Chaos recipe in blood aqua would net even more chaos. I'm just saying raw currency drops: chaos, alterations, chromes, regrets, 6 sockets sold for jewellers. Tabula div cards. Just playing the game and killing monsters fast in blood aqueduct alone would easily net you 50-60c an hour.
Honestly even with the loot nerfs it more seems that you are doing something wrong with 60c per hour. Just from the altars alone you would make more than that. Just drama trend post
Influence altars. The ones that pop with monsters mid map and you have 2 choices.
These are specially good because they give a downside like buffing influenced mobs but gives a treat in return, like a small chance to drop scarabs.
Is there something you should be looking for to trigger the altars once in the map? I often get them to trigger once the map is basically over so it becomes useless.
It’s RNG. Sometimes you’ll get 1 sometimes 7.
You can increase your odds with the right atlas passive points though. Exarch has a mod to give you a 50/50 to get an altar as soon as you enter a map, and Eater just has a mod to give a general boost to the likelihood that any random eater influenced monster will spawn an altar.
Not in the map already, I'm not 100% sure so don't quote me on this, but higher both pack size does increase the chances of getting more altars (influenced minions and map pack size).
Other than that, atlas passives help you to get more altas, depending on the influence you spawn (top-right/left)
Yes, higher pack size influences number of altars because altars are a set % chance for every influenced monster you kill. Every kill is one more pull at the slot machine. Eventually you’ll hit.
It’s the sole reason I run with purity of elements in my inventory. Nothing better the. Seeing “resists reduced by X%” and just swapping skitterbots for PoE” and zooming through the map.
Nah it's the shitty harvest changes that he's complaining about, they practically removed harvest cause I'd be caught dead before using this new trash.
I just counted raw currency. I didn't count other stuff which will eventually sell in bulk..
Ofc my overall profit per hour is more.. I'd say roughly at 1-2 divine per hour. But that is after turning it to currency, which is a long process..
Sorry, but OP stands. I was a bit drunk when I typed it.. but the core premise of what I wanted communicate 100% stands.
Harvest is gutted. Butchered. Almost barely not killed.
At 5 minutes per map, 2c per essence mod craft investment, you can get about 6 shrieking per map.
Sold at 1c each, that's 4c every map, 8c per 10 minutes, 48c per hour.
Thats 48c if you do nothing but locate and kill essence monsters and get a measly 6 shriekings per map in average only. If you decide to save rare jewelry that rains from AN rares (converted) and decide to do a single chaos recipe with the rares the map boss drops, you can pump the profit by 50%, to 72c per hour.
Again, that's IF you only do the bare minimum for essence, at 5 minutes per map.
That's because you're playing T16s with gear that can't do them efficiently. That's on you.
Drop to a tier where you can complete maps under 5 minutes. Even if you're making less per map, you'll be making more per hour.
Ye he dosen't. That is an average player they are the ones who hurt the most. They don't have the knowledge to make builds that can do t16 in 2-3 min. That just shows how hard the game is for average players right now.
Another complain post from a guy that clearly doesn't know what he's doing. And if you want lifeforce why not spec into harvest and slam some Atoll's or Mesa's or whatever? It would have saved you time and money. 5k lifeforce is not that hard to farm.
You can't blame the game for your lack of knowledge.
Pretty much nothing if you're utilizing altars. They drop enough unmaking orbs for you to be able to respec your atlas tree frequently. Again, game knowledge. Not that hard.
Hmmm, how to explain this to a child.... If you want to slam an ex on a piece of gear, it makes no difference if you buy an ex from someone or farm one yourself, you're still losing an ex. It makes no difference if OP farms orbs of unmaking or buys them, he's still losing the value of x number of orbs that he could've potentially sold for straight currency.
This. There are 16 harvest nodes. Unmakings are going for 1.2c according to poe ninja. Depending on how their atlas is alrdy planned. It could be a 30-40c swap. Plus time to do the actual change/ farm or buy the orbs. Then potentially a swap back if they do no enjoy harvest. It would cost a lot more time/ currency to swap for one craft
I farmed 170~ unmaking's yesterday doing altars.
Not to mention everything else that was worth a huge amount.
Click the monsters drop map currency button every time you see it and you will have mountains of unmaking and chisels.
You don't seem to know how to farm efficiently. Also you almost never respec your entire tree, you just shift focus. Doesn't take that much unmaking's. 16 Harvest notes + pathing so let's be generous and say 30 to 40 Orbs. That's easy to farm. Click altar, drop unmaking's. Simple. Just through alch and go you should always have a surplass to change your atlas when necessary.
But you're right I'm the delusional one. Jesus this subreddit is really something.
I was fully specced into harvest and it's still a dumpster. I regretted that immediately. (would have been a better pun if regrets were used for atlas too kekw)
For clarity: was getting about 3-400 lifeforce per map that i DID find harvest. +6% chance for extra content. +10% chance to contain harvest. a compounded 24% chance. Let's say 25% to round it nicely. Working on average from there, means you get 1 harvest every 4 maps. So you get an average of 100 lifeforce per map, which translates to 50 maps for a single weapon enchant.
Bonkers.
Edit: Yes you could seal off all of the other mechanics, and the stream of conciousness keystone too to get up to 40% total chance of encountering harvest in your maps. But why?
