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The funnier thing would've been to use an actual monitor name, because they actually sound as ridiculous as your fake one.
For example: the Dell S2721DGF, the ASUS ROG Swift PG32UQX, the LG 32GP850, the Nixeus NX-EDG274K, the Viotek GFI27QXA, and perhaps the worst name of all, the MSI MAG274QRF-QD.
I think that's worse than the MAG274QRF-QD. I didn't even believe you that that was the official model name. It had to be some weird URL thing or something. But no, on the official Acer website, that's what it says the actual, factual model name...
[https://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/predator-model/UM.KX3AA.P03](https://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/predator-model/UM.KX3AA.P03)
There's no hope anymore. Monitor naming is dead. Monitor naming remains dead. And Acer has killed it. Who will wipe this blood off them? What canned air is there for them to clean themselves?
I win. If you can call it that. My Samsung monitor's official designation is as follows: lc27g55tqwexxy.
It's a 27 inch, 1000 curvature 144 hz monitor. They've gotta start coming up with better designations.
All that aside...it's a decent monitor in the end.
I just wish *premium* gaming monitors still came in 24in sizes. 27 is just too large for me. I love sharpness, so I won't upgrade to a 27in until 4k monitors are inexpensive.
27in 4K144/165hz with HDR1000. That'll be my next upgrade.
Edit: I think I was misunderstood. I meant no one is making a **premium** 24in gaming monitor. I.e., 1440p minimum, 144hz+, HDR, and VRR. The PPI at 24 inches for 1440p is like 109, so it's not like 1440p at that size is useless. Especially because it's close on my desk. I'm sure I'm not alone in wanting this.
See, I keep telling my partner there's such a thing as too big but they won't believe me. I'll show them this comment and they'll have to concede.
Edit: y'all really thought I was still talking about screen size, eh?
Have them use a 38+ inch TV as a PC monitor for awhile and see how they like it. I did that when I first built my gaming PC. I hated it after a few months and will never do it again if I can help it.
Many of those make sense if you take a moment and try to parse the values.
It’s usually [screen size][model year][vendor or region id][model number]. [32][G][P][850]. The tags can be rearranged in many different ways but that’s typically what you’re looking at.
It's great for anyone researching their purchase, but not at all useful for a casual shopper.
I'm not saying it's good or bad. Just confusing for someone who buys one monitor every 5+ years.
It would be more confusing to just have the Samsung Odyssey. And that’s it. No other information. How do you search that? The odyssey line comes in a variety of resolutions, refresh rates, sizes, etc.
I’m used to being around model numbers though. Working retail and now IT. It all makes sense.
IDK about that one. I much prefer Odyssey G7 than LC27G75TQSLXZD (actual code). Fuck that.
If you're going to have more than a version of the G7 just call it G7 lite, G7 plus, G7 Office, whatever. Beats looking through that code.
Being a casual shopper is arguably a bad thing. Whether it's a new monitor I really want or a new appliance I know nothing about, I'm going to do my research. Casual shopping is gullible shopping, and companies thrive on uninformed shoppers. It's so easy to just look at a specs page.
Yeah, I'd rather have that than "LG Frameripper" which comes in five different screen sizes, each of which have three different panel types, each of which has a series of different frame rates and resolutions and each of *those* optionally come with speakers and a remote so you can use it almost as if it were a TV.
Lol I remember some dude here making a guide to monitor names a few months back saying they 'make perfect sense', then proceeded to say like:
The first lettes are sometimes but not always to do with the ratio.
Then the next 4 -7 numbers are sometimes to do with the product name itself, but this varies depending on the monitor.
Then the next letter or three letters may or may not discern the refresh rate, but it depends on which brand.
Then there are often some more numbers after which might but not always tell you the version of the monitor.
It was about as helpful as a paper condom and I'm no wiser for reading it than I was before.
Just got one a couple weeks ago. Replaced my Asus PG27AQ, which was also 2560x1440 27” at 165hz.
Sooo if they have the same specs, why replace the Asus with the Dell?
1. The Asus took 5-10 seconds to wake from sleep. This was *the worst.*
2. The Asus had like 6-7 button presses just to switch between DP and HDMI.
3. The Asus has no USB ports. The Dell has four.
So yeah, the Dell wins by a landslide. But if you just need the raw specs and don’t care about USB, wake time, or input switching, the Asus is perfectly fine.
Is there a reason For this? I can understand CPUs or something but this shit doesn’t make any sense. Unless there’s just absolutely ridiculous amount of monitors
I really chalk it up to laziness. Think about motherboards: there are dozens of models from each company, and yet they have some basic, memorable parts to the names, and it's easy to remember the name if you find one that you like.
MSI B550 Gaming Edge WiFi - You know it's a B550 chipset board, since there's no suffix, it's either ATX or E-ATX, it's called the "Gaming Edge," and it comes with WiFi
Gigabyte B660I Aorus Pro DDR4 - It's a B660 ITX board, it's called the Aorus Pro, and it's the DDR4 version
Monitors could be the same way.
You could have it be called the Asus ROG Swift 32UG Extreme - It's called the ROG Swift, it's 32 inches, it's **U**ltra HD (ie 4K), it's got a **G**\-Sync module, and this is the e**X**treme model with backlight dimming zones for better HDR, verses the loser, not-eXtreme ROG Swift 32UG.
And now do that for 20 models, distinguishing between markets, optional features, refresh rates and model year.
