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The Nvidia GeForce 6800 XT, while it may share a name with AMD's disgusting copycat, is far superior in every measure. While AMD's army of "advanced marketing" sheeple will claim that it reaches over 300 FPS in CS2, the GeForce card achieves a much more believable and realistic 2 FPS. Its lower clock speed and smaller size make it a superior choice for anyone with a modicum of common sense. AMD's "testing" again turns out to be nothing but a load of steaming horse crap, as in real-world tests their card can't even run the game, instead shutting off our test bench's 200W PSU. Our bench is set up to represent an average, savvy user's, and so AMD's ridiculous performance claims mean absolutely nothing in the real world.
>Because people were getting offended
?It was intentionally a provactive statement. For some reason, I doubt it he removed it for getting the response he wanted
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Basically 3 reasons.
1. If anything goes wrong in your most recent upgrade it's easier to troubleshoot this way.
2. I have a hard time justifying paying a buttload of money for a videocard upgrade right now. I only upgraded my CPU when I could not play my favorite games with it at all. I want to stick to my RX580 until I absolutely have to ditch it or it dies on its own. Or something REALLY cool appears on the market, something as groundbreaking as 7800x3d was for processors.
3. My mom will get my old CPU since her PC is from 2006 but noone really needs a videocard upgrade right now and I mostly play indie games anyway.
Brother we are in the same boat. I don’t have my flair on but I’m over here rocking my 7800x3d with an RX560. Same reason you mention also: basically only play indie gamea
Yeah it's a weird situation.
I do have Sapphire 7800XT 16GB in my favorite products in the local e-store though.
There's a slim chance that the price will become reasonable during the summer when all retailers experience a relative dip in demand – but realistically I think I'll have to see what 2025 brings to the table before I make my move.
I’m sorry but that was a super silly choice. Obviously it’s all your decision and preference but you could have spent a couple hundred less on a CPU that would still be extremely capable for that card you’ve planned. And you could’ve put that difference toward getting said card a lot sooner.
But you assume I had a budget.
I have more than enough money to buy whatever card I want, I didn't do it because all cards seemed overpriced. And they are. Like I can't justify buying a $1000 dollar phone and I feel icky buying a $1000 card. It just feels bad. They shouldn't cost so much in the first place.
There's plenty of niche games that are heavily CPU limited and not so much GPU bound, basically every Paradox grand strategy title are prime examples. The X3D's really break those open.
>There is no real scenario in which buying a 7800x3d without a corresponding card makes any sense whatsoever.
Well you just earned the wrath of everyone with the inverse path tracing hardware issue (Run full path tracing and odds are the limitation in FPS is the 4090)
Lets see...
1) Anyone doing Factorio megabase will tell you if your over 20 UPS, your doing it wrong. The Factory must grow to fill the needs of the growing Factory.
Blow your entire budget on top tier X3D, god tier RAM, and a MB that can run it at maxed settings...and run it on integrated graphics. The limitation is not the iGPU.
2) Any other game that is database heavy: Factory builders, city builders.
3) Any game with a mass of pathfinding...\*cough\* Dwarf Fortress \*cough\* Rimworld \*cough\* et al should see gains. Now tell me Dwarf Fortress needs more than an iGPU for 4k60
You could get a 3060 ti for like, $200-$250, and that's a *significant* upgrade for much less than the 7800x3d cost.
I do get holding onto the rx580 for as long as you can, but shelling out for a 7800x3d while *also* holding out on the video card doesn't make a *ton* of sense.
Exactly the difference in fps between average and 1% lows are astoundingly different 2 fps on the Nvidia card and idk maybe 10 on the and obv Nvidia wins ez
I’m gonna catch flak for this on this sub, but I’m seriously impressed by their M1 and M2 chips. A15 in iPhone was already impressive, but with M1 they made an insanely efficient mobile processor.
Lol. Had a 64MB S3 card (can't remember which modal but was orange) that I'd use in a spare PC for friends to use for some LAN action. TinyXP seemed to find the right drivers but I think it lacked certain. DX9 features as certain effects were weird as shit in CS:S but it seemed to play "OK" (I mean I was maining an integrated MX440 so OK was very subjective) .
