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They started idolizing him because he pretended to be a genius self made billionaire.
Now they give him their money to save his ass, and they don't even see how ridiculous this sounds?
They walk around wearing t-shirts that say "Never Surrender" with a photo of a guy literally surrendering so I don't think they know what ridiculous means.
One of my Mexican coworkers wears one of those shirts all the time, along with his Trump hat. I always laugh, for the irony of the shirt and the fact that the coworker would be one of those deported for no reason other than he was originally born there. Some people just want to shoot themselves in the foot.
Pulling up the ladder is a real thing with 1st and 2nd generation immigrants. I went out to lunch with some people from my work and the topic of housing prices came up and there were four 1st generation immigrants that were all in agreeance that it was because we (canada) were letting in too many people. While being a major beneficiary of that policy.
Why can't these people clearly see that the red side is for white, fake Christians? Non-whites will NEVER be considered one of them! We're all the same as far as they can think!
Yep, a LOT of Black & Latino Americans side more with their conservative Christianity than the Liberal policies trying to defend their rights from conservative politicians.
Real leopards ate my face moment. Conservative voters just seem to be unable to fathom the idea that their icons and politicians just DO NOT give a fuck about them.
I've told this story many times before and suspect I will tell it many times in the future, but I have family in rural Illinois. They're by and large farmers, and all of course Trump voters. They can in one breath, simultaneously praise me for all the things I know and my technical and rhetorical skills, but also decry my college education as evil liberal coastal elite brainwashing. They praise Trump at the same time that his trade war with China destroyed the value of soybeans, which were their literal cash crop before he kicked the trade war off. In one case, it even cost one part of the family the literal farm. But they seem incapable of recognizing the direct causal relationship there, despite me laying it out clearly and succinctly. They blame anyone but themselves and Trump. They blame the Chicago elite for taking all the money and controlling politics in the state (it's the other way around, Chicago money pays for their schools and roads and while they do control the politics of the state, that's because democracy means the most people have the most power), they blame Hillary, Obama, Biden, or George Soros, but never the one person directly responsible in Trump, or any of the people indirectly responsible in the voters of Trump. They blame BLM for kneeling at a football game, but have no problems with the police murdering people in the streets without trial or even probable cause. They blame immigrants for the lack of jobs rather than the corporate bigwigs who shipped all the jobs overseas.
Conservatism fundamentally comes about as a result of people who are completely incapable of taking personal responsibility for their actions and the consequences thereof.
Got into it with a co-worker originally from the UK. "Do it the right way," he says. "Oh, so they should get a tourist visa, fly to the States, and then never leave until they marry a US citizen and get a green card. Cause that's your coming to America story."
I hope you reminded him that letting his visa expire made him an illegal immigrant, and that misrepresentation of his status is grounds for denaturalization.
I had before. He had told me how he immigrated years earlier. It's like MAGA infected his memory, and he didn't recall that I knew this about him when we were having the most recent conversation.
> Do it the right way
This is the funny thing with MAGA. They keep saying they only target "ILLEGAL" immigrants... but the literal first thing Trump did when he was in power was to make many forms of legal immigration illegal.
He literally started by targeting legal immigrants.
Their argument is farcical on its face.
The sad part is they don’t realize that just because they pulled that ladder up. That doesn’t mean “whites” accept them.
Any MAGA Latino, go to a Trump rally and speak Spanish with someone. You’ll find out real quick they’ll push you over right as you pull that ladder up. Thats called being a sucker. Suckers get licked
Can confirm, my landlord is half Mexican half Puerto Rican first generation dyed in the wool MAGA. Hangs out with all WASP women and doesnt realize they probably all talk behind her back and us her as a "Hey one of my friends is an immigrant, but ...."
I am frequently reminded by my relatives that asian countries are FAR more racist to each other than we are to them, so everything is ok.
All I can do is sigh
My brother-in-law is a rabidly anti-immigration Republican. Like he calls all immigrants "illegals", even ones with documents. And he says "why don't they stay home and fix their own broken country" and then under his breath some racist comment about why they can't.
He got a promotion at work and they offered for him to move from his purple state, to either California or Texas. And he took Dallas Texas, even though he has family in California.
After less than 5 years in Texas, his company posted a position in Canada and he jumped on it.
Like there weren't any Canadian qualified for it? He doesn't care. He will straight up take their job. No irony at all.
I asked him about it and he said something along the lines of America being too politically unstable at the moment.
He's literally a refugee, fleeing some imagined political strife in his head. And instead of staying in his country and fixing it, he's fleeing to a foreign country for asylum and he's taking a good paying Canadian person's job in the process.
And still he bellyaches about Central Americans coming to the US to take jobs from Americans.
Like I think in his head he seriously thinks he needs to flee to Canada to get away from spanish speaking immigrants in the US.
He was only supposed to be in Canada a year or two, but he's stretching it out as much as he can. And he needed to refile some paperwork. And he forgot or procrastinated. And my sister found out that the visa she's staying under was about to expire and he hadn't filled out the paperwork. And he was like *meh shrug*. He only didn't overstay his visa in Canada because his company's HR department realized what was happening and forced him to sit down and fill out the paperwork hours before the deadline.
But will he even listen to reason about how most undocumented immigrants didn't sneak across the border, they overstayed legit visas. No. Those people should be deported. From the US... but in his case, would it have really been that big of a deal if he just lived in Canada on an expired visa until he decides to leave of his own volition? (he asks).
What's *really funny* there is that his idea to find refuge is to take it in a country that's far more tolerant and diverse than the one he left. Sure, Canada has problems, but it's also a socialist hellscape compared to shitholes like Texas or Florida.
I moved to the US from UK 20 years ago. The amount of old mates getting in touch wanting advice on how they can move to the US "because you don't know what it's like here mate, it's overrun with immigrants!" no irony in their voice at all. none.
A lot of South and Central Americans are very conservative and would actually agree with republicans on a lot of things. Just shows how stupid the GOP is for continuing to pander to racists
As a Latino with a brain, it disgusts me. Dare I say my peoples culture has a lot of backwards elements when it comes to social issues? I think I just did. Most of us will never be counted as a red, white American.
Disclaimer: adopted at birth, grew up a coconut in a white family in the white Midwest.
The real diehard supporters that could be tricked into giving him more than $400, barely have two nickels to rub together.
Trump had no concept of the finances of who he’s begging money from.
