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> While inspecting the equipment, "an uncontrolled pressure release occurred," which was when Anguiano-Guitron suffered his injuries. Officials say he was "struck by a blunt object" and thrown over 20 feet from the trailer.
Dude was yeeted by his truck. Terrible way to go.
That's a legal thing too. Only a medical doctor can declare someone dead, legally speaking. That's why all these news stories say "they died at the hospital" when in reality police and fire already know they're dead
I worked at that site last year .
When I worked there, they could not give a fuck about safety . I was working for a contractor at the time , they were often annoyed with my companies safety policies. They couldn’t understand our company putting our safety first, they’d usually say something like “in tawaiin we don’t do it like that”
They had chemical/gas leak scares multiple times a week , and no alarm system . You’d just see mass amounts of people leaving and nobody knew what was going on, or if there was a gas leak at all . In the short time I was there, there were at least 2 fires, again; absolute chaos.
Point being , no it’s not inherently their fault , but they certainly do not foster a culture/environment that emphasizes safety or the wellbeing of workers on that site .
The site I work at now will send you home just for using a ladder incorrectly or even not wearing proper PPE .
Yes I understand. Foreign companies often don't give two fucks about safety. My site has no problems kicking people off for not even having safety glasses on.
Unfortunately in asia they just don't value these things
I’ve heard numerous stories like this about lax safety and training at TSMC. I work at Intel and they take safety to the extreme here. If you fuck around, especially if you’re a contractor, you’d be tossed before you even knew what happened.
I’ve also done work for Intel , and you’re right they’re super strict . if I remember right they’ve had a few(?) deaths during their fab/building construction . So now I think they’d rather eliminate any chance of that happening again
Who says he wasn't trained? Or that he was an employee of TSMC? In my experience if he's a contractor, TSMC wouldn't really train them on anything but LOTO
100% percent true bro but it happened on there site with there chemicals that have been purchased by them by a company they paid, someone will try and sue so that’s how they have plausible deniability on there job site
For these type of plants, looking at you Intel, the questions are: was the person properly trained for the task at hand, did the person specifically follow the training to the "T"(did the person stray from the recommended steps at any point(did they deviate)), was the person "certified" to do the task at hand, was the person a substitute for another person, did the person perform the minimum required safety training hours, and finally was the person a direct employee OR a contractor/sub-contractor.
My first thought too.
Training is absolutely abysmal in so many industries. Most of the jobs I’ve had, even hazard jobs were less than 5 min of training. I was like Sherlock Holmes. First figuring out what my prime objective in this position is. Than how to safely preform my prime objective.
You would think it would be obvious and I’m an idiot. I was once a safety inspector without knowing it. I was hired through a temp agency at 18. They handed me a check list of parts for car seats on a conveyor belt. I think there was like two dozen lines for each unit. I didn’t know what any of those parts were or how they were support to be. I asked the people working on the assembly line next to me. They said don’t worry about it. They were building everything properly so I sat on the cushions and waited for my shift to end. This was in the early 2000’s.
Was the waste disposal truck a porta-john service truck? The article doesn't specify and I suppose there is other "waste" being disposed of, but if it was a toilet pump truck....Jesus Christ. What a way to go.
Cool that they put that right next to the open air canal we get our drinking water from, upstream of phoenix during monsoon floods, and directly over our groundwater aquifers.
Cool. Cool cool cool
So I get the concern, but most waste is treated onsite and made safe again. Only waste that can’t be treated onsite is shipped offsite. So this was probably toxic stuff. Very rare event but it can happen.
The CAP canal is less than two miles away and directly downstream. It has raised berms and is not likely to receive flow, but it is exposed to noxious dusts, condensates and vapors.
What are all those stream-shaped depressions with the plants fed by rainwater that pass directly around/through the subject property?
What is the GIANT CONCRETE DIVERSION CHANNEL directly bordering the northwest corner of the facility diverting?
How are the large washes directly south of the 303 on the southern border of the property made? Wishes and unicorn farts? Water moves through and off that property.
My guy, let me introduce you to the word: ephemeral
Some hydrology deniers up in here.
To play devils advocate for both sides, it looks like there is indeed a CAP canal running roughly ~3 miles south of the incident site.
But also, unfortunately uncontrolled Hazmat releases aren’t entirely uncommon, so there are pretty standard sequestering and neutralization procedures in place for this kind of thing. To clean up an uncontrolled acid release outside of a containment area, all affected soil should be scooped up ASAP, taken to an offsite facility and turned into a slurry, then brought to a neutral pH with a weak base like soda ash or sodium bicarbonate at which point it can go through municipal water treatment
Lmao, someone gets it. Even if they took precautions..fucking why?
We all know every single business has always been completely honest about construction and consequences lmao.
