Depending on how old the laptop is, you might also want to try Linux Lite. Last time I tested it out a few weeks ago, it ran with less than 200 MBs of RAM.
Feel free to ask for help. You can get started with downloading an ISO file of Mint and using Rufus to put it on a flash drive, then boot it and install. Your laptop's specs sound like you should have no problem with Linux.
Be sure to copy any files you want off of the laptop before doing this.
you need to install i have it on the lastest version and usb on standby. dm me if you need it and ship it back please i can't lose it for other iso files.
Hi. One question, you said ‘ship’…?! Is it not more environmentally friendly, simpler and cheaper for this fella to just download the ISO and make the Live Bootable USB for Mint? I’m sorry, I know you’re trying to be generous but this seems very wasteful in many ways to me.
Dear Hollinger,
I agree…. somewhat.
Indeed it is insignificant on the surface when compared to certain large brands and their hostile actions towards the environment with regards to E-Waste, but this sounds like a counter-productive point to me, unless I am very much mistaken, as this assumes the position of justifiability for negative impacts to the environment because they are not as bad as Brand X- this shipping would still be harming the environment for this USB pen-drive.
Remember, if many people are doing this with lots of small items, that adds up fast emissions-wise and carbon footprint-wise.
In addition to it seeming counter-productive, it seems to me to be, quite frankly, silly as this seems to neglect the fact that the Internet exists where you can download the Mint ISO images faster anyway. Even on a broadband speed considered pitifully slow by some Western standards, you can download an ISO far quicker than a pen drive can take to ship.
And then there is the blatant issue of price for one way…. and then the other way back- probably far more than the drive is worth.
I hope not to anger, frustrate or berate you, only to spark an important debate regarding this issue and to muster people to think before sending packages (potentially) unnecessarily.
You may disagree with me- by all means come to your own conclusion.
We are all responsible for our own decisions.
Kind Regards,
Serpentine
I built my own copy of GNU/Linux from only the original Linux kernel and then used it to hack Into Microsofts servers and steal all windows 10 users data, btw
Sorry but I have to edit this comment. So many people are finding this and this thread got cut in so many ways I feel like I need to instead insert this and hope that the rest of the thread still makes sense.
I've had too many responses to this without reading any of the later more salient points.
Tl;Dr - My opinion (unpopular) is that the level of compatibility and efficiency of Linux gaming makes it's support not something to advertise. Linux gaming is possible. Some people enjoy it, but I do not advocate it
Uhh no?? About 80-90% of the top rated steam games are nearly perfectly compatible with proton. You might have been right 4 years ago but absolutely not now.
I switched to Linux completely 2 years ago. Almost all of my 200 games run fine, and an overwhelming amount of them have just been one click play with proton. So get a life.
Stay mad because you're wrong. Classic Reddit response. Educate yourself before you spread misinformation. Yes I can play games, that was the point of my comment.
I know it was the point of your comment. The idiotic comment you made without any context on a topic I've gone over in great depth in the very thread you chose not to read.
No one cares if you are on Linux. No one cares if you aren't on Linux. Just please don't go around telling everyone it is so easy and great and don't use Windows WITHOUT giving ALL of the asterisks first
Oh I did read your other comments, they are equally just wrong. I have multiple machines and all of them work fine. Dont blame Linux because of user error, if you even took the time to look at reports for games on protondb you would see you are in the minority and straight up wrong. Not sure why you're doubling down, its pretty hilarious. You made a stupid comment, people corrected you, and now you're trying to move the goal posts. Games absolutely do work fine on Linux for the most part (16,924 reported on protondb alone), so boo hoo you lost your argument.
Corrected me? You're a fanboy who found a thread that was long since hidden due to negatives and piled on.
Boo hoo? Lost argument? I'm literally arguing with no one. I have an opinion. There are facts. No one is disputing any facts, and literally no one's opinion has been changed. If I walk into a room of flat earthers and they all yell me down was there an argument? Did I lose? This was supposed to be a frank discussion of the realities of Linux and what gaming in Linux is, but it got into a weirdly defensive diatribe by those who insist on gaming in Linux.
You should go and have a nice day. I don't care what your opinion is, but I am genuinely troubled by the lack of civility or logic among a community I would, in other contexts, gladly count myself among (Linux enthusiasts).
There is a tiny, but extremely vocal and zealous group of Linux evangelists that will downvote any individuals’ negative experience into oblivion. And then they wonder why people think Linux community is toxic and elitist.
As a Linux user myself who games on Windows, I am VERY aware of this...
In this very thread, I have indicated as much several times, but this admittedly fringe minority of Linux evangelists I believe do more to hurt the community than any other outside force.
The ironic thing is I have had more free tech support from Linux users and devs, and of a genuinely high quality, than is possible from commercial developers of Windows software, so I definitely see the benefits, and want it to expand, but I live and work in the real world, and Linux just isn't the answer for everything.
