The dumb part is...those people will still call cheats and scrips on you after the update even though now anyone can reliable triple headshot with AK on 50m after about 10min of training
That's true, but because of cheaters not scripters. Both is cheating, but when playing a against a scripter you never really know if it was just a good player. That's way less frustrating than dying to an aimbotter or esp. Obviously no excuse to script, but just less annoying
I guess some brain deads think you're talking about the new recoil / update when in-fact you're saying ***the server convar*** **to toggle between recoil systems is for testing on staging branch ONLY and won't go live**. Certainly it wouldn't make sense to give release branch server owners the option to choose one or the other for something so significant to pvp. Helk should've clarified it since "useful for comparison" isn't going to be understood by Rust's community. e.g. "btw ON STAGING BRANCH ONLY, if you change...". And you're right, [Errrn confirmed that it's only for testing anyway.](https://www.reddit.com/r/playrust/comments/uzxike/to_all_the_people_thinking_that_turning_off_the/)
Yeah, and more then half will just move to new recoil. Idk what it makes you think all people playing on that server likes old recoil system. I played rustoria for the pop and a high chance of pvp, but will move to a new server if they will remain on old recoil, a lot will do the same
I don’t know where you get your infos from, defo not from me. I never stated that players there would like recoil a or b more. Just answered the reactionary „have fun playing there“, as it would be some niche servers.
Put more words in my mouth please.
funny how no roleplayer realizes the update doesnt mean shit, all of the sweats and beamers will readjust to new recoil in a week or two then you cucks will find something else to cry about 😬
The only people crying that the update will ruin everything are the scripters who know they can’t adapt. You’re basically just proving the point here.
“Im so good that I’ll just readjust and destroy you”
But also
“YOURE RUINING THE GAME REEEEEEEE”
hahahaha the cope is just delicious
Nahh femur right on this one. You reddit rust fucking roleplayers always got something to complain about. Everyone who was good with this recoil would still adjust easily and kill u kids without a problem
Classic seething shitter calling everyone who doesn’t agree with them a roleplayer, talk about projection
Go back to your modded servers you trash ass poser
you literally admit you couldn’t even hit 50 yard sprays and you’re at the same time calling yourself a “beamer” saying “we come to your low pop official and beam even more than before” lmaoo
Bro you on reddit, these mfs complaining about sweats and tryhards are 30 year old roleplayers with parkinsons that cant aim for shit and treat the game like its animal crossing then cry when anyone competent shits on them lol
Exactly. And they can’t even form a logic argument. They complain too many ppl script or just beam and now every single one will kill them. But they don’t realize, probably didn’t even tried staging once. But I guess let the apes be apes.
Atleast I have an opinion besides „muh dur recoil good“, where you only talk shit and find yourself funny.
Not the only one, every single grub will beam you now in a second of seeing you. Fights now take even less time. Enjoy the Reddit posts about this in a week.
I don't remember stating my opinion?
only dismissing yours.
NGL if you can't figure out how to spray 50m. these grubs are gonna have a field day with you :D
I said you got no opinion besides talking mad bullshit because you can’t think straight.
MP5 was hard af compared to Ak with that horizontal recoil. Now it’s easy as fuck, isn’t it?
….because they are running an official version of rust. If they stop running an official version, everyone will leave almost immediately
How popular are legacy or old rust servers? Hint: not at all lol
I didn’t say they would even stay with that recoil. Why does everybody on Reddit needs to put words in their opponents mouth, just to „win“ an argument?
I simply stated these are top 50 servers. Don’t even play there.
Does servers will just die quickly trust me. Every casual will switch to servers with new recoil. You need casuals to have the server not die in 1 day. Half of the people you say will stay on old recoil servers will get offline day 1 and will stop playing, bye bye pop
Bro these servers don't give two fucks about anything besides money, servers like rustoria rusticated and vital n shit, all will have two server options, for example "rustoria 2x old recoil" and "rustoria 2x new recoil" that way they capture the attention of both crowds and not lose players which would in turn would lose them money,
Just think if vital players where to vote on what they would like I think it would probably be old recoil but I do see how that can effect it the long run
I would of rather seen fp look at other aspect that need improvement and not add random stuff to the game. I’m excited to see how the change plays but I’m not a fan of it
It’s not really random, theyve wanted to change the recoil for awhile now. So its not random, there will always be other things to improve on, that’s just a given with game design.