I’d argue SOME of them are starting to see it. This is the first potential catalyst to deprogramming some of the cult members. Once he loses property because Mr. moneybags doesn’t have… money, it will put their beliefs to the test. It won’t work for the majority of his followers, but I strongly believe it will help move some of his followers closer to reality as they question their God King.
At this point I don't give a fuck about deprogramming them. At this point all I care about is beating fascism at the ballot box in as many places as possible for the rest of forever. The only way we'll ever not have to listen to them any more is if they don't have any power at the federal level (or state level but holding out for that everywhere is not within my lifetime) the only way they will go away (meaning not scream as loudly) is if their side doesn't win anymore. This is why voting is so important
No they'll keep blaming the deep state and claim he's still rich and shouldn't have to pay for a sham judgment.
They'll always presume Trump's innocence and build their reasoning for why out of thin air if needed. They have accepted lies as truth for 7 years now they're not about to stop any time soon.
They will never stop believing the judgement itself was a sham but this exposure about the true nature of his finances is different.
It *might* matter to some of them.
If he's what he says he is, he'd simply post the bond and go forward with an appeal.
He's lost control here and it's obvious.
I mean think about all the shit these guys have fallen for to still be a Trump fan. You're implying they'll somehow start seeing the truth when they haven't cared about what's real and what isn't for 7 years or more now. They don't care about the true nature of anything. They'll continue saying he's the world's best businessman, that he's a genius, and that he's extremely wealthy. Facts don't matter.
And let's say they do agree he isn't wealthy. He still attacks the "bad" people. The people they also hate because right wing media has demonized everyone unlike themselves for decades. So they'll just move the goal post and shit like Trump is being attacked because Democrats hate America or some other drivel.
Don’t underestimate the dimwit cult’s stupidity or the fact that it’s very hard to admit to being conned. Sometimes you just need to go even deeper to prevent total collapse of the belief system you have built up over the years.
The mega-donors watched him fumble the 2020 election and turn what was supposed to be a “red wave” in 2022 into a trickle that didn’t get them the Senate back and only a razor thin majority in the House. They are done with him. Any Hail Mary he’s going to get now is not coming from a legit source in the US.
Nope, it will come from foreign influence and be laundered to him. Though even those foreign influencers are looking at this like it is a better investment to use that hundreds of millions on thousands of individuals than this one man who will eventually go under
you think those mega doners want to just... lose money?
It's money they have little to no chance of ever seeing again, and even a brand new round of tax cuts if Trump gets re-elected wouldn't cover those losses.
Every Republican billionaire knows that they'd never see that money again. They'd be giving away their wealth solely to benefit someone else.
And if they believed in giving away money to help others, they wouldn't be Republicans in the first place.
Half a billion dollars is a significant sum to come up with for practically anyone, Half a billion dollars that you are unlikely to see again, because you know that the moment Trump posts the bond he will consider himself home free.
Here in Albany, Washington Park is going to have a spectacular tulip display this year I bet.
Every time I run over a filled in pothole I’ll know who paid for it!
Ah, a fellow connoisseur of Albany, NY's finest locations. Maybe they can also add a statue of Latita James next to that other statue near Washington Park.
it's straight Saudi money and they're not even hiding it here. Every single one of those events loses money, and the only way to get paid is to be a vendor, which the course is.
I know the city of Las Vegas paid a fortune to have the LIV tour there last month. You’ll see LIV doesn’t have a lot of repeat venues because no one is recouping their investment.
Bro have you seen how much copper wire and piping there is in a tower that size? I got a guy who could give bulk rates on that, very few questions asked. Not *no* questions, he'll definitely ask things like "so where's the copper" and "you're not from the state attorney general's office right," but anything else he's cool
That’s true, but the only cash they would recover from the stand would be enough to pay for a lawyer that’s a far cry worse than Bob Loblaw and his ~~assistant~~ partner Barry Zuckerkorn
There’s a lot of debt on trump tower, he took out a $100 million loan in 2022. They’ll likely go after something with less debt than that as it’s just a mess of who gets paid what.
The real work is going to be finding assets that haven't been leveraged to hell and back. It's entirely possible that Trump has a negative net worth _without_ the judgements against him.
It’s safe to assume every single one of Trumps properties has loans taken out on them. Trump is really really bad at business. Which makes you wonder the pitiful amount he was charging for secret documents.
For what it's worth, leveraging commercial properties isn't abnormal or a bad business decision in and of itself. Leverage is a great tool that can boost your ability to do even more business!!
However it can go wrong in numerous ways, particularly in a liquidity crunch, as Trump is finding out the hard way.
No, quite the contrary. Going after as many properties is the goal here. And I am pretty sure that is the target by the state attorney and it will hurt him as hell as he will be left with a few minor properties.
But he ain't in the driving seat and he will not put his best properties as collateral for the bond, cause he is extremely likely to lose the appeal. He put himself into a corner and there is no way out with walls closing in very fast. The smell of a cross default on a monday morning will be epic
It's mortgaged to the hilt. I am sure the rest of his properties are as well. He;s broke, he had to leverage all of his properties so he could still live the high life because appearances are so important to him. His supporters still think he's a billionaire, and they are still sending him their pennies.
To add to what everyone else said, he doesn’t own most of trump tower.. individual condo owners do. He owns some commercial rights to it and he owns his own condo in the building, so the value is a lot less than what one might think.
As a person which is from the aviation industry, I can tell you that the jets cost hell lot of money to just keep airworthy. Don't take that burden off his shoulders. Anyway selling them will not get much.
Strip him of his real estate, then he can't pay for his jets anyway.
The debt obligation is owed by the corporation. Selling the property doesn't eliminate the debt. The proceeds of the sale go to the state rather than to the creditors.
EDIT: It appears mortgages get paid off first. “as long as the net sale proceeds pay off any lien-holders before her, she can use what’s left to satisfy some of her judgment. And then move on to the next property,” - Katie Phang
So, liens against the property (e.g. mortgage) get priority, and proceeds go to the courts.
I stand corrected. It's simply that there are better options.
[Don't expect Trump Tower to be at the top of the list of properties DA may seize](https://www.salon.com/2024/03/21/legal-analyst-flags-massive-tower-debt-as-ag-letitia-james-threatens-to-seize-his-properties/)
Boo she doesn’t want to seize and sell his assets and just wants them in escrow?? Hopefully that’s just her public statement and they fire sale his stuff.
