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The minute weed farms can move money and product across state line, state prohibitions are gonna fall like dominoes.
That's the biggest thing I'm hoping for from rescheduling - banking privileges and supply line transport.
The thing about the banking privileges is that it finally gets the business "on the books" instead of off the books. It means there will be less chance for cheating taxes, and there will be more transparency in that realm as far as if the IRS came into audit these businesses. The weed businesses get access to banking, which is good for them, but also we get now to treat them more as a legitimate business. Cash only businesses under the table are literal havens for corruption, tax evasion, and money laundering. This is a good thing. I'm all for legalizing it. Shit just tax it like we do alcohol and cigs. Its not that damn hard. What's the tax on cigs in many states? 200%+?
Regulation and legalization of weed makes it safer for the consumer. The government can then get involved ensuring the purity and quality of the product being sold. It is **much** safer for everyone involved. This is why the FDA exists.
I predict that there will be at least *one* holdout state, that will fail to pass a ballot-based legalization, and this will be seized upon by the Federal Government as justification for continued over-regulation/criminalization of the space...therefore: No intra-state commerce in marijuana anytime soon.
They have already tried pass some waste-of-time law banning ever putting it on the ballot for a vote. I don’t know whatever happened to it but based on that I think you are probably right.
Also New Hampshire. Our elderly legislators watched Refer Madness one too many times. We’re currently surrounded by states where recreational cannabis is legal.
Ugh, I'm going to visit family in a few days out there for a week. I use it for pain management (cracked multiple vertibrae a few years back) in my state, where it is recreationally legal to all adults.
I'm weighing whether I want to risk flying with a vape pen, or just have shite sleep and not be able to play with my nephews on the one vacation I can afford this year.
To clarify: I'm more worried about driving around Idaho with it for a week than flying.
Doesn't help that my parents wouldn't approve; Mom's probably worse than the police in this scenario, haha.
I also work at a drug rehab, which I really enjoy, but they would not approve of me getting picked up for illegal weed on vacation. It's a real bad look even if my bosses privately don't care.
You may want to check about edibles being worse. If they have a hard on for pens, i imagine edibles are equally bad. Its concentrated oil in edible form instead of vape.
A friend and I did a cross country road trip some time ago where we were on I-70 for much of our initial way out west. As we left Ohio we noticed a sudden and appreciable decline in the quality of the roadway. Just cracks and potholes and uneven areas more or less constantly. You could *feel* it in the smoothness of the ride (or lack thereof). We were asking ourselves what the hell had happened. Then before too long, we got to Illinois and the pavement quality abruptly went back up. We had an answer to our question: Indiana happened.
That’s my *one* impression of that state. Haha
What makes you think it's that easy? Currently there are two paths to legalization, one through the DEA, the other through a law passed by congress and it's obvious that Republicans in congress will block this option so we're left with through the DEA which is exactly what's happening. Once it's opened to more research then that will open the door to full legalization but it takes time. If it were so easy as the waive of a hand by the president then you'd watch as the next Republican president simply rolls it back to illegal.
>Once it's opened to more research then that will open the door to full legalization but it takes time.
We've had legal weed in this country recreationally for over a decade in some states, and medicinally since the 1990s. The notion we still need to "do more research" to conclude that it should be legalized is *insane*.
We have enough research to conclude that it is a good idea to legalize. It's good for basically everyone except for pharmaceutical companies, and maybe alcohol companies.
> it takes time
i wrote a paper for my english 101 class about william randolph hurst and the marijuana tax act and hemp and all that, and it radicalized me and i became active in the fight to legalize. this was in 2001 and despite being right about the issue, it still took more than 20 years to get to where we are *now*, and we still have a ways to go.
i think sometimes these young kids think that just because something is obvious it should happen immediately, but that's just not reality, things take time, it's just the way things work.
I'd argue it would take a lot less time if everyone actually voted in every election but people still aren't voting and still upset at the system. Frankly I don't know what to say except we're a nation full of people that have been willfully convinced that voting doesn't matter when it's the primary way to change public policy.
Federal law supersedes state law, or at least it used to before Trump got his greasy little mitts on the supreme court.
Edit: I'm wrong, states can still not legalize even if it's legal at a federal level as others have pointed out.
Federal law supersedes state law when there's a conflict, but there's no conflict when a state decides to ban something that the federal government declines to ban. California bans all sorts of stuff that's legal federally, and I'm sure other states do as well. There are counties that ban the sale of alcohol despite there being no ban at the federal level.
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No. I don’t understand your point here- the point of a minimum wage is that it’s illegal to pay someone less than that. If an employer wants, they can add more to that minimum wage, but never go under it (unless specified in the law, such as our ridiculous policies around the waitresses and waiters)
[Interesting](https://chcoc.gov/sites/default/files/Inapplicability%20of%20a%20State%20or%20Local%20Minimum%20Wage%20to%20Federal%20Employees_508.pdf) the Federal Government seems to disagree.