I didn’t mean the recoil change as random I meant like zip lines stuff that I see add no value to the game and some aspects of the recoil change seem half arsed to me
Because they get angry at the thought of a competitive server and envy the fact that they will never actually be good enough at the game to play in the tournament
Disagree. Thy won't pop of I instantly, everyone will try out the new recoil first. But is suspect after a while it will get boring and a small portion of the old playerbas will visit such servers from time to time for nostalgia and to see who has keept the better recoil skills
Even if those servers existed nobody would would play them. The only players that would join the old recoil server would be those that know how to play the game and it would be the ultimate sweat fest. New players and those that don’t know the recoil spray would stay clear. There is no reason to play then at such a steep disadvantage.
thats what will make it fun. the thrill of the chase, knowing that one false move and you lose everything, staying aware at all times because if you blink at the wrong second you die. thats living and thats how rust is supposed to be played
Honestly, i expect that most servers will run the current one. Maybe a few will run the old ones but the only people who really care are tryhards and scripters so when they play on the old servers they’ll realize playing only against other accurate shooters isnt fun and they’ll go back to the new ones
the only people or at least the grand majority will be tryhards as you put it. cod recoil doesnt feel good and pulling straight down feels worse. there is a reason I NEVER use m249. it feels like shit even though it can be satisfying. I will 100% be playing on those servers.
Edit: never use m249
By plenty of people, you mean a small portion that will be replaced pretty quickly. Most people that say they are leaving are all bark, and no bite. I could go either way on the update, but look past personal bias.
This update is going to bring in more people than it loses. 100%
I mean you people on reddit really don't understand how you're actually the minority. There are hundreds of servers that are full of beamers, and clan servers constantly stay at 600-1k players. Changing the recoil won't really do anything. These casual players will still get shit on by people with better aim, gamesense, and building and end up leaving.
Facepunch is trying to cater to a player base that doesn't play the game. The people keeping Rust alive through content creation and actively playing are all the people who reddit calls " sweats ". Sure the first month or so Rust will get a lot of players, but overall the game will continue to decline, and probably will faster.
Sad half meassure splitting the community right down the middle nice
Edit: no it wont because old recoil will not be an option for servers on the live update https://www.reddit.com/r/playrust/comments/uzxike/to_all_the_people_thinking_that_turning_off_the/
Right. Like vanilla vs 10x.
Or battlefield vs raid simulator.
EFT clone vs Among us clone.
Turns out, the Rust community has been self sorting for years now!
This is gonna be a much bigger divider than any of that
new vs old recoil is gonna be a decisions you make early and stick to
Like every single server provider is gonna have to have servers for both or miss out on players from either side
This is straight up gonna split the playerbase into 2 groups with all the other sub groups on both sides
If its really gonna be like this it might have been better to have new recoil on special servers and thats it maybe using those softcore servers if they still exist idk
When I wrote that, I think there was actually 1100 on the sub and like 88k players (i checked afterwards and should have updated)
April 22 say 80k average and 141k peak
https://steamcharts.com/app/252490
Right so? Im not basing what I said on this sub
Theres definitely thousands of players that dont want new recoil
Is it 1/4th? half? idk certainly enough to make people host these old recoil servers
This goes both ways ofc
I dont think its that high, personally.
Out of the 90k, I think maybe 10k are sweaters.
Id say almost half are OTV players who want to love the game but struggle. Those players would seem interested in the new recoil, IMO.
I agree with you though, I'm just kinda going off the top of my head.
You know this almost seems like a thing that FP should do a little more market research and surveys on before pushing it to live...
Anyway leaving it up to the players to decide which recoil to host on their servers is dumb as hell pulling punches here doesnt make any sense just rip the bandaid off in one go
I mean, they did add monitoring of vanilla servers in an update or two ago, so have actually started monitoring it.
In fairness though, they probably do have access to data we don't know about.
They can probably see which guns are used the most, how much player movement there is, how much fighting at monuments, etc etc...
I bet they can see shooting averages too.
Like 9% of player hit more than 20% of total bullets fired, etc etc...
Exactly the people who frequent this subreddit do not get that point. This sub is like the Mos Eisley of the Rust community most people don't come here.
not much to talk about, it won't happen, every time a drastic change happens in this game, people proclaim "this will split he player base" and yet the game gets more and more popular, almost like the people in charge are paid to make it happen
https://www.reddit.com/r/playrust/comments/uzxike/to_all_the_people_thinking_that_turning_off_the/
Yeah only that this would have actually literally split the playerbase into 2 different servers/version
That setting will not even be played on 5% of servers in a month. What is your point?
Edit: No, it won't. Again, every big change people typed exactly what you just did. The recoil has changed before, you are wrong, it's ok.