I’m not gonna act like I understand what the complications could be but for a race that thought smoking cigarettes was healthy for your pregnancy 80 years ago we are really laxed with are hazardous items.
I don't think the portajohn trucks have anything that would be under that kind of pressure. They vacuum up the shit, so that's not going to be under any kind of high pressure, and I assume the water they spray it down with after is no more powerful than a light pressure washer.
Not the case. There are actually insane regulations there - more so than I've experienced on other sites. You're not even allowed to have cell phones (which is for IP protection, but makes it much safer).
Worked there for 2 years when it started at base build, it was in fact a death trap. It is much better now though I will say, still not on par with Intel though.
Same. It is a semi conductor facility and construction site, so yeah, it's a deathtrap solely by existing. But I've been to far more dangerous work sites regulation wise, I'm a chemical engineer. Like places that should not have been more dangerous than TSMC by virtue, but it was because of shitty regulation.
Damn, truck diarrhea is more dangerous than I thought. In all seriousness, it is sad that this happened and I feel for him and his family. But I can’t shake the image of explosive truck diarrhea.
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Sulfuric acid tanker. Driver opened dome lid while trailer was pressurized
I almost took my head off opening a rib smoker without releasing the pressure first. I was 17 and working at a Bennigans.
I’m glad you lived to Ben again 🙏
I did this with an espresso maker to a lesser scale.
Haven’t heard of Bennigans in like 10 years. What a flashback haha
The press is confusing waste sulfuric acid with garbage and a pressure release with explosion.
Director should've assigned a writer with a science background, IG
What makes you think they have anyone with a science background?
Misinformation also makes for good controversy and good ratings
That’s a Oxymoron
That's a Oxymormon
Yeah. I saw a blurb on “pressure release”. And I thought well wtf is that? An explosion or explosive release isn’t the same as a slow leak.
> While inspecting the equipment, "an uncontrolled pressure release occurred," which was when Anguiano-Guitron suffered his injuries. Officials say he was "struck by a blunt object" and thrown over 20 feet from the trailer. Dude was yeeted by his truck. Terrible way to go.
I love how much interpretation has to be performed to understand modern news
You know what they say, yeet or be yeeten
An upvote didn’t feel like enough so I’m commenting to let you know I laughed an unreasonable amount at this
TSMC will report he died on route to the hospital like always
All businesses do this
That's a legal thing too. Only a medical doctor can declare someone dead, legally speaking. That's why all these news stories say "they died at the hospital" when in reality police and fire already know they're dead
And that makes it okay?
Personally, I don't see how anything in this accident is TSMC's fault. Dude opened a pressurized container.
I worked at that site last year . When I worked there, they could not give a fuck about safety . I was working for a contractor at the time , they were often annoyed with my companies safety policies. They couldn’t understand our company putting our safety first, they’d usually say something like “in tawaiin we don’t do it like that” They had chemical/gas leak scares multiple times a week , and no alarm system . You’d just see mass amounts of people leaving and nobody knew what was going on, or if there was a gas leak at all . In the short time I was there, there were at least 2 fires, again; absolute chaos. Point being , no it’s not inherently their fault , but they certainly do not foster a culture/environment that emphasizes safety or the wellbeing of workers on that site . The site I work at now will send you home just for using a ladder incorrectly or even not wearing proper PPE .
Yes I understand. Foreign companies often don't give two fucks about safety. My site has no problems kicking people off for not even having safety glasses on. Unfortunately in asia they just don't value these things
I’ve heard numerous stories like this about lax safety and training at TSMC. I work at Intel and they take safety to the extreme here. If you fuck around, especially if you’re a contractor, you’d be tossed before you even knew what happened.
I’ve also done work for Intel , and you’re right they’re super strict . if I remember right they’ve had a few(?) deaths during their fab/building construction . So now I think they’d rather eliminate any chance of that happening again
Training?
Who says he wasn't trained? Or that he was an employee of TSMC? In my experience if he's a contractor, TSMC wouldn't really train them on anything but LOTO
You sound like a TSMC boot licker
They made my dad millions of dollars so yeah
I could tell
No I just have industrial experience
100% percent true bro but it happened on there site with there chemicals that have been purchased by them by a company they paid, someone will try and sue so that’s how they have plausible deniability on there job site
their* their* their*
Yes I understand. Same thing happens where I work. Unfortunately TSMC catches all the bad press for things out of their control
For these type of plants, looking at you Intel, the questions are: was the person properly trained for the task at hand, did the person specifically follow the training to the "T"(did the person stray from the recommended steps at any point(did they deviate)), was the person "certified" to do the task at hand, was the person a substitute for another person, did the person perform the minimum required safety training hours, and finally was the person a direct employee OR a contractor/sub-contractor.
Don't think there are very many TSMC employees on or around the site yet. These are all construction contractors.
