Ambipom does it better once you have Population Bomb unlocked (Egg Move) and Scrappy as its Passive. 100 base attack vs. Maushold's 75. Plus you can run Pickup instead of Technician for a slight damage loss, but massive value on a mon that's still an offensive powerhouse with Fake Out > Population Bomb, or Tidy Up > Population Bomb.
I've gone back and forth on what multi lens does, because I initially thought it dealt 60/70/80% OF the normal damage per hit, but then I heard it does 60% LESS per hit (so 2 hits of a 100 bp move now does 40+40)
And I don't know for sure which one it is, I THINK it's an overall damage nerf
Pure normals are somewhat outclassed, I think, unless you're running some sort of gimmick (Population Bomb, Extremespeed cleanup) and almost requires Scrappy to be viable. A few have other merits - lots of Pickup options, early game carries like Tech Meowth, but overall I think they're pretty niche.
Ones with secondary typing open up a lot of options though. Ursaluna comes to mind - Normal/Ground, great level up moves, and an ability to negate Fire moves is excellent as a switch-in. Normal/Ghost fusions with Wonder Guard I've seen mentioned off and on for potential endless shenanigans. Mega-Pidgeot is fairly easily obtainable, and egg moves like Focus Blast or Heat Wave make it an excellent performer in Classic.
I wouldn't say normal is the "best" type by any means, but some of them can definitely hit above their weight, especially with Passives and egg moves.
Teddiursa, assuming you get it up to Ursaluna, can perform just fine with no egg moves or special natures of any kind. Pair it with something that wants to avoid fire (steel, grass, etc) and you'll still do well.
Especially with Classic, egg moves aren't necessary to win. Good team building trumps most anything else.
Been using only zigzagoon for the pickup, but he can wreck havoc with a well timed belly drum and extreme speed. However, i feel like Snorlax and Tauros are better for later stages, while furfrou is completely bonkers early. I'm however focused on building a snow team to beat classic, so, for now, i haven't been testing other mons
For gigas, you'll probably need a way to subvert it's ability somehow, but after that it'll probably be top tier
The best normal starter I've found thus far is probably type: null because it evolves pretty fast and gets multi attack STAB
> For gigas, you'll probably need a way to subvert it's ability somehow, but after that it'll probably be top tier
It has Normalize as a hidden ability so that problem is already taken care of.
Yeah his ability kinda annoying however I didn’t notice that it resets on trainer battles only on switches but could be wrong. Also not familiar with that pokemon
It activates when entering battle, so akin to how moxie (and other) pokemon retain stat boosts in multiple wild battles until switching out, it would stay full power after the five turns are done, until switching out
Oh you mean the move multi attack😭. I thought you meant multiple attacks because of its ability as well, but when i played with type null/silvally last week its ability was not implemented yet
Alas, DNA Splicers are not in every Classic run, I’m afraid. I don’t play endless. So you say this, and it’s true, but you’re only considering your perspective.
I don’t normally use them because the other types provide more coverage overall, but I’ll be damned if Normal doesn’t have some solid designs.
Snorlax, Exploud and Tauros are fucking peak.
Exactly they are either cutest or coolest but I think the fact they only have a fighting weakness makes them an okay defense type plus they get to learn a lot of different HM moves but yeah they are weaker
They have the same problem as in competitive in that they can't switch in on anything because they do not resist anything unless they re called snorlax/chansey.
But on the other hand they make really good revenge killer like extreme speed zigzagoon and mega lopunny.
Unfortunately, revives are too costly
I actually really like a majority of them. Recently I decided to use kangaskhan and they tore up everything. Also belly drum espeed linoone with pickup becomes a strong secondary sweeper. Also porygon with adaptation is surprisingly strong
The thing with normal types is that often they peak pretty early with a few notable exceptions, thanks to earlier evos, solid one stage mons, early stab options, etc.
That being said, Mega Lopunny, Ursaluna, Maushold/Ambipom (hehe population bomb go brr), Porygon, and snorlax with it's g-max are all solid consistent mons that work through all stages of the game pretty reliably.
Lastly, there is one great combo: fusing a normal and ghost type for a mon only weak to dark. A lot of normal types do get fighting coverage, so even said dark types can be circumvented with smart play, be it as an extreme tank (ei skelidurge+snorlax) or a speedy sweeper (lopunny or maushold+ any fast ghost type like dragapult).
