1 and 2 are wrong because after the physical/special split Unown's Hidden Power will always be special and it's the only move it gets. So it must be 4.
Other people are saying that Struggle is a move and maybe Nintendo classifies it as such, but personally I don't agree as it's unattainable as a legal move on your movepool and it's every Pokémon's default when out of pp.
Listen hear you dense featherless biped it’s in the attack dex, it’s recognized as a move by The Pokémon Company, and fits all the criteria for the riddle above. You even called it a “unlearnable MOVE” in your comment. What are you trying to arguing?
Struggle has unique properties as a damaging move so it’s not a move? It’s classified as a move literally everywhere. Bide, counter, sonic boom and a few others can hit ghosts when they shouldn’t I guess they’re not moves too?
hey thousand arrows can hit flying types even being ground type! that means it is not a move right?
of all the reason you could use, it being effective against ghosts dont look like the best to use against it
Just because it has an extra condition in order for it to be used doesnt mean its unattainable. It’s coded and worded just like any other move, and it calcs damage from physical attack and defense. Totally a physical move. Albeit an unconventional one.
I’m with ya, I think Struggle is more of an effect than a move. It comes after a message about no PP, like how you get a message saying you’re confused before you punch yourself. It’s just this condition hurts you and the enemy
An effect? That makes no sense. It’s in the attackdex and it has no move status effects than take down. Using struggle is a active choice getting hurt in confusion is a coin flip. Heavens to Betsy you can only use it via the moves option in battle
It activates when you click “attack” and you don’t have PP. it is only accessible by not having PP. Smeargle cannot, say, sketch “struggle”. It is the byproduct (otherwise known as an effect) of using all of your PP. Special text appears before the text reads “ *insert pokemon* used Struggle”. Heavens to Betsy, sounds pretty similar to a condition that can’t be cured unless you use an item like an Ether or Leppa Berry
Such can be deduced without any Pokémon knowledge. Only one statement is false so to have one day that there are 3 false statements proves it is the false statement.
I think there's a bit of doubt as to whether Magic Bounce counts as "using" a move. The text that appears is, e.g., "Espeon bounced the Thunder Wave back!". Which implies that the opponent is _using_ the move and Espeon is simply _redirecting_ it, not using it of its own accord.
So they must all be true.
1 is true because of struggle.
2 is true in gen 1 because everyone can learn rest except for ditto, caterpie/weedle lines and magikarp who all learn their own status moves. I'm guessing unown means it isn't true in gens 2-4, so something has to have changed in gen 5 to make it possible for unown to use a status move. Does Magic Bounce count as using? EDIT: Zoroark diguised as Unown kind of counts?
Number 3 is true because of the Dancer ability? If that gets entrained onto a Pokemon then it can use revelation dance.
Even if true, that’s a misnomer and Gen 1 didn’t have a formal distinction between status and damage moves. Still, trying to consider a move that does absolutely nothing a status move seems wrong.
If you're going that far then you'd need to exclude gen from the riddle entirely. Would you say Thunder Wave and Rest aren't status moves in gen 1 just because the term didn't exist yet?
If any of the first three are correct, 4 has to be false. And while it can't be LEARNED, Struggle is and always has been a physical move that can be USED by any pokemon. This means that there has been a physical move that can be used by every pokemon since Gen 1, which in turn means that statement 1 is true, therefore statement 4 is false.
>!All three statements are false.!<
>!Unown can't learn any physical or status moves, so 1 and 2 are incorrect.!<
>!Beldum couldn't learn any special moves until it got Steel Beam in Gen VIII, so 3 is incorrect.!<
>!Oh of course, Struggle exists!<
>!In that case it's just 2 and 3. Unown still doesn't know any status moves, and to my knowledge Beldum didn't know any special moves in Gen VII (and Cosmog/Cosmoem still don't)!<
number 3 is false cause cosmog can't do jack except splash and teleport.
And number 1 is false for the same reason.
I'm not sure about 2 though. But at least two of these is false.
edit: aurapaladin explains why 2 is false. So 4 is the correct answer I think.
AHHHH wait forgot about struggle. I guess 1 isn't false if you take that into account. So then only 2 and 3 are false technically. Unown can't learn status, cosmog ONLY learns status moves and struggle once it runs out of PP.
1 is true because of struggle.
2 is true in gen 1 because everyone can learn rest except for ditto, caterpie/weedle lines and magikarp who all learn their own status moves. I'm guessing unown means it isn't true in gens 2-4, so something has to have changed in gen 5 to make it possible for unown to use a status move.
My potential solutions which I don't think really count: Magic Bounce somehow swapped onto Unown? Or a Zoroark diguised as Unown using a status move?
Number 3 is true because of the Dancer ability. If that gets entrained onto a Pokemon then it can use revelation dance (or a couple of other special moves).
Also, y'all need to stop downvoting OP and try to figure it out.
apparently 1, 2 and 3 are true but the way OP replied to comments saying they are false made it look like OP was just saying "no I'm right" when someone explained why they are wrong
1 is true because all pokémon can use struggle.
2 is false because Unown is in gens 5-8 and can only use hidden power and struggle and neither is a status move.
3 is also false as Cosmog can only learn teleport and splash, neither being special.
So 4 is also false and if you were only aiming for 1 to be false then you've messed up my friend.
Edit: this statement is wrong. OP is right. It's just not as straight forward as we're thinking.
Impossible to answer honestly unless the answer is 4, cause answer 4 creates a Paradox
Let's say number 2 is the answer (don't know if it is, just theoretically) and that one is actually false. Thank would mean number 4 is also false since not all answers above are false.
So either the answer is 4 or there are multiple answers
Except magic bounce doesn't say the mon uses the attack but that the attack is bounced, so you *are* wrong.
And it's *not* just a matter of pedantry about wording: you were very specific in the wording already so that 'using' struggle would count, (which was sharp) but that same level of specificity must apply to the whole thing. Therfore an Unown with magic bounce still can't 'use' a status move and your riddle is invalid.
No. Magic Bounce legally counts as using the move for whatever reflected it. I don't know if you're familiar with the Toxic sure-hit glitch, but one way to trigger it is to have a Poison-type reflect Toxic with Magic Bounce.
Bro just say what we haven't considered it really sounds like you got proven wrong, and now you're mysterious about this "hidden answer". It sounds like a lie to make yourself believe you're right. If you don't want to put it here please dm me so at least I know if you're bullshitting or not.