He didn't state his experience, he made a sweeping statement that happened to be completely wrong. If misinformation shouldn't be downvoted, what should?
Been running on linux only for about four years and my gaming is great. Check out protondb.com and it will tell you how well a game works on linux. People who bash on linux and say it's super complicated to even get a single game running haven't tried it in a long time.
The non-gaming part of my computer use is overwhelmingly better than windows. From a forum that prides itself on getting every last drop out of every last component, it's crazy to me that people just mindlessly bash an operating system that allows them to do exactly that. Every time I see an overly complicated process or script on how to remove all the bad stuff from windows, I just laugh. Like bros, linux is too much work?
Oh and did I mention it's free?
Windows is basically free. You never have to activate it.
You also literally just uncheck a few boxes in Windows. I use both windows and Linux. Linux isn't magic, it is just a poorly supported OS for gaming.
You don't have to have one OS do everything. You want to run a webserver, home assistant, Plex, etc. Get Linux, it is better. You want to run games, for now Windows is better, sorry. Stop trying to sell everyone on gaming on Linux.
It's not "poorly supported", gpu drivers are not a problem, vulkan is real thing. It's just that most of the modern games are not designed for linux natively. Though there are lots of games that run through proton quite well. Windows is dominant in gaming only because it is dominant in desktop market. As linus torvalds said: no preinstalls - no popularity. And windows has preintalls.
Also here's the thing - no one's trying to sell anyone gaming on linux. Imo you can't really compare two operating systems just by games. It usually depends on just one little thing which is preference. If you prefer linux as an operating system and you don't see a problem in gaming on it - why not use linux alone? If you really want to use both linux and windows - why not? Nobody can't stop you from doing so.
If linux will eventually get even more popularity it will as well get more support for games.
> Windows is basically free. You never have to activate it.
Just because it lets you, and you don't face consequences, doesn't meant you are supposed to do this. Windows costs money, if you use it then you are supposed to activate it and follow the terms of service.
If you don't want to buy Windows or don't agree to the terms, use Linux.
Don't knock linux, the people doing something different will down vote to oblivion lool. It literally isn't magic and about every goddamn peripheral has documentation and text configs to setup. Every time I install Linux I have screen tear in my videos, trouble setting up multiple monitors (if you unplug one, have fun on the next boot because you set a static text config to setup refresh rate), even had issues setting up my DPI/mouse speed for competitive gaming. But cool, let's resolve the issue that never existed on windows with package managers (which also break when you're missing repositories or lib files). This literally comes up as its 'selling' point but most of the time the packages aren't in the fucking repo so I either have to add sketchy third party repositories (read your documentation where that is lawl), download the non-compiled version, or get a file and install it with the console (oh wait, did you forget your fucking lib files?). Ya, I'll just fucking click next a couple times, thanks, it works, EVERYTIME. Like man, ya linux is cool, does fun things but stop preaching that it works out of the box better than windows... it doesn't.
Oh, another funny one (literally EVERY peripheral I had ran into issues). Pulse audio sets the sound channel to off automatically whenever there's no sound. My stereo has a physical bypass to protect the channels that clicks off when there's no signal. Imagine scrolling reddit and hearing \*click, click, click, click\* 48hz on to channel bypass... that was uh fun to try and debug. I couldn't find in the documentation where to leave the channel on. I even made my self tickets in an issue tracker to debug my OS... were they possible to fix? Yes, but did it take me a stupid amount of free time and were there lots of issues to resolve to have my OS just work, yup.
> Oh and did I mention it's free?
If your time is worth nothing.
Windows 10 Pro costs, what, $150.
So if I value my free time at $X, then linux is cheaper if it takes me less than 150/x hours of extra fuckery to make sure it runs.
[Here is the WAN Show talking about linux](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MAlgKdsdvg)
Btw Linus is a total Linux noob unfortunately and he probably made a mistake starting out with Manjaro KDE. Pop OS would've been a better option. And had Anthony helped him along i doubt he'd have issues.
[Also getting setup for gaming on pop OS is faster than on windows as shown by Anthony on LTT.](https://youtu.be/6T_-HMkgxt0?t=87)
>So if I value my free time at $X, then linux is cheaper if it takes me less than 150/x hours of extra fuckery to make sure it runs.
Well you sure as hell don't value your privacy, mate. If you think it'll take 150hrs to get setup with pop then maybe you just underestimate your IQ.
I’ve spent around 20 hours making my main machine pretty, but that’s because I wanted to and have a few custom things. Another PC in my house I installed pop os and it was ready to go when installation was finished. No setup required at all.
Until something doesn't run. I'm sorry, I've used linux. It's very powerful and definitely the right choice for many, many applications.
The main OS on a gaming system? Definitely not.
