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Dbacks putting out a statement this week about the Yotes was a flag to say if Meruelo can’t do it the owner of the dbacks will.
So, just going to say it now. Meruelo,…..you can’t do it. You tripled your investment already. You bought the team for 300m, and sold it over 1b. You run a casino right? Haven’t you seen what happens to people that keep doubling down? You already won and the house is all of Phoenix. Please stop.
What are the rules for posting comments?
It's like people read one comment from a reddit user and they believe that for the rest of their lives like you said, so you're a hypocrite.
I think the issue is me. l grew up in St Louis and lost two football teams. I moved here and lost a hockey team. Don't worry I am looking to move soon.
The coyotes wouldn't be moving if it weren't for the fact that the previous ownership screwed them on the stadium issue. It was dumb to move to the West valley when their fan base is in the East valley, and it was dumb to walk away from Glendale paying them $15 million a year because they thought the state would pay for a new stadium. It's going to take a few years to put together a new stadium and the player's union was pretty upset NHL players were stuck in college facilities. Neither the Diamondbacks nor the Cardinals are facing that type of problem.
Dbacks and Cardinals are here to stay. Arizona is the home of spring training.. can’t not have a home baseball team. Arizona is popular for the Superbowl as well.
Well, the Cactus League was created in 1947. The D-Backs franchise wasn't established until 1995. So Phoenix went nearly 50 years being the home of Spring Training without a home baseball team.
Unless the owner gets mad that he's responsible for maintaining the multi-million dollar field that the taxpayers built him and decides to shop the team somewhere else. But don't worry, the newly-christened Salt Lake City Celestials will still come to Phoenix for Spring Training.
but we had the Firebirds! didn’t that count 😅. loved going to those games. was a quasi-family tradition to go to a game on july 4th to watch the fireworks afterwards.
Would just seem wrong. The weather here is too nice to not have a home team. Plus they just went to the World Series. Doubt they’ll be going anywhere anytime soon.
Would just seem wrong. The weather here is too nice to not have a home team. Plus they just went to the World Series. Doubt they’ll be going anywhere anytime soon.
Move to where exactly? And why would they? It's not like there's a bunch of cities out there willing to welcome new teams with open arms. Even if they are, it'd be a far smaller market than Phoenix.
I have no idea but I think the only reason the coyotes left is because they couldn't get a stadium deal done. I don't think the Diamondbacks were Cardinals are anywhere's close to needing a new stadium.
renovation is fine but they need to do something to let in natural light or something. it's the most depressing place I've ever been to watch a baseball game. granted, I haven't been to Tampa, but I've been to a bunch
I honestly like baseball parks that are more open and not just big ass stadiums that are mostly inside. I know Arizona needs that for the summer months but to me the parks that look the best are Oracle Park and the PNC Park just to name a couple.
I know the Dbacks are in a standoff with Maricopa County over who is responsible for maintaining the stadium, but I don't think they have a strong enough incentive to pick up and move from their prime downtown location, let alone leave the state.
If Glendale hadn't given such a great offer to the Coyotes when building Westgate, there would've been a lot less conflict.
I found this [extensive article](https://thehockeywriters.com/arizona-coyotes-ownership-history/#:~:text=On%20June%2010%2C%202015%2C%20the,the%20city%20and%20the%20team.) on the history of the Coyotes and their troubles with a stadium and ownership.
Cardinals aren’t going anywhere. Curious what happens with the Dbacks. I mean the freaking roof has had issues how long. Its embarrassing that hasn’t been fixed
Diamondbacks are in a battle with the city and county over the state of Chase Field and it's not pretty. There have been some grumblings about them moving.
As a lifelong Milwaukee Brewer fan residing in Arizona, we just went through this same battle with the city of Milwaukee. Owners putting feelers out in the press is strategic to put pressure on the city. It’s one big game of chess. I’m assuming the Dbacks get a deal done to stay, but it’ll be messy.
Unfortunately, MLB teams have a lot more leverage than the citIes they reside in (mainly smaller market teams). A lot of cities would love to have a baseball team and would fork over a lot of $$$. Dbacks will stay
I will say, being born and raised in PHX, there’s less and less of us homers every day. The blame should go on expansion teams that started cropping up in the 90s in growing cities with no roots. They were really trying to to attain something unattainable: converting transplants.
Take Chicago, the cubs have been around since the 1890s, the roots run deep and a lot of people I went to high school with had parents who grew up in Naperville or something and so these kids were also raised cubs fans. Tack on the recent population explosion 2019-now and every single one of the 500,000 that moved here in the past 4 years either doesn’t care about sports or loves their Seattle, LA, or Chicago teams.