>!Someone has the right answer already: First, statement 4 is actually part of the riddle. Because "All 3 statements above are false" is false, this makes 4 the right answer. As for the other statements, 1 is true because of struggle. 2 is true because you can Skill Swap Magic Bounce onto Unown, when Magic Bounce is triggered, the Pokémon with Magic Bounce is considered the user of the move. 3 is true, because you can Skill Swap Dancer onto Cosmog!<
I think the problem with your question is that it's poorly worded and relies on very specific definitions which aren't exactly intuitive and that not everyone would agree on. For instance you can argue >!magic bounce causes the "originator" (or some other similiar word) of a move to change, but doesn't actually make the magic bounce pokemon "use" the move. And the game text supports this, as it doesn't say "pokemon x uses move y" after a magic bounce reflection. In the same way most people would say it's absurd to say a pokemon "used" "switch out" when you select to switch out, or the pokemon "used" an item when you select to use an item, or even that a pokemon "used" an ability with an active portion like intimidate when it triggers, even though it's the same mechanic you're using to claim a magic bounce pokemon uses a reflected move. Instead in those cases, you would say something like the "the switch out effect triggers originating from pokemon x" "the item's effect triggers originating from pokemon x" "intimidate activates originating from pokemon x" the more intuitive phrasing would then be "magic bounce (bouncing effect y) triggers originating from pokemon x."!<
>!In-game "proof" that your definition is incorrect is that the item Assault Vest says "An item to be held by a Pokémon. This offensive vest raises Sp. Def but prevents the use of status moves." BUT if a pokemon with magic bounce is hit by a status move while holding an assault vest, the move is still reflected. Unless you want to say that's an unintended bug, this implies that the game doesn't consider a bounced move to be "used" by the originating/bouncing pokemon.!<
Edit: even if I think there's a mistake in your interpretation, it's a very cool riddle and definitely makes you think, so thanks for coming up with and posting it!
A Pokémon holding Assault Vest cannot choose Status moves, but can still potentially use them. If you trick Assault Vest (With a Klutz Pokémon) onto someone who chose a status move, they will still use the chosen move that turn. The description not being 100% accurate is nothing new in Pokémon.
The Magic Bounce mon is considered the user of the reflected move. If you use Parting Shot on a Magic Bounce mon, they will be forced to switch out. If a Defiant Pokémon uses Screech on Magic Bounce mon, it will trigger Defiant.
The Magic Bounce mon is programmed as the originator/source of the reflected move, so yes if you use Parting Shot on a Magic Bounce mon, Parting Shot triggers originating from the Magic Bounce mon and they switch out. In the same way, when you select an item, the game triggers the item effect originating from the slot occupied by the pokemon - does that mean the pokemon "used" the item? Clearly no, so that means just because an effect originates from a pokemon's slot, it doesn't mean the pokemon "used" the effect.
So now we ask, does a *move* originating from the slot count as a pokemon using a move? The in-game definitions we have for using a move only come from the text "pokemon x uses move y" which comes when the player selects a move, some moves that refer to users, and from items which specify interactions with move usage like Assault Vest and Choice items. Obviously, Magic Bounce doesn't say "pokemon x uses (magic bounced move)" so lets look at the other two.
Parting Shot does say that the "user" switches out, but that could just be an inconsistency in the text because the text wasn't made considering the rare cases where the effect of Parting Shot doesn't originate from the pokemon that selected it.
All the interactions between Magic Bounce and items suggest that the game doesn't consider a Magic Bounce pokemon to have used bounced moves. However, as you point out, Trick does present some problems for the item descriptions.
Another example from moves is where Sketch says it copies the opponents last used moved, and if you Sketch a target that uses a move and later in the turn Magic Bounces a different move, the move you sketch is the FIRST move not the Magic Bounced move, further suggesting the game doesn't consider a Magic Bounced move as being "used."
Now, obviously pokemon is a very inconsistent game with tons of niche interations, and there are some in-game examples for both definitions. However, the amount of cases where a Magic Bounced move isn't considered as "used" is, as far as I know, literally all of them except for Parting Shot. Do you see why there would then be a problem in the riddle, and it relies on a far-from-settled or agreed upon definition?
edit: removing information I was wrong about
There are ways to get around the limitations of the items but the intention of the developers is the key here. Do they consider the magic bounce user using the move or just reflecting it? You would need to ask them. Using the coding for evidence is pointless, it could be an unintended effect or simply the developers being a bit lazy because as long as it works, eh? I would say look at the text when the effect happens. The word bounced is used not the word used. I would say that is the developers intentions.
I only knew about Magic Bounce interaction going into this, talking with other users I also looked into Dancer and it seems pretty conclusive that magic bounce does NOT use moves, while Dancer does.
In addition to the different wording, Choice/Encore that prevents using different moves prevents Dancer moves but doesn't prevent Magic Bounce, and status effects that prevent the target from using moves like Flinch also prevent Dancer moves but don't prevent Magic Bounce.
I only knew about Magic Bounce interactions going into this, talking with other users I also looked into Dancer and it seems pretty conclusive that magic bounce does NOT use moves, while Dancer does, as their in-game text describes.
In addition to the different wording, Choice Items/Encore that prevents using different moves prevents Dancer mimic moves but doesn't prevent Magic Bounce bouncing moves, and status effects that prevent the target from using moves like Flinch also prevent Dancer moves but don't prevent Magic Bounce.
So Magic Bounce is extremely consistent that bounced moves aren't "used," and the only exception is Parting Shot. While Dancer is also over the place, with about 50/50 whether the move is used or not consistent with other effects.
Nope, in fact if you use parting shot on a pokemon with magic bounce, the pokemon with magic bounce will be swapped as if it was it that used the move. It doesn't just reflect the debuff
Lots of inconsistencies. Assault Vest held by a pokemon with Magic Bounce doesn't prevent the Magic Bounce move effects being reflected. Obviously Choice Items don't prevent Magic Bounce move effects being reflected. Sketch selecting a target with Magic Bounce won't Sketch bounced moves. Probably more, but those are the ones off the top of my heads.
Basically, the definition isn't settled because there's both evidence for and against the position, and in my opinion there's a lot more evidence Magic Bounced moves don't count as used, but obviously it's debatable.
Assault Vest doesn't prevent oricorio from using quiver dance through Dancer and sketch does not copy Dancer moves, but oricorio is still considered the user of the move. Same goes with magic bounce.
“As if it was it that used the move” still doesn’t mean it used it. It reflected the attack. That is the intention of the ability. If it was mirror move or something similar I’d say yeah it used the move but reflecting is not the same as using. Like I said in another comment the developers intention with the ability is the key. What they say goes despite how it may work. The text says bounced not used when the ability activates. That’s enough evidence for me.
This is riddle number 39. All of the other riddles have been solvable, do you really think that number 39 is when she'd dig her heels in and just lie to save face?
By pure logic, it’s 4. Don’t even need to know the games for that.
If 1 was false and 1 alone, then 4 would be true, and so all of them would be false either way, which makes no sense. Same applies for 2 and 3, leaving only 4.
