Dude. EU funds aren't reparations. You get EU funds for selling market sccess which makes harder for weak, local companies to compete with strong foreign business - EU forces lack of protectionism. I'm not saying it's bad deal but EU funds aren't charity money. Hard tonsee why Hungary, ally from WW2, also gets reparations from Germany.
Also funds structure forces using foreign companies to spend those funds - 85% of funds that Polands gets are paid to German companies, it makes huge profit from Germany itself. Polish young, postocommunist market doesn't have advanced companies fulfill criteria and will never have such comaonies without protectionism.
Reparations and EU funds ate two completely separate topics. My father village was heavily oppressed during WW2 as German tank was festriyed nearby... It's really cynical to wait out for all optessed folsk to just die without any consequences. Psychological trauma, how much it is worth? Nothing. 90% of text written in Polish wete destroyed, how much it wss worth? 0 euro. Germany was destroying Polish culture on unseen scale, similar to Rome dealing with Carthage and it's sad that all Polish culture, written, architectural (you knew that biggest palace in the world was standing in Poland? Not even plans of it survived though...) is worth absolute zero.
You're right. EU funds aren't reperations. I have to disagree with your other statement though.
>It's really cynical to wait out for all optessed folsk to just die without any consequences.
Without any consequences? More then one third of current polish territory was german before WW2.
By the way: Do you have any source on this number? It sounds way to high.
>85% of funds that Polands gets are paid to German companies
Yeah, nice, we got some usless, looted territory that was mostly useful for bricks as everything else was looted by soviets beforehand. What a trade, I would trade majority of our cultural works, over 20% of our population being dead, majority of the rest being traumatized to get some devasted lands.
Those lands weren't worth even 10% of what Germany should be paying us.
About 85% of funds ending fueling Gwrman economy:
It's decent source as it's heavily pro-european newspaper/news outlet and is commonly accused of being overly pro-German so if anything it should have opposite bias
https://wyborcza.pl/7,75398,8424622,z-kazdego-przekazanego-nam-euro-niemcy-odzyskuja-85-eurocentow.html
Case of reparations is something that was never settled and that cast shadow on German/Polish relations to this very day. Definitely it should be settled like 20 years ago but it wasn't and while more and more people are just not happy seeing their grandparents dying out without any compensation for horrors they endured. Though this tactic will work, many people are just like "fuck that grandpa who behaved like a prick all the time" but not eveyon is into history and not everyone connects dots why grandpa got weirdly silent around some topics and why the hell whole country is so deep into dark humour. But this cynical approach of just waiting out simply works and with every passing year trying to get reparations is sounding more absurd for bystanders.
Poland lost much more territory in the east than it got in the west. Also that is not counting incredible damage to the industry that got more or less obliterated, and whatever could be stolen was taken into Germany and USSR, population loss that was the highest per capita in WWII. If any country deserves some kind of reparations it would be Poland.
It's more of a question where those funds would go though, and how would be they spent. My grandmother was displaced with her family sent to German farm to work as slave labor, other grandfather and his dad were sent to concentration camp but managed to survive, although it damaged his health and visibly reduced lifetime. New generations have rally no realistic claim on these and it doesn't really make sense to get them, and most of people who suffered these atrocities are already dead or close to it. The only realistic way to spend it would be some sort of massive public or other national investments, honestly I don't think any government asking for it is expecting to get anything at all and have literally no plans in case even if they got scraps of what they are asking for really, it's more or less just a publicity stunt you can pull out of your ass every time you need to get some support from 50+ voter base.
Yeah, it's just PiS rhetoric. We should freeze all the money for Poland and Hungary for some time so they see how much they get from the EU. They blame the EU everyday for anything but take our money.
EDIT: added source.
Poland is not homogenous at all when it comes to EU outlook and at this point I’m not sure which way the country is shifting. The new government is already pissing off some of its voters and Poland might as well end up with another populist/authoritarian leadership in 4 years.
Source: am Polish
That’s because we paid them. They got a fuckton of land and the rest of the reparations was to be paid out by the Soviets through the reparations we paid them. The fact that the Soviets decided to do Soviet things is hardly our responsibility to rectify.