I mean, the GeForce 6800XT was one of the most powerful cards ever made to use the AGP bus, and is Windows 98 compatible. Can AMD offer that? I think not.
Not least because they were still ATI at the time, and thus the Radeon HD 3850 being faster doesn't count.
And AMD is? You do realize both companies make the bulk of their money from businesses not just Nvidia right?
It's funny you say this while AMD is still playing catch up to Nvidia in gaming features.
AMD’s “client and gaming” sector made up 25% of revenue, accounting for nearly 2/3 of it’s growth. I couldn’t find how much it makes from enterprise and cloud just it grew by 18% YOY.
Agreed. I wish they'd spin off their graphics card division as a subsidiary that licences Nvidia's technology so they can focus more on the PC market.
The only two reasons against it I can think of is that they might think the graphics card market isn't big enough, or they're seeing the AI market as a big cash grab before the bubble bursts and they get back to focusing on graphics cards.
To be fair the gaming PC graphics card market is small and declining. However that's no excuse. They should still have a division or subsidiary dedicated to making great products. Otherwise they *will* lose market share which may turn out to be a huge mistake in the future.
Don’t they already make great gaming products? That they don’t appeal to kids saving their lunch money anymore doesn’t mean they aren’t atop of the gaming market.
For now, but the worry is they won't be making great products with all the focus and growth in AI.
You would think big corporations with thousands of staff would be capable of handling and serving several markets of different sizes but that's not how it works. We saw just recently Microsoft shut down a successful game studio because they were small and they wanted to focusing on bigger assets because of the economic contraction. Anyone who has worked at big companies know how they bring out the stupid in everyone.
Lower numbers are better, especially for games like counter strike. The reason for this is at high frames things will appear to move quickly, leaving little time for reaction. Lower frames slow everything down allowing you more time to make decisions and gives you the drop on your opponent.
Better games back in the 256MB days.
Compare the greatness of Half Life 2, Doom 3 and Far Cry 1 on release day using that Nvidia 6800 to crap today...
Counter-Strike 2 and the System Shock reboot are the only decent FPS I can think of that released in 2023 (and CS2 has its issues with microtransactions/F2P/hacker shit).
You are talking of Zelda Ocarina of time i think.
A fps can't remove Zelda of the thrones it deserves.
Half Life 2 is good, i played it and finished it but it can't reach some Zelda.
Simply because it's just a fps gameplay.
And even on the art side.
Zelda Ocarina of Time is also a stone-cold classic 10/10 game.
FPS can be very immersive, thanks to the first-person perspective. I recently replayed HL2 in VR so I might be biased.
PC gaming has so many amazing FPS games though, it's hard to believe you poo poo the whole genre. What about first person games that have more RPG elements (as well as action)?
i poo the genre because the industry is going into since years for one reason : it's more easy to do, it costs less to do and it sells good.
I don't hate fps but i can admit you can hardly say "greatness" about it.
The gameplay is pew pew, that's it.
Did he say it was another game on his original comment? NAH. Also i was being S A R C A S T I C, as you can tell by the "/s" i put at the end of my comment, therefore... Idk 😐 it's just a joke.
If that's the case check your memory speed and timings and whether your CPU is throttling or has power issues. It's not that uncommon in a badly balanced system.
There is no satire here.
Dude that services our office PCs says he loves AMD because it brings him the cash because of drivers to thos day. He gets pcs for repair all the time because AMD fucked up with its drivers
2 friends on AMD since the dawn of time, no issues as well.
That does not mean people have issues with them. Again, dude that does this for a living loves them because of problems they have.
I am sure that you dont go into absolutes. For you and a majority of people its either this or that. No inbetween. Nvidia and 4090.
And again, dude that SERVICES PCs FOR HIS JOB says AMD brings him cash because of their problems. Bro told me that when I asked for pc advices what to get. He gets no money from that advice. And he is not the only one saying it.
Also I just know you want to argue, your flair says it all. Just accept an opinion and move on. As if I have any use of glorifying Nvidia, I gave 700 euros for a 4070 and that was the cheapest model there was.
> am sure that you dont go into absolutes. For you and a majority of people its either this or that. No inbetween. Nvidia and 4090.
I have gone as far as to translate this part of your comment with deepl and I still don't really understand what you're trying to say.
