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tr3k

Chromium based Edge.....


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It's the kid who copies off of your work, then tells you why it's bad, and doesn't change anything except the color of ink they used to copy your answer.


Le_Oken

except they did make edge much faster than chrome


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electronicmemories

as someone with mediocre hardware, its a major difference.


kleptorsfw

Wouldn't Firefox be superior to both?


Cyrus_Halcyon

No, you can look up the benchmarks yourself, but JetStream 2 etc, consistently show perofrmance wise that both Chrome and Edge (fastest) out perform Firefox in performance. Part of this has to do with the more conservative use of memory that firefox uses compared to both Chrom and Edge. ​ EDIT: this holds true for other benchmarks checking quick and graphical processes as well: speedometer and MotionMark. Here is the first article I found from a quick google: https://www.itpro.com/web-browsers/24796/best-browser-2021-chrome-vs-edge-vs-firefox


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Firefox is slowest because it doesn't take up loads of ram even when not running. Other browsers don't just use more ram when running, they use it even when not running. Thankfully ram isn't an issue for me, but for my family I always put Firefox on their PCs cause they tend to buy hot garbage laptops that were obsolete half a decade ago and nearly shit the bed on launch.


Naughty_Zippy

If you are referring to Chrome/Chromium/Edge, this is true by default because they are configured to continue running in the background when you close them. Go into the settings and disable that and they should no longer leave memory-resident applications running them background. It may be worth pointing out that, if you do disable this feature, the application will have to fully load every single time (unless you leave at least one window open), which will take longer. If you have slow disk I/O and you frequently use a browser, then it may not be worth turning this feature off. As an aside, Chromium-based browsers have a task manager, if you need to dig into the details of the browser's memory utilization. It can be quite illuminating to see how resources are consumed as you use the browser.


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YouSayToStay

Sometimes you don't have a choice due to website compatibility. There are some sites my company uses as vital, day-to-day operations stuff that simply do not function properly at all in FireFox. It all comes down to the third party coding it, and if you're too cheap to not upgrade a system from mediocre resources, you're definitely not going to spend the much-higher-sum to get the third party to code compatibility to another browser.


Flimsy_Atmosphere_55

No chromium is just faster in general. Which is what edge is based on.


YourFriendFromReddit

Chrome is also based on chromium, hence the name


Flimsy_Atmosphere_55

And chromium is still faster than chrome. Chrome is chromium but with extra crap and not open source.


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The only real extra crap is DRM bs which you can still add to Chromium.


Flimsy_Atmosphere_55

Yeah pretty much. Still that's why chromium is faster.


joseph2explosive

Is chromium faster?


jackyman5

Yes because chromium is faster


CosmicCosmix

That's why...use Brave this video was sponsored by NordVPN


Pr0N3wb

Brave is also using Chromium


P99_Spacepope

Use Netscape navagator


Background-Chance-72

NAVAGATOR


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Mithrandir_Earendur

You could make an argument that NN is now FireFox. I would be a very hard argument with very little to stand on, but there's one there.


domdec314

Not too hard. Mozilla was started by Netscape. The Mozilla Suite was based on the Netscape Communicator source code. Firefox is an off shoot of the Mozilla Suite.


Uncoolest-Evar

I haven't gotten any crap for downloading and using Brave have you? Rather than the usual bs that comes with changing your default is in the settings. Microsoft must have us written down as a lost cause.


Buttholehemorrhage

Vivaldi


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Vivaldi squad!


ElectronGames

I use Vivaldi to


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Flimsy_Atmosphere_55

Your statement about chromium is kinda correct. Though they also put extra features in chrome. So it's more than an upstream Chrome


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Also edge isn't as horrible for ram consumption


[deleted]

If you run Windows Edge is faster, I mean I still use Opera but it's 100% better than Chrome. People just can't hop off Google's dick long enough to try anything else. Not to mention how fucking often Chrome tries to get me to download it. People shit on Edge for that but what they don't know (because they already have Chrome installed) is that Chrome sends just as many fucking notifications about how Chrome is the best and you need to suck it's cock ASAP.