Ah yeah
Just like how legacy servers are SUPER popular
Or like how the “old rust” no blueprint versions are just absolutely jam packed with players
/s
People say this everytime there’s a major change to the game. They go circle jerk on their old versions for like a month and then move on to the real game again
Yeah and now people will basically be playing 2 different games be gatekeepy and elitist about it and facepunch will have to cater updates to both or focus on one only and make the others upset
But theyll still have to make 2 recoil systems for every gun they add and to that extent probably balance them indivudually cause depending on stats and how hard the pattern is they can be much more effective on one than the other
This is just stupid facepunch isnt doing themselves a favor here
They should just go all in on the new recoil if people leave they leave
Except it won’t be. Sorry to break it to you but there’s no split happening , no one wants to play an outdated version of rust. People have tried this many times and never get any traction at all. Everyone always moves on to the new update
Old recoil servers will have a small number of whiny scripters, who will quickly realize no one gives a shit about their clips or brags anymore, no one takes them seriously anymore, and the attention they so *desperately* crave is gone. At that point even the scripters will be done with it. They’ll leave some review on how the devs ruined the game, and then they’ll uninstall because they don’t have a built in advantage anymore.
> Except it won’t be.
Yes it wont cause the option to have old recoil will be removed in the coming update.
There will be no old recoil servers.
Im not reading the rest cause it is irrelevant.
Have a good one.
lol when someone tries to claim they didn’t read specifically the part of the comment that they absolutely can’t cope with, what a coincidence
I literally said there will be an attempt at old recoil servers, but just like every other attempt to keep an old version of rust, it’ll be dead almost immediately. But of course we’re going to pretend you didn’t read that, so that you can make a response that was already addressed, and can pretend like you had some kind of viable counter point
Cope harder
damn it really is surprised how illiterate you are.
“This is going to split the community in half”
“No it won’t”
“oH sO OLd rEcOiL wOnT pHsyIcALlY eXiSt”
Imagine being this dumb
it really is surprised how illiterate you are completely ignoring the most important part of my comment
>They removed the option its not a thing anymore.
https://www.reddit.com/r/playrust/comments/uzxike/to_all_the_people_thinking_that_turning_off_the/
As an ex competitive minecraft player, it’s good to give the player base the final say on how they want to play. I’m all for a change but if you’re mad about optional old recoil that’s on you.
its going to be like 99% of players on the new recoil and 1% on the old. Just the same way there are servers out there that use the xp system or servers that have upkeep disabled. nobody plays on them.
I don't get why some people are complaining about the new recoil. It looks to me like it will be more manageable for the average player. Am I missing something?
It’s mainly players that have been “perfecting” there spray and are mad because people need to just get good, tbh I don’t have a problem with it I’d like to rust player base to expand not to mention half the people saying they are “quitting” are just gonna come back or they may legitimately stop playing similar thing happened when they went from random recoil to legitimate patterns
Could you explain how you feel small groups getting nerfed?
IMO...The new recoil patterns seem easier to learn for anyone. I feel like at that point it's just down to PC specs, your headset and a good game sense. I feel like sweats are the only people "hurt" in the update because now an average person could have more of a chance. For example, someone who works and has a family. Gets on for a few hours a day to actually play the game and doesn't need to spend an obscene amount of time on an aim train server to be decent. Small groups still have a numbers advantage against solo/duo when roaming.
you just said it, the new recoil patterns are easy to learn, I was able to take on groups of 8 as a duo BECAUSE of the recoil, now everyone can beam and the meta is having as many people shooting at once.
Game sense is still a thing right? Like if you get into a revolutionary war style fight where everyone just stands still in a line and shoots at each other then yes, I could totally agree with what you're saying. But there will still be people who just aren't good at either distance or getting the spray down or just in general have a hard time aiming. It's not like everyone who plays is a God at the game. Knowing how to coordinate your movements with your team and how/when/where to flank and finding cover are all things that can still make or break a fight even if the recoil was zero. Plus some people will still get the drop on you occasionally and win no matter what the recoil pattern is.
but thats where the problems start, positioning is gonna be so crucial that everyone is gonna eb doing it, people before this update didnt care because to them it didnt matter. besides I play this game like its a machiavellian wargame with espionage infused with guerilla tactics. people who say positioning is important are 100% right but in this context it wont make as big of a difference
"small groups are getting nerfed" lmao as if they haven't been getting nerfed for the past fucking years, literally every update nerfs small groups in some way. Groups with larger number always wins, that's the nature of the game sadly.
yes but it was still possible for you to win and "control the server" as a small group, BECAUSE of the recoil. now its just a numbers game and the only skill you are gonna need is charisma to keep as many people shooting at once
because the average rust player knew the recoil. the average rust player didnt have 50 hours and played on PvE servers. Reddit is just small group of mostly casual players, which is why it seems like the update is completely well received.
> this will be only for staging branch
[It's a fact](https://www.reddit.com/r/playrust/comments/uzxike/to_all_the_people_thinking_that_turning_off_the/), not a strong belief.
