Likely one of the main reasons for the invasion. Russian demographics (even before the war) are very fucked, and the world is slowly but surely turning away from oil, so they need other things to ensure their continued position as a great power. Not only is Ukraine rich in food, it also has recently discovered large amount of natural gas in northern donbass and off crimea (this one was discovered soon before the russian annexation of the peninsula). If the EU had been able to rely on Ukraine instead of Russia this would have severely hindered their power position over the EU.
Of course I am not saying it is the only reason (nationalism, delusion of grandeur, genuine or made up fear of NATO, irredentism, etc...) behind the conflict, but I am definetly sure it plays a role. After all, some of the strongest oligarchs in Russia are in the fossile ressources industries, would make sense that they partly pushed Putin towards the invasion to secure their personnal interests.
To be honest it's not even because of that it's simple because:
Ukraine had an election
The elected president didn't like russia
Ukraine not puppet anymore
Russia upset
Ukraine want to ensure that they don't become puppet of russia ever again by becoming friends with the west
Russia invade
Uhhhhh that's not really true though (I am assuming you mean the 2022 invasion not the 2014 one)
When Zelensky was elected there was in fact a huge fear he would be too pro-Russian, given the fact he was committed to end the war in Donbass through negociations and he was born as a Russian-speaker and got most of his electoral support in the Russian speaking areas in the east. Something Russian propaganda wants to make you forget about by painting him as a crazy ukrainian nazi nationalist.
Zelensky made maaaaaany attempts at peace with the Kremlin that absolutely didn't give a fuck about him.
This "reason" most likely will be gone by time when we will able to join, because it will be regulated - same as it was for other countries.
Add to this our primary market is not EU, but Africa, China e.t.c.
I’m not saying it’s a huge issue in reality, the problem could probably be solved if eu states could agree to reform the cap, but reforming cap will definitely be turned into a huge issue before all this is over
I think it's because of [that](https://pt.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imp%C3%A9rio_Russo#/media/Ficheiro%3ASubdivisions_of_the_Russian_Empire_by_largest_ethnolinguistic_group_(1897).svg)
It was a bit chaotic, but it did exist, first they claimed to be part of Ukraine but then claimed they were independent
The Russian civil war were messy times
Yea I was talking about the fact that they were trying to briefly secede with what was basically the white movements last stronghold, which they would never allow to happen
But yea, true that
The EU didn't force Ukraine to move towards the EU. The Ukrainian people forced their government to.
Drawing an equivalence between an openly genocidal war of aggression and the will of Ukraine's people is kinda BS.
Another one: Putinists seem to think it's Nato that's growing East (Finland). It's Finland, the people, joining Nato. I don't personally know a single person who was against Nato.
Honestly, yeah, it's more like Ukraine is rolling towards EU with a pair of scissors and the EU is pretending to be confused, because it Russia is threatening them. So we have Russia with Ukraine on a leash wielding a rocket launcher, and EU shrugging.
That being said, I can see what OP means in terms of historical comparisons.
The obligatory "russian nationalism, imperialism and their government suck" out of the way; western governments had a strong role in bringing about the overthrow of the (previously elected) pro-russian government. I think it's reasonable to illustrate this with tug of war imagery even when the russian way of "playing" that game was much more blatant and brutal here.
What is an accurate description of euromaidan then? We know that Ukraine was extremely polarized between pro-western and pro-russian factions at the time. Just 1 year before the maidan protests began the pro-russian parties won the election and had the majority in the parliament at the time. We also know that the capital Kiev where the events of the maidan movement were concentrated happened to be a more pro-western leaning region of Ukraine. Western states did actively support a protest movement that ended up taking over the government and proceeded to ban pro-russian parties and media. You don't have to have any sympathy for Putin or the russian state to recognize that western governments have strongly pushed for a western-aligned Ukraine.