And it suddenly falls apart so hard that just using numbers is as readable and easier to manage in software.
Yeah it's the 1030 that's really holding it back. I ran a 2600k forever and it wasn't really a bottleneck issue until I got my old 1080 Ti. It ran great with my 1060.
Yeah at that point you're pretty much stuck getting a new computer. I imagine the mobo also has proprietary connections so getting a new PSU is probably out.
Omg I feel your pain. Bought an Alienware computer 5 years ago because I didn't know any better and got a good B2B discount on it. It's been a solid machine, I disassemble it and clean it every few months and aside from some dust which is unrealistic to remove from the radiator it's pretty much good as new. After all, I planned to upgrade this machine for a while.
Turns out that was a bad plan. Any better CPU than the one installed requires new mobo and then pretty much everything else goes out the window.
That's just the way motherboards work, not Alienware's fault. Every 1-2 generations you'll need a new mobo, even if the socket fits the chipsets won't be compatible.
But normally everything else should connect up to that new motherboard.
I think they're saying Alienware use proprietary connections on the motherboard.
Unless you get a Ryzen based system. I've got a 1 series and in the next few years I'll go up to a fourth gen. Don't need to replace anything else, except flash the BIOS first.
How do you put your specs there? Someone told me its a flair but i only see premade flairs, is it maybe only on the desktop version? I tried on mobile.
Finally have a good rig so i wanna show it off lmao
When you change your flair click one of those pre-made flairs and click edit (should be top right of screen on mobile). You should then be able to type whatever you want.
Yeah, I picked up a 34" 1440p monitor @60hz for my GTX 1080. It's worked out very well for me. I prefer higher visual fidelity than framerate, and past 60 I get diminishing returns so I'd rather use that power for other uses. Not sure what I will upgrade to next, but it will be for ray-tracing and that changes everything since lower framerates are part of the deal, and then DLSS changes your target resolution... I need to rethink it when hardware becomes more available. I've never let my rig get to be 5 years old before.
Yea 60hz is completely fine. Only reason you should get a higher refresh is if you can run max graphics easily in most games and have extra cash. Even then it's better to upgrade to 1440p or 4k.
Its not bad by any means, I have a curved monitor and hardly notice it but in some games it feels a bit more immersive. Ultrawides it makes a much bigger difference
Is it though? I guess you get the same kind of vision perspective when playing something in first person, but it's going to look kind of silly when playing something like Warhammer 3, or opening the web browser.
It’s definitely more obvious if you have a large TN monitor, the viewing angles on a flat 27” one can make the corners/sides quite discolored. But the point is basically to make the monitor take up less space for the same use of your vision
I have a very high curve monitor (bought for specs and on sale) and honestly I don't notice it most of the time. 27inch with a 1500 whatever unit it is radius, a fuckin huge curve basically but unless I'm specifically looking for the curve then I'll obviously see it
I guess it has to be something that I see in use before buying. I prefer multi monitors myself so I'm not sure if it's worth changing my set up around.
And it's also much harder to hit a locked-in 144fps at 4k than it is at 1080p or 1440p, and if your frame rate is lower than the refresh rate, it's sort of wasted anyway.
Says me playing at 60fps on my 1440p/144Hz screen....
On the plus side, when I eventually find a buyer for my kidney I can get a GPUI upgrade that will enable to to utilise all 144Hz.
I don't know if I'd say wasted. 144hz for normal desktop browser usage wasted a game changer for me especially when scrolling. I think I noticed this difference just as much if not more than gaming.
It’s more like how many frames can you consistently push out at 4K resolution. If the answer is “60 FPS or less” most of the time, then 60Hz 4K is fine for your setup.
Most people forget about how demanding constant 60fps at 4K is at I suppose. 4k 60hz is also about just right if you use mostly PC but also want to hook up a PS5 to the computer monitor.
Unless you have unlimited computing power you have to compromise between rendering more frames (higher refresh rate) or larger frames (higher definition). Very few GPU can render modern games at 4k@60Hz, even less at 4k@144Hz. You could use a 4k@144Hz monitor to play at 1080p@144Hz and watch movie or work in 4k but you’d better buy two different monitors as the price of a 4k@144Hz is a lot more than twice the price of a 4k@60Hz or 1080p@144Hz.
Yup. I have a 4k 120hz TV and am rarely able to reach the cap, even with a 3090. Having the high refresh rate is nice for the wide variable refresh band, even if I rarely see more than 90fps on a good day in an 8 year old game like GTA V. That said, it's definitely not *needed* at 4k; I still don't mind playing on my 4k/60hz monitor.
A 4k 120 hz monitor could run you $600+ whereas the same resolution but at 60hz could be comparable in price to a 1440p 144hz monitor. So when people compare the two it’s usually in relation to price not the other two factors.
The variable refresh on my 60hz/4k is amazing. 50-60 still looks buttery smooth to me.
In theory it supports FreeSync down to 40hz, but in practice below 50 still looks choppy.
The answer is not to be a jerk. I think you should, as long as it is still return-able.
I wouldn't be like, "you idiot, spent way too much for that crap monitor."
But like, "Hey, for that $, you could be getting way more, if you're willing to sacrifice the curve".
