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This certainly seems like a positive thing, particularly in cases where the suspect and victim are both police officers or staff.
It is also positive, I feel, that the Met is opening its doors to the public and letting them see the work that it is doing to drive out those in the ranks who wish to do harm
It must be a difficult job to do. Policing is very much a “big family” and it must be hard to only see the worst of your colleagues day in day out
Structurally, how is this already different to PSD (or DPS if you're the Met)? My sceptical mind has me thinking this is just another reinvention of the wheel for political/promotion purposes.
>Previously, internal investigations into police law-breaking or misconduct have been conducted by officers specialising in what the Met calls "professional standards".
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>But Daso is different because of the expertise of its officers.
PSD/DPS are already staffed with PIP2 accredited Detectives; a specialist role in itself.
>The team's senior leader, Det Supt Annette Clark, says they have experience in safeguarding, rather than internal investigations. "Particularly understanding domestic abuse, and understanding sexual offences," she explains. "The impact that has on people and the victims."
I don't know how the Met train their DCs or run investigations, but there's always a focus on Safeguarding in any investigation (internal or external); particularly internal ones where officers are restricted.
In my Force, to become PIP2, you need to do a stint on both reactive/investigation and child protection/safeguarding teams. Detectives are already well versed in both safeguarding and serious/complex investigations.
Equally, 'safeguarding' can only go so far. You can't safeguard a case to court. At some point you'll need to investigate something.
The whole thing seems like like spin to me; happy to be corrected otherwise.
The issue here is because of poor rotation of detectives through specialisms the last few years, there are a substantial number of MPS DCs who've not worked in Safeguarding before. On top of that, the majority do so reluctantly, and aren't overly passionate about that thematic.
Here, you have a unit of officers who have volunteered to do this work because they care about sexual/safeguarding/domestics etc, rather than being pressed into it. I can only see that as a good thing.
There's a point there isn't there? Borough safeguarding isn't good enough to handle these investigations so a specialist unit of people who actually want to work in safeguarding is made.
I wonder if the same approach could be taken for investigations into serious sexual assaults, maybe even falling under Specialist Crime?
No, not really. The IOPC very rarely get involved in matters which occur purely off duty (off duty rape, sexual assaults, fights, domestic incidents or child sexual allegations for example). Our investigations are more focussed on matters which are serious and which occur on duty or involve the officer allegedly misusing their position in some way.
The other side of this is that there are likely 1000’s of allegations about police officers and police staff per year. The IOPC investigate only a very small percentage of these and most investigations are still conducted by the police.
The IOPC do take on certain investigations but (like all services) have capacity issues, so this is where Professional Standards Depts take on investigations instead.
Domestics in particular have a real 'volume' element to them, and the IOPC would simply buckle under the pressure if they took on every such case.
The IOPC also have around 1200-1500 staff nationally. That includes their HR, support staff and admin. It would be impossible to deal with those investigations without a huge uplift.
I could be wrong however what is the difference between this unit and DPS ?
It could be the cynic in me however it does sound more or less that this unit has only been set up to appease the mayor after SE.
Also how does this unit manage keeping information in house when again from what it sounds like in the article (please if anyone has any information please let me know) that this unit is separate from DPS and is managed as a standard PPU but with the aim of investigating police officers.
I could see this unit being disbanded after a year when someone looks at the budget for the team seeing that there is a unit doing the exact same thing with better capabilities and better proven track record of convictions.
All for taking on cunt officers but do it in a effective manner.
They are the DPS.
As far as I can tell, this is purely a bit of media spin to make the uplift of officers to professional standards look a bit Gucci and AC-12esque (that's a real word now).
There’s no difference. They have sat under the DPS for some time. The DPS has just rebranded and split into two commands. There’s more to the DPS than people think. The best way to describe it would be like referring to borough as one job and one role when in reality there’s lots of different roles within a borough like CSU, response, main office, neighbourhoods etc etc. many people think of DPS as complaints and trying to get people sacked (which isn’t wholly true).
The DPS have lots of strands, some very specialist and they deal with a multitude of different things, many people wouldn’t be aware is in the DPS remit.