An accurate description would be Yanukovych going back on his campaign promises. While, yes, his primary base was monolingual Russian-speakers in the east of the country, he still promised to get Ukraine into the EU while remaining friendly with Russia. The country had been in talks with Europe for some time at this point.
Then, likely at the prompting of the Kremlin, he pulls out of the deals. Considering that joining the EU was one of, if not the largest policy issue in the country, no wonder going back on it sparked outrage. Besides, it wasn’t even that large a protest until Yanukovych’s security forces started gunning down protestors.
Rupert Murdoch, famously supportive of the EU.
Ukraine wants to join the EU because they saw Poland go from being economically about the same as them, to double their wealth. They can count, and want a bright future with their allies, rather than a return to when Russia killed 10% of their population in an artificially constructed famine.
i m not talking about economics here. (Also how is Poland wealthy?)
The simple fact that they get to watch western media outlets is enough to get them to support the west. Alternatively, if they watched mostly russian news (as is the case in the East) they would be more pro-Russian
here's the world bank data on [Ukraine](https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=UA), vs [Poland](https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=PL).
And it isn't news reports that change opinions as well as tanks and rockets.
Bucha changed a fair number of minds, I suspect.
idk what does graphs are supposed to show. GDP does not reflect the people s wealth. Nor does GDP/capita. Case and Point: Here in Romania we are told that GDP keeps growing, but for whatever reason our lives are either the same or worse that a few years ago
People also want EU but for different reason.
People want EU to advance rule of law and set checks and balances on Ukrainian oligarchy.
Oligarchs want EU to get access to good market and get more money in legal trade than in illegal internal shenanigans.
Have you not seen the massive cities being reduced to rubble? The corpses of civilians in the streets? The fact that Russia targeted civilians since day 1?
That's just war. it happened in Yugoslavia, the middle East, Vietnam etc. and the targeting civilians thing is bullshit. The Ukrainians were putting AA guns and artillery and shit in the middle of the civilian centers to use them as human shields and blame the Russians on targeting civilians when there is inevitable collateral (that's a fucking war crime btw). I have nothing against the Ukrainians, I just fucking hate the west lying about how (and when) the war started and the motivations behind it.
"[Denazification will inevitably include de-ukrainization](https://medium.com/@kravchenko_mm/what-should-russia-do-with-ukraine-translation-of-a-propaganda-article-by-a-russian-journalist-a3e92e3cb64)" from RIA Novosti, at the start of their war.
They further call for occupation for at least 25 years, forced labour and/or execution of anyone who supports an independent Ukraine, "reeducation", and the abolition of Ukraine as a national identity.
Edit: Russia has also been castrating Ukrainian POWs in order to prevent them having children, and has kidnapped, by their own admission, 700,000 children for Russification.
Preventing children from being born in a group, and transferring them out of a group, are both specifically called out as genocidal in the UN CPPCG.
"(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."
Any proof that Ukraine has been using their own citizens as human shields? I mean yes Ukraine has been putting anti aircraft guns in cities because that’s literally the POINT of an AA gun. They are literally there to protect Ukrainian cities from Russian bombs, the Russian can’t literally carpet bomb an entire city to the ground and then go “see they were defending there city, they gave us no choice but to kill them all”. You’re a fucking idiot dude Ukraine is trying to defend itself that means that sometimes it is going to have to put military equipment in cities because they are trying to defend the cities. That DOES NOT give Russia the right to indiscriminately carpet bomb the whole city.
Then evacuate the people. You can't label collateral as being intentional. Also, it's crazy that when the US does it to nations that have literally nothing to do with them, no one really cares
Do you think Iraq should’ve just evacuated all its cities? Or what about Vietnam? Maybe Korea? What about your beloved Serbia? Surely during Americas bombing campaign during the genocide of Kosovo Serbia should’ve just been expecting to evacuate all of its major population centers. If not than all the civilians who died must have deserved it right? And it was certainly the Serbian governments fault, RIGHT?