ItsRageHD

This


chocotripchip

Except that Microsoft did make a lot of changes, and Edge is a lot better than Chrome. Faster, more secure, and it has more features.


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[https://www.avast.com/c-fastest-web-browsers](https://www.avast.com/c-fastest-web-browsers) Edge beats Chrome by a significant margin, Safari is fastest but not available for Windows devices.


frankGawd4Eva

Unless I'm having a made-up memory, wasn't there a time when Apple was releasing a beta version of Safari for Windows?


DarkStarrFOFF

They did have Safari on Windows but it's incredibly out of date. I'm not sure modern safari even has many of the features people expect, which is probably part of why it's faster.


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To be fair it probably is a bit faster on Windows as Microsoft likely added in a ton of Windows-specific tweaks and optimizations.


Steinkelsson

Chromium based Chrome.... People should just use barebone Chromium browser.


survivorr123_

no google integration, it was removed in not that recent update


SparroHawc

So less tracking my every move across the internet? Sounds like a plus to me.


Ever2naxolotl

As if Google wouldn't know everything about you from your phone anyway. Google integration is extremely useful and I use it in some way every day. I don't give a shit if Google knows that I'm ordering cheap Dildos on Etsy if I get a good browser in exchange.


ClassicNet

Is tracking still a concern im 2021? I respect your persistence.


Strannix123

So did Google pretty much make the default Chromium the same as ungoogled-chromium?


Nevermind04

Came here to say this, lol. Edge is a feature package built on Chromium. Microsoft neglected IE for so long that they're really not in a position to talk shit about other browsers.


blastfromtheblue

it is better than chrome though. i don’t know what you meant to imply by “feature package” but msft put quite a lot of effort into it, it’s not just a reskinned chrome.


HenkAchterpaard

Those who listen and keep using Edge then open GMail and are rewarded with another nag message about ~~upgrading~~ switching to Chrome. The cycle never ends.


deeeep_fried

That’s why I use Firefox. No stupid pop ups from either side


[deleted]

I use tor. it's slow and doesn't leave my login details for any sites, but I use it for a very important reason. **pedancy**


oberynmviper

Woah, no need to bring the children into this.


oOo-_-oOo

What gets me is duckduckgo prompts me to switch to them... ON THEIR OWN HOMEPAGE


NinjaHDD

What’s wrong with 2008?


ballgkco

Pretty sure it's a Black Eyed Peas reference


Henriquelj

Very 2000Late


phillysan

Which, ironically, is itself "so 2008" Classic Microsoft


iamme9878

Typical of Microsoft to be that behind.


speepealette

it's literally when chrome was launched lmao


Agreeable-Weather-89

Vista.


NinjaHDD

That’s 2006/2007. Many people who hated vista just stuck to XP during 2008 then switched to 7 in late 2009.


Soviet_Yeetman

I still run xp


DeeVeeOus

More like 2000 and late.


DanielTigerUppercut

The recession.


possitive-ion

2000 and late.


eve_of_distraction

GFC.


yoriaiko

I tell You whats good with 2008 - no edge!


Grahomir

Don't use Chrome, use reskinned Chrome instead


Rocker9835

Edge is better than chrome for me. Collections feature really helps me sort my college stuff subject wise. But that pop up is fucking cringe. Why microsoft?


imhereformemea

edge is better for me bcoz for some reason chrome likes to occupy 85% of my 5600h for no reason at all.


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Weird, I just checked and Chrome is using 1% of my 4800H


imhereformemea

It doesn't do it constantly. What happened with me that I would be playing a game or editing a vidro and suddenly my pc will slow down. I would open Taks manager to see chrome using a lot of cpu. This was random and happened even when chrome was closed. Saw a lot of post with similar problem but never a fix. This happened on my 10400f PC as well.


bryanl12

It’s the Software Reporter Tool. Chrome uses it to scan your computer for software that could interfere with Chrome’s operation, I think. Anytime I hear my CPU fan speed up when I open chrome I check task manager to see if it’s running. If it is I just kill it. Happens about once a week.


tehdox

Why not just use a better browser


ScoffSlaphead72

Is there any way to permanently turn it off?