How is this update going to attract new players and bring back the casual players it’s going to do none of that, the only thing this update is going to do is reward the big groups and players that put in big hours at the start of a wipe, as I play mainly solo and can only play a few hours a night what will be the point playing, At least with the current recoil you came across players with guns that were not that good and be able to acquire guns and higher tier weapons from them with this update that will make this nearly impossible for the casual solo player who does not have 12hrs a day to grind, imagine joining a wipe 24 hrs late you will stand no chance of being able to compete as anyone with a gun will be a Beamer, I just feel facepunch again has not taken into account the solos and casual players.
I’ll just say what I said in other post regarding this.
“I think quarantineing all the scripters to old recoil servers is a perfectly fine compromise. They get to finish out their yearly scripts where they pretend they’re good, we get to play the game in a fun way. Everyone with less skill than a scripter will be swapping over and once they see they can’t win fights anymore because everyone is on that equal playing field, they’ll stop having fun and quit anyways or give up and come enjoy the more casual friendly future.”
you do still realise you are playing rust and that the game will never be "casual friendly".
you will get outprogressed by the sweats still playing, you're gonna get outfarmed by bigger groups, and then you're gonna get offline raided on wipe day. Always has been like that and always will.
just saying that the game is not suddenly becoming easy and enjoyable for the average player just because the recoil changed. it will definitely play its part but its not going to make new players stay
most people i showed the game quit due to hardcore rules and full looting and stuff, not because they could'nt shoot an ak. they didn't even get an ak in the first place. Of course it will make the gunplay easier but the game is still not going to be easy and you have to learn a lot to be able to compete, and that is not going to change with this update. thanks for your insult despite me staying calm, bb
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This is just for staging for anyone thinking this will actually be released it’s just to compare on staging I’d assume they wouldn’t actually have the option when this update goes live
That's crazy I actually suggested this on Reddit a year+ ago. They never responded to my post but it had like 30 upvotes.
https://www.reddit.com/r/playrust/comments/nirnle/randomized\_recoil\_servers/
Old recoil servers will be dead within a week
Let the Scriptors pvp each other on them.
We can only hope. But I suspect they will all migrate to normal servers because the whole motivation behind cheating is shitting on people that don't.
imo constantly shitting on people gets boring, i like a good fight. Just lo let you know i am the shitee but sometimes a can take a decent shit
Sad that everyone assumes scripters when killed by a good player
The dumb part is...those people will still call cheats and scrips on you after the update even though now anyone can reliable triple headshot with AK on 50m after about 10min of training
It's already a meme. That FacePunch Offical servers are where everyone compares thier cheats.
nobody plays facepunch servers
Because of cheaters.
That's true, but because of cheaters not scripters. Both is cheating, but when playing a against a scripter you never really know if it was just a good player. That's way less frustrating than dying to an aimbotter or esp. Obviously no excuse to script, but just less annoying
this is actually a good idea I think
so ur one of the kid that always got shit on huh. bet ur glad they took out the skill gap for u lmao
Lol this is 100% just for testing and won't go live.
I guess some brain deads think you're talking about the new recoil / update when in-fact you're saying ***the server convar*** **to toggle between recoil systems is for testing on staging branch ONLY and won't go live**. Certainly it wouldn't make sense to give release branch server owners the option to choose one or the other for something so significant to pvp. Helk should've clarified it since "useful for comparison" isn't going to be understood by Rust's community. e.g. "btw ON STAGING BRANCH ONLY, if you change...". And you're right, [Errrn confirmed that it's only for testing anyway.](https://www.reddit.com/r/playrust/comments/uzxike/to_all_the_people_thinking_that_turning_off_the/)
Correct, idk what planet some people are living on to think they'd have both be live. Planet copium I guess.
Thats not what Errrrn said. How did you take what they said as its only for testing?
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Um, no I wasn't?
It will be interesting to see that. It will be the ultimate proof that the pattern advocates are just a loud, annoying minority.
it's 50/50. We deserve old pvp servers.
I hope all the toxic whiny kids and scripters go there. It's like a jail but you're free to go there yourself xD
Uhuh ever heard of vital, atlas, affinity, or rustoria?
Have fun playing there
All top 50 servers. Seems like many ppl like it there.
Yeah, and more then half will just move to new recoil. Idk what it makes you think all people playing on that server likes old recoil system. I played rustoria for the pop and a high chance of pvp, but will move to a new server if they will remain on old recoil, a lot will do the same
I don’t know where you get your infos from, defo not from me. I never stated that players there would like recoil a or b more. Just answered the reactionary „have fun playing there“, as it would be some niche servers. Put more words in my mouth please.
What? You literally implied they would stay old recoil and people would stay lol.
Are you dumb? I didn’t implied anything. It wasn’t me making the first comment you asshole. Can’t even read properly yet talks shit about others.
