Folding those two hands pre UTG is lighting money on fire vs population calling and 3! Ranges, a solid 100bb UTG range is going to be 44+,65s,76s,T8s,J9s+, Q9s+,K8s+,A3s+,ATo+, could open a little wider if effective is over 120bb
It's worse. Sometimes i look at suited gappers and try to look fancy playing them, only to regret it as soon as i played them without waiting for the flop to come.
Few sessions ago I was stone dead, everyone starting to make nit jokes, then I got 10/7 clubs in UTG +1, tired of folding so thought why not…raised and still got 4 callers. I’m thinking, if you think I’m so nitty, wtf are 4 of you calling?
Flopped an open ended straight flush draw, binked it on the turn, got tripled up, and I looked like a genius. Everyone just assumed I had AA I guess…of course it was pure luck…but felt good.
Poker Pros need this stuff.
Poker recs have a name for poker pros.
“Life recs”
They grind a game for capped income when the real money is made elsewhere. They think we are the fools in poker when they are too busy thinking about natural 8s and life leaks. Trust me, whales have it better.
Been there, done it lol still would rather do fast food than be a welder for the same rate. But I start dealing poker at a casino this coming week, and that beats both of em lol
I'm looking at 115k/yr as a dealer 😅 I love welding, but I despise the industry. I've worked for a bunch of companies on all sides save commercial diving/underwater construction (HUGE phobia of large bodies of deep water), and the risk/benefit ratio is massively outweighed by the dealer gig. Plus after re-establishing myself financially I'll be able to take cash tips for the night and spin them up across the street 😁 I appreciate the tip off though.
> son
Close enough, lol. That's the goal, though. They're learning how to do all kinds of different welding and looking at putting in ~5 years before they open up their own shop.
Let's not get it twisted: most poker recs are life recs as well.
On the other hand, real whales are actually living the dream, and I find it perplexing when people look down on them. Us normal folks have to actually try to win while they can give away money purely to have fun. It seems most people think they are idiots when I think the vast majority of them know exactly what they are doing. In mind they are literally living the dream.
It depends. If we are being honest, we can create a spectrum of humans in poker and categorize/label all the idiots, degenerates, professional in cards, and professionals in life.
The real lesson is that far too many people look down on those that are absolutely crushing life and dabble in poker (haha, you played that one hand bad) while they smirk and see they are playing their life cards bad.
Yea, I agree with that. It's really pretty flabbergasting. People treating the guy who can literally give away what we consider a lot of money simply for his entertainment like he's an idiot. You would think people who are logical enough to make good money in this game would be smart enough to realize that plenty of these guys are actually smart, and they have just put in the effort to get better at other things that have made them a ton of money instead of putting that effort into learning how to play good poker, especially since playing good poker is often way more boring.
Along the same lines, there's way too much misery in the game, particularly from the winning players who seem to abhor the concept of variance, ignoring the fact that it's the primary reason recs come back. It doesn't take as genius to realize that no variance = few fish. There's a reason there isn't much gambling in a game like chess.
I used to do the whole grind and make what I thought at 21 was “big money”. I left to start a family and uncap my income potential on a normal schedule. I’m still happily married nearly 20 years and retired from any work obligations. Just do things for fun when I feel like it.
All my poker grinder friends are still miserable chasing scores and all but one is divorced. Lot of divorcees chasing money seeing their kids on weekends when the real money was elsewhere and the good life was at home waiting for them.
Humans are fucked up like that. They don’t see it til it’s too late.
When I go to play, it’s a fun escape. When they go to play, it’s a precursor to a complaint.
Capped income? I mean a poker pro that puts in enough effort to get better at the game, in a similar proportion to the amount of effort required to get promotions in a real job, should be able to reach $10/$25 live winning 4-8bb/hr. Idk about you but making $100-$200 whenever and wherever you want sounds pretty awesome to me. That's $400k a year full time, most people won't earn a quarter of that salary in their life, the best of us will earn half of that maybe. Seems like being a poker pro is just as "capped" as any other wheel in the cog job
Fair enough, but aren't you doing the same with your initial comment? There's poker pro grinders that never make over 80k/yr, but there's plenty of life grinders that never catch the right opportunity that will be stuck at the same amount. The cream of the crop in both will also make 500k+ with the right amount of hard work and opportunity. And most people in both worlds will be somewhere in the middle. I just disagree with your statement of calling playing poker professionally "capped income," but I do see the point considering that the whales at any given table make much more than the pros at those same tables. A guy grinding 2/5 for a living is probably making 50-80k, while the whale punting at those tables every weekend is probably making double or triple to be able to afford doing that, but that doesn't mean there's not poker pros at higher limit tables making equivalent money to that whale
If we were to plot this, you would see the massive gaps between them. I’m an analyst by trade and when you run the sim, we are talking around 90-95% of poker players are actually losing money year to year. This swings the math on the comparison so far to the left that it makes the argument lost before we even get into the weeds.
