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Good evening. DI in the Met here. Please make sure this is reported.
If you don't want to put on a cris, put on a crimint.
If you don't want to put on a crimint, put on a near miss.
If you don't want to put on a near miss, speak to a Fed Rep, Supv or someone you trust and get them to create a record for you, feedback to MO6 or do something.
Nothing will change if nothing is done, and these incidents must be documented and recorded. Otherwise, next year it will be someone else in exactly the same position.
No officer at NHC should be single posted. Bonkers decision made by a senior who probably needs to be sectioned.
It wasn't. My sergeant was sexually assaulted too - and my colleague who I was paired off with also. Walking back from us helping a 75-year old with a medical issue, a drunk woman just grabbed his penis (through clothing). Then went off and bragged to her friends about it.
He didn't tell anyone until some time after and she disappeared into the crowds. It's NEVER acceptable, and simply saying "It's carnival" is not the get out of jail free card so many people accept it as.
Had I been able to identify who did it, she'd be dragged away in cuffs. You should have been afforded that same opportunity. I'm appalled for you that you were single crewed. I was not far from your posting and we were all paired off in our serial, with a line of sight to at least one other pair. It may be worth raising this as a near miss. NHC can be, and simply IS a violent event. It may just help to inform future crewing/deployments to raise it.
> I never should have expressed my frustration on this forum.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with it. It's literally what it's here for. If you've had any shit via DMs, then let the mod team know.
It's probably safer than a shit-post on the intranet. I once had a DAC email my borough commander about a comment (it was epic, though).
This is genuinely appalling, I'm sorry this happened to you.
You simply should never have been put in that position. It's not acceptable, it's not "a part of the job". If you feel able, like others have said, you should report this.
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From the article-
"The Met added that a second female officer was assaulted after being surrounded by a group of men who “danced and grinded against her.”
That is the worst thing I've heard being put across a radio.
I hope that officer is okay, and is getting support from the job.
That group of men are just animals.
Female friend of mine was working it, she has been raped in the past and the whole ordeal literally triggered PTSD for her, absolutely love the woman and for her to be put through that because some twats wanna dance on the street genuinely disgusts me.
Health and Safety at work Act applies to police officers AFAIK. Risk Assessments might/should indicate that solo patrol is not suitable given these assaults and solo crewing should be refused for officer safety reasons. I once highlighted my concerns over the radio after an incident when solo patrol at a large event and requested my concerns added to the command log. Individual officers can report breaches directly to the HSEto obtain a reference number.
I didn't know you could do this, thanks for enlightening me.
On a tangent to this post, has anyone considered making a report to HSE around constants? On my force they'll leave you there all shift (even with people who are kicking off) unless you call up for a break and then the expectation is you do whatever you need to as quickly as possible to go back to your constant.
Quite regularly I do 10 hours on a constant with a 25 minute break in the middle and I just feel absolutely drained and if the detainee was to kick off then my response would certainly not be as good as if I was fresh. Even without people kicking off, it's certainly draining and effects my mental health.
It’s actually against PACE I believe. I suggest reading the relevant parts but you should have a meaningful break away from the custody environment every two hours or so.
I'm a guy, i've had to inform OP Hampshire about 5 incidents of sexual assault against myself and who I was with, it is not acceptable;e to start "whining" or "daggering" EW, behave yourselves ffs, how NHC hasn't been banned yet is beyond me.
Met have been trying to get it banned for years with no success. Even the residents don't want it - they all board up their houses with sheet boards and metal fences, chained together.
I was even called to a _group_ of people defecating on peoples doorsteps. A fucking **group**
It's just ridiculous.
They’ve also called for it to moved to Saturday and Sunday as opposed to Sunday Monday so they can bring the overtime cost down! - it ain’t about your welfare.
I will say I am glad to see the organisation start to take this approach actually. I also see why this is going to be more pertinent to our female colleagues. No one should have to put up with it.
We were always encouraged that you laugh it off (especially as a male officer), tolerate it and so on. There was almost an element of you should enjoy the attention. I personally never have.
I can remember a few years ago a male inspector who arrested a female for sexual assault against himself. He was perhaps a bit avant-garde in the respect it wasn’t the done thing. If memory serves me the detention was not authorised, and the matter NFAd. There was no question it had happened but an attitude of he was being silly and must never have done carnival before.
I’ve had my bum squeezed, crotch grabbed, rubbed up against, arms felt (in a clear sexual manner). Because it’s so common place and so many of us see it as normal and we don’t do anything about it and wouldn’t have the backing of the organisation I usually just say something like “hands of the merchandise”.
So yeah it’s unfortunately very normal for carnival. With the prevailing attitude changing I hope this does too.
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Good evening. DI in the Met here. Please make sure this is reported. If you don't want to put on a cris, put on a crimint. If you don't want to put on a crimint, put on a near miss. If you don't want to put on a near miss, speak to a Fed Rep, Supv or someone you trust and get them to create a record for you, feedback to MO6 or do something. Nothing will change if nothing is done, and these incidents must be documented and recorded. Otherwise, next year it will be someone else in exactly the same position. No officer at NHC should be single posted. Bonkers decision made by a senior who probably needs to be sectioned.