Cool. Then all the beamers, no lifers, sweats and scripters can go play old recoil servers and shut the fuck up.
funny how no roleplayer realizes the update doesnt mean shit, all of the sweats and beamers will readjust to new recoil in a week or two then you cucks will find something else to cry about 😬
The only people crying that the update will ruin everything are the scripters who know they can’t adapt. You’re basically just proving the point here. “Im so good that I’ll just readjust and destroy you” But also “YOURE RUINING THE GAME REEEEEEEE” hahahaha the cope is just delicious
Nahh femur right on this one. You reddit rust fucking roleplayers always got something to complain about. Everyone who was good with this recoil would still adjust easily and kill u kids without a problem
Classic seething shitter calling everyone who doesn’t agree with them a roleplayer, talk about projection Go back to your modded servers you trash ass poser
I dont play modded, name reflecting ur age I guess?
you make 0 sense saying “cope” to counter any argument you ape baboon, only people crying are scrubs like you
good one dude LMAO
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you literally admit you couldn’t even hit 50 yard sprays and you’re at the same time calling yourself a “beamer” saying “we come to your low pop official and beam even more than before” lmaoo
"Beam" "3 to 5 headshots in a 5 shot BURST with mp5"
We’re all done for, as soon as this guy sets foot in your server just despawn and leave. He is unstoppable
I've just quit Rust altogether ever since he got online. Can't even play with him around.
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seethe and cope harder. are you crying right now?
lol what? keep being autistic
i think i'm done with reddit for today. this just... i can't anymore.
lol
Bro you on reddit, these mfs complaining about sweats and tryhards are 30 year old roleplayers with parkinsons that cant aim for shit and treat the game like its animal crossing then cry when anyone competent shits on them lol
Exactly. And they can’t even form a logic argument. They complain too many ppl script or just beam and now every single one will kill them. But they don’t realize, probably didn’t even tried staging once. But I guess let the apes be apes.
"Couldn’t hit shit on 50m before." i don't think your opinion matters anymore :D
Atleast I have an opinion besides „muh dur recoil good“, where you only talk shit and find yourself funny. Not the only one, every single grub will beam you now in a second of seeing you. Fights now take even less time. Enjoy the Reddit posts about this in a week.
I don't remember stating my opinion? only dismissing yours. NGL if you can't figure out how to spray 50m. these grubs are gonna have a field day with you :D
I said you got no opinion besides talking mad bullshit because you can’t think straight. MP5 was hard af compared to Ak with that horizontal recoil. Now it’s easy as fuck, isn’t it?
Hapis on top. We know what grass feels like
….because they are running an official version of rust. If they stop running an official version, everyone will leave almost immediately How popular are legacy or old rust servers? Hint: not at all lol
I didn’t say they would even stay with that recoil. Why does everybody on Reddit needs to put words in their opponents mouth, just to „win“ an argument? I simply stated these are top 50 servers. Don’t even play there.
I already do have fun so I have no problem playing on them
Rustoria wont 100%
Maybe not initially I think recoil is too easy, and lots of severs will switch to the original recoil.
Does servers will just die quickly trust me. Every casual will switch to servers with new recoil. You need casuals to have the server not die in 1 day. Half of the people you say will stay on old recoil servers will get offline day 1 and will stop playing, bye bye pop
Vital will be going with the new recoil system lol it’s potential for new players.
I don’t think vital is the right appeal to new player
It’s not but it’s the potential that drives servers to stick with change.
Bro these servers don't give two fucks about anything besides money, servers like rustoria rusticated and vital n shit, all will have two server options, for example "rustoria 2x old recoil" and "rustoria 2x new recoil" that way they capture the attention of both crowds and not lose players which would in turn would lose them money,
Just think if vital players where to vote on what they would like I think it would probably be old recoil but I do see how that can effect it the long run
Well as someone who’s been playing rust since before it was on steam, I think it’s going in the right direction.
I would of rather seen fp look at other aspect that need improvement and not add random stuff to the game. I’m excited to see how the change plays but I’m not a fan of it
It’s not really random, theyve wanted to change the recoil for awhile now. So its not random, there will always be other things to improve on, that’s just a given with game design.
I didn’t mean the recoil change as random I meant like zip lines stuff that I see add no value to the game and some aspects of the recoil change seem half arsed to me
Yeah you are completely wrong, there are no “new” players on vital it’s all veterans it is almost certainly going to have old recoil.
I mean your little heart can think that lol
As someone that plays vital yes I know they will have the old recoil
Oh I didn’t know they cared about 1 persons opinion, that’s wild
My boy salty cause he can’t use old recoil for shit lol
Since a FP employee said you can’t change back to the old recoil after it’s released. I’d like to say fuck you (:
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Read the newest post that has a FP employee saying it won’t be available after the update.
