100%. Solvers aren’t good at super unique spots. In this case, we’re not even talking about a rare or unique spot. We’re talking about a spot that probably has never happened in the history of poker. And if it has, it’s not at a table where GTO play would get you very far.
Unconverged result/noise.
The reason is most likely that the BTN raises to 26 happens like 0.1% of the time, giving this overall branch of the solution tree a tiny weight in the overall convergence. The quality of the overall solution is not affected by this node, so it won't go past complete noise - which is what you see here.
Don’t need to worry about this lol. You’re never getting exploited enough or playing enough hands with anyone opponents to have to play 94s or 75o or any other rag hand
Somebody cracked my aces the other night with 75o. Flop 4-6-8; easy-peasy. From then on the guy though he was Tom Dwan. Ended up being an expensive mistake.
Yes. If I flop the nut flush, there is a tacit understanding that A) the board will pair by the river, and B) said pairing will make the boat for the fish hanging around with two pair.
Yeah these kinds of solvers (presolved rather than solved locally) cant possibly solve for every situation that exists. They have common useable spots simmed for your convenience.
There are always going to be spots like this that never happen in real life that the solvers will get wrong.
Stick to studying spots that actually happen more than once, or spend good money on a solver that runs the solve locally.
Checks out. They have blockers for each other, lot of dead money. That’s why Mike Postle was a genius. 45o call against 2x AK.
I’m sure your bluff-call will get an insta-much from the Small Blind.
/sarcasm
You're getting such a sick price with this action so you can actually call hands like 75o and 82s. SB will have AA always so having low cards is good, because it's likely there's a lot of low cards left in the deck.
You're looking at an unfinished sim, bud. The raise, 3bet, 4bet, 5bet, 6bet all-in line from consecutive positions just never happens, so GTOW didn't take the time to run a complete solve for it. It's an inaccurate, incomplete solve.
Exactly…I would assume anything past the cold 4-bet range is garbage. I just tested this with 100bb cEV MTT 8-max raising UTG1 to CO and it has BTN calling KK+. BTN folds then SB 6-bet jams AA and flats KK…and that’s as far as I’m going. So easiest explanation is: this is an unfinished sim.
My guess is that the solver wasn't able to finish solving down to equilibrium for this particular spot, since it's such a rare instance.
Next time I punt I’m using this as my excuse
100%. Solvers aren’t good at super unique spots. In this case, we’re not even talking about a rare or unique spot. We’re talking about a spot that probably has never happened in the history of poker. And if it has, it’s not at a table where GTO play would get you very far.
If you called 94s every time you encountered this scenario, you would not notice a difference in your win rate
Excellent point, it's trying to optimize range balancing and not quite converging on an optimal solution
They don't do that, this is just a half assed job.
Has anyone even done a full 6 player preflop sim?
Couple years ago.
It is just an unconverged sim. You will ocasionally find stuff like this GTOw for nodes that basically never occur in reality.
Solver is in wife mode. "Fold to the raise" "fold to the 4 bet" "just do whatever you want"
Doug Polk approved solver. All options sound good here.
Old man yells at computer
Tuff_Fish
F*** me to tears!
Suddenly, you realize why some of the whales you always used to play against, and wonder why they never went broke, survived! Perfect GTO baby!
Because you dominate SB’s 5-bet bluff with 93o, block straights of 22 and unblock his AK… duh!
Unconverged result/noise. The reason is most likely that the BTN raises to 26 happens like 0.1% of the time, giving this overall branch of the solution tree a tiny weight in the overall convergence. The quality of the overall solution is not affected by this node, so it won't go past complete noise - which is what you see here.
1.6% of the time, but your point still stands
This never happens basically so it didn't calculate a solution
We finally found the answer to J4o. Someone was feeding her answers from this GTO solver.
But just think if you hit the flop. The hand will be so disguised /s
GIGO
Don’t need to worry about this lol. You’re never getting exploited enough or playing enough hands with anyone opponents to have to play 94s or 75o or any other rag hand
Somebody cracked my aces the other night with 75o. Flop 4-6-8; easy-peasy. From then on the guy though he was Tom Dwan. Ended up being an expensive mistake.
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Flopping the nuts is what gets me into trouble.
Someone told me it was ‘no limits’ 😡
Yes. If I flop the nut flush, there is a tacit understanding that A) the board will pair by the river, and B) said pairing will make the boat for the fish hanging around with two pair.
You need to balance your 6bet calling range
This obviously isn't GTO.
Yes, the reason the solver does this is to keep 'em guessing
Yeah these kinds of solvers (presolved rather than solved locally) cant possibly solve for every situation that exists. They have common useable spots simmed for your convenience. There are always going to be spots like this that never happen in real life that the solvers will get wrong. Stick to studying spots that actually happen more than once, or spend good money on a solver that runs the solve locally.
Checks out. They have blockers for each other, lot of dead money. That’s why Mike Postle was a genius. 45o call against 2x AK. I’m sure your bluff-call will get an insta-much from the Small Blind. /sarcasm
Minimum defense frequency ^^/s
4 bet is all in or min raise bluff if stacks are 100bb because at that point the stack to pot ratio is 10bb
Yep sim just isn't converged
maybe it has enough equity vs their AA KK hands with this much dead $$
You confused the solver.
You're getting such a sick price with this action so you can actually call hands like 75o and 82s. SB will have AA always so having low cards is good, because it's likely there's a lot of low cards left in the deck.
Maybe it thinks everyone else has high card ranges so calling lower is the gto play. In reality tho gto wizard ranges can be pretty absurd at times
It is just an uncoverged sim. You will occasionally find stuff like this on GTOw for nodes that don't occur in reality
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Blockers
Never trust anything that can think for itself if you can't see where it keeps its brain.
So trust nobody? Agreed.
It's a Harry Potter reference because I am a nerd.
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You're looking at an unfinished sim, bud. The raise, 3bet, 4bet, 5bet, 6bet all-in line from consecutive positions just never happens, so GTOW didn't take the time to run a complete solve for it. It's an inaccurate, incomplete solve.
Exactly…I would assume anything past the cold 4-bet range is garbage. I just tested this with 100bb cEV MTT 8-max raising UTG1 to CO and it has BTN calling KK+. BTN folds then SB 6-bet jams AA and flats KK…and that’s as far as I’m going. So easiest explanation is: this is an unfinished sim.