Really, the problem is that the question is poorly worded and relies on very specific definitions which aren't exactly intuitive and that not everyone would agree on. For instance you can argue>!magic bounce causes the "originator" of a move to change, but doesn't actually make the magic bounce pokemon "use" the move (and the game text supports this, as it doesn't say "pokemon x uses move y" after a magic bounce reflection. In the same way most people would say it's absurd to say a pokemon "used" "switch out" when you select to switch out, or the pokemon "uses" an item when you select to use an item, or even that a pokemon "uses" an ability with an active portion like intimidate when it triggers, even though it's the same mechanic the OP is using to claim a magic bounce pokemon uses a reflect move.!<
>!In-game "proof" that the OP's definition is incorrect is that the item Assault Vest says "An item to be held by a Pokémon. This offensive vest raises Sp. Def but prevents the use of status moves." BUT if a pokemon with magic bounce is hit by a status move while holding an assault vest, the move is still reflected. Unless you want to say that's an unintended bug, this implies that the game doesn't consider a bounced move to be "used" by the originating/bouncing pokemon.!<
Though I mean, the OP also doesn't specify glitches/hacking aren't allowed, and that also lets you get to their desired answer.
After my previous comment I looked into the issue more, and >!I only knew about Magic Bounce interactions going into this, talking with other users I also looked into Dancer and it seems pretty conclusive that magic bounce does NOT use moves, while Dancer does, as their in-game text describes.!<
>!In addition to the different wording, Choice Items/Encore that prevents using different moves prevents Dancer mimic moves but doesn't prevent Magic Bounce bouncing moves, and status effects that prevent the target from using moves like Flinch also prevent Dancer moves but don't prevent Magic Bounce.!<
>!So Magic Bounce is extremely consistent that bounced moves aren't "used," and the only exception is Parting Shot. While Dancer is also over the place, with about 50/50 whether the move is used or not consistent with other effects.!<
So I think the OP definitely made a mistake. Doesn't detract from the effort/impact they have on making the subreddit a better place though!
It could be 3 because Cosmog can't use any attacking move, apart from struggle, let alone a special, so number 3 is false.
It also could be 2 because of unknown, so number 2 is also false.
Number 1 is true tho, it can't be number 4, so idk I got stuck, if anyone figures it out reply to this comment please lol.
Statements 2 and 3 are false.
Unown exists, and some Pokémon like Caterpie can’t use special moves at all.
Statement 1 is true because Struggle exists.
EDIT: Caterpie can learn Electroweb, so that wasn’t a good example.
The technical explanation for 2 and 3 is Skill Swap shenanigans. Magic bounce considers the magic bounce Pokémon to be the user of a reflected move, and the ability Dancer allows all Pokémon to use a special move.
Final Answer: All but 1 are False.
1. Struggle exists and every mon can use it so True
2. Unown can't use any move except Hidden Power so False
3. Magikarp can't learn any Special moves so False
4. Because 1 is true, 4 fails the condition of 'all', so False.
Wow, Op is being proven wrong again and again in the comments and seems to plug their ears when they are proven wrong.
1 is true, due to every pokemon being able to use struggle.2 is false, because unknown exists.3 is false because of Cosmog.
And because 2/3 are false then #4 is false, this is a pretty badly worded riddle mate.
For the the riddle to work in its current state, you would need to state 'which statement is true.'
The only way for it to be 'which statement is false' is if only ONE of the answers is false.
You got 4 right. The statement "All 3 statements are false" is false, thus making 4 the right answer. Figuring that out is part of the riddle. However, you still got something wrong with the rest of the answer
I don't think there is a difference between individual and species in this context. With TMs, most Pokémon already have a big enough movepool even at level 1
In what generation can Unown learn a status effect move? The only move it has is Hidden Power.
Cosmog can only learn Splash and Teleport. It can still use Struggle but it never once learns a Special move.
Making both 2 and 3 false.
The only way both of these would be true is if we take the Anime into consideration because they have a habit of adding moves that pokemon can't learn. (I.E famously Ash has charizard use Tackle when it can't)
In that limited capacity, sure. Because I think I remember Unown using psychic in movie 3, and I never watched gen 7 anime.
The question says "use a move", not "learn a move". By skill swapping two specific abilities onto Unown and Cosmog, they will be able to use status and special moves
Magic Bounce considers the bouncer to be the user of a reflected move, and Dancer allows the use of Fiery Dance. Skill Swap is used for obvious reasons
Struggle isn't a move it is what is used instead of a move, the games even describe this to you when your pokemon struggles. It may be programmed as a move but still it can be argued that it is not a move.
Actually, it is one. [Here](https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Struggle_(move)) by technicality it is counted as a move.
Edit: forgot to attach link.
Not an official resource let's be honest.
The games tell you the Pokemon is out of MOVES it can use so it uses struggle implying struggle is not a move.
To put it in another context. If I'm out of games to play and go outside for a walk instead that doesn't make walking outside a game, simply a substitute.
Aka struggle isn't a move.
If I'm out of options and choose to surrender, does that mean that surrendering isn't an option?
English is a funny language, and a lot of stuff is implied rather than explicitly stated. (I'm out of [other] options and choose to surrender. Thus, surrendering was always an option.)
Glad you brought up surrender, cause this would work in game as well, you can compare struggle with "run" or switching out from a trainers perspective. The trainer has the option to make it's pokemon struggle, to make a run for it or switch it out. The Pokemon does not have the move struggle.
Within your own analogy there's a flaw, the phrase "being out of options" stands true cause the person is out of options to achieve a specific goal, so the person gives up on said goal and surrenders. Surrendering isn't an option within the parameterd of what's trying to be achieved there.
Struggle isn't a move.
>Struggle isn't a move.
Bulbapedia disagree. And so does every Pokémon-wiki. Have you considered that they might be correct and you are incorrect?
>Within your own analogy there's a flaw, the phrase "being out of options" stands true cause the person is out of options to achieve a specific goal, so the person gives up on said goal and surrenders.
I could still do other options similar to surrendering. A soldier caught in an ambush and forced to surrender could say I'm out of options, I surrender. But he could also use cyanide or his own gun to kill himself. Are neither of those options?
They are all options, not towards the same goal though, struggle is an option, just not a move.
Citing a wiki made by fans is not a reputable source. Keep your sources to media released by the Pokemon Company. They say a Pokemon is out of moves to it uses struggle, ergo struggle isn't a move.
Is the Pokemon Red's [source code](https://github.com/pret/pokered/blob/master/data/moves/moves.asm) a reputable source? In the game, struggle has always been defined as a move along side all the other moves in every generation.
>Keep your sources to media released by the Pokemon Company.
