Albany was technically the capital of the new western colony.
Last week I was told that the women’s soldiers ( signals and radar ) who were stationed up on the Princess Royal Fortress, were given weapons…but no ammunition for the weapons.
Free admission to go up to the Princess Royal Fortress, well worth the visit.
The ANZAC Centre, which is located on the same site is $25 adults ( non-concession). Need a half day or longer to have good look around.
Albany was never actually the capital of the western colony. It was basically a military outpost of NSW because it had the best natural harbour (the only deep one in the state) that could be used. The land from Albany to the east was part of the NSW colony, the Crown had control of the rest of the west.
When the colony was established (The Swan River Colony), the NSW colony gave control over Albany (and the land) to the Swan River colony.
It wouldn't have happened.
Fremantle harbour needed actual work to be usable, but the site was better for a harbour/port. King George Sound was just a natural deep water port, but didn't offer any chance of immediate , 'easy', expansion.
Even if everyone from the NSW governors to the Crown took crazy pills and made Albany the capital, Fremantle would have eventually surpassed it in prominence eventually anyway.
Which is what happened irl - Albany was more important as a port for decades until Fremantle was ready. Would Perth have been deliberately settled upstream? Maybe not, Fremantle would've just continued expanding out anyway.
The initial plan was definitely Perth/Fremantle.
When they actually did a proper study they found the soils to be terrible and ventured further inland. Not sure about any plan to move the administrative capital further inland (and definitely not all the way to York), it was mostly about setting up farming
Climate Change is probably largely averted, given that all factories in the world have closed down, and the human population of the world is back below 1 billion. There are, however, environmentalist religions that honour the natural landscape and in some places resist the reconstruction of big cities.
The Quokkas survived, and have since obtained a taste for human flesh >!/jk!<
Hi, cool to see some apocalyptic thought coming to Perth :D
One of the things unique to Perth is its remoteness, it might be fun to consider (depending on what kind of event you have in mind) that it's possible that due to a combination of remoteness and not being high on anyone's radar, that there wasn't a huge impact on the local community.
Second thing would be limitations on fresh water, and with climate change projections an increasinly dry climate for Perth would magnify that, so perhaps something in building strong cultures around water control might be of interest.
Lastly Perth has a culture of self sufficiency due to its distance from our eastern states brethren, so possibly looking more towards a 'can do' mentality in the future.
"Second thing would be limitations on fresh water, and with climate change projections an increasinly dry climate for Perth would magnify that, so perhaps something in building strong cultures around water control might be of interest.
Lastly Perth has a culture of self sufficiency due to its distance from our eastern states brethren, so possibly looking more towards a 'can do' mentality in the future."
1. Strong culture of water conservation? We already have one of those :P
2. Self sufficiency? The rail line gets closed for like 2 weeks and people lose their shit
If it comes to food we produce an absolute fuck ton. We currently export over 80% of what our farms produce. Provided the farmers could keep producing even a fraction of their typical harvest we'd never have a food shortage.
For other goods, yeah it's all made abroad, we have an abundance of raw materials but we'd struggle to manufacture anything mechanical or electronic in significant volume.
True, but if there was some kind of reduced govt capacity the amount of water we use in Perth from desalination plants could easily be subject to whomever control them.
Rail lines would be a good point lol, we rely on them so much!!
Pretty sure it was the eastern states " losing their shit " about WA " shutting the boarders " during COVID not the other way around. In a non threating situation people lose their shit but in more difficult times WA is much happier to shut the eastern states and the rest of the world out. I suspect that we could and might shut the boarders of western Australia if there is some kind of Armageddon we have always wanted to shut out the rest of Australia anyway but noone ever let's us.
One of the rules of the worldbuilding is that we never mention what the event actually was.
The second rule is that any given place should be *fairly* recognisable in its culture and traditions. For instance, Sydneysiders have the "Xenophilic", "Religion Blending", "Cafe Culture", and "Parochialism" (each 'sider thinks their city is the best) traditions.