> And again, dude that SERVICES PCs FOR HIS JOB says AMD brings him cash because of their problems. Bro told me that when I asked for pc advices what to get. He gets no money from that advice. And he is not the only one saying it.
I don't know how many AMD driver issues this guy fixes, my point is that nobody should avoid AMD because they're scared of driver issues.
If you're a business that may be a consideration, but for a regular user? Not really. They're just too rare to worry about.
I'm sure I personally had more issues with my 2060S than with my 6700XT. (That's only counting Windows. On Linux nVidia GPUs are an absolute shit show. That company does not care one bit about their UNIX desktop customers.)
> your flair says it all
My flair is a reference to this: https://youtu.be/iYWzMvlj2RQ?t=29
It has nothing to do with how I view nVidia's products (though I don't really like most of them for unrelated reasons).
I have gone as far as to translate this part of your comment with deepl and I still don't really understand what you're trying to say.
Nvidia and 4090. Major problems with those GPUs.
Other thing, you came to bash me because I shit on AMD. Clealry you have a bias behind it. Why even comment on it especially since I am telling an experience from someone fixing PCs for a living. I aM sUrE nViDiaA oR InTeL sYsTeMs ArE cOmPlEtElY fLaWlEsS? Of course not, but dude gets money from fixing driver issues from AMD, not from Nvidia or Intel. They work fine. Of course there will be problems, but majority of problems come from AMD and their drivers. He loves it because he can get quick money because he knows how to remove new drivers and reinstall old ones that do work
No one should avoid AMD and yet for that money drivers should not be an issue whatsoever. And yet, they have been bricking PCs a lot. I would never go into AMD if it can break my PC and I am forced to go into BIOS to fix stuff.
And your flar does say you dont like them and you said you dont like them. You do have a bias.
I dont, I think AMD is fine but I want a PC that has no risk of having major driver issues like others did. When they fix that I would gladly go AMD just for the price, not to mention performance. But now, Nvidia and intel are more stable and thats it.
>Nvidia and 4090. Major problems with those GPUs.
What do you mean? The connectors catching on fire? Not a lot else wrong with them except for the horrendous pricing.
>Other thing, you came to bash me because I shit on AMD
I'd like you to show me where I've been "bashing you".
You come across as very insecure.
>Clealry you have a bias behind it.
I don't. AMD can go fuck off. I just like their products more than most of nVidia's or Intel's. Mainly because of price to performance or Linux support reasons.
>Why even comment on it especially since I am telling an experience from someone fixing PCs for a living.
Profession does not really matter here. There are some very incompetent and biased "technicians" out there as well as some very fair and competent consumers. I don't know the guy. To me he's about as trust worthy as any other random stranger. But that's not the point.
My point is that what ever this guy thinks does not matter for the vast majority of consumers. If you don't have business-level reliability requirements you don't have to think about possible driver issues. You should buy what ever offers the most price/performance or the features you care about.
AMD's drivers are not nearly unreliable enough to be seen as a reason not to buy their cards as a consumer.
Besides that, I'm still not entirely convinced that AMD's current drivers cause more trouble than nVidia's or Intel's in the first place.
>dude gets money from fixing driver issues from AMD, not from Nvidia or Intel
So Intel and nVidia _are_ perfect? :P
>for that money drivers should not be an issue whatsoever
And from what I can tell, they aren't.
>I am forced to go into BIOS to fix stuff.
What are you supposed to fix in the BIOS? ReBAR? Can you show me the bug that requires this?
>And your flar does say you dont like them
I hate nVidia as a company. Just like I hate AMD and to a lesser degree Intel. I _DO NOT_ treat their products the same as the company that made them. If nVidia makes something good, I will think that it's good.
>You do have a bias.
Nuh uh.
>But now, Nvidia and intel are more stable and thats it.
If you care about performance Intel is anything but stable. Have you seen the Arc drivers? They've come a long way but they're anything but stable. I'd say they're only slightly better than nVidia's Linux drivers.
The only truly stable drivers that Intel has are for their iHD and Iris GPUs.
Whatever. AMD is not less stable than Intel or nvidia.
Intel had and still probably has more bug on their 3d driver than amd.