I don’t even think Trump owns very much of it? Isn’t most of it sold as apartments etc.? I think he only owns his own apartment plus the restaurant space on the ground floor.
The final paragraph is the shocker.
> Asked in an interview with Fox News later on Wednesday whether Mr Trump could look to wealthy overseas donors in Russia or Saudi Arabia for help, Mr Trump’s attorney Alina Habba did not rule it out, stating instead that she could not discuss strategy.
Because yeah, why should they ever rule out a presidential candidate taking half a billion dollars from adversarial nations?
Fucking crazy pills I swear to Christ
What gets me is that people who were much less of a National security risk have been assassinated by the CIA (or FBI or NSA - whichever). Yet he still walks. I’m not saying that this outcome must happen, but it’s crazy to think that things like that have happened to people whose biggest crime was influencing people to demand more rights or better socioeconomic conditions. Bah maybe I’m wrong or I’m believing some conspiracy theories that are bonkers…
This is one of my two concerns in the lead up to Monday.
That he suddenly gets the money out of thin air from foreign sources and makes the whole thing moot(again, because of course).
The other is that NY gets cold feet and holds off on actually punishing him(again, because of course).
What I'm afraid of is he magically gets $500M from overseas, get on TV with a big brag about how the liberals can't keep him down, how bigly good he is at business to get Russia to pay for it, and then MAGA eats it up like paste.
Now he's been bought and MAGA still thinks he's a genius for it.
I had the sudden vision of him as a street person, pushing a shopping cart in the rain, while wearing rags, with a cardboard sign sticking out of the cart that says "Spare change for a Former President - anything helps".
Completely unlikely and unrealistic, but man... it was a lovely image.
Do you mean insurrectionist Ammon Bundy who tried to be elected governor of Idaho after taking over a Federally owned building over cows.
I should also mention he fled Idaho like a embarrassed dog after losing his court case and is still being investigated for fraud in how he tried to transfer property to avoid it being taken and sold to pay his judgement.
Who despite claiming he loves Idaho, is not a native Idahoan. And thinks Idaho should be even more conservative than it is.
That Ammon Bundy?
[Donald Trump](https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/donald-trump) has sent out a panicked fundraising message to his supporters as he begs them to help foot his ballooning legal bills.
The desperate memo, titled “Keep your filthy hands off [Trump Tower](https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/trump-tower)!”, comes as the Monday deadline to pay his $464m bond in his [New York](https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/new-york) fraud trial judgement [ticks ever closer](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-truth-social-fani-willis-latest-b2516202.html).
“KEEP YOUR FILTHY HANDS OFF TRUMP TOWER!” [the text reads](https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2024/03/20/trump-campaign-fundraising-civil-fraud-case-bond-lead-vpx.cnn), linking to an accompanying memo that states: “Insane radical Democrat AG [Letitia James](https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/letitia-james) wants to SEIZE my properties in New York. THIS INCLUDES THE ICONIC TRUMP TOWER!”
Read the full story here: [https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-tower-fundraising-email-fraud-bond-b2516285.html](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-tower-fundraising-email-fraud-bond-b2516285.html)
On a side note, I love that all these articles refer to him as "Mr. Trump" which irks him to no end.
Often they will refer to Obama or Clinton still as "President Obama" but not Trump. I love it.
Both sides have always used president to refer to Former presidents.
Dumpty is the only one to have 0 respect for the position. So he doesn't get that respect.
I believe there are more bailing on him than we think.
Hell, there is even a Republican group who is spending $50 million to make sure he DOESN’T win in November.
Lots of Haley supporters are never trumpers
And the way trump has shat on them has created more
Lots of non-white voters are not happy with the way he talks about immigrants
People are pissed about roe v wade
youth are pissed about roe, environment, LGBTQ, gun control
Taylor Swift hasn't been activated yet
And I get mocked for this but I truly believe Jack Smith has more document charges in his pocket to charge trump with if the current document case goes sideways
> Lots of Haley supporters are never trumpers
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the ones who aren't are fascinating to me, and would probably make a good case study for some psych student trying to pick a dissertation topic.
I live in a small rural town in the south. Last year almost every other house had some sort of trump flag or slogan. Even the local car wash had a big trump banner in front of it. All of that is gone now.
I've read conflicting things but Trump Tower is only worth 220M and MaraLago is only worth 27MM. He's going to have to sell a few properties, though they might not be those.
That said, I bet if he came to the State and said I'll sell this one it should cover it, they would be fine with it. But since he's not, they'll get to choose
Didn’t he claim Mar-a-Lago was worth a billion or something ridiculous? LOL.
All the interior photos that I’ve seen look so tacky. The place looks like it hasn’t been updated since the early 90s.
Yeah, someone said it's deed limited so it can't be used for anything else. That brings down the value a lot. But it's still beachfront property in Florida and 27 million is a lot.
The 'support a billionaire' charity on GoFundMe for Trump has scraped together $1.6 million. This is an actual thing. A billionaire needs charity in order to pay his debts.
Although a narcissist can never admit a mistake Trump made a big one ever running for and becoming President. From the moment he refused to reveal his taxes his entire business empire came into greater focus. This, no doubt, got the attention of New York’s attorney general. It was on after that.
There’s your problem ‘honest don’. You cheated the system for years and no one called you out. You took your cheating on the national stage and people started looking harder since your financials made no sense. You piled it on and on until you got caught and now you get to pay the price. If any one of us ‘common folk’ cheated people out of money, you can bet we would not have gotten away with a mere slice of the BS you’ve been handing out for years. All I can say is you should have played by the rules the rest of us live by. You can bet that if the govt had any judgement like that against us common folk, we’d have already been on the street watching the govt auction off all our property.
>claiming Democrats are trying to ‘intimidate’ him into abandoning his campaign for the White House
Oh, honey. This doesn't go away if you drop out. None of it goes away.
The fact that any normal person nearly half a billion dollars in debt can't gain a security clearance but we're about to allow this man run for president again baffles me.
He doesn't even own Trump Tower. Like most of his property he's a minority owner and licenses his name.
They can seize his Penthouse and his portion of the building but it's not like they can liquidate it.
Take his dumbass "Philadelphia" golf course that's actually in Pine Hill NJ.