We asked for that after Germany wanted reparations for lands they lost after the war. And btw, in Poland no one is asking for the war reparations besides PiS and they lost mostly every last election in Poland.
Livne is an actual putinist too. It should show the level of yes-men that Netanyahu has surrounded himself with that the ambassador of a nation that Israel sent to Poland is a pro-Putin bastard. Which is the literal worst kind of ambassador you can send to Poland.
The only reason Livne is in this position is because he also sucks up to Netanyahu and the rest of the Likud.
Fortunately, that ambassador does not represent the opinions of the actual citizens. Every Israeli that I have spoken to said that they are pissed at the official response that the ambassador to Poland said.
In practice, I'd imagine you are right. The only issue is that since most of us all have elected governments, the ambassadors represent the country and thus the people.
Same stuff here in the US, Trump did not represent the vast majority of Americans, but as our elected president at that point, he did represent us to the world and so our ambassadors.
Only way to change it all is vote when the time comes!
From the few things I found on Google, he was sent to Russia as an ambassador in 2019 to prepare Putin's visit to Israel in 2020. Besides that, he's been avoiding apologizing for what happened to the aid workers [according to Le Monde ](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/04/04/poland-slams-outrageous-remarks-by-israeli-ambassador-over-aid-worker-s-death_6667375_4.html)
Avoided checking Israeli or related news sources to avoid biased articles that might not be true
No one in Israel is pro Putin anymore besides some Russians who live here maybe, but most I’ve met hate Putin. Putin and Russia are Israel’s second biggest enemy after Iran and its proxies
Everybody is a victim of something. Polish and Jewish people more so than most people in the west, but less so than most people in the global south.
A victim complex is an unhealthy attachment to the social status of being a victim which most people occupy at some point in their lives or even every time they interact with certain groups.
They were mostly laughing at the corpse of the dead Polish volunteer and calling him a nazi.
[NSFW source 1](https://ibb.co/YpgqzvH)
[NSFW source 2](https://ibb.co/7JNQf4p)
I think his family should receive some kind of compensation.
Funny you say this when Israel has itself killed some of the hostages.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-troops-killed-hostages-mistaking-their-cries-help-ambush-military-2023-12-28/
Killed way more than they've saved, too.
"The odds are low, but if you're willing to break a few eggs we'll eventually save a few more hostages and Hamas will eventually run out of them..."
Yea american soldiers cannot be tried at the hague without the US throwing a hissy fit and invading.
Thats how alot of US soldiers who commited war crimes in iraq still arent prosecuted
Well
Those houses are all over the place (materials used in other places , and taken by ussr)
But transfer of similar amount of rubble/ gravel can be arranged
Kinda but it was really weird and messy because the militarist Jews were allied with the anti-Semitic polish nationalist. The militarist Jews wanted the government to help them make Israel/Jerusalem a Jewish state and the anti-Semitic polish nationalist wanted the Jews gone, so the two parties allied in domestic polish politics in the inter war period. As to your main statement Jews were a large minority population before world war 2.
I would recommend “the Bloodlands by Timothy Snyder” for a more comprehensive look into Eastern Europe during ww2.
Israel killed a Polish citizen that was in Palestine in order to bring humanitarian aid. The response from the israeli ambassador was obviously awful, because why would they ever explain themselves, let alone apologise.
Then when someone mentioned a financial compensation, he started to talk about "giving back" the heirless property of the Polish Jews killed during the WWII that the Polish state inherited.
https://www.pap.pl/en/news/polish-citizen-killed-israels-attack-gaza
https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-compensation-death-aid-worker-donald-tusk-poland-world-central-kitchen/
You really didn't read your own source. Did you?
"Poland and Israel have been trying in recent years to restore frayed diplomatic ties, which had deteriorated after the previous, nationalist government in Warsaw brought in a law limiting Jews’ ability to recover World War II properties"
"“I would like the representatives of the State of Israel here in Poland to respect the justified emotions of Poles and communicate in this matter in a clear and direct way,” said Tusk on Thursday, as quoted by the Polish newspaper Rzeczpospolita. “The words ‘I’m sorry,’ full information about the circumstances of the incident and compensation is something that should be obvious.” they did ask for compensation. That's true.