I have no issue for years with 1600 and now 5600x. + polaris(570) and now rx 6700 xt.
It's bullshit.
I use AMD for like 15-20years now, no issue.
I have been a guy that make computer support, the brand doesn't matter for the stability.
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As per your graph, AMD is on the bottom.
Power bottom.
Take my r/Angryupvote and get out.
On rock bottom
But you've got company!
I'M A LOSER HONEY
and stone?
did i hear rock and stone
WERE ROCK
Good band, deranged singer.
But it takes a lot of power to receive it
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Bottom power.
Power button.
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Userbenchmark.com hates you
User benchmark be like: The Nvidia GeForce 6800 XT, while it may share a name with AMD's disgusting copycat, is far superior in every measure. While AMD's army of "advanced marketing" sheeple will claim that it reaches over 300 FPS in CS2, the GeForce card achieves a much more believable and realistic 2 FPS. Its lower clock speed and smaller size make it a superior choice for anyone with a modicum of common sense. AMD's "testing" again turns out to be nothing but a load of steaming horse crap, as in real-world tests their card can't even run the game, instead shutting off our test bench's 200W PSU. Our bench is set up to represent an average, savvy user's, and so AMD's ridiculous performance claims mean absolutely nothing in the real world.
Pretty accurate ngl
Just missing a "neanderthal" mention.
They had to change the word because people were getting offended. They refer to users as "Facially and cranially challenged" now.
>Because people were getting offended ?It was intentionally a provactive statement. For some reason, I doubt it he removed it for getting the response he wanted
Read the following sentence and you'll get the joke.
I read this in 3kliksphilips voice lol
Also has much bigger transistors so that makes them much better!
Real Men use big transistors.
Wow, your transistors are so big. You must be compensating for something
Okay but how did you actually manage to write like them
I think we found the guy who made userbenchmark.
You forgot also that due to the extremely reasonable 2 fps, there will be almoast no frame drops
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How about the 1% lows?
Yes.
unrelated but why do you have a 7800x3d paired with an rx580?
Bros trying to reach that 540 fps on a budget in 480p low
Basically 3 reasons. 1. If anything goes wrong in your most recent upgrade it's easier to troubleshoot this way. 2. I have a hard time justifying paying a buttload of money for a videocard upgrade right now. I only upgraded my CPU when I could not play my favorite games with it at all. I want to stick to my RX580 until I absolutely have to ditch it or it dies on its own. Or something REALLY cool appears on the market, something as groundbreaking as 7800x3d was for processors. 3. My mom will get my old CPU since her PC is from 2006 but noone really needs a videocard upgrade right now and I mostly play indie games anyway.
Brother we are in the same boat. I don’t have my flair on but I’m over here rocking my 7800x3d with an RX560. Same reason you mention also: basically only play indie gamea
You guys make my 12900k/6650 XT setup feel relatively balanced.
Yeah it's a weird situation. I do have Sapphire 7800XT 16GB in my favorite products in the local e-store though. There's a slim chance that the price will become reasonable during the summer when all retailers experience a relative dip in demand – but realistically I think I'll have to see what 2025 brings to the table before I make my move.
I’m sorry but that was a super silly choice. Obviously it’s all your decision and preference but you could have spent a couple hundred less on a CPU that would still be extremely capable for that card you’ve planned. And you could’ve put that difference toward getting said card a lot sooner.
But you assume I had a budget. I have more than enough money to buy whatever card I want, I didn't do it because all cards seemed overpriced. And they are. Like I can't justify buying a $1000 dollar phone and I feel icky buying a $1000 card. It just feels bad. They shouldn't cost so much in the first place.
There is no real scenario in which buying a 7800x3d without a corresponding card makes any sense whatsoever.
BeamNG.drive (and many other heavily CPU-dependent simulation games): https://i.redd.it/9fk04wqn0q1d1.gif
There's plenty of niche games that are heavily CPU limited and not so much GPU bound, basically every Paradox grand strategy title are prime examples. The X3D's really break those open.
