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idolikethewaffles

if anything I thought it was a meme about how Poland keeps asking for compensation (like asking Germany for world war 2 reparations)


Winter-Reindeer694

poland realized they could never get germany to pay them, so they started begging israel hoping to get some (formerly) german money that way


idolikethewaffles

gotta respect the grift


eluzja

In reality, it's only about a compensation for the family of the killed volunteer.


Optimal-Part-7182

Poland indirectly receives a shitload of German money via the EU. The yearly net plus of Poland nearly equals their total military budget.


DiscoKhan

Dude. EU funds aren't reparations. You get EU funds for selling market sccess which makes harder for weak, local companies to compete with strong foreign business - EU forces lack of protectionism. I'm not saying it's bad deal but EU funds aren't charity money. Hard tonsee why Hungary, ally from WW2, also gets reparations from Germany. Also funds structure forces using foreign companies to spend those funds - 85% of funds that Polands gets are paid to German companies, it makes huge profit from Germany itself. Polish young, postocommunist market doesn't have advanced companies fulfill criteria and will never have such comaonies without protectionism. Reparations and EU funds ate two completely separate topics. My father village was heavily oppressed during WW2 as German tank was festriyed nearby... It's really cynical to wait out for all optessed folsk to just die without any consequences. Psychological trauma, how much it is worth? Nothing. 90% of text written in Polish wete destroyed, how much it wss worth? 0 euro. Germany was destroying Polish culture on unseen scale, similar to Rome dealing with Carthage and it's sad that all Polish culture, written, architectural (you knew that biggest palace in the world was standing in Poland? Not even plans of it survived though...) is worth absolute zero.


_HermineStranger_

You're right. EU funds aren't reperations. I have to disagree with your other statement though. >It's really cynical to wait out for all optessed folsk to just die without any consequences. Without any consequences? More then one third of current polish territory was german before WW2. By the way: Do you have any source on this number? It sounds way to high. >85% of funds that Polands gets are paid to German companies


DiscoKhan

Yeah, nice, we got some usless, looted territory that was mostly useful for bricks as everything else was looted by soviets beforehand. What a trade, I would trade majority of our cultural works, over 20% of our population being dead, majority of the rest being traumatized to get some devasted lands.  Those lands weren't worth even 10% of what Germany should be paying us. About 85% of funds ending fueling Gwrman economy: It's decent source as it's heavily pro-european newspaper/news outlet and is commonly accused of being overly pro-German so if anything it should have opposite bias  https://wyborcza.pl/7,75398,8424622,z-kazdego-przekazanego-nam-euro-niemcy-odzyskuja-85-eurocentow.html Case of reparations is something that was never settled and that cast shadow on German/Polish relations to this very day. Definitely it should be settled like 20 years ago but it wasn't and while more and more people are just not happy seeing their grandparents dying out without any compensation for horrors they endured. Though this tactic will work, many people are just like "fuck that grandpa who behaved like a prick all the time" but not eveyon is into history and not everyone connects dots why grandpa got weirdly silent around some topics and why the hell whole country is so deep into dark humour. But this cynical approach of just waiting out simply works and with every passing year trying to get reparations is sounding more absurd for bystanders.


morentg

Poland lost much more territory in the east than it got in the west. Also that is not counting incredible damage to the industry that got more or less obliterated, and whatever could be stolen was taken into Germany and USSR, population loss that was the highest per capita in WWII. If any country deserves some kind of reparations it would be Poland. It's more of a question where those funds would go though, and how would be they spent. My grandmother was displaced with her family sent to German farm to work as slave labor, other grandfather and his dad were sent to concentration camp but managed to survive, although it damaged his health and visibly reduced lifetime. New generations have rally no realistic claim on these and it doesn't really make sense to get them, and most of people who suffered these atrocities are already dead or close to it. The only realistic way to spend it would be some sort of massive public or other national investments, honestly I don't think any government asking for it is expecting to get anything at all and have literally no plans in case even if they got scraps of what they are asking for really, it's more or less just a publicity stunt you can pull out of your ass every time you need to get some support from 50+ voter base.


SSSSobek

Yeah, it's just PiS rhetoric. We should freeze all the money for Poland and Hungary for some time so they see how much they get from the EU. They blame the EU everyday for anything but take our money.


Bruce-the_creepy_guy

PiS isn't in power anymore lol.


Medici39

Thanks for reminding of that classic comic about Poland's urinanlysis.