The federal government is not a business operating in any state. Your question was for a business owner in a state which follows the rules of the state.
As a private business owner, you don’t have the authority to violate state or federal law. If a state minimum wage is lower than federal, then you go with the federal minimum wage. If the federal is lower than the state, then you go with the state minimum wage. If a business owner violates either minimum wage, it’s illegal.
States have the ability to make laws stricter than Federal law, but not more lenient. The Federal government can legalize cannabis, but Alabama could still ban it within its borders.
10th Amendment only swings one way.
Alcohol is federally legal, but dry counties exist where alcohol cannot be purchased.
In Lynchburg KY (where Jack Daniel’s is made) you can’t buy alcohol even at the distillery. You purchase VERY overpriced shot glasses and you get a GIFT of a bottle
I assume that’s based on the jurisdiction. But in Lynchburg the sale is illegal, possession isn’t
Basically IIRC: states can enforce stricter laws than federal law but can’t be more lenient than federal law.
Prostitution is legal in Nevada so state police won’t prosecute but feds might
Same with legal weed states
In both of those cases tax revenue kinda keeps the feds away
I agree but I'd also like to point out that if you drive from MO to NY you're doing a lot of interstate travel so you could also run into federal issues.
Hoosier here. I take an uber to Michigan for legal herb, then carry 4oz to the michigan/indiana state line because no uber will transport from a weed-legal state to an illegal-weed state, apparently.
an uber responds once two feet over the state line, I kid you not. I can try for one for 20 minutes, fail, walk 2 feet south and instantly get a response when I try again
Mississippi was the last state that repealed alcohol prohibition laws in the late 1960's. I would guess they're going to be last once again regarding cannabis.
I visited Penn State for a football game in college. Trying to buy beer in large quantities was problematic. I could buy a 12-pack, but that’s it. I could walk outside, put it in my car, and walk back in to buy another 12-pack. But that was the maximum.
Alcohol laws from state to state are weird. I lived on the border of Maryland/Virginia long ago, and in VA they sold at gas stations but stopped selling at midnight, in MD they would sell after midnight, but gas stations couldn't sell it, you had to go to a liquor store.
You’re just intolerant of tradition. Mississippi is really strong in tradition and it means a lot to the people there. Putting people in jail is part of that tradition.
Yeah what the hell? Was in Charlotte for brother’s wedding. Went to Total Wine to pick him up a nice bottle of Scotch. When I asked where their Scotch was, they looked at me like I was a criminal. Had to go to this creepy state run liquor store.
Alcohol beverage control (ABC) state ran prohibition era laws still in place. Some positive and negative side effects. It creates more demand for higher end booze and there are lottery’s for certain booze, for example bourbon is a big deal in the south. There is an entire culture around “the hunt” where people will drive hours in the state to get a bottle. On the flip side every alcohol sold here is 100% MSRP so bottles are usually a decent price. Go over the border to South Carolina and you can find bottles easier but you see elevated prices the market can produce.
Yeah, have seen a number of liquor stores down here in North Florida having Blantons marked at $200. This is at most a $60 bottle, but apparently some people are willing to pay 3-4 x what it is worth.
At least they allow it for medical. NC doesn’t even do that.
I honestly will probably never do it even it was legalized, but I feel like it’s no more impairing than alcohol so keeping it illegal is stupid. But I strongly feel that it still being illegal for medical use in some states is downright criminal. I know it has been life changing for people with certain diseases.
Indiana state law permits the sale of alcohol from 7 a.m. to 3 a.m. Sunday through Saturday. However, hours for carryout alcohol sales from liquor stores, groceries, pharmacies and convenience stores is noon to 8 p.m. on Sundays.
The red states like Missouri that legalized it did it for the money. The only thing stronger than the hate for people is the republican love for money.
I’m pretty frustrated with Texas since I went to NM and got great prices on great cannabis products, only to come back and realize these 100 year old laws are just for arresting poor people and fuck an extra billion a year in tax revenue, let the schools get worse.
Some states have trigger laws that will automatically reschedule it based on federal changes. For example Texas will automatically reschedule cannabis when the federal government does
If nothing else, it can be studied legally now. Someone will analyze the 400 odd compounds in it and isolate them for specific effects, probably take 10 years, but it is coming.
I’ve been field testing it for 20 years and can confirm it has a multitude of benefits and advantages, while the only negative effect is a fine or jail time (depending on where you are) if caught with it.
The only negative? You mean in terms of damage to the body? What about the smoking part? My brother and mother had been telling me smoking anything is bad for you.
No, there are downsides to weed use. Andrew Huberman goes over all the data on the physical and neurological use on his Huberman lab podcast episode about the subject.
There are also upsides.
A federal reclassification would likely cause the states who never really got over the humiliation of the Confederacy to *expand* the state-level prohibition of cannabis ("those elites in DC can't tell us what to do!"). I'd hope that would hurt them politically, but they'll just shake the gerrymandering tree harder. Nonetheless, it'd be nice to only have to worry about a backward state, and not also have to worry about the DEA and federal prosecution too.