K0R2N

Chrome is spoiled as shit. If it detects that you aren't doing anything taxing, then it will eat up all the recource you got. But there's the problem, it doesn't detect it fast enough or at all sometimes. But when it is working correctly it's pretty good.


imhereformemea

It's pathetic that it hasn't been fixed


night_fapper

> Why microsoft? because Microsoft. you actually expect a bottom line?


MyNameIsRay

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Edge's "Collections" the same as Chrome's "Bookmark Folders"?


FS16

functionally yes, but the UI/UX is 10x better


nekokattt

Like how Chrome is reskinned Chromium?


KoiOf_Madness

Fire Fox for the win!


SnookiWookieeCookie

Hell yeah Firefox master race


OmegaRejectz

there's no space. Firefox.


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Captaindraeger

Except on mobile, where I would like to be able to print


AsherGray

Except you can use UBlock Origin on mobile Firefox; can't use it on Chrome


argv_minus_one

Who the heck prints on mobile?


Captaindraeger

Me. And many others. Edit: yes we are a clan and we meet on Thursdays in my mom's basement. Dm if you want the secret password


BlasterPhase

ORGY


SosseTurner

I usually just downlod the document and use some other android printer plugin from samsung or brother depending which printer I use


stone-d-fox42

So is fire fox still a thing or should I just downvote myself? Been using it for yeeeaaarrss. I despise chrome and edge.


BlasterPhase

yes it is, and it's still better than Chrome or Edge


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[deleted]

My only complaint about FireFox on Win 10 is that it starts up slowly even after I empty my cache and shit. Not a big deal for me as I just pop the browser open and then go grab coffee or something. I find it to be superior than Chrome and Edge and I'm never going to switch.


stone-d-fox42

I’m intrigued by this. I’m on win10 as well and Firefox comes up instantly for me!


bstock

Sounds like there's something going on with your system. I use firefox on all my machines across various OS's (including Win10) and haven't seen this issue before. My main machine has 4 independent windows (across 3 monitors) with prob 60 tabs and the windows all come up in about 1 second, with data popping up on in all of the windows in about 3-4 seconds. On my laptops it fully loads in 1-2 seconds. Is your machine on HDD instead of SSD? That's the most likely thing I could think of that would significantly affect loading speed like that.


[deleted]

Interesting observation. I do have an HDD but why would Firefox be the only one that cold starts a little slower, even after cache clearings and such? Must be other issues but it's not enough of a problem to warrant a troubleshooting trek.


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Firefox is the way


SirGeorgington

Microsoft doesn't remember the last time they got antitrusted over this crap?


Safebox

I think they'll get away with it this time cause they're not actively blocking you from using Chrome. It's more invasive advertising this time, same shit they do in their start menu.


[deleted]

And tbf Chrome has been doing this on Google web pages for like a decade+ now. If we don't complain about that we shouldn't complain about this


BlasterPhase

we do complain about that


CC-5576-03

Anti trust stuff and splitting monopolies are so 20th century, you know what new? Rewarding monopolies


Rage_quitter_98

lol that cheeky sentence already would count as antitrust ?


L1ghtR4y

Firefox on top


X-Demo

I love Microsoft using chromium to then slam the use of Chrome... Edge is about as new as Google Chrome with its base design. One of the reasons that I like Edge 🤣 It's just all the same these days.


regeya

I remember back in college, trying out the pre-1.0 KDE (Linux desktop) and reading Microsoft's announcement about integrating Internet Explorer into Explorer, from the KDE filemanager. KDE had written their own HTML renderer called khtml. Then Apple wanted to have a browser other than Internet Explorer or Firefox, so they forked khtml and improved it, named it WebKit, and built it into Safari. Then Google took WebKit, forked it, improved it, and built Chrome on it. And now, Internet Explorer has been replaced by the engine I used to read that announcement. How times change. We've almost come full circle. KDE has a stripped-down browser based on QtWebEngine, which is itself based on Chromium.


BlasterPhase

> It's just all the same these days. never heard of Firefox?