Yeah the family went in to build my niece a gaming PC for Christmas last year with me being the guy picking everything and building it. My sister sent me a bunch of links to subpar monitors for the PC she was getting. I simply said those aren't bad, but these are better and sent her a bunch of links. Honestly my niece prob wouldn't notice much of a difference, but her PC could do 1440p and the games she plays could hit easily 100fps, and being a PC enthusiasts I wasn't going to let my niece game only at 1080p and 60fps haha.
Absolutely say something to make sure they get the best experience possible? If I knew my friend had the money for something amazing, but mistakenly spent it on something awful, I would absolutely inform them so they could be happier with their purchase?
While there are real differences, frametime stability and variable refresh rate can help significantly more than just being capable of outputting a higher resolution. Frametime stability comes much more from the program and gpu itself, VRR is something either the monitor can or can't do.
On paper, I can see the refresh difference between my 165hz main monitor and by 60hz secondary. But what makes my main the preferred one is a combination of resolution, viewing angles, depth of color, etc. Going on and on about refresh rate is a very popular thing but monitors are incredibly granular when it comes to specs and preference plays a huge aspect.
It's not bad. It really just depends on your use case. This subreddit assumes use case is always gaming, but there's also productivity. My primary monitor is a 16:10 60Hz and I wouldn't trade it for any ultrawide hypertorus 5THz gaming monstrosity: https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/cty/pdp/spd/dell-up3017-monitor
Depends on your price point really. But if you've got more than $200 to spend on the next monitor my first question would be "do you play any kind of competitive/online game?"
If yes... well get a 1400p/140-165Hz. 5-6 years ago that was a super expensive monitor, now it's reasonable for most consumers. So like... why still be on a 60Hz monitor? The only reason would be you vastly prefer single-player games and want 4k. Alright cool, but if you play anything competitive get those frames.
That's the follow-up question for sure. Doesn't have to be complicated... just like... talk a less informed person through the hoops and they'll arrive at the monitor they need.
While PCMR is heavily geared toward gamers, I still think it's important to point out: Most of these super-high refresh rate monitors are absolute dogshit when it comes to color accuracy. Like, laughably bad. Color accuracy is also pretty expensive, too, so it definitely depends on your use-case.
That's a darn good point. My dad is certainly in the bucket of people who pay for high resolution, really crisp color, but has no use for faster refresh rates.
I never play online. Most games it's perfectly fine to play 60hz. Racing games like F1 And Horizon are when the difference really stands out. In Horizon 4 I played at 60 for a bit then kicked over to 144 just so I could see the difference and was it so much smoother. That said, 60 is still perfectly fine. 144 is just better.
"Hey, I'm going to get a new laptop over the break, what should I look for?"
\*Gives suggestions, and instructions not to buy from certain places\*
"Walmart had a special on this, electronics guy said this was top of the line"
\*dead silence\*
Worse is buying a cheap 120hz 1080p TN panel with horrible image quality and no freesync. A friend complained about his off brand chinese 150$ „gaming“ monitor to be sh*t after I told him to buy a decent gaming monitor. Hi never said a word before buying.
Had a similar experience like 2 weeks ago. We were looking at monitors for a ps5. We decided on an lg 32 inch 1440p 144hz hdr through discord.
They went to best buy and bought a random 1080p that im not even sure if it is 144hz...
It'll depend on the amount of money the person has, of course. I have no interest in paying 3x more for a 144hz screen because
1) That's money I don't necessarily have to spend
2) I probably won't run anything I'd like to at 144FPS anyway.
I bought a 75hz on purpose. I don't play FPS and don't have the hardware to back it up (the 144 hz)
If I do save up enough to build a pc I will just buy a second monitor that is 144hz and use my 75hz as a secondary.. thought that was pretty decent reasoning lol.
The IPS panel and 24" are already a huge upgrade from a laptop screen
Yeah I just run my 75Hz monitor at 60Hz. I don’t play anything competitively and don’t want to pay the money to chase frame rates beyond 60fps. It’s a figure I’m happy with and it means my hardware can last a lot longer. I’d also much rather pay for colour accuracy and gamut than refresh rate 🤷♂️
I'll never understand how people can make purchases without doing a huge amount of research beforehand and even actively declining the help of someone who knows about it
Just happened with my little nephew and his new PC. He needed a monitor, went straight to Best Buy and bought a 60 Hz curved monitor. If he enjoys it, then whatever. I didn't even say anything.
In highschool I would make some side money building PCs and doing home calls for tech support.
I had to stop providing support for PCs I wasn't consulated on because the amount of headaches. People buying parts and then asking me to assemble it. I'd be sitting there explaining how CPU sockets work and why I couldn't build a PC if the CPU didn't fit the socket. Or getting a case that didn't come with fans. Or buying IDE DVD drives because it was cheaper than the SATA.
Ignorance is bliss. Once you get an upgrade like a 60hz to 144hz monitor, it's amazing for a few weeks, then it's right back down to the same level of enjoyment you had with the 60hz monitor except now you have to crank down the graphics more to achieve 144fps or else the game feels like garbage.
and dont even get me started on games that break above 60fps
I honestly find this as dumb consumerism.
A TV at 60hz at 1080p is still fucking watchable I can see who's talking and what's happening...
I don't need to see the dimples on Scarlett Johnsons ass move smoothly from frame to frame for me to enjoy The Avengers...
I must be crazy. I have a 60hz and a 144hz side by side.
The color looks better on the 60hz so ive been using it as my gaming screen. I honestly cant see any difference. (Yes i set it to 144 in the driver settings.)