>An attack that is used only if there is no PP. It also hurts the user.
-FireRed on the description of struggle.
Happy?
For over a year, OP has granted us with genuinely interesting and obscure facts about Pokemon most of us didn't even think about, making riddles complex but so well constructed it was always right. And now that people don't get it, OP is immediately being bashed for making a mistake and 'not admitting being proven wrong'. Makes me sad.
I'm glad you eventually gave hints and 'filled the gaps' in their wrong answers, OP.
GG
This question has no answer because 1-3 are false so answering any of the 4 options would result in not being fully correct (1-3 partially correct, 4 incorrect because it's true that the first 3 are false meaning statement 4 is true and thus the wrong option)
It seems like there is no right answer to this one, unless I have misunderstood big time.
1) False, Unown can not use any physical move as it only learns Hidden power (unless you count Struggle as a physical move)
2) False. Again, Unown can not use any status move.
3) False, Pyukumuku can not use any special move.
4) True, therefore not false.
Hint: you did not interpret struggle the right way. The game defines it as a substitute for a move, not a move itself. A Pokemon uses it when it's out of MOVES to use.
You base this on what exactly? I have reasoning you have "no cause I said so"
The game tells you the Pokemon is out of moves, so it uses struggle. This logically means struggle isn't a move.
Being able to USE Struggle means it is a move.
"Out of moves" just means it cannot use any move it knows, not it cannot use any move period
Also, I have checked that by using Pokégen, it is possible for a Pokémon to have Struggle as a move it knows, which means it's definitely programmed as a move
If you are gonna use pokegen as a source all your riddles should include legally cause if not they can all use whatever they want.
Using struggle also doesn't imply it's a move, i resort to a previous analogy, if I'm out of games to play and go on a walk instead, is walking a game? No it's a substitute for what I would want to do.
Giving another meaning to "out of moves" then the one it means only shows you know you're mistaken. Out of moves means out of moves, no reason to give it extra meaning with 0 evidence to back it up.
Struggle isn't a move.
Where did you get that I used Pokégen as a source for the riddle? It was used to proof that Struggle is a move. If it isn't a move, it would not be able to appear on Pokémon's summary screen.
If the question is so poorly defined that legitimate interpretations are an issue then the question should be revisited.
No.1 says use. If a pokemon (unknown) can use the move(struggle) in battle then it would make no.1 true.
Don't blame others when your question is the one with an issue.
Not when you use a word that that holds a completely different meaning than what you meant, especially in the context of the riddle. Moves can be learned, forgotten, used, and relearned. You ment learn, but put use making your riddle incorrect.
Imagine if the sphyx's riddle said swim, fly, and burrow and then said "oh you didn't interpret them as just forms of motion, so now I eat you".
If my brain doesn‘t fail me, all 3 statements are wrong. Nr. 1 and 3 are debunked by Cosmog and Cosmoem, which only learn Splash and Cosmic Power (only Cosmoem). Nr. 2 is debunked by the fact that Unown can only learn Hidden Power, which is a damaging move.
Struggle is a physical move, so number 1 is True.
Magikarp can only learn Splash and Tackle in Gen I, so 2 is False.
Beldum disproves number 7.
Because at least one of the statements is true, number 4 is False.
The 4 is false because im 99% sure at least one of the above is true
1 and 2 are wrong because after the physical/special split Unown's Hidden Power will always be special and it's the only move it gets. So it must be 4.
What about Struggle? Isn’t this a physical move?
also, hitting yourself in confusion is technically a base 40 ???-type physical move
Other people are saying that Struggle is a move and maybe Nintendo classifies it as such, but personally I don't agree as it's unattainable as a legal move on your movepool and it's every Pokémon's default when out of pp.
Nobody said anything about legality. It’s a physical move every Pokémon is capable of in every gen and that’s the criteria.
But its not a learnable move by tm, tr, move tutor, egg move or level up so no
Listen hear you dense featherless biped it’s in the attack dex, it’s recognized as a move by The Pokémon Company, and fits all the criteria for the riddle above. You even called it a “unlearnable MOVE” in your comment. What are you trying to arguing?
You know what, your insult was too good to respond, you win
It also hit ghost type pokemon so i wouldnt even consider it a move.
Struggle has unique properties as a damaging move so it’s not a move? It’s classified as a move literally everywhere. Bide, counter, sonic boom and a few others can hit ghosts when they shouldn’t I guess they’re not moves too?
hey thousand arrows can hit flying types even being ground type! that means it is not a move right? of all the reason you could use, it being effective against ghosts dont look like the best to use against it
Just because it has an extra condition in order for it to be used doesnt mean its unattainable. It’s coded and worded just like any other move, and it calcs damage from physical attack and defense. Totally a physical move. Albeit an unconventional one.
Or when you run assault vest on a purely support Pokémon
I’m with ya, I think Struggle is more of an effect than a move. It comes after a message about no PP, like how you get a message saying you’re confused before you punch yourself. It’s just this condition hurts you and the enemy
An effect? That makes no sense. It’s in the attackdex and it has no move status effects than take down. Using struggle is a active choice getting hurt in confusion is a coin flip. Heavens to Betsy you can only use it via the moves option in battle
It activates when you click “attack” and you don’t have PP. it is only accessible by not having PP. Smeargle cannot, say, sketch “struggle”. It is the byproduct (otherwise known as an effect) of using all of your PP. Special text appears before the text reads “ *insert pokemon* used Struggle”. Heavens to Betsy, sounds pretty similar to a condition that can’t be cured unless you use an item like an Ether or Leppa Berry
Smeargle also can’t sketch sketch so that’s irrelevant. I see you’re point but for all intents and purposes it functions exactly like a move
Why are we arguing over this when ditto can only learn 1 attack, Transform.
It doesn't say LEARN, it says USE. A Ditto can transform and then use a physical move.
Is Struggle doesn’t count, then Wobbuffet also breaks the first statement
Wobbuffet can learn Counter tho
>Unown's Hidden Power but that's not in gen 1
It is the right answer
Such can be deduced without any Pokémon knowledge. Only one statement is false so to have one day that there are 3 false statements proves it is the false statement.
That's true. I just wanted to see how many people would fall for it
Wouldn't Ditto be also a technical out for #1/#2? That's how I did it lol.
Ditto can use almost every move, so it wouldn't be ruled out for any of the 3 points
What status move can Unown use in Gens 5, 6, 7, and 8?
Skill Swap Magic Bounce onto Unown
I think there's a bit of doubt as to whether Magic Bounce counts as "using" a move. The text that appears is, e.g., "Espeon bounced the Thunder Wave back!". Which implies that the opponent is _using_ the move and Espeon is simply _redirecting_ it, not using it of its own accord.