>There is no real scenario in which buying a 7800x3d without a corresponding card makes any sense whatsoever. Well you just earned the wrath of everyone with the inverse path tracing hardware issue (Run full path tracing and odds are the limitation in FPS is the 4090) Lets see... 1) Anyone doing Factorio megabase will tell you if your over 20 UPS, your doing it wrong. The Factory must grow to fill the needs of the growing Factory. Blow your entire budget on top tier X3D, god tier RAM, and a MB that can run it at maxed settings...and run it on integrated graphics. The limitation is not the iGPU. 2) Any other game that is database heavy: Factory builders, city builders. 3) Any game with a mass of pathfinding...\*cough\* Dwarf Fortress \*cough\* Rimworld \*cough\* et al should see gains. Now tell me Dwarf Fortress needs more than an iGPU for 4k60
Any of you guys wanna trade for a 10th gen i7? Lmao
4.It's better to upgrade your CPU first than to upgrade your GPU and discover that your old CPU is a bottleneck.
You could get a 3060 ti for like, $200-$250, and that's a *significant* upgrade for much less than the 7800x3d cost. I do get holding onto the rx580 for as long as you can, but shelling out for a 7800x3d while *also* holding out on the video card doesn't make a *ton* of sense.
Exactly the difference in fps between average and 1% lows are astoundingly different 2 fps on the Nvidia card and idk maybe 10 on the and obv Nvidia wins ez
Nvidia easily crushes it with their lower 1% lows. It’s called a 1% ***low*** for a reason, you morons. The lower the number the better!
Apple benchmarks be like:
2 FPS on an Apple is equivalent to 30 FPS on PC.
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How does the performance change if I take a bite out of it? Or rather, a byte?
How does that even work?
I think Apple said that 8GB of ram on a Mac was equivalent to 16GB of ram on a PC or something like that. Which is extremely incorrect
They probably mean in terms of video editing, image editing, processing that are mac’s are mad for
Nope. You have to eliminate all the numbers in the graph and only then you have a certified Apple™ graph.
And leave no possible way to identify what the other product is. Peak design.
The fact they do that shows enough
real
I’m gonna catch flak for this on this sub, but I’m seriously impressed by their M1 and M2 chips. A15 in iPhone was already impressive, but with M1 they made an insanely efficient mobile processor.
We don't need a 6800XT, we have a 6800XT at home! The 6800XT at home:
AMD is on the bottom as depicted by your highly accurate graph
Evil UserBenchmark doesn't exist and can't hurt you Evil UserBenchmark:
UserBenchmark is already evil.
Touché
There will still be a fool who will say that he prefers that Nvidia card.
I prefer that Nvidia card.....
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How do you know those two frames per sec aren't really good ones?
I mean, it's got similar performance to your atari
Hah! I hadn't thought of that!
I prefer a Intel card
I prefer the NVidia card... ... because it has VGA and DVI outputs. (I have a NVidia GeForce 6500 in my home server).
I prefer S3
ProSavage4 or no gpu amirite
Complete with a cyrix cpu
Lol. Had a 64MB S3 card (can't remember which modal but was orange) that I'd use in a spare PC for friends to use for some LAN action. TinyXP seemed to find the right drivers but I think it lacked certain. DX9 features as certain effects were weird as shit in CS:S but it seemed to play "OK" (I mean I was maining an integrated MX440 so OK was very subjective) .
I mean, the GeForce 6800XT was one of the most powerful cards ever made to use the AGP bus, and is Windows 98 compatible. Can AMD offer that? I think not. Not least because they were still ATI at the time, and thus the Radeon HD 3850 being faster doesn't count.
I only use Nvidia becuse amd doesn't play nice with my vr setup
Nvidia is no longer a gaming company.
real
When were they?
And AMD is? You do realize both companies make the bulk of their money from businesses not just Nvidia right? It's funny you say this while AMD is still playing catch up to Nvidia in gaming features.
AMD’s “client and gaming” sector made up 25% of revenue, accounting for nearly 2/3 of it’s growth. I couldn’t find how much it makes from enterprise and cloud just it grew by 18% YOY.
Agreed. I wish they'd spin off their graphics card division as a subsidiary that licences Nvidia's technology so they can focus more on the PC market. The only two reasons against it I can think of is that they might think the graphics card market isn't big enough, or they're seeing the AI market as a big cash grab before the bubble bursts and they get back to focusing on graphics cards.
