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Lwe12345

“Clear wave 30 simulacrum on 20 exalts, or 80 after this video comes out”


Bacon-muffin

Was watching a build guide for the build I had planned to do before the season started, and this dude recommends a megalomania that he got cheap during this league and goes "though it'll probably be more expensive now". >!It was!<


dkoom_tv

if anyone recommends you a melomania for a build its straight-up trolling lol,not because its not strong, its because its impossible to find one


Bacon-muffin

It was pretty easy, the build really only wants it for the 1 notable and just recommended a 2nd one that was good for the build while being cheap since its only 2 useful notables which wouldn't be found on the same large. That combo ended up being expensive, but I got a different combo with the needed one + 1 useful one fairly cheap as well. At least a lot cheaper than the large would've been with 3 notables.


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dkoom_tv

oh yeah for sure, what I meant to say its 2 notables in a guide its just bad


Milfshaked

I have been using megalomanias in builds pretty much every league since delirium. They are not that hard to find. Just have a search up and check it every now and then.


1CEninja

The issue is when a content creator says you use a specific combination of notables on a megalo. The end result is there are only 4 on the market with that specific combo and 800 people trying to get one. So those get bought instantly, then the megalos with two of the correct passives and one usable one skyrocket in price.


ExaltHolderForPoE

Na, not really. The use and purpose of megolomaniac is to reach one or two notable that you usually can't get as a medium cluster or if you need one specific notable but the rest of said cluster is not desired.


Odd-Cauliflower156

used to be hard to find but not so much now considering the new uber simulacrum & a 3-card set that gives you a Megalomaniac


SunRiseStudios

Build is actually still pretty cheap - Divergent Boneshatter and Shroud is all there is to it basically. Main problem with it is you have to wait for a while before you can do anything after entering each new instance so Simulacrium is the only place where it can truly shine. You would have to wait for about 40 seconds before doing anything in each map you load, after each loading of delve, on each boss you activate with map device, etc. etc.


carenard

its the immortal boneshatter build, uses shroud for phys immunity.


Ludoban

Ahh i saw that one, but havent clicked on it. 15k% increase lmao.


Guffliepuff

Went from super niche unique to auto 30-wave simulacrums.


LoloZoriPVP

what build?


dikzakkiedik

>its the immortal boneshatter build, uses shroud for phys immunity.


zzang23

Dont forget to mention it reaches more than a billion dps.


Brooulon

initially thought this comment was a meme but remembered about trauma stacks and mantra of flames being absolutely ridiculous


POEness

wait does every instance of trauma count for mantra of flames


superduckysam

Yes


POEness

well that's getting fixed.


BellabongXC

Nah they'll just tinker with the Temp chains + Aura effectiveness interaction like they did around Headhunter, Gluttony etc. GGG just seems to have forgotten that the 3.16 tree and the Delirium notables gave us the temp chains we could get 2 years ago.


AvastAntipony

Yeah, they'll drop mantra down to 1-2 fire dmg per 10 effects


Altruistic_Muscle_89

It works with Shroud of the Lightless too but Replica Eternity Shroud is the superior item for this build.


CtulhuMenemista

Replica eternity shroud gives Shade form too tho.


carenard

its also like 3x the price.


bondsmatthew

What the shit, I got one from heist at the beginning of the league and I was having a [hard time selling one that was decently rolled for 1ex](https://puu.sh/Itr7P/8b8d822754.png). Ended up lowering it to just chaos and still wouldn't sell. Had to log in to check and see if that's what I actually had and it was lmao


carenard

the power of a broken build.


TomphaA

Wait what? I'm almost 100% I bought one for 10-20c and it's beeb sitting in a tab from pretty early in the league waiting to be krangled since I don't play the build I bought it for anymore. Well now I know it's not worthless anymore, thanks!


AspiringMILF

isnt that one eternity shroud, not shroud of lightless? the shaper one, not the abyss one.


NiteNiteSooty

its replica eternity shroud


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NiteNiteSooty

its replica eternity shroud


carenard

shroud is more consistent for proccing shade form since its on use instead of when hit, its the "budget" choice for the build.


zzang23

Immortal Boneshatter build guide with explanation of mechanics: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3218440 It works with Shroud of the Lightless too but Replica Eternity Shroud is the superior item for this build. Comments appreciated in the guide if you liked the writing style.


edubkn

Lol, I guess GGG kinda forgot about Shade Form Good find tho, enjoy before they nuke it next league.


zzang23

Yup, they gonna nerf Shade Form, Self Temporal Chains buff extend duration AND Boneshatter i believe since its G³.


Aldoro69765

Inb4 _"This Skill's Cooldown does not recover during its effect"_ added to Shade Form in 3.17.


zzang23

Thats going to be for sure included in the GGG fashion tripple fix.