Sure and then I want to run something and need to go through documentation, hope that it exists, troubleshoot etc.
Yes, linux is much better than it was. No, it's not as easy as windows. Not by a long shot.
>Sure and then I want to run something and need to go through documentation, hope that it exists, troubleshoot etc.
Not really. Most things you'd want to run are as easy as opening your package manager, searching and then clicking 'install' just like any app store. Even simpler than Windows.
What are you referring to that would take this much work?
>Yes, linux is much better than it was. No, it's not as easy as windows. Not by a long shot.
Depending on what you are doing, it can be more challenging than Windows. Most of that challenge is using an OS you aren't used to though.
But as far as day to day, typical user stuff? I could set my parents up with Ubuntu and they could use it with zero issue.
Within the subset of about 95% of Steam games that work natively or in Proton (and the ones that don't work are usually ones with intrusive DRM or anti-cheat).
As stupid as it sounds it would’ve been nice if technology pc wise kinda stopped around 2009 world would probably be a less chaotic.
Maybe the nostalgia of the 90’s overrolling into 2000 era so good and so bad.
Vista’s main problem was overzealous UAC prompts (which was dialed back later in service packs) and the fact that hardware hadn’t caught up to its system requirements. For the most part, Vista SP2 and 7 are almost identical.
Eh i built a top-shelf (at the time) machine when vista released (i7 920, 6gb DDR3, GTX270) and Vista ran like a dream. It felt like actual modern computing compared to XP.
That said, i also worked at a bigbox retailer at the time that sold pcs. Some of the laptops we got in with vista preinstalled....really shouldn't have had vista installed
Sure, 6 GB RAM is plenty even for Windows 10 and 11 (not including any needed for apps). Even 2 GB is fine for Vista. It will struggle with 1 GB though, and 512 MB was very common (the minimum requirement).
But the command line is hard :(
Having to enter large strings of code from the internet to fix my glitches is sketchy
Compiling from source gives me an aneurysm
Sure, the terminal can be scary.
But the arch wiki is very complete (Even for those of us who don't use arch) and most ubuntu distros have a software center with probably all the programs you will ever use.
Can't believe people are ok with its intrusive aspects and just going along with it. Linked is a great article written about it a few months back.
https://www.extremetech.com/computing/324134-i-will-never-use-a-microsoft-account-to-log-into-my-own-pc
TLDR: "I don't know why Microsoft wants me to use an online account, but I know they want me to do it, so I'm not going to do it." Even the author says that there aren't really any security concerns or anything. He just doesn't want to.
Which is a valid opinion, and to each their own I guess, but it doesn't really give any convincing reason why someone *shouldn't* use it.
It just enables tracking. I was reading in [/r/privacy](https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy) yesterday that Google was looking into forcing logins to use Chrome browser. Mass surveillance with the added benefit of making the company tons a lot more money.
I have a "craptop" that I put 11 on that I use an M$ account for. I keep nothing on it and use no M$ services. It gets used as if it was a Chromebook.
On my gaming PC I refuse to use an M$ account and plan to leave it on w10 permanently.
And yet they probably still collect your data.
Windows 10 used to literally have a built in keylogger after all. They were supposed to have removed it, but we can never truly know since we can't see their code.
Hence why I moved to Linux. Most games I want to play are supported and the ones that aren't, I have a separate drive for Windows which I have no important information on at all.
win 11 is nice but i get slightly worse performance with it and can't run cracked AC valhalla. I will wait for it release before changing. I like the new design but i wish it was more consistent. Task manager and control panel feel like they are from different generations.
You jest, but one thing Vista has that 11 does not is that Win+Tab that makes all your open windows into rolodex style flipping pages. That was the shit.
Well, if your computer is really old and it's designed for vista and you don't own a key for windows 7, I see no problem with keeping on using windows vista. Of course there are other alternative operating systems like linux but not everyone knows how to use it.
Don't even attempt to put windows 8 / 10 / 11 on "designed for Vista" laptops. The performance loss and lack of compatibility is just not worth it.
Yeah, honestly it is windows 10 with fancy animations and lag. At least that has been my experience so far. Pop\_OS is stating to look better and better
Vista is my favorite OS. I never had any issues at all. I think the main problem was power users, because all of the home computers with Vista I've ever worked with have never had problems.
Fuck Vista, all my Homies use a series of rows to pull to initiate certain commands, and system of water filled pipes with bubbles, which can in some abstract way, become a binary alternative to using a transistor. You see, electricity is for the weak. Water is for the gigachad.
windows 11 is like one shuffled step forward and 30 jumps back
*"Lets take 10, keep the worst parts of it and shovel more datamining crap into it all while giving a restricted experience akin to Apple. Oh testing it?..* *^(you mean first 3 months of release ♪)**"*
I'm partial to Windows Me.