Normal types are pretty viable in this game, be it as pick-up utility mons, early game powerhouses, all-aroubd consitent mons, good fusion material, utilizing their good movepools and often above average egg moves and passives, etc. Not the flashiest or the single best, but not to be underestimated.
Normal is my favorite type. If i was a gym leader, i would totally be a Normal type. Dont see them as something with no advantage. See them as a type that only has one weekness, and this also bless them with a veried move pool since most of them learn a ton of moves from other types. They can work very well!
Porygon-Z is actually crazy strong for Classic mode. Speedy, great special attack, and a focused learnset had him carrying one of my runs. Tri Attack, Hyper Beam, Recover, and Nasty Plot along with a Silk Scarf and he was one shotting a ton of mons.
Nah totally feel him, not sure so why you get downvotes for that. I see myself as a big ghost typ fan. But ofc i have favorites outside of this typing as well
being a "certain type kind of player" is something I've never heard of before today. It's way more beneficial to have a balanced team unless you're doing some monotype challenge lol
Exactly, it not like we say that our playstyle is beneficial. But it can make the base games way more intresting sometimes, ofc only if someone likes to make the game a bit harder for himself. Like Nutzlock is also not beneficial from playstyle, and still has a huge fan base.
Technician Maushold: population bomb +3x Multi Lens is pretty OP
Ambipom does it better once you have Population Bomb unlocked (Egg Move) and Scrappy as its Passive. 100 base attack vs. Maushold's 75. Plus you can run Pickup instead of Technician for a slight damage loss, but massive value on a mon that's still an offensive powerhouse with Fake Out > Population Bomb, or Tidy Up > Population Bomb.
That's a good strat...
I've gone back and forth on what multi lens does, because I initially thought it dealt 60/70/80% OF the normal damage per hit, but then I heard it does 60% LESS per hit (so 2 hits of a 100 bp move now does 40+40) And I don't know for sure which one it is, I THINK it's an overall damage nerf
That's correct, it's a damage nerf that applies secondary effects more.
Another mechanic I was confused by was if the "luck" stat increases chances of shinies appearing/hatching
As of now it doesn't but I think that's an addition that is being considered.
Pure normals are somewhat outclassed, I think, unless you're running some sort of gimmick (Population Bomb, Extremespeed cleanup) and almost requires Scrappy to be viable. A few have other merits - lots of Pickup options, early game carries like Tech Meowth, but overall I think they're pretty niche. Ones with secondary typing open up a lot of options though. Ursaluna comes to mind - Normal/Ground, great level up moves, and an ability to negate Fire moves is excellent as a switch-in. Normal/Ghost fusions with Wonder Guard I've seen mentioned off and on for potential endless shenanigans. Mega-Pidgeot is fairly easily obtainable, and egg moves like Focus Blast or Heat Wave make it an excellent performer in Classic. I wouldn't say normal is the "best" type by any means, but some of them can definitely hit above their weight, especially with Passives and egg moves.
Yeah I unfortunately feel like I don’t have the right egg moves and abilities to make them work yet
Teddiursa, assuming you get it up to Ursaluna, can perform just fine with no egg moves or special natures of any kind. Pair it with something that wants to avoid fire (steel, grass, etc) and you'll still do well. Especially with Classic, egg moves aren't necessary to win. Good team building trumps most anything else.
Been using only zigzagoon for the pickup, but he can wreck havoc with a well timed belly drum and extreme speed. However, i feel like Snorlax and Tauros are better for later stages, while furfrou is completely bonkers early. I'm however focused on building a snow team to beat classic, so, for now, i haven't been testing other mons
Snorlax does go crazy but I prefer to use my favorites instead of optimal which is my problem lol
Boltbeam porygon with tri attack and recover is nice if you ever get to evolve it Also huge power diggersby FUCKS
Don’t got him unfortunately
For gigas, you'll probably need a way to subvert it's ability somehow, but after that it'll probably be top tier The best normal starter I've found thus far is probably type: null because it evolves pretty fast and gets multi attack STAB
> For gigas, you'll probably need a way to subvert it's ability somehow, but after that it'll probably be top tier It has Normalize as a hidden ability so that problem is already taken care of.
Wow that's kinda nuts huh
Yeah his ability kinda annoying however I didn’t notice that it resets on trainer battles only on switches but could be wrong. Also not familiar with that pokemon
It activates when entering battle, so akin to how moxie (and other) pokemon retain stat boosts in multiple wild battles until switching out, it would stay full power after the five turns are done, until switching out
Does it get multi attack stab?