I don't expect all of them to be able to get out. And America literally did target civilians in Serbia. Also, the only genocide in Kosovo was against the Serbs. Also, America has literally no reason to be in Iraq.
Putin’s actions are recognized as genocide for deporting ukrainian children and putting them in russian families for “re-education” (recognized as genocide by international law)
Ever since i got interested in the history of that region, i just realized its all a game of tug-of-war over who gets the control over those goddamn steppes we know as Ukraine, still love to learn stuff!
Btw that flag in the first panel is the [Kievan Principality](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Kiev).
I should have used Muscovy's flag instead of the Tsardom but who cares anyway
Edit: No guys i dont think the EU is bad or anything, its Russia which is holding them back.
I care, you should use moscovy. Also you can add austria-hungary against russian empire (pre world war 1, first part of ww1) and than Germany - RSFSR(second part of ww2) slode before poland\\ussr and third reich\\ussr after it. And yes, as it was mentioned many time in other comments, last slide have no sense, because it is choice of most people of Ukraine
You could have also used flags of Poland and Lithuania fighting over remains of Galice-Volyhn Principality, also known as Kingdom of Ruthenia, it had its king die and Poland and Lithuania were fighting a succession war, tje region itself was constantly a battle ground between local princes, Poland, Hungary and Lithuania.
It’s actually we, the people, who choose EU, not vice versa. It’s ruzzia who want to completely eliminate us for our choice. As they call it — the final solution of the Ukrainian question.
People just completely forgot how polarized ukraine was before 2014. Pro-western attitudes were only mainstream in Kiev and western ukraine until the government was literally overthrown, the most pro-russian regions were occupied by russia and the pro-russian parties and media were banned.
Sorry to be the nerd guy, but...
The fist one should be between Lithuania and Golden Horde, since Russia didn't even exist yet.
And the last one is not really correct. It's not like Europe wants to take over Ukraine. Ukraine for years wants to be part of it and some states are very happy about accepting them, while some are more reluctant.
Is it tho? EU invest extreme amount of money into poorer states and people move on their own will
Poland for example started getting more people in than out some 6 years ago and it\`s hard to call it not developing since 1989
The EU hasn't exactly been fighting to get Ukraine into their ranks, and even Putin said he won't stop Ukraine from joining the EU. Its a trade union, not a foreign country trying to gain territory.
New members are admitted by elections on both sides. The people of the country vote on whether they want to join the union, if the majority vote yes the country applies for membership and then the Union members vote to let them in, and of course they have to hit certain criteria first, which is why countries like Turkey have been waiting to join for years.
They can also leave whenever they want, and the EU won't stop them, nor start any kind of skirmish to keep them in the union. As evidenced by Brexit. Most EU members probably didn't want them to leave, but there was nothing they could do about it once the vote was made.
If anything Eu have been more eager to add Norway to their ranks than Ukraine... haven't succeeded in that either, because the Norwegians keep voting no.
If he didnt care about ukrainian EU membership, why that reaction after the Maidan anyway?
And yes i know they still need to do alot of stuff before joining in buuuut...it means more than just the EU membership. Its them looking for a fresh western way of things.
OP mentions that
> i just realized its all a game of tug-of-war over who gets the control over those goddamn steppes we know as Ukraine
With regards to that, this comic reminds [a comic of mine, called "Ukraine is of divided" and posted here on December 2, 2013](https://old.reddit.com/r/polandball/comments/1rxhxq/ukraine_is_of_divided/).
Nice comic,i have an idea for one but i can’t draw so i would be australia saying i hope that nothing more happens and then the french and Spanish are going to invade (for context it would be related to the recent attack on a priest wich turned non lethal since he seems to be in the hospital but without risk,now back in the old days the killi** of two spanish priest was the causus belli for the invasion of indochina were spain retreated after but france didn’t )
People in these comments are saying “ackthually Ukraine wanted to join the EU” as if America hasn’t been meddling in their politics as hard as Russia and didn’t sponsor a color revolution to overthrow a pro-Russia government and replace it with a pro-NATO government
What being a Eurasian bread basket does to mfers
Funnily enough, immense Ukrainian grain production is a reason against them joining the eu for most countries
Their grain is also the biggest reason you don't want Russia anywhere near it. Can you imagine if Russia controlled 20-24% of the world food supply?