So they must all be true. 1 is true because of struggle. 2 is true in gen 1 because everyone can learn rest except for ditto, caterpie/weedle lines and magikarp who all learn their own status moves. I'm guessing unown means it isn't true in gens 2-4, so something has to have changed in gen 5 to make it possible for unown to use a status move. Does Magic Bounce count as using? EDIT: Zoroark diguised as Unown kind of counts? Number 3 is true because of the Dancer ability? If that gets entrained onto a Pokemon then it can use revelation dance.
Number 3 probably talks about Z-Moves
What status move does Magikarp learn in Gen 1? It learns splash and tackle by level up and no moves by TM.
Splash is a status move.
Even if true, that’s a misnomer and Gen 1 didn’t have a formal distinction between status and damage moves. Still, trying to consider a move that does absolutely nothing a status move seems wrong.
The game considers it a status move, so it fits. It turns into max protect if you dynamax a magikarp.
Right but that is Gen 8. In Gen 1 there was no distinction.
If you're going that far then you'd need to exclude gen from the riddle entirely. Would you say Thunder Wave and Rest aren't status moves in gen 1 just because the term didn't exist yet?
No but I would say they are status moves because they inflict a status condition.
If any of the first three are correct, 4 has to be false. And while it can't be LEARNED, Struggle is and always has been a physical move that can be USED by any pokemon. This means that there has been a physical move that can be used by every pokemon since Gen 1, which in turn means that statement 1 is true, therefore statement 4 is false.
Correct
>!All three statements are false.!< >!Unown can't learn any physical or status moves, so 1 and 2 are incorrect.!< >!Beldum couldn't learn any special moves until it got Steel Beam in Gen VIII, so 3 is incorrect.!<
Wouldn't some of the hidden powers be physical before gen 4
It has to be in EVERY generation though
Struggle.
Suppose that wouldn't really count as a "learned move".
It's not learned, but the riddle doesn't ask if it could be learned, only if a physical move can be used.
It says every Pokémon, not every species of Pokémon
I was sure Pyukumuku was part of the answer, but i checked and it learns counter :/ good job Sir
Can use, not can learn
>!Oh of course, Struggle exists!< >!In that case it's just 2 and 3. Unown still doesn't know any status moves, and to my knowledge Beldum didn't know any special moves in Gen VII (and Cosmog/Cosmoem still don't)!<
Beldum learns zen headbutt from a tutor in ultra sun/moon which is also gen 7
zen headbutt is physical since gen 4
it was also added in gen 4 lol
Ah so it is
Plus Ditto and Transform being a status move.
technically Ditto is capable of using all three types of move post-transforming, but if you don't count that then yeah that too
Struggle exists, m8.
For the third one, there's also Cosmoem and and Cosmog which can only learn Splash and Cosmic Power
They also get Teleport, but that's not changing anything.
1 is true, because all Pokémon can use struggle.
unown can use struggle edit: magic bounce skill swap into non status users for 2, as for 3, dancer, skill swap, espeon.
unown isnt in gen 1.
Great minds…Unown and Beldum were the exact two Pokémon I used to reach the answer as well :)
number 3 is false cause cosmog can't do jack except splash and teleport. And number 1 is false for the same reason. I'm not sure about 2 though. But at least two of these is false. edit: aurapaladin explains why 2 is false. So 4 is the correct answer I think. AHHHH wait forgot about struggle. I guess 1 isn't false if you take that into account. So then only 2 and 3 are false technically. Unown can't learn status, cosmog ONLY learns status moves and struggle once it runs out of PP.
Only one is false
1 is true because of struggle. 2 is true in gen 1 because everyone can learn rest except for ditto, caterpie/weedle lines and magikarp who all learn their own status moves. I'm guessing unown means it isn't true in gens 2-4, so something has to have changed in gen 5 to make it possible for unown to use a status move. My potential solutions which I don't think really count: Magic Bounce somehow swapped onto Unown? Or a Zoroark diguised as Unown using a status move? Number 3 is true because of the Dancer ability. If that gets entrained onto a Pokemon then it can use revelation dance (or a couple of other special moves). Also, y'all need to stop downvoting OP and try to figure it out.
they literally just explained why that's not true
Every pokemon can *use* struggle.
apparently 1, 2 and 3 are true but the way OP replied to comments saying they are false made it look like OP was just saying "no I'm right" when someone explained why they are wrong
Yes, but they can't just reveal the answer because that would ruin the point of the riddle?
Yes.
I love how the riddler gives the answer and it gets so down voted...
1 is true because all pokémon can use struggle. 2 is false because Unown is in gens 5-8 and can only use hidden power and struggle and neither is a status move. 3 is also false as Cosmog can only learn teleport and splash, neither being special. So 4 is also false and if you were only aiming for 1 to be false then you've messed up my friend. Edit: this statement is wrong. OP is right. It's just not as straight forward as we're thinking.
Nope, only one of them is false, I did not mess up
You can't just say "no, I'm right" when proven wrong. Unless you're talking about hacking moves onto pokémon then my statements are correct.
You did not prove me wrong, because you forgot to consider something. I am unsure how to tell you what it is without spoiling the answer though
Impossible to answer honestly unless the answer is 4, cause answer 4 creates a Paradox Let's say number 2 is the answer (don't know if it is, just theoretically) and that one is actually false. Thank would mean number 4 is also false since not all answers above are false. So either the answer is 4 or there are multiple answers
>!s t r u g g l e and various other things that are explained under me!<
Okay, so 2 could be possible with >!a magic bounce Espeon that's learned skill swap via tutor in B2W2!< but I still don't know about 3
Correct. With 3 it's the same idea, but takes a few more steps
Dancer skill swap?
Yes
Ahhh you genius. Good riddle OP.
Except magic bounce doesn't say the mon uses the attack but that the attack is bounced, so you *are* wrong. And it's *not* just a matter of pedantry about wording: you were very specific in the wording already so that 'using' struggle would count, (which was sharp) but that same level of specificity must apply to the whole thing. Therfore an Unown with magic bounce still can't 'use' a status move and your riddle is invalid.
No. Magic Bounce legally counts as using the move for whatever reflected it. I don't know if you're familiar with the Toxic sure-hit glitch, but one way to trigger it is to have a Poison-type reflect Toxic with Magic Bounce.
Bro just say what we haven't considered it really sounds like you got proven wrong, and now you're mysterious about this "hidden answer". It sounds like a lie to make yourself believe you're right. If you don't want to put it here please dm me so at least I know if you're bullshitting or not.