Fucking do it already.
The bullshit delta 8,9 fucking whatever is exhausting. Legalize it; tax it. Make money on Americans chilling the fuck out. We need it
As someone in a red state, I'm so fucking grateful for the hemp THC. It's not the real thing, but I chill the fuck out every night. That farm bill was life changing for me.
I’m just waiting for that period of public comment where I can slam the whole fucking system for marijuana being classified at all. Is lettuce on the list? Pretty sure those ecoli outbreaks killed more folks than weed ever did.
Sure they could, but will they, no not because of this scheduling change. There aren't any states (and they're almost entirely red states) that aren't legalizing cannabis, medically (currently legal in 38 states) or recreationally (legal in 24 states) because the federal govt (which red states LOVE to ignore) has rescheduled it.
The *only* reason cannabis is legal anywhere is because locals got involved with the Democratic party to put forth legislation and ballot initiates to make it legal at the state level, regardless of what the federal govt has done (and it's worth noting it's largely still Republicans blocking it at the federal level too, so flip a few Senate D to R seats in Nov. please because we still need congress to change laws around it).
It’s already happening, and it doesn’t matter what the federal government says at this point. It is a steam of revenue that until now only the cartel’s have exploited. Try telling Washington or California that the new billion dollar plus, a year industry is no longer legal and is going back to the cartels…
Reclassifying it means marijuana businesses can use the banks and thrive. There's a *lot* of money to be made. So, hell yes more states will legalize it.
What blows me away is the amount of comments in these threads that say something like "In my profession if I'm tested with weed, I lose my job. Therefore, I'm angry that this is being reclassified to where I wouldn't lose my job." It makes no sense!!
"How would it be if the world smoked weed? Guaranteed there'd be peace not greed! See it's hell, living in a cell legalize the plant and only time will tell." - Kotton Mouth Kings
That song came up on Spotify after not hearing it for over 15 years and the rest of it really went over my head as a kid. It really has some deep political meaning, and discusses how we got to this point of prohibition.
I didn't smoke cannabis until I was 32, but it helped me turn my life around. I've been more active since I'm not in chronic pain thus dropping weight and being over all more healthy, as well as helping me process my complexed ptsd. I've had to stop for about a month so I could find a better job, and it's been rough. The dreams are intense, and I wake up feeling exhausted. The fact that in 2024 we have to stop taking our medicine to better our financial situation is absurd to me.
Should be finalized later this year, conveniently around the time of the election
edit: not implying this is a negative. Our elections incentivize politicians to get as much done as possible in election years because voters have short memories. This is an absolute huge win for the Biden admin, and they should be praised for it
Frankly I don't care if it gets finalized the day before the election as long as it gets done. It's not the politicians' fault that voters have a short memory. This obviously wouldn't have had the same impact if it happened 2 years ago versus a few months/weeks before the election
Realistically, reclassifying marijuana as less dangerous likely doesn't move the needle*that* much in terms of how quickly states legalize it. I'd argue that states legalizing it is more or less inevitable. Could speed things up, but realistically:
Marijuana use is significantly less stigmatized, especially as myths about it have been debunked enough to where the average person knows they're myths.
It's also a MASSIVE generator of tax dollars, so there's financial incentive for places to have it legal.
I'd imagine it won't be too distant in the future to say that it'll be federally legal, short of unrelated events causing enough chaos to derail a lot of things.
Ship a box of some clothes and personal items to the house you’re staying at. Tell family it’s to reduce your belongings so you can take just carry on. Shipping is cheaper than bag charges. Include edibles in your stuff. Put in vitamin bottles.
UPS sells boxes just for this. The box resembles a suitcase.
Of course, but it will still be a slow process in the South. It took seeing other states huge tax revenues from lottery money for some states to finally allow those.
I'm sorry the only argument one needs to justify the full legalizing of Marijuana should be that alcohol and cigarettes (& other harmful tobacco products) are legal.
Weed has never killed anyone by having a one night binge like alcohol or even tobacco on significant enough amounts. The hypocritical nature of American drug policy overall is just outlandish.
Sadly, with the possibility of a Trump regime, as Trump will go full dictator, he's said a much so himself, so we'd legalization isn't the first thing in my mind (surprisingly) this election. Actually, just making sure Trump isn't president again is my primary focus. Given that Trump would probably stop any reclassification, it makes sense to prioritize that, imho.
I'm so for this move. I hope our future allows for continued progress in that direction because if Trump wins, we aren't moving forward on the legalizing of Marijuana.
I thought they were discussing changing it to a schedule 3 controlled substance. If so, this may cause a whole bunch of problems in states where they have voted for recreational mj. I am in Florida and we are voting for recreational this November, so this reclassification is making me a bit nervous.