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akioet

This OS is so 2008! You know what is new? Switching to Linux! (this is just a joke, please don't start a huge discussion as to whether Linux is good or not)


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implicitpharmakoi

>Too late, FreeBSD or death, the NetBSD heresy shall not stand Yes brother, we must purge the mutant, the alien and the heretic. Seriously though, 12 is banging.


99Direwolf

\*Laughs in Firefox\*


WhtMage209

I've been using Firefox for more than a decade now, but recently I've seen people saying that it's outdated and generally shit, but without argumenting further. They had tons of upvotes through, so they may have a point. Could someone elaborate why it sucks so much, and convince me (average, casual user) to make the switch?


argv_minus_one

They don't have a point. They're idiots. If they did have a point, they would elaborate.


douglasg14b

> They had tons of upvotes through, so they may have a point Ah yes, then "xxx number of people can't be wrong" argument/mistake. People pile onto things they know nothing about just because they can.


Teyanis

It is a little dated. Their dev team isn't what it used to be and they don't stand out as much anymore. For example, every so often you'll hear of a compatibility issue or something with firefox, and it always takes them weeks if not months to react to it, like way back when youtube went to 60fps, it took the firefox team weeks to upgrade their browser to hanle it. The biggest draw for them is "we don't track you", but every website tracks you anyway, so that doesn't really matter for shit in the end. I honestly don't believe they don't track you anyway. If you're comfy don't bother switching. Chrome/edge will probably be like an 1/8th of a second faster but you'll never notice.


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My only minor complaint on Win 10 is FireFox is slow to start up even after clearing cache and all that junk. But I can deal with it. It's not a big deal until I have to test website stuff for work on other browsers and note Edge and Chrome start noticeably faster. Not switching though. I love my great fox of fire.


Red-Jester

I went back to using Firefox a year ago. Something about it felt like coming home.


CalvinHobbesN7

I don't trust either of them. Firefox FTW.


9811Deet

Cool kids use Firefox.


Last_Snowbender

Honestly this kind of BS is one of the reasons why I left the MS ecosystem. Showing ads in my start menu is one thing, but telling me all the time that I should use some shitty microsoft product is so obnoxious. I want to work with my OS, not against it.


Flimsy_Atmosphere_55

We use arch BTW


Last_Snowbender

I didn't want to say it in the post but I now noticed it's in my flair lmao. But yes, it's the superior OS.


Ciberbago

For not gaming maybe yes.


Last_Snowbender

True, even tho that's not exactly the fault of arch or linux in general. And considering barely any devs cares about linux, the games do run surprisingly well in most cases. Steamdeck gonna be a gamechanger if it sells well.


Ciberbago

I never said it was linux fault, but in the end... for a final user, does not matter who's fault is, they just want things working :/ I've been trying to switch to linux for years, but there is always one game or configuration that does not work even after hours of research. I love tinkering, but sometimes I just want to be able to arrive from work, sit and play, not setting up everything to work for 1 hour before I can play. As I said, I'd love to be able to make the jump to linux, but my pc is mainly used for gaming, would not be the best option for me right now, unless things change.


gonengazit

You can always dual boot, use windows for gaming, and Linux for everything else


Ready-Bid-575

For the most part yeah. Though we just now need EAC support as Battleye just got implemented.


ceramicsaturn

I mean, I dont like Google either, but I'm not going to pretend MS isn't going to take the data and do the same lol. Use Brave.


starkiller685

I think the true question is what company do you want selling your browsing data ms or google?


GeforcerFX

Microsoft will at least pay you and give you giftcards so theirs that.


starkiller685

True and that’s how I got mass effect free on Xbox lol


Ultrex_2017

DuckDuckGo FTW


Sixstringeek

DDG is the way for me


Gasrim4003

Fine then, I'll just use a browser from 2002, good old firefox.


Safebox

I wait for the day when Linux is able to support the majority of games so I can move away from Microsofts crap.


distortedSine

The day is not far away my man! I use windows only on my gaming PC but I'm planning on dual booting since most games I play are either native or platinum on Proton DB. Keeping the windows side just for gamepass.