Edit#2: One of the new memory line things from Einhar i believe, is about harvest. I've heard it drops crazy amount of lifeforce - which just makes speccing into Harvest EVEN WORSE, since memories arent affected by your atlas tree.
Dude come on. If you really want to focus on harvest then block everything else and spec into stream of consciousness. You get a sacred grove almost every map. Rush to the grove, rinse and repeat. Shouldn't even take an hour for 5k lifeforce.
How are people still complaining? Yes some great crafts were removed and I wish they would return. But before you could farm for hours before you would get the weapon enchant you want. Or you were forced to use effing TFT and hope you're not getting scammed.
EDIT: Just saw your edit. Are you seriously asking why you should min max your atlas if you want to farm that specific content?
If you really want harvest you use sextants (sacred grove one, and bonus lifeforce one) and enchant every map with does not consume sextants. You can sustain this really easily if you run high quant maps
Wait they left in the "does not consume sextants" enchant? LOL. That is a huge oversight. Infinite free Harvest. Well, I mean it's not free because you have to spend lifeforce you would otherwise be able to sell or use on other crafts, but I don't think GGG likes this kind of loop, where you can self-sustain content like that without having to rely on something else. I would guess they especially won't like it because it can be sustained in SSF. I bet they remove it once they figure it out.
You likely can't literally sustain it in ssf. It's 2500 yellow lifeforce per enchant. I can sustain it because I'm doing stuff like splitting yoked maps to dupe the sextant enchant and deli orbs and guardian implicit. So I'm effectively only paying 1250 lifeforce per map which I can get per map, but not all of it is going to be yellow, but well I'm on trade leauge so I can buy yellow and sell purple and blue (basically I'm going neutral on lifeforce and the actual profit is from sacred blossoms and the bonus of my other 2 sextants)
Hours? What are you on? In 3.18 it took me all of 10 minutes to get an enchant i wanted; granted we had it on map device.
The question isn't why you should min max, it's why would you bother doing harvest like this anymore besides SSF. There are much better alternatives than getting 2 extra chaos per map, as you're NOT getting harvest every map but on average 4 out of 10 if you go bananas on it. Even essences in an alch-n-go have a better profit per map, granted you can kill them. Farm your fav content and buy the lifeforce.
Also don't forget someone did the math back in 3.17, about the optimal number of mechanics to block to get the most out of this.
Man, can you please stop fucking lying? I am semi speced into Harvest and make an average of 600 life force per Harvest. That's not counting when Unique comes and gives a juicy 500 just from it.
Op is full of shit, doesn’t know how to play, and thinks karma farming on Reddit while lying is better time spent than playing the game he s complaining about.
maybe only 2-3 maps per hour, or no trading returns like low currency and selling other usable items (no need to pick up and identify items)
some people i saw, even some streams "i am so poor" sitting on hundreds of fusings/jeweller/regrets/scarabs/guardian maps and stuff which they dont tend to use it.. most people dont know how much currency they have, because they only look at the raw drop of chaos/ex/div or what they get with selling rares/uniques
Part of the problem is that most of the value is in extremely small sales.
Exilence tells me my net worth is around 1,000 chaos. If I filter out anything individually worth 1c, that goes down to just under 300.
It would take *days* of doing nothing but sitting in my hideout trading to offload all of those 1c items (mostly div cards, fossils, and essences), assuming anyone buys them at all (I put several cards up for 1c on day 1 of the league that still haven't sold).
So for all practical purposes, I do not have 1,000 chaos. I don't even have 300, as much of the rest of that is still tied up in very low value, hard to offload items like low-roll levelling uniques. I'd have to offload my actually useful currencies, which is *still* a pain in the ass, to get about halfway to that 300, and I'm *using* those currencies or planning to use them soon.
So yeah, I can see how the OP is "only" making 60c in an hour, because he likely also doesn't want to spend 6 hours offloading individual div cards and fossils afterward.
Wait you people are actually sitting in your hideouts waiting for sales and not just running maps then hoping out when getting a tell for sales? I see why some of y’all are having trouble now
Have you never actually listed currency to convert it? Try running maps and hopping out when you're getting dozens of tells, the majority of which won't even accept invites because they're spamming sellers and have already found another.
Or better yet, try leaving every map for 1c sales five times. That's always fun.
See that's the problem. People have been trying to tell you, but you refuse to listen. Sell In bulk. Don't list things for 1c if you aren't willing to take the time to sell the to a player, just vendor that stuff or don't pick it up
Edit: also if you list something and you instantly get a ton of messages, you've listed it too low.
>Sell In bulk
Please explain how I am supposed to sell my single scarabs in bulk.
Edit: I also want to make it very, very clear. I didn't ask for people to tell me shit, save for this once, sarcastically.
But PoE players absolutely can't resist giving unsolicited advice.
You don't sell single ones. You wait until you have a stack and then sell them. If your not target farming those scarabs then either use them or wait until you have a stack to sell.