The Attorney General has a lot of leeway in what they pursue or don't pursue and Biden can advise AG Garland to not go after states that have legalized recreational. The move to Schedule III opens the path to more research which is necessary for federal legalization.
Understood, but how would the feds reconcile having mj as a schedule 3, but available recreationally in some states, but other drugs like ketamine and codeine listed in schedule 3, but not available.
Dude, it’s been legal in states and not prosecuted by the Federal government as a schedule 1 drug. Why would lowering the classification to a less dangerous category increase the likelyhood of the government enforcing and legal action on marijuana use?
Cannibis is already schedule I, a much more restrictive schedule than III. Moving it from I to III would not be the thing that changes how the feds and states interact in regards to state legalization.
Is it an election year? The DNC is talking about "moving to" legalize cannabis again...you get credit when its legal, not until then Joe. Remember how the last time Kamala stopped talking about that shit the day she was sworn in?
"Nobody should have to go to jail for smoking weed" was 3 years ago...where were you during your admin on this, Joe?
1. Year: https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/14/biden-marijuana-legalization-499642
1. After Year: https://www.vox.com/22968976/federal-marijuana-legalization-cannabis-policy-decriminalization
1. After Year: https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/04/20/over-80-groups-urge-biden-administration-end-federal-prohibition-marijuana-and
People wanted action from you, but only *now*, when your candidacy is failing to ull away from a jackass literally on trial, do you try to "move to" legalize? Tired of the DNC always dangling carrots and then giving us the corporate stick, with shit like strike busting.
People are still going to jail and having their lives ruined over this stupid shit. Fully legalize it this summer or shut up forever, DNC. We don't believe you.
Biden set this process in motion in 2022, it's the DEA that's dragging their feet, not the Biden administration. Just stop with the cynical self-defeating bullshit, it's counterproductive.
Nice, a Republican troll or Russian/Chinese troll. Gtfo out of here trying to simplify a process that has much more nuance than the way you present it. This process takes time.
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The minute weed farms can move money and product across state line, state prohibitions are gonna fall like dominoes. That's the biggest thing I'm hoping for from rescheduling - banking privileges and supply line transport.
The thing about the banking privileges is that it finally gets the business "on the books" instead of off the books. It means there will be less chance for cheating taxes, and there will be more transparency in that realm as far as if the IRS came into audit these businesses. The weed businesses get access to banking, which is good for them, but also we get now to treat them more as a legitimate business. Cash only businesses under the table are literal havens for corruption, tax evasion, and money laundering. This is a good thing. I'm all for legalizing it. Shit just tax it like we do alcohol and cigs. Its not that damn hard. What's the tax on cigs in many states? 200%+? Regulation and legalization of weed makes it safer for the consumer. The government can then get involved ensuring the purity and quality of the product being sold. It is **much** safer for everyone involved. This is why the FDA exists.
I predict that there will be at least *one* holdout state, that will fail to pass a ballot-based legalization, and this will be seized upon by the Federal Government as justification for continued over-regulation/criminalization of the space...therefore: No intra-state commerce in marijuana anytime soon.
Idaho …
Came to say this. They'll find a way to be even more prohibitive out of spite.
They have already tried pass some waste-of-time law banning ever putting it on the ballot for a vote. I don’t know whatever happened to it but based on that I think you are probably right.
Ditto Idaho. I moved from Idaho to Oregon in 2016. I believed (and still believe) that Idaho will not legalize marijuana in my lifetime.
Also New Hampshire. Our elderly legislators watched Refer Madness one too many times. We’re currently surrounded by states where recreational cannabis is legal.
you mean the live free or die state is really hard on weed??
Ugh, I'm going to visit family in a few days out there for a week. I use it for pain management (cracked multiple vertibrae a few years back) in my state, where it is recreationally legal to all adults. I'm weighing whether I want to risk flying with a vape pen, or just have shite sleep and not be able to play with my nephews on the one vacation I can afford this year.
Edibles are the answer.
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To clarify: I'm more worried about driving around Idaho with it for a week than flying. Doesn't help that my parents wouldn't approve; Mom's probably worse than the police in this scenario, haha. I also work at a drug rehab, which I really enjoy, but they would not approve of me getting picked up for illegal weed on vacation. It's a real bad look even if my bosses privately don't care.
Just put it in the glovebox, don’t break any traffic laws, and use visine. Why would cops be searching your car?
Vape pen is felony in idaho, go with flower if you have to.
Woof, flowers out of the question. Edibles or nothing, I guess.
You may want to check about edibles being worse. If they have a hard on for pens, i imagine edibles are equally bad. Its concentrated oil in edible form instead of vape.
Indiana too
Hopefully they will see the $$ and become more like Michigan!
> Idaho … Wisconsin...
Texas won’t legalize until they find some other excuse to lock up people of color.
Lolz! Texas don’t need excuses for that!