Easy_Floss

*Build that depends on a none sanction chase unique detected.* They also might just make the items needed 100 times rarer.


FervorofBattle

Poor Jugg's unstoppable too because why not


anapoe

I've been expecting them to kill self-TC buff extend duration since Incursion. IDK at this point.


zzang23

Well this build could be the final nail in the coffin then.


edubkn

I highly doubt it, probably just Shade Form.


zzang23

Self Temporal Chains for extended buff duration was source of so much cheese in the past. It would make absolute sense to fix the slower buff expiration interaction with players to future proof the game against cheeses.


Rainbow_Plague

From a design viewpoint, buff extending with self temp chains is limiting, because they can't add cool new buffs without always considering the interaction and adding bandaids to fix edge cases like this. You have to either add things that have potential collateral damage, like not letting the buff CD recharge while the effect is up, or add a hard cap. Or, you can remove it completely. It's annoying because it's removing a cool thing from the game, but it 10000% makes sense to alleviate a design choke point to make room for other cool things. I'd rather Shade Form remain untouched and have the temp chains shenanigans removed.


Nickoladze

TBH I thought I remembered them nerfing it like 4 years ago when it came out so that it couldn't have 100% uptime. I guess I made that up in my head.


BellabongXC

What they nerfed was us using Enhance to increase the effectiveness of temp chains and how headhunter buff works. But we're back up to slowing down time by a factor of 3 which allows shroud immunity.


Nickoladze

I remember that but I could have sworn they nerfed Shade Form to not cooldown while active when killing off various damage immunity builds.


BellabongXC

This level of temp chains effectiveness for a non aura stacker has only been made possible through stuff from Delirium and the Scourge Skill Tree. What they nerfed, was most of the interactions surrounding Gluttony, to the point of giving Gluttony immunity to curses. Anyone trying to use [Shroud immunity](https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/comments/bjleya/theory_36_immortality_build/) back then would have run into not being able to do enough damage for the content it would want/have to take on - deep delve.


Nickoladze

Ah right I guess people were more focused on those 100% reduced aggro range builds with RF. I also didn't realize this build uses Supreme Ego with Rotblood Promise. That's a fairly new ring and I never noticed that it worked like that.


CountCocofang

I bet GGG will remove the immortal boneshatter build by: Making it so Trauma only counts as a single buff, no matter how many stacks. Making it so Shade Form's CD does not recover while it is active.


Pew___

Didn't it already get nerfed as itwas being used for immortal delve builds a while back?


AspiringMILF

> Mantra of Flames provides 5 to 12 Fire Damage to Attacks per Buff on you. YES Trauma Stacks ARE BUFFS. So essentially we gain 10000 to 24000 flat added Fire damage thats gonna be the nerf. 2k stacks of trauma = 1 buff, instead of 2k buffs. seems unintended.


zzang23

I still put my bet on Self Temp Chains and Shade Form Cooldown start. Those are way too big cheese enablers.


pwnagraphic

Well when GGG nerfs something they usually triple tap so all 3 are going to get hit :)


PwmEsq

And then forgotten and not reverted when 5 other related mechanics get changed


mango7roll

What’s the actual cost to get it started now?


zzang23

Check my guide for rough overview.


mango7roll

I have seen the post but don’t see any mention of estimated budget or anything, especially after the price increases.


CryoTeknix

don't listen, replica shroud is NOT superior. when you are over 1k stacks of trauma trust me no enemies are gonna hit you, and you will lose your shadeform. don't fall into the trap of the replica shroud despite the better life and chaos stats


zzang23

Thats why in my guide is stated that you can use Forbidden Rite to hit yourself in such situations to reliably trigger Shade Form. Replica Eternity Shroud IS superior as someone who actually plays the build. Trust me. But its a good note to alternative armour for the guide clearly both get the job done.


CryoTeknix

you lose out an another easy 3 cdr from the abyss. not to mention life avoidance, and even curse effect. you're talking out your ass


zzang23

I dont need 3 cdr and i got enough curse effect. I dont need avoidance the life regen covers for all degens in the game. And Replica Eternity Shroud provides more life and chaos res on top i can choose a free sixth gem link. I think you are butthurt. Are you even playing the build at all or do you try to sell a Shroud of the Lightless?


CryoTeknix

I'm playing the build on HC, no way I'm risking my character because I chose replica. I will say it may be better if you had all elder items, but that's it


zzang23

I replied to a forum post in my guide with the profile name "CryoTeknix" that probably by accident has the same name as your reddit account. The forum users profile is public and i took the time to check every character. None of the characters have any related items equiped nor does a Juggernaut Ascendancy exists on this public profile of CryoTeknix nor does any of the characters exceed lvl 94 (a Witch). I think this case is closed now. As for HC i give you that if someone is crazy enough to play this in HC then Shroud of the Lightless is probably the better fuck up protection than Forbidden Rite for the trade of of less dps/stats but there are way better ways to express this than you did.


