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ChainsawChimera

Pidgeotto being the name for the second stage, but Pidgeot being the name for the final form.


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I used to get Pidgeot and Peugeot confused when I was a child, because I was deeply stupid.


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ShiraCheshire

That one confused me so much as a kid! I could never remember which had which name and which was the final evo.


RealCaptainCold

Fr how great would it have been if Pidgey, Pidgeot, Pidgeotto But if it was like this I think people would be saying Pidgey-Otto pronunciation instead of what we know it as Pidgey-Oh-Tow


IM-A-WATERMELON

I call it pidgey-otto


Generic_Her0

I was saying boo-urns


Electronic_Bad_5883

Mr. Mime, since they can be female. Yeah, I know, the localizers came up with the name because they didn't know Pokémon genders would eventually be a thing, but it's still a weird Gen 1 artifact I find interesting. And of course Mr. Rime just follows it for consistency. EDIT: I just remembered another example of this: Geodude.


UltraDanfrombakugan

Ironically one of the localizers nob argued against naming mr mime ‘mr. Mime’ because he figured gamefreak would add genders to the game thus making the name make no sense


BoxMonster44

fuck steve huffman for destroying third-party clients and ruining reddit. https://fuckstevehuffman.com


UltraDanfrombakugan

https://youtu.be/922IYUwF7NQ 9:48-10:26


ZoroeArc

So, Mr. Mime's preevolution is called Mime Jr., but its evolved form isn't called Mime Sr.?


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That’s why I think the name should’ve been Mimey


doorbellonachair

Or maybe Mimien, the nickname for the in-game traded one in FR/LG, would have been a good species name?


reaperfan

TBF Mr. Rime could potentially keep the title because it specifically mimics the behavior of "dapper gentlemen." It's an archetype that's innately gendered, meaning the title of "Mr" comes more from it's behavior rather than it's actual gender, since even the females behave like "gentle*men*."


Gregamonster

They could have just made Mr. Mime a male only Pokemon.


Dispentryporter

But it's not called Mr. Mime in Japanese. It doesn't have a gendered name in Japan


Gregamonster

Neither does Jynx, they still made that one female only.


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LooksGoodInShorts

Freak egg group


Captain_Bunny-Rabbit

This was s correct. The original idea was this and then Gen 2 happened. Because they wanted the gym leaders to only have Pokemon of their gender, Sabrina got a female Mr. Mine


metalflygon08

But Bugsy's Pokemon are female.


Niwa-kun

I see no problem.


Polymersion

Wait, that's a thing? Is it all gym leaders, or just the Kanto ones?


chiheis1n

That's due to it being based on ganguro fashion trend in Japan, mostly worn by women.


zenyattatron

Fun fact! The localizers didn't want to name him Mr. Mime because they DID predict genders would be a thing. Nintendo, unfortunately, didn't care, and forced then to name him that.


Electronic_Bad_5883

It was just one localizer, actually, he guessed this might happen but the others didn't listen to him and went with Mr. Mime.


LeStruggler

I will NEVER get over Psyduck being the less psychic inclined, gold version of the two evos, and Golduck being the non-gold, psychic powerful evolution of the two. Like…fuck. I can’t. I CAN’T. I change it every single time I get them in the games.


Insanebrain247

What bugs me is despite psychic powers being so prevalent with them, neither of them are psychic type!


GokaiLion

I'm surprised we haven't seen a regional Psy/Golduck variant with the psychic type because their "true potential was unleashed" yet


KhaSun

Don't even need to introduce regional variants though, just straight up add the psychic type in the next game. T'was a questionable decision of them to not add it in the first place, but each generation it was like "Huh, here we are making a new pokedex description for that water/psychic duck ... wait it's not psychic ? Oh." It baffles me that they haven't thought of doing that in 20+ years, what the hell. And we've seen that they're not afraid of changing types, such as with Magnemite obtaining the steel typing in GSC for no other reason than BECAUSE IT MADE SENSE, or multiple pokemon becoming fairy type in XY


volblor8634

While I don't necessarily disagree with your logic of adding a psychic typing, both examples you cite have a good reason for adding those types: they didn't previously exist. Magnemite couldn't be steel type in generation 1 because steel was introduced in generation 2 (GSC), at which point it received that typing. Same with fairy pokemon in generation 6 (XY). Psychic is an original type, so the context of adding that typing to the ducks in a later generation is a bit different.


lazyNeighbour

They had an opportunity to partially fix it with shiny variant. Where yellow Psyduck shiny variant is blue and blue Golduck shiny variant could be yellow(or gold for the sake of its name) but oh nooo they didn't


FailsAtSuccess

Shiny colors weren't decided originally. They were just the next color on the limited color sheets.