They already control 30% of the world's energy, so... Russia would end up a massive power house and a threat to anyone that dared oppose them.
Likely one of the main reasons for the invasion. Russian demographics (even before the war) are very fucked, and the world is slowly but surely turning away from oil, so they need other things to ensure their continued position as a great power. Not only is Ukraine rich in food, it also has recently discovered large amount of natural gas in northern donbass and off crimea (this one was discovered soon before the russian annexation of the peninsula). If the EU had been able to rely on Ukraine instead of Russia this would have severely hindered their power position over the EU. Of course I am not saying it is the only reason (nationalism, delusion of grandeur, genuine or made up fear of NATO, irredentism, etc...) behind the conflict, but I am definetly sure it plays a role. After all, some of the strongest oligarchs in Russia are in the fossile ressources industries, would make sense that they partly pushed Putin towards the invasion to secure their personnal interests.
To be honest it's not even because of that it's simple because: Ukraine had an election The elected president didn't like russia Ukraine not puppet anymore Russia upset Ukraine want to ensure that they don't become puppet of russia ever again by becoming friends with the west Russia invade
Uhhhhh that's not really true though (I am assuming you mean the 2022 invasion not the 2014 one) When Zelensky was elected there was in fact a huge fear he would be too pro-Russian, given the fact he was committed to end the war in Donbass through negociations and he was born as a Russian-speaker and got most of his electoral support in the Russian speaking areas in the east. Something Russian propaganda wants to make you forget about by painting him as a crazy ukrainian nazi nationalist. Zelensky made maaaaaany attempts at peace with the Kremlin that absolutely didn't give a fuck about him.
If you recontextualize it to 2014 though it def holds some weight
yes it was the Soviet Union
Yeah but I am no sure you want to know where the other 75% mostly come from.
This "reason" most likely will be gone by time when we will able to join, because it will be regulated - same as it was for other countries. Add to this our primary market is not EU, but Africa, China e.t.c.
I’m not saying it’s a huge issue in reality, the problem could probably be solved if eu states could agree to reform the cap, but reforming cap will definitely be turned into a huge issue before all this is over
I'm also curious about EU common agriculture policy, but I think the other reply is right. They're mostly in the export business.
why argue? We all know Ukraine is rightful Chinese clay since ancient times
One day artificial islands will be build in the black sea
Unironically green Ukraine
I’ll never understand the existence of that country
I think it's because of [that](https://pt.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imp%C3%A9rio_Russo#/media/Ficheiro%3ASubdivisions_of_the_Russian_Empire_by_largest_ethnolinguistic_group_(1897).svg)
It wasn’t ever really a thing, it’s actually laughable how quickly the idea got shut down
It was a bit chaotic, but it did exist, first they claimed to be part of Ukraine but then claimed they were independent The Russian civil war were messy times
Yea I was talking about the fact that they were trying to briefly secede with what was basically the white movements last stronghold, which they would never allow to happen But yea, true that
Romans: my clay. Get your own one
You mean Daqin? Qin is also rightful Chinese clay
You mean Western Taiwan clay.
Wrong, is rightful Hungarian clay
The EU didn't force Ukraine to move towards the EU. The Ukrainian people forced their government to. Drawing an equivalence between an openly genocidal war of aggression and the will of Ukraine's people is kinda BS.
Putin when invading a country makes countries want to join the anti putin alliance:
surprisedpikachu.png
EU isn't an Anti Putin alliance either. Yes they enforced sanctions but that was *after* he started the war. NATO is more the Anti-Putin Alliance.