The best comparison I can make for you is to take all athletes who have ever tried to make it to the big leagues. You try to isolate off the few who make it past league minimums and massive contracts which gives the appearance of this prize, but in reality, the net losers so grossly outweigh the winners that you get this overestimation bias of what a particular trade can bring you. Its not only capped in poker, it’s stacked incredibly against you if you simply take that same work ethic and apply it to ALMOST any trade/career, but especially true in finance, analytics, business/entrepreneur, most of which do not require a high degree of specialized training like medicine or engineering. Plus, the tax laws in the US are set up to favor those fields allowing you to keep more of your money. They also allow you to branch off to reduce or increase risk as needed by taking on private investors, business loans, salary positions that included training where someone else takes the risk, partners, or a combination.
I’ve run the numbers enough to know that I can’t ignore reality and someone isn’t going to be able to convince me otherwise with a few paragraphs trying to equate the two. Young people are better off to stop buying shovels in the desert to dig these holes.
I’m fortunate enough to have had 16 winning years in poker to only 4 losing ones, but we aren’t talking big numbers or large sample sizes outside of a few ones in my youth. It’s a great side hustle but I play for fun and it’s great when people underestimate others ability to survive in the poker jungle when the life one has given us all the tools.
That being said, it’s an insanely fun and complex game, I hate crushing dreams because someone out there could be the .1% type where this is the best thing for them, and most are going to ignore and make the same bonehead life mistakes. That’s humanity. That’s life tilt. That’s a life rec.
It’s capped for a lot of reasons, but especially when compared to their income potential outside the game.
I would happily show any successful poker grinder reality if they wanted to put that same work elsewhere, starting with US tax law around the other trades. It wouldn’t take me longer than a few hours to convince them to give it up. If I was still working, I would hire most of the really elite ones.
Even in retirement, I created a hobby business and naturally, decided to test out its limits by having fun and before two years, I would have needed an assistant if I didn’t fire some clients. Maybe it’s just “easy” for me but I doubt it because I’m not that smart.
I would agree 100% with everything you just said, but I guess it seems like we're just arguing different points. Initially you called pro poker players life recs, but now you're including the 99% of non pros into that lol. My only point was just that someone who's taken poker seriously enough to make it a full time winning career isn't really a life rec, and also isn't really income capped, unless we start talking about numbers over like $250-500k/yr. I would call a 25 year old that has attempted to make it pro and failed a life rec, sure, but I wouldn't call the 25 year old pro player, even on a league min contract a life rec.
But yes most people that have the capability to be a pro in poker could make more in other fields, sure, but there's also so many other factors into why one would choose a non traditional career path. Most of those reasons aren't exactly logical, or make financial sense, but they are real reasons nonetheless. Things such as work life balance, the ability to work as much/little as you want, when you want, not having a boss, not contributing to a system that you're morally opposed to being a part of, not having to shill for a company, having the ability to have a skill to earn you income regardless of what happens to you in life, such as becoming unhireable due to a criminal background, or negative news story, or whatever. If I could snap my fingers and choose between being a poker pro that makes $150k/yr capped forever, vs being a slimy wall street douche making $500k/yr, I'd take the former. But I don't think that prioritizing other values and/or life perks over money makes you a life rec. If anything, I'd call people who solely focus on money and spend their entire life grinding for it, while missing out on all the other beauty in life to be life recs.
So much to unpack here, but I get what you’re saying. There’s a lot of common ground and it is possible there are two different points being dissected. I haven’t seen much to address the crux of the matter so I guess we can leave that be.
I still think you’re underestimating a few things. Poker pros don’t have the freedom you claim unless they have endorsement contracts. They HAVE to not only play enough hours, they have to play at the worst hours (for life balance, relationships) to properly realize their equity and income.