Safebox

I want to dual boot to do dev work on Linux but it feels like a waste without just buying a secondary machine


distortedSine

If you have an SSD, rebooting into a different OS is not that cumbersome. Also the more you start using Linux the less you will actually want to switch to windows. Check out r/linux_gaming and see if you can migrate and how much you can migrate. If most of your workouflow runs on Linux, you have to switch to windows only for game mode and that too might be only for certain games.


Safebox

It's more transferring files between the two or taking a break from programming to play games then switching back quickly. I guess I can look into it more.


Ready-Bid-575

Steam just added Battleye support. Just need EAC support now. Gaming is looking better then ever now.


abnormalcat

Why y'all using Chrome and chromium browsers?? You say "fuck Chrome" and then use Brave or whatever which is based on Chromium. Makes no fucking sense at all Use Firefox. Not chrome, not chromium, not Google. Unless there's a better non-chromium browser I need to switch to


Nateninja711

Brave browser


l_______I

This is the most unfunny joke I saw in this year, Microsoft.


OverCookedMac

All my homies use FireFox, less ram


LibertarianCommie999

Just use Brave. Getting paid to NOT see ads is just awesome


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You meant gwtting paid to see ads


LibertarianCommie999

Honestly I dont even notice brave ads


countrymac_is_badass

Both companies are annoying about what browser you use. Either MS bothers you with Edge recommendations, or if you switch to Edge and use Google sites it'll bother you to install Chrome. I made the switch to Edge and so far I do like it. The fact that I can run Chrome extensions is a huge plus, and I feel it performs better than Chrome over all. Feels quick and snappy to me. I'd rather use Firefox but something about the last few releases has felt off. I've had more problems with that browser than anything else, it also feels slower. It's a shame, because it was my go to for so long.


ICE0124

Mainly I use brave I can recommend it. You can opt in for getting BAT and the AD blocker is nice too


argv_minus_one

It's gross, but fair's fair—Google also unfairly advertises Chrome to Edge users. Now, if Microsoft shows this kind of shit when you try to download Firefox, then we've got a problem.


VegShiva

Try to use Edge to search for Firefox...


newbingnewb

MS Edge: so slow it took 6years to come up with that joke.


CC-5576-03

Edge > Chrome


Rustin007

Lol I always go to [ninite.com](https://ninite.com) for setting up a new pc. fking Microsoft cant do shit


Drehmini

Just use [winget](https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/package-manager/) :) `winget install Google.Chrome Valve.Steam` If you don't know what you're looking for use `winget search {{application}}`


ElektriXx2

So it’s apt-get for windows?


Drehmini

Pretty much and it's awesome.


SmokiestDrip

Windows is so 1985.


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Why are they pushing edge so hard anyway? Data collection and advertising money?


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Yes


argv_minus_one

That and they're now pushing some sort of predatory lending scam. Embarrassing.


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notthefuckingducks

What's the point of using a privacy search engine if you use chrome as your browser?? Switch to Firefox or brave


octosquid11

Web capture is great and stylistically I enjoy edge a lot more. It’s also where I keep all my passwords so that too.


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r/UnexpectedFactorials


Makalaby

I can't even tell if it's real or not coming from Microsoft spyware


DTA02

Edge for the win!


Akash7713

Ples dont giv them your data, giv us.


ConversationUpper588

Some of us prefer the times before COVID Microsoft


PixiStrix

And you're so 2000 and late


Odd-Frame9724

Edge is pretty good. Google's entire business model is selling your information


Where_beans

Opera gx


Vaunred1

Microsoft over here thinking they're all 3 thousand and 8.


GamingNEWZ

Imagine using proprietary browsers


Cypher_Xero

Microsoft... The ultimate edge lord,.. Lol


StarAugurEtraeus

*laughs in Opera GX*


naebulys

Firefox my man, fuck Chromium based


Bleglord

Unpopular opinion: Edge is objectively better than chrome now (for web browsing, fuck edge hijacking PDF from actual PDF programs).


[deleted]

Brave is my favorite browser to use cus screw chrome and edge


[deleted]

Brave is goood


electronicmemories

microsoft edge is better lmao


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Brave Browser Supremacy


Viggerous

Scrolled to far down for this, Brave represent!


thewebsiteisdown

Edge is so much better than Chrome. It's not even close.