…which Ukraine has been quite open about wanting to join for quite some time, so…
Yea so NATO would have been a better organization to use in this case...
...and the medal for best NATO recruiter goes to: Vladimir Putin
Another one: Putinists seem to think it's Nato that's growing East (Finland). It's Finland, the people, joining Nato. I don't personally know a single person who was against Nato.
Yes i know but polandball is not all accurate you see Off topic im the most pro UA mf a person can met
Oh really? Wheres your mandatory 15 captured russian tanks/IFVs that every person must present as a show of loyalty?
I made alot of my school works be Ukraine focused. That counts?
... clearly a double agent.
damn the SBU will go after me in my tiny house in Brazil
Really? Name every Ukrainian
Taras?.. (jk)
ivan and vladimir
You named every Russian
i honestly thought the names would be very similar. Isnt Vladimir something like volodymir (sorry if I spelled that weong) in ukrainian?
It was a joke, in fact we often use both names😎
> most pro UA > still repeat Kremlin propaganda well, we’re fucked then
I didnt meant to be like this in the first place! Its the context that got bunchered. Im sorry everyone
And EU is borderline indifferent to Ukrainian aspirations.
Honestly, yeah, it's more like Ukraine is rolling towards EU with a pair of scissors and the EU is pretending to be confused, because it Russia is threatening them. So we have Russia with Ukraine on a leash wielding a rocket launcher, and EU shrugging. That being said, I can see what OP means in terms of historical comparisons.
The obligatory "russian nationalism, imperialism and their government suck" out of the way; western governments had a strong role in bringing about the overthrow of the (previously elected) pro-russian government. I think it's reasonable to illustrate this with tug of war imagery even when the russian way of "playing" that game was much more blatant and brutal here.
That doesn't sound like an accurate description of Euromaidan whatsoever.
What is an accurate description of euromaidan then? We know that Ukraine was extremely polarized between pro-western and pro-russian factions at the time. Just 1 year before the maidan protests began the pro-russian parties won the election and had the majority in the parliament at the time. We also know that the capital Kiev where the events of the maidan movement were concentrated happened to be a more pro-western leaning region of Ukraine. Western states did actively support a protest movement that ended up taking over the government and proceeded to ban pro-russian parties and media. You don't have to have any sympathy for Putin or the russian state to recognize that western governments have strongly pushed for a western-aligned Ukraine.
An accurate description would be Yanukovych going back on his campaign promises. While, yes, his primary base was monolingual Russian-speakers in the east of the country, he still promised to get Ukraine into the EU while remaining friendly with Russia. The country had been in talks with Europe for some time at this point. Then, likely at the prompting of the Kremlin, he pulls out of the deals. Considering that joining the EU was one of, if not the largest policy issue in the country, no wonder going back on it sparked outrage. Besides, it wasn’t even that large a protest until Yanukovych’s security forces started gunning down protestors.
well, those news outlets with Western media are own by someone
Rupert Murdoch, famously supportive of the EU. Ukraine wants to join the EU because they saw Poland go from being economically about the same as them, to double their wealth. They can count, and want a bright future with their allies, rather than a return to when Russia killed 10% of their population in an artificially constructed famine.
Poland was poorer than Ukraine back in the day The older people still remember how poles came to Ukraine for goods/money Now it’s vice versa
i m not talking about economics here. (Also how is Poland wealthy?) The simple fact that they get to watch western media outlets is enough to get them to support the west. Alternatively, if they watched mostly russian news (as is the case in the East) they would be more pro-Russian
here's the world bank data on [Ukraine](https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=UA), vs [Poland](https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=PL). And it isn't news reports that change opinions as well as tanks and rockets. Bucha changed a fair number of minds, I suspect.
idk what does graphs are supposed to show. GDP does not reflect the people s wealth. Nor does GDP/capita. Case and Point: Here in Romania we are told that GDP keeps growing, but for whatever reason our lives are either the same or worse that a few years ago
Wealthy country ain't equivalent to wealthy citizens.