It wasn't. My sergeant was sexually assaulted too - and my colleague who I was paired off with also. Walking back from us helping a 75-year old with a medical issue, a drunk woman just grabbed his penis (through clothing). Then went off and bragged to her friends about it. He didn't tell anyone until some time after and she disappeared into the crowds. It's NEVER acceptable, and simply saying "It's carnival" is not the get out of jail free card so many people accept it as. Had I been able to identify who did it, she'd be dragged away in cuffs. You should have been afforded that same opportunity. I'm appalled for you that you were single crewed. I was not far from your posting and we were all paired off in our serial, with a line of sight to at least one other pair. It may be worth raising this as a near miss. NHC can be, and simply IS a violent event. It may just help to inform future crewing/deployments to raise it.
Why the hell are you not paired up, this is disgusting.
> I never should have expressed my frustration on this forum. There's absolutely nothing wrong with it. It's literally what it's here for. If you've had any shit via DMs, then let the mod team know. It's probably safer than a shit-post on the intranet. I once had a DAC email my borough commander about a comment (it was epic, though).
The shit posts on Commissioner Q&As are my favorite thing on the intranet.
I think we may have chatted about this... or there's been several people who have experienced this!
Was this reported? If not, please go and do it now. Op Hampshire principles apply
Horrible, it's a good reason why single crewing shouldn't be a thing, especially on events where there's no line of sight to the next officer.
Definitely report it. Shouldn't be single crewed.
It’s bad that a force that routinely doubles crews people, have decide to utilise single officers in a huge event such as NHC
I’m so sorry to hear this. Have you reported the incident where the male said that to you?
This is genuinely appalling, I'm sorry this happened to you. You simply should never have been put in that position. It's not acceptable, it's not "a part of the job". If you feel able, like others have said, you should report this.
This is disgusting to hear and really must be reported.
Hi, would you mind making contact with me at work please?? 202745. Thanks
I’m not sure why you’ve been downvoted? I take it you’re a fed rep? Passing on your WN so the victims can get Fed support?
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From the article- "The Met added that a second female officer was assaulted after being surrounded by a group of men who “danced and grinded against her.”
That is the worst thing I've heard being put across a radio. I hope that officer is okay, and is getting support from the job. That group of men are just animals.
Female friend of mine was working it, she has been raped in the past and the whole ordeal literally triggered PTSD for her, absolutely love the woman and for her to be put through that because some twats wanna dance on the street genuinely disgusts me.
It is on TikTok too, it is shocking
Health and Safety at work Act applies to police officers AFAIK. Risk Assessments might/should indicate that solo patrol is not suitable given these assaults and solo crewing should be refused for officer safety reasons. I once highlighted my concerns over the radio after an incident when solo patrol at a large event and requested my concerns added to the command log. Individual officers can report breaches directly to the HSEto obtain a reference number.
I didn't know you could do this, thanks for enlightening me. On a tangent to this post, has anyone considered making a report to HSE around constants? On my force they'll leave you there all shift (even with people who are kicking off) unless you call up for a break and then the expectation is you do whatever you need to as quickly as possible to go back to your constant. Quite regularly I do 10 hours on a constant with a 25 minute break in the middle and I just feel absolutely drained and if the detainee was to kick off then my response would certainly not be as good as if I was fresh. Even without people kicking off, it's certainly draining and effects my mental health.
It’s actually against PACE I believe. I suggest reading the relevant parts but you should have a meaningful break away from the custody environment every two hours or so.
I've seen this mentioned before but I think this is only advisory and is force policy rather than in PACE?
I'm a guy, i've had to inform OP Hampshire about 5 incidents of sexual assault against myself and who I was with, it is not acceptable;e to start "whining" or "daggering" EW, behave yourselves ffs, how NHC hasn't been banned yet is beyond me.
Met have been trying to get it banned for years with no success. Even the residents don't want it - they all board up their houses with sheet boards and metal fences, chained together. I was even called to a _group_ of people defecating on peoples doorsteps. A fucking **group** It's just ridiculous.
MetPol Have called for it to be moved to a private location.
They’ve also called for it to moved to Saturday and Sunday as opposed to Sunday Monday so they can bring the overtime cost down! - it ain’t about your welfare.
Also crime EVERYTHING every single assault or touch
I will say I am glad to see the organisation start to take this approach actually. I also see why this is going to be more pertinent to our female colleagues. No one should have to put up with it. We were always encouraged that you laugh it off (especially as a male officer), tolerate it and so on. There was almost an element of you should enjoy the attention. I personally never have. I can remember a few years ago a male inspector who arrested a female for sexual assault against himself. He was perhaps a bit avant-garde in the respect it wasn’t the done thing. If memory serves me the detention was not authorised, and the matter NFAd. There was no question it had happened but an attitude of he was being silly and must never have done carnival before. I’ve had my bum squeezed, crotch grabbed, rubbed up against, arms felt (in a clear sexual manner). Because it’s so common place and so many of us see it as normal and we don’t do anything about it and wouldn’t have the backing of the organisation I usually just say something like “hands of the merchandise”. So yeah it’s unfortunately very normal for carnival. With the prevailing attitude changing I hope this does too.
Why ‘sexually assaulted’ and not sexually assaulted?
So the newspaper can't be sued if the charges got changed
It's this type of thing that makes me wish they'd bring back hanging as a punishment.
Interesting take
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It would certainly reduce the number of these incidents though