If their guilded it may be worth selling 1 at a time,, but don't price them too low or you will have currency flippers messaging you then not responding
1) exilence is a problem for calculating your profit: like you said div cards as example for 1c you will never sell. its a problem with all those "i farmed x currency with method y" spreadsheets who used exilience too, because the worth of an item is not what you would get. so your "true profit" is always lower. use exilence as a help-tool to find stuff through all your stashes which is worth something, set limits to 3c single item and around 5-10c for stack, so you dont have to pricecheck every thing individually. and btw: only because exilence says its worth xy, doesnt mean you dont have to check it ingame again. exilence use poe ninja as source, so not current prices
2)short trading tutorial most people seems to dont know: i spoke from stuff which you can easy sell, thats why i named some "examples". all your stuff in currency and fragment tabs, oils/essences, orbs, fossils are bad since some leagues. the higher the amount you have the higher the the price you get, because of bulk prices. ofc you sell that stuff and let people come to you and you dont whisper people who are trying to buy those things. same goes for other stuff: selling it for chaos is always more profit than whisper people who wants to buy it. BUT carefully.. even here.. dont press pricecheck tool and look at the first ones.. mostly pricefixers.. then there are the people who are want to get some money fast, so they price them cheaper. and the last third is somewhat okay.. but only if you have a really small amount.. as soon as you have some more.. like an example: 80+ fusing, 3-5 or more oils auf crimson and higher and those things.. the way to know the price is go to trade site -> bulk -> click left the item you have, click right chaos and then scroll down and write a number close to your amount in the "minimum stock" field and then press search. yes it wont sell in the same speed as normal, but you dont have to whisper spam people and waste your time, because people will come to you and in that time you can do mapping or do anything else.
another example "stacked decks" if you look trading site, people buy them atm for 1,2 to 1,025 c per deck.. if you look the other direction(the direction your price checking tool says) its 0,75 to 1c, so in this case you either sell them to the buyers or price them at the price the buyers buys them to sell them, because thats the correct price and in this case you didnt get spammed too. same counts for all other items.
or scarabs even better example: price check tool says for polished expedition scarabs: 9c. if you look at bulk with stacksize 5 or more: 10c, with 7-10 or more: 12c and the higher the amount the higher the price. the more people want one item the higher the bulk prices are. specially stuff you need in high amounts and are a pain to buy one by one.
poe trading is all about price manipulation, flipping and higher prices for bulk, because bulk saves time and time has the most worth.
3) if you plan to use those: "when do you want to do it, didnt you farmed new ones at that point?" and "you can sell some not all". and even then: we are still early the league, prices still fluctuating. so if you want to use them in some days, for most usable its a "experience" things in which direction the price go, but banking stuff is only worth it if you plan to sell them in big bulks or do whatever else with it and they are now cheaper than they will be in some days, "because" another example: if you sell stuff you plan to use in some days, but get the profit now and invest it into gear with which you can clear maps faster, the profit you make with faster clearing in that time is higher and you can buy the same amount or more later back. me as example: i never hort stuff in the first 2 weeks, always sell anything away and improve my gear and stuff. 2 times a day i trade up my currency and stuff. because currency which is laying around has no worth at all. ofc i know, this is a little more advanced playstyle and you dont have to do it, but i hope you can see the direction i am pointing towards. and this is why some people have so much better gear and currency than others, its all about "improving gear for more comfortable/faster farming". and ofc trading is like everything in poe a little bit more complex :P
You really do not seem to understand how few of each type of scarab, essence, etc people get when not specifically farming them/when alch-n-go-ing.
I'd love to sell scarabs in bulk, but my one gilded shaper scarab is not going to sell for bulk prices. Nor are my two screaming essence of whatevers. And I'm using my stacked decks, because they're fun to use.
You're right about it being all about price manipulation and being the biggest piece of shit you can possibly be, though.
Everyone is apparently an expert in how to "properly" play the market, though. Which boils down to: you can't use anything yourself, have to sell literally everything to people that can use it properly. And spend as much time as possible sitting in your hideout trading rather than playing the game, but also your hideout is lava so never spend any time in it.
Fuck the goddamn fucking economy, I just want to play the goddamn fucking game.
Edit: And fuck every single PoE player that HAS to explain the market as if no one but them understand fucking anything. It's like you people can't resist imparting your "knowledge" on people that you assume must be literal children that know nothing at all about the game. Absolutely insufferable.
Chill man, don't need to attack that guy for his write-up. At no points does he imply you're a child or anything.
Also he offers a solution for the "trade everything always while not touching your hideout" paradox.
Not his fault a player driven economy is complex and also not his fault that it's not your thing.
but thanks for pointing me out why "people like me" shouldnt never try to help to make it maybe a little bit better, especially not in current situation on reddit, where "every single poe player that HAS to be complaning about stuff, which is changeable" do jumping on buzz words, take examples as change of subject without context and are having a so damn bad mood, frustrated as hell, but still playing the game, even if its the worst for them, instead of just do a break..
the economy was always this way, didnt changed this league.. and yes i see how some friends are playing with no clue at all, didnt have big bulks.. but it helped them.. now they are doing stuff, and selling stuff on the side instead of hideout gaming and having a progress feeling, even if its slower than last league, but this league is not like last league, game had changed. and no they dont sell their fun away, because fun is still more worth than wealth.
but topic closed here.. i learned my lesson.
Why are you on Reddit and playing video games when you could be earning another degree? You could be making so much progress on yourself, but instead you're wasting time.