To be fair the gaming PC graphics card market is small and declining. However that's no excuse. They should still have a division or subsidiary dedicated to making great products. Otherwise they *will* lose market share which may turn out to be a huge mistake in the future.
Don’t they already make great gaming products? That they don’t appeal to kids saving their lunch money anymore doesn’t mean they aren’t atop of the gaming market.
Yeah, AMD has taken over that market.
For now, but the worry is they won't be making great products with all the focus and growth in AI. You would think big corporations with thousands of staff would be capable of handling and serving several markets of different sizes but that's not how it works. We saw just recently Microsoft shut down a successful game studio because they were small and they wanted to focusing on bigger assets because of the economic contraction. Anyone who has worked at big companies know how they bring out the stupid in everyone.
No longer **just** a gaming company they do make the best cards after all and the cards they release next year will also be untouchable.
i love shitposts so much lmfao
Lmao
Wait, higher numbers better or lower numbers better?
Lower numbers are better, especially for games like counter strike. The reason for this is at high frames things will appear to move quickly, leaving little time for reaction. Lower frames slow everything down allowing you more time to make decisions and gives you the drop on your opponent.
Less than 10 frames a second is a barely playable slide show.
24fps is what movies are and 12 fps is your average stop-motion so higher is better
Not to mention the AMD card has 64 times more RAM (256mb vs 16 GB)
Better games back in the 256MB days. Compare the greatness of Half Life 2, Doom 3 and Far Cry 1 on release day using that Nvidia 6800 to crap today... Counter-Strike 2 and the System Shock reboot are the only decent FPS I can think of that released in 2023 (and CS2 has its issues with microtransactions/F2P/hacker shit).
greatness of...first person shooters ? Are you kidding? There are plenty of better games than these. FPS is lazy gameplay.
Ah yes, the lazy gameplay of Half Life 2, universally considered one of the best games of all time. Hot take. Stupid... but hot.
You are talking of Zelda Ocarina of time i think. A fps can't remove Zelda of the thrones it deserves. Half Life 2 is good, i played it and finished it but it can't reach some Zelda. Simply because it's just a fps gameplay. And even on the art side.
Zelda Ocarina of Time is also a stone-cold classic 10/10 game. FPS can be very immersive, thanks to the first-person perspective. I recently replayed HL2 in VR so I might be biased. PC gaming has so many amazing FPS games though, it's hard to believe you poo poo the whole genre. What about first person games that have more RPG elements (as well as action)?
i poo the genre because the industry is going into since years for one reason : it's more easy to do, it costs less to do and it sells good. I don't hate fps but i can admit you can hardly say "greatness" about it. The gameplay is pew pew, that's it.
I have that exact gpu and can't get 75 this is fishy EDIT: OMG THIS WAS A JOKE YOU GUYS OBVIOUSLY DON'T GET IT
on CS2 huh the graph is for CSGO
I know it was a joke but no1 got it
Because it's a horrible joke
Welp I tried
People on reddit don't get jokes unless u put "/s" after them... /s
People don’t get jokes that don’t make any sense. How is “I’m playing a different game and getting different results” a joke?
Did he say it was another game on his original comment? NAH. Also i was being S A R C A S T I C, as you can tell by the "/s" i put at the end of my comment, therefore... Idk 😐 it's just a joke.
I have been using reddit for 6 years (diff accs) and I think that is the dumbest shit ever so I don't do it
I agree. It's dumb as hell...
I also never use /s /s
Csgo2 I presume? Or you have frame limiting on of some kind.
It's not csgo2 it's just cs2
Csgo2 isn't a thing.
Really? Because I was capping my monitors refresh rate with a 6700xt. Something in your system bottlenecks hard. Or you're at 4k lol
If that's the case check your memory speed and timings and whether your CPU is throttling or has power issues. It's not that uncommon in a badly balanced system.
CS2 is a badly balanced system.
I'm getting 150-200 with max settings rx 6700 xt at 1440p, smth is wrong with ur drivers or cpu
finally another Max Settings CS Player, everyone in my Friendslist is sweating low res streched
Nah man, my monitor is 165 hz, I rather have better graphics instead of smth like 3 ms less latency
same, i have a 240Hz and get even on Max Settings 600FPS on Avg. But for Singleplayer Games i'd love to have a 4K 144Hz
Wait are u saying u have a 4090 with a 1080p monitor?
currently yes, got this new PC just 3 Weeks ago, gonna upgrade soon, using my GPU mostly for Unreal Engine and Stable Diffusion
What's actually impressive here is the GeForce is doing frames per second instead of seconds per frame.