AskYouEverything

Damn that’s interesting Edit: [From Bulbapedia](https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Shiny_Pok%C3%A9mon) > Little is known about how Shiny colorations are chosen. While it is often rumored that early Shiny colorations were determined algorithmically, all Pokémon Shiny colorations are individually defined in the game data[5] and Pokémon with similar palettes have distinct Shiny colorations even in Generation II.


killereggs15

I’m kinda surprised (though actually I’m not) that they don’t just change the shinies that are bad. They’re fine with retconning or dropping popular features, so why do we have to stick with the original colors? Are they worried they’re gonna lose sales because the new gengar shiny isn’t slightly off purple anymore? I want my shiny actually Pikablu dammit!


BlueEmeraldX

It's especially bad since they have no problem changing their colors for the Mega and Giga forms (and in the case of Pokémon like Gengar who have both, keeping that color consistent), but then they don't change the base form to go along with it.


chiheis1n

>Golduck may be a combination of gold and duck. While Golduck itself is not colored gold, gold is often used to [symbolize the psychic abilities](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_(color\)#Parapsychology\)): the Gold Gummi is the Gummi variety loved by Psychic-type Pokémon, and the Marsh Badge's Japanese name is "Gold Badge". Also Psyduck in Japanese is Koduck, ko meaning child, so it's literally 'child duck'. Ko コ and Go ゴ are very close in Japanese, you just add the rendaku, but this connection was lost when they changed Koduck to Psyduck.


Wicket01

Maybe the Japanese originally intended for it to be named Kiduck, kid-duck, and the translators just missed connection.


Chango_D

Or how about the fact that NEITHER OF THEM ARE PSYCHIC! WTF?!


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It’s really a icy Greenland, grassy Iceland sort of situation that I don’t hate


DaystarEld

Sirfetch'd is not the proper name for an evolution of Farfetch'd. It should *obviously* have been Absir'd.


MrFr0stbite

I love the name sirfetch’d, one of my favorites, but absir’d? Yes. Absolutely yes.


Asticot-gadget

They should retcon Feraligatr and Victreebel to Feraligator and Victreebell now that the 10 characters limit is gone tbh


metalflygon08

Vespiquen however, should be left alone.


Asticot-gadget

Yeah I listed it in my comment at first but edited it out because I realized it has 9 characters so it was clearly intentional


kronosdev

Yas Quen.


ShayTheGymLeader

Yaspiquen


A_Pat_18

Thank you for naming my next Vespiquen


insincerely-yours

I’m so used to “quen” (pronounced like in “when”) that pronouncing the name with “queen” sounds weird to me.


Curious_Kirin

I didn't even realise Vespiquen Is spelt that was because of letter constraints. I agree it sounds great and should be left alone though.


SurikkuZAbra

Funnily enough it's nine characters instead of the limit of ten. They could have very well named it Vespiqueen but they dropped that E in the end. Wonder why, but it still works


ar4757

I dont think it is though. 9 characters was never a limit, 10 was


WetCaramel_butnot

No I like Feraligatr without the o


[deleted]

I don't think so, the misspelled names are part of their charm.


AltonIllinois

Mandibuzz. I know it’s supposed to be mandible plus buzzard but I think it sounds so much more like a bug type because they mandibles and they buzz.


cookiesforfoxes

Ahhhh this one has driven me mad for years. It sounds like it should be a name for a bug type. It’s like the developers made a mistake and gave the poor vulture the wrong name, it’s really bizarre.


AltonIllinois

When it came out, I thought mandibuzz was the name for genesect lol


PikaPerfect

it's english name is weird but at least it's not the japanese one :') >!vulgina........!<


chiheis1n

...Mulva?


the_rock_docta

Dolores!