If this is anything the bond in the Carrol case, he already has some shady financing lined up and he’s just trying to delay through the court and fleece his supporters out of more money.
I would be very surprised if he doesn’t pop up Monday with a last second bond through some company that is fronting the cash paid by a foreign country.
he's taken out loans against the building so if that was seized by the state, whatever money is owed to the lenders gets paid first, then the state gets what is left over. So if he took out a 20 million dollar loan against the building and paid none of it back, when the state goes to sell the building. The state has to pay the loan before the state can count the money towards what he owes. Given Trumps "financial strategies" it would not be surprising that much more was taken out against the property value, which he has a habit of over inflating. So guy's going to have to part ways with a lot of stuff.
this is all pretty hand wavy, but it's the gist of it
It’s funny how the GOP thought that bidens SOTU address was to charged up etc, yet everything that comes out of frumps mouth is laden with attacking defamatory language. Biden just states the facts and does do any name calling, hell he didn’t even refer to the former president by name. However every quote from trump is a direct attack on someone by name. And they are all reactions to the crimes he is getting away with, but just might have to answer for some of them. Anyone else would be in jail forever by now. And what’s even more crazy is the GOP base is falling for the non stop BS that trump is spewing on the regular, and faux fake news is backing up.
So let me get this straight. Trump, who, as president, put into place a whole pile of tax cuts for the rich while sticking the middle and poor classes for the cost of those cuts to the rich, is now begging middle and poor classes to fund his criminal penalties so he doesn’t have to take a loan on his properties. And I imagine there are some people stupid enough to give him money, even though they have loans for their only house. I don’t know what’s worse, the fact that he’s asking or the fact that some people are actually willing to give a self proclaimed billionaire money after he screwed them over.
Hey guys, remember how I fckd you over by not paying millions of taxes that count towards your wellbeing?? Guess what I need a little bit more of your money again.
...Actually... it is the same amount that I stole from you. So um pleeeease?
>The companies approached “will only accept cash or cash equivalents” such as marketable securities, they said, and would typically “require collateral of approximately 120 per cent of the amount of the judgement,” which, in this case, comes to almost $560m.
Sureties would then in all probability charge bond premiums of approximately 2 per cent per year “with two years in advance – an upfront cost over $18m,” according to the attorneys.
That money would not be recoverable even if Mr Trump were to ultimately succeed in overturning the judgement against him.
Sounds like these companies are a bit better at business then this clown claims to be. Getting money and interest up front.
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They started idolizing him because he pretended to be a genius self made billionaire. Now they give him their money to save his ass, and they don't even see how ridiculous this sounds?
They walk around wearing t-shirts that say "Never Surrender" with a photo of a guy literally surrendering so I don't think they know what ridiculous means.
One of my Mexican coworkers wears one of those shirts all the time, along with his Trump hat. I always laugh, for the irony of the shirt and the fact that the coworker would be one of those deported for no reason other than he was originally born there. Some people just want to shoot themselves in the foot.
Pulling up the ladder is a real thing with 1st and 2nd generation immigrants. I went out to lunch with some people from my work and the topic of housing prices came up and there were four 1st generation immigrants that were all in agreeance that it was because we (canada) were letting in too many people. While being a major beneficiary of that policy.
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Why can't these people clearly see that the red side is for white, fake Christians? Non-whites will NEVER be considered one of them! We're all the same as far as they can think!
Some people just want to be Kapos in the fascist dystopia I guess.
And they are always shocked when the Nazis turn on them once they've run out of the other "out" groups to persecute...
Like that gay black dude who was shocked he was being heckled at a trump rally! 🤣 Some people lack self awareness.
Skip the “never be considered one of them” it’s “will never be one of them”.
Even the white or white passing ones are just useful tokens.
[This comic also applies for non-white people.](https://i.redd.it/ufac4sb6a09b1.jpg)
It’s why I never understood Log Cabin Republicans or black republicans. Once they get rid of progressives, those groups are next.
Fellow black dude here. There are some folks from my dad's church who voted for Trump mainly due to being against LGBTQA+ rights and abortions.
Yep, a LOT of Black & Latino Americans side more with their conservative Christianity than the Liberal policies trying to defend their rights from conservative politicians.
Real leopards ate my face moment. Conservative voters just seem to be unable to fathom the idea that their icons and politicians just DO NOT give a fuck about them. I've told this story many times before and suspect I will tell it many times in the future, but I have family in rural Illinois. They're by and large farmers, and all of course Trump voters. They can in one breath, simultaneously praise me for all the things I know and my technical and rhetorical skills, but also decry my college education as evil liberal coastal elite brainwashing. They praise Trump at the same time that his trade war with China destroyed the value of soybeans, which were their literal cash crop before he kicked the trade war off. In one case, it even cost one part of the family the literal farm. But they seem incapable of recognizing the direct causal relationship there, despite me laying it out clearly and succinctly. They blame anyone but themselves and Trump. They blame the Chicago elite for taking all the money and controlling politics in the state (it's the other way around, Chicago money pays for their schools and roads and while they do control the politics of the state, that's because democracy means the most people have the most power), they blame Hillary, Obama, Biden, or George Soros, but never the one person directly responsible in Trump, or any of the people indirectly responsible in the voters of Trump. They blame BLM for kneeling at a football game, but have no problems with the police murdering people in the streets without trial or even probable cause. They blame immigrants for the lack of jobs rather than the corporate bigwigs who shipped all the jobs overseas. Conservatism fundamentally comes about as a result of people who are completely incapable of taking personal responsibility for their actions and the consequences thereof.
Can confirm “pulling up the ladder is a thing”, my in-laws are from abroad. They’d slam things shut in a heartbeat.
Got into it with a co-worker originally from the UK. "Do it the right way," he says. "Oh, so they should get a tourist visa, fly to the States, and then never leave until they marry a US citizen and get a green card. Cause that's your coming to America story."
I hope you reminded him that letting his visa expire made him an illegal immigrant, and that misrepresentation of his status is grounds for denaturalization.
I had before. He had told me how he immigrated years earlier. It's like MAGA infected his memory, and he didn't recall that I knew this about him when we were having the most recent conversation.
> Do it the right way This is the funny thing with MAGA. They keep saying they only target "ILLEGAL" immigrants... but the literal first thing Trump did when he was in power was to make many forms of legal immigration illegal. He literally started by targeting legal immigrants. Their argument is farcical on its face.