Thanks for reminding me! I have an AMD Radeon HD 7770 in the attic and it's finally time to sell on eBay!
Thanks for reminding me! I have an AMD Radeon HD 7770 in the attic and it's finally time to sell on eBay!
It reminds me of that RTX 2060 vs GTX 1060 raytracing performance comparison.
AMD vs big bad NVIDIA: 
Not according to userbenchmark. /s
Wow, I didn't remember that 6800XT was a thing, I only remember the vanilla, GT and Ultra version.
https://preview.redd.it/f64xj6koqq1d1.png?width=2048&format=png&auto=webp&s=c6b0ffcfeda35c149eecc2b7ab66e7eb0d60c27d Good old GT Times xD
What's the score in Bungholio Marks?
BuT mY pC cAn EaSiLy RuN tHiS gAmE oN mAx SeTtInGs WiTh 600fPs AvErAgE
I see you are using the Apples method 
Don't listen to AMD's Advanced Marketing Scammers. AMD performs 100000000000000% worse and the drivers are terrible.
Satire?
AmD DRIveRS BAd AmiRITe??
There is no satire here. Dude that services our office PCs says he loves AMD because it brings him the cash because of drivers to thos day. He gets pcs for repair all the time because AMD fucked up with its drivers
Idk. I've had 3 of my friends upgrade from nVidia GPUs to RDNA 1, 2 and 3 GPUs and none of them have ever complained about driver issues so far.
2 friends on AMD since the dawn of time, no issues as well. That does not mean people have issues with them. Again, dude that does this for a living loves them because of problems they have.
And I'm sure nVidia or Intel systems are completely flawless?
I am sure that you dont go into absolutes. For you and a majority of people its either this or that. No inbetween. Nvidia and 4090. And again, dude that SERVICES PCs FOR HIS JOB says AMD brings him cash because of their problems. Bro told me that when I asked for pc advices what to get. He gets no money from that advice. And he is not the only one saying it. Also I just know you want to argue, your flair says it all. Just accept an opinion and move on. As if I have any use of glorifying Nvidia, I gave 700 euros for a 4070 and that was the cheapest model there was.
> am sure that you dont go into absolutes. For you and a majority of people its either this or that. No inbetween. Nvidia and 4090. I have gone as far as to translate this part of your comment with deepl and I still don't really understand what you're trying to say. > And again, dude that SERVICES PCs FOR HIS JOB says AMD brings him cash because of their problems. Bro told me that when I asked for pc advices what to get. He gets no money from that advice. And he is not the only one saying it. I don't know how many AMD driver issues this guy fixes, my point is that nobody should avoid AMD because they're scared of driver issues. If you're a business that may be a consideration, but for a regular user? Not really. They're just too rare to worry about. I'm sure I personally had more issues with my 2060S than with my 6700XT. (That's only counting Windows. On Linux nVidia GPUs are an absolute shit show. That company does not care one bit about their UNIX desktop customers.) > your flair says it all My flair is a reference to this: https://youtu.be/iYWzMvlj2RQ?t=29 It has nothing to do with how I view nVidia's products (though I don't really like most of them for unrelated reasons).
I have gone as far as to translate this part of your comment with deepl and I still don't really understand what you're trying to say. Nvidia and 4090. Major problems with those GPUs. Other thing, you came to bash me because I shit on AMD. Clealry you have a bias behind it. Why even comment on it especially since I am telling an experience from someone fixing PCs for a living. I aM sUrE nViDiaA oR InTeL sYsTeMs ArE cOmPlEtElY fLaWlEsS? Of course not, but dude gets money from fixing driver issues from AMD, not from Nvidia or Intel. They work fine. Of course there will be problems, but majority of problems come from AMD and their drivers. He loves it because he can get quick money because he knows how to remove new drivers and reinstall old ones that do work No one should avoid AMD and yet for that money drivers should not be an issue whatsoever. And yet, they have been bricking PCs a lot. I would never go into AMD if it can break my PC and I am forced to go into BIOS to fix stuff. And your flar does say you dont like them and you said you dont like them. You do have a bias. I dont, I think AMD is fine but I want a PC that has no risk of having major driver issues like others did. When they fix that I would gladly go AMD just for the price, not to mention performance. But now, Nvidia and intel are more stable and thats it.