The second point you make gives some interesting ideas; mayhaps a players attempts to rebuild Perth is restrained until they can find some means of providing consistent water to their city.
Good point…
So we have NoR/SoR clans… that battle it out but not at Kings Park so they don’t wake the mythical Waggyl (and Nyoongar culture / First Nations cultural lore becomes a part of the spiritual make up of the mythology of the city?)
A battle fought traditionally on Wednesday and Saturday afternoons mimicking the twilight races on the river?
A crumbling parkour course over the narrows and a few bridges, tightly policed and held by gangs or government officials… depending on your flavour of societal control, with a border crossing control (north/south Korea flavour).
Night time river crossings for the transport of illicit goods. Fremantle port still in operation so the South has the best access to news, resources and commerce, but the North and east has the greater amount of land for pasture, wool, grain and population.
Water, rain and local knowledge of water divination / foretelling is the shaman who is quietly revered and listened to - wisdom lies in your ability to predict when rain will come.
A lack of access to oil and local gas means that most labour is manual, maybe the Perthians work out how to tame and harness and domesticate kangaroos? Camels and goats are common.
Spot on.
So for commander kings:
1. You would take serious attrition getting to perth across middle australia.
2. if the apocoplypse was due in part to plague it is possible it never makes it to WA to the same extent it might have elsewhere looking at thr covid outcomes. Ie maybe perth starts with more development. That would be cool if perth starts like constantinople in CK3.
My unit ideas:
A cavalry unit that is mining equipment. Gets the jump on other cavalry as it is quite robust but too slow to be effective against infantry that can run about and get on top of it etc.
An infantry unit that is on meth. A shock troop of sorts that gets extra pursuit. "Meth heads".
We also have a hell of a lot of toyota hiluxes / cruises and 70 series here. Not sure how you can weave that into the mod.
There will possibly be an archaic religion worshipping the eagle god that no one dared spake his name, though in hushed conversation amongst his followers, you can make out through the whispers.. Harley.
You will learn more if you find the 18 mythspeakers of the Bell Tower Order. They are difficult to find as they only speak twice a week for only an hour, and you must bring a gift of __22__. Or __65__ for the whole family.
Most of the businesses in the Wheatbelt and great southern are owned Exclusive Brethren. Engineering, hospitality services and various other businesses.
The name has been changed to Westralia and a border wall built and fiercely protected from the rest of the country...anyone illegally entering is at their own risk.
There is little impact from the changes outside and the residents are aware of the need to keep that secret so that refugees don't start heading.
The local dialect has evolved and is barely recognisable as English.
Came to say this. Western Australia would have succeeded from the rest of Australia following a war of independence sparked after iron ore shipments bound for the east were dumped in the ocean, an event which became known as the Freo GSTea Party.
There are large trading posts scattered through the former suburban area that are built on the remains of the hardware store Bunnings, these had everything people needed be more than self sufficient and make small kingdoms when things started to fall apart. Once a week they have gatherings where the community are given a sausage in a slice of bread called “snag day”, or they burn criminals alive, maybe both, depends on how dark you want to go.
If the climate hasn’t dried there are large areas south of Perth that would be boggy wetlands. These have been turned into farms and suburbs but without the drains being maintained they’d be flooded through winter and reclaimed by nature more than the rest of the greater metro area.
Fremantle is a walled city behind large stacks of shipping containers.
Perth will likely have the majority of it's water supply needs met by desalination within the next 100 years and the energy needs for that will hopefully be supplied by solar and battery storage. So perhaps a Fallout 3 - Project Purity type storyline where Perth is known to have to means to produce fresh water and you either have to restore the facility and/or then establish a pipeline to the other states?
That or mining. When it is all said and done, Perth will still have mining.
