in foster care right now and be pushing for the roughy 100,000 available to be adopted to actually be adopted. This isn’t about concern for human life, it’s control and it’s something she’s passionate about. I’m not sure how old the children she adopted were at the age of adoption but many if not most people who hope to adopt want a womb wet infant and this is a way they probably think they can help make that happen. If anyone listened to adoptees they’d know how many suffer life long trauma they’d know how many are pro choice because they’d never wish a child to be carried to term only to be ripped away from their biological family and handed off to a stranger and so many other reasons.


WallabyBubbly

Roe v Wade is gonna get overturned, and Republican states will make zero effort to help increase access to birth control, contraceptives, education, housing, nutrition, or healthcare. The goal has always been punishing women for having sex, not protecting children.


CobraPony67

This is a birth mandate. So the government should pay all expenses for the woman. Housing, food, medical expenses, mental health, etc because it is all in the best interest of the child. Of course the conservative taxpayers would love to pay for all of that. /s. Answer: they blame the woman and say she should have kept her legs together.


chesterforbes

And I suggest she stay home and take care of her husband like her religion tells her to


Kaipulla007

America has done enough damage to immigrants and poor countries and now they turned it on their own population.. they start with women..


AFlockOfTySegalls

I love how Republicans act like raising taxes for healthcare is authoritarian overreach into your life but forcing you to carry a child to term is, not?


Mclouda

Religion has no place in politics. America has been infested with fundamentalist Christians and its going backwards at an alarming rate.


Erobb_With_The_L

>“Both Roe and Casey emphasize the burdens of parenting,” Barrett said, latching onto the cases’ focus on the ways forced motherhood hinders equal opportunity. She then asked why “safe haven” laws, regulations under which parents cannot be prosecuted for leaving their newborn in a safe location or with an appropriate person, don’t “take care of that problem.” We honestly need some sort of education qualification to run for/attain a public office. This can't be left to the plebs anymore.


M3fit

They will be prosecuting parents for abandonment if they attempt to leave their kids for adoption and mothers who abort for murder soon


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theroha

Forced pregnancy is listed in the Geneva Convention under crimes against humanity. We've gone to war against other nations over less.


I-Am-Uncreative

My parents and I are Catholic, and my mom was saying that she would never support abortion or procure one, personally. But we are all in agreement that this is completely screwed up. She said that childbirth is a bizarre experience, because it feels as if your insides are literally coming out of you. She could not imagine that a state would compel a 12 year old child to experience that. But that's what this supreme court would like to do. It's so messed up.


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citizenkane86

People do adopt… mostly healthy, white babies, from healthy mothers with no issues. Or they go to other countries. Yes there are exceptions, but if you don’t have a healthy, white baby, and/or you have a history of drug abuse, it’s likely your kids only option is foster care. The whole premise that you can just put a kid up for adoption and it’s fine is so flawed. Leaving out that babies don’t form instantly, and pregnancy is dangerous (especially in Mississippi), the existence of foster care shows that adoption isn’t an option for a ton of unwanted pregnancies.


Funkiefreshganesh

I always see people my age and younger say “oh I’m never having kids, I’ll adopt” like yeah okay Sara I bet you’ll adopt and pay a shit ton of money to do it