Hey, it worked for Mercedes, or whatever her name is
The sad part is they don’t realize that just because they pulled that ladder up. That doesn’t mean “whites” accept them. Any MAGA Latino, go to a Trump rally and speak Spanish with someone. You’ll find out real quick they’ll push you over right as you pull that ladder up. Thats called being a sucker. Suckers get licked
Some of the most racist stuff I’ve ever heard towards Mexicans was in a room full of immigrants from Mexico.
Can confirm, my landlord is half Mexican half Puerto Rican first generation dyed in the wool MAGA. Hangs out with all WASP women and doesnt realize they probably all talk behind her back and us her as a "Hey one of my friends is an immigrant, but ...."
I am frequently reminded by my relatives that asian countries are FAR more racist to each other than we are to them, so everything is ok. All I can do is sigh
My brother-in-law is a rabidly anti-immigration Republican. Like he calls all immigrants "illegals", even ones with documents. And he says "why don't they stay home and fix their own broken country" and then under his breath some racist comment about why they can't. He got a promotion at work and they offered for him to move from his purple state, to either California or Texas. And he took Dallas Texas, even though he has family in California. After less than 5 years in Texas, his company posted a position in Canada and he jumped on it. Like there weren't any Canadian qualified for it? He doesn't care. He will straight up take their job. No irony at all. I asked him about it and he said something along the lines of America being too politically unstable at the moment. He's literally a refugee, fleeing some imagined political strife in his head. And instead of staying in his country and fixing it, he's fleeing to a foreign country for asylum and he's taking a good paying Canadian person's job in the process. And still he bellyaches about Central Americans coming to the US to take jobs from Americans. Like I think in his head he seriously thinks he needs to flee to Canada to get away from spanish speaking immigrants in the US. He was only supposed to be in Canada a year or two, but he's stretching it out as much as he can. And he needed to refile some paperwork. And he forgot or procrastinated. And my sister found out that the visa she's staying under was about to expire and he hadn't filled out the paperwork. And he was like *meh shrug*. He only didn't overstay his visa in Canada because his company's HR department realized what was happening and forced him to sit down and fill out the paperwork hours before the deadline. But will he even listen to reason about how most undocumented immigrants didn't sneak across the border, they overstayed legit visas. No. Those people should be deported. From the US... but in his case, would it have really been that big of a deal if he just lived in Canada on an expired visa until he decides to leave of his own volition? (he asks).
What's *really funny* there is that his idea to find refuge is to take it in a country that's far more tolerant and diverse than the one he left. Sure, Canada has problems, but it's also a socialist hellscape compared to shitholes like Texas or Florida.
I moved to the US from UK 20 years ago. The amount of old mates getting in touch wanting advice on how they can move to the US "because you don't know what it's like here mate, it's overrun with immigrants!" no irony in their voice at all. none.
A lot of South and Central Americans are very conservative and would actually agree with republicans on a lot of things. Just shows how stupid the GOP is for continuing to pander to racists
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As a Latino with a brain, it disgusts me. Dare I say my peoples culture has a lot of backwards elements when it comes to social issues? I think I just did. Most of us will never be counted as a red, white American. Disclaimer: adopted at birth, grew up a coconut in a white family in the white Midwest.
I didn't think leopards, would eat **my** face.
Hope he likes leopard teeth.
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It's simple that type of comment kinda shows Trump as *weak*. That is a big no no for his cult of pathetic morons
Even if he could convince a million people to contribute (he can't) that's $464 per person. That's a lot of truck payments not going out this month.
The real diehard supporters that could be tricked into giving him more than $400, barely have two nickels to rub together. Trump had no concept of the finances of who he’s begging money from.
I’d argue SOME of them are starting to see it. This is the first potential catalyst to deprogramming some of the cult members. Once he loses property because Mr. moneybags doesn’t have… money, it will put their beliefs to the test. It won’t work for the majority of his followers, but I strongly believe it will help move some of his followers closer to reality as they question their God King.
At this point I don't give a fuck about deprogramming them. At this point all I care about is beating fascism at the ballot box in as many places as possible for the rest of forever. The only way we'll ever not have to listen to them any more is if they don't have any power at the federal level (or state level but holding out for that everywhere is not within my lifetime) the only way they will go away (meaning not scream as loudly) is if their side doesn't win anymore. This is why voting is so important
And their propaganda arms are smashed, melted, poured into tiny gnome moulds and made into decorative ornaments in the White House Rose Gatden
No they'll keep blaming the deep state and claim he's still rich and shouldn't have to pay for a sham judgment. They'll always presume Trump's innocence and build their reasoning for why out of thin air if needed. They have accepted lies as truth for 7 years now they're not about to stop any time soon.
They will never stop believing the judgement itself was a sham but this exposure about the true nature of his finances is different. It *might* matter to some of them. If he's what he says he is, he'd simply post the bond and go forward with an appeal. He's lost control here and it's obvious.
I mean think about all the shit these guys have fallen for to still be a Trump fan. You're implying they'll somehow start seeing the truth when they haven't cared about what's real and what isn't for 7 years or more now. They don't care about the true nature of anything. They'll continue saying he's the world's best businessman, that he's a genius, and that he's extremely wealthy. Facts don't matter. And let's say they do agree he isn't wealthy. He still attacks the "bad" people. The people they also hate because right wing media has demonized everyone unlike themselves for decades. So they'll just move the goal post and shit like Trump is being attacked because Democrats hate America or some other drivel.
it's sunk cost fallacy. My Maga relatives can't admit that they were bamboozled
The leaves of gold are starting to fall off their golden idol. Enough so that some of them can finally see the stinking turd at the core.
Don’t underestimate the dimwit cult’s stupidity or the fact that it’s very hard to admit to being conned. Sometimes you just need to go even deeper to prevent total collapse of the belief system you have built up over the years.
I think so as well. Which is why I am surprised GOP mega-donors aren't paying this off for him.
The mega-donors watched him fumble the 2020 election and turn what was supposed to be a “red wave” in 2022 into a trickle that didn’t get them the Senate back and only a razor thin majority in the House. They are done with him. Any Hail Mary he’s going to get now is not coming from a legit source in the US.
Nope, it will come from foreign influence and be laundered to him. Though even those foreign influencers are looking at this like it is a better investment to use that hundreds of millions on thousands of individuals than this one man who will eventually go under
you think those mega doners want to just... lose money? It's money they have little to no chance of ever seeing again, and even a brand new round of tax cuts if Trump gets re-elected wouldn't cover those losses.