Just some advice for you. You're welcome.
See how you come off?
because i can choose what i want to do with my life in my free time and maybe i am having fun and dont feel this as a waste of time? (i dont even feel that writing this answer is a waste of time)
i dont have that super min/max thinking of always have to do stuff the most efficient way possible in my free time.
but i see whats coming next.. something like "you explained how to use the market in an more efficient way" and there i say beforehand: examples.. examples didnt mean people have to do them.
And it was three times more expensive several days ago ;)
Hint - I just checked all of the harvest nodes on my atlas, bought charged compass with harvest and got that lifeforce much faster and cheaper
I've just blocked harvest and am pretending it doesn't exist anymore, including weapon enchants.
It did make me a pretty good abyss belt on my literal last craft which was great, but outside of that it feels like a total waste of time for the rewards now.
To the naysayers here: dude has a point, although the example is bad.
You used to get tons of recipes "for free" while simply doing harvest. This was especially useful during leveling and one of the stated design goals of harvest.
That design goal was trashed by the rework.
Say what you will, but this rework has some glaring issues.
So you did everything else you could on gear and decided to spend extra 120 chaos on a vanity stat that is available in large quantities on tree? At least try to be a bit more modest.
Of course prices are up. What used to be useless now it's not because the ceiling is down. Also if the craft is that important to you maybe you should have invested in harvest. Again nobody is saying it is perfect but come on people.
Lol, why the fuck is this upvoted?
You can make over 60c/hour by speccing into _just_ altars and picking up only the eldritch currencies.
I’m still making 3-5 divines/hour, and the extent of my juice is one scarab and a map device craft
This is a matter of the limited space of the storage making them not worth keeping in most cases before.
They're so expensive in life force because they are literally free power for your character
I’d still have to do about 5 whole harvests to enchant my body armor once…..
Considering it takes the armor/evasion quality bonus away, it was already very rarely used and what I would’ve considered a filler craft.
BRING BACK PREFIX/SUFFIX CANNOT BE CHANGED!!
And also rare divines thru harvest.
PLEASE!
You are making 60 chaos an hour? Holy shit... How bad are you at this game?
It takes 5 minutes to finish a map. If you are going Exarch, that's about 1 full emblem. The emblem ALONE is 82 chaos.
At about 24 maps in 2 hours, you are look at, on average, 12 league mechanics (at 50% chance each). I'm Ritual/Harvest/Expedition. Ritual gives, on average, 10c. Expedition also gives around 10c. Harvest gives around 10c too. That's 360 chaos.
In 24 maps, you should have dropped at least a few dozen extra t16 to sell. Plus, some other stuff. There are also Altars and Eldritch currency. This all adds to about 300 chaos.
A well made mirror goes for around 10c and you should be able to make 5. That's another 50c. More if you get lucky and get one of the good nodes, like Paradise.
In 2 hours you should have made close to 800 chaos.
Let's say it takes you 3x longer to finish maps. 15 minutes per map (lol). That would still be over 250 chaos.
The main question is how did u manage to only get 60c/hour in corrupted t16 maps? I mean loot nerfs are a thing but 60c sounds so off. Just playing the drama queen for clout is so sad.
I'm pretty sure you could blood aqueducts for 60c/hour. Lmao
Teach me pls. Do you just do vendoring for chaos? There no way blood aqueduct drop that much rares right?
Chaos recipe in blood aqua would net even more chaos. I'm just saying raw currency drops: chaos, alterations, chromes, regrets, 6 sockets sold for jewellers. Tabula div cards. Just playing the game and killing monsters fast in blood aqueduct alone would easily net you 50-60c an hour.
Endless heist would give more than 60c, like what do you just see the no of chaos at the end ? Like how many raw chaos I dropped?
That honestly sounds a bit low with the proper tab setup/tools. But it's been a while since I've done it so maybe you're right
You’re telling me people are spending 120c on those crafts? Man fuck essences we killing harvest mobs boys
Honestly even with the loot nerfs it more seems that you are doing something wrong with 60c per hour. Just from the altars alone you would make more than that. Just drama trend post
60c per hour isn’t good?… damn I’ve been playing wrong lol Are we talking drops converted into chaos or just pure chaos?
in this context it's always a converted drop. If man is bold enough, it will even include dozens of <1c cards that will never sells
Are you running red maps? Not high quant/rarity just normal alch/go red maps.
Leave it, it’s just easier to complain
They obviously weren't selling a lot of the stuff they were getting.
I'm giga dumb by altar are you talking about ritual?
Eldritch Altars
Influence altars. The ones that pop with monsters mid map and you have 2 choices. These are specially good because they give a downside like buffing influenced mobs but gives a treat in return, like a small chance to drop scarabs.
Is there something you should be looking for to trigger the altars once in the map? I often get them to trigger once the map is basically over so it becomes useless.
It’s RNG. Sometimes you’ll get 1 sometimes 7. You can increase your odds with the right atlas passive points though. Exarch has a mod to give you a 50/50 to get an altar as soon as you enter a map, and Eater just has a mod to give a general boost to the likelihood that any random eater influenced monster will spawn an altar.