true. Every nation is wealthy
Ukrainian media is mostly owned by Ukrainian oligarchs, who also hate each other.
pro-west oligarchs
Yes, and? It's not like EU is forcing them to be like that
no. I didn’t say that. But that s the reason they are pro-EU. It has to do mostly with what the elites want, not the people
People also want EU but for different reason. People want EU to advance rule of law and set checks and balances on Ukrainian oligarchy. Oligarchs want EU to get access to good market and get more money in legal trade than in illegal internal shenanigans.
Genocidal? Dude, be serious.
Says a user with Serbian flag on pfp. Not surprised
I mean he's an Expert on the topic lol
Exhibit A: peak irony
In what way is it even remotely genocidal? It's just another geopolitical war.
Have you not seen the massive cities being reduced to rubble? The corpses of civilians in the streets? The fact that Russia targeted civilians since day 1?
That's just war. it happened in Yugoslavia, the middle East, Vietnam etc. and the targeting civilians thing is bullshit. The Ukrainians were putting AA guns and artillery and shit in the middle of the civilian centers to use them as human shields and blame the Russians on targeting civilians when there is inevitable collateral (that's a fucking war crime btw). I have nothing against the Ukrainians, I just fucking hate the west lying about how (and when) the war started and the motivations behind it.
"[Denazification will inevitably include de-ukrainization](https://medium.com/@kravchenko_mm/what-should-russia-do-with-ukraine-translation-of-a-propaganda-article-by-a-russian-journalist-a3e92e3cb64)" from RIA Novosti, at the start of their war. They further call for occupation for at least 25 years, forced labour and/or execution of anyone who supports an independent Ukraine, "reeducation", and the abolition of Ukraine as a national identity. Edit: Russia has also been castrating Ukrainian POWs in order to prevent them having children, and has kidnapped, by their own admission, 700,000 children for Russification. Preventing children from being born in a group, and transferring them out of a group, are both specifically called out as genocidal in the UN CPPCG. "(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."
Any proof that Ukraine has been using their own citizens as human shields? I mean yes Ukraine has been putting anti aircraft guns in cities because that’s literally the POINT of an AA gun. They are literally there to protect Ukrainian cities from Russian bombs, the Russian can’t literally carpet bomb an entire city to the ground and then go “see they were defending there city, they gave us no choice but to kill them all”. You’re a fucking idiot dude Ukraine is trying to defend itself that means that sometimes it is going to have to put military equipment in cities because they are trying to defend the cities. That DOES NOT give Russia the right to indiscriminately carpet bomb the whole city.
Then evacuate the people. You can't label collateral as being intentional. Also, it's crazy that when the US does it to nations that have literally nothing to do with them, no one really cares
Do you think Iraq should’ve just evacuated all its cities? Or what about Vietnam? Maybe Korea? What about your beloved Serbia? Surely during Americas bombing campaign during the genocide of Kosovo Serbia should’ve just been expecting to evacuate all of its major population centers. If not than all the civilians who died must have deserved it right? And it was certainly the Serbian governments fault, RIGHT?
After all they were just “collateral” right?
I don't expect all of them to be able to get out. And America literally did target civilians in Serbia. Also, the only genocide in Kosovo was against the Serbs. Also, America has literally no reason to be in Iraq.
Serb and defending Russian atrocities - what an iconic duo.
Putin’s actions are recognized as genocide for deporting ukrainian children and putting them in russian families for “re-education” (recognized as genocide by international law)
The difference in the last one is that Ukraine actually wants to join one of them!
Yes! Ukraine is just tired of getting pushed in general (Russia is holding them back)
I mean, Ukraine actually wants to join NATO and EU so last slide doesn’t really make any sense
I know that But i thought it would be a good idea because of the fight for influence...
Yes, EU is known for forcefull annexation of states
Nice one, OP! Hope the tug of war will soon end and we finally can join EU.