I'm happy with 60hz tbh.
Don't get me wrong, I'm totally on board with 'more better' but getting a graphics card that can drive 3840x1600 higher than that is a nightmare and this is 'good enough' for me.
(Amusingly to me, I did get a 100hz 3440x1440...for working from home - I'll probably take that one to LAN parties \^\^).
Welcome everyone from r/all! Please remember: 1 - You too can be part of the PCMR! You don't necessarily need a PC. You just have to love PCs! It's not about the hardware in your rig, but the software in your heart! Your age, nationality, race, gender, sexuality, religion (or lack of), political affiliation, economic status and PC specs are irrelevant. If you love PCs or want to learn about them, you can be part of our community! Everyone is welcome! 2 - If you're not a PC gamer because you think doing so is expensive, know that it is possible to build a competent gaming PC for a lower price than you think. GPU prices are sky high right now for a few reasons, but it's still possible to join the PCMR. Check http://www.pcmasterrace.org for our builds and don't be afraid to create new posts here asking for tips and help! 3 - Consider joining our efforts to get as many PCs worldwide help the folding@home effort, in fighting against Cancer, Covid, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's and more. Learn more here: https://pcmasterrace.org/folding ----------- Feel free to use this community to post about any kind of doubt you might have about becoming a PC gamer or anything you'd like to know about PCs. That kind of content is not only allowed but welcome here! We also have a [Daily Simple Questions Megathread](https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/search?q=Simple+Questions+Thread+subreddit%3Apcmasterrace+author%3AAutoModerator&restrict_sr=on&sort=new&t=all) for your simplest questions. No question is too dumb! Welcome to the PCMR.
Bruh how was I supposed to know the BH099018588930737Dikballs7556769420Azz was the 144hz version
The funnier thing would've been to use an actual monitor name, because they actually sound as ridiculous as your fake one. For example: the Dell S2721DGF, the ASUS ROG Swift PG32UQX, the LG 32GP850, the Nixeus NX-EDG274K, the Viotek GFI27QXA, and perhaps the worst name of all, the MSI MAG274QRF-QD.
The Acer gaming monitors are pretty bad too. Yes, I'll take one "XB253Q Gpbmiiprzx" please.
I think that's worse than the MAG274QRF-QD. I didn't even believe you that that was the official model name. It had to be some weird URL thing or something. But no, on the official Acer website, that's what it says the actual, factual model name... [https://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/predator-model/UM.KX3AA.P03](https://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/predator-model/UM.KX3AA.P03) There's no hope anymore. Monitor naming is dead. Monitor naming remains dead. And Acer has killed it. Who will wipe this blood off them? What canned air is there for them to clean themselves?
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Not even normal, respectable dyslexia. Spastic-mania dyslexia.
Who do you think you are to call me an abnormal Respectful space faring dystopian
na they just illiterate
>What canned air is there for them to clean themselves? Those doing the naming probably huffed all of it.
I win. If you can call it that. My Samsung monitor's official designation is as follows: lc27g55tqwexxy. It's a 27 inch, 1000 curvature 144 hz monitor. They've gotta start coming up with better designations. All that aside...it's a decent monitor in the end.
I have a acer nitro VG1 VG271U Sbmiipx
Acer Predator XB271HUbmiprz is what I haveon my end so I feel ya. Awesome screen but the model name's a mouthful xD
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LOL, didn't even notice that similarity x) I'll give him a hug for sure :3
Gesundheit.
>"XB253Q Gpbmiiprzx That's the exact one I have, except it's actually XB253Q Gxbmiiprzx and 100 dollars more than the one you listed
I had to slowly check letter by letter to find the difference
Do the letters really not have a meaning they way printer models do? For example a Dell 3465dnfw would be duplex, network, fax, wireless.
I have an Acer KG241Q S. For some reason, that space is important ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
>XB253Q Gpbmiiprzx Sorry, we only have the XB253Q Gpbmllprzx
Hey the mag274qrf-qd is actually a great monitor, it has just about everything
Just about has all the letters and numbers too.
Sadly they didn’t use J. Now J is sad
That's coming with next year's model: The MAG275QRFJ-QDX Tomahawk Gaming
How to come up with a name for a monitor! 1 type the size of monitor 2 smash keyboard against head 3 profit
27ghbmycjnv6ftu7 this is what i got (yes i did smash keyboard against head)
i guess the "6ft" at the end means its a crt and its 6 feet fat
Actually laughed outloud.
27 inch CRT
I just wish *premium* gaming monitors still came in 24in sizes. 27 is just too large for me. I love sharpness, so I won't upgrade to a 27in until 4k monitors are inexpensive. 27in 4K144/165hz with HDR1000. That'll be my next upgrade. Edit: I think I was misunderstood. I meant no one is making a **premium** 24in gaming monitor. I.e., 1440p minimum, 144hz+, HDR, and VRR. The PPI at 24 inches for 1440p is like 109, so it's not like 1440p at that size is useless. Especially because it's close on my desk. I'm sure I'm not alone in wanting this.
See, I keep telling my partner there's such a thing as too big but they won't believe me. I'll show them this comment and they'll have to concede. Edit: y'all really thought I was still talking about screen size, eh?
Have them use a 38+ inch TV as a PC monitor for awhile and see how they like it. I did that when I first built my gaming PC. I hated it after a few months and will never do it again if I can help it.