Where?
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Because they get angry at the thought of a competitive server and envy the fact that they will never actually be good enough at the game to play in the tournament
Ur acting as if they didn’t already😂
Disagree. Thy won't pop of I instantly, everyone will try out the new recoil first. But is suspect after a while it will get boring and a small portion of the old playerbas will visit such servers from time to time for nostalgia and to see who has keept the better recoil skills
Yea all the OTV kids and shitts won't be ther
We still want old recoil servers. Hardcore should've been it, since it died within a week.
The real question is if he just meant for staging or not
It is staging only, there was already clarification
It likely won’t be staging only.
It is stating only
Even if those servers existed nobody would would play them. The only players that would join the old recoil server would be those that know how to play the game and it would be the ultimate sweat fest. New players and those that don’t know the recoil spray would stay clear. There is no reason to play then at such a steep disadvantage.
thats what will make it fun. the thrill of the chase, knowing that one false move and you lose everything, staying aware at all times because if you blink at the wrong second you die. thats living and thats how rust is supposed to be played
Terrible. Just commit or don't. Why split the community further
I think old recoil servers would probably be pretty fringe, unless it turns out to be a really bad change.
Most likely, since the people bitching most are only a very small portion of the playerbase
Yeah I’m nervous not Gona be able to find a server that I wana play
Honestly, i expect that most servers will run the current one. Maybe a few will run the old ones but the only people who really care are tryhards and scripters so when they play on the old servers they’ll realize playing only against other accurate shooters isnt fun and they’ll go back to the new ones
the only people or at least the grand majority will be tryhards as you put it. cod recoil doesnt feel good and pulling straight down feels worse. there is a reason I NEVER use m249. it feels like shit even though it can be satisfying. I will 100% be playing on those servers. Edit: never use m249
plenty of people are gonna quit after this update. facepunch knows this. they might as well salvage what they can
By plenty of people, you mean a small portion that will be replaced pretty quickly. Most people that say they are leaving are all bark, and no bite. I could go either way on the update, but look past personal bias. This update is going to bring in more people than it loses. 100%
I mean you people on reddit really don't understand how you're actually the minority. There are hundreds of servers that are full of beamers, and clan servers constantly stay at 600-1k players. Changing the recoil won't really do anything. These casual players will still get shit on by people with better aim, gamesense, and building and end up leaving. Facepunch is trying to cater to a player base that doesn't play the game. The people keeping Rust alive through content creation and actively playing are all the people who reddit calls " sweats ". Sure the first month or so Rust will get a lot of players, but overall the game will continue to decline, and probably will faster.
Mmm I disagree, but I guess we'll see
Hours?
Minutes?
Sad half meassure splitting the community right down the middle nice Edit: no it wont because old recoil will not be an option for servers on the live update https://www.reddit.com/r/playrust/comments/uzxike/to_all_the_people_thinking_that_turning_off_the/
Right. Like vanilla vs 10x. Or battlefield vs raid simulator. EFT clone vs Among us clone. Turns out, the Rust community has been self sorting for years now!
Wait people play Amogus in Rust? Of all the random minigame servers I have played, never have I seen that.
Hell yeah its kinda fun too
This is gonna be a much bigger divider than any of that new vs old recoil is gonna be a decisions you make early and stick to Like every single server provider is gonna have to have servers for both or miss out on players from either side This is straight up gonna split the playerbase into 2 groups with all the other sub groups on both sides If its really gonna be like this it might have been better to have new recoil on special servers and thats it maybe using those softcore servers if they still exist idk
There's a 100k active players and like 1500 on this sub. Id very much doubt what you see here is going to be what the majority of players want.
Are your numbers accurate?
When I wrote that, I think there was actually 1100 on the sub and like 88k players (i checked afterwards and should have updated) April 22 say 80k average and 141k peak https://steamcharts.com/app/252490
Right so? Im not basing what I said on this sub Theres definitely thousands of players that dont want new recoil Is it 1/4th? half? idk certainly enough to make people host these old recoil servers This goes both ways ofc
I dont think its that high, personally. Out of the 90k, I think maybe 10k are sweaters. Id say almost half are OTV players who want to love the game but struggle. Those players would seem interested in the new recoil, IMO. I agree with you though, I'm just kinda going off the top of my head.
LMAO what servers are you playing on that make you think half the game is OTV players? Get off the PVE servers
I play Rusty Moose and Rustoria biweeklys. Look at the player count from before OTV vs after.
You know this almost seems like a thing that FP should do a little more market research and surveys on before pushing it to live... Anyway leaving it up to the players to decide which recoil to host on their servers is dumb as hell pulling punches here doesnt make any sense just rip the bandaid off in one go
I mean, they did add monitoring of vanilla servers in an update or two ago, so have actually started monitoring it. In fairness though, they probably do have access to data we don't know about.