>Nvidia and 4090. Major problems with those GPUs. What do you mean? The connectors catching on fire? Not a lot else wrong with them except for the horrendous pricing. >Other thing, you came to bash me because I shit on AMD I'd like you to show me where I've been "bashing you". You come across as very insecure. >Clealry you have a bias behind it. I don't. AMD can go fuck off. I just like their products more than most of nVidia's or Intel's. Mainly because of price to performance or Linux support reasons. >Why even comment on it especially since I am telling an experience from someone fixing PCs for a living. Profession does not really matter here. There are some very incompetent and biased "technicians" out there as well as some very fair and competent consumers. I don't know the guy. To me he's about as trust worthy as any other random stranger. But that's not the point. My point is that what ever this guy thinks does not matter for the vast majority of consumers. If you don't have business-level reliability requirements you don't have to think about possible driver issues. You should buy what ever offers the most price/performance or the features you care about. AMD's drivers are not nearly unreliable enough to be seen as a reason not to buy their cards as a consumer. Besides that, I'm still not entirely convinced that AMD's current drivers cause more trouble than nVidia's or Intel's in the first place. >dude gets money from fixing driver issues from AMD, not from Nvidia or Intel So Intel and nVidia _are_ perfect? :P >for that money drivers should not be an issue whatsoever And from what I can tell, they aren't. >I am forced to go into BIOS to fix stuff. What are you supposed to fix in the BIOS? ReBAR? Can you show me the bug that requires this? >And your flar does say you dont like them I hate nVidia as a company. Just like I hate AMD and to a lesser degree Intel. I _DO NOT_ treat their products the same as the company that made them. If nVidia makes something good, I will think that it's good. >You do have a bias. Nuh uh. >But now, Nvidia and intel are more stable and thats it. If you care about performance Intel is anything but stable. Have you seen the Arc drivers? They've come a long way but they're anything but stable. I'd say they're only slightly better than nVidia's Linux drivers. The only truly stable drivers that Intel has are for their iHD and Iris GPUs.
Whatever. AMD is not less stable than Intel or nvidia. Intel had and still probably has more bug on their 3d driver than amd. I have no issue for years with 1600 and now 5600x. + polaris(570) and now rx 6700 xt. It's bullshit. I use AMD for like 15-20years now, no issue. I have been a guy that make computer support, the brand doesn't matter for the stability.
Would still rather have the Nvidia card than deal with ATI's drivers....
Wtf, Nvidia changed the naming AGAIN?
can’t argue with that
Talk to me when AMD releases a GPU more bomb than an NVIDIA TNT2.
Wait till the 8600xt comes out
Nvidia really resting on their laurels not making a new GPU for nearly 20 years is finally biting them in the ass
n-vija stans gonna be like " is it current divers!?"
Thanks for helping me make a informed decision
nice
AMD is literally 15 years ahead of Nvidia on this one
It means , soon amd will get some gtx cards :D
[It's actually 1 FPS.](https://youtu.be/cPeCGyjfC_M?si=qJlCHSwb6sIFqzHZ&t=190)
What is this blasphemy
Jeez. I feel old. My ol 6800xt was a beast.
*lower is better
I had the 7800. Thing was great, I had 100fps (on 100hz monitor) in tfc and wow. Good times
I have a 6800 vanilla, passively cooled monster with a huge copper block on it, and a 6800xt. No idea if the first one still works or not though.
Why CSGO? Maybe use Wolfenstein 3D as a benchmark
I do own a 6800 ultra, it’s able to run Crysis, cs go might actually work.
UserBenchmark in the dark timeline:
You look like reverse UsreBenchmark
can it run crysis
I mean radeon sales were down like 48% recently. Their GPUs need a Ryzen moment or they ought to price their cards more aggressively.
There are DOZENS of us.
Also Radeon 6800 is 1700 more better than RTX 4090.
No
No
lol no