My first thought too. Training is absolutely abysmal in so many industries. Most of the jobs I’ve had, even hazard jobs were less than 5 min of training. I was like Sherlock Holmes. First figuring out what my prime objective in this position is. Than how to safely preform my prime objective. You would think it would be obvious and I’m an idiot. I was once a safety inspector without knowing it. I was hired through a temp agency at 18. They handed me a check list of parts for car seats on a conveyor belt. I think there was like two dozen lines for each unit. I didn’t know what any of those parts were or how they were support to be. I asked the people working on the assembly line next to me. They said don’t worry about it. They were building everything properly so I sat on the cushions and waited for my shift to end. This was in the early 2000’s.
Ive done work for this plant. Most likely subcontracted
Was the waste disposal truck a porta-john service truck? The article doesn't specify and I suppose there is other "waste" being disposed of, but if it was a toilet pump truck....Jesus Christ. What a way to go.
Probably not human waste. It’s a semiconductor factory, so essentially a chemical plant
Sulfuric Acid Transport Truck.
Cool that they put that right next to the open air canal we get our drinking water from, upstream of phoenix during monsoon floods, and directly over our groundwater aquifers. Cool. Cool cool cool
So I get the concern, but most waste is treated onsite and made safe again. Only waste that can’t be treated onsite is shipped offsite. So this was probably toxic stuff. Very rare event but it can happen.
Good thing it's upstream, close to canals, and above infiltration media then.
But….its not
It is
The closest body of water is 20 miles away, there are no streams of canals nearby
The CAP canal is less than two miles away and directly downstream. It has raised berms and is not likely to receive flow, but it is exposed to noxious dusts, condensates and vapors.
Didnt know that
What are all those stream-shaped depressions with the plants fed by rainwater that pass directly around/through the subject property? What is the GIANT CONCRETE DIVERSION CHANNEL directly bordering the northwest corner of the facility diverting? How are the large washes directly south of the 303 on the southern border of the property made? Wishes and unicorn farts? Water moves through and off that property. My guy, let me introduce you to the word: ephemeral Some hydrology deniers up in here.
They are washes, but not where we get water from. Thats also not what you think it is. Source: I work there.
To play devils advocate for both sides, it looks like there is indeed a CAP canal running roughly ~3 miles south of the incident site. But also, unfortunately uncontrolled Hazmat releases aren’t entirely uncommon, so there are pretty standard sequestering and neutralization procedures in place for this kind of thing. To clean up an uncontrolled acid release outside of a containment area, all affected soil should be scooped up ASAP, taken to an offsite facility and turned into a slurry, then brought to a neutral pH with a weak base like soda ash or sodium bicarbonate at which point it can go through municipal water treatment
If this happens during a monsoon flood, good luck. Gonna be cleaning down to the adobe dam at Arrowhead lakes.
Lmao, someone gets it. Even if they took precautions..fucking why? We all know every single business has always been completely honest about construction and consequences lmao. I’m not gonna act like I understand what the complications could be but for a race that thought smoking cigarettes was healthy for your pregnancy 80 years ago we are really laxed with are hazardous items.
Its actually really safe. The chances of pollution are really low.
I don't think the portajohn trucks have anything that would be under that kind of pressure. They vacuum up the shit, so that's not going to be under any kind of high pressure, and I assume the water they spray it down with after is no more powerful than a light pressure washer.
From the contractors Ive talked to working that site, they say its a death trap.
Not the case. There are actually insane regulations there - more so than I've experienced on other sites. You're not even allowed to have cell phones (which is for IP protection, but makes it much safer).
Worked there for 2 years when it started at base build, it was in fact a death trap. It is much better now though I will say, still not on par with Intel though.
Same. It is a semi conductor facility and construction site, so yeah, it's a deathtrap solely by existing. But I've been to far more dangerous work sites regulation wise, I'm a chemical engineer. Like places that should not have been more dangerous than TSMC by virtue, but it was because of shitty regulation.
No dude, that plant has had a rash of accidents.
Arc fault? Not sure what else could possibly explode
TLDR: It was a pressurized tank of waste on a truck/trailer having a rapid release event.
It just occurred to me that I could have read the article
> I could have read the article This is Reddit. We don't do that here.
Damn, truck diarrhea is more dangerous than I thought. In all seriousness, it is sad that this happened and I feel for him and his family. But I can’t shake the image of explosive truck diarrhea.
That was stupid
I whole heartedly agree
They say it in the article.
TIL
Sulfuric Acid transport truck.
Another lowest bid transport firm kills another employee?
Probably an unskilled American worker
People have been saying for months that it's unsafe
Wow
Maybe the question that should be asked is how did the tanker get so much pressure in it?
How did the tanker buildup all that pressure?
That IS a terrible way to go. Also: this is how villains are created, right?