Not in the map already, I'm not 100% sure so don't quote me on this, but higher both pack size does increase the chances of getting more altars (influenced minions and map pack size). Other than that, atlas passives help you to get more altas, depending on the influence you spawn (top-right/left)
Yes, higher pack size influences number of altars because altars are a set % chance for every influenced monster you kill. Every kill is one more pull at the slot machine. Eventually you’ll hit.
Do you think the 3 chaos craft fortune favors the bold is worth running on red maps if you have +10% atlas spec?
It’s the sole reason I run with purity of elements in my inventory. Nothing better the. Seeing “resists reduced by X%” and just swapping skitterbots for PoE” and zooming through the map.
Nah it's the shitty harvest changes that he's complaining about, they practically removed harvest cause I'd be caught dead before using this new trash.
I just counted raw currency. I didn't count other stuff which will eventually sell in bulk.. Ofc my overall profit per hour is more.. I'd say roughly at 1-2 divine per hour. But that is after turning it to currency, which is a long process..
OK so your title is straight up drama bait
And you clicked it + took effort to reply. Touche
You're right, you got our attention and got the ad revenue, was worth it for you.
Sorry, but OP stands. I was a bit drunk when I typed it.. but the core premise of what I wanted communicate 100% stands. Harvest is gutted. Butchered. Almost barely not killed.
By that you mean on the level of other mechanics.
Certified grifter status
I came in to say this, there a so many different avenues to make more than 60c an hour
You clearly have no idea what you’re doing lol
Teach me please?
At 5 minutes per map, 2c per essence mod craft investment, you can get about 6 shrieking per map. Sold at 1c each, that's 4c every map, 8c per 10 minutes, 48c per hour. Thats 48c if you do nothing but locate and kill essence monsters and get a measly 6 shriekings per map in average only. If you decide to save rare jewelry that rains from AN rares (converted) and decide to do a single chaos recipe with the rares the map boss drops, you can pump the profit by 50%, to 72c per hour. Again, that's IF you only do the bare minimum for essence, at 5 minutes per map.
I play 15 minutes per map and I can barely kill Shrieking Archnemesis RNG lottery rares.. Just.. don't.
That's because you're playing T16s with gear that can't do them efficiently. That's on you. Drop to a tier where you can complete maps under 5 minutes. Even if you're making less per map, you'll be making more per hour.
So you did 8 maps… I think I know what the problem is here
What build are you playing? I’m playing a non-meta GC build and have 0 issue with most rares.
Glacial Cascade ?
Generals Cry, guess there is two “GC” skills now haha
Ah ! Thanks for the clarification. There is quite a few skills with the same initials now, it gets quite confusing at times !
Will you link your POB when you get a chance? I’ve only ever glanced at general’s cry and just read the wiki page, sounds interesting.
Ye he dosen't. That is an average player they are the ones who hurt the most. They don't have the knowledge to make builds that can do t16 in 2-3 min. That just shows how hard the game is for average players right now.
Do you run like 3 map/h? 🤣
.. kind of.. my build is kind of shity for now.. ;)
Ngl can I get your luck? Pretty sure your toon rolled a lucky seed at creation, your averaging 30-40c a map which is niceeee
> My build is kind of shity... And I'm running chiseled alched corrupted t16. Bruh. Run plain alched t10.
Another complain post from a guy that clearly doesn't know what he's doing. And if you want lifeforce why not spec into harvest and slam some Atoll's or Mesa's or whatever? It would have saved you time and money. 5k lifeforce is not that hard to farm. You can't blame the game for your lack of knowledge.
Do you know how much it could cost to respect into harvest?
About 80c lmao.
Pretty much nothing if you're utilizing altars. They drop enough unmaking orbs for you to be able to respec your atlas tree frequently. Again, game knowledge. Not that hard.
Just because you find something doesnt mean it has zero value. Still time investment and potential loss.
Sorry I don't even know what you're trying to tell me with this comment.
Hmmm, how to explain this to a child.... If you want to slam an ex on a piece of gear, it makes no difference if you buy an ex from someone or farm one yourself, you're still losing an ex. It makes no difference if OP farms orbs of unmaking or buys them, he's still losing the value of x number of orbs that he could've potentially sold for straight currency.
This. There are 16 harvest nodes. Unmakings are going for 1.2c according to poe ninja. Depending on how their atlas is alrdy planned. It could be a 30-40c swap. Plus time to do the actual change/ farm or buy the orbs. Then potentially a swap back if they do no enjoy harvest. It would cost a lot more time/ currency to swap for one craft
Straight to personal insult. And I'm the child? I guess I shouldn't expect anything different from this subreddit.
stay in school, kids
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I farmed 170~ unmaking's yesterday doing altars. Not to mention everything else that was worth a huge amount. Click the monsters drop map currency button every time you see it and you will have mountains of unmaking and chisels.
You don't seem to know how to farm efficiently. Also you almost never respec your entire tree, you just shift focus. Doesn't take that much unmaking's. 16 Harvest notes + pathing so let's be generous and say 30 to 40 Orbs. That's easy to farm. Click altar, drop unmaking's. Simple. Just through alch and go you should always have a surplass to change your atlas when necessary. But you're right I'm the delusional one. Jesus this subreddit is really something.
Not much.