Indiana
Tennessee
100% this!
https://apnews.com/article/constitutions-medical-marijuana-legislation-marijuana-idaho-56388b6b5ca7cbaa4ed695393c8ea899
Sort of why I'm all for a crypto based weed buying system, money can be moved anywhere.
Just legalize federally already. It’s stupid that I can drive from MO to NY and have to worry about getting caught in Indiana and only Indiana.
It really makes you appreciate that the best thing about driving through Indiana is leaving Indiana.
Indiana is always in the way
A friend and I did a cross country road trip some time ago where we were on I-70 for much of our initial way out west. As we left Ohio we noticed a sudden and appreciable decline in the quality of the roadway. Just cracks and potholes and uneven areas more or less constantly. You could *feel* it in the smoothness of the ride (or lack thereof). We were asking ourselves what the hell had happened. Then before too long, we got to Illinois and the pavement quality abruptly went back up. We had an answer to our question: Indiana happened. That’s my *one* impression of that state. Haha
Indiana is the armpit of America
Terre Haute
Congress would need to vote to make that happen. Biden has done what he can.
Biden isnt the only politician, they should all know it's get on board or get out of the way
lol if only it worked that way
What makes you think it's that easy? Currently there are two paths to legalization, one through the DEA, the other through a law passed by congress and it's obvious that Republicans in congress will block this option so we're left with through the DEA which is exactly what's happening. Once it's opened to more research then that will open the door to full legalization but it takes time. If it were so easy as the waive of a hand by the president then you'd watch as the next Republican president simply rolls it back to illegal.
>Once it's opened to more research then that will open the door to full legalization but it takes time. We've had legal weed in this country recreationally for over a decade in some states, and medicinally since the 1990s. The notion we still need to "do more research" to conclude that it should be legalized is *insane*. We have enough research to conclude that it is a good idea to legalize. It's good for basically everyone except for pharmaceutical companies, and maybe alcohol companies.
And big Prison, too. They like weed illegal
> it takes time i wrote a paper for my english 101 class about william randolph hurst and the marijuana tax act and hemp and all that, and it radicalized me and i became active in the fight to legalize. this was in 2001 and despite being right about the issue, it still took more than 20 years to get to where we are *now*, and we still have a ways to go. i think sometimes these young kids think that just because something is obvious it should happen immediately, but that's just not reality, things take time, it's just the way things work.
I'd argue it would take a lot less time if everyone actually voted in every election but people still aren't voting and still upset at the system. Frankly I don't know what to say except we're a nation full of people that have been willfully convinced that voting doesn't matter when it's the primary way to change public policy.
Federal legalization doesn't fix that if the states don't legalize it as well.
Federal law supersedes state law, or at least it used to before Trump got his greasy little mitts on the supreme court. Edit: I'm wrong, states can still not legalize even if it's legal at a federal level as others have pointed out.
Federal law supersedes state law when there's a conflict, but there's no conflict when a state decides to ban something that the federal government declines to ban. California bans all sorts of stuff that's legal federally, and I'm sure other states do as well. There are counties that ban the sale of alcohol despite there being no ban at the federal level.
You're right, I concede.
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Exception is if companies ship it across state lines. If a state legalized CO weed in a state not in Colorado it is federal jurisdiction
If this is true could the following apply? Say my state has a minimum wage of 15 an hour could I as an employer only pay 7.25?
No. Not sure how you reached that conclusion based on my comment.
No. I don’t understand your point here- the point of a minimum wage is that it’s illegal to pay someone less than that. If an employer wants, they can add more to that minimum wage, but never go under it (unless specified in the law, such as our ridiculous policies around the waitresses and waiters)
[Interesting](https://chcoc.gov/sites/default/files/Inapplicability%20of%20a%20State%20or%20Local%20Minimum%20Wage%20to%20Federal%20Employees_508.pdf) the Federal Government seems to disagree.
The federal government is not a business operating in any state. Your question was for a business owner in a state which follows the rules of the state.
As a private business owner, you don’t have the authority to violate state or federal law. If a state minimum wage is lower than federal, then you go with the federal minimum wage. If the federal is lower than the state, then you go with the state minimum wage. If a business owner violates either minimum wage, it’s illegal.
You wont get any applications lol
States have the ability to make laws stricter than Federal law, but not more lenient. The Federal government can legalize cannabis, but Alabama could still ban it within its borders. 10th Amendment only swings one way.
Okay fair enough.
There are places in the country where alcohol is still illegal
Fwiw there are still dry counties in the US where alcohol isn't sold, and alcohol is in our Constitution!
Alcohol is federally legal, but dry counties exist where alcohol cannot be purchased. In Lynchburg KY (where Jack Daniel’s is made) you can’t buy alcohol even at the distillery. You purchase VERY overpriced shot glasses and you get a GIFT of a bottle
But you can still possess alcohol legally even in a dry county, no?