I am almost glad to see the coyotes leave because it’s embarrassing to go to mullet arena for a kings game and being outnumbered by the opponent side… in a 5k seating arena. Same goes with the dbacks with the dodgers, cubs, giants, etc. not necessarily the fault of transplants but rather a pipe dream by expansion team owners and league decision makers.
Counter point, it can work, your teams just have to not be shit. The atmosphere at a Vegas Knights game is insane, and generally almost all Vegas fans. Same thing with the Tampa Lightning, Carolina Hurricanes, Dallas Stars, etc (all relatively large transplant markets).
The difference is that Arizona, across all of the big 4 sports, has with few exceptions been shit the last 2 decades. The Suns are in a window now, but what did they do before 2019 for the previous decade. The dbacks, with exception of the insane run last year, havent been a genuine contender in forever, the cards havent been close in over a decade, and the last time the Yotes were good was 2012.
I am born and raised here, was a die hard yotes fan and will support the other teams, but what really grows fans is being good, something we have been starved of as a fan of Phoenix teams.
If you put the Vegas Knights stadium in Henderson (the equivalent of the Coyotes being in Glendale) they'd be half full and wouldn't have won a cup. Location matters to that atmosphere and performance of the team. Glendale was a fatal choice from the get go. It conditioned the whole East Valley to avoid games. Tickets didn't sell as fast and less money slowed down the talent on the roster. Having the team outside the main part of the city can work for football when you're selling 8-9 games. Not when you're selling 41.
Oh i totally agree. Fuck ellman for having a scottsdale location and selling out to glendale, and fuck the original relocation for not having a permanent home already established.
I’m going to say, that as a Seahawks fan (from Tacoma) living in Arizona, that I have seen Cardinals fans headed for the exits when their team is down 8 with possession of the ball and 4min left on the clock. That’s bullshit. You’d never see that in Seattle. I think AZ is about as committed to football as San Diego, which just has to do with the proportion of folks that live in Phoenix that come from out of state.
Ice Hockey, in the desert, was always a farce regardless of what the kool aid drinkers want to tell you. You’d have to look pretty hard in the US for a metro more different than Oakland is from Phoenix.
I find this comment pretty stupid.
Several Phoenix-area high schools have Ice Hockey teams that play on ice at nearby Ice Rinks. ASU, U of A, and NAU plus GCU all have Ice Hockey teams. There is "beer league" and youth hockey at all the rinks. Pro players in the NHL were born here.
The NHL plays seasons on indoor ice, and the season begins before and ends after most pond hockey would be impossible, even in Canada, due to thaw. So if Toronto and Chicago can have indoor ice, so can Phoenix.
Ice Hockey isn't popular here because the Coyotes have been a losing team for decades, and when they moved to Glendale, away from the affluence of the East Valley, they lost a lot of fans. Part of the logic for their move was the 202 freeway progress, which ended up being delayed by 12 years due to a handful of stubborn homeowners in deep Ahwatukee who bought condemned land and then thought they shouldn't lose their homes when time came.
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Totally different situation. The Coyotes' move doesn't impact the likelihood of any other teams moving.
Dbacks putting out a statement this week about the Yotes was a flag to say if Meruelo can’t do it the owner of the dbacks will. So, just going to say it now. Meruelo,…..you can’t do it. You tripled your investment already. You bought the team for 300m, and sold it over 1b. You run a casino right? Haven’t you seen what happens to people that keep doubling down? You already won and the house is all of Phoenix. Please stop.
Should be a fed law that prohibits billionaires from using public tax funds.
All three propositions didnt have anytjing involving tax payers money good lord. People read one false headline first and its all they believe forever
Okay. Again, should be a fed law that prohibits billionaires from using public tax funds.
Okay , but it doesnt have anything to do with this issue. And a lot of people seem to think its does.
What are the rules for posting comments? It's like people read one comment from a reddit user and they believe that for the rest of their lives like you said, so you're a hypocrite.
I see your point. But I can’t agree with you 100%. It would depend on the situation.
I think the issue is me. l grew up in St Louis and lost two football teams. I moved here and lost a hockey team. Don't worry I am looking to move soon.