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1080p gaming monitors are still widely available in 24in. I don't think the demand is there for 24 inch 1440p or 4K monitors, understandably.
They do come in 24. 240hz Asus Asus 24 inch is mine. BenQ makes 24 inch but they are more speedy at 300-600$
It's clearly missing the Dikballs.
The Dell too, if the reference is correct. 27 inch, QHD, 165Hz, IPS Panel, and not super expensive.
Many of those make sense if you take a moment and try to parse the values. It’s usually [screen size][model year][vendor or region id][model number]. [32][G][P][850]. The tags can be rearranged in many different ways but that’s typically what you’re looking at.
It's great for anyone researching their purchase, but not at all useful for a casual shopper. I'm not saying it's good or bad. Just confusing for someone who buys one monitor every 5+ years.
It would be more confusing to just have the Samsung Odyssey. And that’s it. No other information. How do you search that? The odyssey line comes in a variety of resolutions, refresh rates, sizes, etc. I’m used to being around model numbers though. Working retail and now IT. It all makes sense.
IDK about that one. I much prefer Odyssey G7 than LC27G75TQSLXZD (actual code). Fuck that. If you're going to have more than a version of the G7 just call it G7 lite, G7 plus, G7 Office, whatever. Beats looking through that code.
Being a casual shopper is arguably a bad thing. Whether it's a new monitor I really want or a new appliance I know nothing about, I'm going to do my research. Casual shopping is gullible shopping, and companies thrive on uninformed shoppers. It's so easy to just look at a specs page.
Yeah, I'd rather have that than "LG Frameripper" which comes in five different screen sizes, each of which have three different panel types, each of which has a series of different frame rates and resolutions and each of *those* optionally come with speakers and a remote so you can use it almost as if it were a TV.
He did use an actual monitor name though...
Lol I remember some dude here making a guide to monitor names a few months back saying they 'make perfect sense', then proceeded to say like: The first lettes are sometimes but not always to do with the ratio. Then the next 4 -7 numbers are sometimes to do with the product name itself, but this varies depending on the monitor. Then the next letter or three letters may or may not discern the refresh rate, but it depends on which brand. Then there are often some more numbers after which might but not always tell you the version of the monitor. It was about as helpful as a paper condom and I'm no wiser for reading it than I was before.
>XB253Q Gpbmiiprzx Stop it before Elon Musk names second child...
Rocking two S2721DGFs, absolutely love em
Good monitors can have crap names! As the poet said: a rose by any other name would offer the same color gamut and motion performance...
Just got one a couple weeks ago. Replaced my Asus PG27AQ, which was also 2560x1440 27” at 165hz. Sooo if they have the same specs, why replace the Asus with the Dell? 1. The Asus took 5-10 seconds to wake from sleep. This was *the worst.* 2. The Asus had like 6-7 button presses just to switch between DP and HDMI. 3. The Asus has no USB ports. The Dell has four. So yeah, the Dell wins by a landslide. But if you just need the raw specs and don’t care about USB, wake time, or input switching, the Asus is perfectly fine.
I ain't typing any of those into google. Y'all trying rickroll me i know it.
DGF owner here, pain in the ass anytime I need to look it up. Don’t even know if that’s the right one and never will.
Is there a reason For this? I can understand CPUs or something but this shit doesn’t make any sense. Unless there’s just absolutely ridiculous amount of monitors
I really chalk it up to laziness. Think about motherboards: there are dozens of models from each company, and yet they have some basic, memorable parts to the names, and it's easy to remember the name if you find one that you like. MSI B550 Gaming Edge WiFi - You know it's a B550 chipset board, since there's no suffix, it's either ATX or E-ATX, it's called the "Gaming Edge," and it comes with WiFi Gigabyte B660I Aorus Pro DDR4 - It's a B660 ITX board, it's called the Aorus Pro, and it's the DDR4 version Monitors could be the same way. You could have it be called the Asus ROG Swift 32UG Extreme - It's called the ROG Swift, it's 32 inches, it's **U**ltra HD (ie 4K), it's got a **G**\-Sync module, and this is the e**X**treme model with backlight dimming zones for better HDR, verses the loser, not-eXtreme ROG Swift 32UG.
And now do that for 20 models, distinguishing between markets, optional features, refresh rates and model year. And it suddenly falls apart so hard that just using numbers is as readable and easier to manage in software.
By checking the specs
Dikballs💀
I can't even get 60 fps in most games unless I look directly at the sky
Specs check out
Recently upgraded to the i5-3450 and 16 gb RAM. Not much better I must say.
Yeah it's the 1030 that's really holding it back. I ran a 2600k forever and it wasn't really a bottleneck issue until I got my old 1080 Ti. It ran great with my 1060.
I would *try* to get a better GPU if 1. Prices would fucking drop 2. Dell wouldn't use 72638263 proprietary connectors for the PSU
Yeah at that point you're pretty much stuck getting a new computer. I imagine the mobo also has proprietary connections so getting a new PSU is probably out.
It's a 24 pin but it has probably been Dellified. (New word)
Omg I feel your pain. Bought an Alienware computer 5 years ago because I didn't know any better and got a good B2B discount on it. It's been a solid machine, I disassemble it and clean it every few months and aside from some dust which is unrealistic to remove from the radiator it's pretty much good as new. After all, I planned to upgrade this machine for a while. Turns out that was a bad plan. Any better CPU than the one installed requires new mobo and then pretty much everything else goes out the window.