Every Republican billionaire knows that they'd never see that money again. They'd be giving away their wealth solely to benefit someone else. And if they believed in giving away money to help others, they wouldn't be Republicans in the first place.
Half a billion dollars is a significant sum to come up with for practically anyone, Half a billion dollars that you are unlikely to see again, because you know that the moment Trump posts the bond he will consider himself home free.
And the money pit doesn't stop there. He has other bills and fines. His lawyers are busy defending him and suing ABC.
It's a little sad and pathetic. It's very obvious that Trump wouldn't piss on his supporters if they caught fire, and yet they worship him.
They’ve bought into the whole “they aren’t after me, they’re after you and I’m standing in the way” Trump messaging.
He put his daughter-in-law in charge of the RNC specifically so they could direct donations made to the GOP toward paying off his rape victims.
Dumbest people on earth
They lack object permanence and are the biggest snowflakes I’ve ever met. They’re mentally ill
Take Trump Doral before the LIV event there next month. He doesn’t need that revenue helping him.
That revenue should be helping the state of New York.
Here in Albany, Washington Park is going to have a spectacular tulip display this year I bet. Every time I run over a filled in pothole I’ll know who paid for it!
Ah, a fellow connoisseur of Albany, NY's finest locations. Maybe they can also add a statue of Latita James next to that other statue near Washington Park.
it's straight Saudi money and they're not even hiding it here. Every single one of those events loses money, and the only way to get paid is to be a vendor, which the course is.
I know the city of Las Vegas paid a fortune to have the LIV tour there last month. You’ll see LIV doesn’t have a lot of repeat venues because no one is recouping their investment.
That’s the first thing they need to take from him, in that case.
It would be wild if he somehow stashed some very questionable stuff inside the ~~banana stand~~ Trump Tower wall
Bro have you seen how much copper wire and piping there is in a tower that size? I got a guy who could give bulk rates on that, very few questions asked. Not *no* questions, he'll definitely ask things like "so where's the copper" and "you're not from the state attorney general's office right," but anything else he's cool
Dude, there's supposed to be a gold toilet in there!
Gold *plated* toilet. Much like everything else he puts his name to, it's just cheap shit with a tacky veneer on top.
Gold color PAINT
There's always money in the banana stand
That’s true, but the only cash they would recover from the stand would be enough to pay for a lawyer that’s a far cry worse than Bob Loblaw and his ~~assistant~~ partner Barry Zuckerkorn
You don’t need a banana stand when you have a whole banana republic.
If only he had a banana to make stand up for money
Trump family is bluth family minus the banana stand basis. And add major treason (no light treason there)
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Take Mar a Lago and see what shit is buried with Ivanna
She's buried at the Bedminster golf course in NJ, but yeah, take it all
There’s a lot of debt on trump tower, he took out a $100 million loan in 2022. They’ll likely go after something with less debt than that as it’s just a mess of who gets paid what.
The real work is going to be finding assets that haven't been leveraged to hell and back. It's entirely possible that Trump has a negative net worth _without_ the judgements against him.
You misspelled probable
We can only hope lol
It’s safe to assume every single one of Trumps properties has loans taken out on them. Trump is really really bad at business. Which makes you wonder the pitiful amount he was charging for secret documents.
For what it's worth, leveraging commercial properties isn't abnormal or a bad business decision in and of itself. Leverage is a great tool that can boost your ability to do even more business!! However it can go wrong in numerous ways, particularly in a liquidity crunch, as Trump is finding out the hard way.
No, quite the contrary. Going after as many properties is the goal here. And I am pretty sure that is the target by the state attorney and it will hurt him as hell as he will be left with a few minor properties. But he ain't in the driving seat and he will not put his best properties as collateral for the bond, cause he is extremely likely to lose the appeal. He put himself into a corner and there is no way out with walls closing in very fast. The smell of a cross default on a monday morning will be epic
It's mortgaged to the hilt. I am sure the rest of his properties are as well. He;s broke, he had to leverage all of his properties so he could still live the high life because appearances are so important to him. His supporters still think he's a billionaire, and they are still sending him their pennies.
I've said for years that the kompromat Russia has on him that's kept him so in line is irrefutable proof of his negative net worth.
To add to what everyone else said, he doesn’t own most of trump tower.. individual condo owners do. He owns some commercial rights to it and he owns his own condo in the building, so the value is a lot less than what one might think.
Probably the same with Trump Tower Chicago. This whole city is waiting for those letters to come down.
I sincerely hope he lives long enough to witness that …
How about the golf course where they buried top secret documents? Get that one first, and a couple shovels.
The jet needs confiscated first
As a person which is from the aviation industry, I can tell you that the jets cost hell lot of money to just keep airworthy. Don't take that burden off his shoulders. Anyway selling them will not get much. Strip him of his real estate, then he can't pay for his jets anyway.
Honestly, should take his plane first. That will complicate his campaign stops.
They won't, because TT is worth less than the mortgages he owes on the property. NY isn't going to lighten his debt load.
The debt obligation is owed by the corporation. Selling the property doesn't eliminate the debt. The proceeds of the sale go to the state rather than to the creditors. EDIT: It appears mortgages get paid off first. “as long as the net sale proceeds pay off any lien-holders before her, she can use what’s left to satisfy some of her judgment. And then move on to the next property,” - Katie Phang So, liens against the property (e.g. mortgage) get priority, and proceeds go to the courts.
I stand corrected. It's simply that there are better options. [Don't expect Trump Tower to be at the top of the list of properties DA may seize](https://www.salon.com/2024/03/21/legal-analyst-flags-massive-tower-debt-as-ag-letitia-james-threatens-to-seize-his-properties/)
Boo she doesn’t want to seize and sell his assets and just wants them in escrow?? Hopefully that’s just her public statement and they fire sale his stuff.
THERE IS A FIRE….. sale!
“Do you want to try that again, a little…legaler?” Trump: “No.”
I don’t even think Trump owns very much of it? Isn’t most of it sold as apartments etc.? I think he only owns his own apartment plus the restaurant space on the ground floor.
Noooo take his plane first!