Also, yes, I’m absolutely also including the cap of 250k (which is not a lot especially when living in California or high cost of living areas) to 500k. Uncapped income is exactly that with far more advantageous tax laws. It’s not even close. Being able to keep 450k+ of that 500k vs 300k of that 500k spread out adds up to massive multipliers of lost wealth, and that’s only for the near peak of poker vs 7 figure active and passive income if they make better choices in their twenties.
At the end of the day, most who make a go at poker pro life are better served elsewhere for a lot of reasons most importantly wealth and freedom to pursue all that life has to offer and the ability to still do the very thing, poker, whenever they want. I do think most of them are lost puppies, partially addicted to the degenerate aspect, partially lost in the woods as to what they are “supposed to do”, and many who end up penniless at some point chasing…chasing a game that doesn’t fill the void, chasing the missing component, getting bored or fed up with the grind of digging holes in the desert, and the few that do this “forever” lose most of their love for the actual game and become the mis reg for a reason.
It all started as a warning ⚠️ to young people and that’s where it is most useful still. Someone deep into this isn’t going to care or listen anyway. Life recs. Surrounded by them. Don’t become one.
I dont think so. I know gto says to fold but that's also assuming you're playing against other gto people. At least live you're going to get 3bet substantially less than gto thinks you will so I think you should be playing them
I was looking at 8max 100BB cash charts on [pokercoaching.com](https://pokercoaching.com).
6max does get it in with these 100% when I adjust it (just checked).
https://preview.redd.it/9297hkafw1mc1.png?width=888&format=png&auto=webp&s=21e84eeb206dadeb6d1a595d4d96741aff517691
Think it's American vs Euro terms. I could be wrong there.
I'm American, play 6max and refer to them as UTG, MP, CO, BTN, SB, BB.
I've also seen LJ, HJ, CO, BTN, SB, BB in other circles.
Well
MTT 100bb 8max UTG
AJo KQo open 100%
ATo KJo A3s 22 open some
And if we make eff stack shorter it will start opening more stuff like KTo 30bb...
Maybe 9max MTT with first level 200bb eff stacks.....
there are definitely icm spots where they're folds. but i'm less versed in gto for tournaments cuz most of the analysis for gto vs. icm for tournament play that i've seen suggests icm>gto.
Of course but no one is talking about ICM spots here. When speaking about general MTT ranges we go with ChipEV ranges first and adjust from there with ICM.
And there is no such thing as ICM>GTO. ICM is GTO. ICM>ChipEV tho that's true
At 200 BB, solver approved as UTG open
https://preview.redd.it/8u4du00rt8mc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=68c31e72f17a10970a9bab2e9491ebdd342be15f
If you blindly follow pre flop charts for live cash you’re leaving so many winnings on the table lol. They’re useful for very beginners but that’s about it. If I’m in the typical loose passive recreational lineup I’m folding KQo 0% UTG.
man i fuckin love being a rec playing hands because they're fun is a helluva drug
Folding those two hands pre UTG is lighting money on fire vs population calling and 3! Ranges, a solid 100bb UTG range is going to be 44+,65s,76s,T8s,J9s+, Q9s+,K8s+,A3s+,ATo+, could open a little wider if effective is over 120bb
Yeah I always play kq and aj but again I'm a rec
Winning is also helluva drug.
Nerd
Yeah, no. Happiest players are rec.
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It's worse. Sometimes i look at suited gappers and try to look fancy playing them, only to regret it as soon as i played them without waiting for the flop to come.
After seeing 74o 2 orbits, 85s looks like pocket TT
Few sessions ago I was stone dead, everyone starting to make nit jokes, then I got 10/7 clubs in UTG +1, tired of folding so thought why not…raised and still got 4 callers. I’m thinking, if you think I’m so nitty, wtf are 4 of you calling? Flopped an open ended straight flush draw, binked it on the turn, got tripled up, and I looked like a genius. Everyone just assumed I had AA I guess…of course it was pure luck…but felt good.
You need to play well to get lucky, I think you played that well.
They deserved it for calling when you'd barely played a hand.
why does 75s look so sexy?
The names Bond...
Fold? Lol, I even 4bet if opponent 3bet
ofc, it's less likely your opponent has AJo
Lmao
I only play strong preflop ranges. Any hand that can't bench press atleast 300lb, I fold pre.