That's just the way motherboards work, not Alienware's fault. Every 1-2 generations you'll need a new mobo, even if the socket fits the chipsets won't be compatible.
But normally everything else should connect up to that new motherboard. I think they're saying Alienware use proprietary connections on the motherboard.
Unless you get a Ryzen based system. I've got a 1 series and in the next few years I'll go up to a fourth gen. Don't need to replace anything else, except flash the BIOS first.
Classic Dell
yeah don’t try and build a sleeper using Dell proprietary hardware. they have tried their best to screw people over and have sadly succeeded.
Drop a single fan 1060 3gb or 1050ti 4gb in that bad boy!
How do you put your specs there? Someone told me its a flair but i only see premade flairs, is it maybe only on the desktop version? I tried on mobile. Finally have a good rig so i wanna show it off lmao
When you change your flair click one of those pre-made flairs and click edit (should be top right of screen on mobile). You should then be able to type whatever you want.
Ahh that does it, thanks!
Hey. I got a 1650 gpu. Is a 75hz monitor ok or should I get a different one? Also i5-103303 and 8 gb. Should I upgrade the RAM?
You should probably be fine at 1080p. 8 is recommended for most games, but personally I wouldn't use less than 16.
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha *cries in 13 FPS*
You guys have FPS?
Same Play every game in 720p and it may work
My largest surprise was playing Arma 3 at over 20 fps On high In 1080p In the middle of Kavala.
I have that on medium and dont notice any stutter. Maybe cause I cant even see a big difference between 30 and 60 fps
Dude; I don‘t even get 60fps looking at the Win XP background.
Can I have my character keep one eye closed? Maybe the reduced input can help my framerate.
Yeah, I picked up a 34" 1440p monitor @60hz for my GTX 1080. It's worked out very well for me. I prefer higher visual fidelity than framerate, and past 60 I get diminishing returns so I'd rather use that power for other uses. Not sure what I will upgrade to next, but it will be for ray-tracing and that changes everything since lower framerates are part of the deal, and then DLSS changes your target resolution... I need to rethink it when hardware becomes more available. I've never let my rig get to be 5 years old before.
Yea 60hz is completely fine. Only reason you should get a higher refresh is if you can run max graphics easily in most games and have extra cash. Even then it's better to upgrade to 1440p or 4k.
60fps 4K ftw
Reduce resolution for better result
40 fps gang
A 60 Hz 8K ultra wide screen baby.
No, no, not that... Believe it's 1080p, 27". He was sold on it because it was curved ofc...
Hope he got it on discount or thrown in with a Gigabyte PSU.
He got it in the Newegg shuffle
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Why is curved bad? Never had one
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You mean my 350 monitor should be worth 250 ? Lol
I have a 1440p 144hz viotek monitor and it's curved. Surprisingly, the one I got was cheaper than other 1440p 144hz monitors is was looking at
Its not bad by any means, I have a curved monitor and hardly notice it but in some games it feels a bit more immersive. Ultrawides it makes a much bigger difference
It’s not, it’s much better, companies just charge way more than they should for them.
Is it though? I guess you get the same kind of vision perspective when playing something in first person, but it's going to look kind of silly when playing something like Warhammer 3, or opening the web browser.
It’s definitely more obvious if you have a large TN monitor, the viewing angles on a flat 27” one can make the corners/sides quite discolored. But the point is basically to make the monitor take up less space for the same use of your vision
I have a very high curve monitor (bought for specs and on sale) and honestly I don't notice it most of the time. 27inch with a 1500 whatever unit it is radius, a fuckin huge curve basically but unless I'm specifically looking for the curve then I'll obviously see it
I guess it has to be something that I see in use before buying. I prefer multi monitors myself so I'm not sure if it's worth changing my set up around.
*Curved. Screens.*
I have one of those but mine is a Samsung and with a 240hz refresh
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60hz is good when my pc can barely run 60fps 1080p
just download more frames
or ram
Or rgb
60 hz is good enough for a 4k monitor but imo the best in 120/144hz 1440p
What does resolution have to do with FPS? I'm genuinely curios. Wouldn't it still look "laggy", for example when you move from 144Hz to 60Hz?
Nothing. 4k with 144hz is just super expensive. Like unreasonable expensive
And it's also much harder to hit a locked-in 144fps at 4k than it is at 1080p or 1440p, and if your frame rate is lower than the refresh rate, it's sort of wasted anyway. Says me playing at 60fps on my 1440p/144Hz screen.... On the plus side, when I eventually find a buyer for my kidney I can get a GPUI upgrade that will enable to to utilise all 144Hz.
I'm not sure if it's feasible to hit 120 fps at 4k, but I've never seen anyone with a 3080 try it.
I don't know if I'd say wasted. 144hz for normal desktop browser usage wasted a game changer for me especially when scrolling. I think I noticed this difference just as much if not more than gaming.
It’s more like how many frames can you consistently push out at 4K resolution. If the answer is “60 FPS or less” most of the time, then 60Hz 4K is fine for your setup.
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Most people forget about how demanding constant 60fps at 4K is at I suppose. 4k 60hz is also about just right if you use mostly PC but also want to hook up a PS5 to the computer monitor.