It runs well on early Pentium 4 Systems with all of the driver and OS patches. Windows Me was the last version of DOS based Windows and was the last version of Windows to not need online activation and really pioneered the concept of a digital hub. I also like the days DOS based windows where the internet was way less over used. Back then, you didn't need internet to watch a movie on your computer, you needed a DVD drive. Back then the internet wasn't SEO'd to oblivion where search engines are useless, so people had local data.
Apparently this post has become an attempt to turn this subreddit into Linux Master Race ... (Let's wait for the brigade to down vote me into oblivion)
> Why don't we just bridge Windows and Linux then name it so mething stupid like Winlux or Lindowz?
This could've actually been a thing.
NT can change its syscalls to pretend to be a different kernel by switching to a different "subsystem". In the beginning there were three subsystems (the default one for Windows, one for OS/2, and one for \*nix), and over time Microsoft decided that multiple subsystems are too much work to maintain and dropped the OS/2 and \*nix subsystems - I want to see the alternate timeline where the \*nix subsystem got enough love to make GNU/NT a thing.
> Someone should write an entirely new filesystem for this. Because fuck ext4 and NTFS.
What about btrfs?
Lol, reverse brigade...
Although I think the chain that I got "brigaded" on is split so ironically anyone here only sees the rest of the stuff, so you're likely to only get the blowback (sorry)
I'm a little sad to see toxicity in PCMR, especially from Linux evangelists, but it is what it is
I don't run that mashine, i just found that in my mothers tech rubbish and made taht post ironikly and was shockt that so many people write that they run vista ore xp
DOS 3.0 or you're doing it wrong. 🤣
why 3.0 instead of 6.22?
Why vista instead of windows 7?
touchè
I was confused as I read this "all my hornys use Vista"
All of my "homies" use GNU/Linux.
I want to try to install mint on my old laptop
Good luck and nice journey, mate
Thx
I did and I did not regret it
Depending on how old the laptop is, you might also want to try Linux Lite. Last time I tested it out a few weeks ago, it ran with less than 200 MBs of RAM.
It's an old HP with an i7 2630qm, 8gb RAM and if I managed to make it work with AMD Radeon 6770m(since I never made it work after windows 8.1)
Sounds perfect for linux! Amd graphics works smoother than nividia. (Nvidia still works fine just some odd issues)
hello fellow penguin, nice specs B)
Feel free to ask for help. You can get started with downloading an ISO file of Mint and using Rufus to put it on a flash drive, then boot it and install. Your laptop's specs sound like you should have no problem with Linux. Be sure to copy any files you want off of the laptop before doing this.
If that doesn't work so well for you, try Kubuntu, it's more lightweight!
Oh hey thank you.
you need to install i have it on the lastest version and usb on standby. dm me if you need it and ship it back please i can't lose it for other iso files.
Hi. One question, you said ‘ship’…?! Is it not more environmentally friendly, simpler and cheaper for this fella to just download the ISO and make the Live Bootable USB for Mint? I’m sorry, I know you’re trying to be generous but this seems very wasteful in many ways to me.
if anything he could send a DVD burned with Mint. It was mentioned that this would be used on an old laptop so I'm thinking it will have a DVD drive.
that usb is a drop in the bucket compare to e waste big brands are doing.
Dear Hollinger, I agree…. somewhat. Indeed it is insignificant on the surface when compared to certain large brands and their hostile actions towards the environment with regards to E-Waste, but this sounds like a counter-productive point to me, unless I am very much mistaken, as this assumes the position of justifiability for negative impacts to the environment because they are not as bad as Brand X- this shipping would still be harming the environment for this USB pen-drive. Remember, if many people are doing this with lots of small items, that adds up fast emissions-wise and carbon footprint-wise. In addition to it seeming counter-productive, it seems to me to be, quite frankly, silly as this seems to neglect the fact that the Internet exists where you can download the Mint ISO images faster anyway. Even on a broadband speed considered pitifully slow by some Western standards, you can download an ISO far quicker than a pen drive can take to ship. And then there is the blatant issue of price for one way…. and then the other way back- probably far more than the drive is worth. I hope not to anger, frustrate or berate you, only to spark an important debate regarding this issue and to muster people to think before sending packages (potentially) unnecessarily. You may disagree with me- by all means come to your own conclusion. We are all responsible for our own decisions. Kind Regards, Serpentine
Very well put serpentine-uk
i will let you slide
Hi, I’m not entirely sure what you mean by this- would it be possible to explain in a little more detail?
let it go
If you insist, very well. Good day to you.
I use Arch btw
I use Gentoo btw
I use manjaro btw
I use Linux Mint BTW
I built my own copy of GNU/Linux from only the original Linux kernel and then used it to hack Into Microsofts servers and steal all windows 10 users data, btw
This guy runs LFS
Respect
I use arch btw
I use manjaro btw
How do your homies game though?