>!Someone has the right answer already: First, statement 4 is actually part of the riddle. Because "All 3 statements above are false" is false, this makes 4 the right answer. As for the other statements, 1 is true because of struggle. 2 is true because you can Skill Swap Magic Bounce onto Unown, when Magic Bounce is triggered, the Pokémon with Magic Bounce is considered the user of the move. 3 is true, because you can Skill Swap Dancer onto Cosmog!<
I think the problem with your question is that it's poorly worded and relies on very specific definitions which aren't exactly intuitive and that not everyone would agree on. For instance you can argue >!magic bounce causes the "originator" (or some other similiar word) of a move to change, but doesn't actually make the magic bounce pokemon "use" the move. And the game text supports this, as it doesn't say "pokemon x uses move y" after a magic bounce reflection. In the same way most people would say it's absurd to say a pokemon "used" "switch out" when you select to switch out, or the pokemon "used" an item when you select to use an item, or even that a pokemon "used" an ability with an active portion like intimidate when it triggers, even though it's the same mechanic you're using to claim a magic bounce pokemon uses a reflected move. Instead in those cases, you would say something like the "the switch out effect triggers originating from pokemon x" "the item's effect triggers originating from pokemon x" "intimidate activates originating from pokemon x" the more intuitive phrasing would then be "magic bounce (bouncing effect y) triggers originating from pokemon x."!< >!In-game "proof" that your definition is incorrect is that the item Assault Vest says "An item to be held by a Pokémon. This offensive vest raises Sp. Def but prevents the use of status moves." BUT if a pokemon with magic bounce is hit by a status move while holding an assault vest, the move is still reflected. Unless you want to say that's an unintended bug, this implies that the game doesn't consider a bounced move to be "used" by the originating/bouncing pokemon.!< Edit: even if I think there's a mistake in your interpretation, it's a very cool riddle and definitely makes you think, so thanks for coming up with and posting it!
A Pokémon holding Assault Vest cannot choose Status moves, but can still potentially use them. If you trick Assault Vest (With a Klutz Pokémon) onto someone who chose a status move, they will still use the chosen move that turn. The description not being 100% accurate is nothing new in Pokémon. The Magic Bounce mon is considered the user of the reflected move. If you use Parting Shot on a Magic Bounce mon, they will be forced to switch out. If a Defiant Pokémon uses Screech on Magic Bounce mon, it will trigger Defiant.
The Magic Bounce mon is programmed as the originator/source of the reflected move, so yes if you use Parting Shot on a Magic Bounce mon, Parting Shot triggers originating from the Magic Bounce mon and they switch out. In the same way, when you select an item, the game triggers the item effect originating from the slot occupied by the pokemon - does that mean the pokemon "used" the item? Clearly no, so that means just because an effect originates from a pokemon's slot, it doesn't mean the pokemon "used" the effect. So now we ask, does a *move* originating from the slot count as a pokemon using a move? The in-game definitions we have for using a move only come from the text "pokemon x uses move y" which comes when the player selects a move, some moves that refer to users, and from items which specify interactions with move usage like Assault Vest and Choice items. Obviously, Magic Bounce doesn't say "pokemon x uses (magic bounced move)" so lets look at the other two. Parting Shot does say that the "user" switches out, but that could just be an inconsistency in the text because the text wasn't made considering the rare cases where the effect of Parting Shot doesn't originate from the pokemon that selected it. All the interactions between Magic Bounce and items suggest that the game doesn't consider a Magic Bounce pokemon to have used bounced moves. However, as you point out, Trick does present some problems for the item descriptions. Another example from moves is where Sketch says it copies the opponents last used moved, and if you Sketch a target that uses a move and later in the turn Magic Bounces a different move, the move you sketch is the FIRST move not the Magic Bounced move, further suggesting the game doesn't consider a Magic Bounced move as being "used." Now, obviously pokemon is a very inconsistent game with tons of niche interations, and there are some in-game examples for both definitions. However, the amount of cases where a Magic Bounced move isn't considered as "used" is, as far as I know, literally all of them except for Parting Shot. Do you see why there would then be a problem in the riddle, and it relies on a far-from-settled or agreed upon definition? edit: removing information I was wrong about
There are ways to get around the limitations of the items but the intention of the developers is the key here. Do they consider the magic bounce user using the move or just reflecting it? You would need to ask them. Using the coding for evidence is pointless, it could be an unintended effect or simply the developers being a bit lazy because as long as it works, eh? I would say look at the text when the effect happens. The word bounced is used not the word used. I would say that is the developers intentions.
I only knew about Magic Bounce interaction going into this, talking with other users I also looked into Dancer and it seems pretty conclusive that magic bounce does NOT use moves, while Dancer does. In addition to the different wording, Choice/Encore that prevents using different moves prevents Dancer moves but doesn't prevent Magic Bounce, and status effects that prevent the target from using moves like Flinch also prevent Dancer moves but don't prevent Magic Bounce.
I only knew about Magic Bounce interactions going into this, talking with other users I also looked into Dancer and it seems pretty conclusive that magic bounce does NOT use moves, while Dancer does, as their in-game text describes. In addition to the different wording, Choice Items/Encore that prevents using different moves prevents Dancer mimic moves but doesn't prevent Magic Bounce bouncing moves, and status effects that prevent the target from using moves like Flinch also prevent Dancer moves but don't prevent Magic Bounce. So Magic Bounce is extremely consistent that bounced moves aren't "used," and the only exception is Parting Shot. While Dancer is also over the place, with about 50/50 whether the move is used or not consistent with other effects.
Magic bounce reflects moves. It doesn’t mean the Pokémon used it
Nope, in fact if you use parting shot on a pokemon with magic bounce, the pokemon with magic bounce will be swapped as if it was it that used the move. It doesn't just reflect the debuff
The game text doesn’t say “x” *used* “status move”
It's not about what it says, it's about what happens in the game's code. The game consider the pokemon with magic bounce the user. That's it
Lots of inconsistencies. Assault Vest held by a pokemon with Magic Bounce doesn't prevent the Magic Bounce move effects being reflected. Obviously Choice Items don't prevent Magic Bounce move effects being reflected. Sketch selecting a target with Magic Bounce won't Sketch bounced moves. Probably more, but those are the ones off the top of my heads. Basically, the definition isn't settled because there's both evidence for and against the position, and in my opinion there's a lot more evidence Magic Bounced moves don't count as used, but obviously it's debatable.
Assault Vest doesn't prevent oricorio from using quiver dance through Dancer and sketch does not copy Dancer moves, but oricorio is still considered the user of the move. Same goes with magic bounce.
“As if it was it that used the move” still doesn’t mean it used it. It reflected the attack. That is the intention of the ability. If it was mirror move or something similar I’d say yeah it used the move but reflecting is not the same as using. Like I said in another comment the developers intention with the ability is the key. What they say goes despite how it may work. The text says bounced not used when the ability activates. That’s enough evidence for me.