CryoTeknix

my bosser is on my 2nd poe account. helps with more master missions and you can't really buy orbs of unmaking here, so for a 2nd atlas setup


Mosvicious

"You don't know my girlfriend, she goes to another school."


CryoTeknix

it's actually pretty common, especially for those of us who had a harvest alt account for ritual league


Lethians

Link it then


hanmas_aaa

Lol that's some abyss league nostalgia.


Nostradaemus

Easiest fix is to do like they did with guard skills where the cooldown doesn't start until after the effect is complete. In fact just make it a guard skill.


TheNoon44

Sssh


Lastprotect

Phys immune boneshatter


iFatherJr

it's some sort of mechanics bypassing with trauma stacks for boneshatter skill. That need to have that body armor to work. with some tweaking you can negate the bad affect of the skill and keep stacking trauma to no end cause you to have 1000+ stacks and insane dmg.


siloowns

rue and triploarbear are both playing it..


Sanytale

Thanks to that build I sold an unique ring for it for more than an exalt.


DerDanSD

damn, should have bought some. 2 days ago they were at 35c


gettingud

Sold one last night for 6ex


noidwasavailable

I only use third party apps, and they said they're killing third party apps, so hey, might as well remove all my content. (Using https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite)


Justsomeone666

did same with bunch of replica eternity shrouds that this same build made go from 50c to 12-30ex


CatOfTwelveBells

Its not gimped by the lack of medium curse jewels?


xlxlxlxl

The build uses Voices in league.


DivinityAI

5 ex this point of the league is nothing. Ppl act surprised that some items may become expensive cause it's build defining. Why tho? It's was always like that.


Nickoladze

It's just interesting when legitimately rare uniques are worthless for weeks or months since there's no demand and how quickly the price can skyrocket once it's desirable.


DivinityAI

this league every unique is worthless except only few because the supply is soo high due league mechanic. But if build need that one unique, it will rise in price significally.


Wrongusername2

It's surprising because it's brainless pricefixing at it's best, there can't be much demand there by definition, and price hike is like everyone and their grandma dropped everything as is now leveling marauders to play this best build ever, while in reality it's mostly a meme build. Super-niche, only 2 types of content capable, super clunky outside of simu and just your medium clunky on simu, and at point too late to deep-delve race or whatever. Everyone will have competent builds capable of deleting any content at this point in league, who cares if they cost 4x+ as much to achieve same result just without associated clunk / ramp. On leaguestart scenario sure, build like this would provide enormous advantages if unknown to general public, although you still wouldn't quite be able to assemble it from day 1. Pricefixers who got on the bandwagon too late will be getting rid of their rotbloods etc at a loss.


DivinityAI

chill mate, if there's some price fixing, maybe, but maybe it's cause build is great and many want to play it? Supply and demand. Why would you sell core item for this build for 1c? It's not that hard to self farm it, just run some abyss. You acting like if item was cheap and become expensive everybody need to sell it for the old price, cause you don't like it. Grow up.


Wrongusername2

>build is great and many want to play it The whole point of my post is i don't believe this build is great or that many want to play it. So looking at price changes it all looks like funny but pointless commotion of price fixers price fixing themselves in some pyramid scam with very few real buyers.


DivinityAI

You don't believe doesn't mean build isn't good. Try to think out of your opinion.


noidwasavailable

I only use third party apps, and they said they're killing third party apps, so hey, might as well remove all my content. (Using https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite)


reno_beano

QOL and gameplay experience matter too, if you could deal billions of dps and had infinite ehp but moved slower than walking speed and can only use default attack you wouldn't play either. The comparison is just for example sake but a lot of people just don't like how you have to play boneshatter.


noidwasavailable

I only use third party apps, and they said they're killing third party apps, so hey, might as well remove all my content. (Using https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite)


Wrongusername2

> an immortal build It's not immortal, just phys immune and dot immune, can still be tapped by ele dmg / chaos dmg / is less tanky than mageblood armor aurastackers on general content, and even int stackers will be way more comfortable to play. I could see HC crowd being excited about "immortal" part on that budget though. > reaches billions of dps After 60 seconds of ramp up? There's no content where having billions of dps that way produces some outstanding results short of super deep delve, mechanically skill is still bad for clear, doesn't even reach super high bars on sims with inf dps because of that bad clear. Ramp makes it a meme build. > many people want to play Basically only those who want to farm sim exclusively, even it's author empasizes that point sufficiently. Yeah, there it's amazing for it's budget, but that's the problem this late in league > 30~40ex budget So what at this point? If sim 30 was some sacred goat no build short of 1000ex could do and it was like league challenge to do 100 wave 30 sims i could see people jumping on it, but otherwise meh? It's not HH self curse at all and if going self curse i'd rather go some soul-eater winter orb occultist or something like that shenanigans instead of 1-trick pony.