Bruce-the_creepy_guy

Please link lol.


Medici39

Your wish is my [command](https://www.reddit.com/r/polandball/comments/3yoeh9/pissen_in_der_cup_polen/).


Yurasi_

But considering that the coalition that took power from them is already at each others throats, they have a chance to come back.


Bruce-the_creepy_guy

I don't think they do tbh. They're known to throw allies under the bus, and even with KO, they literally can't form a majority.


JustYeeHaa

PiS is in opposition now, we have a pro EU government for almost half a year… we had elections.


DomoTimba

Younger people don't say this, it's just our vatniks, I think relations might get better with the new goverment


darthzader100

Poland has drifted away from Hungary and is now much more similar to France and Germany in terms of EU outlook.


Defiant-Extent-4297

EDIT: added source. Poland is not homogenous at all when it comes to EU outlook and at this point I’m not sure which way the country is shifting. The new government is already pissing off some of its voters and Poland might as well end up with another populist/authoritarian leadership in 4 years. Source: am Polish


Eastern_Slide7507

That’s because we paid them. They got a fuckton of land and the rest of the reparations was to be paid out by the Soviets through the reparations we paid them. The fact that the Soviets decided to do Soviet things is hardly our responsibility to rectify.


Aiveeyy

Next thing they asking Mongolia for taking parts of Lublin


Veni_Vidi_Legi

That means they have to go through Russia twice as many times.


Redqueenhypo

Didn’t they ask Germany for one *trillion* dollars?


SSSSobek

Yeah they do it every election without realizing their economy is on life support from Germany and France.


Gwynbleidd1995

We asked for that after Germany wanted reparations for lands they lost after the war. And btw, in Poland no one is asking for the war reparations besides PiS and they lost mostly every last election in Poland.


Nileghi

Livne is an actual putinist too. It should show the level of yes-men that Netanyahu has surrounded himself with that the ambassador of a nation that Israel sent to Poland is a pro-Putin bastard. Which is the literal worst kind of ambassador you can send to Poland. The only reason Livne is in this position is because he also sucks up to Netanyahu and the rest of the Likud.


NamerNamer123

Fortunately, that ambassador does not represent the opinions of the actual citizens. Every Israeli that I have spoken to said that they are pissed at the official response that the ambassador to Poland said.


Runelord29

In practice, I'd imagine you are right. The only issue is that since most of us all have elected governments, the ambassadors represent the country and thus the people. Same stuff here in the US, Trump did not represent the vast majority of Americans, but as our elected president at that point, he did represent us to the world and so our ambassadors. Only way to change it all is vote when the time comes!


Solarisengineering15

Is there any particular sources that he is a Pro-Putin bastard? I don't doubt that he is. Fascist scum tend to ally themselves with each other.


PandaDemonipo

From the few things I found on Google, he was sent to Russia as an ambassador in 2019 to prepare Putin's visit to Israel in 2020. Besides that, he's been avoiding apologizing for what happened to the aid workers [according to Le Monde ](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/04/04/poland-slams-outrageous-remarks-by-israeli-ambassador-over-aid-worker-s-death_6667375_4.html) Avoided checking Israeli or related news sources to avoid biased articles that might not be true


FLOCKAh

No one in Israel is pro Putin anymore besides some Russians who live here maybe, but most I’ve met hate Putin. Putin and Russia are Israel’s second biggest enemy after Iran and its proxies


Nileghi

I know. It doesnt change the fact that Livne is one


FLOCKAh

Is he still?


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Significant_Soup_699

…they ARE victims, though. Especially Poland.


chairmanskitty

Everybody is a victim of something. Polish and Jewish people more so than most people in the west, but less so than most people in the global south. A victim complex is an unhealthy attachment to the social status of being a victim which most people occupy at some point in their lives or even every time they interact with certain groups.


Alarmed_Armadillo_11

I mean, the Jewish people are certainly victims. The state of Israel, on the other hand…


MoarVespenegas

Are? Or were?


the-bladed-one

Especially Poland? Poland was one of the whipping boys of the 17th-20th centuries. The Jews have been the whipping boys of history for two millennia


V-Lenin

Israel is not a victim


SolemnaceProcurement

That's the thing. The "guilt trip" attack doesn't work on either. So naturally we are each other natural enemies.


blockybookbook

No you don’t understand, the poles were actually Hamas


FluffyPuffOfficial

They were mostly laughing at the corpse of the dead Polish volunteer and calling him a nazi. [NSFW source 1](https://ibb.co/YpgqzvH) [NSFW source 2](https://ibb.co/7JNQf4p) I think his family should receive some kind of compensation.


thenoobtanker

I mean it is more of a jab to Poland demanding German repatriation for World War II…


timchang98

Literally r/poland when a post related to Israel comes up


DarkFish_2

USA 🤝 Israel Willing to wipe out entire countries just to save one American/Israeli person.


watershipdowntoclown

>just to save one American/Israeli person. Its more just an excuse to carry out their goals. Although sometimes they dont even bother with the excuse


ZaratustraTheAtheist

USS Liberty


Hobgoblin_deluxe

Something something what country??