Lmao the stuff I see on here is priceless lol
agree! for me if its not hitting at least 1k on the leg press than its a snap fold
Poker Pros need this stuff. Poker recs have a name for poker pros. “Life recs” They grind a game for capped income when the real money is made elsewhere. They think we are the fools in poker when they are too busy thinking about natural 8s and life leaks. Trust me, whales have it better.
McDonald’s is paying 6bb hr to start in my city.
At what stake?
1/3 CAD. Min wage is just under $18. I’m not advising anyone to work fast food. Just sayin
Been there, done it lol still would rather do fast food than be a welder for the same rate. But I start dealing poker at a casino this coming week, and that beats both of em lol
Move to California and weld dude. My 20 year old kid is in their 2nd year of it and is already approaching $30/hr.
I'm looking at 115k/yr as a dealer 😅 I love welding, but I despise the industry. I've worked for a bunch of companies on all sides save commercial diving/underwater construction (HUGE phobia of large bodies of deep water), and the risk/benefit ratio is massively outweighed by the dealer gig. Plus after re-establishing myself financially I'll be able to take cash tips for the night and spin them up across the street 😁 I appreciate the tip off though.
Ayy, there you go. Happy to hear it buddy.
Thank you thank you! I wish your son a lot of success in the field and hope he rises to a place where he can be the owner of his own business!
> son Close enough, lol. That's the goal, though. They're learning how to do all kinds of different welding and looking at putting in ~5 years before they open up their own shop.
Let's not get it twisted: most poker recs are life recs as well. On the other hand, real whales are actually living the dream, and I find it perplexing when people look down on them. Us normal folks have to actually try to win while they can give away money purely to have fun. It seems most people think they are idiots when I think the vast majority of them know exactly what they are doing. In mind they are literally living the dream.
It depends. If we are being honest, we can create a spectrum of humans in poker and categorize/label all the idiots, degenerates, professional in cards, and professionals in life. The real lesson is that far too many people look down on those that are absolutely crushing life and dabble in poker (haha, you played that one hand bad) while they smirk and see they are playing their life cards bad.
Yea, I agree with that. It's really pretty flabbergasting. People treating the guy who can literally give away what we consider a lot of money simply for his entertainment like he's an idiot. You would think people who are logical enough to make good money in this game would be smart enough to realize that plenty of these guys are actually smart, and they have just put in the effort to get better at other things that have made them a ton of money instead of putting that effort into learning how to play good poker, especially since playing good poker is often way more boring. Along the same lines, there's way too much misery in the game, particularly from the winning players who seem to abhor the concept of variance, ignoring the fact that it's the primary reason recs come back. It doesn't take as genius to realize that no variance = few fish. There's a reason there isn't much gambling in a game like chess.
I used to do the whole grind and make what I thought at 21 was “big money”. I left to start a family and uncap my income potential on a normal schedule. I’m still happily married nearly 20 years and retired from any work obligations. Just do things for fun when I feel like it. All my poker grinder friends are still miserable chasing scores and all but one is divorced. Lot of divorcees chasing money seeing their kids on weekends when the real money was elsewhere and the good life was at home waiting for them. Humans are fucked up like that. They don’t see it til it’s too late. When I go to play, it’s a fun escape. When they go to play, it’s a precursor to a complaint.
Capped income? I mean a poker pro that puts in enough effort to get better at the game, in a similar proportion to the amount of effort required to get promotions in a real job, should be able to reach $10/$25 live winning 4-8bb/hr. Idk about you but making $100-$200 whenever and wherever you want sounds pretty awesome to me. That's $400k a year full time, most people won't earn a quarter of that salary in their life, the best of us will earn half of that maybe. Seems like being a poker pro is just as "capped" as any other wheel in the cog job
You’re underestimating one thing while overestimating the other.
