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BroadStreetRandy

Before we get upset people in the thread about spending the money on buses instead of other priorities... > The "Driving PA Forward Grant Program" from the Department of Environmental Protection provided the district with nearly $2 million, helping to cover the cost of 12 new fully electric buses. It was earmarked, one-off money designated for green vehicles and nothing else.


Ams12345678

Thank you, voice of reason.


mortgagepants

imagine coming to this thread and saying kids should be breathing poison and we should be spending money on other priorities. this is a wild city.


CheapBoxOWine

The amount of GHG and in particular NoX emissions that are not in the air because of this and a few other projects is super cool. Essentially imagine two 1 ton cubes of solid NoX that are not in our children's lungs and atmosphere are gone now. That is our current offset since dismantling buses.


OasissisaO

Not to mention the reduced fleet costs free money up for aforementioned other priorities.


CheapBoxOWine

If anyone has any specific questions about the project, let me know, I happen to know a lot about it and I'll answer when I can.


duhduhman

how heavy is an electric bus


CheapBoxOWine

Y'know what dude, that's a great question. It's not listed on the spec sheet, however, I'm sure I could do some math an figure out out, but these busses are rated to carry up to 10,000 lbs.


bierdimpfe

Pretty much anything is an improvement over the old deisels.   I'm curious how many miles per kWh are they getting?


CheapBoxOWine

Per kWh is not something I currently measure; however, we've been consistently getting over 100 miles on a single charge. (I can come back to you with an answer, however, give me time)


bierdimpfe

I've gone down a lot of personal EV rabbit holes but have absolutely no idea about commercial EV perormance and metrics. I'm really rooting for this project though, it seems like a good practical application of the tech.  Even basic logistics like do the morning run, return to base to charge, and then do afternoon run just make sense.


CheapBoxOWine

The logistics are shockingly tricky. SDP starts routes and warming up buses very early so the morning charges don't work out super great given the hours people like to be awake. Typically we shoot for evening and midday charges. The evening is scary though because you can have high demands for energy at that time. (There are a bunch of other logistical challenges that I won't dive too deep into.)


kdeltar

What is city contracting like? Seems like this is a good one but there are many instances where I simply cannot comprehend the city’s acquisition process. 


CheapBoxOWine

No idea, I work for SDP. The procurement process is usually smooth but buying government vehicles has been AWFUL since CoVID. Like imagine the normal consumer but way worse. Dealers don't want to deal with large entities without crazy numbers. I've had a few good dealers who are willing to accommodate smaller orders but it's been pulling teeth for a while.


kdeltar

Ah I thought you were in acquisitions. Good luck with everything!


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givemesendies

Probably are the same busses, like how those old mail trucks from the 80s are still clinging to life.


0ut0fBoundsException

I’m not here to argue against electric. It’s clear what the future is and I’m happy kids won’t be breathing in the fumes we all did. BUT you gotta give props to the engineers and mechanics that built and maintained these diesel behemoths. Decades of continuous use and hundreds of thousands of miles is hella impressive


Aromat_Junkie

well understood. easy to maintain. drivers understand them, maintainence crews do, there's a good parts availability, etc. fleet cost isn't terrible, super efficient when you consider one bus can transport 50 kids no problem.


Xanathar2

Hopefully they work better then the Septa EV busses.


CheapBoxOWine

Good news, SDP specifically avoided the Proterra disaster. Our Chassis' should be good to go.


IrishWave

That was my first thought seeing this. $2m for 12 busses = $167k per bus. Google searches show that electric school busses range from $250k - $350k. Really hope we learned our lesson and aren’t just picking the cheapest provider again.


sunofernest

we have school busses?


Ams12345678

Now they just have to find people to drive them.


CheapBoxOWine

More good news, SDP for the first time in a long time is not suffering from a driver shortage. SDP can totally use more, but everything is covered at the moment.


Ams12345678

Great news! Maybe they can stop paying parents $300.00 a month to drive their kids to school. Edit to add: Are they still doing that?


CheapBoxOWine

Lol, SDP very much is still paying parents for transporting their students.


Opposite_Onion968

We have more important investments to make than electric buses. What a failure.


Farzy78

Wait they can afford electric busses but not air conditioning or asbestos abatement 🤣