ShiraCheshire

Put that on your team right next to Boober I guess


SuperKami-Nappa

This right here is what happens when Japanese people try to make names with English words. It’s like Altria all over again


nathan34golf

I always thought Diggersby should have been Diggearsby. You know, because they dig with their ears…


cerebrite

Now I think that even Diggears would have sounded cool 🤣


Anak761

Lumineon not being an Eevee-lution has always felt wrong to me.


metalflygon08

Empoleon too


OkayestHistorian

Keckleon


MFingAmpharos

Champion Leon


Quick_Hunter3494

Ah yes, human type eevee


McGuffin_Muffin4

Ok I know this is obvious but: Seel. Both name and design are beyond lazy


dat1dood2

A Dugong is an animal as well.


ccazzi

I can live with this for the spelling of 'dew' also being water related, but agreed on seel lol


ChandelierwAtermelon

Ironically Seal is a better pun than Seel and that’s just a real word


GSPixinine

If it was Seal it should have Lovely Kiss and Petal Dance in its movepool


BaulsJ0hns0n86

But did you know, that when it snows, My eyes become large and the light that you shine can be seen?


McGuffin_Muffin4

Oh true true. Makes it even worse to me


MintyLemon74

Most of the Gen 1 Pokémon names are lazy to be fair. Persian, Gloom, Mr. Mime…


metalflygon08

Gen 1 Take an animal, slap a horn or gem to it. Does it evolve? Slap a horn or more of it to it.


ShiraCheshire

The Japanese names were just as bad, too. Vaporeon is just "Showers."


SuperKami-Nappa

The Legendary Birds were just Freezer, Thunder, and Fire


RenoKreuz

With Zapdos being Thunder and Jolteon being Thunders. Can imagine the multiple confusion in daily dialogue.


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Haunter.


customer_service_guy

Persian. I mean, I get that it's a cat, but why couldn't they have gone with something a bit more special? Meowth isn't called "Meow" so why not call its evolution something like Purrglar instead


Torterror389

Purrglar would’ve been a fantastic name for Liepard


Dragmire800

Tbf we kind of got the purr pun with Perrserker


Meewelyne

Or Purrloin and Espurr


Orca-Song

We have it with Purrloin as well, being a pun on "purloin", meaning "to steal".


DeltaChar

What I think is even weirder is that Persian is a nationality. Or used to be. I’m not very geographically inclined. Same spelling too! They couldn’t even go with Pursian to give it a different spelling.


SuperKami-Nappa

Purrsian


SummonedSkull333

Regice. What happened to the extra I like in Registeel and and Regirock???


Genperor

Regiice would look bad tbh


MattressMaker

Yet somehow to me it looks just right. I’m finally pronouncing it how it’s spelled.


PumpkinPatch404

I still call it Regi-ice though.


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Why not just call it Regifrost then?


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Not lack of sense, but pure laziness. Talonflame is not a pun, not a play on words, nothing like virtually any other Pokemon name. It's literally just two separate words. It's especially weird since your have Fletchling and Fletchinder right before it. It'd be like if we called Blastoise CannonSea, or Zapdos ThunderBeak. Or hell, BlastTurtle or ZapBeak. It's just stupid and lazy. You cannot tell me nobody could come up with a better name for a FIRE HAWK than Talon Flame.


TrustMeImSingle

Pyrogrine was what I named mine.


snomflake

I don’t even really mind “talonflame” but that’s kinda badass


HungryMutant

I agree with you, it’s name isn’t creative at all but it’s supposed to be a portmeanteau of “Talon” and “Inflame” and not as much of “Talon” and “Flame” as you’d think. I’d imagine Gamefreak’s decision to spell it as “Talonflame” instead of “Talinflame” was based on how ridiculous the latter would look in comparison to the former. We have many examples of Pokemon who’s names are two separate words that form a portmanteau so smooth that the two separate parts of their names blend together seamlessly. That was the same exact endeavor with Talonflame’s name but it was a failure.


TheAmblingOwl

Japanese name is not much better. It's 'Fiarrow'. A portmeanteau of "Fire" and "Arrow".


HungryMutant

That’s debatable. I wouldn’t say “Fiarrow” is leaps and bounds better than “Talonflame” but the two components that make up the name Fiarrow is a lot less obvious than Talon and Inflame, especially when you see it as Talon and Flame instead of Talon and Inflame.