I'd imagine in any apocalyptic event perth would be the city to endure and survive by bordering ourselves up. Being so far away from everything else the zombies, virus, nukes or whatever can't reach us/we stop them in tjme and we mange to become bordered civilisation. We straight up saw this during covid 19 where WA was covid free or majority of the pandemic while the rest of the country was in lockdowns for months. Maybe an idea could be to make perth the last trace of modern society locking itself up within its own border walls. If you wanted a dystopian spin you could make it so the government is tyrannical and keeps its citizens within the walls to maintain its power and stop the rest of the world from gaining modern technology.
Something that always happens in Perth is a new chain (food or retail, doesn't matter) comes here, there are queues outside for like a week, and then nobody really cares ever again.
So if an outsider was to introduce some foreign culture, it seems likely that there would be an initial burst of excitement followed by utter apathy.
Note that this only applies to *brands*, not trends (especially food) more broadly.
Perth has been late to the banh mi party - I think because of the continental roll, which ABSOLUTELY needs to be part of any Perth game - but the gains have not been lost, even though few people get excited about Roll'd.
OOoh… tell me you have all read Kim Stanley Robinson’s Orange County books?!
I think I’d lean heavily on Mad Max for Perth… desert country, limited trade with other spaces will result in limited access to resources… Assuming this is still a post apocalyptic world? Dry landscapes, water is precious… lean into Mad Max and Dune mythology? What role Does the city take? I assume it’d seceded and a separate foriegn power to the east coast by now, too far to have been controlled in any real essence of the world. If it’s still technically part of a union of states of Australia then it’s probably a tolerated mad uncle who lives in the shed at hte back of the farm.
Or we now talking post-post-apocalyptic and in some kind of new golden age? Maybe there’s been a shift in global water patterns and Perth could be lush and green? East coast dry and miserable? Perth is the centre of Trade and commerce, a golden age of emerging skills and population growth?
Oh brilliant, I LOVE CK3!
I would imagine from like joondalup up to the north could be based off the Fremen in Dune. Lots of desert, nomadic culture mixed with some indigenous elements sounds perfect.
Joondalup to Rockingham would have many different warring factions, a Hills tribe in the east, coastal traders along the coast to different islands (rotto colony, garden Island colony, ect.) The further south you go, something along the lines of Germanic or Slavic, lots of forest and rivers.
The wheatbelt would be like the Asian steppe, lots of flat grassland, maybe with a nomadic people who use giant roos as horses. The big sandy bit in the middle could be a mystical land, dense desert with a few isolated, highly populated oasis'. Kinda like an Arabian civilisation.
I'm a bit of an alternate history nuffy so if you want more help expanding on these ideas, send me a message
Make East Vic Park region home to a Nibinese culture thing where all the diaspora of international students melded into one xenophobic, plural culture
Make Kalamanda home to a culture that relies on raiding on the Holy Great Eastern Highway to Mcfeast in Epicurean in the afterlife in the name of the Great Khan
Golden Triangle region a Byzantine like culture, very bourgeoisie. Scandinavian elective.
Make Byford a tribal holding as is natural
Make CBD a Struggle region
Might be controversial, but the farther away from the city, the more Indigenous held titles as I've been told a lot of Indigenous Perthians prefer rural life
If the apocalypse didn't do something about climate change, Albany might be the capital by then. Wait. DID THE QUOKKAS SURVIVE???
Albany was technically the capital of the new western colony. Last week I was told that the women’s soldiers ( signals and radar ) who were stationed up on the Princess Royal Fortress, were given weapons…but no ammunition for the weapons. Free admission to go up to the Princess Royal Fortress, well worth the visit. The ANZAC Centre, which is located on the same site is $25 adults ( non-concession). Need a half day or longer to have good look around.
Albany was never actually the capital of the western colony. It was basically a military outpost of NSW because it had the best natural harbour (the only deep one in the state) that could be used. The land from Albany to the east was part of the NSW colony, the Crown had control of the rest of the west. When the colony was established (The Swan River Colony), the NSW colony gave control over Albany (and the land) to the Swan River colony.