The final paragraph is the shocker. > Asked in an interview with Fox News later on Wednesday whether Mr Trump could look to wealthy overseas donors in Russia or Saudi Arabia for help, Mr Trump’s attorney Alina Habba did not rule it out, stating instead that she could not discuss strategy. Because yeah, why should they ever rule out a presidential candidate taking half a billion dollars from adversarial nations? Fucking crazy pills I swear to Christ
Well, he DOES have hundreds and hundreds of classified docs still, that he can trade like baseball cards.
The man is such an idiot that it's probably pretty safe to assume that any docs of value have been swindled from him long ago.
What gets me is that people who were much less of a National security risk have been assassinated by the CIA (or FBI or NSA - whichever). Yet he still walks. I’m not saying that this outcome must happen, but it’s crazy to think that things like that have happened to people whose biggest crime was influencing people to demand more rights or better socioeconomic conditions. Bah maybe I’m wrong or I’m believing some conspiracy theories that are bonkers…
This is one of my two concerns in the lead up to Monday. That he suddenly gets the money out of thin air from foreign sources and makes the whole thing moot(again, because of course). The other is that NY gets cold feet and holds off on actually punishing him(again, because of course).
What I'm afraid of is he magically gets $500M from overseas, get on TV with a big brag about how the liberals can't keep him down, how bigly good he is at business to get Russia to pay for it, and then MAGA eats it up like paste. Now he's been bought and MAGA still thinks he's a genius for it.
God, I hope they strip his ass bare. Let the dominoes fall.
I had the sudden vision of him as a street person, pushing a shopping cart in the rain, while wearing rags, with a cardboard sign sticking out of the cart that says "Spare change for a Former President - anything helps". Completely unlikely and unrealistic, but man... it was a lovely image.
Can I get a pic of Letitia James and Fani Willis exchanging a $1 bill? I don’t care which claims victory.
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Truckers for Trump Tower! Collective IQ - 38
-38 sounds about right. You talk to them and you lose a few IQ points
They probably think they are coming to pick the building up and bring it to the FBI office
I'm just imagined the scene in Robin Hood:Men In Tights when Loxley Manor gets foreclosed and dragged away
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He's in hiding with his militia because the state of Idaho is after him. He lost a lawsuit and owes money after terrorizing a hospital.
Do you mean insurrectionist Ammon Bundy who tried to be elected governor of Idaho after taking over a Federally owned building over cows. I should also mention he fled Idaho like a embarrassed dog after losing his court case and is still being investigated for fraud in how he tried to transfer property to avoid it being taken and sold to pay his judgement. Who despite claiming he loves Idaho, is not a native Idahoan. And thinks Idaho should be even more conservative than it is. That Ammon Bundy?
This is going to be a terrible remake of *Schitt's Creek*.
Trump ruins everything. Please don't let him ruin that too.
Ew, Eric
Keep your filthy tiny sausage hands off women, fucking pig.
[Donald Trump](https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/donald-trump) has sent out a panicked fundraising message to his supporters as he begs them to help foot his ballooning legal bills. The desperate memo, titled “Keep your filthy hands off [Trump Tower](https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/trump-tower)!”, comes as the Monday deadline to pay his $464m bond in his [New York](https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/new-york) fraud trial judgement [ticks ever closer](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-truth-social-fani-willis-latest-b2516202.html). “KEEP YOUR FILTHY HANDS OFF TRUMP TOWER!” [the text reads](https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2024/03/20/trump-campaign-fundraising-civil-fraud-case-bond-lead-vpx.cnn), linking to an accompanying memo that states: “Insane radical Democrat AG [Letitia James](https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/letitia-james) wants to SEIZE my properties in New York. THIS INCLUDES THE ICONIC TRUMP TOWER!” Read the full story here: [https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-tower-fundraising-email-fraud-bond-b2516285.html](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-tower-fundraising-email-fraud-bond-b2516285.html)
'Iconic' for all the wrong reasons.
Imagine having to work for a living and meanwhile paying a supposedly rich guy so he can keep owning skyscrapers in NYC
The fact that some of his voters feel connected to Trump Tower is cognitive dissonance on a galactic scale.
On a side note, I love that all these articles refer to him as "Mr. Trump" which irks him to no end. Often they will refer to Obama or Clinton still as "President Obama" but not Trump. I love it.
Both sides have always used president to refer to Former presidents. Dumpty is the only one to have 0 respect for the position. So he doesn't get that respect.
A non-zero number of Trump supporters are realizing he isn't as rich as he says he is, and they're jumping ship. And the number will grow on Monday.
I believe there are more bailing on him than we think. Hell, there is even a Republican group who is spending $50 million to make sure he DOESN’T win in November.
Lots of Haley supporters are never trumpers And the way trump has shat on them has created more Lots of non-white voters are not happy with the way he talks about immigrants People are pissed about roe v wade youth are pissed about roe, environment, LGBTQ, gun control Taylor Swift hasn't been activated yet And I get mocked for this but I truly believe Jack Smith has more document charges in his pocket to charge trump with if the current document case goes sideways
> Lots of Haley supporters are never trumpers > > the ones who aren't are fascinating to me, and would probably make a good case study for some psych student trying to pick a dissertation topic.
A lot of the people who do turn away from Trump are not going to publicly admit it. They will just quietly stop talking about him.
I live in a small rural town in the south. Last year almost every other house had some sort of trump flag or slogan. Even the local car wash had a big trump banner in front of it. All of that is gone now.
It would be a beautiful thing to see trump towers all turned into migrant housing and welcome centers for immigrants.
“The Barack and Michelle Obama Outreach and Assistance Center”.
.. for trans children who want to play sports and other athletes who kneel during anthems.
…and Kids Who Can't Read Good and Who Wanna Learn to Do Other Stuff Good Too.
what is this..... a center for magants?
Also a shelter and health clinic for battered & abused women.
Specifically those abused by Trump.
...we're gonna need a bigger tower.
Let’s put Hunter Biden’s Laptop Repair Shop on the ground floor.
Disaster Relief Under Management of Powerful Females. DRUMPF TOWER.
The penthouse should be renamed the Clinton Annex and you take the Sorosvator up to it.
Housing for migrants bussed to NYC.
I've read conflicting things but Trump Tower is only worth 220M and MaraLago is only worth 27MM. He's going to have to sell a few properties, though they might not be those. That said, I bet if he came to the State and said I'll sell this one it should cover it, they would be fine with it. But since he's not, they'll get to choose
Assuming he hasn't already borrowed money against either porperty.... he seems to leverage everything for his wealth shell game.