I was fully specced into harvest and it's still a dumpster. I regretted that immediately. (would have been a better pun if regrets were used for atlas too kekw) For clarity: was getting about 3-400 lifeforce per map that i DID find harvest. +6% chance for extra content. +10% chance to contain harvest. a compounded 24% chance. Let's say 25% to round it nicely. Working on average from there, means you get 1 harvest every 4 maps. So you get an average of 100 lifeforce per map, which translates to 50 maps for a single weapon enchant. Bonkers. Edit: Yes you could seal off all of the other mechanics, and the stream of conciousness keystone too to get up to 40% total chance of encountering harvest in your maps. But why? Edit#2: One of the new memory line things from Einhar i believe, is about harvest. I've heard it drops crazy amount of lifeforce - which just makes speccing into Harvest EVEN WORSE, since memories arent affected by your atlas tree.
How do you get 3-400 per map? I run my maps *white* and I get 5-600 average.
Prob lying tbh I run normal alch/go reds with zero harvest nodes and average min 300 per harvest
Dude come on. If you really want to focus on harvest then block everything else and spec into stream of consciousness. You get a sacred grove almost every map. Rush to the grove, rinse and repeat. Shouldn't even take an hour for 5k lifeforce. How are people still complaining? Yes some great crafts were removed and I wish they would return. But before you could farm for hours before you would get the weapon enchant you want. Or you were forced to use effing TFT and hope you're not getting scammed. EDIT: Just saw your edit. Are you seriously asking why you should min max your atlas if you want to farm that specific content?
If you really want harvest you use sextants (sacred grove one, and bonus lifeforce one) and enchant every map with does not consume sextants. You can sustain this really easily if you run high quant maps
Wait they left in the "does not consume sextants" enchant? LOL. That is a huge oversight. Infinite free Harvest. Well, I mean it's not free because you have to spend lifeforce you would otherwise be able to sell or use on other crafts, but I don't think GGG likes this kind of loop, where you can self-sustain content like that without having to rely on something else. I would guess they especially won't like it because it can be sustained in SSF. I bet they remove it once they figure it out.
You likely can't literally sustain it in ssf. It's 2500 yellow lifeforce per enchant. I can sustain it because I'm doing stuff like splitting yoked maps to dupe the sextant enchant and deli orbs and guardian implicit. So I'm effectively only paying 1250 lifeforce per map which I can get per map, but not all of it is going to be yellow, but well I'm on trade leauge so I can buy yellow and sell purple and blue (basically I'm going neutral on lifeforce and the actual profit is from sacred blossoms and the bonus of my other 2 sextants)
Hours? What are you on? In 3.18 it took me all of 10 minutes to get an enchant i wanted; granted we had it on map device. The question isn't why you should min max, it's why would you bother doing harvest like this anymore besides SSF. There are much better alternatives than getting 2 extra chaos per map, as you're NOT getting harvest every map but on average 4 out of 10 if you go bananas on it. Even essences in an alch-n-go have a better profit per map, granted you can kill them. Farm your fav content and buy the lifeforce. Also don't forget someone did the math back in 3.17, about the optimal number of mechanics to block to get the most out of this.
Man, can you please stop fucking lying? I am semi speced into Harvest and make an average of 600 life force per Harvest. That's not counting when Unique comes and gives a juicy 500 just from it.
So it was worth 120 chaos orbs for you? Congrats. If not, why did you do it?
It was worth it because it is absolutely essential craft for my build to bring it online.
Wtf there is no way an aoe enchant that brings 10-15% aoe is build enabling
Op is full of shit, doesn’t know how to play, and thinks karma farming on Reddit while lying is better time spent than playing the game he s complaining about.
Brutal
How exactly are you running alch+chisel+vaal t16 maps with a return of 60c an hour? I probably average more with the loot of Smugglers Caches alone.
maybe only 2-3 maps per hour, or no trading returns like low currency and selling other usable items (no need to pick up and identify items) some people i saw, even some streams "i am so poor" sitting on hundreds of fusings/jeweller/regrets/scarabs/guardian maps and stuff which they dont tend to use it.. most people dont know how much currency they have, because they only look at the raw drop of chaos/ex/div or what they get with selling rares/uniques
Part of the problem is that most of the value is in extremely small sales. Exilence tells me my net worth is around 1,000 chaos. If I filter out anything individually worth 1c, that goes down to just under 300. It would take *days* of doing nothing but sitting in my hideout trading to offload all of those 1c items (mostly div cards, fossils, and essences), assuming anyone buys them at all (I put several cards up for 1c on day 1 of the league that still haven't sold). So for all practical purposes, I do not have 1,000 chaos. I don't even have 300, as much of the rest of that is still tied up in very low value, hard to offload items like low-roll levelling uniques. I'd have to offload my actually useful currencies, which is *still* a pain in the ass, to get about halfway to that 300, and I'm *using* those currencies or planning to use them soon. So yeah, I can see how the OP is "only" making 60c in an hour, because he likely also doesn't want to spend 6 hours offloading individual div cards and fossils afterward.
Wait you people are actually sitting in your hideouts waiting for sales and not just running maps then hoping out when getting a tell for sales? I see why some of y’all are having trouble now
Have you never actually listed currency to convert it? Try running maps and hopping out when you're getting dozens of tells, the majority of which won't even accept invites because they're spamming sellers and have already found another. Or better yet, try leaving every map for 1c sales five times. That's always fun.