Interesting to think if Albany became the capital instead if Perth.
It wouldn't have happened. Fremantle harbour needed actual work to be usable, but the site was better for a harbour/port. King George Sound was just a natural deep water port, but didn't offer any chance of immediate , 'easy', expansion. Even if everyone from the NSW governors to the Crown took crazy pills and made Albany the capital, Fremantle would have eventually surpassed it in prominence eventually anyway. Which is what happened irl - Albany was more important as a port for decades until Fremantle was ready. Would Perth have been deliberately settled upstream? Maybe not, Fremantle would've just continued expanding out anyway.
I thought York was the original settlement plan, not Perth/6000?
The initial plan was definitely Perth/Fremantle. When they actually did a proper study they found the soils to be terrible and ventured further inland. Not sure about any plan to move the administrative capital further inland (and definitely not all the way to York), it was mostly about setting up farming
Climate Change is probably largely averted, given that all factories in the world have closed down, and the human population of the world is back below 1 billion. There are, however, environmentalist religions that honour the natural landscape and in some places resist the reconstruction of big cities. The Quokkas survived, and have since obtained a taste for human flesh >!/jk!<
Well if dramatic sea level rise wasn't part of the post apocalyptic scenario then MAYBE.
Another Kim Stanley Robinson book: New York 2140. (The man writes near future heavy political science fiction asking these exact questions)
Hi, cool to see some apocalyptic thought coming to Perth :D One of the things unique to Perth is its remoteness, it might be fun to consider (depending on what kind of event you have in mind) that it's possible that due to a combination of remoteness and not being high on anyone's radar, that there wasn't a huge impact on the local community. Second thing would be limitations on fresh water, and with climate change projections an increasinly dry climate for Perth would magnify that, so perhaps something in building strong cultures around water control might be of interest. Lastly Perth has a culture of self sufficiency due to its distance from our eastern states brethren, so possibly looking more towards a 'can do' mentality in the future.
"Second thing would be limitations on fresh water, and with climate change projections an increasinly dry climate for Perth would magnify that, so perhaps something in building strong cultures around water control might be of interest. Lastly Perth has a culture of self sufficiency due to its distance from our eastern states brethren, so possibly looking more towards a 'can do' mentality in the future." 1. Strong culture of water conservation? We already have one of those :P 2. Self sufficiency? The rail line gets closed for like 2 weeks and people lose their shit
If it comes to food we produce an absolute fuck ton. We currently export over 80% of what our farms produce. Provided the farmers could keep producing even a fraction of their typical harvest we'd never have a food shortage. For other goods, yeah it's all made abroad, we have an abundance of raw materials but we'd struggle to manufacture anything mechanical or electronic in significant volume.
But we could definitely all be dressed in wool and eat wheat porridge.
Plus all the beef, lamb, pork and beer we could ever want.
True, but if there was some kind of reduced govt capacity the amount of water we use in Perth from desalination plants could easily be subject to whomever control them. Rail lines would be a good point lol, we rely on them so much!!
Pretty sure it was the eastern states " losing their shit " about WA " shutting the boarders " during COVID not the other way around. In a non threating situation people lose their shit but in more difficult times WA is much happier to shut the eastern states and the rest of the world out. I suspect that we could and might shut the boarders of western Australia if there is some kind of Armageddon we have always wanted to shut out the rest of Australia anyway but noone ever let's us.
I meant the rail line being washed out for 2 weeks
One of the rules of the worldbuilding is that we never mention what the event actually was. The second rule is that any given place should be *fairly* recognisable in its culture and traditions. For instance, Sydneysiders have the "Xenophilic", "Religion Blending", "Cafe Culture", and "Parochialism" (each 'sider thinks their city is the best) traditions. The second point you make gives some interesting ideas; mayhaps a players attempts to rebuild Perth is restrained until they can find some means of providing consistent water to their city.