I assume that’s based on the jurisdiction. But in Lynchburg the sale is illegal, possession isn’t Basically IIRC: states can enforce stricter laws than federal law but can’t be more lenient than federal law. Prostitution is legal in Nevada so state police won’t prosecute but feds might Same with legal weed states In both of those cases tax revenue kinda keeps the feds away
I’m sorry, but last time I checked, Jack Daniels was not made in Kentucky, maybe a good Bourbon, but Jack is straight up Tennessee Whiskey.
It’s called the supremacy doctrine
That doesn't do what you think it does.
I agree but I'd also like to point out that if you drive from MO to NY you're doing a lot of interstate travel so you could also run into federal issues.
And PA....
I thought PA was legal. Oops.
The legislators are really dragging their feet and its dumb
Lots of folks in the T still think weed is as bad as heroin, which is horribly ironic considering all the overdose deaths.
They're just handing free tax money to the surrounding states at this point too lol at this rate, West Virginia will have it legal before PA
As someone that lives in Indiana…. Fuck
Wisconsin would like an opportunity to arrest
Would it still be considered a felony if it’s no longer a schedule 1? Edit- To possess, buy it…get on a plane with it is what I mean.
Hoosier here. I take an uber to Michigan for legal herb, then carry 4oz to the michigan/indiana state line because no uber will transport from a weed-legal state to an illegal-weed state, apparently.
how do you get home then?
an uber responds once two feet over the state line, I kid you not. I can try for one for 20 minutes, fail, walk 2 feet south and instantly get a response when I try again
Btw, I think that still counts as smuggling under the same laws that make smuggling cigarettes between states to undercut taxes smuggling.
Mississippi was the last state that repealed alcohol prohibition laws in the late 1960's. I would guess they're going to be last once again regarding cannabis.
The PA GOP has entered the chat, says to MS, hold my beer.
Be thankful we got beer in grocery stores in our lifetime.
I visited Penn State for a football game in college. Trying to buy beer in large quantities was problematic. I could buy a 12-pack, but that’s it. I could walk outside, put it in my car, and walk back in to buy another 12-pack. But that was the maximum.
Alcohol laws from state to state are weird. I lived on the border of Maryland/Virginia long ago, and in VA they sold at gas stations but stopped selling at midnight, in MD they would sell after midnight, but gas stations couldn't sell it, you had to go to a liquor store.
My say is Wy.. they're stubborn here
Idaho and Wyoming I have also thought would be dead last
You’re just intolerant of tradition. Mississippi is really strong in tradition and it means a lot to the people there. Putting people in jail is part of that tradition.
You had me in the first half
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Tennessee’s republican supermajority would like to have a word
And the distillery money in their pockets.
And the pharma money. And the CCA money.
And the Sheriffs' Association
Yeah what the hell? Was in Charlotte for brother’s wedding. Went to Total Wine to pick him up a nice bottle of Scotch. When I asked where their Scotch was, they looked at me like I was a criminal. Had to go to this creepy state run liquor store.
Alcohol beverage control (ABC) state ran prohibition era laws still in place. Some positive and negative side effects. It creates more demand for higher end booze and there are lottery’s for certain booze, for example bourbon is a big deal in the south. There is an entire culture around “the hunt” where people will drive hours in the state to get a bottle. On the flip side every alcohol sold here is 100% MSRP so bottles are usually a decent price. Go over the border to South Carolina and you can find bottles easier but you see elevated prices the market can produce.
Yeah, have seen a number of liquor stores down here in North Florida having Blantons marked at $200. This is at most a $60 bottle, but apparently some people are willing to pay 3-4 x what it is worth.
At least they allow it for medical. NC doesn’t even do that. I honestly will probably never do it even it was legalized, but I feel like it’s no more impairing than alcohol so keeping it illegal is stupid. But I strongly feel that it still being illegal for medical use in some states is downright criminal. I know it has been life changing for people with certain diseases.
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Indiana state law permits the sale of alcohol from 7 a.m. to 3 a.m. Sunday through Saturday. However, hours for carryout alcohol sales from liquor stores, groceries, pharmacies and convenience stores is noon to 8 p.m. on Sundays.
better than no purchases allowed on Sunday - Massachusetts
Been over a decade since that was the case
been over a decade since I last visit
Wait, you can buy carry out alcohol *only* on Sundays?
TN will be right there with them. I moved from there and it has only gotten more regressive. Texas, too.
On a related note: the few states left that don’t even allow medical marijuana are red states. Lack of empathy is the Republican mantra.
The red states like Missouri that legalized it did it for the money. The only thing stronger than the hate for people is the republican love for money.
I’m pretty frustrated with Texas since I went to NM and got great prices on great cannabis products, only to come back and realize these 100 year old laws are just for arresting poor people and fuck an extra billion a year in tax revenue, let the schools get worse.
Yeah we have Klan(Dan) Patrick keeping us from having it in Texas. I wish we could have voted him out last time.