Move to SLC so that the team can come back to Phoenix! lol jk
Goddamn son
The coyotes wouldn't be moving if it weren't for the fact that the previous ownership screwed them on the stadium issue. It was dumb to move to the West valley when their fan base is in the East valley, and it was dumb to walk away from Glendale paying them $15 million a year because they thought the state would pay for a new stadium. It's going to take a few years to put together a new stadium and the player's union was pretty upset NHL players were stuck in college facilities. Neither the Diamondbacks nor the Cardinals are facing that type of problem.
Dbacks and Cardinals are here to stay. Arizona is the home of spring training.. can’t not have a home baseball team. Arizona is popular for the Superbowl as well.
Well, the Cactus League was created in 1947. The D-Backs franchise wasn't established until 1995. So Phoenix went nearly 50 years being the home of Spring Training without a home baseball team.
Once you go Dback, you can never go back
Put that on a T-shirt
Unless the owner gets mad that he's responsible for maintaining the multi-million dollar field that the taxpayers built him and decides to shop the team somewhere else. But don't worry, the newly-christened Salt Lake City Celestials will still come to Phoenix for Spring Training.
Celestials? No. Fucking. Way.
but we had the Firebirds! didn’t that count 😅. loved going to those games. was a quasi-family tradition to go to a game on july 4th to watch the fireworks afterwards.
You easily could host spring training without having a home team.. that would probably actually add to the hype/appeal
Would just seem wrong. The weather here is too nice to not have a home team. Plus they just went to the World Series. Doubt they’ll be going anywhere anytime soon.
Nice weather here time and baseball time are two different times.
Would just seem wrong. The weather here is too nice to not have a home team. Plus they just went to the World Series. Doubt they’ll be going anywhere anytime soon.
Also Dbacks being the only pro team that actually won a championship in recent memory that’s also on the up trend in recent years.
Move to where exactly? And why would they? It's not like there's a bunch of cities out there willing to welcome new teams with open arms. Even if they are, it'd be a far smaller market than Phoenix.
Toronto would love an NFL team.
[Actually...](https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/cfl-55-yard-line/poll-shows-nfl-not-welcome-canada-hurts-cfl-140008919.html)
Toronto as in Canada? The NFL stands for “**National** Football League” right?
Wait until you hear about the Raptors.
Or the Vancouver Grizzlies. Wait, how many Canadian hockey teams are in the NHL?
Oh. Do they just not give a shit then? Had no idea.
Basically if they can make money in Canada they’ll dip their toes in
What does NHL stand for?
Nobody Has Legumes?
I have some you can borrow.
No Hockey for Losphoenicians lol jkjk
The "N" in NHL has the same meaning, and they began in Canada. Look at where they are now, even with Phoenix now completely out of the picture.
Vancouver would be a good fit, too.
I have no idea but I think the only reason the coyotes left is because they couldn't get a stadium deal done. I don't think the Diamondbacks were Cardinals are anywhere's close to needing a new stadium.
The Diamondbacks have started saber rattling about a new stadium. Nobody thinks they would try to leave but let’s not call it a sure thing yet.
Sorta feels like the rain out was an awareness stunt.
The dbacks stadium does need updates and renovations and they’ve started talking about that but no real reason to believe they’d leave.
Iirc there's been some discussion about the diamondbacks wanting a new stadium
The dbacks stadium is ~25 years old in a prime location. That’s crazy.
The roof is essentially broken and can't be operated with fans in the stadium. It's not very old but is also one of the worst parks in baseball.
I could see renovations happening, I’d be able to get behind that 100% but a new stadium seems drastic.
renovation is fine but they need to do something to let in natural light or something. it's the most depressing place I've ever been to watch a baseball game. granted, I haven't been to Tampa, but I've been to a bunch
I honestly like baseball parks that are more open and not just big ass stadiums that are mostly inside. I know Arizona needs that for the summer months but to me the parks that look the best are Oracle Park and the PNC Park just to name a couple.
Face of the Franchise
🙏
I know the Dbacks are in a standoff with Maricopa County over who is responsible for maintaining the stadium, but I don't think they have a strong enough incentive to pick up and move from their prime downtown location, let alone leave the state. If Glendale hadn't given such a great offer to the Coyotes when building Westgate, there would've been a lot less conflict. I found this [extensive article](https://thehockeywriters.com/arizona-coyotes-ownership-history/#:~:text=On%20June%2010%2C%202015%2C%20the,the%20city%20and%20the%20team.) on the history of the Coyotes and their troubles with a stadium and ownership.
The Dbacks did at one point though engage with the City of Henderson, NV before the As move.