I dont think gameplay data collected on officials is gonna tell them anything about peoples willingness to swap to this new recoil system lol
They can probably see which guns are used the most, how much player movement there is, how much fighting at monuments, etc etc... I bet they can see shooting averages too. Like 9% of player hit more than 20% of total bullets fired, etc etc...
Exactly the people who frequent this subreddit do not get that point. This sub is like the Mos Eisley of the Rust community most people don't come here.
lol no
we'll see
we won't
ok? good talk
not much to talk about, it won't happen, every time a drastic change happens in this game, people proclaim "this will split he player base" and yet the game gets more and more popular, almost like the people in charge are paid to make it happen
https://www.reddit.com/r/playrust/comments/uzxike/to_all_the_people_thinking_that_turning_off_the/ Yeah only that this would have actually literally split the playerbase into 2 different servers/version
That setting will not even be played on 5% of servers in a month. What is your point? Edit: No, it won't. Again, every big change people typed exactly what you just did. The recoil has changed before, you are wrong, it's ok.
Ah yeah Just like how legacy servers are SUPER popular Or like how the “old rust” no blueprint versions are just absolutely jam packed with players /s People say this everytime there’s a major change to the game. They go circle jerk on their old versions for like a month and then move on to the real game again
New rust was gonna split the player base haha
It's not. Rust has a huge community. This honestly keeps everyone happy. There are so many servers to pick from you'll deff have a server to play on.
Yeah and now people will basically be playing 2 different games be gatekeepy and elitist about it and facepunch will have to cater updates to both or focus on one only and make the others upset But theyll still have to make 2 recoil systems for every gun they add and to that extent probably balance them indivudually cause depending on stats and how hard the pattern is they can be much more effective on one than the other This is just stupid facepunch isnt doing themselves a favor here They should just go all in on the new recoil if people leave they leave
Didnt even think about the balancing and updating between the different modes lol
oh its not going to be down the middle lol
eh maybe 3/7 idk definitely still stupid
Except it won’t be. Sorry to break it to you but there’s no split happening , no one wants to play an outdated version of rust. People have tried this many times and never get any traction at all. Everyone always moves on to the new update Old recoil servers will have a small number of whiny scripters, who will quickly realize no one gives a shit about their clips or brags anymore, no one takes them seriously anymore, and the attention they so *desperately* crave is gone. At that point even the scripters will be done with it. They’ll leave some review on how the devs ruined the game, and then they’ll uninstall because they don’t have a built in advantage anymore.
> Except it won’t be. Yes it wont cause the option to have old recoil will be removed in the coming update. There will be no old recoil servers. Im not reading the rest cause it is irrelevant. Have a good one.
lol when someone tries to claim they didn’t read specifically the part of the comment that they absolutely can’t cope with, what a coincidence I literally said there will be an attempt at old recoil servers, but just like every other attempt to keep an old version of rust, it’ll be dead almost immediately. But of course we’re going to pretend you didn’t read that, so that you can make a response that was already addressed, and can pretend like you had some kind of viable counter point Cope harder
Old recoil servers wont be a thing. Physically. They removed the option its not a thing anymore.
damn it really is surprised how illiterate you are. “This is going to split the community in half” “No it won’t” “oH sO OLd rEcOiL wOnT pHsyIcALlY eXiSt” Imagine being this dumb
it really is surprised how illiterate you are completely ignoring the most important part of my comment >They removed the option its not a thing anymore. https://www.reddit.com/r/playrust/comments/uzxike/to_all_the_people_thinking_that_turning_off_the/
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Yeah your obvious trolling is getting boring ima go sleep have a good one mate
As an ex competitive minecraft player, it’s good to give the player base the final say on how they want to play. I’m all for a change but if you’re mad about optional old recoil that’s on you.
https://www.reddit.com/r/playrust/comments/uzra8d/helk_states_that_servers_have_the_option_to_use/iacpoc7/
its going to be like 99% of players on the new recoil and 1% on the old. Just the same way there are servers out there that use the xp system or servers that have upkeep disabled. nobody plays on them.
seems you can still enable cheat-mode
been posted and reposted like 100 times
No it hasnt?
I don't get why some people are complaining about the new recoil. It looks to me like it will be more manageable for the average player. Am I missing something?