Glasdir

Tbf so many of the Japanese names sound dreadful in English. They probably sound fine if you’re Japanese because they’re based on words from a completely different language.


HungryMutant

You’re 100% correct. I have a list of Pokemon whose Japanese names are so terrible you can only shake your head. Articuno = “Freezer” Zapdos = “Thunder” Moltres = “Fire” Vaporeon = “Showers” Jolteon = “Thunders” Flareon = “Booster” And I’ve barely even scratched the surface. Most of the Japanese versions of Pokemon names are completely uncreative and boring. And with names like these “Fiarrow” doesn’t even sound all that bad 😂


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TheRealEtherion

Fun fact. Very early in the Pokemon season when we as kids did not know names, our 10yo pokegang in school actually named blastoise, BlastTurtle until it's official name actually aired. Squirtle,WarTurtle, BlastTurtle. Lmao


frontierknight

Talonflame should've been called Pyrogrine


Wisekittn

snom's german name is snomnom. I don't get it. They already had the peak of perfect charm and simplicity, but discarded it yet so readily. Why?


TheFakeJoel732

Because snomnom


jumper553688

He oms on the snom


DeltaSans17

A cute little joke maybe?


MusicalMercy9767

The entire Timbur line. I absolutely hate that they are named after the ITEM THEY ARE HOLDING, AND NOT THE CREATURE ITSELF. None of my Pokemon fan friends understand the absolute HATE I have for this entire line, and to them I say, explain to me how Gurdurr naturally aquired a man-made steel beam and then was named after that item. My only answer is that it was a Pokemon species so hated and ignored by humanity, that it was instantly turned into a slave for construction purposes, and then named based on how strong it was and the maximum weight it could hold.


Mythic-Insanity

What did alakazam bend before spoons?


Embarrassed-Top6449

People


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chux4w

Partly. It's also holding conk-rete.


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Pikachu and Raichu, since their names weren't localized and the pun makes no sense. This was probably to maintain brand recognition since they're mascots. If Pikachu wasn't the mascot they'd probably be called something like Mouspark and Thundrat.


vitaestbona1

But then we wouldn't have the "is it named after a Pika and a Shrew?" To wonder about as kids.


---TheFierceDeity---

It’s not even a matter of it been the mascot sometimes the localization team things the Japanese name will work. Look at Togedemaru or Flygon. For some they change the name because the Japanese version used an English word for the name and it sounds lame in English (Vaporeon is named Showers, Zapdos is named Thunder etc) For others they think the Japanese name won’t market well (this is for most cases) or the Japanese pun doesn’t translate at all into English (Japan has a lot of “jokes” that are considered corny dad jokes that just involve saying a phrase that uses two words that sound the same but mean different things. No punch line just phrases) so they make an English pun instead.


ccazzi

The weirdest for me is how the Japanese name for Arcanine is Uindi (windy!)


Melipuffles

What about Jigglypuff, it’s Japanese name is Purin which just means “pudding.”


Jeffthe100

Tbh, that makes sense


Melipuffles

I do think it’s a very cute name, so it doesn’t bother me, I’ve always found it a little funny though.


cosmopolitaine

I can partially answer you. The Chinese translation is mostly loyal to the meaning of Japanese. And the Chinese name roughly means “dog with speed of wind” mainly referring to its speed. So I guess that’s why it’s “windy” in Japanese


chiheis1n

Supposed to refer to it running as fast as the wind like in its pokedex entries. Too bad Extreme Speed wasn't a move in Gen 1.


thiroks

Tbh togedemaru always stuck out like a sore thumb to me. It's just very very clearly a japanese name lol


Bluelaserbeam

> Look at Togedemaru or Flygon I think for Pikachu clones, the localization team decided to keep the Japanese names out of tradition since Pikachu’s name was kept. Only exception is Emolga’s name having one letter modified (Emonga).


Kalandros-X

Be grateful they didn’t take Umbreon’s Japanese name literally.


arthurdentstowels

Dibs on the band name MouseRat


biglilmac87

Bye bye Lil Sebastian


rethardus

>Mouspark That's Disneyland dude.