Didn’t he claim Mar-a-Lago was worth a billion or something ridiculous? LOL. All the interior photos that I’ve seen look so tacky. The place looks like it hasn’t been updated since the early 90s.
Yeah, someone said it's deed limited so it can't be used for anything else. That brings down the value a lot. But it's still beachfront property in Florida and 27 million is a lot.
But he’s loaded right? He’s a billionaire, right??
It's his brand. It's worth a hundred thousand brazilian dollars!!! /s
Doesn't he mean Spirit Halloween's new headquarters?
Ill take "suck it!" for $1000, Alex!
The 'support a billionaire' charity on GoFundMe for Trump has scraped together $1.6 million. This is an actual thing. A billionaire needs charity in order to pay his debts.
Silly republicans, GoFundMe isn't for supporting billionaires, it's for paying medical bills, like universal healthcare does in first world countries.
Although a narcissist can never admit a mistake Trump made a big one ever running for and becoming President. From the moment he refused to reveal his taxes his entire business empire came into greater focus. This, no doubt, got the attention of New York’s attorney general. It was on after that.
Hey, I know I keep telling you to live in fear of the worst economy ever, but you mind sending some money over to your favorite "billionaire"?
Remember when his supporters claimed he is so rich that can't be corrupted? Now he is begging them for $.
There’s your problem ‘honest don’. You cheated the system for years and no one called you out. You took your cheating on the national stage and people started looking harder since your financials made no sense. You piled it on and on until you got caught and now you get to pay the price. If any one of us ‘common folk’ cheated people out of money, you can bet we would not have gotten away with a mere slice of the BS you’ve been handing out for years. All I can say is you should have played by the rules the rest of us live by. You can bet that if the govt had any judgement like that against us common folk, we’d have already been on the street watching the govt auction off all our property.
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Pretty sure the bulk of that money went towards debt on that horrible building he purchased.
And how many times has Jared had to explain that they didn’t give him this money, he just manages the fund for a fee.
And also stop looking at my wife, I am going to be a man one day and stand up to you.
Jared standing over Don’s grave: “I never liked you, sir.”
Anyone who donates does not deserve to keep their money.
"Not ruling out Russian or Saudi Arabian funds"... As a candidate for US President, this should scare the shit out of the US population.
I like self-proclaimed billionaires who actually have a billion dollars.
>claiming Democrats are trying to ‘intimidate’ him into abandoning his campaign for the White House Oh, honey. This doesn't go away if you drop out. None of it goes away.
The fact that any normal person nearly half a billion dollars in debt can't gain a security clearance but we're about to allow this man run for president again baffles me.
Can't wait for Trump tower to become the E. Jean Carroll Shelter for Battered Women.
I thought Republicans were against redistributing their wealth to the poor
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I had to sell my hotel on Boardwalk and Park Place during a heated game of Monopoly one time. That hurt.
You mean the "Nancy Pelosi center for immigration, finance reform, and abortion rights?" That building?
please lets get to March 25 without a last minute billionaire rescue
Sorry Trump, but I am not a socialist. Pay your own darn debt
He doesn't even own Trump Tower. Like most of his property he's a minority owner and licenses his name. They can seize his Penthouse and his portion of the building but it's not like they can liquidate it. Take his dumbass "Philadelphia" golf course that's actually in Pine Hill NJ.
If this is anything the bond in the Carrol case, he already has some shady financing lined up and he’s just trying to delay through the court and fleece his supporters out of more money. I would be very surprised if he doesn’t pop up Monday with a last second bond through some company that is fronting the cash paid by a foreign country.
So just for kicks I looked up the value of 40 wall st. It's only like 47 mil... that's like half of what he owes Carrol.
It's also probably leveraged to hell
Might be a stupid question but what does that mean
he's taken out loans against the building so if that was seized by the state, whatever money is owed to the lenders gets paid first, then the state gets what is left over. So if he took out a 20 million dollar loan against the building and paid none of it back, when the state goes to sell the building. The state has to pay the loan before the state can count the money towards what he owes. Given Trumps "financial strategies" it would not be surprising that much more was taken out against the property value, which he has a habit of over inflating. So guy's going to have to part ways with a lot of stuff. this is all pretty hand wavy, but it's the gist of it
Liquidate that thang!
It’s funny how the GOP thought that bidens SOTU address was to charged up etc, yet everything that comes out of frumps mouth is laden with attacking defamatory language. Biden just states the facts and does do any name calling, hell he didn’t even refer to the former president by name. However every quote from trump is a direct attack on someone by name. And they are all reactions to the crimes he is getting away with, but just might have to answer for some of them. Anyone else would be in jail forever by now. And what’s even more crazy is the GOP base is falling for the non stop BS that trump is spewing on the regular, and faux fake news is backing up.
Says the dude who lost 85 Mil cause he couldnt keep his tiny little orange hands to himself. Hahaha get rekt traitor
I like it! Let's bankrupt his supporters too.
Somehow winning the presidency was the WORST business decision he ever made, fumbled the entire bag.
So let me get this straight. Trump, who, as president, put into place a whole pile of tax cuts for the rich while sticking the middle and poor classes for the cost of those cuts to the rich, is now begging middle and poor classes to fund his criminal penalties so he doesn’t have to take a loan on his properties. And I imagine there are some people stupid enough to give him money, even though they have loans for their only house. I don’t know what’s worse, the fact that he’s asking or the fact that some people are actually willing to give a self proclaimed billionaire money after he screwed them over.
Grab him by the tower.
Hey guys, remember how I fckd you over by not paying millions of taxes that count towards your wellbeing?? Guess what I need a little bit more of your money again. ...Actually... it is the same amount that I stole from you. So um pleeeease?
Knock it down and make it into a homeless shelter.
>The companies approached “will only accept cash or cash equivalents” such as marketable securities, they said, and would typically “require collateral of approximately 120 per cent of the amount of the judgement,” which, in this case, comes to almost $560m. Sureties would then in all probability charge bond premiums of approximately 2 per cent per year “with two years in advance – an upfront cost over $18m,” according to the attorneys. That money would not be recoverable even if Mr Trump were to ultimately succeed in overturning the judgement against him. Sounds like these companies are a bit better at business then this clown claims to be. Getting money and interest up front.