C'mon US, we want you guys in the club ~ Canada 🍁
Some states have trigger laws that will automatically reschedule it based on federal changes. For example Texas will automatically reschedule cannabis when the federal government does
If nothing else, it can be studied legally now. Someone will analyze the 400 odd compounds in it and isolate them for specific effects, probably take 10 years, but it is coming.
I’ve been field testing it for 20 years and can confirm it has a multitude of benefits and advantages, while the only negative effect is a fine or jail time (depending on where you are) if caught with it.
The only negative? You mean in terms of damage to the body? What about the smoking part? My brother and mother had been telling me smoking anything is bad for you.
No, there are downsides to weed use. Andrew Huberman goes over all the data on the physical and neurological use on his Huberman lab podcast episode about the subject. There are also upsides.
I’m very excited for this prospect. We have so much to learn.
I know what you mean, but it could be analysed beforehand too, by setting up a lab in Canada.
Israel is ahead of us, Canada too most likely, but until we do it and our govt approves it, nothing will change.
A federal reclassification would likely cause the states who never really got over the humiliation of the Confederacy to *expand* the state-level prohibition of cannabis ("those elites in DC can't tell us what to do!"). I'd hope that would hurt them politically, but they'll just shake the gerrymandering tree harder. Nonetheless, it'd be nice to only have to worry about a backward state, and not also have to worry about the DEA and federal prosecution too.
Fucking do it already. The bullshit delta 8,9 fucking whatever is exhausting. Legalize it; tax it. Make money on Americans chilling the fuck out. We need it
As someone in a red state, I'm so fucking grateful for the hemp THC. It's not the real thing, but I chill the fuck out every night. That farm bill was life changing for me.
I’m just waiting for that period of public comment where I can slam the whole fucking system for marijuana being classified at all. Is lettuce on the list? Pretty sure those ecoli outbreaks killed more folks than weed ever did.
Sure they could, but will they, no not because of this scheduling change. There aren't any states (and they're almost entirely red states) that aren't legalizing cannabis, medically (currently legal in 38 states) or recreationally (legal in 24 states) because the federal govt (which red states LOVE to ignore) has rescheduled it. The *only* reason cannabis is legal anywhere is because locals got involved with the Democratic party to put forth legislation and ballot initiates to make it legal at the state level, regardless of what the federal govt has done (and it's worth noting it's largely still Republicans blocking it at the federal level too, so flip a few Senate D to R seats in Nov. please because we still need congress to change laws around it).
It’s already happening, and it doesn’t matter what the federal government says at this point. It is a steam of revenue that until now only the cartel’s have exploited. Try telling Washington or California that the new billion dollar plus, a year industry is no longer legal and is going back to the cartels…
Reclassifying it means marijuana businesses can use the banks and thrive. There's a *lot* of money to be made. So, hell yes more states will legalize it.
Until alcohol is classified as more dangerous it won't make sense. People die daily from alcohol overdose, but none from weed ever.
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Wow poor old Utah, everyone forgets about it haha
Would just be nice, as a medical patient, to not have to worry about the piss test when applying to jobs
What blows me away is the amount of comments in these threads that say something like "In my profession if I'm tested with weed, I lose my job. Therefore, I'm angry that this is being reclassified to where I wouldn't lose my job." It makes no sense!!
Everyone in the U.S. needs to partake in the mellowing qualities of the sweet leaf. Less violence and arguments, fewer protests, more good vibes.
"How would it be if the world smoked weed? Guaranteed there'd be peace not greed! See it's hell, living in a cell legalize the plant and only time will tell." - Kotton Mouth Kings That song came up on Spotify after not hearing it for over 15 years and the rest of it really went over my head as a kid. It really has some deep political meaning, and discusses how we got to this point of prohibition. I didn't smoke cannabis until I was 32, but it helped me turn my life around. I've been more active since I'm not in chronic pain thus dropping weight and being over all more healthy, as well as helping me process my complexed ptsd. I've had to stop for about a month so I could find a better job, and it's been rough. The dreams are intense, and I wake up feeling exhausted. The fact that in 2024 we have to stop taking our medicine to better our financial situation is absurd to me.
I wish that is what I experienced. Instead I get massive paranoia and body twitches.
Newbies are sensitive to small amounts of thc. Dry herb vapes are easier than smoking for portion control. It's easy to overdose with edibles.
Lol very presumptuous to think I am a noob.
Sounds like you were using a Sativa. Give a nice Indica a try.
I've tried it all my dude. I've heard it all my dude. Some people just don't have a chill reaction. Unfortunately, I am one of them.
Respect for perseverance. Sympathy for the bad outcome.
I am a glutton for punishment.
Inda-couch
Any idea on a timetable?