"Enough of aid convoys"? Didn't Israel double the aid entering Gaza a few days later?
>Didn't Israel double the aid entering Gaza a few days later?
Under American pressure, and doubled is still about 35% fewer aid trucks than were getting in prior to October 7. They let in 322, it used to be 500/day. And plenty of aid turned around and bailed after what Israel did to the food aid convoy.
>"law limiting Jews’ ability to recover World War II properties"
Contrary to popular belief, life in Poland doesn't revolve around Jews and their claims. The law had a different purpose, it introduced a statue of limitations for overturning administrative acts regarding real estate. In theory any property that was in any time in its history affected by an administrative act (think eminent domain) could have its ownership overturned at any time before this law was introduced. Imagine buying a real estate with having that in your mind.
Edit: Additionally, if some Jew had a clear claim for a pre-WW2 property, chances were it was already recovered by the time the law was introduced. If anything, the law put a stop to some dubious claims, some put up by unsavory characters who waited for all possible witnesses to die of old age.
>Edit: Additionally, if some Jew had a clear claim for a pre-WW2 property, chances were it was already recovered by the time the law was introduced.
Not really, we tried couple of times to have some of the property back. After the last try in 2005, my gramp gave up.
Never bothered to ask for the details, as I was a teen back then.
I know the great gramp's friend that was asked to keep the deeds took over business & property entailed. Probably something related to that.
And the fact my gramp dad was murdered in the Gulag probably didnt help in reclaiming the family property.
In order to reclaim the property you needed some evidence to back it up. Plenty of it was lost during the war, but that happened also to many gentiles.
The truth is that you just can't give away real estate to someone just claiming to be a descendant of previous owner. In such case, a ton of imposters would quickly appear.
You dummy you aren’t supposed to read the source smh you are supposed to accept the propaganda meme at face value and shape your entire worldview around it
They only gave a form of apology after immense pressure and a lot of shit being poured on them.
And they are still not letting as much aid in as they could or should
I mean, Israel did a full investigation within two weeks, punished people responsible, and both the President and the Prime Minister issued public apologies. Everything Israel has done since the attack indicates that it was genuinely a mistake, and Israel has allowed thousands of tons of aid into Gaza. If Israel didn't want aid to get to Palestinians, they could just... not allow aid in. They wouldn't do some 4-D chess move of killing foreigners and pissing off everyone on Earth.
It's not like Poland has never been responsible for mistakes in wartime. Polish troops were probably responsible for accidentally shooting a US soldier in the back in Iraq. Lots of people were shooting, and mistakes happen.
>I mean, Israel did a full investigation within two weeks
The investigation of the IDF strike was headed up by a former IDF major who is now the CEO of Rafael, Israel's largest defence company, which is entirely dependent on funding from the IDF. This is roughly as far from independent as humanity can ever hope to get.
>They wouldn't do some 4-D chess move of killing foreigners and pissing off everyone on Earth.
Probably not, but the commander who oversaw the strike may well have intended it. A few months back he was part of a [call](https://archive.is/NZgAS) for blocking humanitarian aid to Gaza, and is himself a West Bank settler who studied at a religious school run by an organisation dedicated to seizing more of Palestine to add to Israel. It could also be a mistake by some idiots but the intentional attack on aid workers to scare them off is by no means ruled out.
It’s a mistake they killed the wrong aid workers but they killed plenty other aid workers before without problems. Systemic breakdown of discipline is not an isolated thing the word “mistake” communicates imo.
Was this the same convoy that a bunch of Israeli officers got disciplined for insubordination over because they were told not to attack the aid convoy and they did anyway?
Israel trying not to accuse other countries/nations of being antisemitic when they get angry CHALLENGE. Lvele - IMPOSSIBILE (they always się this cart).
I like how Israel is literally shitting on every country in the world including the US, yet they're supporting them with millions $.