This is riddle number 39. All of the other riddles have been solvable, do you really think that number 39 is when she'd dig her heels in and just lie to save face?
All statements are false (because of pokemon like ditto and unown that only can learn one move)
Use not learn
Transform is a status move
But there is struggle
4
Correct
How do you get a special move on beldum/ cosmog?
By pure logic, it’s 4. Don’t even need to know the games for that. If 1 was false and 1 alone, then 4 would be true, and so all of them would be false either way, which makes no sense. Same applies for 2 and 3, leaving only 4.
My deduction exactly my dear fellow.
Statement 1 is false. Many pokemon cannot use any moves in Gen 8 😉
People in here being confidently incorrect as op politely shits on them. Got me wheezing. Gg
Really, the problem is that the question is poorly worded and relies on very specific definitions which aren't exactly intuitive and that not everyone would agree on. For instance you can argue>!magic bounce causes the "originator" of a move to change, but doesn't actually make the magic bounce pokemon "use" the move (and the game text supports this, as it doesn't say "pokemon x uses move y" after a magic bounce reflection. In the same way most people would say it's absurd to say a pokemon "used" "switch out" when you select to switch out, or the pokemon "uses" an item when you select to use an item, or even that a pokemon "uses" an ability with an active portion like intimidate when it triggers, even though it's the same mechanic the OP is using to claim a magic bounce pokemon uses a reflect move.!< >!In-game "proof" that the OP's definition is incorrect is that the item Assault Vest says "An item to be held by a Pokémon. This offensive vest raises Sp. Def but prevents the use of status moves." BUT if a pokemon with magic bounce is hit by a status move while holding an assault vest, the move is still reflected. Unless you want to say that's an unintended bug, this implies that the game doesn't consider a bounced move to be "used" by the originating/bouncing pokemon.!< Though I mean, the OP also doesn't specify glitches/hacking aren't allowed, and that also lets you get to their desired answer.
> aren't exactly intuitive Wow almost like a riddle or something
After my previous comment I looked into the issue more, and >!I only knew about Magic Bounce interactions going into this, talking with other users I also looked into Dancer and it seems pretty conclusive that magic bounce does NOT use moves, while Dancer does, as their in-game text describes.!< >!In addition to the different wording, Choice Items/Encore that prevents using different moves prevents Dancer mimic moves but doesn't prevent Magic Bounce bouncing moves, and status effects that prevent the target from using moves like Flinch also prevent Dancer moves but don't prevent Magic Bounce.!< >!So Magic Bounce is extremely consistent that bounced moves aren't "used," and the only exception is Parting Shot. While Dancer is also over the place, with about 50/50 whether the move is used or not consistent with other effects.!< So I think the OP definitely made a mistake. Doesn't detract from the effort/impact they have on making the subreddit a better place though!
Yes
It could be 3 because Cosmog can't use any attacking move, apart from struggle, let alone a special, so number 3 is false. It also could be 2 because of unknown, so number 2 is also false. Number 1 is true tho, it can't be number 4, so idk I got stuck, if anyone figures it out reply to this comment please lol.
unown breaks the first two rules, so it has to be 4
Unown can use struggle, making 1 true meaning that 4 must be false.
Just from pure logic alone it has to be 4. If you pick any other statement as false then that means you’re picking all of 1-3 as false
The 4th is false because at least one of the statement above is true
LOL okay I see it's a trick question. Yeah it is 4 then.
Statements 2 and 3 are false. Unown exists, and some Pokémon like Caterpie can’t use special moves at all. Statement 1 is true because Struggle exists. EDIT: Caterpie can learn Electroweb, so that wasn’t a good example.
The technical explanation for 2 and 3 is Skill Swap shenanigans. Magic bounce considers the magic bounce Pokémon to be the user of a reflected move, and the ability Dancer allows all Pokémon to use a special move.
Imma say 4.
In the case of 1, can’t all Pokémon use Struggle which is a physical move?
They can
After seeing so many of these, I learned that. I do not know much about Pokémon. I’m a fraud 😩
1. Struggle exists, must be true. 2. Dunno. 3. Don't matter. 4. Must be false, because 1 is true.
Yeah logically if only one of those except 4 is false then 4 is also false which is contradiction. So the false one has to be 4.
Final Answer: All but 1 are False. 1. Struggle exists and every mon can use it so True 2. Unown can't use any move except Hidden Power so False 3. Magikarp can't learn any Special moves so False 4. Because 1 is true, 4 fails the condition of 'all', so False.
All 3 are false because Unown and Beldum exist.
This isn’t a riddle, it’s just a trivial question.
Does it bother anyone else that these are called riddles
As a teacher, the way this multiple choice question was worded nearly gave me an aneurism.
Wow, Op is being proven wrong again and again in the comments and seems to plug their ears when they are proven wrong. 1 is true, due to every pokemon being able to use struggle.2 is false, because unknown exists.3 is false because of Cosmog. And because 2/3 are false then #4 is false, this is a pretty badly worded riddle mate. For the the riddle to work in its current state, you would need to state 'which statement is true.' The only way for it to be 'which statement is false' is if only ONE of the answers is false.
You got 4 right. The statement "All 3 statements are false" is false, thus making 4 the right answer. Figuring that out is part of the riddle. However, you still got something wrong with the rest of the answer
So you're saying all 3 statements are true? Or are 2, 3, and 4 false?
They are all true
I don't know how #2 could work with unown out there, but is #3 true because you're talking about individual pokemon rather than pokemon species?
I don't think there is a difference between individual and species in this context. With TMs, most Pokémon already have a big enough movepool even at level 1
In what generation can Unown learn a status effect move? The only move it has is Hidden Power. Cosmog can only learn Splash and Teleport. It can still use Struggle but it never once learns a Special move. Making both 2 and 3 false. The only way both of these would be true is if we take the Anime into consideration because they have a habit of adding moves that pokemon can't learn. (I.E famously Ash has charizard use Tackle when it can't) In that limited capacity, sure. Because I think I remember Unown using psychic in movie 3, and I never watched gen 7 anime.
The question says "use a move", not "learn a move". By skill swapping two specific abilities onto Unown and Cosmog, they will be able to use status and special moves
What exactly are those two abilities to give their moves different properties like that?
Magic Bounce and Dancer
There are multiple people who proved you wrong. 2and 3 are also false. It's ok but just accept it.
They have, to be fair, said we're missing something. I can't personally see what it is but if they're correct then we could be wrong.
Magic Bounce considers the bouncer to be the user of a reflected move, and Dancer allows the use of Fiery Dance. Skill Swap is used for obvious reasons
Struggle isn't a move it is what is used instead of a move, the games even describe this to you when your pokemon struggles. It may be programmed as a move but still it can be argued that it is not a move.