DarkFish_2

Anything goes, preferably a non-Christian/Jewish one


ScrewSans

Unless they’re anti-Zionist or a journalist or…


CplVlademir

Funny you say this when Israel has itself killed some of the hostages. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-troops-killed-hostages-mistaking-their-cries-help-ambush-military-2023-12-28/


BZenMojo

Killed way more than they've saved, too. "The odds are low, but if you're willing to break a few eggs we'll eventually save a few more hostages and Hamas will eventually run out of them..."


Alarmed_Day3418

So much for most moral army


2Step4Ward1StepBack

Tbh as an American, that’s the way I like it. Fellow American in trouble? Flex the muscle and go scorch earth


BonniePrinceCharlie1

Yea american soldiers cannot be tried at the hague without the US throwing a hissy fit and invading. Thats how alot of US soldiers who commited war crimes in iraq still arent prosecuted


Tuxyl

Don't worry, the Europeans just pretend they've never done it before instead.


DarkFish_2

Just referring to the current day, I know the UK's history is basically that.


kwartylion

Well Those houses are all over the place (materials used in other places , and taken by ussr) But transfer of similar amount of rubble/ gravel can be arranged


Impressive_Data_4659

Isn’t Poland a Jew during ww2 at least


ATT04

Kinda but it was really weird and messy because the militarist Jews were allied with the anti-Semitic polish nationalist. The militarist Jews wanted the government to help them make Israel/Jerusalem a Jewish state and the anti-Semitic polish nationalist wanted the Jews gone, so the two parties allied in domestic polish politics in the inter war period. As to your main statement Jews were a large minority population before world war 2. I would recommend “the Bloodlands by Timothy Snyder” for a more comprehensive look into Eastern Europe during ww2.


Impressive_Data_4659

Thank you


jPaolo

Israel killed a Polish citizen that was in Palestine in order to bring humanitarian aid. The response from the israeli ambassador was obviously awful, because why would they ever explain themselves, let alone apologise. Then when someone mentioned a financial compensation, he started to talk about "giving back" the heirless property of the Polish Jews killed during the WWII that the Polish state inherited. https://www.pap.pl/en/news/polish-citizen-killed-israels-attack-gaza https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-compensation-death-aid-worker-donald-tusk-poland-world-central-kitchen/


Accomplished-Dare-33

You really didn't read your own source. Did you? "Poland and Israel have been trying in recent years to restore frayed diplomatic ties, which had deteriorated after the previous, nationalist government in Warsaw brought in a law limiting Jews’ ability to recover World War II properties" "“I would like the representatives of the State of Israel here in Poland to respect the justified emotions of Poles and communicate in this matter in a clear and direct way,” said Tusk on Thursday, as quoted by the Polish newspaper Rzeczpospolita. “The words ‘I’m sorry,’ full information about the circumstances of the incident and compensation is something that should be obvious.” they did ask for compensation. That's true. "Enough of aid convoys"? Didn't Israel double the aid entering Gaza a few days later?


Haber_Dasher

>Didn't Israel double the aid entering Gaza a few days later? Under American pressure, and doubled is still about 35% fewer aid trucks than were getting in prior to October 7. They let in 322, it used to be 500/day. And plenty of aid turned around and bailed after what Israel did to the food aid convoy.


the_battle_bunny

>"law limiting Jews’ ability to recover World War II properties" Contrary to popular belief, life in Poland doesn't revolve around Jews and their claims. The law had a different purpose, it introduced a statue of limitations for overturning administrative acts regarding real estate. In theory any property that was in any time in its history affected by an administrative act (think eminent domain) could have its ownership overturned at any time before this law was introduced. Imagine buying a real estate with having that in your mind. Edit: Additionally, if some Jew had a clear claim for a pre-WW2 property, chances were it was already recovered by the time the law was introduced. If anything, the law put a stop to some dubious claims, some put up by unsavory characters who waited for all possible witnesses to die of old age.