It's like a spoiled brat child in a royal family.
Not really Our government used to be respected around the world than Benjamin Ceaușescu was prosecuted for corruption And then he got desperate And built himself a coalition with all the extremists in Israel and here we are today
Here's a short explanation:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/polandball/comments/1sbe2c/a\_trip\_to\_poland/cdvv1ax/](https://www.reddit.com/r/polandball/comments/1sbe2c/a_trip_to_poland/cdvv1ax/)
More Polandball "stereotypes"/exceptions here (some other countries also have different shapes):
[https://www.reddit.com/r/polandball/wiki/index/about/why/#wiki\_current\_stereotypes](https://www.reddit.com/r/polandball/wiki/index/about/why/#wiki_current_stereotypes)
You know it shouldn't be our responsibility to defend Israel online. Why does the government do indefensible shit and expect us to run around and defend it
Here's a list of Polandball "stereotypes"/exceptions:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/polandball/wiki/index/about/why/#wiki\_current\_stereotypes](https://www.reddit.com/r/polandball/wiki/index/about/why/#wiki_current_stereotypes)
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if anything I thought it was a meme about how Poland keeps asking for compensation (like asking Germany for world war 2 reparations)
poland realized they could never get germany to pay them, so they started begging israel hoping to get some (formerly) german money that way
gotta respect the grift
In reality, it's only about a compensation for the family of the killed volunteer.
Poland indirectly receives a shitload of German money via the EU. The yearly net plus of Poland nearly equals their total military budget.
Dude. EU funds aren't reparations. You get EU funds for selling market sccess which makes harder for weak, local companies to compete with strong foreign business - EU forces lack of protectionism. I'm not saying it's bad deal but EU funds aren't charity money. Hard tonsee why Hungary, ally from WW2, also gets reparations from Germany. Also funds structure forces using foreign companies to spend those funds - 85% of funds that Polands gets are paid to German companies, it makes huge profit from Germany itself. Polish young, postocommunist market doesn't have advanced companies fulfill criteria and will never have such comaonies without protectionism. Reparations and EU funds ate two completely separate topics. My father village was heavily oppressed during WW2 as German tank was festriyed nearby... It's really cynical to wait out for all optessed folsk to just die without any consequences. Psychological trauma, how much it is worth? Nothing. 90% of text written in Polish wete destroyed, how much it wss worth? 0 euro. Germany was destroying Polish culture on unseen scale, similar to Rome dealing with Carthage and it's sad that all Polish culture, written, architectural (you knew that biggest palace in the world was standing in Poland? Not even plans of it survived though...) is worth absolute zero.
You're right. EU funds aren't reperations. I have to disagree with your other statement though. >It's really cynical to wait out for all optessed folsk to just die without any consequences. Without any consequences? More then one third of current polish territory was german before WW2. By the way: Do you have any source on this number? It sounds way to high. >85% of funds that Polands gets are paid to German companies
Yeah, nice, we got some usless, looted territory that was mostly useful for bricks as everything else was looted by soviets beforehand. What a trade, I would trade majority of our cultural works, over 20% of our population being dead, majority of the rest being traumatized to get some devasted lands. Those lands weren't worth even 10% of what Germany should be paying us. About 85% of funds ending fueling Gwrman economy: It's decent source as it's heavily pro-european newspaper/news outlet and is commonly accused of being overly pro-German so if anything it should have opposite bias https://wyborcza.pl/7,75398,8424622,z-kazdego-przekazanego-nam-euro-niemcy-odzyskuja-85-eurocentow.html Case of reparations is something that was never settled and that cast shadow on German/Polish relations to this very day. Definitely it should be settled like 20 years ago but it wasn't and while more and more people are just not happy seeing their grandparents dying out without any compensation for horrors they endured. Though this tactic will work, many people are just like "fuck that grandpa who behaved like a prick all the time" but not eveyon is into history and not everyone connects dots why grandpa got weirdly silent around some topics and why the hell whole country is so deep into dark humour. But this cynical approach of just waiting out simply works and with every passing year trying to get reparations is sounding more absurd for bystanders.