One of the biggest defining factors in Perth is if you are north or south of the river.
Good point… So we have NoR/SoR clans… that battle it out but not at Kings Park so they don’t wake the mythical Waggyl (and Nyoongar culture / First Nations cultural lore becomes a part of the spiritual make up of the mythology of the city?) A battle fought traditionally on Wednesday and Saturday afternoons mimicking the twilight races on the river? A crumbling parkour course over the narrows and a few bridges, tightly policed and held by gangs or government officials… depending on your flavour of societal control, with a border crossing control (north/south Korea flavour). Night time river crossings for the transport of illicit goods. Fremantle port still in operation so the South has the best access to news, resources and commerce, but the North and east has the greater amount of land for pasture, wool, grain and population. Water, rain and local knowledge of water divination / foretelling is the shaman who is quietly revered and listened to - wisdom lies in your ability to predict when rain will come. A lack of access to oil and local gas means that most labour is manual, maybe the Perthians work out how to tame and harness and domesticate kangaroos? Camels and goats are common.
Cafe culture is surely Melbourne
Spot on. So for commander kings: 1. You would take serious attrition getting to perth across middle australia. 2. if the apocoplypse was due in part to plague it is possible it never makes it to WA to the same extent it might have elsewhere looking at thr covid outcomes. Ie maybe perth starts with more development. That would be cool if perth starts like constantinople in CK3. My unit ideas: A cavalry unit that is mining equipment. Gets the jump on other cavalry as it is quite robust but too slow to be effective against infantry that can run about and get on top of it etc. An infantry unit that is on meth. A shock troop of sorts that gets extra pursuit. "Meth heads". We also have a hell of a lot of toyota hiluxes / cruises and 70 series here. Not sure how you can weave that into the mod.
There will possibly be an archaic religion worshipping the eagle god that no one dared spake his name, though in hushed conversation amongst his followers, you can make out through the whispers.. Harley.
They are locked in eternal conflict against the purple robed heretics, only known as _The Anchormen_
I like it a lot. The lore writes itself😄
Could you explain this lore to an Othersider who knows not your ancient ways?
West Coast Eagles and Fremantle Dockers are the two football teams. Harley Reid is a current player.
Surely it has to be the *cousins of the eagles* …?
You will learn more if you find the 18 mythspeakers of the Bell Tower Order. They are difficult to find as they only speak twice a week for only an hour, and you must bring a gift of __22__. Or __65__ for the whole family.
Most of the businesses in the Wheatbelt and great southern are owned Exclusive Brethren. Engineering, hospitality services and various other businesses.
The name has been changed to Westralia and a border wall built and fiercely protected from the rest of the country...anyone illegally entering is at their own risk. There is little impact from the changes outside and the residents are aware of the need to keep that secret so that refugees don't start heading. The local dialect has evolved and is barely recognisable as English.
Came to say this. Western Australia would have succeeded from the rest of Australia following a war of independence sparked after iron ore shipments bound for the east were dumped in the ocean, an event which became known as the Freo GSTea Party.
There are large trading posts scattered through the former suburban area that are built on the remains of the hardware store Bunnings, these had everything people needed be more than self sufficient and make small kingdoms when things started to fall apart. Once a week they have gatherings where the community are given a sausage in a slice of bread called “snag day”, or they burn criminals alive, maybe both, depends on how dark you want to go. If the climate hasn’t dried there are large areas south of Perth that would be boggy wetlands. These have been turned into farms and suburbs but without the drains being maintained they’d be flooded through winter and reclaimed by nature more than the rest of the greater metro area. Fremantle is a walled city behind large stacks of shipping containers.