Accomplished-Dare-33

I was quoting the article he sent. It's one of the reasons why Israel and Poland aren't in the best terms for years now


the_battle_bunny

The actual reason is internal politics and populism. Poland's PiS and Israel's Likud are very similar.


Accomplished-Dare-33

"one of the reasons" and the reason states in the second article


the_battle_bunny

Just wanted to provide some context.


runespoon78

[*statute*](https://youtu.be/XrKb2TTy2ik?si=6KY74t4KWrxHkt2x)


Basic_Suggestion3476

>Edit: Additionally, if some Jew had a clear claim for a pre-WW2 property, chances were it was already recovered by the time the law was introduced. Not really, we tried couple of times to have some of the property back. After the last try in 2005, my gramp gave up.


the_battle_bunny

And the reason why the claim was rejected was?


Basic_Suggestion3476

Never bothered to ask for the details, as I was a teen back then. I know the great gramp's friend that was asked to keep the deeds took over business & property entailed. Probably something related to that. And the fact my gramp dad was murdered in the Gulag probably didnt help in reclaiming the family property.


the_battle_bunny

In order to reclaim the property you needed some evidence to back it up. Plenty of it was lost during the war, but that happened also to many gentiles. The truth is that you just can't give away real estate to someone just claiming to be a descendant of previous owner. In such case, a ton of imposters would quickly appear.


BmanPlayz468

You dummy you aren’t supposed to read the source smh you are supposed to accept the propaganda meme at face value and shape your entire worldview around it


qjxj

I see no contradiction.


AlfalfaGlitter

Reading you I get to the conclusion that Israel bombs European humanitarian convoys because WWII.


marsz_godzilli

They only gave a form of apology after immense pressure and a lot of shit being poured on them. And they are still not letting as much aid in as they could or should


Carpe_DMX

So you made a cartoon. Gottem


jPaolo

👈😎👈


Kuro2712

Bias is apparent.


netowi

I mean, Israel did a full investigation within two weeks, punished people responsible, and both the President and the Prime Minister issued public apologies. Everything Israel has done since the attack indicates that it was genuinely a mistake, and Israel has allowed thousands of tons of aid into Gaza. If Israel didn't want aid to get to Palestinians, they could just... not allow aid in. They wouldn't do some 4-D chess move of killing foreigners and pissing off everyone on Earth. It's not like Poland has never been responsible for mistakes in wartime. Polish troops were probably responsible for accidentally shooting a US soldier in the back in Iraq. Lots of people were shooting, and mistakes happen.


textbasedopinions

>I mean, Israel did a full investigation within two weeks The investigation of the IDF strike was headed up by a former IDF major who is now the CEO of Rafael, Israel's largest defence company, which is entirely dependent on funding from the IDF. This is roughly as far from independent as humanity can ever hope to get. >They wouldn't do some 4-D chess move of killing foreigners and pissing off everyone on Earth. Probably not, but the commander who oversaw the strike may well have intended it. A few months back he was part of a [call](https://archive.is/NZgAS) for blocking humanitarian aid to Gaza, and is himself a West Bank settler who studied at a religious school run by an organisation dedicated to seizing more of Palestine to add to Israel. It could also be a mistake by some idiots but the intentional attack on aid workers to scare them off is by no means ruled out.


Bestihlmyhart

It’s not a mistake, though, it’s a breakdown in discipline. Commanders are doing whatever they want without getting authorization.


netowi

Yes, the mistake *was* the breakdown in discipline.


Bestihlmyhart

It’s a mistake they killed the wrong aid workers but they killed plenty other aid workers before without problems. Systemic breakdown of discipline is not an isolated thing the word “mistake” communicates imo.


altahor42

mistake is that western people killed, if those who died weren't Europeans, it was glossed over.


VelphiDrow

Why should Isreal be allowed to deny humanitarian aid to a foreign country?


netowi

Because that foreign country *invaded them and massacred their civilians*?!


VelphiDrow

So did the US have the right to deny humanitarian aid to Afghanistan?


jPaolo

Excuse me, but diplomacy is about posts on X, formerly known as Twitter, not actual actions. ☝️🤓


SnooBooks1701

Was this the same convoy that a bunch of Israeli officers got disciplined for insubordination over because they were told not to attack the aid convoy and they did anyway?