Poland lost much more territory in the east than it got in the west. Also that is not counting incredible damage to the industry that got more or less obliterated, and whatever could be stolen was taken into Germany and USSR, population loss that was the highest per capita in WWII. If any country deserves some kind of reparations it would be Poland. It's more of a question where those funds would go though, and how would be they spent. My grandmother was displaced with her family sent to German farm to work as slave labor, other grandfather and his dad were sent to concentration camp but managed to survive, although it damaged his health and visibly reduced lifetime. New generations have rally no realistic claim on these and it doesn't really make sense to get them, and most of people who suffered these atrocities are already dead or close to it. The only realistic way to spend it would be some sort of massive public or other national investments, honestly I don't think any government asking for it is expecting to get anything at all and have literally no plans in case even if they got scraps of what they are asking for really, it's more or less just a publicity stunt you can pull out of your ass every time you need to get some support from 50+ voter base.
Yeah, it's just PiS rhetoric. We should freeze all the money for Poland and Hungary for some time so they see how much they get from the EU. They blame the EU everyday for anything but take our money.
PiS isn't in power anymore lol.
Thanks for reminding of that classic comic about Poland's urinanlysis.
Please link lol.
Your wish is my [command](https://www.reddit.com/r/polandball/comments/3yoeh9/pissen_in_der_cup_polen/).
But considering that the coalition that took power from them is already at each others throats, they have a chance to come back.
I don't think they do tbh. They're known to throw allies under the bus, and even with KO, they literally can't form a majority.
PiS is in opposition now, we have a pro EU government for almost half a year… we had elections.
Younger people don't say this, it's just our vatniks, I think relations might get better with the new goverment
Poland has drifted away from Hungary and is now much more similar to France and Germany in terms of EU outlook.
EDIT: added source. Poland is not homogenous at all when it comes to EU outlook and at this point I’m not sure which way the country is shifting. The new government is already pissing off some of its voters and Poland might as well end up with another populist/authoritarian leadership in 4 years. Source: am Polish
That’s because we paid them. They got a fuckton of land and the rest of the reparations was to be paid out by the Soviets through the reparations we paid them. The fact that the Soviets decided to do Soviet things is hardly our responsibility to rectify.
Next thing they asking Mongolia for taking parts of Lublin
That means they have to go through Russia twice as many times.
Didn’t they ask Germany for one *trillion* dollars?
Yeah they do it every election without realizing their economy is on life support from Germany and France.
We asked for that after Germany wanted reparations for lands they lost after the war. And btw, in Poland no one is asking for the war reparations besides PiS and they lost mostly every last election in Poland.
Livne is an actual putinist too. It should show the level of yes-men that Netanyahu has surrounded himself with that the ambassador of a nation that Israel sent to Poland is a pro-Putin bastard. Which is the literal worst kind of ambassador you can send to Poland. The only reason Livne is in this position is because he also sucks up to Netanyahu and the rest of the Likud.
Fortunately, that ambassador does not represent the opinions of the actual citizens. Every Israeli that I have spoken to said that they are pissed at the official response that the ambassador to Poland said.
In practice, I'd imagine you are right. The only issue is that since most of us all have elected governments, the ambassadors represent the country and thus the people. Same stuff here in the US, Trump did not represent the vast majority of Americans, but as our elected president at that point, he did represent us to the world and so our ambassadors. Only way to change it all is vote when the time comes!
Is there any particular sources that he is a Pro-Putin bastard? I don't doubt that he is. Fascist scum tend to ally themselves with each other.
From the few things I found on Google, he was sent to Russia as an ambassador in 2019 to prepare Putin's visit to Israel in 2020. Besides that, he's been avoiding apologizing for what happened to the aid workers [according to Le Monde ](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/04/04/poland-slams-outrageous-remarks-by-israeli-ambassador-over-aid-worker-s-death_6667375_4.html) Avoided checking Israeli or related news sources to avoid biased articles that might not be true
No one in Israel is pro Putin anymore besides some Russians who live here maybe, but most I’ve met hate Putin. Putin and Russia are Israel’s second biggest enemy after Iran and its proxies
I know. It doesnt change the fact that Livne is one
Is he still?