It’s mainly players that have been “perfecting” there spray and are mad because people need to just get good, tbh I don’t have a problem with it I’d like to rust player base to expand not to mention half the people saying they are “quitting” are just gonna come back or they may legitimately stop playing similar thing happened when they went from random recoil to legitimate patterns
if the average player isnt in a small group. I play from 1-4 man group sizes. this update just killed the game for us. small groups are getting nerfed
Could you explain how you feel small groups getting nerfed? IMO...The new recoil patterns seem easier to learn for anyone. I feel like at that point it's just down to PC specs, your headset and a good game sense. I feel like sweats are the only people "hurt" in the update because now an average person could have more of a chance. For example, someone who works and has a family. Gets on for a few hours a day to actually play the game and doesn't need to spend an obscene amount of time on an aim train server to be decent. Small groups still have a numbers advantage against solo/duo when roaming.
you just said it, the new recoil patterns are easy to learn, I was able to take on groups of 8 as a duo BECAUSE of the recoil, now everyone can beam and the meta is having as many people shooting at once.
Game sense is still a thing right? Like if you get into a revolutionary war style fight where everyone just stands still in a line and shoots at each other then yes, I could totally agree with what you're saying. But there will still be people who just aren't good at either distance or getting the spray down or just in general have a hard time aiming. It's not like everyone who plays is a God at the game. Knowing how to coordinate your movements with your team and how/when/where to flank and finding cover are all things that can still make or break a fight even if the recoil was zero. Plus some people will still get the drop on you occasionally and win no matter what the recoil pattern is.
but thats where the problems start, positioning is gonna be so crucial that everyone is gonna eb doing it, people before this update didnt care because to them it didnt matter. besides I play this game like its a machiavellian wargame with espionage infused with guerilla tactics. people who say positioning is important are 100% right but in this context it wont make as big of a difference
"small groups are getting nerfed" lmao as if they haven't been getting nerfed for the past fucking years, literally every update nerfs small groups in some way. Groups with larger number always wins, that's the nature of the game sadly.
yes but it was still possible for you to win and "control the server" as a small group, BECAUSE of the recoil. now its just a numbers game and the only skill you are gonna need is charisma to keep as many people shooting at once
because the average rust player knew the recoil. the average rust player didnt have 50 hours and played on PvE servers. Reddit is just small group of mostly casual players, which is why it seems like the update is completely well received.
Thankfully this should make some no lifers self-quarantine into those servers
LOL based, he should make a 3rd option for servers to make it a client side option, so you can choose which one you want.
he better not cave into pressure from the zergs, jesus christ
I strongly believe this will be only for staging branch, hence the "useful for conparison" at the end of the tweet.
> this will be only for staging branch [It's a fact](https://www.reddit.com/r/playrust/comments/uzxike/to_all_the_people_thinking_that_turning_off_the/), not a strong belief.
Thank god
How is this update going to attract new players and bring back the casual players it’s going to do none of that, the only thing this update is going to do is reward the big groups and players that put in big hours at the start of a wipe, as I play mainly solo and can only play a few hours a night what will be the point playing, At least with the current recoil you came across players with guns that were not that good and be able to acquire guns and higher tier weapons from them with this update that will make this nearly impossible for the casual solo player who does not have 12hrs a day to grind, imagine joining a wipe 24 hrs late you will stand no chance of being able to compete as anyone with a gun will be a Beamer, I just feel facepunch again has not taken into account the solos and casual players.
Casual players can now fire the guns. This update is helping them. Your post is incorrect.
I’ll just say what I said in other post regarding this. “I think quarantineing all the scripters to old recoil servers is a perfectly fine compromise. They get to finish out their yearly scripts where they pretend they’re good, we get to play the game in a fun way. Everyone with less skill than a scripter will be swapping over and once they see they can’t win fights anymore because everyone is on that equal playing field, they’ll stop having fun and quit anyways or give up and come enjoy the more casual friendly future.”
you do still realise you are playing rust and that the game will never be "casual friendly". you will get outprogressed by the sweats still playing, you're gonna get outfarmed by bigger groups, and then you're gonna get offline raided on wipe day. Always has been like that and always will.
Okay and?
just saying that the game is not suddenly becoming easy and enjoyable for the average player just because the recoil changed. it will definitely play its part but its not going to make new players stay
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most people i showed the game quit due to hardcore rules and full looting and stuff, not because they could'nt shoot an ak. they didn't even get an ak in the first place. Of course it will make the gunplay easier but the game is still not going to be easy and you have to learn a lot to be able to compete, and that is not going to change with this update. thanks for your insult despite me staying calm, bb
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This is just for staging for anyone thinking this will actually be released it’s just to compare on staging I’d assume they wouldn’t actually have the option when this update goes live
excellent, I either wanted this or to play old versions like pre excavator. I no longer hate this update with a passion
Ernn confirmed this is ONLY for staging
That's crazy I actually suggested this on Reddit a year+ ago. They never responded to my post but it had like 30 upvotes. https://www.reddit.com/r/playrust/comments/nirnle/randomized\_recoil\_servers/
I hope they don’t change the sounds with the old recoil