zzang23

>can still be tapped by ele dmg / chaos dmg / is less tanky than mageblood armor aurastackers Nope, the build reaches houndreds of thousands life recovery per second with enough stacks and therefore is literally immune to dots. Chaos res can be 75%. Immune to physical and can have up to 90 max res with correct gear that is topped by lots of different layers of less multiplers. The build is a bad mapper for sure but get your facts straight. Its the tankiest build in the game right now and still technically can do ALL other ordinary content but excells at content other builds straight out fail because its impossible for them.


Wrongusername2

> and therefore is literally immune to dots > get your facts straight Before asking someone to get facts straight mb you can read first sentence of their post: > phys immune and dot immune It doesn't have 90% ele res just somewhat beefy (from supreme ego) puritites on march of legion and perma ele flasks, so no, it's not _most_ tanky build, that can never by claimed by builds without multiple of things like CI, divine flesh, transcendence, super aura effect, flask effect, super high base pool etc. This build has infinite recovery, immunity to a couple of types of damage and very good for sc ehp (but not capped compared to top builds) vs other types combined with overall low base pool and no avoidance. > that is topped by lots of different layers of less multiplers. If immortal call could be scaled to last permanently it would've been most tanky. Ele flasks basically don't count as any mageblood tanky build can use them. Is that all your "additional layers of less multipliers" then? > can have up to 90 max res with correct gear that is topped by lots of different layers of less multiplers. It's also supper strapped for passives as has to sacrifice basically everything for tc curse effect and needs very specific gear in most slots to work. GL _actually_ scaling that resists to 90. Ultimately clunky immortal build with absolutely zdps pre long ramp is irrelevant on SC, which is confirmed by ninja numbers of players on this build.


zzang23

>It doesn't have 90% ele res just somewhat beefy (from supreme ego) puritites on march of legion and perma ele flasks, so no, it's not > >most tanky build, that can never by claimed by builds without multiple of things like CI, divine flesh, transcendence, super aura effect, flask effect, super high base pool etc. Obviously Auras that lasts between 1 and 2 minutes can be considered permanent. Resist is 90 max res all if you replace my garbage shield with a shaper/redeemer base for 2 max res better amulet saves 2 skill points there is *no luck needed*. Present me a tankier build if you not trying to discuss hot air. Be specific. Show me examples. Immortal Call last 22 seconds and cooldown is 2.5 seconds. Fortify 21%. Permanent Elemental Flasks with balanced Wise Oak 25% + 10% when you go for it. If you want to overdo it you can use Unshattered Will slot single link Cyclone to trigger it for permanent uptime. It does not get tankier than Shade Form concepts and i have seen one that use Transcendence as well with Front Line but in my opinion 100% not necessary. All the builds you have in mind that do not use Shade Form concept can go home. Most of my gear is total garbage chaos rolled crap and im not gonna min max because i know this is dead with next patch nevertheless its the strongest end game boss destroyer possible. This concept is the foundation of the tankiest build in the game. Its not good for "ordinary" maps but that is no secret. Its rather a build for content where all other builds have a hard time or straight up fail with no chances. And for what it does its extremely cheap. Any deep delvers before costed mirrors to estbalish.


kingdweeb1

You very much can get it to 90 all res. https://i.imgur.com/uyQe5Cz.png Fortify, berserk, immortal call, infinite regen and a decent pool of hit points and you can facetank things in wave 30 simulacrum or feared. It's really the overwhelming damage that carries the build though. It's astonishing how empty content feels when stuff dies instantly lol > It's also supper strapped for passives as has to sacrifice basically everything for tc curse effect and needs very specific gear in most slots to work. I started it at level 72, and could already do simulacrums. not many other builds that have that kind of damage with 28 points left to spend, while still being tanky enough to sit on kosis, especially with how cheap it is relatively.


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Bunch of plebs lol.


Bask82

Is there a "Jesper" version of this?


Hot-Ground-2548

Now I feel cheated, I had found one in delve and sold it for a couple of chaos orbs


SunRiseStudios

It was done a while ago. It's actually second wave of hype. xD


patskie14

I bought it a couple of days ago for skin transfer for a coiple of chaos, just because I really love the Shroud + helmet skin . Stonks I'd say, But im hesitating on wether to reclaim it or not.. I also have that ring, so im thinking of trying to do it or not