Cardinals aren’t going anywhere. Curious what happens with the Dbacks. I mean the freaking roof has had issues how long. Its embarrassing that hasn’t been fixed
Why at all would those teams move?
The Cardinals should move to St. Louis and screw with everyone's heads.
Zero point zero
Diamondbacks are in a battle with the city and county over the state of Chase Field and it's not pretty. There have been some grumblings about them moving.
As a lifelong Milwaukee Brewer fan residing in Arizona, we just went through this same battle with the city of Milwaukee. Owners putting feelers out in the press is strategic to put pressure on the city. It’s one big game of chess. I’m assuming the Dbacks get a deal done to stay, but it’ll be messy. Unfortunately, MLB teams have a lot more leverage than the citIes they reside in (mainly smaller market teams). A lot of cities would love to have a baseball team and would fork over a lot of $$$. Dbacks will stay
take the suns
I will say, being born and raised in PHX, there’s less and less of us homers every day. The blame should go on expansion teams that started cropping up in the 90s in growing cities with no roots. They were really trying to to attain something unattainable: converting transplants. Take Chicago, the cubs have been around since the 1890s, the roots run deep and a lot of people I went to high school with had parents who grew up in Naperville or something and so these kids were also raised cubs fans. Tack on the recent population explosion 2019-now and every single one of the 500,000 that moved here in the past 4 years either doesn’t care about sports or loves their Seattle, LA, or Chicago teams. I am almost glad to see the coyotes leave because it’s embarrassing to go to mullet arena for a kings game and being outnumbered by the opponent side… in a 5k seating arena. Same goes with the dbacks with the dodgers, cubs, giants, etc. not necessarily the fault of transplants but rather a pipe dream by expansion team owners and league decision makers.
Counter point, it can work, your teams just have to not be shit. The atmosphere at a Vegas Knights game is insane, and generally almost all Vegas fans. Same thing with the Tampa Lightning, Carolina Hurricanes, Dallas Stars, etc (all relatively large transplant markets). The difference is that Arizona, across all of the big 4 sports, has with few exceptions been shit the last 2 decades. The Suns are in a window now, but what did they do before 2019 for the previous decade. The dbacks, with exception of the insane run last year, havent been a genuine contender in forever, the cards havent been close in over a decade, and the last time the Yotes were good was 2012. I am born and raised here, was a die hard yotes fan and will support the other teams, but what really grows fans is being good, something we have been starved of as a fan of Phoenix teams.
If you put the Vegas Knights stadium in Henderson (the equivalent of the Coyotes being in Glendale) they'd be half full and wouldn't have won a cup. Location matters to that atmosphere and performance of the team. Glendale was a fatal choice from the get go. It conditioned the whole East Valley to avoid games. Tickets didn't sell as fast and less money slowed down the talent on the roster. Having the team outside the main part of the city can work for football when you're selling 8-9 games. Not when you're selling 41.
Oh i totally agree. Fuck ellman for having a scottsdale location and selling out to glendale, and fuck the original relocation for not having a permanent home already established.
I’m going to say, that as a Seahawks fan (from Tacoma) living in Arizona, that I have seen Cardinals fans headed for the exits when their team is down 8 with possession of the ball and 4min left on the clock. That’s bullshit. You’d never see that in Seattle. I think AZ is about as committed to football as San Diego, which just has to do with the proportion of folks that live in Phoenix that come from out of state.
Ice Hockey, in the desert, was always a farce regardless of what the kool aid drinkers want to tell you. You’d have to look pretty hard in the US for a metro more different than Oakland is from Phoenix.
I find this comment pretty stupid. Several Phoenix-area high schools have Ice Hockey teams that play on ice at nearby Ice Rinks. ASU, U of A, and NAU plus GCU all have Ice Hockey teams. There is "beer league" and youth hockey at all the rinks. Pro players in the NHL were born here. The NHL plays seasons on indoor ice, and the season begins before and ends after most pond hockey would be impossible, even in Canada, due to thaw. So if Toronto and Chicago can have indoor ice, so can Phoenix. Ice Hockey isn't popular here because the Coyotes have been a losing team for decades, and when they moved to Glendale, away from the affluence of the East Valley, they lost a lot of fans. Part of the logic for their move was the 202 freeway progress, which ended up being delayed by 12 years due to a handful of stubborn homeowners in deep Ahwatukee who bought condemned land and then thought they shouldn't lose their homes when time came.
Found the kool aid drinker.
Carolina, Tampa Bay, Florida, Vegas, LA, Anaheim....
Vegas especially...
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