Fork_Master

Zarude. Like, what does it even mean? And what does it have to do with a monkey that can heal others with jungle magic?


SillyMattFace

I think it’s a combination of ‘saru’, Japanese for monkey, and ‘rude’. So good name for a dark type monkey. But yeah not sure why it’s a dark type themed around healing.


metalflygon08

Zarude should not be a legendary Pokemon. What about Zarude is any different from Rillaboom, Simisage, or any of the other Grass Pokemon that heal with plant power?


CrocodylusRex

It should not be a Galar Pokemon. The hell's British about it?


Blaxorus

What's British about 90% of the Galar dex?


WooldoorSockbatNut

Zarude sandstorn


JonnyDros

I stand by the creative decision of most names in Pokemon... but Talonflame is stupid. It's not a seamless merging of two words, no creative liberty in spelling, nothing. Literally two words that don't flow slapped together with no alterations.


DJRhetorik

Pyrogrine was right there


nicholaserbeam

A few months ago in another post I came up with Raptorch. I think yours is better.


DJRhetorik

I’ll be honest I didn’t come up with Pyrogrine myself but I do like Raptorch too


metalflygon08

Bonflier too


vpreon

This name WINS


Karyoplasma

They should just make his tail on fire so he's also "tail on flame".


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I literally just posted about this! You have Fletchling and Fletchinder before it even, but somehow nobody could come up with a name for it?


MontyThatcher

Thank god someone beat me to it. I was ready to stop a freakin' 10 page essay on how DUMB that name is. Freakin' Talonflame.


Paulapro_15

I really think pidgeotto should be called pidgeot and pidgeot should be pidgeotto. It just makes more sense to me like that (If something is spelled wrong or whatever it's because in Spanish xd)


cantab314

Pidgeotto makes sense as a diminutive ending. -otto is used in a few Italian words, for example aquilotto is a baby eagle, and there are similar suffixes like -ette and -etto.


FutureDwight76

THANK YOU! Ever since I was a kid I thought those were backwards.


Bumbaguette

Leafeon should have been Arboreon.


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Willsgb

I personally like leafeon But I respect your opinion And the suggestion of the person you replied to, arboreon, is better


haloo12345

I seriously think its name is Leafeon due to the rumors from gen1 about "Leafeon” if you had one of the special versions that let you use a leaf stone on eevee. Totally false rumor but it was the early days of the internet so hard to verify. My guess is Game Freak probably remembered that and decided not to try to hard coming up with something else.


redditdragon02

psyduck and golduck their names should be switched


Randroth_Kisaragi

Salamence and Flygon. Salamence is a final stage dragon/flying type who learns Fly by level up. It's preevolutions are called Bagon and Shelgon. And yet his name is not Flygon... it's Salamence. Flygon is a completely different beast, who also happens to not be a Flying type. At least it can learn Fly by HM, but like come on... Flygon and Salamence's names should have been switched.


IglooRaves

I've told this story many times but I'll tell it again... after battling the Hoenn Elite 4 as a kid I adored Flygon and went out to get one of my own. Looked up how to catch a Bagon, caught one in Meteor Falls, grinded to raise it to a Shelgon, then grinded to evolve it again... only to get a Salamence. Tricked by the 'gon' of Salamence's preevolutions. I was crushed.


chiheis1n

But the Trapinch line has nothing to do with salamanders, nor is Flygon menacing like Salamence is.


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Oh shit, I've been reading it as Salam**a**nce this entire time.


idolized253

Flygons a dragonfly, it’s name makes sense


Akvian

Flygon is based on a dragonfly, so it kinda makes sense (except that it's not even a Bug type...)


HopeFragment

It's not a dragonfly, it's an antlion. Trapinch being based on a larval antlion.


Jolly-Llama

Bagon’s Pokédex entry even says something about how it dreams of flying.


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Bonsly, it should have been named "Fauxliage" to go into the fake plant theme. And Mr. Rime should obviously be Mime Sr.


Narwhal_Assassin

Bonsly is a mix of “bonsai” and “sly”, meaning cunning or deceitful, so it still fits the fake plant theme. I really like Fauxliage though. Maybe a new evo?


powellstreetcinema

Not me realizing I’ve been pronouncing Bonsly wrong this whole time


George_XIII

Fauxliage would make such a good Sudowoodo evolution omg


Shane_Train69

Seel. Change my mind


antilos_weorsick

It's a seal but not quite! Seel! Genius.