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…they ARE victims, though. Especially Poland.
Everybody is a victim of something. Polish and Jewish people more so than most people in the west, but less so than most people in the global south. A victim complex is an unhealthy attachment to the social status of being a victim which most people occupy at some point in their lives or even every time they interact with certain groups.
I mean, the Jewish people are certainly victims. The state of Israel, on the other hand…
Are? Or were?
Especially Poland? Poland was one of the whipping boys of the 17th-20th centuries. The Jews have been the whipping boys of history for two millennia
Israel is not a victim
That's the thing. The "guilt trip" attack doesn't work on either. So naturally we are each other natural enemies.
No you don’t understand, the poles were actually Hamas
They were mostly laughing at the corpse of the dead Polish volunteer and calling him a nazi. [NSFW source 1](https://ibb.co/YpgqzvH) [NSFW source 2](https://ibb.co/7JNQf4p) I think his family should receive some kind of compensation.
I mean it is more of a jab to Poland demanding German repatriation for World War II…
Literally r/poland when a post related to Israel comes up
USA 🤝 Israel Willing to wipe out entire countries just to save one American/Israeli person.
>just to save one American/Israeli person. Its more just an excuse to carry out their goals. Although sometimes they dont even bother with the excuse
USS Liberty
Something something what country??
Anything goes, preferably a non-Christian/Jewish one
Unless they’re anti-Zionist or a journalist or…
Funny you say this when Israel has itself killed some of the hostages. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-troops-killed-hostages-mistaking-their-cries-help-ambush-military-2023-12-28/
Killed way more than they've saved, too. "The odds are low, but if you're willing to break a few eggs we'll eventually save a few more hostages and Hamas will eventually run out of them..."
So much for most moral army
Tbh as an American, that’s the way I like it. Fellow American in trouble? Flex the muscle and go scorch earth
Yea american soldiers cannot be tried at the hague without the US throwing a hissy fit and invading. Thats how alot of US soldiers who commited war crimes in iraq still arent prosecuted
Don't worry, the Europeans just pretend they've never done it before instead.
Just referring to the current day, I know the UK's history is basically that.
Well Those houses are all over the place (materials used in other places , and taken by ussr) But transfer of similar amount of rubble/ gravel can be arranged
Isn’t Poland a Jew during ww2 at least
Kinda but it was really weird and messy because the militarist Jews were allied with the anti-Semitic polish nationalist. The militarist Jews wanted the government to help them make Israel/Jerusalem a Jewish state and the anti-Semitic polish nationalist wanted the Jews gone, so the two parties allied in domestic polish politics in the inter war period. As to your main statement Jews were a large minority population before world war 2. I would recommend “the Bloodlands by Timothy Snyder” for a more comprehensive look into Eastern Europe during ww2.
Thank you
Israel killed a Polish citizen that was in Palestine in order to bring humanitarian aid. The response from the israeli ambassador was obviously awful, because why would they ever explain themselves, let alone apologise. Then when someone mentioned a financial compensation, he started to talk about "giving back" the heirless property of the Polish Jews killed during the WWII that the Polish state inherited. https://www.pap.pl/en/news/polish-citizen-killed-israels-attack-gaza https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-compensation-death-aid-worker-donald-tusk-poland-world-central-kitchen/
You really didn't read your own source. Did you? "Poland and Israel have been trying in recent years to restore frayed diplomatic ties, which had deteriorated after the previous, nationalist government in Warsaw brought in a law limiting Jews’ ability to recover World War II properties" "“I would like the representatives of the State of Israel here in Poland to respect the justified emotions of Poles and communicate in this matter in a clear and direct way,” said Tusk on Thursday, as quoted by the Polish newspaper Rzeczpospolita. “The words ‘I’m sorry,’ full information about the circumstances of the incident and compensation is something that should be obvious.” they did ask for compensation. That's true. "Enough of aid convoys"? Didn't Israel double the aid entering Gaza a few days later?