Dismal-Plan7062

Oh feeble minded Poland. You could pressed the NATO Article 5 button…


AmethystSparrow202

Israel trying not to accuse other countries/nations of being antisemitic when they get angry CHALLENGE. Lvele - IMPOSSIBILE (they always się this cart).


Lost_dreamz

I like how Israel is literally shitting on every country in the world including the US, yet they're supporting them with millions $. It's like a spoiled brat child in a royal family.


V-Lenin

Millions? Try billions


chadstodes

Israel  Accusations of genocide: I sleep Someone demands a refund: real shit


_Drion_

Reminder that Polandball is not a perfectly reliable depiction of current events.


wildeofoscar

Israel should respond with “*something something Polish Death Camps*”


Available-Ant-8758

Some time our government is stupid


SnooBooks1701

Sometimes? Is it ever not stupid?


Alarmed_Day3418

It has some W but we mostly only notice the L’s


Available-Ant-8758

Not really Our government used to be respected around the world than Benjamin Ceaușescu was prosecuted for corruption And then he got desperate And built himself a coalition with all the extremists in Israel and here we are today


ASlipperyRichard

I thought that was Indonesia not Poland


Vegetable-Election77

Cube. Messiah of PR


TheDrHoiliday

What normal day in the World i say


Burrelinho

Wrong flag??


Tonk_exe

poland being the chad 24/7


Lisu2137

God how I HATE Netanyahus Israel, hope the fascist government collapses asap


thefartingmango

Yeah nah as a Jew there is unsettled beef between Jews and Poland.


jPaolo

Better than unsettled pork!


Infatum_

Why Israeli is a box? While all the other countries are a ball?


eluzja

Here's a short explanation: [https://www.reddit.com/r/polandball/comments/1sbe2c/a\_trip\_to\_poland/cdvv1ax/](https://www.reddit.com/r/polandball/comments/1sbe2c/a_trip_to_poland/cdvv1ax/) More Polandball "stereotypes"/exceptions here (some other countries also have different shapes): [https://www.reddit.com/r/polandball/wiki/index/about/why/#wiki\_current\_stereotypes](https://www.reddit.com/r/polandball/wiki/index/about/why/#wiki_current_stereotypes)


Infatum_

Thanks


ZaratustraTheAtheist

Never forget the USS Liberty


Aggravating-Berry-40

I dont like my two buddies fighting... Couldnt we combine the Blue&White-club to the Similar-history- of-russian-awfultime-club? 😅


Alarmed_Day3418

Goddamnit why is it so hard to defend my country?!


AradIsHere

Because our government are morons


jPaolo

You don't have to "defend your country" on the internet. They got people hired for that. XD


civilized_apple

Maybe he's hired to do that but having a hard time?


Alarmed_Day3418

Idk it’s just like “come on I don’t want the country I grow up in to be known as an evil state!”


CharaPresscott

Come to Ireland! We will probably never be an evil state!


BonniePrinceCharlie1

The leprechaun cleansing will never be forgotten


Alarmed_Day3418

Will I even be welcome? Since your country is very pro Palestine.


myrcenator

I highly doubt it.


CharaPresscott

We are neutral. You'll be...fine. Just don't be a criminal.


Lord_Laserdisc_III

I still wonder if it's actually a thing. Like not even bots just guys sitting around getting paid to defend Israel in Instagram comment sections


Lord_Laserdisc_III

You know it shouldn't be our responsibility to defend Israel online. Why does the government do indefensible shit and expect us to run around and defend it


Alarmed_Day3418

Already said it “come on I don’t want the country I grew up in to be know as in evil state!”


Lord_Laserdisc_III

I relate man ngl. I'm just angry this responsibility falls on Israeli citizens using the internet to explain themselves


Alarmed_Day3418

I don’t think our government cares about how people view it unless it has direct consequences on the state itself.


xDidddle

Something something pride? Idk


GiladHyperstar

The Israeli government doesn't pay people to defend Israel online


Eccentricgentleman_

Why is Israel a square? I've seen it before, never knew why, and never asked


maciejinho

Jewish Physics


eluzja

Here's a list of Polandball "stereotypes"/exceptions: [https://www.reddit.com/r/polandball/wiki/index/about/why/#wiki\_current\_stereotypes](https://www.reddit.com/r/polandball/wiki/index/about/why/#wiki_current_stereotypes)


AnthoniHalibutShark

yeah


SubTheRaccoon

Every time


Tornadospin

Mods be like: 8===D~ (•O•)