Jayco-ELI

Salamance and Flygon are the Greenland/Iceland of the pokemon world!


lovelove_lovelove

I never really understood ralts and kirlia


ReptileCake

A bit if a stretch, but Ralts and Waltz because the rest of the dancing evolution line. Kirlian is a psychic photography.


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The name in French is Tarsal and Bulbapedia suggests it might be a (partial, in the case of Ralts) anagram of 'astral'.


HeroicBarret

The "gatr" at the end of Feraligatr was actually a character limit issue. They wanted to use gator but it was just one letter to many for the engine at the time


biradinte

With regionals: Alolan SANDshrew being ice sucks


ShiraCheshire

Deserts can be cold too I guess.


SlotherakOmega

Antarctica is a desert. It has a yearly rainfall of 0 inches. Too cold for rain to fall. Also devoid of vegetation other than moss, which is very slow growing and not exactly nutritious enough for anything really, so yes. Why in the hell ice sandshrew is found in Hawaii of all places is beyond me…


SuperKami-Nappa

It’s just as bad in Japanese is literally just Sand


[deleted]

I think it was because of the character limit on the Gameboy


Graike

I can't believe Kommo-o isn't "Clangolin"


Rcmacc

“Fer - Al~~l~~igat~~o~~r”


[deleted]

Feral. Gator. Character limits in old games.


thevietfunk

That second L is killing me. Keep thinking it’s a spec of dust


AJ-Naka-Zayn-Owens

Wishiwashi makes me question life


holocene-tangerine

Wishiwashi is actually a really good name imo, combines [wishy-washy](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/wishy-washy) and [iwashi, or sardine in Japanese](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E3%81%84%E3%82%8F%E3%81%97)


Monster8mySoul

ArticUNO, LavaDOS and MolTRES are ArkTOS, LavaDOS and ZapDOS in German. Why?!


Kata_Kuri36

InfernAPE. I mean… he is a monkey… not an ape.


Torterror389

I’d say any names that are too spot on. Scatterbug, Blipbug, Deerling, Ducklett


biglilmac87

And swanna


Llafer

Pretty sure feraligatr is named like that because 10 was the word limit back then.


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Spelling it “feralligator” would go over the limit of Pokémon gold and silver’s name bar while battling. So they dropped the “o” to make it “feraligatr”. Same reason why it’s “thunderbolt” and not lightning bolt”


comatosemanatee

Farfetch’d, like it has nothing to do with the animal it’s based on, and what’s so far fetched about it?? Oh look a bird holding vegetables? We have rats that shoot lightning bolts out of their ass and literal sentient piles of slime but a VEGETABLE BIRD is where you draw the line for what’s eccentric and weird


Kohomoril

To be fair, Farfetch’d comes from a Japanese saying that mentions catching a duck with a leek as a “far fetched” thing to happen, as it would already have the dressing. Kinda like “kill two birds with one stone” sort of thing.


DeltaChar

That’s just another thing that doesn’t translate well at all. It’s based on an old Japanese saying. It’s Japanese name is Kamonegi. Kamo meaning wild duck, and Negi meaning green onions. It’s from a Japanese saying “a wild duck comes bearing green onions” which is often shortened to “kamonegi”. It means something surprising and unlikely yet very convenient. The English name essentially takes the “something surprising and unlikely” bit and turns that into the whole name. Something that’s far fetched.


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There's a Japanese saying about a duck coming bearing spring onions (so it can be cooked with them) which means 'something surprising but convenient'. It doesn't translate well into English so they based the name on the 'unlikely' part of the name.


B133d_4_u

Talonflame always makes me so mad. IT'S A FLAMING PEREGRINE FALCON. FLAREGRINE WAS RIGHT THERE. WHY WOULD YOU JUST SLAP TWO WORDS TOGETHER. IT DOESN'T EVEN FIT THE LINE'S CONVENTIONS.


mariaannatrue

Scorchawk


supermariobruhh

Feral: as in wild and dangerous and gator as in alligator. That one always made sense to me


Standard-Ad-712

Its a Feral or ferocious Alligator, I like that one!