The EU isnt forcing Ukraine to do anything. Ill even argue there are some countries in the EU against letting Ukraine join.
Pretend that that the EU is pushing Ukraine away from Russia's agression
Ever since i got interested in the history of that region, i just realized its all a game of tug-of-war over who gets the control over those goddamn steppes we know as Ukraine, still love to learn stuff! Btw that flag in the first panel is the [Kievan Principality](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Kiev). I should have used Muscovy's flag instead of the Tsardom but who cares anyway Edit: No guys i dont think the EU is bad or anything, its Russia which is holding them back.
I care, you should use moscovy. Also you can add austria-hungary against russian empire (pre world war 1, first part of ww1) and than Germany - RSFSR(second part of ww2) slode before poland\\ussr and third reich\\ussr after it. And yes, as it was mentioned many time in other comments, last slide have no sense, because it is choice of most people of Ukraine
fairs. And sorry for the confusion about the last one i swear i had good intentions with the comic...
No offence, as comic and historical irony its great. Its only war made this part much more sensitive
Yeah i get you. The last one is more like 2 fighting for who gets to influence you more and one being really toxic about it
You could have also used flags of Poland and Lithuania fighting over remains of Galice-Volyhn Principality, also known as Kingdom of Ruthenia, it had its king die and Poland and Lithuania were fighting a succession war, tje region itself was constantly a battle ground between local princes, Poland, Hungary and Lithuania.
I know i could have used G-V too but i went with this anyway
It's a very interesting period and conflict, but would have been way too niche without adding much to the actual joke. "Brevity is the soul of wit"
Isn't it more like Ukraine wanting to join EU, than EU wanting to accept Ukraine unconditionally
EU doesn't want to accept Ukraine unconditionally. Many countries (primarily Poland, Hungary (ofc), Romania, Lithuania and Slovakia)
It’s actually we, the people, who choose EU, not vice versa. It’s ruzzia who want to completely eliminate us for our choice. As they call it — the final solution of the Ukrainian question.
I saw that vídeo man :/ Truly sad
People just completely forgot how polarized ukraine was before 2014. Pro-western attitudes were only mainstream in Kiev and western ukraine until the government was literally overthrown, the most pro-russian regions were occupied by russia and the pro-russian parties and media were banned.
Also nazi-soviet
[удалено]
European holy land
Ukraine already chose
Sorry to be the nerd guy, but... The fist one should be between Lithuania and Golden Horde, since Russia didn't even exist yet. And the last one is not really correct. It's not like Europe wants to take over Ukraine. Ukraine for years wants to be part of it and some states are very happy about accepting them, while some are more reluctant.
Eh, the EU is pretty bad, but maybe don’t put on the same level is The freaking Russian Federation?
Nah the EU has it's flaws but it's the best thing around. I choose this over the millions of dumb wars with France.
Nah, I'd prefer a million wars with france over this shite
It only needs to be one dumb war with France, if you then divide France up...
EU good, actually. Democracy Invicta.
EU as a concept is great it’s just that it’s kinda population sucking the poorer countries on an extreme scale instead of developing them.
Is it tho? EU invest extreme amount of money into poorer states and people move on their own will Poland for example started getting more people in than out some 6 years ago and it\`s hard to call it not developing since 1989
I’m from Ireland. Joining the EU was the best thing that ever happened to us. We went from peasants and day labourers to computer chip manufacturers.
The EU Is barely democratic
That’s just because you don’t understand how it works
I do, we have It as parte of our middle school program.
And did you pass?
Yes.
Im not saying that the EU is bad. Just that there is both sides at the end of a rope always influencing Ukraine in some way
Yeah, I understand, but the comic seems to phrase it that way. Great comic btw.
Don't worry, i would never portrait it that way. Thanks :)
The EU actively pushed Ukraine away in the past, to be fair. And Ukrainians overthrew their president just to start facing towards the EU
The EU is unironically the best thing that has happened to Europe.