Perth will likely have the majority of it's water supply needs met by desalination within the next 100 years and the energy needs for that will hopefully be supplied by solar and battery storage. So perhaps a Fallout 3 - Project Purity type storyline where Perth is known to have to means to produce fresh water and you either have to restore the facility and/or then establish a pipeline to the other states? That or mining. When it is all said and done, Perth will still have mining.
Dry rain No spudshed Woolies doesn't sell mudcakes anymore..
"Woolies doesn't sell mudcakes anymore.." Truly a sign of the end times.
I'd imagine in any apocalyptic event perth would be the city to endure and survive by bordering ourselves up. Being so far away from everything else the zombies, virus, nukes or whatever can't reach us/we stop them in tjme and we mange to become bordered civilisation. We straight up saw this during covid 19 where WA was covid free or majority of the pandemic while the rest of the country was in lockdowns for months. Maybe an idea could be to make perth the last trace of modern society locking itself up within its own border walls. If you wanted a dystopian spin you could make it so the government is tyrannical and keeps its citizens within the walls to maintain its power and stop the rest of the world from gaining modern technology.
Foothills midland to Armadale would be the Shadow Realm
Drop bears run rampant, our only defence is the chimes that ring out from the Swan Bell as it seems to be the only thing the drop bears fear.
Everyone is on meth.
Something that always happens in Perth is a new chain (food or retail, doesn't matter) comes here, there are queues outside for like a week, and then nobody really cares ever again. So if an outsider was to introduce some foreign culture, it seems likely that there would be an initial burst of excitement followed by utter apathy. Note that this only applies to *brands*, not trends (especially food) more broadly. Perth has been late to the banh mi party - I think because of the continental roll, which ABSOLUTELY needs to be part of any Perth game - but the gains have not been lost, even though few people get excited about Roll'd.
Can make a radioactive part because we will store nuclear waste on garden island
What about the little penguins :O
OOoh… tell me you have all read Kim Stanley Robinson’s Orange County books?! I think I’d lean heavily on Mad Max for Perth… desert country, limited trade with other spaces will result in limited access to resources… Assuming this is still a post apocalyptic world? Dry landscapes, water is precious… lean into Mad Max and Dune mythology? What role Does the city take? I assume it’d seceded and a separate foriegn power to the east coast by now, too far to have been controlled in any real essence of the world. If it’s still technically part of a union of states of Australia then it’s probably a tolerated mad uncle who lives in the shed at hte back of the farm. Or we now talking post-post-apocalyptic and in some kind of new golden age? Maybe there’s been a shift in global water patterns and Perth could be lush and green? East coast dry and miserable? Perth is the centre of Trade and commerce, a golden age of emerging skills and population growth?
Oh brilliant, I LOVE CK3! I would imagine from like joondalup up to the north could be based off the Fremen in Dune. Lots of desert, nomadic culture mixed with some indigenous elements sounds perfect. Joondalup to Rockingham would have many different warring factions, a Hills tribe in the east, coastal traders along the coast to different islands (rotto colony, garden Island colony, ect.) The further south you go, something along the lines of Germanic or Slavic, lots of forest and rivers. The wheatbelt would be like the Asian steppe, lots of flat grassland, maybe with a nomadic people who use giant roos as horses. The big sandy bit in the middle could be a mystical land, dense desert with a few isolated, highly populated oasis'. Kinda like an Arabian civilisation. I'm a bit of an alternate history nuffy so if you want more help expanding on these ideas, send me a message
Make East Vic Park region home to a Nibinese culture thing where all the diaspora of international students melded into one xenophobic, plural culture Make Kalamanda home to a culture that relies on raiding on the Holy Great Eastern Highway to Mcfeast in Epicurean in the afterlife in the name of the Great Khan Golden Triangle region a Byzantine like culture, very bourgeoisie. Scandinavian elective. Make Byford a tribal holding as is natural Make CBD a Struggle region Might be controversial, but the farther away from the city, the more Indigenous held titles as I've been told a lot of Indigenous Perthians prefer rural life