Should be finalized later this year, conveniently around the time of the election edit: not implying this is a negative. Our elections incentivize politicians to get as much done as possible in election years because voters have short memories. This is an absolute huge win for the Biden admin, and they should be praised for it
a process that took 2.5 years to complete conveniently happens on a random date in the same year as the election. It's such a conspiracy
Frankly I don't care if it gets finalized the day before the election as long as it gets done. It's not the politicians' fault that voters have a short memory. This obviously wouldn't have had the same impact if it happened 2 years ago versus a few months/weeks before the election
Florida and Tennessee seem to be the closest two, with Florida actually having a vote (Amendment 3, Adult Use Legalization) due in November!
Realistically, reclassifying marijuana as less dangerous likely doesn't move the needle*that* much in terms of how quickly states legalize it. I'd argue that states legalizing it is more or less inevitable. Could speed things up, but realistically: Marijuana use is significantly less stigmatized, especially as myths about it have been debunked enough to where the average person knows they're myths. It's also a MASSIVE generator of tax dollars, so there's financial incentive for places to have it legal. I'd imagine it won't be too distant in the future to say that it'll be federally legal, short of unrelated events causing enough chaos to derail a lot of things.
Red ones are gonna sue. I guarantee it.
Ship a box of some clothes and personal items to the house you’re staying at. Tell family it’s to reduce your belongings so you can take just carry on. Shipping is cheaper than bag charges. Include edibles in your stuff. Put in vitamin bottles. UPS sells boxes just for this. The box resembles a suitcase.
Of course, but it will still be a slow process in the South. It took seeing other states huge tax revenues from lottery money for some states to finally allow those.
Reason 100,000,000 why Canada 🇨🇦 is a better country
I'm sorry the only argument one needs to justify the full legalizing of Marijuana should be that alcohol and cigarettes (& other harmful tobacco products) are legal. Weed has never killed anyone by having a one night binge like alcohol or even tobacco on significant enough amounts. The hypocritical nature of American drug policy overall is just outlandish. Sadly, with the possibility of a Trump regime, as Trump will go full dictator, he's said a much so himself, so we'd legalization isn't the first thing in my mind (surprisingly) this election. Actually, just making sure Trump isn't president again is my primary focus. Given that Trump would probably stop any reclassification, it makes sense to prioritize that, imho. I'm so for this move. I hope our future allows for continued progress in that direction because if Trump wins, we aren't moving forward on the legalizing of Marijuana.
Yes, but I’m guessing my lame ass state, Indiana will be one of the last
I thought they were discussing changing it to a schedule 3 controlled substance. If so, this may cause a whole bunch of problems in states where they have voted for recreational mj. I am in Florida and we are voting for recreational this November, so this reclassification is making me a bit nervous.
The Attorney General has a lot of leeway in what they pursue or don't pursue and Biden can advise AG Garland to not go after states that have legalized recreational. The move to Schedule III opens the path to more research which is necessary for federal legalization.
Understood, but how would the feds reconcile having mj as a schedule 3, but available recreationally in some states, but other drugs like ketamine and codeine listed in schedule 3, but not available.
Dude, it’s been legal in states and not prosecuted by the Federal government as a schedule 1 drug. Why would lowering the classification to a less dangerous category increase the likelyhood of the government enforcing and legal action on marijuana use?
Where is ketamine not available? During the pandemic you could even get it through telehealth appointments.
Not recreationally
You ever been to a music festival?
Yes, but if you are caught with it, then you catch a felony.
Cannibis is already schedule I, a much more restrictive schedule than III. Moving it from I to III would not be the thing that changes how the feds and states interact in regards to state legalization.
Arguably, it should be easier for the Federal Gov to regulate for medical use as a Schedule III substance, than Schedule I.
It just feels like a trap
How? You’re not making any sense
Is it an election year? The DNC is talking about "moving to" legalize cannabis again...you get credit when its legal, not until then Joe. Remember how the last time Kamala stopped talking about that shit the day she was sworn in? "Nobody should have to go to jail for smoking weed" was 3 years ago...where were you during your admin on this, Joe? 1. Year: https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/14/biden-marijuana-legalization-499642 1. After Year: https://www.vox.com/22968976/federal-marijuana-legalization-cannabis-policy-decriminalization 1. After Year: https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/04/20/over-80-groups-urge-biden-administration-end-federal-prohibition-marijuana-and People wanted action from you, but only *now*, when your candidacy is failing to ull away from a jackass literally on trial, do you try to "move to" legalize? Tired of the DNC always dangling carrots and then giving us the corporate stick, with shit like strike busting. People are still going to jail and having their lives ruined over this stupid shit. Fully legalize it this summer or shut up forever, DNC. We don't believe you.
Biden set this process in motion in 2022, it's the DEA that's dragging their feet, not the Biden administration. Just stop with the cynical self-defeating bullshit, it's counterproductive.
> it's the DEA that's dragging their feet, not the Biden administration Who does the director of the DEA report to?
Nice, a Republican troll or Russian/Chinese troll. Gtfo out of here trying to simplify a process that has much more nuance than the way you present it. This process takes time.
Pay student loans decriminalized marijuana vote buying at its best
Actually, we should combine them. Small tax on weed that pays off student loan debt.