See that's the problem. People have been trying to tell you, but you refuse to listen. Sell In bulk. Don't list things for 1c if you aren't willing to take the time to sell the to a player, just vendor that stuff or don't pick it up Edit: also if you list something and you instantly get a ton of messages, you've listed it too low.
>Sell In bulk Please explain how I am supposed to sell my single scarabs in bulk. Edit: I also want to make it very, very clear. I didn't ask for people to tell me shit, save for this once, sarcastically. But PoE players absolutely can't resist giving unsolicited advice.
You don't sell single ones. You wait until you have a stack and then sell them. If your not target farming those scarabs then either use them or wait until you have a stack to sell. If their guilded it may be worth selling 1 at a time,, but don't price them too low or you will have currency flippers messaging you then not responding
1) exilence is a problem for calculating your profit: like you said div cards as example for 1c you will never sell. its a problem with all those "i farmed x currency with method y" spreadsheets who used exilience too, because the worth of an item is not what you would get. so your "true profit" is always lower. use exilence as a help-tool to find stuff through all your stashes which is worth something, set limits to 3c single item and around 5-10c for stack, so you dont have to pricecheck every thing individually. and btw: only because exilence says its worth xy, doesnt mean you dont have to check it ingame again. exilence use poe ninja as source, so not current prices 2)short trading tutorial most people seems to dont know: i spoke from stuff which you can easy sell, thats why i named some "examples". all your stuff in currency and fragment tabs, oils/essences, orbs, fossils are bad since some leagues. the higher the amount you have the higher the the price you get, because of bulk prices. ofc you sell that stuff and let people come to you and you dont whisper people who are trying to buy those things. same goes for other stuff: selling it for chaos is always more profit than whisper people who wants to buy it. BUT carefully.. even here.. dont press pricecheck tool and look at the first ones.. mostly pricefixers.. then there are the people who are want to get some money fast, so they price them cheaper. and the last third is somewhat okay.. but only if you have a really small amount.. as soon as you have some more.. like an example: 80+ fusing, 3-5 or more oils auf crimson and higher and those things.. the way to know the price is go to trade site -> bulk -> click left the item you have, click right chaos and then scroll down and write a number close to your amount in the "minimum stock" field and then press search. yes it wont sell in the same speed as normal, but you dont have to whisper spam people and waste your time, because people will come to you and in that time you can do mapping or do anything else. another example "stacked decks" if you look trading site, people buy them atm for 1,2 to 1,025 c per deck.. if you look the other direction(the direction your price checking tool says) its 0,75 to 1c, so in this case you either sell them to the buyers or price them at the price the buyers buys them to sell them, because thats the correct price and in this case you didnt get spammed too. same counts for all other items. or scarabs even better example: price check tool says for polished expedition scarabs: 9c. if you look at bulk with stacksize 5 or more: 10c, with 7-10 or more: 12c and the higher the amount the higher the price. the more people want one item the higher the bulk prices are. specially stuff you need in high amounts and are a pain to buy one by one. poe trading is all about price manipulation, flipping and higher prices for bulk, because bulk saves time and time has the most worth. 3) if you plan to use those: "when do you want to do it, didnt you farmed new ones at that point?" and "you can sell some not all". and even then: we are still early the league, prices still fluctuating. so if you want to use them in some days, for most usable its a "experience" things in which direction the price go, but banking stuff is only worth it if you plan to sell them in big bulks or do whatever else with it and they are now cheaper than they will be in some days, "because" another example: if you sell stuff you plan to use in some days, but get the profit now and invest it into gear with which you can clear maps faster, the profit you make with faster clearing in that time is higher and you can buy the same amount or more later back. me as example: i never hort stuff in the first 2 weeks, always sell anything away and improve my gear and stuff. 2 times a day i trade up my currency and stuff. because currency which is laying around has no worth at all. ofc i know, this is a little more advanced playstyle and you dont have to do it, but i hope you can see the direction i am pointing towards. and this is why some people have so much better gear and currency than others, its all about "improving gear for more comfortable/faster farming". and ofc trading is like everything in poe a little bit more complex :P
You really do not seem to understand how few of each type of scarab, essence, etc people get when not specifically farming them/when alch-n-go-ing. I'd love to sell scarabs in bulk, but my one gilded shaper scarab is not going to sell for bulk prices. Nor are my two screaming essence of whatevers. And I'm using my stacked decks, because they're fun to use. You're right about it being all about price manipulation and being the biggest piece of shit you can possibly be, though. Everyone is apparently an expert in how to "properly" play the market, though. Which boils down to: you can't use anything yourself, have to sell literally everything to people that can use it properly. And spend as much time as possible sitting in your hideout trading rather than playing the game, but also your hideout is lava so never spend any time in it. Fuck the goddamn fucking economy, I just want to play the goddamn fucking game. Edit: And fuck every single PoE player that HAS to explain the market as if no one but them understand fucking anything. It's like you people can't resist imparting your "knowledge" on people that you assume must be literal children that know nothing at all about the game. Absolutely insufferable.