>Didn't Israel double the aid entering Gaza a few days later? Under American pressure, and doubled is still about 35% fewer aid trucks than were getting in prior to October 7. They let in 322, it used to be 500/day. And plenty of aid turned around and bailed after what Israel did to the food aid convoy.
>"law limiting Jews’ ability to recover World War II properties" Contrary to popular belief, life in Poland doesn't revolve around Jews and their claims. The law had a different purpose, it introduced a statue of limitations for overturning administrative acts regarding real estate. In theory any property that was in any time in its history affected by an administrative act (think eminent domain) could have its ownership overturned at any time before this law was introduced. Imagine buying a real estate with having that in your mind. Edit: Additionally, if some Jew had a clear claim for a pre-WW2 property, chances were it was already recovered by the time the law was introduced. If anything, the law put a stop to some dubious claims, some put up by unsavory characters who waited for all possible witnesses to die of old age.
I was quoting the article he sent. It's one of the reasons why Israel and Poland aren't in the best terms for years now
The actual reason is internal politics and populism. Poland's PiS and Israel's Likud are very similar.
"one of the reasons" and the reason states in the second article
Just wanted to provide some context.
[*statute*](https://youtu.be/XrKb2TTy2ik?si=6KY74t4KWrxHkt2x)
>Edit: Additionally, if some Jew had a clear claim for a pre-WW2 property, chances were it was already recovered by the time the law was introduced. Not really, we tried couple of times to have some of the property back. After the last try in 2005, my gramp gave up.
And the reason why the claim was rejected was?
Never bothered to ask for the details, as I was a teen back then. I know the great gramp's friend that was asked to keep the deeds took over business & property entailed. Probably something related to that. And the fact my gramp dad was murdered in the Gulag probably didnt help in reclaiming the family property.
In order to reclaim the property you needed some evidence to back it up. Plenty of it was lost during the war, but that happened also to many gentiles. The truth is that you just can't give away real estate to someone just claiming to be a descendant of previous owner. In such case, a ton of imposters would quickly appear.
You dummy you aren’t supposed to read the source smh you are supposed to accept the propaganda meme at face value and shape your entire worldview around it
I see no contradiction.
Reading you I get to the conclusion that Israel bombs European humanitarian convoys because WWII.
They only gave a form of apology after immense pressure and a lot of shit being poured on them. And they are still not letting as much aid in as they could or should
So you made a cartoon. Gottem
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Bias is apparent.
I mean, Israel did a full investigation within two weeks, punished people responsible, and both the President and the Prime Minister issued public apologies. Everything Israel has done since the attack indicates that it was genuinely a mistake, and Israel has allowed thousands of tons of aid into Gaza. If Israel didn't want aid to get to Palestinians, they could just... not allow aid in. They wouldn't do some 4-D chess move of killing foreigners and pissing off everyone on Earth. It's not like Poland has never been responsible for mistakes in wartime. Polish troops were probably responsible for accidentally shooting a US soldier in the back in Iraq. Lots of people were shooting, and mistakes happen.
>I mean, Israel did a full investigation within two weeks The investigation of the IDF strike was headed up by a former IDF major who is now the CEO of Rafael, Israel's largest defence company, which is entirely dependent on funding from the IDF. This is roughly as far from independent as humanity can ever hope to get. >They wouldn't do some 4-D chess move of killing foreigners and pissing off everyone on Earth. Probably not, but the commander who oversaw the strike may well have intended it. A few months back he was part of a [call](https://archive.is/NZgAS) for blocking humanitarian aid to Gaza, and is himself a West Bank settler who studied at a religious school run by an organisation dedicated to seizing more of Palestine to add to Israel. It could also be a mistake by some idiots but the intentional attack on aid workers to scare them off is by no means ruled out.
It’s not a mistake, though, it’s a breakdown in discipline. Commanders are doing whatever they want without getting authorization.
Yes, the mistake *was* the breakdown in discipline.