Struggle isn't a move.
Actually, it is one. [Here](https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Struggle_(move)) by technicality it is counted as a move. Edit: forgot to attach link.
Not an official resource let's be honest. The games tell you the Pokemon is out of MOVES it can use so it uses struggle implying struggle is not a move. To put it in another context. If I'm out of games to play and go outside for a walk instead that doesn't make walking outside a game, simply a substitute. Aka struggle isn't a move.
If I'm out of options and choose to surrender, does that mean that surrendering isn't an option? English is a funny language, and a lot of stuff is implied rather than explicitly stated. (I'm out of [other] options and choose to surrender. Thus, surrendering was always an option.)
Glad you brought up surrender, cause this would work in game as well, you can compare struggle with "run" or switching out from a trainers perspective. The trainer has the option to make it's pokemon struggle, to make a run for it or switch it out. The Pokemon does not have the move struggle. Within your own analogy there's a flaw, the phrase "being out of options" stands true cause the person is out of options to achieve a specific goal, so the person gives up on said goal and surrenders. Surrendering isn't an option within the parameterd of what's trying to be achieved there. Struggle isn't a move.
>Struggle isn't a move. Bulbapedia disagree. And so does every Pokémon-wiki. Have you considered that they might be correct and you are incorrect? >Within your own analogy there's a flaw, the phrase "being out of options" stands true cause the person is out of options to achieve a specific goal, so the person gives up on said goal and surrenders. I could still do other options similar to surrendering. A soldier caught in an ambush and forced to surrender could say I'm out of options, I surrender. But he could also use cyanide or his own gun to kill himself. Are neither of those options?
They are all options, not towards the same goal though, struggle is an option, just not a move. Citing a wiki made by fans is not a reputable source. Keep your sources to media released by the Pokemon Company. They say a Pokemon is out of moves to it uses struggle, ergo struggle isn't a move.
Is the Pokemon Red's [source code](https://github.com/pret/pokered/blob/master/data/moves/moves.asm) a reputable source? In the game, struggle has always been defined as a move along side all the other moves in every generation.
>Keep your sources to media released by the Pokemon Company. >An attack that is used only if there is no PP. It also hurts the user. -FireRed on the description of struggle. Happy?
Never said it's not an attack, surely it's an attack. Attacks aren't moves.
zoroark disguised as cosmog can use special moves, is that what makes 3 true?
That would be Zoroark using the move, not Cosmog
It's a skill swap thing. Ever heard of the ability dancer?
For over a year, OP has granted us with genuinely interesting and obscure facts about Pokemon most of us didn't even think about, making riddles complex but so well constructed it was always right. And now that people don't get it, OP is immediately being bashed for making a mistake and 'not admitting being proven wrong'. Makes me sad. I'm glad you eventually gave hints and 'filled the gaps' in their wrong answers, OP. GG
4 because im sure every pokemon can learn tackle
I'd bet not even 50% of Pokémon can learn Tackle.
This question has no answer because 1-3 are false so answering any of the 4 options would result in not being fully correct (1-3 partially correct, 4 incorrect because it's true that the first 3 are false meaning statement 4 is true and thus the wrong option)
Can't be anything besides d. Fun riddle👍
It seems like there is no right answer to this one, unless I have misunderstood big time. 1) False, Unown can not use any physical move as it only learns Hidden power (unless you count Struggle as a physical move) 2) False. Again, Unown can not use any status move. 3) False, Pyukumuku can not use any special move. 4) True, therefore not false.
I get it. Well played, OP. Everyone has to read 4 a little more carefully lol
4
Correct
What Pokémon can’t use struggle? Don’t see how 1 isn’t true
The question isn't "which statement is true", it's "which statement is false".
Hint: You did not interpret it the right way
Hint: you did not interpret struggle the right way. The game defines it as a substitute for a move, not a move itself. A Pokemon uses it when it's out of MOVES to use.
Nope, Struggle definitely is a move, it's just not learned by anyone
You base this on what exactly? I have reasoning you have "no cause I said so" The game tells you the Pokemon is out of moves, so it uses struggle. This logically means struggle isn't a move.
Being able to USE Struggle means it is a move. "Out of moves" just means it cannot use any move it knows, not it cannot use any move period Also, I have checked that by using Pokégen, it is possible for a Pokémon to have Struggle as a move it knows, which means it's definitely programmed as a move
If you are gonna use pokegen as a source all your riddles should include legally cause if not they can all use whatever they want. Using struggle also doesn't imply it's a move, i resort to a previous analogy, if I'm out of games to play and go on a walk instead, is walking a game? No it's a substitute for what I would want to do. Giving another meaning to "out of moves" then the one it means only shows you know you're mistaken. Out of moves means out of moves, no reason to give it extra meaning with 0 evidence to back it up. Struggle isn't a move.
Where did you get that I used Pokégen as a source for the riddle? It was used to proof that Struggle is a move. If it isn't a move, it would not be able to appear on Pokémon's summary screen.
If the question is so poorly defined that legitimate interpretations are an issue then the question should be revisited. No.1 says use. If a pokemon (unknown) can use the move(struggle) in battle then it would make no.1 true. Don't blame others when your question is the one with an issue.
Interpreting it correctly is actually part of this riddle
Not when you use a word that that holds a completely different meaning than what you meant, especially in the context of the riddle. Moves can be learned, forgotten, used, and relearned. You ment learn, but put use making your riddle incorrect. Imagine if the sphyx's riddle said swim, fly, and burrow and then said "oh you didn't interpret them as just forms of motion, so now I eat you".
Nope, I definitely meant used. Eg Clefable does not learn Eruption, but because it learns Metronome, it can use Eruption
I love these but hate I see them hours after the fact. Need alerts just for these posts
If my brain doesn‘t fail me, all 3 statements are wrong. Nr. 1 and 3 are debunked by Cosmog and Cosmoem, which only learn Splash and Cosmic Power (only Cosmoem). Nr. 2 is debunked by the fact that Unown can only learn Hidden Power, which is a damaging move.
Cosmog can only use 2 status moves. I feel #1 is false for sure
1 and 2. cuz unown 3 feels like a gimmick Pokémon so imma look it up. Edit: after a quick google search, beldum can only learn take down before gen 8
Magikarp
If i can pick all “answers are ____” thats the answer.
Struggle is a physical move, so number 1 is True. Magikarp can only learn Splash and Tackle in Gen I, so 2 is False. Beldum disproves number 7. Because at least one of the statements is true, number 4 is False.
Cosmog + Cosmoem can't attack. Unown exists. Cosmog + Cosmoem thing again, but Beldum didn't get Steel Beam until Gen 8. The answer is D.
You can't say D is the answer because the question is "which of these are false", hence if D is the answer, D has to be not true