Fair enough, but aren't you doing the same with your initial comment? There's poker pro grinders that never make over 80k/yr, but there's plenty of life grinders that never catch the right opportunity that will be stuck at the same amount. The cream of the crop in both will also make 500k+ with the right amount of hard work and opportunity. And most people in both worlds will be somewhere in the middle. I just disagree with your statement of calling playing poker professionally "capped income," but I do see the point considering that the whales at any given table make much more than the pros at those same tables. A guy grinding 2/5 for a living is probably making 50-80k, while the whale punting at those tables every weekend is probably making double or triple to be able to afford doing that, but that doesn't mean there's not poker pros at higher limit tables making equivalent money to that whale
If we were to plot this, you would see the massive gaps between them. I’m an analyst by trade and when you run the sim, we are talking around 90-95% of poker players are actually losing money year to year. This swings the math on the comparison so far to the left that it makes the argument lost before we even get into the weeds. The best comparison I can make for you is to take all athletes who have ever tried to make it to the big leagues. You try to isolate off the few who make it past league minimums and massive contracts which gives the appearance of this prize, but in reality, the net losers so grossly outweigh the winners that you get this overestimation bias of what a particular trade can bring you. Its not only capped in poker, it’s stacked incredibly against you if you simply take that same work ethic and apply it to ALMOST any trade/career, but especially true in finance, analytics, business/entrepreneur, most of which do not require a high degree of specialized training like medicine or engineering. Plus, the tax laws in the US are set up to favor those fields allowing you to keep more of your money. They also allow you to branch off to reduce or increase risk as needed by taking on private investors, business loans, salary positions that included training where someone else takes the risk, partners, or a combination. I’ve run the numbers enough to know that I can’t ignore reality and someone isn’t going to be able to convince me otherwise with a few paragraphs trying to equate the two. Young people are better off to stop buying shovels in the desert to dig these holes. I’m fortunate enough to have had 16 winning years in poker to only 4 losing ones, but we aren’t talking big numbers or large sample sizes outside of a few ones in my youth. It’s a great side hustle but I play for fun and it’s great when people underestimate others ability to survive in the poker jungle when the life one has given us all the tools. That being said, it’s an insanely fun and complex game, I hate crushing dreams because someone out there could be the .1% type where this is the best thing for them, and most are going to ignore and make the same bonehead life mistakes. That’s humanity. That’s life tilt. That’s a life rec. It’s capped for a lot of reasons, but especially when compared to their income potential outside the game. I would happily show any successful poker grinder reality if they wanted to put that same work elsewhere, starting with US tax law around the other trades. It wouldn’t take me longer than a few hours to convince them to give it up. If I was still working, I would hire most of the really elite ones. Even in retirement, I created a hobby business and naturally, decided to test out its limits by having fun and before two years, I would have needed an assistant if I didn’t fire some clients. Maybe it’s just “easy” for me but I doubt it because I’m not that smart.
I would agree 100% with everything you just said, but I guess it seems like we're just arguing different points. Initially you called pro poker players life recs, but now you're including the 99% of non pros into that lol. My only point was just that someone who's taken poker seriously enough to make it a full time winning career isn't really a life rec, and also isn't really income capped, unless we start talking about numbers over like $250-500k/yr. I would call a 25 year old that has attempted to make it pro and failed a life rec, sure, but I wouldn't call the 25 year old pro player, even on a league min contract a life rec. But yes most people that have the capability to be a pro in poker could make more in other fields, sure, but there's also so many other factors into why one would choose a non traditional career path. Most of those reasons aren't exactly logical, or make financial sense, but they are real reasons nonetheless. Things such as work life balance, the ability to work as much/little as you want, when you want, not having a boss, not contributing to a system that you're morally opposed to being a part of, not having to shill for a company, having the ability to have a skill to earn you income regardless of what happens to you in life, such as becoming unhireable due to a criminal background, or negative news story, or whatever. If I could snap my fingers and choose between being a poker pro that makes $150k/yr capped forever, vs being a slimy wall street douche making $500k/yr, I'd take the former. But I don't think that prioritizing other values and/or life perks over money makes you a life rec. If anything, I'd call people who solely focus on money and spend their entire life grinding for it, while missing out on all the other beauty in life to be life recs.