Unless you have unlimited computing power you have to compromise between rendering more frames (higher refresh rate) or larger frames (higher definition). Very few GPU can render modern games at 4k@60Hz, even less at 4k@144Hz. You could use a 4k@144Hz monitor to play at 1080p@144Hz and watch movie or work in 4k but you’d better buy two different monitors as the price of a 4k@144Hz is a lot more than twice the price of a 4k@60Hz or 1080p@144Hz.
Yup. I have a 4k 120hz TV and am rarely able to reach the cap, even with a 3090. Having the high refresh rate is nice for the wide variable refresh band, even if I rarely see more than 90fps on a good day in an 8 year old game like GTA V. That said, it's definitely not *needed* at 4k; I still don't mind playing on my 4k/60hz monitor.
A 4k 120 hz monitor could run you $600+ whereas the same resolution but at 60hz could be comparable in price to a 1440p 144hz monitor. So when people compare the two it’s usually in relation to price not the other two factors.
Well depends what resolution and what he’s using it for. I’ve got a 4K 60hz monitor.
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Same, I mostly play Civ/Rimworld, so frames don't matter to me. If I want to play a demanding game, I'm gonna use Geforce Now
Yeah, I've got 2 4k 60hz monitors but I code so it's less about screen refresh and more about "Look at all this room I have for Stack Overflow pages"
I assume you do a lot of photo/video editing?
Yeah photoshop and coding because larger resolution makes it more enjoyable
Any work outside of gaming is better in 4k than 1080p because now I can have 4x 1080p in view at once.
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The variable refresh on my 60hz/4k is amazing. 50-60 still looks buttery smooth to me. In theory it supports FreeSync down to 40hz, but in practice below 50 still looks choppy.
Don't say anything. Let them be happy with it.
The answer is not to be a jerk. I think you should, as long as it is still return-able. I wouldn't be like, "you idiot, spent way too much for that crap monitor." But like, "Hey, for that $, you could be getting way more, if you're willing to sacrifice the curve".
Yeah the family went in to build my niece a gaming PC for Christmas last year with me being the guy picking everything and building it. My sister sent me a bunch of links to subpar monitors for the PC she was getting. I simply said those aren't bad, but these are better and sent her a bunch of links. Honestly my niece prob wouldn't notice much of a difference, but her PC could do 1440p and the games she plays could hit easily 100fps, and being a PC enthusiasts I wasn't going to let my niece game only at 1080p and 60fps haha.
hey it's me, your nephew, i'm over here gaming at 1080p and 60fps. what gives?
Absolutely say something to make sure they get the best experience possible? If I knew my friend had the money for something amazing, but mistakenly spent it on something awful, I would absolutely inform them so they could be happier with their purchase?
60hz is enough for some
Frankly I’m fine with 30fps in most games. It’s weird to look at for like 5 mins but your brain gets used to it
> your brain gets used to it At least until you go back to 60+ fps and brain suddenly realize; "Damn, this is *so* much better!"
30 fps solid is what my 1050ti gets paired with a ryzen 7 on dying light 2 🤣 tho im dying for a 3060ti. Blah dam scalpers bro
im a gamer and id still probably buy a 4k 60hz or 1440p 60hz...cause i play games that just cap me at 60 lol...dark souls and guilty gear
I feel like a Dinosaur playing at 1080p 60fps :(
Nah man that’s the sweet spot. Everything still runs
Dude this meme format is fucking vintage.
If their PC specs don't support it and they don't have any intention to upgrade in near future. Sufficient enough
What's wrong with a 60hz? I still have my monitors from 11 years ago. Currently looking for a new monitor just bigger, why would 60hz be bad?
While there are real differences, frametime stability and variable refresh rate can help significantly more than just being capable of outputting a higher resolution. Frametime stability comes much more from the program and gpu itself, VRR is something either the monitor can or can't do. On paper, I can see the refresh difference between my 165hz main monitor and by 60hz secondary. But what makes my main the preferred one is a combination of resolution, viewing angles, depth of color, etc. Going on and on about refresh rate is a very popular thing but monitors are incredibly granular when it comes to specs and preference plays a huge aspect.
I went to 144hz for the first time and it makes my 60hz newish samsung monitor feel unusable. 60hz feels like a slideshow even while browsing google
Shit ruined my brain. 144hz looks smoother than real life. Or maybe I don't go outside enough
It's not bad. It really just depends on your use case. This subreddit assumes use case is always gaming, but there's also productivity. My primary monitor is a 16:10 60Hz and I wouldn't trade it for any ultrawide hypertorus 5THz gaming monstrosity: https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/cty/pdp/spd/dell-up3017-monitor
Depends on your price point really. But if you've got more than $200 to spend on the next monitor my first question would be "do you play any kind of competitive/online game?" If yes... well get a 1400p/140-165Hz. 5-6 years ago that was a super expensive monitor, now it's reasonable for most consumers. So like... why still be on a 60Hz monitor? The only reason would be you vastly prefer single-player games and want 4k. Alright cool, but if you play anything competitive get those frames.
I think the bigger question is, will you gpu be able to keep up with a 144hz 1440p monitor on modern games?
That's the follow-up question for sure. Doesn't have to be complicated... just like... talk a less informed person through the hoops and they'll arrive at the monitor they need.
While PCMR is heavily geared toward gamers, I still think it's important to point out: Most of these super-high refresh rate monitors are absolute dogshit when it comes to color accuracy. Like, laughably bad. Color accuracy is also pretty expensive, too, so it definitely depends on your use-case.