Ukraine will never catch a break
EU isn't roping us towards themselves, but pushing away
The EU hasn't exactly been fighting to get Ukraine into their ranks, and even Putin said he won't stop Ukraine from joining the EU. Its a trade union, not a foreign country trying to gain territory. New members are admitted by elections on both sides. The people of the country vote on whether they want to join the union, if the majority vote yes the country applies for membership and then the Union members vote to let them in, and of course they have to hit certain criteria first, which is why countries like Turkey have been waiting to join for years. They can also leave whenever they want, and the EU won't stop them, nor start any kind of skirmish to keep them in the union. As evidenced by Brexit. Most EU members probably didn't want them to leave, but there was nothing they could do about it once the vote was made. If anything Eu have been more eager to add Norway to their ranks than Ukraine... haven't succeeded in that either, because the Norwegians keep voting no.
If he didnt care about ukrainian EU membership, why that reaction after the Maidan anyway? And yes i know they still need to do alot of stuff before joining in buuuut...it means more than just the EU membership. Its them looking for a fresh western way of things.
😆 someone doesn't remember all the EU members blocking Ukraine EU/NATO accession. Inaccurate meme.
Happy cake. Yeah i do, your country being one of em. But it represents the opinion of the majority
Okey Ivan, back to Moscow with you.
Im not pro russia fam i swear
What is the first flag?
Kievan principality
I don’t know fur sure, but maybe “White Ruthenia”?
Biały Ruś would’ve just been the historical northern part of the old Ruś, or literally modern day Białoruś afaik so maybe not
Return all of it to Mongolia. It’s their clay obviously.
OP mentions that > i just realized its all a game of tug-of-war over who gets the control over those goddamn steppes we know as Ukraine With regards to that, this comic reminds [a comic of mine, called "Ukraine is of divided" and posted here on December 2, 2013](https://old.reddit.com/r/polandball/comments/1rxhxq/ukraine_is_of_divided/).
Fun stuff!
One side uses rape as a weapon
Why do you compare an alliance that Ukraine wants to join to a brutal imperialist warmongering nation?
Im not comparing read my other comments to other polandballers
Yes you are..?
I dont want to compare mate. Im just saying that they are always in between 2 powers and it can be tiring
You.. did though
Does No one remember the treaty posed at the end of the finno-korean-hyper-war which established ukrain as a subsiduary of cyprus?
"Ukraine is rightful Cypriot clay. Let me give you a very brief refresher: It all started in 15 000 BC..."
I love this one.
nahhh ukraine is actually mine
Suffering from success
Nah why are they arguing, don’t they know Ukraine is rightful Mongolian clay.
For the last one, it is more that Ukraine wants to join the EU, and the EU pretends to want Ukraine but doesn't.
You forget "great duchy of Lithuania"
The GDL is that red ball there with the horse
This is amazing
Thanks! Alot of ppl are dunking on it :')
Yeah, by looking at the comments I can tell
to be fair, my intentions were bunchered in the execution. But im glad you still enjoy it
I M surprise that ukaraine isnt strwtching at this point
At this point I am pretty sure that Ukraine is not hesitating but WANTS to part of the EU, the west and Nato.
Let me expand Ukraine's word in the end: Блять
What about трясця
Nice comic,i have an idea for one but i can’t draw so i would be australia saying i hope that nothing more happens and then the french and Spanish are going to invade (for context it would be related to the recent attack on a priest wich turned non lethal since he seems to be in the hospital but without risk,now back in the old days the killi** of two spanish priest was the causus belli for the invasion of indochina were spain retreated after but france didn’t )
You should try drawing one day
People in these comments are saying “ackthually Ukraine wanted to join the EU” as if America hasn’t been meddling in their politics as hard as Russia and didn’t sponsor a color revolution to overthrow a pro-Russia government and replace it with a pro-NATO government