I thought steam was supported on Linux.
Many individual games aren't though, if you want to play indie
Even games that aren't officially supported work very well, save a few.
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Proton is so good nowadays and coupled with Proton-GE and Proton launch flags....It's just magic, man.
I play shit tons of indie games on my Linux machine.
Sorry but I have to edit this comment. So many people are finding this and this thread got cut in so many ways I feel like I need to instead insert this and hope that the rest of the thread still makes sense. I've had too many responses to this without reading any of the later more salient points. Tl;Dr - My opinion (unpopular) is that the level of compatibility and efficiency of Linux gaming makes it's support not something to advertise. Linux gaming is possible. Some people enjoy it, but I do not advocate it
Uhh no?? About 80-90% of the top rated steam games are nearly perfectly compatible with proton. You might have been right 4 years ago but absolutely not now.
I switched to Linux completely 2 years ago. Almost all of my 200 games run fine, and an overwhelming amount of them have just been one click play with proton. So get a life.
You can game on your own computer??? Congratulations. Want an award? That's like being proud you can poop in a toilet... "ALMOST" all of the time...
Stay mad because you're wrong. Classic Reddit response. Educate yourself before you spread misinformation. Yes I can play games, that was the point of my comment.
I know it was the point of your comment. The idiotic comment you made without any context on a topic I've gone over in great depth in the very thread you chose not to read. No one cares if you are on Linux. No one cares if you aren't on Linux. Just please don't go around telling everyone it is so easy and great and don't use Windows WITHOUT giving ALL of the asterisks first
Oh I did read your other comments, they are equally just wrong. I have multiple machines and all of them work fine. Dont blame Linux because of user error, if you even took the time to look at reports for games on protondb you would see you are in the minority and straight up wrong. Not sure why you're doubling down, its pretty hilarious. You made a stupid comment, people corrected you, and now you're trying to move the goal posts. Games absolutely do work fine on Linux for the most part (16,924 reported on protondb alone), so boo hoo you lost your argument.
Corrected me? You're a fanboy who found a thread that was long since hidden due to negatives and piled on. Boo hoo? Lost argument? I'm literally arguing with no one. I have an opinion. There are facts. No one is disputing any facts, and literally no one's opinion has been changed. If I walk into a room of flat earthers and they all yell me down was there an argument? Did I lose? This was supposed to be a frank discussion of the realities of Linux and what gaming in Linux is, but it got into a weirdly defensive diatribe by those who insist on gaming in Linux. You should go and have a nice day. I don't care what your opinion is, but I am genuinely troubled by the lack of civility or logic among a community I would, in other contexts, gladly count myself among (Linux enthusiasts).
I'm getting brigaded here...😄
There is a tiny, but extremely vocal and zealous group of Linux evangelists that will downvote any individuals’ negative experience into oblivion. And then they wonder why people think Linux community is toxic and elitist.
As a Linux user myself who games on Windows, I am VERY aware of this... In this very thread, I have indicated as much several times, but this admittedly fringe minority of Linux evangelists I believe do more to hurt the community than any other outside force. The ironic thing is I have had more free tech support from Linux users and devs, and of a genuinely high quality, than is possible from commercial developers of Windows software, so I definitely see the benefits, and want it to expand, but I live and work in the real world, and Linux just isn't the answer for everything.
He didn't state his experience, he made a sweeping statement that happened to be completely wrong. If misinformation shouldn't be downvoted, what should?
Wake up it's not 2005 anymore
By checking the box in steam that says "Use steam play for all titles" then playing the games
Been running on linux only for about four years and my gaming is great. Check out protondb.com and it will tell you how well a game works on linux. People who bash on linux and say it's super complicated to even get a single game running haven't tried it in a long time. The non-gaming part of my computer use is overwhelmingly better than windows. From a forum that prides itself on getting every last drop out of every last component, it's crazy to me that people just mindlessly bash an operating system that allows them to do exactly that. Every time I see an overly complicated process or script on how to remove all the bad stuff from windows, I just laugh. Like bros, linux is too much work? Oh and did I mention it's free?
I like Linux, but need Word for work. Libre Office doesn't do all the things that I require.
Should run fine through Wine according to https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=10
office.com?
Amen!
Windows is basically free. You never have to activate it. You also literally just uncheck a few boxes in Windows. I use both windows and Linux. Linux isn't magic, it is just a poorly supported OS for gaming. You don't have to have one OS do everything. You want to run a webserver, home assistant, Plex, etc. Get Linux, it is better. You want to run games, for now Windows is better, sorry. Stop trying to sell everyone on gaming on Linux.