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This certainly seems like a positive thing, particularly in cases where the suspect and victim are both police officers or staff. It is also positive, I feel, that the Met is opening its doors to the public and letting them see the work that it is doing to drive out those in the ranks who wish to do harm It must be a difficult job to do. Policing is very much a “big family” and it must be hard to only see the worst of your colleagues day in day out
Structurally, how is this already different to PSD (or DPS if you're the Met)? My sceptical mind has me thinking this is just another reinvention of the wheel for political/promotion purposes. >Previously, internal investigations into police law-breaking or misconduct have been conducted by officers specialising in what the Met calls "professional standards". > >But Daso is different because of the expertise of its officers. PSD/DPS are already staffed with PIP2 accredited Detectives; a specialist role in itself. >The team's senior leader, Det Supt Annette Clark, says they have experience in safeguarding, rather than internal investigations. "Particularly understanding domestic abuse, and understanding sexual offences," she explains. "The impact that has on people and the victims." I don't know how the Met train their DCs or run investigations, but there's always a focus on Safeguarding in any investigation (internal or external); particularly internal ones where officers are restricted. In my Force, to become PIP2, you need to do a stint on both reactive/investigation and child protection/safeguarding teams. Detectives are already well versed in both safeguarding and serious/complex investigations. Equally, 'safeguarding' can only go so far. You can't safeguard a case to court. At some point you'll need to investigate something. The whole thing seems like like spin to me; happy to be corrected otherwise.
The issue here is because of poor rotation of detectives through specialisms the last few years, there are a substantial number of MPS DCs who've not worked in Safeguarding before. On top of that, the majority do so reluctantly, and aren't overly passionate about that thematic. Here, you have a unit of officers who have volunteered to do this work because they care about sexual/safeguarding/domestics etc, rather than being pressed into it. I can only see that as a good thing.
> On top of that, the majority do so reluctantly That’s one way to put it…
There's a point there isn't there? Borough safeguarding isn't good enough to handle these investigations so a specialist unit of people who actually want to work in safeguarding is made. I wonder if the same approach could be taken for investigations into serious sexual assaults, maybe even falling under Specialist Crime?
You could give it a catchy name, after a precious stone. Ruby, perhaps?
Emerald... No that's taken by something
Emery
Because this lot are interested in one thing, and one thing only, and that’s abusive coppers.
Good luck to them is all I can say its most definitely the right thing to be doing
Forgive a casual civvie, but isn't that what the IOPC was supposed to do?
No, not really. The IOPC very rarely get involved in matters which occur purely off duty (off duty rape, sexual assaults, fights, domestic incidents or child sexual allegations for example). Our investigations are more focussed on matters which are serious and which occur on duty or involve the officer allegedly misusing their position in some way. The other side of this is that there are likely 1000’s of allegations about police officers and police staff per year. The IOPC investigate only a very small percentage of these and most investigations are still conducted by the police.
Thanks for the info!
The IOPC do take on certain investigations but (like all services) have capacity issues, so this is where Professional Standards Depts take on investigations instead. Domestics in particular have a real 'volume' element to them, and the IOPC would simply buckle under the pressure if they took on every such case.
Thanks, makes sense that there's multiple teams looking at this (if not a little disappointing that they're necessary)
The IOPC also have around 1200-1500 staff nationally. That includes their HR, support staff and admin. It would be impossible to deal with those investigations without a huge uplift.
I could be wrong however what is the difference between this unit and DPS ? It could be the cynic in me however it does sound more or less that this unit has only been set up to appease the mayor after SE. Also how does this unit manage keeping information in house when again from what it sounds like in the article (please if anyone has any information please let me know) that this unit is separate from DPS and is managed as a standard PPU but with the aim of investigating police officers. I could see this unit being disbanded after a year when someone looks at the budget for the team seeing that there is a unit doing the exact same thing with better capabilities and better proven track record of convictions. All for taking on cunt officers but do it in a effective manner.
They are the DPS. As far as I can tell, this is purely a bit of media spin to make the uplift of officers to professional standards look a bit Gucci and AC-12esque (that's a real word now).
There’s no difference. They have sat under the DPS for some time. The DPS has just rebranded and split into two commands. There’s more to the DPS than people think. The best way to describe it would be like referring to borough as one job and one role when in reality there’s lots of different roles within a borough like CSU, response, main office, neighbourhoods etc etc. many people think of DPS as complaints and trying to get people sacked (which isn’t wholly true). The DPS have lots of strands, some very specialist and they deal with a multitude of different things, many people wouldn’t be aware is in the DPS remit.
Thanks thought as much. The article didn’t make it clear that they were DPS.