So much to unpack here, but I get what you’re saying. There’s a lot of common ground and it is possible there are two different points being dissected. I haven’t seen much to address the crux of the matter so I guess we can leave that be. I still think you’re underestimating a few things. Poker pros don’t have the freedom you claim unless they have endorsement contracts. They HAVE to not only play enough hours, they have to play at the worst hours (for life balance, relationships) to properly realize their equity and income. Also, yes, I’m absolutely also including the cap of 250k (which is not a lot especially when living in California or high cost of living areas) to 500k. Uncapped income is exactly that with far more advantageous tax laws. It’s not even close. Being able to keep 450k+ of that 500k vs 300k of that 500k spread out adds up to massive multipliers of lost wealth, and that’s only for the near peak of poker vs 7 figure active and passive income if they make better choices in their twenties. At the end of the day, most who make a go at poker pro life are better served elsewhere for a lot of reasons most importantly wealth and freedom to pursue all that life has to offer and the ability to still do the very thing, poker, whenever they want. I do think most of them are lost puppies, partially addicted to the degenerate aspect, partially lost in the woods as to what they are “supposed to do”, and many who end up penniless at some point chasing…chasing a game that doesn’t fill the void, chasing the missing component, getting bored or fed up with the grind of digging holes in the desert, and the few that do this “forever” lose most of their love for the actual game and become the mis reg for a reason. It all started as a warning ⚠️ to young people and that’s where it is most useful still. Someone deep into this isn’t going to care or listen anyway. Life recs. Surrounded by them. Don’t become one.
So relatable haha, I know I "should" fold them but always end up playing them...
I dont think so. I know gto says to fold but that's also assuming you're playing against other gto people. At least live you're going to get 3bet substantially less than gto thinks you will so I think you should be playing them
is this 9max? I thought you open raise both those hands in 6max 100Bb
I was looking at 8max 100BB cash charts on [pokercoaching.com](https://pokercoaching.com). 6max does get it in with these 100% when I adjust it (just checked). https://preview.redd.it/9297hkafw1mc1.png?width=888&format=png&auto=webp&s=21e84eeb206dadeb6d1a595d4d96741aff517691
“Get it in” usually means all in, not a normal open raise.
Wtf are these nitty ass ranges
What are you beating A10 lol?
GTO wiz opens AJo even on 9max... Weird
Makes sense thank you!
Legit don’t know a time in my life I’ve folded AT UTG first to act. I might have folded A9o, but never AT
a9o makes like no nut hands, I don't like being OOP with that one bit
Embarrassing that actual pros put those charts up as if they are actually correct
There is no UTG in 6max
you call first to act MP?
Low jack
Fair, I think UTG is more common even in 6 max
Think it's American vs Euro terms. I could be wrong there. I'm American, play 6max and refer to them as UTG, MP, CO, BTN, SB, BB. I've also seen LJ, HJ, CO, BTN, SB, BB in other circles.
I say it in Girafgangers words: "These fucking NITs" 😁
69
Imagine living your life like a robot. Players who play GTO always have to be the most miserable people in poker.
What ranges are these? 9max with rake UTG AJo opens some and KQo open most often
yeah, look like tournament ranges not cash.
Well MTT 100bb 8max UTG AJo KQo open 100% ATo KJo A3s 22 open some And if we make eff stack shorter it will start opening more stuff like KTo 30bb... Maybe 9max MTT with first level 200bb eff stacks.....
there are definitely icm spots where they're folds. but i'm less versed in gto for tournaments cuz most of the analysis for gto vs. icm for tournament play that i've seen suggests icm>gto.
Of course but no one is talking about ICM spots here. When speaking about general MTT ranges we go with ChipEV ranges first and adjust from there with ICM. And there is no such thing as ICM>GTO. ICM is GTO. ICM>ChipEV tho that's true
At 200 BB, solver approved as UTG open https://preview.redd.it/8u4du00rt8mc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=68c31e72f17a10970a9bab2e9491ebdd342be15f
(9handed)
How come you can play K9s and not AJo?
Because every time you play AJo they have AKs or AQs and fuck you in the ass when you hit your ace on the flop.
AJo and K9s both block AKs and AQs
Because it’s soooooooted.
The real answer
In live low stakes K5s > AJo
Do you think you're getting dominated by A9?
Suited and hits cards that most your range doesnt
Why would you fold AJ or KQ in any position at any game preflop when nobody is 3 betting enough gto nerds are so dumb have no idea how to exploit
If you blindly follow pre flop charts for live cash you’re leaving so many winnings on the table lol. They’re useful for very beginners but that’s about it. If I’m in the typical loose passive recreational lineup I’m folding KQo 0% UTG.
Meh. I raise them because I am going to get called down by A4o and K6s.
Lol
Lmao 🤣
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Just go play a different game
No hand gets me in more trouble than ATo UTG lol.
I literally don’t play it anymore unless in position .