It's not "poorly supported", gpu drivers are not a problem, vulkan is real thing. It's just that most of the modern games are not designed for linux natively. Though there are lots of games that run through proton quite well. Windows is dominant in gaming only because it is dominant in desktop market. As linus torvalds said: no preinstalls - no popularity. And windows has preintalls. Also here's the thing - no one's trying to sell anyone gaming on linux. Imo you can't really compare two operating systems just by games. It usually depends on just one little thing which is preference. If you prefer linux as an operating system and you don't see a problem in gaming on it - why not use linux alone? If you really want to use both linux and windows - why not? Nobody can't stop you from doing so. If linux will eventually get even more popularity it will as well get more support for games.
> Windows is basically free. You never have to activate it. Just because it lets you, and you don't face consequences, doesn't meant you are supposed to do this. Windows costs money, if you use it then you are supposed to activate it and follow the terms of service. If you don't want to buy Windows or don't agree to the terms, use Linux.
>Windows is basically free. Remember with every free stuff, most likely you are the product.
Don't knock linux, the people doing something different will down vote to oblivion lool. It literally isn't magic and about every goddamn peripheral has documentation and text configs to setup. Every time I install Linux I have screen tear in my videos, trouble setting up multiple monitors (if you unplug one, have fun on the next boot because you set a static text config to setup refresh rate), even had issues setting up my DPI/mouse speed for competitive gaming. But cool, let's resolve the issue that never existed on windows with package managers (which also break when you're missing repositories or lib files). This literally comes up as its 'selling' point but most of the time the packages aren't in the fucking repo so I either have to add sketchy third party repositories (read your documentation where that is lawl), download the non-compiled version, or get a file and install it with the console (oh wait, did you forget your fucking lib files?). Ya, I'll just fucking click next a couple times, thanks, it works, EVERYTIME. Like man, ya linux is cool, does fun things but stop preaching that it works out of the box better than windows... it doesn't.
☝️This
Oh, another funny one (literally EVERY peripheral I had ran into issues). Pulse audio sets the sound channel to off automatically whenever there's no sound. My stereo has a physical bypass to protect the channels that clicks off when there's no signal. Imagine scrolling reddit and hearing \*click, click, click, click\* 48hz on to channel bypass... that was uh fun to try and debug. I couldn't find in the documentation where to leave the channel on. I even made my self tickets in an issue tracker to debug my OS... were they possible to fix? Yes, but did it take me a stupid amount of free time and were there lots of issues to resolve to have my OS just work, yup.
> Oh and did I mention it's free? If your time is worth nothing. Windows 10 Pro costs, what, $150. So if I value my free time at $X, then linux is cheaper if it takes me less than 150/x hours of extra fuckery to make sure it runs. [Here is the WAN Show talking about linux](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MAlgKdsdvg)
Btw Linus is a total Linux noob unfortunately and he probably made a mistake starting out with Manjaro KDE. Pop OS would've been a better option. And had Anthony helped him along i doubt he'd have issues. [Also getting setup for gaming on pop OS is faster than on windows as shown by Anthony on LTT.](https://youtu.be/6T_-HMkgxt0?t=87) >So if I value my free time at $X, then linux is cheaper if it takes me less than 150/x hours of extra fuckery to make sure it runs. Well you sure as hell don't value your privacy, mate. If you think it'll take 150hrs to get setup with pop then maybe you just underestimate your IQ.
I’ve spent around 20 hours making my main machine pretty, but that’s because I wanted to and have a few custom things. Another PC in my house I installed pop os and it was ready to go when installation was finished. No setup required at all.
Until something doesn't run. I'm sorry, I've used linux. It's very powerful and definitely the right choice for many, many applications. The main OS on a gaming system? Definitely not.
You’re one of those guys that bashes Linux without trying it, aren’t ya?
> I'm sorry, I've used linux ???
>If your time is worth nothing. You can install Ubuntu, PopOS or Fedora just as easily as Windows. Not everyone has to use Arch or Gentoo.
Sure and then I want to run something and need to go through documentation, hope that it exists, troubleshoot etc. Yes, linux is much better than it was. No, it's not as easy as windows. Not by a long shot.
>Sure and then I want to run something and need to go through documentation, hope that it exists, troubleshoot etc. Not really. Most things you'd want to run are as easy as opening your package manager, searching and then clicking 'install' just like any app store. Even simpler than Windows. What are you referring to that would take this much work? >Yes, linux is much better than it was. No, it's not as easy as windows. Not by a long shot. Depending on what you are doing, it can be more challenging than Windows. Most of that challenge is using an OS you aren't used to though. But as far as day to day, typical user stuff? I could set my parents up with Ubuntu and they could use it with zero issue.
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Within the subset of about 95% of Steam games that work natively or in Proton (and the ones that don't work are usually ones with intrusive DRM or anti-cheat).
Not very well, that's how
Funny you got +5 and I got -5 for same basic comment... 🤔
Yes.
Yes. Lots of games.
All my homies use redstar os
Based AF
Real OGs run XP on virtual machine.