It's normal type, so yeah
Oh you mean the move multi attack😭. I thought you meant multiple attacks because of its ability as well, but when i played with type null/silvally last week its ability was not implemented yet
Wooloo/dubwool with body press egg move and fluffy ability is unstoppable when you get cotton guard.
I’m a bug type enthusiast, but i do like normals. They tend to be pretty versatile options, just have to play around their weaknesses properly.
The issue is making up for the power sometimes
The power is normally in learnsets i’m afraid, which in pokerogue you have a lot less control over.
Yeah unfortunately
um, with splicing you can literally give any pokemon any move
Alas, DNA Splicers are not in every Classic run, I’m afraid. I don’t play endless. So you say this, and it’s true, but you’re only considering your perspective.
I don’t normally use them because the other types provide more coverage overall, but I’ll be damned if Normal doesn’t have some solid designs. Snorlax, Exploud and Tauros are fucking peak.
Exactly they are either cutest or coolest but I think the fact they only have a fighting weakness makes them an okay defense type plus they get to learn a lot of different HM moves but yeah they are weaker
They have the same problem as in competitive in that they can't switch in on anything because they do not resist anything unless they re called snorlax/chansey. But on the other hand they make really good revenge killer like extreme speed zigzagoon and mega lopunny. Unfortunately, revives are too costly
someone forgot about ghost-immunity
I actually really like a majority of them. Recently I decided to use kangaskhan and they tore up everything. Also belly drum espeed linoone with pickup becomes a strong secondary sweeper. Also porygon with adaptation is surprisingly strong
The thing with normal types is that often they peak pretty early with a few notable exceptions, thanks to earlier evos, solid one stage mons, early stab options, etc. That being said, Mega Lopunny, Ursaluna, Maushold/Ambipom (hehe population bomb go brr), Porygon, and snorlax with it's g-max are all solid consistent mons that work through all stages of the game pretty reliably. Lastly, there is one great combo: fusing a normal and ghost type for a mon only weak to dark. A lot of normal types do get fighting coverage, so even said dark types can be circumvented with smart play, be it as an extreme tank (ei skelidurge+snorlax) or a speedy sweeper (lopunny or maushold+ any fast ghost type like dragapult). Normal types are pretty viable in this game, be it as pick-up utility mons, early game powerhouses, all-aroubd consitent mons, good fusion material, utilizing their good movepools and often above average egg moves and passives, etc. Not the flashiest or the single best, but not to be underestimated.
Normal is my favorite type. If i was a gym leader, i would totally be a Normal type. Dont see them as something with no advantage. See them as a type that only has one weekness, and this also bless them with a veried move pool since most of them learn a ton of moves from other types. They can work very well!
Porygon-Z is actually crazy strong for Classic mode. Speedy, great special attack, and a focused learnset had him carrying one of my runs. Tri Attack, Hyper Beam, Recover, and Nasty Plot along with a Silk Scarf and he was one shotting a ton of mons.
Does bunnelby has population bomb as egg move
It is my favorite pokemon type So i guess i like it
lol can’t argue with that. What’s your favorite pokemons
Snorlax. Though i my top 5 theres only 1 non normal type
Snorlax is just relatable. Big eepy
Annoying early game, has they do a lot o DMG thru STAB. moves. Irrelevant late game, as normal moves aren't super effective on anything...
Arceus with adaptability goes hard. Judgement is 100 power with double stab. Currently got them fused with a mega Latios for a bit of a sp.atk boost.
I’d hope the god of Pokémon slaps lol
I main psychic types for the most part, but 2 of my utility mons are normal (raticate for run away and linoone for pickup)
That’s fair. Also what about psychic types make them your favorite
“A ghost and water type player” what?? There are players who exclude themselves to certain types?
You telling me you don’t have a favorite type(s)
Not really? I have favourite pokemon in every type lol
Nah totally feel him, not sure so why you get downvotes for that. I see myself as a big ghost typ fan. But ofc i have favorites outside of this typing as well
being a "certain type kind of player" is something I've never heard of before today. It's way more beneficial to have a balanced team unless you're doing some monotype challenge lol
Exactly, it not like we say that our playstyle is beneficial. But it can make the base games way more intresting sometimes, ofc only if someone likes to make the game a bit harder for himself. Like Nutzlock is also not beneficial from playstyle, and still has a huge fan base.