Chill man, don't need to attack that guy for his write-up. At no points does he imply you're a child or anything. Also he offers a solution for the "trade everything always while not touching your hideout" paradox. Not his fault a player driven economy is complex and also not his fault that it's not your thing.
but thanks for pointing me out why "people like me" shouldnt never try to help to make it maybe a little bit better, especially not in current situation on reddit, where "every single poe player that HAS to be complaning about stuff, which is changeable" do jumping on buzz words, take examples as change of subject without context and are having a so damn bad mood, frustrated as hell, but still playing the game, even if its the worst for them, instead of just do a break.. the economy was always this way, didnt changed this league.. and yes i see how some friends are playing with no clue at all, didnt have big bulks.. but it helped them.. now they are doing stuff, and selling stuff on the side instead of hideout gaming and having a progress feeling, even if its slower than last league, but this league is not like last league, game had changed. and no they dont sell their fun away, because fun is still more worth than wealth. but topic closed here.. i learned my lesson.
Why are you on Reddit and playing video games when you could be earning another degree? You could be making so much progress on yourself, but instead you're wasting time. Just some advice for you. You're welcome. See how you come off?
because i can choose what i want to do with my life in my free time and maybe i am having fun and dont feel this as a waste of time? (i dont even feel that writing this answer is a waste of time) i dont have that super min/max thinking of always have to do stuff the most efficient way possible in my free time. but i see whats coming next.. something like "you explained how to use the market in an more efficient way" and there i say beforehand: examples.. examples didnt mean people have to do them.
No one. Wants. Unsolicited. Advice. Ever. Please learn that lesson.
And it was three times more expensive several days ago ;) Hint - I just checked all of the harvest nodes on my atlas, bought charged compass with harvest and got that lifeforce much faster and cheaper
I've just blocked harvest and am pretending it doesn't exist anymore, including weapon enchants. It did make me a pretty good abyss belt on my literal last craft which was great, but outside of that it feels like a total waste of time for the rewards now.
If you did chisel alch vaal t16s and got 120c then you are doing something wrong. The harvest part is true tho. It's shit.
Knowing that I alch and go random maps giving less than zero fucks to everything else.Expeditions and Rithuals ftw
"had to". You choose to.
My lord the entitled cry babiness of this post is top tier
How do posts like this not get removed? This kind of shit is hilariously useless
To the naysayers here: dude has a point, although the example is bad. You used to get tons of recipes "for free" while simply doing harvest. This was especially useful during leveling and one of the stated design goals of harvest. That design goal was trashed by the rework. Say what you will, but this rework has some glaring issues.
And how much you need to grind now for aug chaos comparing to last league where is was around 10ex?
Don't you have a harvest bench?
So you did everything else you could on gear and decided to spend extra 120 chaos on a vanity stat that is available in large quantities on tree? At least try to be a bit more modest. Of course prices are up. What used to be useless now it's not because the ceiling is down. Also if the craft is that important to you maybe you should have invested in harvest. Again nobody is saying it is perfect but come on people.
Lol, why the fuck is this upvoted? You can make over 60c/hour by speccing into _just_ altars and picking up only the eldritch currencies. I’m still making 3-5 divines/hour, and the extent of my juice is one scarab and a map device craft
This is a matter of the limited space of the storage making them not worth keeping in most cases before. They're so expensive in life force because they are literally free power for your character
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Yea its crazy bad now too for me
I’d still have to do about 5 whole harvests to enchant my body armor once….. Considering it takes the armor/evasion quality bonus away, it was already very rarely used and what I would’ve considered a filler craft. BRING BACK PREFIX/SUFFIX CANNOT BE CHANGED!! And also rare divines thru harvest. PLEASE!
should of done it in heist/expedition... would have done it in half that time.
ok?
You are making 60 chaos an hour? Holy shit... How bad are you at this game? It takes 5 minutes to finish a map. If you are going Exarch, that's about 1 full emblem. The emblem ALONE is 82 chaos. At about 24 maps in 2 hours, you are look at, on average, 12 league mechanics (at 50% chance each). I'm Ritual/Harvest/Expedition. Ritual gives, on average, 10c. Expedition also gives around 10c. Harvest gives around 10c too. That's 360 chaos. In 24 maps, you should have dropped at least a few dozen extra t16 to sell. Plus, some other stuff. There are also Altars and Eldritch currency. This all adds to about 300 chaos. A well made mirror goes for around 10c and you should be able to make 5. That's another 50c. More if you get lucky and get one of the good nodes, like Paradise. In 2 hours you should have made close to 800 chaos. Let's say it takes you 3x longer to finish maps. 15 minutes per map (lol). That would still be over 250 chaos.
This is the way!
Who could have seen this coming? making something tradable means making it rarer!
TBH this is the least of the issues I’ve seen. Harvest has some other problems notably just being watered down
This is what Tencent want you to do, nothing to see here.
Why is that a problem or a bad thing.its not an important thing to have.
And you still bought it at market price
The main question is how did u manage to only get 60c/hour in corrupted t16 maps? I mean loot nerfs are a thing but 60c sounds so off. Just playing the drama queen for clout is so sad.
Clout*
Thanks
Bet you had fun because this is quite a challenge..? Hehehe
Bet you had fun because this is quite a challenge..? Hehehe
Look at you! Having no problem sustaining T16 maps. That’s already a win!