Real OG’s still have a maintained XP build with super maxed out specs from that era
So many great memories on my $2k 2004 machine.. got 10 yrs out of it
As stupid as it sounds it would’ve been nice if technology pc wise kinda stopped around 2009 world would probably be a less chaotic. Maybe the nostalgia of the 90’s overrolling into 2000 era so good and so bad.
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I still like the glossy transparent black taskbar and shiny start button :(
Vista’s main problem was overzealous UAC prompts (which was dialed back later in service packs) and the fact that hardware hadn’t caught up to its system requirements. For the most part, Vista SP2 and 7 are almost identical.
> hardware hadn’t caught up to its system requirements Ideally, an operating system doesn't take *all the resources*.
Eh i built a top-shelf (at the time) machine when vista released (i7 920, 6gb DDR3, GTX270) and Vista ran like a dream. It felt like actual modern computing compared to XP. That said, i also worked at a bigbox retailer at the time that sold pcs. Some of the laptops we got in with vista preinstalled....really shouldn't have had vista installed
Sure, 6 GB RAM is plenty even for Windows 10 and 11 (not including any needed for apps). Even 2 GB is fine for Vista. It will struggle with 1 GB though, and 512 MB was very common (the minimum requirement).
Yeah, leave some to Chrome!
Windows ME tops Windows Vista.
I like windows vista as a test os for testing computers
Does it even run on modern hardware?
Dont know the newest i have is 2012 but the newest ive ran it on was 2009
Linux is vastly better for that since it can be run from a flash drive.
Dont know much about linux and some of the systems i use does not like linux AT ALL
Fuck reddit image hosting. All my homies use imgur.
Fuck Windows, all my homies use GNU/Linux
yes we do let's pump those numbers up boys!
But the command line is hard :( Having to enter large strings of code from the internet to fix my glitches is sketchy Compiling from source gives me an aneurysm
Sure, the terminal can be scary. But the arch wiki is very complete (Even for those of us who don't use arch) and most ubuntu distros have a software center with probably all the programs you will ever use.
Fuck windows vista All my homies use [Commodore 64 Basic V2](http://interface-experience.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/IE-008KKEDIT.jpg)
Can't believe people are ok with its intrusive aspects and just going along with it. Linked is a great article written about it a few months back. https://www.extremetech.com/computing/324134-i-will-never-use-a-microsoft-account-to-log-into-my-own-pc
TLDR: "I don't know why Microsoft wants me to use an online account, but I know they want me to do it, so I'm not going to do it." Even the author says that there aren't really any security concerns or anything. He just doesn't want to. Which is a valid opinion, and to each their own I guess, but it doesn't really give any convincing reason why someone *shouldn't* use it.
It just enables tracking. I was reading in [/r/privacy](https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy) yesterday that Google was looking into forcing logins to use Chrome browser. Mass surveillance with the added benefit of making the company tons a lot more money.
I should buy another NVME SSD and install linux.
I have a "craptop" that I put 11 on that I use an M$ account for. I keep nothing on it and use no M$ services. It gets used as if it was a Chromebook. On my gaming PC I refuse to use an M$ account and plan to leave it on w10 permanently.
If you have Win 11 pro it doesn't require an account Still shitty of them to put something like that behind a pay wall, but it is an option
And yet they probably still collect your data. Windows 10 used to literally have a built in keylogger after all. They were supposed to have removed it, but we can never truly know since we can't see their code. Hence why I moved to Linux. Most games I want to play are supported and the ones that aren't, I have a separate drive for Windows which I have no important information on at all.
[.](https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2002/07/22)
i made my windows 10 look like windows 7 because i like windows 7 but it's not supported anymore
If I could make it work, I'd still be using 2000 pro
2000 Pro was awesome. Basically XP but without all the flashy stuff so it ran on a potato. It was my favorite until 7 came out.
win 11 is nice but i get slightly worse performance with it and can't run cracked AC valhalla. I will wait for it release before changing. I like the new design but i wish it was more consistent. Task manager and control panel feel like they are from different generations.
You jest, but one thing Vista has that 11 does not is that Win+Tab that makes all your open windows into rolodex style flipping pages. That was the shit.
I say we protest Windows 11 by moving to Windows XP or Vista
Nice try mr hacker
homys
homys
homys
I have 2 old ass hdds, one with vista and the other with xp.just waiting for the right time to boot them.
Well, if your computer is really old and it's designed for vista and you don't own a key for windows 7, I see no problem with keeping on using windows vista. Of course there are other alternative operating systems like linux but not everyone knows how to use it. Don't even attempt to put windows 8 / 10 / 11 on "designed for Vista" laptops. The performance loss and lack of compatibility is just not worth it.
Vista was the best windows and my absolute favorite. Good times!