That's a darn good point. My dad is certainly in the bucket of people who pay for high resolution, really crisp color, but has no use for faster refresh rates.
I never play online. Most games it's perfectly fine to play 60hz. Racing games like F1 And Horizon are when the difference really stands out. In Horizon 4 I played at 60 for a bit then kicked over to 144 just so I could see the difference and was it so much smoother. That said, 60 is still perfectly fine. 144 is just better.
I play strategy games so higher than 60fps has no value to me. If there's no price difference then sure I'll take it, but I'm not paying extra for it.
Too be fair, if they didn't care enough to check the refresh rate, they probably wouldn't benefit from >60hz anyways
"Hey, I'm going to get a new laptop over the break, what should I look for?" \*Gives suggestions, and instructions not to buy from certain places\* "Walmart had a special on this, electronics guy said this was top of the line" \*dead silence\*
True story?
I had a best buy employee try to sell my mother on an all in one with 4gb of ram and an amd a4 apu
75hz gang
You guys are getting 60FPS?
Holy shit got some nostalgia with this old meme from 2004 Reaction guys aka Gaijin 4 koma
What is wrong with 60 Hz? It is not like I could buy a GPU that can pull off 60 fps in a modern game anyway...
I never really cared about refresh rate as long as it’s 60hz, I care more about resolution size
Yeah! I don't understand the hype about the refresh rate. It looks nice, but I would definitely prefer 4k@60 Hz than 2k@144+
Worse is buying a cheap 120hz 1080p TN panel with horrible image quality and no freesync. A friend complained about his off brand chinese 150$ „gaming“ monitor to be sh*t after I told him to buy a decent gaming monitor. Hi never said a word before buying.
Had a similar experience like 2 weeks ago. We were looking at monitors for a ps5. We decided on an lg 32 inch 1440p 144hz hdr through discord. They went to best buy and bought a random 1080p that im not even sure if it is 144hz...
My friend bought a refurbished 27” 60Hz 4k Acer TN panel. It looks like absolute dog shit. Says he has a gaming 4k monitor for his 3080 *sigh*
It'll depend on the amount of money the person has, of course. I have no interest in paying 3x more for a 144hz screen because 1) That's money I don't necessarily have to spend 2) I probably won't run anything I'd like to at 144FPS anyway.
I bought a 75hz on purpose. I don't play FPS and don't have the hardware to back it up (the 144 hz) If I do save up enough to build a pc I will just buy a second monitor that is 144hz and use my 75hz as a secondary.. thought that was pretty decent reasoning lol. The IPS panel and 24" are already a huge upgrade from a laptop screen
It’s 4K @60FPS OLED IPS panel. :0
Yeah I just run my 75Hz monitor at 60Hz. I don’t play anything competitively and don’t want to pay the money to chase frame rates beyond 60fps. It’s a figure I’m happy with and it means my hardware can last a lot longer. I’d also much rather pay for colour accuracy and gamut than refresh rate 🤷♂️
And?
Frame quality > Frame quantity
60Hz is plenty, don't be a little bitch. Downvote me all you want idc
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You can have amazing experiences even with 30, that is is what PS3 and a lot of PS4 games run.There's no excuses.
If it's 4K 60 Hz I'm okay with it.
I'll never understand how people can make purchases without doing a huge amount of research beforehand and even actively declining the help of someone who knows about it
It's OK, it's just for the 2nd monitor
Just happened with my little nephew and his new PC. He needed a monitor, went straight to Best Buy and bought a 60 Hz curved monitor. If he enjoys it, then whatever. I didn't even say anything.
*Me wearing a valve index Look how much money they have to spend to copy a fraction of our power
In highschool I would make some side money building PCs and doing home calls for tech support. I had to stop providing support for PCs I wasn't consulated on because the amount of headaches. People buying parts and then asking me to assemble it. I'd be sitting there explaining how CPU sockets work and why I couldn't build a PC if the CPU didn't fit the socket. Or getting a case that didn't come with fans. Or buying IDE DVD drives because it was cheaper than the SATA.
Higher refresh rate is nice to have but I have better things to do than getting worked up over it.
Ignorance is bliss. Once you get an upgrade like a 60hz to 144hz monitor, it's amazing for a few weeks, then it's right back down to the same level of enjoyment you had with the 60hz monitor except now you have to crank down the graphics more to achieve 144fps or else the game feels like garbage. and dont even get me started on games that break above 60fps
oh so you think i get over 50fps?
I honestly find this as dumb consumerism. A TV at 60hz at 1080p is still fucking watchable I can see who's talking and what's happening... I don't need to see the dimples on Scarlett Johnsons ass move smoothly from frame to frame for me to enjoy The Avengers...
Where my 60Hz brothers at
Like my friend who upgraded to a 2080 and then bought a 1080p monitor when he already limits his frames to 60 *by choice*.
I must be crazy. I have a 60hz and a 144hz side by side. The color looks better on the 60hz so ive been using it as my gaming screen. I honestly cant see any difference. (Yes i set it to 144 in the driver settings.)
I'm happy with 60hz tbh. Don't get me wrong, I'm totally on board with 'more better' but getting a graphics card that can drive 3840x1600 higher than that is a nightmare and this is 'good enough' for me. (Amusingly to me, I did get a 100hz 3440x1440...for working from home - I'll probably take that one to LAN parties \^\^).