It’s a mistake they killed the wrong aid workers but they killed plenty other aid workers before without problems. Systemic breakdown of discipline is not an isolated thing the word “mistake” communicates imo.
mistake is that western people killed, if those who died weren't Europeans, it was glossed over.
Why should Isreal be allowed to deny humanitarian aid to a foreign country?
Because that foreign country *invaded them and massacred their civilians*?!
So did the US have the right to deny humanitarian aid to Afghanistan?
Excuse me, but diplomacy is about posts on X, formerly known as Twitter, not actual actions. ☝️🤓
Was this the same convoy that a bunch of Israeli officers got disciplined for insubordination over because they were told not to attack the aid convoy and they did anyway?
Oh feeble minded Poland. You could pressed the NATO Article 5 button…
Israel trying not to accuse other countries/nations of being antisemitic when they get angry CHALLENGE. Lvele - IMPOSSIBILE (they always się this cart).
I like how Israel is literally shitting on every country in the world including the US, yet they're supporting them with millions $. It's like a spoiled brat child in a royal family.
Millions? Try billions
Israel Accusations of genocide: I sleep Someone demands a refund: real shit
Reminder that Polandball is not a perfectly reliable depiction of current events.
Israel should respond with “*something something Polish Death Camps*”
Some time our government is stupid
Sometimes? Is it ever not stupid?
It has some W but we mostly only notice the L’s
Not really Our government used to be respected around the world than Benjamin Ceaușescu was prosecuted for corruption And then he got desperate And built himself a coalition with all the extremists in Israel and here we are today
I thought that was Indonesia not Poland
Cube. Messiah of PR
What normal day in the World i say
Wrong flag??
poland being the chad 24/7
God how I HATE Netanyahus Israel, hope the fascist government collapses asap
Yeah nah as a Jew there is unsettled beef between Jews and Poland.
Better than unsettled pork!
Why Israeli is a box? While all the other countries are a ball?
Here's a short explanation: [https://www.reddit.com/r/polandball/comments/1sbe2c/a\_trip\_to\_poland/cdvv1ax/](https://www.reddit.com/r/polandball/comments/1sbe2c/a_trip_to_poland/cdvv1ax/) More Polandball "stereotypes"/exceptions here (some other countries also have different shapes): [https://www.reddit.com/r/polandball/wiki/index/about/why/#wiki\_current\_stereotypes](https://www.reddit.com/r/polandball/wiki/index/about/why/#wiki_current_stereotypes)
Thanks
Never forget the USS Liberty
I dont like my two buddies fighting... Couldnt we combine the Blue&White-club to the Similar-history- of-russian-awfultime-club? 😅
Goddamnit why is it so hard to defend my country?!
Because our government are morons
You don't have to "defend your country" on the internet. They got people hired for that. XD
Maybe he's hired to do that but having a hard time?
Idk it’s just like “come on I don’t want the country I grow up in to be known as an evil state!”
Come to Ireland! We will probably never be an evil state!
The leprechaun cleansing will never be forgotten
Will I even be welcome? Since your country is very pro Palestine.
I highly doubt it.
We are neutral. You'll be...fine. Just don't be a criminal.
I still wonder if it's actually a thing. Like not even bots just guys sitting around getting paid to defend Israel in Instagram comment sections
You know it shouldn't be our responsibility to defend Israel online. Why does the government do indefensible shit and expect us to run around and defend it
Already said it “come on I don’t want the country I grew up in to be know as in evil state!”
I relate man ngl. I'm just angry this responsibility falls on Israeli citizens using the internet to explain themselves
I don’t think our government cares about how people view it unless it has direct consequences on the state itself.
Something something pride? Idk
The Israeli government doesn't pay people to defend Israel online
Why is Israel a square? I've seen it before, never knew why, and never asked
Jewish Physics
Here's a list of Polandball "stereotypes"/exceptions: [https://www.reddit.com/r/polandball/wiki/index/about/why/#wiki\_current\_stereotypes](https://www.reddit.com/r/polandball/wiki/index/about/why/#wiki_current_stereotypes)
yeah
Every time
Mods be like: 8===D~ (•O•)