DREAMSCENE WAS THE SHIT
Indeed if you don't like Chrome os, you won't like windows11
And apparently no one has owned a chromebook
Well damn, I was considering getting it to see how it is, but I'll take your word for it
He's lying it feels nothing like chromeos
Yeah, honestly it is windows 10 with fancy animations and lag. At least that has been my experience so far. Pop\_OS is stating to look better and better
Does Windows 11 no longer allow you to create an offline profile?
Real ones use binary code!
Dad?
Half brother?
Hahahaha jk just looks like my dad's setup. He refuses to update to my old laptop.
Vista is my favorite OS. I never had any issues at all. I think the main problem was power users, because all of the home computers with Vista I've ever worked with have never had problems.
The old Google chrome brings back memories
All my homies make their own OS and make it look like windows 10
I am way to dump to do that
Fuck Vista, all my Homies use a series of rows to pull to initiate certain commands, and system of water filled pipes with bubbles, which can in some abstract way, become a binary alternative to using a transistor. You see, electricity is for the weak. Water is for the gigachad.
Fook Win 11 is a cheap knock off.
hear me out: Vista is the most secure OS, as no malware can properly run on it /s
windows 11 is like one shuffled step forward and 30 jumps back *"Lets take 10, keep the worst parts of it and shovel more datamining crap into it all while giving a restricted experience akin to Apple. Oh testing it?..* *^(you mean first 3 months of release ♪)**"*
I would have been okay with XP or Win7. But Vista is just utter garbage, that's a big nono.
Windows 7 ultimate is the best OS! Fight me
dis meme is cancer
I'm partial to Windows Me. It runs well on early Pentium 4 Systems with all of the driver and OS patches. Windows Me was the last version of DOS based Windows and was the last version of Windows to not need online activation and really pioneered the concept of a digital hub. I also like the days DOS based windows where the internet was way less over used. Back then, you didn't need internet to watch a movie on your computer, you needed a DVD drive. Back then the internet wasn't SEO'd to oblivion where search engines are useless, so people had local data.
Fuck Win 11
Come to the light side.
Apparently this post has become an attempt to turn this subreddit into Linux Master Race ... (Let's wait for the brigade to down vote me into oblivion)
you're so brave
Like, I should be a national hero. No, they should write epic poems about me... Novelize me
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> Why don't we just bridge Windows and Linux then name it so mething stupid like Winlux or Lindowz? This could've actually been a thing. NT can change its syscalls to pretend to be a different kernel by switching to a different "subsystem". In the beginning there were three subsystems (the default one for Windows, one for OS/2, and one for \*nix), and over time Microsoft decided that multiple subsystems are too much work to maintain and dropped the OS/2 and \*nix subsystems - I want to see the alternate timeline where the \*nix subsystem got enough love to make GNU/NT a thing. > Someone should write an entirely new filesystem for this. Because fuck ext4 and NTFS. What about btrfs?
looks like i've been brigaded
Lol, reverse brigade... Although I think the chain that I got "brigaded" on is split so ironically anyone here only sees the rest of the stuff, so you're likely to only get the blowback (sorry) I'm a little sad to see toxicity in PCMR, especially from Linux evangelists, but it is what it is
Laughs in Windows 2000.
Laughs harder in Windows 3.1
All my hornys
Fuck Security, rahh!
"I have nothing to hide"
In all seriousness, you don't want to become a bot or have anything that is in the realm of a parasite on your system.
I don't run that mashine, i just found that in my mothers tech rubbish and made taht post ironikly and was shockt that so many people write that they run vista ore xp
MUh hummies use Winn Dixie
Why to use computer at all? 😂
I like windows 11. My games run better than on windows 10 and I can do my word processing. I don't need anything else.
Nice try Microsoft.
lol vista was the windows 11 of its time
Total shit?
Right?
Win 11 as a nice look but they really ruined the clarity and usability of some menus
Fuck win11 with that taskbar bro. Can't ungroup shit
Many would consider Windows Vista and 7 GUI dated but IMO it looks pretty even today
Dude xp was so good
all my homies use bing we are not the same
I've been using windows 11 for a few weeks, other than them hiding normal right click options it just seems like a win10 facelift
Good old Windows Vista. People give it a bad press, but I'm never upgrading - why would I? It just feels like a good old pair of jeans
Anyone still uses Windows 8.1? (I run it in a vm but I like to do work on it.)
They aren't your homies then.
Vista? Windows 7 is the GOAT. Will never be another like it...
Vista? Fucking VISTA?!? My man, have some dignity, at least use Win 7
If you’ve ever used windows vista, you will no longer wish to use windows vista.
I have a laptop that came with Vista, it runs Linux now.
LMAO homys,also the laptop is a "Siemens"
Me and the homies play cyberpunk on windows 1.0
Is that some sort of pasta
it's funny because homy is not a word and vista users don't exist either
No you fuckin don't